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[peterj920]

WISDOT has an odd way of signing “TO” each highway which is evident in Green Bay. On I-43, there is a TO Wis 32 shield on the BGS with Wis 172 and I don’t think it’s needed since there’s many other exits that motorists are using besides the Wis 32/Ashland Ave. Yet on I-41, a TO Wis 32 shield is omitted from the Ashland Ave exit when it would be more appropriate to use since the exit is a direct connection with Wis 32. From Wis 32, the connection is signed as I-41 south.

Another place where TO signage would be useful is on I-41 south at Wis 60 where a TO Wis 164 sign would be useful since Wis 164 is close to I-41 and it’s a route that many motorists would use. On Wis 164 north, there is a To I-41 sign.

In other cases, WISDOT simply co-signs a highway with another to avoid using a “To” sign. Wis 91 is co-signed with Wis 44 to end at I-41 in Oshkosh and Wis 182 is co-signed with Wis 47 to US 51 instead of ending at the highways they run concurrent with.

[SEWIGuy]

Here is the sign in question in your first paragraph.

https://www.google.com/maps/@44.4497814,-87.9547582,3a,75y,288.19h,96.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sJYupWLJcrdMz81ppOAGq8Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

It is very odd. Think the TO sign should be for I-41.

[JREwing78]

Agreed. I suspect the Hwy 172 BGS is a relic that was never updated.

[Crash_It]

What isn't inconsistent in Wisconsin? Just drive around Kenosha and Racine county and you'll see.

Some examples

-County Highway K (60th St) supposedly ends at WIS31 but you see no signage indicating such and when traveling on WIS 31, there are signs saying that highway K continues east

https://maps.app.goo.gl/7ywNTgMrQj2Agd8F7

But when traveling further east on 60th, there are no signs indicating this.

Same thing with county Highway S, there's no END sign

https://maps.app.goo.gl/qkyWGUs74ridrii6A

The only signs that indicate that you are driving on County Highway G or Y, are the ones from the intersection with KR. Otherwise there's no clue as to when each of them begin or end.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/csgt2mjd6h4KbMFX8

https://maps.app.goo.gl/ZQmYU9ctTuXYwUEX6

This is probably my favorite one of them all. You do get a sign that tells you that WIS 158 (52nd St) ends at WIS32

https://maps.app.goo.gl/tG5JU1v4mvzp35dz5

However, this one contradicts it


https://maps.app.goo.gl/enwD7iQK2hX5ZpLP8

And finally, the only Wisconsin Highway that traverses the entirety of Kenosha county from East to West is WIS50 (until the widening project is done then it will be cut to WIS31).

I'm sure there are more examples than this but these are the biggest offenders. Perhaps, this should be it's own thread.

[SEWIGuy]

I don't recall ever seeing an end sign for a county highway in Wisconsin anywhere.  Regardless, county highways in urban locations are rather useless - they simply tell you about jurisdiction and not direction.

[Big John]

^^
https://goo.gl/maps/q7TgkCe3qS4Nnt9x7

[mgk920]

I don't recall ever seeing an end sign for a county highway in Wisconsin anywhere.  Regardless, county highways in urban locations are rather useless - they simply tell you about jurisdiction and not direction.

There are plenty of 'end' County (xx) signs here in the Appleton, WI  area, too.

Example, SB Ballard Rd (Outagamie County 'E')approaching Northland Ave (Outagamie County 'OO'/old US 41) in Appleton:
https://goo.gl/maps/AQMt5YLgqjyzExpY6

County 'E' was cut back from Wisconsin Ave (WI 96) a few years ago, too, and that part of Ballard Rd is now an Appleton city street.

Mike

[SEWIGuy]

Well, I obviously misremembered, but again I don't think a lack of end signs for county highways in urban areas is that big of a deal.

[peterj920]

I don't recall ever seeing an end sign for a county highway in Wisconsin anywhere.  Regardless, county highways in urban locations are rather useless - they simply tell you about jurisdiction and not direction.

There are plenty of 'end' County (xx) signs here in the Appleton, WI  area, too.

Example, SB Ballard Rd (Outagamie County 'E')approaching Northland Ave (Outagamie County 'OO'/old US 41) in Appleton:
https://goo.gl/maps/AQMt5YLgqjyzExpY6

County 'E' was cut back from Wisconsin Ave (WI 96) a few years ago, too, and that part of Ballard Rd is now an Appleton city street.

Mike

County KK once went along John St in Appleton but there wasn’t an end sign anywhere. The street was redone and now County KK ends at John St with an end sign on Calumet Street. In nearby Chilton County F ended at US 151 in the city. State Street was redone and County F ends at State Street now with no connection to US 151. It’s signed as “To F.”

Calumet County is trying to eliminate county highways in urban areas which is why County LP was removed after it was redone.

[Crash_It]

I don't recall ever seeing an end sign for a county highway in Wisconsin anywhere.  Regardless, county highways in urban locations are rather useless - they simply tell you about jurisdiction and not direction.

There's no end sign for County Highway H here either

https://maps.app.goo.gl/Bi5UQJ6ccLxKveYy7


In Illinois, county highways don't seem to enter large municipalities either but at least you get a sign stating as such. Like here


https://maps.app.goo.gl/RLS2eUbjQwdhxeDeA

Here

2205 Cty W34
https://maps.app.goo.gl/MQuxGFQ79HbZo7HQ6

And here

https://maps.app.goo.gl/WQTsZD6Kh6aG7hir6

[TheHighwayMan394]

County designations in cities don't really matter much to the general motorist, since the street name will almost universally be preferred to the county route designation (unless the county route number is the only name for the road), even in somewhere like MSP that the county routes are generally well-signed at all levels.

[Crash_It]

County designations in cities don't really matter much to the general motorist, since the street name will almost universally be preferred to the county route designation (unless the county route number is the only name for the road), even in somewhere like MSP that the county routes are generally well-signed at all levels.

Yeah I've been there. The county roads are even signed on the traffic signals and they go through the cities

[skluth]

This "END XX" sign in Allouez has been there since I was a kid.

[TheHighwayMan394]

County designations in cities don't really matter much to the general motorist, since the street name will almost universally be preferred to the county route designation (unless the county route number is the only name for the road), even in somewhere like MSP that the county routes are generally well-signed at all levels.

Yeah I've been there. The county roads are even signed on the traffic signals and they go through the cities

This has created occasional headaches for the core cities when they want to more promptly deal with what they see as a problem street but are hamstrung by the fact it's not under their jurisdiction. I get the sense Lyndale Avenue south of I-94 and the Hennepin Avenue split is one of these.

[SEWIGuy]

This "END XX" sign in Allouez has been there since I was a kid.

And I just drove through that intersection last week... 

[Crash_It]

County designations in cities don't really matter much to the general motorist, since the street name will almost universally be preferred to the county route designation (unless the county route number is the only name for the road), even in somewhere like MSP that the county routes are generally well-signed at all levels.

Yeah I've been there. The county roads are even signed on the traffic signals and they go through the cities

This has created occasional headaches for the core cities when they want to more promptly deal with what they see as a problem street but are hamstrung by the fact it's not under their jurisdiction. I get the sense Lyndale Avenue south of I-94 and the Hennepin Avenue split is one of these.

Might be different in Minnesota but in Illinois and Wisconsin especially, lots of municipalities rarely do anything to the roads , driving through Kenosha would make that extremely evident County and state maintained roads usually are in better condition.

[peterj920]

County designations in cities don't really matter much to the general motorist, since the street name will almost universally be preferred to the county route designation (unless the county route number is the only name for the road), even in somewhere like MSP that the county routes are generally well-signed at all levels.

Yeah I've been there. The county roads are even signed on the traffic signals and they go through the cities

This has created occasional headaches for the core cities when they want to more promptly deal with what they see as a problem street but are hamstrung by the fact it's not under their jurisdiction. I get the sense Lyndale Avenue south of I-94 and the Hennepin Avenue split is one of these.

In urbanized areas of Wisconsin, state highways are under the jurisdiction of the city and are connecting highways in which WISDOT gives connecting highway funds to the cities.

WISDOT has lists and maps of all connecting highways below:
https://wisconsindot.gov/Pages/projects/data-plan/plan-res/connecting.aspx

[JoePCool14]

What isn't inconsistent in Wisconsin? Just drive around Kenosha and Racine county and you'll see.

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This is probably my favorite one of them all. You do get a sign that tells you that WIS 158 (52nd St) ends at WIS32

https://maps.app.goo.gl/tG5JU1v4mvzp35dz5

However, this one contradicts it


https://maps.app.goo.gl/enwD7iQK2hX5ZpLP8

For the record, WI-158 may have previously ended a bit east of WI-32, for some reason.
https://goo.gl/maps/PdE426jWJWLfeQDAA

I was just down there last weekend, but I didn't drive east of WI-32. So I don't know if this sign was removed or not.

Also, can you cite where you heard that WI-50 was going to be truncated to WI-31? I can't find anything about it on WisDOT's website.

[peterj920]

What isn't inconsistent in Wisconsin? Just drive around Kenosha and Racine county and you'll see.

...

This is probably my favorite one of them all. You do get a sign that tells you that WIS 158 (52nd St) ends at WIS32

https://maps.app.goo.gl/tG5JU1v4mvzp35dz5

However, this one contradicts it


https://maps.app.goo.gl/enwD7iQK2hX5ZpLP8

For the record, WI-158 may have previously ended a bit east of WI-32, for some reason.
https://goo.gl/maps/PdE426jWJWLfeQDAA

I was just down there last weekend, but I didn't drive east of WI-32. So I don't know if this sign was removed or not.

Also, can you cite where you heard that WI-50 was going to be truncated to WI-31? I can't find anything about it on WisDOT's website.

I did look at the Wis 50 site and it no longer mentions ending at Wis 31. It did in the past.

On the Wisconsinhighways.org site, and the Wisconsin Trunkline map, it still shows Wis 158 ending east of Wis 32 at 6th Street in Kenosha. The site states that in 1958, 52nd street in Kenosha was designated as Wis 158.

Speaking of Wis 158, County S has become the better route as Kenosha County has expanded it to four lanes to I-94 while Wis 158 is still 2 lanes.


Links below:

http://www.wisconsinhighways.org/listings/WiscHwys150-159.html#STH-158

https://wisconsindot.gov/Documents/travel/road/hwy-maps/kenosha.pdf

[JoePCool14]

What isn't inconsistent in Wisconsin? Just drive around Kenosha and Racine county and you'll see.

...

This is probably my favorite one of them all. You do get a sign that tells you that WIS 158 (52nd St) ends at WIS32

https://maps.app.goo.gl/tG5JU1v4mvzp35dz5

However, this one contradicts it


https://maps.app.goo.gl/enwD7iQK2hX5ZpLP8

For the record, WI-158 may have previously ended a bit east of WI-32, for some reason.
https://goo.gl/maps/PdE426jWJWLfeQDAA

I was just down there last weekend, but I didn't drive east of WI-32. So I don't know if this sign was removed or not.

Also, can you cite where you heard that WI-50 was going to be truncated to WI-31? I can't find anything about it on WisDOT's website.

I did look at the Wis 50 site and it no longer mentions ending at Wis 31. It did in the past.

Okay. I wonder if that part of the deal fell through then. Regardless of the reason, I'm in support of WI-50 going all the way to WI-32.

[dvferyance]

I don't recall ever seeing an end sign for a county highway in Wisconsin anywhere.  Regardless, county highways in urban locations are rather useless - they simply tell you about jurisdiction and not direction.

Waukesha County has them basically everywhere.

[dvferyance]

What isn't inconsistent in Wisconsin? Just drive around Kenosha and Racine county and you'll see.

...

This is probably my favorite one of them all. You do get a sign that tells you that WIS 158 (52nd St) ends at WIS32

https://maps.app.goo.gl/tG5JU1v4mvzp35dz5

However, this one contradicts it


https://maps.app.goo.gl/enwD7iQK2hX5ZpLP8

For the record, WI-158 may have previously ended a bit east of WI-32, for some reason.
https://goo.gl/maps/PdE426jWJWLfeQDAA

I was just down there last weekend, but I didn't drive east of WI-32. So I don't know if this sign was removed or not.

Also, can you cite where you heard that WI-50 was going to be truncated to WI-31? I can't find anything about it on WisDOT's website.

I did look at the Wis 50 site and it no longer mentions ending at Wis 31. It did in the past.

On the Wisconsinhighways.org site, and the Wisconsin Trunkline map, it still shows Wis 158 ending east of Wis 32 at 6th Street in Kenosha. The site states that in 1958, 52nd street in Kenosha was designated as Wis 158.

Speaking of Wis 158, County S has become the better route as Kenosha County has expanded it to four lanes to I-94 while Wis 158 is still 2 lanes.


Links below:

http://www.wisconsinhighways.org/listings/WiscHwys150-159.html#STH-158

https://wisconsindot.gov/Documents/travel/road/hwy-maps/kenosha.pdf

Yeah I wondered when the expansion was done was WI-142 going to be extended back east to at least WI-31. Does not appear to be the case. It seems unusual that such a major wide 4 lane highway which has a state highway feel to it would just be left a county road.

[Crash_It]

What isn't inconsistent in Wisconsin? Just drive around Kenosha and Racine county and you'll see.

...

This is probably my favorite one of them all. You do get a sign that tells you that WIS 158 (52nd St) ends at WIS32

https://maps.app.goo.gl/tG5JU1v4mvzp35dz5

However, this one contradicts it


https://maps.app.goo.gl/enwD7iQK2hX5ZpLP8

For the record, WI-158 may have previously ended a bit east of WI-32, for some reason.
https://goo.gl/maps/PdE426jWJWLfeQDAA

I was just down there last weekend, but I didn't drive east of WI-32. So I don't know if this sign was removed or not.

Also, can you cite where you heard that WI-50 was going to be truncated to WI-31? I can't find anything about it on WisDOT's website.

I did look at the Wis 50 site and it no longer mentions ending at Wis 31. It did in the past.

Okay. I wonder if that part of the deal fell through then. Regardless of the reason, I'm in support of WI-50 going all the way to WI-32.

Especially since it's the only Wisconsin State Highway that traverses the whole county from East to West vs in Lake County IL there are several choices.

[JoePCool14]

Especially since it's the only Wisconsin State Highway that traverses the whole county from East to West vs in Lake County IL there are several choices.

I still prefer one WI-50 over the several inadequate IL routes, IL-173, IL-176, and IL-120.

[Crash_It]

Especially since it's the only Wisconsin State Highway that traverses the whole county from East to West vs in Lake County IL there are several choices.

I still prefer one WI-50 over the several inadequate IL routes, IL-173, IL-176, and IL-120.

It's not that they're inadequate, if people knew how to drive they would be fine, especially 176 through Ivanhoe. So many drivers are terrified of those curves and hills. WiSDOT doesn't know how to properly time and synchronize the traffic lights. You'll stop at every single light on both WIS50 and WIS31.