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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2925 on: September 25, 2020, 11:13:04 PM »

This has probably already been addressed somewhere on the forum, but what is the point of these concrete overhead sign "poles" that have been popping up along urban stretches of freeway in Wisconsin for the past 10 years or so? Is there enough of a (or any?) design benefit to justify the additional cost as opposed to a traditional overhead sign assembly, or is it solely for aesthetic reasons?
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2926 on: September 26, 2020, 08:43:20 AM »

This has probably already been addressed somewhere on the forum, but what is the point of these concrete overhead sign "poles" that have been popping up along urban stretches of freeway in Wisconsin for the past 10 years or so? Is there enough of a (or any?) design benefit to justify the additional cost as opposed to a traditional overhead sign assembly, or is it solely for aesthetic reasons?
There was a "community sensitive" design initiative during Jim Doyle's time as governor.  All projects had to be designed to "blend in".  It was scrapped in 2010.   The I-39/90 widening is the last to require it.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2927 on: September 26, 2020, 11:18:04 PM »

This has probably already been addressed somewhere on the forum, but what is the point of these concrete overhead sign "poles" that have been popping up along urban stretches of freeway in Wisconsin for the past 10 years or so? Is there enough of a (or any?) design benefit to justify the additional cost as opposed to a traditional overhead sign assembly, or is it solely for aesthetic reasons?
These are all over the rebuilt interchanges and freeways in the Milwaukee area, and on I-41/94 south to Illinois. I think they look good, and not boring. Seeing how much work they put into all that reconstruction, why not make it look nice?
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2928 on: September 27, 2020, 08:51:50 AM »

Because there is a segment of our society that believes any money spent on aesthetics is a waste. 
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2929 on: September 28, 2020, 08:47:16 PM »

Because there is a segment of our society that believes any money spent on aesthetics is a waste.

I guess I represent that segment. I think these brick/concrete sign supports look cool and unique. I also think plain Jane steel monotubes look just fine as well.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2930 on: September 28, 2020, 11:00:40 PM »

This has probably already been addressed somewhere on the forum, but what is the point of these concrete overhead sign "poles" that have been popping up along urban stretches of freeway in Wisconsin for the past 10 years or so? Is there enough of a (or any?) design benefit to justify the additional cost as opposed to a traditional overhead sign assembly, or is it solely for aesthetic reasons?
These are all over the rebuilt interchanges and freeways in the Milwaukee area, and on I-41/94 south to Illinois. I think they look good, and not boring. Seeing how much work they put into all that reconstruction, why not make it look nice?
I think I read somewhere that the 39/90 project will be the last one to feature that.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2931 on: September 28, 2020, 11:05:54 PM »

So why does every 4 way stop intersection have to be a roundabout?
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2932 on: September 29, 2020, 08:49:05 AM »

So why does every 4 way stop intersection have to be a roundabout?

They don't.

Why are you so triggered by roundabouts?
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2933 on: September 29, 2020, 12:50:38 PM »

So why does every 4 way stop intersection have to be a roundabout?

They don't.

Why are you so triggered by roundabouts?
Because he wants back his good old days of roads when there wasn't so much knowledge ( :rolleyes:) and creativity ( :angry:) around managing and improving traffic flow.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2934 on: September 30, 2020, 03:56:03 PM »

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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2935 on: September 30, 2020, 04:39:05 PM »

I guess "Southbridge Road" will finally live up to its name.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2936 on: September 30, 2020, 05:33:57 PM »

They should apply a state route number from I-41, across the south crossing, then down Monroe Road (County GV) to WI-172.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2937 on: October 01, 2020, 05:46:27 AM »

They should apply a state route number from I-41, across the south crossing, then down Monroe Road (County GV) to WI-172.

Is 'WI 341' available for reassignment yet?

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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2938 on: October 01, 2020, 11:39:02 AM »

They should apply a state route number from I-41, across the south crossing, then down Monroe Road (County GV) to WI-172.

Is 'WI 341' available for reassignment yet?

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It hasn't been long since it was decomissioned. Honestly every time I drive through the Stadium Interchange I think of it as the junction between I-94 and WI-341, only to realize that 341 no longer exists.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2939 on: October 01, 2020, 11:56:26 AM »

They should apply a state route number from I-41, across the south crossing, then down Monroe Road (County GV) to WI-172.

Is 'WI 341' available for reassignment yet?

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Radical idea:

**Reroute WI-57 off Green Bay city streets.  Have it follow I-43, then WI-172 to the Monroe Road exit, crossing the south crossing, ending at I-41.
**WI-32 will still exist on the current duplex with WI-57.
**Reroute WI-32 over WI-57's current routing to I-43.
**Decommission WI-57 in the Milwaukee area
**Reroute WI-42 along what is now WI-32 ending at its current intersection with WI-57
**Extend US-151 along WI-42 from Manitowoc to Door County
**Decommission WI-42 between Howards Grove and Manitowoc
**Decommission WI-32 between Howards Grove and I-43 near Cedar Grove.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2940 on: October 01, 2020, 05:04:44 PM »

What would be the exact route of SEWIGuy's proposed state highway addition? Not being from Green Bay, I have no idea where the "South Crossing" is? Also, such a proposal would require an existing state highway segment to be decommissioned, since the state can only have a fixed amount of state highway mileage. That is why US 18 through Waukesha and STH 74 were decommissioned in order for STH 318 and the US 18 portion of the West Waukesha Bypass to come into existence.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2941 on: October 01, 2020, 08:30:31 PM »

They should apply a state route number from I-41, across the south crossing, then down Monroe Road (County GV) to WI-172.

Is 'WI 341' available for reassignment yet?

Mike
It hasn't been long since it was decomissioned. Honestly every time I drive through the Stadium Interchange I think of it as the junction between I-94 and WI-341, only to realize that 341 no longer exists.
It was never signed so I never thought it ever existed at all.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2942 on: October 02, 2020, 09:00:58 AM »

What would be the exact route of SEWIGuy's proposed state highway addition? Not being from Green Bay, I have no idea where the "South Crossing" is? Also, such a proposal would require an existing state highway segment to be decommissioned, since the state can only have a fixed amount of state highway mileage. That is why US 18 through Waukesha and STH 74 were decommissioned in order for STH 318 and the US 18 portion of the West Waukesha Bypass to come into existence.




Here is the map.  They are looking at the south corridor option.  What I am suggesting is that from I-41 (marked as US-41) that a state highway should go east, over the Fox River, and then over County GV to end at WI-172 (far upper right corner).  County GV (also known at Monroe Road) is a nice four lane road that currently dead ends at County X (Heritage Road)

EDIT:  And if you need to subtract state highway mileage from the system to accomplish this, you have numerous options to get state highways off Green Bay city streets.  In reality, they are likely just going to give the short bridge section between I-41 and WI-32/57 a number.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2943 on: October 02, 2020, 09:01:44 AM »

They should apply a state route number from I-41, across the south crossing, then down Monroe Road (County GV) to WI-172.

Is 'WI 341' available for reassignment yet?

Mike
It hasn't been long since it was decomissioned. Honestly every time I drive through the Stadium Interchange I think of it as the junction between I-94 and WI-341, only to realize that 341 no longer exists.
It was never signed so I never thought it ever existed at all.


I believe there was one reassurance marker NB between National Ave and I-94.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2944 on: October 02, 2020, 11:09:20 AM »

They should apply a state route number from I-41, across the south crossing, then down Monroe Road (County GV) to WI-172.

Is 'WI 341' available for reassignment yet?

Mike
It hasn't been long since it was decomissioned. Honestly every time I drive through the Stadium Interchange I think of it as the junction between I-94 and WI-341, only to realize that 341 no longer exists.
It was never signed so I never thought it ever existed at all.


I believe there was one reassurance marker NB between National Ave and I-94.
I thought for some reason that it was signed on I-94, but a check of old GSV says otherwise.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2945 on: October 02, 2020, 12:58:25 PM »

They should apply a state route number from I-41, across the south crossing, then down Monroe Road (County GV) to WI-172.

Is 'WI 341' available for reassignment yet?

Mike
It hasn't been long since it was decomissioned. Honestly every time I drive through the Stadium Interchange I think of it as the junction between I-94 and WI-341, only to realize that 341 no longer exists.
It was never signed so I never thought it ever existed at all.


I believe there was one reassurance marker NB between National Ave and I-94.
I thought for some reason that it was signed on I-94, but a check of old GSV says otherwise.

There was also a 'pathfinder' sign for WI 341 on one of the parking lot access roads east of Miller Park in the parking lots, it was visible from a pedestrian stadium access bridge over that access road and the Miller Park Way freeway.

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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2946 on: October 03, 2020, 12:19:41 AM »

If one wanted to make this new southern crossing a state highway from I-41 to WI 172, and behold to WisDOT's arbitrary and silly county-based mileage 'cap', I'd decom US 141 through Green Bay.  Truncate that sucker up to Abrams.
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Pull WI 54 off of Mason Street and route over 172 and I-43 to that northeast system interchange.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2947 on: October 04, 2020, 03:00:14 PM »

If one wanted to make this new southern crossing a state highway from I-41 to WI 172, and behold to WisDOT's arbitrary and silly county-based mileage 'cap', I'd decom US 141 through Green Bay.  Truncate that sucker up to Abrams.
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Pull WI 54 off of Mason Street and route over 172 and I-43 to that northeast system interchange.

At first I thought you meant to Abrams in the city, near Kroll's. LOL. But I agree. There's no point to US 141 south of Abrams. It follows a convoluted route through Green Bay's West Side (Velp, Mather, Broadway, Dousman) that's mostly used by locals. I think the only reason Green Bay keeps it is the mileage cap, so they can get a new highway should one be needed. They could also route WI 57, WI 32, and especially WI 29 around the Green Bay "Beltway" for more original mileage.

Proposals for a crossing between DePere and Wrightstown go back to when I was a kid in the 60's. I've seen ideas for both Scheuring/ Heritage and Red Maple/ Rockland corridors. The Scheuring/ Heritage Road corridor is probably out considering all the development around Scheuring Road. If I still lived there, I'd include it in the current "Road Problems your city or state will never likely fix" thread in General Highway Talk. It's been arguably needed since my youth to take non-local traffic out of the Claude Allouez Bridge area.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2948 on: October 04, 2020, 08:42:10 PM »

If one wanted to make this new southern crossing a state highway from I-41 to WI 172, and behold to WisDOT's arbitrary and silly county-based mileage 'cap', I'd decom US 141 through Green Bay.  Truncate that sucker up to Abrams.
and/or
Pull WI 54 off of Mason Street and route over 172 and I-43 to that northeast system interchange.

At first I thought you meant to Abrams in the city, near Kroll's. LOL. But I agree. There's no point to US 141 south of Abrams. It follows a convoluted route through Green Bay's West Side (Velp, Mather, Broadway, Dousman) that's mostly used by locals. I think the only reason Green Bay keeps it is the mileage cap, so they can get a new highway should one be needed. They could also route WI 57, WI 32, and especially WI 29 around the Green Bay "Beltway" for more original mileage.

Proposals for a crossing between DePere and Wrightstown go back to when I was a kid in the 60's. I've seen ideas for both Scheuring/ Heritage and Red Maple/ Rockland corridors. The Scheuring/ Heritage Road corridor is probably out considering all the development around Scheuring Road. If I still lived there, I'd include it in the current "Road Problems your city or state will never likely fix" thread in General Highway Talk. It's been arguably needed since my youth to take non-local traffic out of the Claude Allouez Bridge area.
If every route currently "inside the beltway" in Green Bay is rerouted (and US-141 removed and truncated), that would create Wisconsin's first quintuplex. I-41, US-41, WI-29, WI-32, and WI-54 would all be on the same pavement between Mason St and Shawano Ave.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2949 on: October 05, 2020, 12:46:25 AM »

Wis 127 and Wis 134 are the most pointless state highways. How are they both state highways since they donít really go anywhere?
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