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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #2325 on: April 01, 2022, 12:02:29 PM »

Will any of the existing business routes be converted into Interstate 69 Business Routes? Especially if the US Highways the existing and future Interstate 69s parallel are truncated?
Either that or maybe new state “Loop” routes are designated or brought back. (i.e., Loop 525 in El Campo, Loop 183 in Wharton and Hungerford)

That has always fascinated me.  How Texas decides when to use a business route and when to use a loop designation to serve the same purpose.  There is zero constancy.
I think it has to be a certain long enough length. The Victoria El Campo and Wharton routes are long enough I believe. If anything, why was Loop 175 the designation for the southern Victoria loop?

I don't think that's it.  Why is SH-5 a state highway and not Business US 75?  It is the old alignment.  Same note, why is SH-75 not BL-45?

Closer to subject, why is the old alignment of US-290 through Ozona Loop-466, where further down I-10, the old alignment for US-290 is BL-10 through Ft. Stockton?
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #2326 on: April 01, 2022, 12:18:49 PM »

Interesting to note along those lines:

Quote from: Texas Department of Transportation — Transportation Planning and Programming Division
BUSINESS INTERSTATE HIGHWAY NO. 10-G

Minute Order 100223, dated 01/21/1991; DesLtr 01-1992, dated 01/30/1992

From IH 10 west of Fort Stockton, eastward to IH 10 east of Fort Stockton, a distance of approximately 4.4 miles.  (Pecos County)  New designation; this mileage transferred from US 290.

Quote from: Texas Department of Transportation — Transportation Planning and Programming Division
STATE HIGHWAY LOOP NO. 466

Minute Order 060985, dated 06/12/1968; Adm. Cir. 051-1968, dated 06/15/1968

Ozona Loop - From IH 10 west of Ozona, eastward along old location of US 290 to IH 10, east of Ozona. (Crockett County)  New designation; to be marked US 290 business route; effective when IH 10 is open to through traffic.

Quote from: Texas Department of Transportation — Transportation Planning and Programming Division
STATE HIGHWAY LOOP NO. 467

Minute Order 061007, dated 06/12/1968; Adm. Cir. 051-1968, dated 06/15/1968

Sonora Loop - From IH 10 west of Sonora, eastward along old location US 290 to IH 10 east of Sonora. (Sutton County)  New designation; to be marked US 290 business route; effective when IH 10 is open to through traffic.

Were the routes through Ozona and Sonora already old alignments when Loops 466 and 467 were designated?  The minute order for the Fort Stockton I-10-BL states that it was transferred directly from US-290 in 1991, which is when US-290 was truncated.  In contrast, the minute orders for the Ozona and Sonora loops both include the phrase "old location of US 290".
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #2327 on: May 04, 2022, 01:41:55 AM »

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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #2328 on: May 05, 2022, 06:40:51 PM »

The Corrigan Bypass is about to be let on Thursday: https://www.dot.state.tx.us/insdtdot/orgchart/cmd/cserve/btc/btcp_2.htm#017604056

http://www.dot.state.tx.us/insdtdot/orgchart/cmd/cserve/bidtab/05053201.htm

Bid is 15% above estimate. I expect the low bid to be approved and proceed to construction. The project length on IH 69 is 6.4 miles (not 10.86 miles)

County:   POLK   Let Date:   05/05/22
Type:   HIGHWAY IMPROVEMENT   Seq No:   3201
Time:   902 WORKING DAYS   Project ID:   NH 2013(222)
Highway:   US 59   Contract #:   05223201
Length:   10.860   CCSJ:   0176-04-056
Limits:   
From:   3.4 MI N OF US 287   Check:   $100,000
To:   US 287   Misc Cost:   
Estimate   $150,506,214.09   % Over/Under   Company
Bidder 1   $172,799,108.00   +14.81%   JAMES CONSTRUCTION GROUP, LLC
Bidder 2   $182,816,096.99   +21.47%   SACYR CONSTRUCTION USA LLC
Bidder 3   $187,266,075.72   +24.42%   WEBBER, LLC
Bidder 4   $197,961,185.45   +31.53%   WILLIAMS BROTHERS CONSTRUCTION CO., INC.
Bidder 5   $215,777,432.19   +43.37%   JOHNSON BROS. CORPORATION, A SOUTHLAND COMPANY

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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #2329 on: May 11, 2022, 12:53:38 PM »

The Corrigan Bypass is about to be let on Thursday: https://www.dot.state.tx.us/insdtdot/orgchart/cmd/cserve/btc/btcp_2.htm#017604056

http://www.dot.state.tx.us/insdtdot/orgchart/cmd/cserve/bidtab/05053201.htm

Bid is 15% above estimate. I expect the low bid to be approved and proceed to construction. The project length on IH 69 is 6.4 miles (not 10.86 miles)

County:   POLK   Let Date:   05/05/22
Type:   HIGHWAY IMPROVEMENT   Seq No:   3201
Time:   902 WORKING DAYS   Project ID:   NH 2013(222)
Highway:   US 59   Contract #:   05223201
Length:   10.860   CCSJ:   0176-04-056
Limits:   
From:   3.4 MI N OF US 287   Check:   $100,000
To:   US 287   Misc Cost:   
Estimate   $150,506,214.09   % Over/Under   Company
Bidder 1   $172,799,108.00   +14.81%   JAMES CONSTRUCTION GROUP, LLC
Bidder 2   $182,816,096.99   +21.47%   SACYR CONSTRUCTION USA LLC
Bidder 3   $187,266,075.72   +24.42%   WEBBER, LLC
Bidder 4   $197,961,185.45   +31.53%   WILLIAMS BROTHERS CONSTRUCTION CO., INC.
Bidder 5   $215,777,432.19   +43.37%   JOHNSON BROS. CORPORATION, A SOUTHLAND COMPANY

Not surprising that bids are coming in significantly above the Engineer's estimate with rampant inflation, not to mention fuel costs. So from 3.4 mi N of US-287 to US-287 would only cover the northern half of the Corrigan Bypass. So what about the southern half?
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #2330 on: May 11, 2022, 01:13:07 PM »

Not surprising that bids are coming in significantly above the Engineer's estimate with rampant inflation, not to mention fuel costs. So from 3.4 mi N of US-287 to US-287 would only cover the northern half of the Corrigan Bypass. So what about the southern half?

It is not clear from the bid tabulation at the link MaxConcrete posted, but the project does include the entire Corrigan Bypass, as is evident from the construction plans.  The limits correspond to CSJ 0176-04-056, which is the one of several CSJs in the project that has been chosen as the contract CSJ (CCSJ).  The project also includes CSJ 0176-05-104 (highway improvement, covering the rest of the bypass from US 287 south to mainline US 59) and CSJ 0176-04-074 (right-of-way acquisition).  The entry in TxDOT's letting list has the breakdown.

Edit:  The project map on the title sheet of the plans set shows how the CSJs fit in the overall project:

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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #2331 on: May 13, 2022, 06:49:54 PM »

More signage from I-69E from Yturria: https://goo.gl/maps/WL5EixusTfDh7eWX6
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #2332 on: May 13, 2022, 07:56:11 PM »

Once a contractor's bid is chosen how long will it be for construction to get started on the Corrigan bypass?

Corrigan is about 14 miles South of Diboll. What's the latest with the Diboll bypass? According to some online news articles the process to clear the ROW has been underway for some time. Completion was in the 2024-25 time frame (depending on the news article). Other work is in progress a little farther up the road in Lufkin. Upgrading the East half of Loop-287 to Interstate standards seems to be taking place in chunks. The area of US-59 between the Diboll bypass and Loop 287 in Lufkin could be a bit challenging.

It seems frustrating just how long it has been taking for US-59 to be upgraded on the North side of the Houston metro. The stretch of I-69 between the Grand Parkway and Cleveland still isn't finished.
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #2333 on: May 13, 2022, 08:39:36 PM »



Corrigan is about 14 miles South of Diboll. What's the latest with the Diboll bypass? According to some online news articles the process to clear the ROW has been underway for some time. Completion was in the 2024-25 time frame (depending on the news article).

There is bridge building going on at the south intersection. So I understand most, if not all, of the clearing is done (the clearing is also evident at the north portal.) I can see it open easily by the 2024-25 timetable.
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #2334 on: May 13, 2022, 10:18:22 PM »

Once a contractor's bid is chosen how long will it be for construction to get started on the Corrigan bypass?

Corrigan is about 14 miles South of Diboll. What's the latest with the Diboll bypass? According to some online news articles the process to clear the ROW has been underway for some time. Completion was in the 2024-25 time frame (depending on the news article). Other work is in progress a little farther up the road in Lufkin. Upgrading the East half of Loop-287 to Interstate standards seems to be taking place in chunks. The area of US-59 between the Diboll bypass and Loop 287 in Lufkin could be a bit challenging.

It seems frustrating just how long it has been taking for US-59 to be upgraded on the North side of the Houston metro. The stretch of I-69 between the Grand Parkway and Cleveland still isn't finished.
First, the contractor has to sign a contract. Then, it has 90 days to start construction. The signing can take anywhere from a week to a year. The bid for US 59 Frontage road project between US 87 and SH 185 in Victoria was chosen in September and work didn’t start until April.
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #2335 on: May 14, 2022, 08:09:56 AM »

New Street view of the (nearly completed at the time) El Campo overpass, the placing of these new street views is inconsistent tho

https://www.google.com/maps/@29.2059948,-96.242757,3a,75y,202.72h,88.26t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sogXxl83_KUukPzjJPKYGIA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?authuser=1
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.2023061,-96.2445079,3a,75y,222.99h,89.65t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sLR3owE_xUaPvYMKRVPXnRQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?authuser=1
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.1998027,-96.2452621,3a,75y,166.87h,84.09t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBpX_cXlvGTeKnq0rk5lZTQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?authuser=1
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.1981344,-96.2453264,3a,75y,171.46h,83.45t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sWXuy0tcaXqLXwMdc5gWocw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?authuser=1
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.1890518,-96.2463833,3a,75y,223.32h,81.45t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sxKF4Opja7FhxkJy2RLI8uQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?authuser=1
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.1882339,-96.2469216,3a,75y,213.01h,89.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sERJebGQL3pDYrNBuhTdT_A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?authuser=1
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.1867888,-96.2483109,3a,75y,156.83h,86.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXv7-WG9Qd9em3C0vRLliLg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?authuser=1
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.184779,-96.2502242,3a,75y,41.39h,91.73t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1suobypMDoGyKh9nMAE3MeYA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?authuser=1
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.177871,-96.2602868,3a,75y,70.78h,91.2t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssZTSBRNhL_jJbVKPJSDQEw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?authuser=1
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.176636,-96.2653096,3a,15y,70.88h,89.62t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sJ2_fMgrdIsvL8wMGaXZE1Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?authuser=1 (just new tar, with some overpass changes)
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #2336 on: May 17, 2022, 12:07:15 AM »

That’s the only new overpass they will build surprisingly enough. Although the other rusty old ones (from 1976? Someone confirm) will remain a pet peeve, at least the El Campo bypass is now practically a freeway.
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #2337 on: May 17, 2022, 01:35:56 PM »

How far along is the I-69 upgrade southwest of Houston? Some July 2021 imagery in Google Earth shows the freeway in use on the main lanes between Rosenberg and Kendleton. I haven't read much about these segments opening to traffic.

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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #2338 on: May 17, 2022, 01:47:11 PM »

How far along is the I-69 upgrade southwest of Houston? Some July 2021 imagery in Google Earth shows the freeway in use on the main lanes between Rosenberg and Kendleton. I haven't read much about these segments opening to traffic.
A new NB bridge is being built across the Wharton/Fort Bend county line. Additional lanes are still being constructed south of Rosenberg. NB Traffic in Hungerford has been shifted to the frontage road via the future exit ramp for Ponderosa Rd or FM 1161. NB traffic exiting to FM 2919 slights onto the unfinished future NB bridge.
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #2339 on: May 17, 2022, 02:15:29 PM »

In other news: The I-69W exit to I-35 South in Laredo is now exit 2B.
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