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Re: New York
« Reply #6475 on: January 27, 2023, 10:56:10 PM »

Looks like this is the week for members of the state legislature to propose bills that are of interest to roadgeeks.

https://auburnpub.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/70-mph-ny-senator-eyes-higher-speed-limit-on-thruway-state-highways/article_90ee55b1-41a6-5a26-a6ab-85f22c9eb0ee.html

Never going to happen. Someone in another thread posted something about a 75 mph bill that was proposed back in like 2016, and 6 years later it's still "in committee" (the 2nd out of like 5-6 steps in signing a bill into law). Probably wouldn't change the number of tickets either really as most cops likely already give you up to 80 mph in 65 zones, they'd probably keep the enforcement threshold at 80 even if it went up to 70.
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« Reply #6476 on: January 28, 2023, 04:25:54 PM »

^ I didn't want to get political, but given the party of the legislative members who proposed this bill (and the one for mile-based numbers on the Thruway) and the party that actually has power at the state level in NY, especially given that Hochul has called to pass Sammy's Law (20 mph speed limits in NYC) in this year's State of the State, I agree it's a long shot.
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Re: New York
« Reply #6477 on: January 28, 2023, 06:02:44 PM »

Just the fact that the Long Island Expressway in Suffolk County isn't even 65 mph proves its never going to happen. No way would they consider 75 mph on lower quality roadways upstate. 4 lanes each direction and almost perfectly straight is about as good as you are going to get for interstate standards, so if a road like that is 55 mph, 75 mph for other roads is out of the question.
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Re: New York
« Reply #6478 on: January 30, 2023, 09:18:14 AM »

The fact that you now have traffic jams as far east as Exit 68, doesn't give me much confidence in seeing the speed limit raised anywhere on the Long Island Expressway.

Portions of the Thruway getting a raise, I can understand.
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Re: New York
« Reply #6479 on: January 30, 2023, 11:24:53 AM »

The fact that you now have traffic jams as far east as Exit 68, doesn't give me much confidence in seeing the speed limit raised anywhere on the Long Island Expressway.

Portions of the Thruway getting a raise, I can understand.

I have seen traffic jams up to exit 64, but never 68. And speed limit shouldn't be set based on traffic levels because then you are punishing people for driving faster at times when there is less traffic. The thruway is curvier than the Long Island Expressway, so I-495 should be the first to get a speed limit raise. And as of now, I am not saying 75 mph (which it really should be), I am saying 65 mph just to match NYS's own speed limit law.
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Re: New York
« Reply #6480 on: January 30, 2023, 12:06:05 PM »

The thruway is curvier than the Long Island Expressway, so I-495 should be the first to get a speed limit raise. And as of now, I am not saying 75 mph (which it really should be), I am saying 65 mph just to match NYS's own speed limit law.

Wait, what? The Thruway has very few curves and great sightlines throughout. I agree I-495 should be 65 mph at least, but not because it's straighter than the Thruway.
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Re: New York
« Reply #6481 on: January 30, 2023, 12:30:23 PM »

The thruway is curvier than the Long Island Expressway, so I-495 should be the first to get a speed limit raise. And as of now, I am not saying 75 mph (which it really should be), I am saying 65 mph just to match NYS's own speed limit law.

Wait, what? The Thruway has very few curves and great sightlines throughout. I agree I-495 should be 65 mph at least, but not because it's straighter than the Thruway.

Thruway is 4 lanes much of the time, I-495 is 8. I-495 has much better sight distance and kinger straight stretches. The thruway is constantly curving to work its way through the terrain.
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« Reply #6482 on: January 30, 2023, 12:41:12 PM »

The Thruway is as straight as Illinois is flat.
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« Reply #6483 on: January 30, 2023, 02:13:49 PM »

Straight or curvy or whatever, it seems unlikely to me that there are any engineering reasons that 80% or more of the Thruway's mileage needs a speed limit below 70 or even 75.
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Re: New York
« Reply #6484 on: January 30, 2023, 03:10:43 PM »

Straight or curvy or whatever, it seems unlikely to me that there are any engineering reasons that 80% or more of the Thruway's mileage needs a speed limit below 70 or even 75.
Someone mentioned that Northway, build roughly in the same timeframe, is designed for 75 MPH, and safety margin needs to be kept in mind
I believe stability of cars did improve over time, so 80-85 is not uncommon on Northway, and it  doesn't feel too bad.
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Re: New York
« Reply #6485 on: January 30, 2023, 06:25:19 PM »

The Northway's a lot curvier than the Thruway. MMM, have you even driven the Thruway?

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« Reply #6486 on: January 30, 2023, 06:38:26 PM »

Yes, to and from Albany. But I haven't driven I-90 yet. The Long Island Expressway and Sunrise Highway are much straighter. Have you even driven those. Speaking of the thruway, what's the status on electronic toll collection? Has it been fully converted to by mail (its been a year ot two since I drive on it).
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Re: New York
« Reply #6487 on: January 30, 2023, 08:40:35 PM »

Yes, to and from Albany. But I haven't driven I-90 yet. The Long Island Expressway and Sunrise Highway are much straighter. Have you even driven those. Speaking of the thruway, what's the status on electronic toll collection? Has it been fully converted to by mail (its been a year ot two since I drive on it).

The Thruway went all electronic in November 2020.
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Re: New York
« Reply #6488 on: January 30, 2023, 10:02:49 PM »

But I haven't driven I-90 yet.

Well, that explains quite a bit. I-495 is fairly straight east of Melville, but no straighter than this, for example, or this.

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Re: New York
« Reply #6489 on: January 30, 2023, 10:14:51 PM »

Those two are almost the same as sunrise highway in suffolk county. The roads are obviously much longer so they could use a higher speed limit for that reason, but in terms of design, it's not that different than long island.
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Re: New York
« Reply #6490 on: February 04, 2023, 08:22:06 AM »

The fact that you now have traffic jams as far east as Exit 68, doesn't give me much confidence in seeing the speed limit raised anywhere on the Long Island Expressway.

Portions of the Thruway getting a raise, I can understand.

I have seen traffic jams up to exit 64, but never 68. And speed limit shouldn't be set based on traffic levels because then you are punishing people for driving faster at times when there is less traffic. The thruway is curvier than the Long Island Expressway, so I-495 should be the first to get a speed limit raise. And as of now, I am not saying 75 mph (which it really should be), I am saying 65 mph just to match NYS's own speed limit law.

Maybe at rush hour.  If you head out east on a weekend, you're generally not going to see traffic jams that far out, especially if it's not at a time of the year when there's Hamptons traffic.  There's no good reason why going 65 MPH on there is any less safe than in any of the places where it's allowed.
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