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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #50 on: April 22, 2018, 09:03:52 AM »

Please tell me that they'll switch to I-840 exit numbers once the loop is completed so I-73 won't exit itself.  :no:  If not, this belongs in Redesign this!

Here's one of the photos taken by Strider at the start I-840 East at Bryan Blvd:
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #51 on: April 22, 2018, 11:01:46 AM »

Unfortunately, no. That is the plan... However, when approaching I-840/Bryan interchange going south on I-73, both exits for Bryan Blvd East and I-840 East are left exits.

I-73 also exits itself at the I-85/I-73/US 220 interchange south of Greensboro, however.
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #52 on: April 22, 2018, 04:12:38 PM »

I-73 still has a long way to go before it dethrones I-80 as the Interstate system's reigning TOTSO king!
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #53 on: April 23, 2018, 09:46:42 AM »

Love the pavement markings.  DIY lanes.

With all the state's various Interstate (and otherwise) projects, maybe they didn't have enough $$ left to sand down the old lane markings!  Looks a bit like a railroad diverging point!
LOL...true. Then again, this is a remnant from the days when I-840 ended at Bryan Boulevard.
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #54 on: April 23, 2018, 06:34:19 PM »

Love the pavement markings.  DIY lanes.

With all the state's various Interstate (and otherwise) projects, maybe they didn't have enough $$ left to sand down the old lane markings!  Looks a bit like a railroad diverging point!
LOL...true. Then again, this is a remnant from the days when I-840 ended at Bryan Boulevard.
Well, it's still a mistake, and it should be corrected.
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #55 on: April 23, 2018, 07:49:31 PM »

There are also sign plans in the Part 2 document for I-40 since it appears NCDOT has decided to remove the Business 85 designation from that route and US 29-70 heading south back to I-85.

Any idea when that's happening? I finally clinched this route Friday (was missing the part east of US 29/70/220) and it doesn't look like there have been any changes yet.
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #56 on: April 23, 2018, 09:47:30 PM »

They're just gonna keep redesignating the Greensboro area expressways until the end of time, aren't they? :P
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #57 on: April 24, 2018, 11:54:55 AM »

There are also sign plans in the Part 2 document for I-40 since it appears NCDOT has decided to remove the Business 85 designation from that route and US 29-70 heading south back to I-85.

Any idea when that's happening? I finally clinched this route Friday (was missing the part east of US 29/70/220) and it doesn't look like there have been any changes yet.
Probably not until work is completed on the last Loop segment in 2022.  Business 85 has a few more years of life to it.

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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #58 on: April 24, 2018, 12:28:22 PM »

They're just gonna keep redesignating the Greensboro area expressways until the end of time, aren't they? :P

If it were up to me, I would’ve kept I-85 on it’s former alignment through Greensboro and signed the entire loop as I-840 (I-73 & I-785 overlaps notwithstanding). At least the loop would then have one consistent interstate number.
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #59 on: April 24, 2018, 06:07:56 PM »

They're just gonna keep redesignating the Greensboro area expressways until the end of time, aren't they? :P

If it were up to me, I would’ve kept I-85 on it’s former alignment through Greensboro and signed the entire loop as I-840 (I-73 & I-785 overlaps notwithstanding). At least the loop would then have one consistent interstate number.
I support the current arrangement because it tends to deflect the I-85 through traffic away from the Death Valley stretch of I-40.
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #60 on: April 24, 2018, 08:11:19 PM »

As I recall, that was the primary rationale for building that segment of the Greensboro Loop as an I-85 relocation.
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #61 on: May 01, 2018, 12:35:58 PM »

Death Valley is only about 2.5 miles long, and once the northern loop is complete, Greensboro will have so many fantastic freeway bypass options, none of which are currently choked with traffic (even at rush hour!) that it's almost ridiculous. They should just hurry up, close it, and reconstruct all in one fell swoop, before traffic gets worse.. Should take a year and a half at most. Current plans have this project starting in 2022. Hopefully traffic won't be too much worse by then.
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #62 on: May 01, 2018, 01:36:08 PM »

Death Valley is only about 2.5 miles long, and once the northern loop is complete, Greensboro will have so many fantastic freeway bypass options, none of which are currently choked with traffic (even at rush hour!) that it's almost ridiculous. They should just hurry up, close it, and reconstruct all in one fell swoop, before traffic gets worse.. Should take a year and a half at most. Current plans have this project starting in 2022. Hopefully traffic won't be too much worse by then.



Also, they plan on rebuild the 2.5 miles of Death Valley section of I-40 in the later years (replacing all bridges and widen the road), starting with the bridge replacement over Buffalo Creek in 2019.
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #63 on: May 25, 2018, 11:32:03 AM »

NCDOT press release has link to video of groundbreaking for last section of Greensboro Loop:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=15247

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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #64 on: July 30, 2018, 08:55:12 PM »

Has the bridge and loop ramp from the WB loop (NB I-785) to SB US 29 opened yet?
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #65 on: August 01, 2018, 04:24:01 PM »

Has the bridge and loop ramp from the WB loop (NB I-785) to SB US 29 opened yet?
That part of the project isn't officially to be completed until December, but its possible it could open before that time.

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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #66 on: August 14, 2018, 05:45:08 PM »

What's the lane configuration at the I-73/I-840/Bryan Blvd interchange now? Particularly I-73 SB and its TOTSO off-ramp (Is it three lanes splitting with 2 going to 840 east and 2 to 73 south?), and I-73 NB/840 EB (Are there now four through lanes continuing through the Friendly Avenue interchange?)
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #67 on: August 14, 2018, 06:58:58 PM »

As for I-73/I-840 going northbound towards Bryan interchange, I-840 uses left 3 lanes, while I-73 North uses right 2 lanes (one on the far right is an exit only lane while the other is just optional for continuing on I-840 or exit off for I-73/Bryan), for I-73 going north, 2 lanes are for I-73 North, one lane for Bryan Blvd eastbound on a separate ramp.

Going the opposite way, I-73 South is 3 lanes, approaching I-840/Bryan interchange. I-73 uses 2 right lanes, (the middle one is an optional for both Bryan Blvd East or turn to continue on I-73 South). The left lane of I-73 is an exit only for Bryan Blvd. Now, onto the I-73 south ramp towards I-840 West, both lanes are for I-83/I-840 Southbound, while I-840 east is a left exit... a separate ramp. (both exits from I-73 South for Bryan and I-840 East are left exits)

At the Friendly Ave interchange, I-73/I-840 going northbound is now 4 lanes.
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #68 on: August 14, 2018, 07:04:44 PM »

As for I-73/I-840 going northbound towards Bryan interchange, I-840 uses left 3 lanes, while I-73 North uses right 2 lanes (one on the far right is an exit only lane while the other is just optional for continuing on I-840 or exit off for I-73/Bryan), for I-73 going north, 2 lanes are for I-73 North, one lane for Bryan Blvd eastbound on a separate ramp.

Going the opposite way, I-73 South is 3 lanes, approaching I-840/Bryan interchange. I-73 uses 2 right lanes, (the middle one is an optional for both Bryan Blvd East or turn to continue on I-73 South). The left lane of I-73 is an exit only for Bryan Blvd. Now, onto the I-73 south ramp towards I-840 West, both lanes are for I-83/I-840 Southbound, while I-840 east is a left exit... a separate ramp. (both exits from I-73 South for Bryan and I-840 East are left exits)

At the Friendly Ave interchange, I-73/I-840 going northbound is now 4 lanes.

Thanks for the response! Does the left exit ramp from I-73 SB to I-840 EB start out as a single lane now? Is any of that ramp striped for two lanes in the final configuration?

Also, what are the exit numbers and letters? I presume I-73 exits itself southbound like it does northbound.
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #69 on: August 14, 2018, 09:42:11 PM »

As for I-73/I-840 going northbound towards Bryan interchange, I-840 uses left 3 lanes, while I-73 North uses right 2 lanes (one on the far right is an exit only lane while the other is just optional for continuing on I-840 or exit off for I-73/Bryan), for I-73 going north, 2 lanes are for I-73 North, one lane for Bryan Blvd eastbound on a separate ramp.

Going the opposite way, I-73 South is 3 lanes, approaching I-840/Bryan interchange. I-73 uses 2 right lanes, (the middle one is an optional for both Bryan Blvd East or turn to continue on I-73 South). The left lane of I-73 is an exit only for Bryan Blvd. Now, onto the I-73 south ramp towards I-840 West, both lanes are for I-83/I-840 Southbound, while I-840 east is a left exit... a separate ramp. (both exits from I-73 South for Bryan and I-840 East are left exits)

At the Friendly Ave interchange, I-73/I-840 going northbound is now 4 lanes.

Thanks for the response! Does the left exit ramp from I-73 SB to I-840 EB start out as a single lane now? Is any of that ramp striped for two lanes in the final configuration?

Also, what are the exit numbers and letters? I presume I-73 exits itself southbound like it does northbound.


Yes, it is a single lane ramp for I-840 East, but the ramp is so wide you could make 2 lanes out of it (probably will happen in a distant future should traffic counts increase). Yes, while I-73 southbound does "exit itself", EXIT 107A is for Bryan Blvd (left exit when it is technically a straight exit). I-840 Eastbound is EXIT 107B (another left exit).
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #70 on: August 14, 2018, 10:29:06 PM »

As for I-73/I-840 going northbound towards Bryan interchange, I-840 uses left 3 lanes, while I-73 North uses right 2 lanes (one on the far right is an exit only lane while the other is just optional for continuing on I-840 or exit off for I-73/Bryan), for I-73 going north, 2 lanes are for I-73 North, one lane for Bryan Blvd eastbound on a separate ramp.

Going the opposite way, I-73 South is 3 lanes, approaching I-840/Bryan interchange. I-73 uses 2 right lanes, (the middle one is an optional for both Bryan Blvd East or turn to continue on I-73 South). The left lane of I-73 is an exit only for Bryan Blvd. Now, onto the I-73 south ramp towards I-840 West, both lanes are for I-83/I-840 Southbound, while I-840 east is a left exit... a separate ramp. (both exits from I-73 South for Bryan and I-840 East are left exits)

At the Friendly Ave interchange, I-73/I-840 going northbound is now 4 lanes.

Thanks for the response! Does the left exit ramp from I-73 SB to I-840 EB start out as a single lane now? Is any of that ramp striped for two lanes in the final configuration?

Also, what are the exit numbers and letters? I presume I-73 exits itself southbound like it does northbound.


Yes, it is a single lane ramp for I-840 East, but the ramp is so wide you could make 2 lanes out of it (probably will happen in a distant future should traffic counts increase). Yes, while I-73 southbound does "exit itself", EXIT 107A is for Bryan Blvd (left exit when it is technically a straight exit). I-840 Eastbound is EXIT 107B (another left exit).

Huh, weird. Looking at the original configuration in older satellite imagery, it's clear that the SB-EB flyover was intended originally to be two lanes, with the I-73 SB ramp being only one lane.

As for the exits, interesting that they chose to make Bryan Blvd the exit when they didn't do the same NB for EB I-840, instead making I-73 NB be Exit 107(presumably)A.
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Re: Greensboro Urban Loop
« Reply #71 on: August 14, 2018, 10:32:39 PM »

As for I-73/I-840 going northbound towards Bryan interchange, I-840 uses left 3 lanes, while I-73 North uses right 2 lanes (one on the far right is an exit only lane while the other is just optional for continuing on I-840 or exit off for I-73/Bryan), for I-73 going north, 2 lanes are for I-73 North, one lane for Bryan Blvd eastbound on a separate ramp.

Going the opposite way, I-73 South is 3 lanes, approaching I-840/Bryan interchange. I-73 uses 2 right lanes, (the middle one is an optional for both Bryan Blvd East or turn to continue on I-73 South). The left lane of I-73 is an exit only for Bryan Blvd. Now, onto the I-73 south ramp towards I-840 West, both lanes are for I-83/I-840 Southbound, while I-840 east is a left exit... a separate ramp. (both exits from I-73 South for Bryan and I-840 East are left exits)

At the Friendly Ave interchange, I-73/I-840 going northbound is now 4 lanes.

Thanks for the response! Does the left exit ramp from I-73 SB to I-840 EB start out as a single lane now? Is any of that ramp striped for two lanes in the final configuration?

Also, what are the exit numbers and letters? I presume I-73 exits itself southbound like it does northbound.


Yes, it is a single lane ramp for I-840 East, but the ramp is so wide you could make 2 lanes out of it (probably will happen in a distant future should traffic counts increase). Yes, while I-73 southbound does "exit itself", EXIT 107A is for Bryan Blvd (left exit when it is technically a straight exit). I-840 Eastbound is EXIT 107B (another left exit).
Here are Strider's photo of the I-73 South exit signage approaching I-840:


The split of the ramps to I-73 South and I-840 East:


and on the I-73 North ramp from I-840 East:


Other photos can be found on my I-73 Segment 4 and 5 pages:
http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html
http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg5.html#photos

 


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