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Title: Most dangerous beaches
Post by: Flint1979 on February 03, 2024, 12:00:53 PM
After looking at Google Maps in the Keweenaw Peninsula I came across a beach that I had traveled to when I clinched Houghton County. So it made me think of the most dangerous beaches out there because this is indeed one of them. The area I'm talking about is locally known as The Breakers (to anyone else it'd be called North Canal Township Park). I figured this beach was dangerous due to the fact that the water gets deep very quickly here this was all information from a guy I ran into there that told me he lives 2 miles away and that it's the most dangerous beach he's ever seen in his life, I agreed with him and just hung out there for a little while before leaving. Now that I came across this let's see where the most dangerous beach indeed is.
Title: Re: Most dangerous beaches
Post by: oscar on February 03, 2024, 12:19:45 PM
At least you don't have great white sharks hanging out around the Keweenaw Peninsula, as with some northern California beaches. Some Hawaii beaches also have a history of fatal shark attacks.
Title: Re: Most dangerous beaches
Post by: Flint1979 on February 03, 2024, 12:40:03 PM
Quote from: oscar on February 03, 2024, 12:19:45 PM
At least you don't have great white sharks hanging out around the Keweenaw Peninsula, as with some northern California beaches. Some Hawaii beaches also have a history of fatal shark attacks.
We don't have any of that on the Great Lakes. The water getting deep very quickly makes it dangerous, it's also one of the ugliest beaches I have ever seen.

Another Michigan beach, this one on Lake Michigan is one dangerous place too that being the Grand Haven State Park beach.
Title: Re: Most dangerous beaches
Post by: MATraveler128 on February 03, 2024, 12:41:55 PM
One that comes to mind for Massachusetts is pretty much any beach on Plum Island in Newburyport. There have been numerous deaths due to rip currents.
Title: Re: Most dangerous beaches
Post by: Max Rockatansky on February 03, 2024, 01:06:56 PM
Pretty much anything in Big Sur due to terrain, rip tide and generally cold water.
Title: Re: Most dangerous beaches
Post by: Rothman on February 03, 2024, 01:08:54 PM
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on February 03, 2024, 12:41:55 PM
One that comes to mind for Massachusetts is pretty much any beach on Plum Island in Newburyport. There have been numerous deaths due to rip currents.
Pfft.  I've been swimming there.

I'm wondering how you measure danger.
Title: Re: Most dangerous beaches
Post by: formulanone on February 03, 2024, 01:22:58 PM
Queen's Bath in Princeville, Kauai, Hawaii is notably dangerous. Local stories say over 30 people have drowned in the last decade.

I chickened out, realizing I have very limited experience with walking on wet jagged rocks. My wife is less adventurous than myself, but even she wasn't 100% against the idea.
Title: Re: Most dangerous beaches
Post by: mgk920 on February 03, 2024, 02:09:14 PM
Quote from: formulanone on February 03, 2024, 01:22:58 PM
Queen's Bath in Princeville, Kauai, Hawaii is notably dangerous. Local stories say over 30 people have drowned in the last decade.

I chickened out, realizing I have very limited experience with walking on wet jagged rocks. My wife is less adventurous than myself, but even she wasn't 100% against the idea.

The possible presence of jellyfish and crocodiles would give me pause in visiting many beaches in Australia.

Mike
Title: Re: Most dangerous beaches
Post by: Hobart on February 08, 2024, 10:28:46 AM
McKinley Beach in Milwaukee was so dangerous after a 1989 erosion control project that the entire beach has been closed since 2020. Four people drowned there in 2020 alone, so now there's a huge fence around it until the county can fix the rip current issues.
Title: Re: Most dangerous beaches
Post by: Rothman on February 08, 2024, 11:49:08 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on February 03, 2024, 02:09:14 PM
Quote from: formulanone on February 03, 2024, 01:22:58 PM
Queen's Bath in Princeville, Kauai, Hawaii is notably dangerous. Local stories say over 30 people have drowned in the last decade.

I chickened out, realizing I have very limited experience with walking on wet jagged rocks. My wife is less adventurous than myself, but even she wasn't 100% against the idea.

The possible presence of jellyfish and crocodiles would give me pause in visiting many beaches in Australia.

Mike
Psst.  Jellyfish are practically everywhere.
Title: Re: Most dangerous beaches
Post by: kphoger on February 08, 2024, 11:52:56 AM
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Title: Re: Most dangerous beaches
Post by: mgk920 on February 08, 2024, 01:25:00 PM
Quote from: Rothman on February 08, 2024, 11:49:08 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on February 03, 2024, 02:09:14 PM
Quote from: formulanone on February 03, 2024, 01:22:58 PM
Queen's Bath in Princeville, Kauai, Hawaii is notably dangerous. Local stories say over 30 people have drowned in the last decade.

I chickened out, realizing I have very limited experience with walking on wet jagged rocks. My wife is less adventurous than myself, but even she wasn't 100% against the idea.

The possible presence of jellyfish and crocodiles would give me pause in visiting many beaches in Australia.

Mike
Psst.  Jellyfish are practically everywhere.

Are they the Box and Irukandji jellies that are found in Australia?

Mike
Title: Re: Most dangerous beaches
Post by: SectorZ on February 08, 2024, 01:26:47 PM
Quote from: Rothman on February 03, 2024, 01:08:54 PM
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on February 03, 2024, 12:41:55 PM
One that comes to mind for Massachusetts is pretty much any beach on Plum Island in Newburyport. There have been numerous deaths due to rip currents.
Pfft.  I've been swimming there.

I'm wondering how you measure danger.

Probably by the amount of deaths that occur there, like most people.

Seabrook NH just to the north has its share of rip-current deaths.
Title: Re: Most dangerous beaches
Post by: Rothman on February 08, 2024, 01:28:10 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on February 08, 2024, 01:25:00 PM
Quote from: Rothman on February 08, 2024, 11:49:08 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on February 03, 2024, 02:09:14 PM
Quote from: formulanone on February 03, 2024, 01:22:58 PM
Queen's Bath in Princeville, Kauai, Hawaii is notably dangerous. Local stories say over 30 people have drowned in the last decade.

I chickened out, realizing I have very limited experience with walking on wet jagged rocks. My wife is less adventurous than myself, but even she wasn't 100% against the idea.

The possible presence of jellyfish and crocodiles would give me pause in visiting many beaches in Australia.

Mike
Psst.  Jellyfish are practically everywhere.

Are they the Box and Irukandji jellies that are found in Australia?

Mike
They're nettles and portuguese man-o-wars off Atlantic Ocean shores, which are plenty painful and sometimes fatal.

Plenty of stinging jellyfish on the Pacific Ocean side, too...
Title: Re: Most dangerous beaches
Post by: JayhawkCO on February 08, 2024, 04:22:31 PM
I'll nominate Chowpatty Beach in Mumbai, the most polluted beach in the world.
Title: Re: Most dangerous beaches
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on February 08, 2024, 06:24:29 PM
Park Point Beach in Duluth usually sees Lake Superior claim a life or two every few years. The cold water and rip currents (which are not well comprehended by Midwesterners) as well as general humans being idiots contribute.
Title: Re: Most dangerous beaches
Post by: KCRoadFan on February 12, 2024, 07:52:32 PM
When I saw this post, I thought of that beach in the Caribbean - on St. Maarten, I believe - where planes fly very low overhead, due to the local airport being nearby.
Title: Re: Most dangerous beaches
Post by: Jim on February 12, 2024, 08:02:50 PM
Reynisfjara near Vik, Iceland, has a lot of warning signs about the dangers of "sneaker waves" there.  We visited on August 20, 2021 (https://www.teresco.org/pics/iceland-20210817-26/20/puffins.html), and did not get swept away while we were looking at the puffins.

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Title: Re: Most dangerous beaches
Post by: GaryV on February 13, 2024, 07:41:52 AM
Quote from: Jim on February 12, 2024, 08:02:50 PM
Reynisfjara near Vik, Iceland, has a lot of warning signs about the dangers of "sneaker waves" there. 

Well if the waves wore dress shoes, you'd hear them coming so they wouldn't be as dangerous.   :-/
Title: Re: Most dangerous beaches
Post by: plain on February 14, 2024, 12:44:14 AM
I remember seeing online about these guys in Japan (they were American) visiting a beach that was home to a number of Sea Hawks. There were signs there that basically prohibited eating at the beach, and for good reason because a hawk tried to snatch a sandwich out of one of the guy's hands and wound up scratching him pretty good.
Title: Re: Most dangerous beaches
Post by: Rothman on February 14, 2024, 06:59:57 AM
Quote from: plain on February 14, 2024, 12:44:14 AM
I remember seeing online about these guys in Japan (they were American) visiting a beach that was home to a number of Sea Hawks. There were signs there that basically prohibited eating at the beach, and for good reason because a hawk tried to snatch a sandwich out of one of the guy's hands and wound up scratching him pretty good.
So dangerous.

My father was at a beach in Argentina with a friend that got bit by a penguin.  Stay away.  Next time that penguin'll take someone out.
Title: Re: Most dangerous beaches
Post by: roadman65 on February 14, 2024, 07:12:21 AM
New Smyrna Beach, Florida with all its shark attacks. Locally the city is known as the Shark Bite Capital.
Title: Re: Most dangerous beaches
Post by: Rothman on February 14, 2024, 09:03:18 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 14, 2024, 07:12:21 AM
New Smyrna Beach, Florida with all its shark attacks. Locally the city is known as the Shark Bite Capital.
32 shark attacks since 2010 there.  Chances still seem slim.
Title: Re: Most dangerous beaches
Post by: GaryV on February 14, 2024, 09:08:35 AM
Quote from: Rothman on February 14, 2024, 09:03:18 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 14, 2024, 07:12:21 AM
New Smyrna Beach, Florida with all its shark attacks. Locally the city is known as the Shark Bite Capital.
32 shark attacks since 2010 there.  Chances still seem slim.

Worse than the Lake Michigan beaches that were listed upthread.   :-/
Title: Re: Most dangerous beaches
Post by: Rothman on February 14, 2024, 09:58:39 AM


Quote from: GaryV on February 14, 2024, 09:08:35 AM
Quote from: Rothman on February 14, 2024, 09:03:18 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 14, 2024, 07:12:21 AM
New Smyrna Beach, Florida with all its shark attacks. Locally the city is known as the Shark Bite Capital.
32 shark attacks since 2010 there.  Chances still seem slim.

Worse than the Lake Michigan beaches that were listed upthread.   :-/

Hm.  I'd bet cold water kills more than sharks.
Title: Re: Most dangerous beaches
Post by: oscar on February 14, 2024, 10:04:25 AM
Quote from: Rothman on February 14, 2024, 09:58:39 AM


Quote from: GaryV on February 14, 2024, 09:08:35 AM
Quote from: Rothman on February 14, 2024, 09:03:18 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 14, 2024, 07:12:21 AM
New Smyrna Beach, Florida with all its shark attacks. Locally the city is known as the Shark Bite Capital.
32 shark attacks since 2010 there.  Chances still seem slim.

Worse than the Lake Michigan beaches that were listed upthread.   :-/

Hm.  I'd bet cold water kills more than sharks.

At least in Lake Michigan, you can wear a wet suit to deal with the cold water, and not have a shark mistake you for a yummy seal.
Title: Re: Most dangerous beaches
Post by: Rothman on February 14, 2024, 11:21:15 AM
Quote from: oscar on February 14, 2024, 10:04:25 AM
Quote from: Rothman on February 14, 2024, 09:58:39 AM


Quote from: GaryV on February 14, 2024, 09:08:35 AM
Quote from: Rothman on February 14, 2024, 09:03:18 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 14, 2024, 07:12:21 AM
New Smyrna Beach, Florida with all its shark attacks. Locally the city is known as the Shark Bite Capital.
32 shark attacks since 2010 there.  Chances still seem slim.

Worse than the Lake Michigan beaches that were listed upthread.   :-/

Hm.  I'd bet cold water kills more than sharks.

At least in Lake Michigan, you can wear a wet suit to deal with the cold water, and not have a shark mistake you for a yummy seal.
Sure, but people are dying in the Great Lakes.  You don't necessarily die from a shark bite and, when you have only 32 attacks at the worst beach over a time period longer than a decade, it seems to me the cold water and whatever currents in the Great Lakes are the greater danger...let alone we probably don't keep track of people who just come down with a case of hypothermia.
Title: Re: Most dangerous beaches
Post by: Flint1979 on February 14, 2024, 11:55:08 AM
Lake Michigan's problem is the amount of people that use the lake so with more people around Lake Michigan there are going to be more drownings but not any shark attacks. I almost refuse to go into the Great Lakes to swim or anything. I've been in 3 of the Great Lakes though (Superior, Michigan and Huron). Superior is cold but the spot I was in wasn't as cold as the rest of the lake. It is a beach called Sand Point Beach which is located at the very northern part of Munising and with Grand Island blocking most of the lake away from the beach the water is a bit warmer than the rest of the lake. The thing to watch out for in Lake Superior is how quickly the water gets deep, in this area there is a 65 foot drop off a little ways out in the water but if you stay close enough to shore it's not a problem. I then took the Pictured Rocks tour which goes out and turns around near Chapel Beach and I was asking the guy on the boat a bunch of questions and he's the one that told me about the drop off at Sand Point Beach.
Title: Re: Most dangerous beaches
Post by: kphoger on February 14, 2024, 12:39:30 PM
Quote from: Rothman on February 14, 2024, 09:58:39 AM
I'd bet cold water kills more than sharks.

You'd win that bet.  Cold water also kills humans.
Title: Re: Most dangerous beaches
Post by: Rothman on February 14, 2024, 12:40:51 PM
Quote from: kphoger on February 14, 2024, 12:39:30 PM
Quote from: Rothman on February 14, 2024, 09:58:39 AM
I'd bet cold water kills more than sharks.

You'd win that bet.  Cold water also kills humans.
Hey-o!
Title: Re: Most dangerous beaches
Post by: triplemultiplex on February 14, 2024, 01:15:54 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 14, 2024, 11:55:08 AM
Superior is cold but the spot I was in wasn't as cold as the rest of the lake. It is a beach called Sand Point Beach which is located at the very northern part of Munising and with Grand Island blocking most of the lake away from the beach the water is a bit warmer than the rest of the lake. The thing to watch out for in Lake Superior is how quickly the water gets deep, in this area there is a 65 foot drop off a little ways out in the water but if you stay close enough to shore it's not a problem. I then took the Pictured Rocks tour which goes out and turns around near Chapel Beach and I was asking the guy on the boat a bunch of questions and he's the one that told me about the drop off at Sand Point Beach.

The drop off thing isn't true everywhere along Lake Superior.  Swim off Minnesota Point in Duluth and you can walk a long, long ways out.  Several bays in Bayfield County stay waist-deep for so long, one gives up on walking out.
Chequamegon Bay is the warmest water in Lake Superior.  It's mostly sheltered from the main lake and is relatively shallow, so it's good for swimming.  Especially on the Ashland side.

Best conditions for swimming in Lake Superior are actually in like September because the lake has had all summer to warm up.  A few days of consistent wind blowing into whatever shore you're on will ensure that warm surface water piles up on your side of the lake.

The wind thing has such a dramatic effect on Lake Michigan.  Because the wind usually blows toward Michigan, the warmest water gets pushed over to that side.  Combined with the pure sand from Grand Traverse Bay south, it's some very fine swimming (assuming not too much filamentous algae has washed up on shore.). Meanwhile, on the Wisconsin side, those prevailing winds generally cause upwelling of colder water from deeper in the lake to replace the warm surface water pushed toward Michigan.  So it could be 90 degrees for a week, but if you got westerly winds, the water will still be absolutely frigid in the dog days of summer.  Just as well since the aforementioned algae is always piling up on our beaches.  Goddamn quagga mussels...
Title: Re: Most dangerous beaches
Post by: Flint1979 on February 14, 2024, 01:51:45 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on February 14, 2024, 01:15:54 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 14, 2024, 11:55:08 AM
Superior is cold but the spot I was in wasn't as cold as the rest of the lake. It is a beach called Sand Point Beach which is located at the very northern part of Munising and with Grand Island blocking most of the lake away from the beach the water is a bit warmer than the rest of the lake. The thing to watch out for in Lake Superior is how quickly the water gets deep, in this area there is a 65 foot drop off a little ways out in the water but if you stay close enough to shore it's not a problem. I then took the Pictured Rocks tour which goes out and turns around near Chapel Beach and I was asking the guy on the boat a bunch of questions and he's the one that told me about the drop off at Sand Point Beach.

The drop off thing isn't true everywhere along Lake Superior.  Swim off Minnesota Point in Duluth and you can walk a long, long ways out.  Several bays in Bayfield County stay waist-deep for so long, one gives up on walking out.
Chequamegon Bay is the warmest water in Lake Superior.  It's mostly sheltered from the main lake and is relatively shallow, so it's good for swimming.  Especially on the Ashland side.

Best conditions for swimming in Lake Superior are actually in like September because the lake has had all summer to warm up.  A few days of consistent wind blowing into whatever shore you're on will ensure that warm surface water piles up on your side of the lake.

The wind thing has such a dramatic effect on Lake Michigan.  Because the wind usually blows toward Michigan, the warmest water gets pushed over to that side.  Combined with the pure sand from Grand Traverse Bay south, it's some very fine swimming (assuming not too much filamentous algae has washed up on shore.). Meanwhile, on the Wisconsin side, those prevailing winds generally cause upwelling of colder water from deeper in the lake to replace the warm surface water pushed toward Michigan.  So it could be 90 degrees for a week, but if you got westerly winds, the water will still be absolutely frigid in the dog days of summer.  Just as well since the aforementioned algae is always piling up on our beaches.  Goddamn quagga mussels...
Superior has deep enough water that you need to watch out for and some of those beaches drop off quickly. Yeah but the deep cold water in Lake Superior stays pretty cold year round. Usually the east side of the lakes has the best beaches.
Title: Re: Most dangerous beaches
Post by: Rothman on February 14, 2024, 02:30:35 PM
Oh, we haven't talked about lampreys latching onto Great Lakes swimmers yet...
Title: Re: Most dangerous beaches
Post by: triplemultiplex on February 15, 2024, 10:04:35 AM
Has that ever happened?
Title: Re: Most dangerous beaches
Post by: Rothman on February 15, 2024, 11:02:12 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on February 15, 2024, 10:04:35 AM
Has that ever happened?
Yes.
Title: Re: Most dangerous beaches
Post by: triplemultiplex on February 16, 2024, 11:12:59 AM
Gross.
Title: Re: Most dangerous beaches
Post by: Flint1979 on February 16, 2024, 01:21:10 PM
The thing with Michigan is that you don't have to go to a Great Lake to go to the beach. We have so many inland lakes that you can take your pick on what one you want to go to pretty much.
Title: Re: Most dangerous beaches
Post by: Rothman on February 16, 2024, 02:45:34 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on February 16, 2024, 11:12:59 AM
Gross.
Well, also yes.