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Started by Molandfreak, September 18, 2014, 04:43:15 PM

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roadfro

Quote from: doorknob60 on October 02, 2014, 06:51:51 PM
I know I've run across STOPs at roundabouts in Portland, OR before. I don't think this is the same one I ran across, but here's one I was able to find on street view:
https://www.google.com/maps/@45.5080671,-122.6488643,3a,75y,319.09h,73.63t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1siL4tjVgXph3SrwAYAWEYBQ!2e0

That one's a bit of an unconventional roundabout, but Bend has something almost the same, except with the proper yield signs:
https://www.google.com/maps/@44.0588815,-121.3524115,3a,75y,112.4h,82.57t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1spvTYHqE0a_NTk8KvhNeaZQ!2e0.
Even the minor streets in this one have yields: https://www.google.com/maps/@44.057913,-121.3510988,3a,75y,7.59h,75.47t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sHFyqHztduAmrgb-iojaZHA!2e0

Neither of those examples are roundabouts, but rather they are traffic circles. The big parks in the middle of the circle is the biggest giveaway, and the fact that not all entry points are deflected.

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It makes me wonder if the City of Portland has any properly signed roundabouts. I can't think of any off the top of my head.
EDIT: I think this counts: https://www.google.com/maps/@45.5779273,-122.5599738,3a,75y,126.77h,73.72t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1shp652eJLXzKstrU6PGGSwg!2e0
I'm pretty sure that's a city street, and not private (though it's close enough to the airport to make me question it)

That's the only "traditional" roundabout of your examples. It's mostly correctly signed from the traffic control standpoint (not counting the blue guide signs), except that they use a single yellow chevron under one way arrows, where now the MUTCD has a black on white roundabout chevron sign design for this purpose.
Roadfro - AARoads Pacific Southwest moderator since 2010, Nevada roadgeek since 1983.


busman_49

Quote from: busman_49 on September 24, 2014, 01:16:45 PM
It made sense years ago before new 30 cut off Kansas Road off to the right of the photo:
http://goo.gl/maps/ssdXt
(on-coming traffic is basically a driveway; give THEM the stop sign)

On my recent trip back up that way, I found that the stop sign has been replaed with a yield sign.

Thing 342



vdeane

Quote from: Thing 342 on December 02, 2014, 06:27:42 PM
2 lanes of traffic have to stop for a shopping center driveway (cross traffic does not stop): https://www.google.com/maps/@37.1102031,-76.4960908,3a,75y,285.44h,78.13t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1se3syIEEfXXtOwkui1wHfOw!2e0



Typical mall/plaza.  They always favor entering shoppers vs. leaving ones.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position of NYSDOT or its affiliates.

jeffandnicole

Quote from: Thing 342 on December 02, 2014, 06:27:42 PM
2 lanes of traffic have to stop for a shopping center driveway (cross traffic does not stop): https://www.google.com/maps/@37.1102031,-76.4960908,3a,75y,285.44h,78.13t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1se3syIEEfXXtOwkui1wHfOw!2e0


From the aerial view you can see why: There's very little storage room for that traffic that needs to turn left into the shopping plaza.  Better to make people wait on that thru street leaving the plaza area rather than potentially bottlenecking traffic back into the main intersection.

renegade

Quote from: wisvishr0 on September 28, 2014, 09:06:23 AM
Quote from: Brandon on September 26, 2014, 01:50:47 PM
Roundabouts and stop signs like drinking and driving, don't mix.

Oh gosh, and they had to put an "ALL-WAY" sign below it, which is NOT how a roundabout works...

Yeah, they've got one just like that in downtown Lansing, Michigan, a couple blocks east to the state Capital building.  I think the STOP signs are there to protect pedestrians.
Don’t ask me how I know.  Just understand that I do.

mjb2002

Denmark, S.C., at the intersections of LEE ST and TRADE ST. I first saw this sign in September 2010, when I had late classes at Denmark Technical College, which is roughly 200 yards from where this is located. Still there the last time I went through about nine months ago.  SCDOT is usually really good at ridding these nonsensical STOP signs, but they dropped the ball here.

https://goo.gl/maps/wz1Vj

maplestar

Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 03, 2014, 01:11:53 PM
Quote from: Thing 342 on December 02, 2014, 06:27:42 PM
2 lanes of traffic have to stop for a shopping center driveway (cross traffic does not stop): https://www.google.com/maps/@37.1102031,-76.4960908,3a,75y,285.44h,78.13t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1se3syIEEfXXtOwkui1wHfOw!2e0


From the aerial view you can see why: There's very little storage room for that traffic that needs to turn left into the shopping plaza.  Better to make people wait on that thru street leaving the plaza area rather than potentially bottlenecking traffic back into the main intersection.

Agreed. All the traffic patterns in that area are very unusual. It's a bit far from us, but we're beginning to have been there often enough to have figured out how to get from Point A to Point B around there, without left turns onto and off of Jefferson to get from a restaurant we like to the Barnes & Noble.

SignGeek101

Found a poorly placed stop sign. It would make more sense if the road was extended.

http://goo.gl/maps/TmvhT

PHLBOS

Quote from: SignGeek101 on February 15, 2015, 11:33:00 PM
Found a poorly placed stop sign. It would make more sense if the road was extended.

http://goo.gl/maps/TmvhT
To be fair, one has to wonder if it was erected due to the sharp angle of the right turn.

Similar was done here.
GPS does NOT equal GOD

UCFKnights

Quote from: PHLBOS on February 16, 2015, 12:33:44 PM
Quote from: SignGeek101 on February 15, 2015, 11:33:00 PM
Found a poorly placed stop sign. It would make more sense if the road was extended.

http://goo.gl/maps/TmvhT
To be fair, one has to wonder if it was erected due to the sharp angle of the right turn.

Similar was done here.
That still wouldn't be a reason for a stop sign. They should use a sharp right turn sign with an advisory speed limit instead. That turn also doesn't look that sharp, surely not sharp enough to require one to come to a stop.

PHLBOS

Quote from: UCFKnights on February 17, 2015, 06:17:10 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on February 16, 2015, 12:33:44 PM
Quote from: SignGeek101 on February 15, 2015, 11:33:00 PM
Found a poorly placed stop sign. It would make more sense if the road was extended.

http://goo.gl/maps/TmvhT
To be fair, one has to wonder if it was erected due to the sharp angle of the right turn.

Similar was done here.
That still wouldn't be a reason for a stop sign. They should use a sharp right turn sign with an advisory speed limit instead. That turn also doesn't look that sharp, surely not sharp enough to require one to come to a stop.
The Island Ave./Enterprise Ave. example I posted gets a sizable chunk of truck traffic (mainly UPS trucks).  The STOP signs weren't there originally but were erected due to accidents involving trucks taking the turn too fast.  Mind you, I don't agree with the city's response; but I'm just giving you the reasoning for such.
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pumpkineater2

https://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&ll=33.522694,-112.402919&spn=0.005913,0.008256&t=h&z=18&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=33.522694,-112.402919&panoid=HBK3Xf-uEuQY2nK_jLE0Ww&cbp=12,92.57,,0,5.44

The only conflict that I can see is with the dirt side road to the left, but the only logical place that I can think of for that stop sign would be on said side road. :confused:
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freebrickproductions

Quote from: pumpkineater2 on March 24, 2015, 10:52:31 PM
https://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&ll=33.522694,-112.402919&spn=0.005913,0.008256&t=h&z=18&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=33.522694,-112.402919&panoid=HBK3Xf-uEuQY2nK_jLE0Ww&cbp=12,92.57,,0,5.44

The only conflict that I can see is with the dirt side road to the left, but the only logical place that I can think of for that stop sign would be on said side road. :confused:
Looks like there may have been a road here:
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.522694,-112.402919,21z
They might've never bothered to remove the sign after the road was removed. The street changing names supports this theory too.

Here's one in Selma, AL that doesn't make any sense (yes, the traffic lights do cycle!):
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.4136789,-87.0054066,20z/data=!3m1!1e3?authuser=0&hl=en
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.4136789,-87.0054066,20z/data=!3m1!1e3?authuser=0&hl=en
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Pete from Boston

Since an octagon always means "stop," this item from a misguided sign vendor makes no sense (and is actually dangerous from the standpoint that oncoming traffic will always assume the octagon means you have a stop sign):




jeffandnicole

Quote from: freebrickproductions on April 22, 2015, 02:05:32 PM

Here's one in Selma, AL that doesn't make any sense (yes, the traffic lights do cycle!):

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.4136789,-87.0054066,20z/data=!3m1!1e3?authuser=0&hl=en

What's the AADT here?  75?

Can't recall seeing a traffic light on roads where there aren't really any center lines to speak of!

Big John

Quote from: jeffandnicole on April 22, 2015, 02:54:58 PM
Quote from: freebrickproductions on April 22, 2015, 02:05:32 PM

Here's one in Selma, AL that doesn't make any sense (yes, the traffic lights do cycle!):

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.4136789,-87.0054066,20z/data=!3m1!1e3?authuser=0&hl=en

What's the AADT here?  75?

Can't recall seeing a traffic light on roads where there aren't really any center lines to speak of!
And a Dead End sign erroneously at the end of the "T": https://www.google.com/maps/@32.413467,-87.005586,3a,75y,85.71h,70.44t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sRl33LBfo3VtMzAy9sUAMwQ!2e0?hl=en

mrsman

The stop sign makes more sense than the traffic light.  Why waste the money on the electricity there?

bigboi00069

Quote from: PHLBOS on February 16, 2015, 12:33:44 PM
Quote from: SignGeek101 on February 15, 2015, 11:33:00 PM
Found a poorly placed stop sign. It would make more sense if the road was extended.

http://goo.gl/maps/TmvhT
To be fair, one has to wonder if it was erected due to the sharp angle of the right turn.

Similar was done here.

Here is one in Miami, FL that is a sharp turn that seemingly has no need for a stop sign.
https://www.google.com/maps/@25.968635,-80.155609,3a,75y,270.62h,77.16t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1soPSNuhpNSwhU01bFfsUAwA!2e0

SSOWorld

At a T intersection in my town, the stop sign is not a the road ending a the T, but on the through road - both directions.  (NOTE TO SELF: don't buy a house in that area - oh shit, too late :( )
Scott O.

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freebrickproductions

Quote from: SSOWorld on April 27, 2015, 08:53:25 AM
At a T intersection in my town, the stop sign is not a the road ending a the T, but on the through road - both directions.  (NOTE TO SELF: don't buy a house in that area - oh shit, too late :( )
That reminds me of this intersection here in Huntsville:
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.658343,-86.52274,3a,66.8y,4.29h,87.8t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s6tPkqkmKwv1Wva_Ws6IEXQ!2e0?authuser=1&hl=en
Though I think it might have something to do with how steep the hill on the road that ends at the intersection is.
It's all fun & games until someone summons Cthulhu and brings about the end of the world.

I also collect traffic lights, road signs, fans, and railroad crossing equipment.

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freebrickproductions

It's all fun & games until someone summons Cthulhu and brings about the end of the world.

I also collect traffic lights, road signs, fans, and railroad crossing equipment.

(They/Them)

wphiii

Quote from: freebrickproductions on April 30, 2015, 12:54:42 PM
Here's a confusing one:
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.390222,-86.909595,3a,66.8y,90.17h,82.17t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sutBmO6lg8yw1jHdF-2qLmg!2e0?authuser=1&hl=en

Making sure drivers are going to be doubly cautious approaching the train tracks?

Anyway, I really have it out for this one, largely because it's so counter to my expectancy that I legitimately forget it's there and accidentally run it like every other time. The street is one-way down and so lightly trafficked, there's really no reason that just the stop sign from the side street wouldn't be plenty sufficient.

PHLBOS

Quote from: wphiii on April 30, 2015, 01:04:38 PMAnyway, I really have it out for this one, largely because it's so counter to my expectancy that I legitimately forget it's there and accidentally run it like every other time. The street is one-way down and so lightly trafficked, there's really no reason that just the stop sign from the side street wouldn't be plenty sufficient.
So it isn't just southeastern PA that irrationally erects STOP signs on local roads for speed control purposes; it happens at the other end of the state as well.
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