New Jersey

[roadman65]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/77jdhPsH3ea34QL97
I see the toll booths are closed by the sign on the booths itself.

How long is going to take for the PANYNJ to tear the entire plaza down?

[storm2k]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/77jdhPsH3ea34QL97
I see the toll booths are closed by the sign on the booths itself.

How long is going to take for the PANYNJ to tear the entire plaza down?

Per this article from Larry Higgs at NJ.com, the project to demolish the toll plaza is in development. I imagine it's going in parallel with the demolition projects from the Holland Tunnel and GWB. Doesn't sound like there's a firm date right now.

[chrisg69911]

Some new gantries and signs are going up at the 3/17 interchange in Rutherford/Lyndhurst https://imgur.com/a/gGsD3nC
This is the first one they've put up, another one is going in at the exit of 3 West to the service road and 17 North. Looks much better imo than the one that used to be there.

[roadman65]

Some new gantries and signs are going up at the 3/17 interchange in Rutherford/Lyndhurst https://imgur.com/a/gGsD3nC
This is the first one they've put up, another one is going in at the exit of 3 West to the service road and 17 North. Looks much better imo than the one that used to be there.

That interchange needs upgrading as to travel through on Route 17 is a Royal pain due to that ridiculous switchback on the south side. Originally Route 17 was free flowing across Route 3 and a lot quicker to get across before this set up got created.  Yes, I'm aware that Route 17 was supposed to have a freeway to the south that never got built, but being it didn't get built, they should somehow re simplify it again. 

I'm sure many folks hop on Route 3 West to the Ridge Road ramp who are following straight through Rt. 17 SB to Lyndhurst and North Arlington.

[chrisg69911]

I'm sure many folks hop on Route 3 West to the Ridge Road ramp who are following straight through Rt. 17 SB to Lyndhurst and North Arlington.

That exit is horrendous. It's painted as one lane but everyone turns it into two, one for left, other for straight/right. The light is too quick and the lights across the bridge aren't timed to these ones so the left turn only gets a few cars out before it backs up.

[roadman65]

People need to complain about that light as straight through is now the access to CR 507 now they removed the old ramp when the Passaic River Bridge got replaced and now the Frontage Road is part of the replacement of that removed exit.

That light should be timed better an in synch with the one across the bridge. However, people should complain and if enough complain maybe it will get done.

Edit: Barrows Avenue don't help either. I just noticed that intersection is a five way one adding an extra phase.

[chrisg69911]

People need to complain about that light as straight through is now the access to CR 507 now they removed the old ramp when the Passaic River Bridge got replaced and now the Frontage Road is part of the replacement of that removed exit.

That light should be timed better an in synch with the one across the bridge. However, people should complain and if enough complain maybe it will get done.

Edit: Barrows Avenue don't help either. I just noticed that intersection is a five way one adding an extra phase.

Many people, including me, just take 17 North, Service road exit, and follow the service road up to Orient Way. I've watched the light and its set up to clear most, if not all of the queue waiting, so you're rarely waiting for more than 1 cycle.

[roadman65]

I never thought of going that way. In fact SB can exit to the same service road and then to Orient Way or Ridge Road to avoid that switchback.

[Great Lakes Roads]

https://ocnjdaily.com/news/2024/sep/18/shore-toll-bridges-converting-to-cashless-system-in-2025/

"The Cape May County Bridge Commission, the agency that operates the five spans, is planning to implement an all-electronic toll system starting in 2025, which means cash and coins will no longer be accepted as payment then."

"About 90 percent of the drivers currently use E-ZPass to cross the five toll bridges connecting the Cape May County beach communities along the scenic Ocean Drive.

Don't be surprised if the remaining 10 percent who still pay with cash and coins switch over to E-ZPass next year."

[jeffandnicole]

https://ocnjdaily.com/news/2024/sep/18/shore-toll-bridges-converting-to-cashless-system-in-2025/

"The Cape May County Bridge Commission, the agency that operates the five spans, is planning to implement an all-electronic toll system starting in 2025, which means cash and coins will no longer be accepted as payment then."

"About 90 percent of the drivers currently use E-ZPass to cross the five toll bridges connecting the Cape May County beach communities along the scenic Ocean Drive.

Don't be surprised if the remaining 10 percent who still pay with cash and coins switch over to E-ZPass next year."

I would be surprised if they do. Chances are they're occasional or rare bridge drivers who don't have a need for an EZ Pass, and if they're going to receive an invoice for the cost of the toll and no surcharge, they probably have no reason to finally obtain one, unless they complain about the cost of the envelope, check and stamp.

[storm2k]

https://ocnjdaily.com/news/2024/sep/18/shore-toll-bridges-converting-to-cashless-system-in-2025/

"The Cape May County Bridge Commission, the agency that operates the five spans, is planning to implement an all-electronic toll system starting in 2025, which means cash and coins will no longer be accepted as payment then."

"About 90 percent of the drivers currently use E-ZPass to cross the five toll bridges connecting the Cape May County beach communities along the scenic Ocean Drive.

Don't be surprised if the remaining 10 percent who still pay with cash and coins switch over to E-ZPass next year."

That's nice, but maybe the CMCBC should focus their resources on repairing their bridges so they're actually usable and don't get stuck open with a mad scramble to find parts to fix one of their bridges.

[vdeane]

https://ocnjdaily.com/news/2024/sep/18/shore-toll-bridges-converting-to-cashless-system-in-2025/

"The Cape May County Bridge Commission, the agency that operates the five spans, is planning to implement an all-electronic toll system starting in 2025, which means cash and coins will no longer be accepted as payment then."

"About 90 percent of the drivers currently use E-ZPass to cross the five toll bridges connecting the Cape May County beach communities along the scenic Ocean Drive.

Don't be surprised if the remaining 10 percent who still pay with cash and coins switch over to E-ZPass next year."

I would be surprised if they do. Chances are they're occasional or rare bridge drivers who don't have a need for an EZ Pass, and if they're going to receive an invoice for the cost of the toll and no surcharge, they probably have no reason to finally obtain one, unless they complain about the cost of the envelope, check and stamp.

Or they're like my parents and also refuse to pay the extra fees for bill by mail, so they finally break down and get an E-ZPass.  I inherited my refusal to do bill by mail from my father, but our reasons are different; his is the extra cost (which I hate too, but it's hard to draw the line there when transponder discrimination is so rampant on the Northeast Corridor), while mile is the numerous times when bills have arrived late or not at all and end up with a bunch of late fees/collections charges/penalties tacked on when they finally catch up to the vehicle owner.

Honestly, if my parents lived on the NEC and traveled more, Dad would probably be the type to own multiple E-ZPass transponders to take advantage of each agency's "discount".

[ixnay]

https://ocnjdaily.com/news/2024/sep/18/shore-toll-bridges-converting-to-cashless-system-in-2025/

Ah, the days of fumbling for change at the toll gate (or at least having an *option* of cash or AET, an option that is slowly dwindling)...

Is the owner of *this* YouTube channel reading this post?

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=recollection+road

Iykwim?

[storm2k]

https://ocnjdaily.com/news/2024/sep/18/shore-toll-bridges-converting-to-cashless-system-in-2025/

"The Cape May County Bridge Commission, the agency that operates the five spans, is planning to implement an all-electronic toll system starting in 2025, which means cash and coins will no longer be accepted as payment then."

"About 90 percent of the drivers currently use E-ZPass to cross the five toll bridges connecting the Cape May County beach communities along the scenic Ocean Drive.

Don't be surprised if the remaining 10 percent who still pay with cash and coins switch over to E-ZPass next year."

I would be surprised if they do. Chances are they're occasional or rare bridge drivers who don't have a need for an EZ Pass, and if they're going to receive an invoice for the cost of the toll and no surcharge, they probably have no reason to finally obtain one, unless they complain about the cost of the envelope, check and stamp.

Or they're like my parents and also refuse to pay the extra fees for bill by mail, so they finally break down and get an E-ZPass.  I inherited my refusal to do bill by mail from my father, but our reasons are different; his is the extra cost (which I hate too, but it's hard to draw the line there when transponder discrimination is so rampant on the Northeast Corridor), while mile is the numerous times when bills have arrived late or not at all and end up with a bunch of late fees/collections charges/penalties tacked on when they finally catch up to the vehicle owner.

Honestly, if my parents lived on the NEC and traveled more, Dad would probably be the type to own multiple E-ZPass transponders to take advantage of each agency's "discount".

Sadly the thought to write in prohibitions to transponder discrimination was not a thought when the IAG was setup 30 years ago. And New York charging full toll by mail rates to out of state E-ZPass tags is terrible (other states will charge higher for out of state tags, but never the full pay by mail rates).

[ixnay]

Sadly the thought to write in prohibitions to transponder discrimination was not a thought when the IAG was setup 30 years ago. And New York charging full toll by mail rates to out of state E-ZPass tags is terrible (other states will charge higher for out of state tags, but never the full pay by mail rates).

What's "the IAG"?

[Rothman]

Sadly the thought to write in prohibitions to transponder discrimination was not a thought when the IAG was setup 30 years ago. And New York charging full toll by mail rates to out of state E-ZPass tags is terrible (other states will charge higher for out of state tags, but never the full pay by mail rates).

What's "the IAG"?

Inter Agency Group.  State reps involved with administration of E-ZPass.

[storm2k]

New signs on 22EB in Union, replacing some signs that have existed since the early 1980s, if not earlier. Replaced as part of the Parkway/Morris Ave bridge works.


This is right before 22EB dives under the Parkway. Instead of the left arrow, it should show 1/4 mile or Keep Left or similar. The Parkway sign now shows Paterson as a control city, in keeping with what NJDOT is doing these days.


At the Parkway ramp. Note there is no more reference to the Southbound Parkway since they closed access to the U-Turn that traffic coming from Morris Ave would use to go either Eastbound or Westbound on 22. Also note that the signs for Morris Ave (NJ-82) now reference both directions (I'm presuming traffic to 82WB will have to use this jughandle for the shopping center to turn around).


Exit point for Morris Ave (NJ-82). Since they don't need to sign for the U-Turn to 22WB anymore, this is on a cantilever rather than a full structure. Note that the arrow is greened out because the ramp is currently closed for renovation as part of the overall project.


New advance sign for Vauxhall Road. You can see the signs for traffic coming from Morris Ave westbound to choose their direction. Also, NJDOT has chosen Newark for 22's control city here. This is the right choice in my mind and always has been since the roadway does end in Newark, but NJDOT has been inconsistent about this for decades. Some signs say Newark, others say New York. I think Newark-Somerville-Clinton-Phillipsburg are the best control cities for 22 as it crosses New Jersey, but it's often inconsistent, has been forever, and annoys me to no end.

[roadman65]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/paE7T976aSbQLzxr5
That screening over the rocks won't stop major rocks from falling onto the highway.

What do they expect to accomplish then?

[NoGoodNamesAvailable]

Some new gantries and signs are going up at the 3/17 interchange in Rutherford/Lyndhurst https://imgur.com/a/gGsD3nC
This is the first one they've put up, another one is going in at the exit of 3 West to the service road and 17 North. Looks much better imo than the one that used to be there.

NJDOT is also finally fixing the persistent drainage issues and collapsed culverts in that area.

There has been constant ponded water and flooding in that area around Veterans Boulevard and Polito Avenue. NJDOT has done nothing about their broken infrastructure for years.

I guess all the local businesses and taxpayers are not good enough for them but once the World Cup is coming to town, everything suddenly gets fixed.

[bmitchelf]

At the Parkway ramp. Note there is no more reference to the Southbound Parkway since they closed access to the U-Turn that traffic coming from Morris Ave would use to go either Eastbound or Westbound on 22. Also note that the signs for Morris Ave (NJ-82) now reference both directions (I'm presuming traffic to 82WB will have to use this jughandle for the shopping center to turn around).

So looking at the map, are drivers on 22 East being directed to exit on Fairway Dr S to access GSP South? That probably would have been the most direct route before this construction anyway.

[storm2k]

So looking at the map, are drivers on 22 East being directed to exit on Fairway Dr S to access GSP South? That probably would have been the most direct route before this construction anyway.

No. Nor would they. That's a sharp turn followed by another sharp turn onto a small side street that can't handle a ton of traffic. If you look at the GSV, you can see that if anything, they're trying to discourage usage of that road for anything other than local traffic (the yellow sign I'd guess Union Township put up, but you never know). In recent years, they've put up a "hairpin curve" sign with 10MPH speed advisory, as well. Those that know will use that route to get to the Parkway, but I imagine NJDOT will eventually sign for people to use Vauxhall Road to turn around onto 22WB to access the Southbound Parkway as the preferred route.

[roadman65]

Another issue is the Parkway now needs to install an EAST header over US 22 as you can no longer access WB without that U Turn.

[bmitchelf]

So looking at the map, are drivers on 22 East being directed to exit on Fairway Dr S to access GSP South? That probably would have been the most direct route before this construction anyway.

No. Nor would they. That's a sharp turn followed by another sharp turn onto a small side street that can't handle a ton of traffic. If you look at the GSV, you can see that if anything, they're trying to discourage usage of that road for anything other than local traffic (the yellow sign I'd guess Union Township put up, but you never know). In recent years, they've put up a "hairpin curve" sign with 10MPH speed advisory, as well. Those that know will use that route to get to the Parkway, but I imagine NJDOT will eventually sign for people to use Vauxhall Road to turn around onto 22WB to access the Southbound Parkway as the preferred route.

Vauxhall Rd exit seems like more of a hairpin turn, but the rest of the movement is definitely more straightforward.

[storm2k]

So looking at the map, are drivers on 22 East being directed to exit on Fairway Dr S to access GSP South? That probably would have been the most direct route before this construction anyway.

No. Nor would they. That's a sharp turn followed by another sharp turn onto a small side street that can't handle a ton of traffic. If you look at the GSV, you can see that if anything, they're trying to discourage usage of that road for anything other than local traffic (the yellow sign I'd guess Union Township put up, but you never know). In recent years, they've put up a "hairpin curve" sign with 10MPH speed advisory, as well. Those that know will use that route to get to the Parkway, but I imagine NJDOT will eventually sign for people to use Vauxhall Road to turn around onto 22WB to access the Southbound Parkway as the preferred route.

Vauxhall Rd exit seems like more of a hairpin turn, but the rest of the movement is definitely more straightforward.

It's just an outdated intersection, but it's better suited for the needs. Also, it will likely be where drivers coming off the Parkway will come to turn around to travel westbound.