New Jersey

[Zeffy]

I thought those were available for quite some time now? I remember downloading them earlier this year...

[jeffandnicole]

The 2015 Version was published on Oct 14. Prior to that was the 2014 version.  They look exactly identical, save for a few minor changes.

[Mr. Matté]

And in true Jersey fashion, half the links are broken.

[jeffandnicole]

And in true Jersey fashion, half the links are broken.

Which links?  I haven't encountered any broken links yet.

[Mr. Matté]

A sampling of the 600-county routes don't seem to be working, the one for 156 which I accessed on Friday isn't now.

[NE2]

I'm not looking at the original pre-1927 system. Post-1927 when everything was renumbered, 1-12 were in the northern part of the state and then it started again at 20. Here's what happened chronologically:
* 13 was assigned to CR 13N in Ocean
* 17 was assigned to 2 to match NY
* 15 was assigned to S6 and 18 was assigned to S28 (1953 renumbering)
* 14 was assigned to a proposed Bergen County freeway
* 19 was assigned to the leftover piece of 20 (1988)

Correct chronology:
1927: 1-12 and 21-50 legislated (12 was not in the original bill)
1938: CR 13E taken over by state; became 13 in 1953
1939: 18 legislated from Old Bridge to Eatontown
1939: 19 legislated from Paterson to Newark
1942: 17 replaced 2 to match NY
1953: 15 replaced 6A
1953: 20 replaced part of 3
1960s: 14 proposed
14, 15, and 20 were the only numbers chosen entirely by NJDOT (and predecessors). I don't know why they were chosen (or why any of the post-1953 numbers were chosen).

[jeffandnicole]

A sampling of the 600-county routes don't seem to be working, the one for 156 which I accessed on Friday isn't now.

Maybe your Adobe isn't upgraded to a current version, or something's blocking it from being viewed.  I clicked on the link you provided and it opened without a problem.

[roadman65]

What is up with NJDOT eliminating the truck climb lane on NJ 23 south in Hardyston Township just south of the CR 517 split in Franklin?   

If I am not mistaken that part of NJ 23 is in dyer need of either widening or a freeway bypass for decades due to Franklin and Hardyston both developing every empty lot of NJ 23 from Stockholm to Sussex.

Now they restriped the whole entire thing to where the original general purpose lane is now a wide buffer median less divider and the former truck lane is now the all purpose SB lane.

[Zeffy]

Has anyone mentioned the new signs heading north on I-95 that list Lawrence [Township] as the control city here yet? Very interesting choice.

I feel like someone brought this up but the last 4 pages don't seem like it...

[roadman65]

Has anyone mentioned the new signs heading north on I-95 that list Lawrence [Township] as the control city here yet? Very interesting choice.

I feel like someone brought this up but the last 4 pages don't seem like it...

They got to be kidding?  Lawrence replacing Princeton or New York.  That is like Ewing being I-295's mileage control point on its mileage signs.

[odditude]

Has anyone mentioned the new signs heading north on I-95 that list Lawrence [Township] as the control city here yet? Very interesting choice.

I feel like someone brought this up but the last 4 pages don't seem like it...

yeah, you did.

Here's an interesting one that I don't have a photo of - on I-95 north of Trenton, just past Exit 1, there are now pull through signs that state I-95 NORTH TO I-295 SOUTH LAWRENCE.

How Lawrence Township got chosen over a myriad of other cities is beyond me.

i can give you the technical reason - Lawrence Twp is where the changeover occurs. regardless, i'm not a fan either.

the sign in question is on the new assembly at Exit 2, which somebody beat with an ugly stick before installing.

[roadman65]

I noticed that a u turn ramp now exists on I-278 near its western terminus.  I see it on GSV and the maps.  There is a detour Goethals Bridge sign at the ramp along with an I-278 shield as well.

What is the nature of this?

[NJRoadfan]

Goethals Bridge construction has the Turnpike ramp to the bridge closed from time to time, that is the detour.

[roadman65]

I am guessing that has to do with the bridge replacement.

[storm2k]

I noticed that a u turn ramp now exists on I-278 near its western terminus.  I see it on GSV and the maps.  There is a detour Goethals Bridge sign at the ramp along with an I-278 shield as well.

What is the nature of this?

The ramp from 439 (Bayway) to 278EB onto the bridge is closed as part of the construction. Detour is posted on to 278 WB. I was curious what they were doing with traffic from there since there is no other exits before 278 ends at 1-9.

[roadman65]

I am interested in seeing just how many people will use the proposed full interchange with US 1 & 9 that will allow WB to NB and SB to EB.

Do not get me wrong, its about time they addressed that issue, however I do not think if I was coming off the Goethals Bridge if I would stay on I-278 to US 1 & 9 North.  I would still use NJ 439 to  South Broad Street to US 1 & 9 North.   Southbound US 1 & 9 is iffy as you cannot make a direct left onto S. Broad Street from US 1 & 9 S Bound and I do not know for sure if the timing would be any different using the new interchange and doubling back than to go around the Bayway Circle and transit the non freeway NJ 439 that goes directly to the bridge in a shorter distance, but with the stop lights.

[Alps]

I noticed that a u turn ramp now exists on I-278 near its western terminus.  I see it on GSV and the maps.  There is a detour Goethals Bridge sign at the ramp along with an I-278 shield as well.

What is the nature of this?

The ramp from 439 (Bayway) to 278EB onto the bridge is closed as part of the construction. Detour is posted on to 278 WB. I was curious what they were doing with traffic from there since there is no other exits before 278 ends at 1-9.

This is correct.

I am interested in seeing just how many people will use the proposed full interchange with US 1 & 9 that will allow WB to NB and SB to EB.

That is a thoughtful question. My thinking is that the Bayway (439) will be restricted to trucks, so all of the long trucks currently going through that neighborhood to get to US 1&9 will now be on I-278. That would be REALLY nice.

[Duke87]

Back on the note of the SLDs, NJ 68 still officially ends inside of Fort Dix despite access to the end being restricted for more than a decade. According to said SLD, NJDOT still has jurisdiction over the entire route, even the portion at and beyond the gate. How is that practically achieved? Do NJDOT snowplows have to clear security at the gate to the base? If the road beyond the gate needs a pothole filled, who does that - NJDOT or the Military?

[NJRoadfan]

I'd assume base crews take care of the plowing. Last time I was on the base, NJDOT signing was still posted at the circle along with Milepost 0. Same goes for the county routes that used to pass through the base. Burlington County doesn't maintain them anymore.

[jeffandnicole]

The little-used US 130 in South Jersey at the Salem/Gloucester County line will be closed for a few months, starting Nov. 20th, to remove the liftbridge cabilities of this bridge.

Press Release: http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/about/press/2015/111915.shtm

GSV Location: https://goo.gl/maps/uf5qeDEvsUx

While built to allow tall watercraft to go underneath, I don't believe it has ever been used.  When one takes a close look at the guiderail, they didn't even bother to place a break in the rail: https://goo.gl/maps/VMnXVsHLTfF2 .  And there's nothing to stop traffic if the bridge was actually in operation (no lights, gates, etc).

About 5 miles north of here, and just south of the Commodore Barry Bridge area, is another lift bridge on a busier portion of US 130 over Raccoon Creek ( https://goo.gl/maps/EAEFa4fuyCp ).  While rarely used, this lift bridge is in operation, and the station is staffed from 7am to 11pm.  This bridge is scheduled to be replaced, with request for bids going out shorty.  The new bridge will be a fixed span to allow 25' of clearance underneath.

[Alps]

The little-used US 130 in South Jersey at the Salem/Gloucester County line will be closed for a few months, starting Nov. 20th, to remove the liftbridge cabilities of this bridge.

Press Release: http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/about/press/2015/111915.shtm

GSV Location: https://goo.gl/maps/uf5qeDEvsUx

While built to allow tall watercraft to go underneath, I don't believe it has ever been used.  When one takes a close look at the guiderail, they didn't even bother to place a break in the rail: https://goo.gl/maps/VMnXVsHLTfF2 .  And there's nothing to stop traffic if the bridge was actually in operation (no lights, gates, etc).

About 5 miles north of here, and just south of the Commodore Barry Bridge area, is another lift bridge on a busier portion of US 130 over Raccoon Creek ( https://goo.gl/maps/EAEFa4fuyCp ).  While rarely used, this lift bridge is in operation, and the station is staffed from 7am to 11pm.  This bridge is scheduled to be replaced, with request for bids going out shorty.  The new bridge will be a fixed span to allow 25' of clearance underneath.

As long as they don't remove the neat old NO FISHING sign heading SB that I just saw in GSV.

[ixnay]

The little-used US 130 in South Jersey at the Salem/Gloucester County line will be closed for a few months, starting Nov. 20th, to remove the liftbridge cabilities of this bridge.

Press Release: http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/about/press/2015/111915.shtm

GSV Location: https://goo.gl/maps/uf5qeDEvsUx

While built to allow tall watercraft to go underneath, I don't believe it has ever been used.  When one takes a close look at the guiderail, they didn't even bother to place a break in the rail: https://goo.gl/maps/VMnXVsHLTfF2 .  And there's nothing to stop traffic if the bridge was actually in operation (no lights, gates, etc).

About 5 miles north of here, and just south of the Commodore Barry Bridge area, is another lift bridge on a busier portion of US 130 over Raccoon Creek ( https://goo.gl/maps/EAEFa4fuyCp ).  While rarely used, this lift bridge is in operation, and the station is staffed from 7am to 11pm.  This bridge is scheduled to be replaced, with request for bids going out shorty.  The new bridge will be a fixed span to allow 25' of clearance underneath.

I'll miss being able to see those tall lift mechanisms from I-495 in Delaware...

ixnay

[Alps]

The little-used US 130 in South Jersey at the Salem/Gloucester County line will be closed for a few months, starting Nov. 20th, to remove the liftbridge cabilities of this bridge.

Press Release: http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/about/press/2015/111915.shtm

GSV Location: https://goo.gl/maps/uf5qeDEvsUx

While built to allow tall watercraft to go underneath, I don't believe it has ever been used.  When one takes a close look at the guiderail, they didn't even bother to place a break in the rail: https://goo.gl/maps/VMnXVsHLTfF2 .  And there's nothing to stop traffic if the bridge was actually in operation (no lights, gates, etc).

About 5 miles north of here, and just south of the Commodore Barry Bridge area, is another lift bridge on a busier portion of US 130 over Raccoon Creek ( https://goo.gl/maps/EAEFa4fuyCp ).  While rarely used, this lift bridge is in operation, and the station is staffed from 7am to 11pm.  This bridge is scheduled to be replaced, with request for bids going out shorty.  The new bridge will be a fixed span to allow 25' of clearance underneath.

I'll miss being able to see those tall lift mechanisms from I-495 in Delaware...

ixnay

No you won't. They're only removing counterweights and wires.

[ixnay]

The little-used US 130 in South Jersey at the Salem/Gloucester County line will be closed for a few months, starting Nov. 20th, to remove the liftbridge cabilities of this bridge.

Press Release: http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/about/press/2015/111915.shtm

GSV Location: https://goo.gl/maps/uf5qeDEvsUx

While built to allow tall watercraft to go underneath, I don't believe it has ever been used.  When one takes a close look at the guiderail, they didn't even bother to place a break in the rail: https://goo.gl/maps/VMnXVsHLTfF2 .  And there's nothing to stop traffic if the bridge was actually in operation (no lights, gates, etc).

About 5 miles north of here, and just south of the Commodore Barry Bridge area, is another lift bridge on a busier portion of US 130 over Raccoon Creek ( https://goo.gl/maps/EAEFa4fuyCp ).  While rarely used, this lift bridge is in operation, and the station is staffed from 7am to 11pm.  This bridge is scheduled to be replaced, with request for bids going out shorty.  The new bridge will be a fixed span to allow 25' of clearance underneath.

I'll miss being able to see those tall lift mechanisms from I-495 in Delaware...

ixnay

No you won't. They're only removing counterweights and wires.

Well, good!  That should shorten the time the detour is in effect.  Those towers are landmarks (I've driven that Penns Grove-Bridgeport stretch of 130 a couple of times).

You said the Raccoon Creek bridge is being replaced.  Will the new bridge be built beside the lift bridge?  If so, that should render a detour unnecessary depending on work room.

ixnay

[jeffandnicole]

The little-used US 130 in South Jersey at the Salem/Gloucester County line will be closed for a few months, starting Nov. 20th, to remove the liftbridge cabilities of this bridge.

Press Release: http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/about/press/2015/111915.shtm

GSV Location: https://goo.gl/maps/uf5qeDEvsUx

While built to allow tall watercraft to go underneath, I don't believe it has ever been used.  When one takes a close look at the guiderail, they didn't even bother to place a break in the rail: https://goo.gl/maps/VMnXVsHLTfF2 .  And there's nothing to stop traffic if the bridge was actually in operation (no lights, gates, etc).

About 5 miles north of here, and just south of the Commodore Barry Bridge area, is another lift bridge on a busier portion of US 130 over Raccoon Creek ( https://goo.gl/maps/EAEFa4fuyCp ).  While rarely used, this lift bridge is in operation, and the station is staffed from 7am to 11pm.  This bridge is scheduled to be replaced, with request for bids going out shorty.  The new bridge will be a fixed span to allow 25' of clearance underneath.

I'll miss being able to see those tall lift mechanisms from I-495 in Delaware...

ixnay

No you won't. They're only removing counterweights and wires.

Well, good!  That should shorten the time the detour is in effect.  Those towers are landmarks (I've driven that Penns Grove-Bridgeport stretch of 130 a couple of times).

You said the Raccoon Creek bridge is being replaced.  Will the new bridge be built beside the lift bridge?  If so, that should render a detour unnecessary depending on work room.

ixnay

Correct...there won't be any detours in effect for this bridge.  The Southbound lanes will be built next to the existing bridge.  When that bridge is complete (they'll have to narrow US 130 to 1-lane per direction during the construction), the existing lift bridge will be demolished and the Northbound bridge will be built.

I found this via a Google search (which I never found searching on NJDOT's own website): https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=10453.msg2106752;boardseen#quickreply from 2010.  Some of the highlights from this report are below. You can also use this aerial view to help understand some of the locations mentioned: https://goo.gl/maps/zoMmpiEQZAu  (Note: NJ 324 is incorrectly labeled here.  It is actually Island Road, a local township road.)

The new overpass will be built over Raccoon Creek and over the local roads just to the north of it: Main Street & Island Road.  Those two roads will no longer have access to US 130 here.  While most traffic will probably use Main Street to Barker Ave to access 130 North, it would probably increase the traffic flow on Springer Lane, which winds underneath the Commodore Barry Bridge.

Sheets Road, which looks likes a decent side road on the aerial image but it really a narrow alleyway, yet has access to 130 North, will have that access removed.

The new overpass's beams will be made of weathered steel.

The new overpass will have a design speed of 65 mph and a posted speed of 55 mph (which is what is currently posted).

LOS is A both now and expected in the future.  The most significant traffic load is traffic going from/to the Commodore Barry Bridge turning onto/off of High Hill Road to access the Industrial Park Area and Center Square Road near Exit 10 of I-295.

At the more recent public meeting, this was handed out: http://logan-twp.org/pdf/RT%20%20130%20over%20Raccoon%20Creek%20APPROVED%20FLYER%2010-22-14.pdf

Added to the project area, the township was able to get NJDOT to incorporate into the project building of an acceleration lane from Barker Ave to US 130 North.  Currently, traffic must yield/stop as Barker Ave enters immediately into the travel lanes on US 130 North.

Also, a traffic light will be installed at US 130 & High Hill Rd.