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Title: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: MaxConcrete on December 04, 2019, 07:49:33 PM
This will convert the freeway, which is mostly still in its original configuration from its 1956 opening, into a 6-lane boulevard with some architectural enhancements. This freeway removal was part of the plan to get South Dallas support for the Trinity Parkway, which of course has been canceled. (The Trinity Parkway would have been a continuation of the new connector.)

Views of the existing freeway: http://dfwfreeways.com/us175/driving-wright (http://dfwfreeways.com/us175/driving-wright)

US 175 is (or will be) routed on the new connector from the sharp corner to IH 45. Does anyone know if the connector is open to traffic?

http://www.dot.state.tx.us/insdtdot/orgchart/cmd/cserve/bidtab/12033001.htm (http://www.dot.state.tx.us/insdtdot/orgchart/cmd/cserve/bidtab/12033001.htm)

County:   DALLAS   Let Date:   12/03/19
Type:   RECONSTRUCT FREEWAY TO 6 LANE DIVIDED ARTERIAL   Seq No:   3001
Time:   0 X   Project ID:   NH 2013(596)
Highway:   US 175   Contract #:   12193001
Length:   5.544   CCSJ:   0092-01-052
Limits:   
From:   SOUTH OF BUDD STREET   Check:   $100,000
To:   IH 45   Misc Cost:   $1500000.00
Estimate   $88,513,084.97   % Over/Under   Company
Bidder 1   $88,478,471.49   -0.04%   JOHNSON BROS. CORPORATION, A SOUTHLAND COMPANY
Bidder 2   $93,733,770.00   +5.90%   WEBBER, LLC
Bidder 3   $100,899,669.77   +13.99%   ZACHRY CONSTRUCTION CORPORATION


Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: debragga on December 04, 2019, 10:16:07 PM
I drove on US 175 into downtown last week and it wasn't open yet. I couldn't find any news about when it would open online either
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: Beltway on December 04, 2019, 10:32:27 PM
The radical environmentalist/transit groups will undoubtedly pleased.
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: Bobby5280 on December 05, 2019, 01:25:31 AM
In all fairness, the old South Central Freeway is largely unneeded since I-45 is just a few blocks to the West. This freeway removal project will not remove the C F Hawn Freeway, which is a far more significant stretch of road leading out the the SE outskirts of Dallas. The new connector from I-45 to the C F Hawn Freeway might actually make the connection to that SE route more efficient.
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: sprjus4 on December 05, 2019, 05:31:44 AM
The radical environmentalist/transit groups will undoubtedly pleased.
I would generally agree, but the short segment is being demolished because it was slightly realigned to meet I-45 a couple miles south of the current junction. Once the new link opens, the old freeway will be pointless.

At first, I thought it was referring to the entire freeway between I-45 and I-20, but itís only that short stretch being bypassed by the new connector. Nothing like I-81 in Syracuse per se, or the proposal to demolish part of the US-75 freeway north of I-30 which is a major freeway leaving downtown to the north, and is a long-distance freeway extending well north of the metro to Oklahoma.

Edit - Here's a map of the situation. The red represents the segment that will be demolished, the green represents the new direct connector to I-45. The US-175 freeway east of I-45 will not be demolished.

(https://i.ibb.co/G9VRCpF/US175-Freeway-Removal.png)

Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: Beltway on December 05, 2019, 06:33:01 AM
The radical environmentalist/transit groups will undoubtedly pleased.
I would generally agree, but the short segment is being demolished because it was slightly realigned to meet I-45 a couple miles south of the current junction. Once the new link opens, the old freeway will be pointless.
That makes sense Ö that will make a system improvement.

A 3.0 mile segment of I-40 was relocated from downtown Oklahoma City to 1/2 mile south, to deal with the problem of an old 6-lane viaduct, and provided an 8-lane new highway segment.  In an overall scheme of things, not a "freeway removal."  Same with the Dallas segment.
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: Phudman on December 05, 2019, 09:28:42 AM
That east bound curve on US 175 is the worst section of freeway in the DFW area. Good riddance!
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: Henry on December 05, 2019, 09:41:11 AM
Hell yes, it needs to go! And kudos to the city planners for building the new freeway link, making the old road redundant.
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: mgk920 on December 05, 2019, 11:11:20 AM
The piece of road always struck me as being something that was just kind of bodged together over time using the major existing traffic carriers as they evolved.  That crossover should have been built when the original I-45 was built.

I agree, that is a freeway relocation, just like I-30 in downtown Fort Worth was a couple of decades ago, not a 'removal'.

Mike
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: Chris on December 05, 2019, 11:44:29 AM
That east bound curve on US 175 is the worst section of freeway in the DFW area. Good riddance!

I believe it was first built as a US 75 freeway which was a precursor to I-45. The southern extension is now SH 310. It makes you wonder if it was ever signed as I-45 before the modern I-45 opened to traffic.

US 175 has a 20 mph curve for through traffic, something like that doesn't belong on a mainline freeway.

(https://i.imgur.com/sWvQOHa.jpg)

The imagery on Google Earth is dated 9/8/2019 and you can see the project almost completed. But they don't seem to have widened I-45 beyond its existing six lanes. So there are basically twelve lanes of traffic merging into six at that location.
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: MaxConcrete on December 05, 2019, 07:37:27 PM
But they don't seem to have widened I-45 beyond its existing six lanes. So there are basically twelve lanes of traffic merging into six at that location.

I'm nearly certain the interior shoulders of I-45 are being converted to traffic lanes, to make it 4x4. I haven't driven that segment since May, but work was well underway at that time. Yes, it's still going to be a problem to merge US 175 traffic into I-45.

For those not familiar, that section of I-45 was the site of the first major anti-freeway controversy in Dallas, which was in 1970. Original plans called for an elevated freeway. The very low income, predominantly black area protested and received substantial political backing. so TxDOT lowered the freeway to the ground and built it on the narrowest possible right-of-way. Even though the properties along the freeway are very substandard and distressed (and include a liquor store with a Big Tex sign), there was no way local interests were going to let TxDOT widen the right-of-way. Hence, the conversion of the interior shoulders into traffic lanes. It will be interested to see how much of a traffic issue develops on that section.

Some more background from the book. I cite this as the first removal of a structurally sound, non-dead-end freeway. Although (as some have noted) this could be classified as a relocation, even though it is only for a fraction of the original length. In my view, this would be a relocation if the new freeway connected to both endpoints of the removed freeway, which is not the case.
(http://dfwfreeways.com/images/book/ChDallasFreeways/06_dallas_freeways-302.jpg)


Here's an excellent view of the entire corridor
(http://dfwfreeways.com/images/book/ChDallasFreeways/06_dallas_freeways-301.jpg)
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: -- US 175 -- on December 06, 2019, 12:31:28 PM
Quote from: sprjus4
(https://i.ibb.co/G9VRCpF/US175-Freeway-Removal.png)

IMO (and I'm sure I'll be in the minority on this), the other 2 movements (WB=>SB, NB=>EB) should be included in this project, especially since this is a terminus, and a fix for a problem that went on for entirely too long.  Even if the predominant traffic flow is and will be the 2 movements being built now, there will be little support to go back and add the other 2 movements any time soon (if the length of time the S. Central (now S.M.Wright)/C.F. Hawn "interchange" went without help or replacement, is any indication).
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: rte66man on December 06, 2019, 02:26:50 PM
The radical environmentalist/transit groups will undoubtedly pleased.
I would generally agree, but the short segment is being demolished because it was slightly realigned to meet I-45 a couple miles south of the current junction. Once the new link opens, the old freeway will be pointless.
That makes sense Ö that will make a system improvement.

A 3.0 mile segment of I-40 was relocated from downtown Oklahoma City to 1/2 mile south, to deal with the problem of an old 6-lane viaduct, and provided an 8-lane new highway segment.  In an overall scheme of things, not a "freeway removal."  Same with the Dallas segment.

The new section of I40 is 10 lanes from Shields west to the western OKC Boulevard interchange. It only narrows there due to the antiquated Amarillo junction
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: Bobby5280 on December 06, 2019, 11:33:55 PM
Yeah, and even though the I-44/I-40 junction is Oklahoma's only effective directional Interstate interchange, that thing really needs to be replaced soon. The ramp geometry is not very good (limited to around 40mph) and there's a number of left exits. That site is a natural for a modern four level stack interchange. If that spot was Texas territory there would be a big tall stack there already.
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: Brian556 on December 07, 2019, 12:40:07 PM
That east bound curve on US 175 is the worst section of freeway in the DFW area. Good riddance!

I believe it was first built as a US 75 freeway which was a precursor to I-45. The southern extension is now SH 310. It makes you wonder if it was ever signed as I-45 before the modern I-45 opened to traffic.

US 175 has a 20 mph curve for through traffic, something like that doesn't belong on a mainline freeway.

(https://i.imgur.com/sWvQOHa.jpg)

The imagery on Google Earth is dated 9/8/2019 and you can see the project almost completed. But they don't seem to have widened I-45 beyond its existing six lanes. So there are basically twelve lanes of traffic merging into six at that location.

The 1961 Dallas County General Highway Map shows an I-45 shield on the old highway: https://tslarc.tsl.texas.gov/maps/map05105.jpg (https://tslarc.tsl.texas.gov/maps/map05105.jpg)
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: dfwmapper on December 11, 2019, 12:28:36 AM
IMO (and I'm sure I'll be in the minority on this), the other 2 movements (WB=>SB, NB=>EB) should be included in this project, especially since this is a terminus, and a fix for a problem that went on for entirely too long.  Even if the predominant traffic flow is and will be the 2 movements being built now, there will be little support to go back and add the other 2 movements any time soon (if the length of time the S. Central (now S.M.Wright)/C.F. Hawn "interchange" went without help or replacement, is any indication).
Adding that would have killed the project completely. Too many trees and acres of wetlands would have had to have been removed to build the other ramps. Plus there's not really any need for it. I-20 and Loop 12 provide adequate connections to that part of town, and the new configuration of the Loop 175/SH 310 interchange will add a third connection.
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: rte66man on December 14, 2019, 10:30:29 AM
That east bound curve on US 175 is the worst section of freeway in the DFW area. Good riddance!

I believe it was first built as a US 75 freeway which was a precursor to I-45. The southern extension is now SH 310. It makes you wonder if it was ever signed as I-45 before the modern I-45 opened to traffic.

US 175 has a 20 mph curve for through traffic, something like that doesn't belong on a mainline freeway.

(https://i.imgur.com/sWvQOHa.jpg)

The imagery on Google Earth is dated 9/8/2019 and you can see the project almost completed. But they don't seem to have widened I-45 beyond its existing six lanes. So there are basically twelve lanes of traffic merging into six at that location.

The 1961 Dallas County General Highway Map shows an I-45 shield on the old highway: https://tslarc.tsl.texas.gov/maps/map05105.jpg (https://tslarc.tsl.texas.gov/maps/map05105.jpg)

IIRC, it had I45 shields. We used to travel from OK to Houston in the mid yo late 60's. I was a road geek at a very early age and tracked such stuff. Probably drove my parents crazy but they didn't say anything......
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: bugo on December 20, 2019, 10:00:00 AM
The piece of road always struck me as being something that was just kind of bodged together over time using the major existing traffic carriers as they evolved.  That crossover should have been built when the original I-45 was built.

The ramp that US 175 follows through the curve was not always a mainline highway. At one time, US 75 and possibly I-45 followed the Central Expressway and the exit with the sharp curve in it was originally the beginning of US 175. That's why it is the way it is. It wasn't built to carry a mainline US highway, but an exit from one to the beginning of another. It is still way substandard but it makes a little more sense when you learn that it wasn't always the mainline.
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: bugo on December 20, 2019, 10:35:53 AM

I believe it was first built as a US 75 freeway which was a precursor to I-45. The southern extension is now SH 310. It makes you wonder if it was ever signed as I-45 before the modern I-45 opened to traffic.

The 1961 Dallas County General Highway Map shows an I-45 shield on the old highway: https://tslarc.tsl.texas.gov/maps/map05105.jpg (https://tslarc.tsl.texas.gov/maps/map05105.jpg)

This map shows the Central Expressway marked as FAI (Federal Aid Interstate) beginning at the junction of it and the Good-Latimer Expressway all the way to the county line. That indicates that it was indeed I-45. Here is a small excerpt:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49247864438_54c72d716c_z.jpg)

Here is a topo map from 1968 showing I-45 routed along the Central Expressway:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49248330491_48abfbaac0_o.png)
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: Brian556 on December 20, 2019, 12:27:12 PM

I believe it was first built as a US 75 freeway which was a precursor to I-45. The southern extension is now SH 310. It makes you wonder if it was ever signed as I-45 before the modern I-45 opened to traffic.

The 1961 Dallas County General Highway Map shows an I-45 shield on the old highway: https://tslarc.tsl.texas.gov/maps/map05105.jpg (https://tslarc.tsl.texas.gov/maps/map05105.jpg)

This map shows the Central Expressway marked as FAI (Federal Aid Interstate) beginning at the junction of it and the Good-Latimer Expressway all the way to the county line. That indicates that it was indeed I-45. Here is a small excerpt:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49247864438_54c72d716c_z.jpg)

Here is a topo map from 1968 showing I-45 routed along the Central Expressway:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49248330491_48abfbaac0_o.png)

The 1961 THD Dallas Co General Highway Map shows an I-45 shield just north of where you cut it off
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: The Ghostbuster on December 23, 2019, 04:08:32 PM
Would it have been possible to make the new US 175/Interstate 45 interchange a full interchange instead of a partial interchange? Or would that have been overkill?
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: NE2 on December 23, 2019, 09:38:37 PM
Would it have been possible to make the new US 175/Interstate 45 interchange a full interchange instead of a partial interchange? Or would that have been overkill?
Read the fucking thread.
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: Alps on December 23, 2019, 10:38:22 PM
Would it have been possible to make the new US 175/Interstate 45 interchange a full interchange instead of a partial interchange? Or would that have been overkill?
Read the fucking thread.
A little more polite: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=26040.msg2462553#msg2462553
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: bugo on December 24, 2019, 05:49:07 AM
Would it have been possible to make the new US 175/Interstate 45 interchange a full interchange instead of a partial interchange? Or would that have been overkill?
Read the fucking thread.
A little more polite: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=26040.msg2462553#msg2462553

SPUI polite?
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: -- US 175 -- on December 24, 2019, 11:44:13 PM
Would it have been possible to make the new US 175/Interstate 45 interchange a full interchange instead of a partial interchange? Or would that have been overkill?

There's not really much in that area except junk and scrap yards, a major UP (and others allowed) RR corridor, and the Trinity River bottoms.  Not much there that would be a barrier to having the other 2 movements.  Maybe in the future, they can be added.
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: jeffandnicole on December 24, 2019, 11:48:57 PM
Would it have been possible to make the new US 175/Interstate 45 interchange a full interchange instead of a partial interchange? Or would that have been overkill?

There's not really much in that area except junk and scrap yards, a major UP (and others allowed) RR corridor, and the Trinity River bottoms.  Not much there that would be a barrier to having the other 2 movements.  Maybe in the future, they can be added.

Except that the land is still owned by someone, and the owner can make it a real headache to sell or be taken by the state
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: -- US 175 -- on December 24, 2019, 11:57:12 PM
It's fortunate that there wasn't much ROW needed for the project.
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: armadillo speedbump on December 26, 2019, 11:27:28 AM
A north 45 to southeast 175 direct connector and vice versa would mostly be a pointless waste of money.  If one looks at a map they will see that most of the area in between is the floodplain for 2 branches of the Trinity River.  I think the government has bought out properties within that floodplain, thus no further development is expected to take place there.  The areas beyond that would be reached about as fast by simply using the existing Loop 12 river crossing (or I-20.)  So those missing direct connects are not needed.

Edit:  I should add, the area in question has been represented by brazenly corrupt politicians on all levels for my entire lifetime.  So it is still possible that wasteful, unneeded projects could be built, cuz pork.
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: In_Correct on December 26, 2019, 12:06:09 PM
 It would be better for the entire Interchange be constructed eventually. If they are going to move U.S. 175 there to get rid of the very sharp curve, I understand that, but they should have a complete Interchange.


As for the road north of the new, straighter, but partial Interchange: If the traffic is still high on it they should have kept the bridges and exits.
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: dfwmapper on January 03, 2020, 05:05:54 PM
The City of Dallas owns all the land, and the USACE has put in a lot of work in the last decade to build new wetlands to improve flood control and provide new wildlife habitats, as well as reforesting some areas. The final phase of the project is extending the levees south from the current end at the DART crossing to I-45 (north/east bank) and the water treatment plant (south/west bank). It's pretty easy to see a lot of potential section 4(f) issues if something ever got to the EIS phase, just from the wildlife impacts and all the planned trails through the area. Then there's the complete lack of local support for freeway projects in the riverbed after the tollway fiasco.
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: usends on January 15, 2020, 04:09:45 PM
Anyone aware of an updated opening date for the direct connectors between I-45 and US 175?  The document on the project website says it was expected to be open by the end of 2019, but it was published back in 2017.
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: Chris on January 16, 2020, 11:49:19 AM
The TxDOT project tracker may normally be of help, but strangely enough it doesn't feature this project: http://apps.dot.state.tx.us/apps-cq/project_tracker/

Unless it is already open to traffic?
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: debragga on January 16, 2020, 06:54:00 PM
I should be going through there in a few weeks, I'll be able to update. But I would think there would be some news about it online if it opened up already.
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: -- US 175 -- on January 17, 2020, 10:54:47 AM
I've seen nothing in the local print or TV media that has announced any opening of the new US 175 terminus to traffic.  I would think something would have been said by either or both by now if so, simply from the amount of airplay that bad wrecks at the dead-man's-curve have gotten over the years, plus the debate over how exactly to arrange the parkway-boulevard that S.M. Wright will become.
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: dfwmapper on January 21, 2020, 06:12:51 PM
It wasn't open when I went by on I-45 last week, and they hadn't even striped the ramp yet. I'll be heading down US 175 in the next few days so I'll report back on the status.
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: The Ghostbuster on January 21, 2020, 06:29:56 PM
On the eastern end of US 175, I heard a rumor (can't remember where) that once more of Interstate 69 is constructed in Texas, US 69 between Jacksonville and Port Arthur will become an extension of US 175 to avoid confusion between Interstate 69 and US 69. Is this accurate, or is this rumor I once encountered an unsubstantiated one?
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: -- US 175 -- on January 22, 2020, 08:35:27 AM
On the eastern end of US 175, I heard a rumor (can't remember where) that once more of Interstate 69 is constructed in Texas, US 69 between Jacksonville and Port Arthur will become an extension of US 175 to avoid confusion between Interstate 69 and US 69. Is this accurate, or is this rumor I once encountered an unsubstantiated one?

I've heard nothing officially about that.  Would be a great idea to not have 2 major east TX highways with the same numbering.  In a historical sense, it would be a partial full-circle as both US 175, and US 69 between Jacksonville and Beaumont, were part of the original TX 40 (before that designation was taken away, then used again later in College Station).  It would also tend to help the case of US 175 being currently too short for AASHTO, even though the designation has been around for nearly 90 years, with little change in length in all that time.

The only thing I've heard in the last few years was by way of conversation with an official or engineer at the Tyler TxDOT office.  He said there's been informal talk of possibly taking in the routing of TX 204 to extend US 175 further SE to connect to I-69; there was nothing specific as to an exact possible terminus, though (end at US 259 like TX 204 does, end with US 259 at US 59(/I-69) in north Nacogdoches, or a new routing somewhere else like Appleby (which would be the closest town to a further SE alignment from where TX 204 runs, if it continued east of US 259) so US 175 would have its own separate terminus on US 59(/I-69) without sharing an overlap with US 259).  In any event, if any extension like that were to occur, discussion would likely take place regarding widening, as US 175 is used quite a bit by truckers and is considered an important hurricane evacuation route.

So, consider it rumor for now I guess, till we find out differently later on.
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: dfwmapper on January 24, 2020, 03:30:37 PM
Took a trip through the construction zone today. Looks like all the paving of the main lanes is done, including the tie-ins to the existing pavement, which hadn't been completed the last time I was through. Most, but not all, of the center divider is up as well. The soundwalls along the south are complete, but they're only about half done on the north side, with the rest just having rebar in place. The new northbound lanes for SH 310 are mostly complete, but southbound just has part of the base course down and will probably need to wait for the new lanes to open so they can remove the existing pavement to progress further.

There are full closures of I-45 scheduled for tonight and Monday night, which I'd imagine are either to do striping or overhead signage work.
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: motorola870 on January 28, 2020, 05:18:55 PM
A north 45 to southeast 175 direct connector and vice versa would mostly be a pointless waste of money.  If one looks at a map they will see that most of the area in between is the floodplain for 2 branches of the Trinity River.  I think the government has bought out properties within that floodplain, thus no further development is expected to take place there.  The areas beyond that would be reached about as fast by simply using the existing Loop 12 river crossing (or I-20.)  So those missing direct connects are not needed.

Edit:  I should add, the area in question has been represented by brazenly corrupt politicians on all levels for my entire lifetime.  So it is still possible that wasteful, unneeded projects could be built, cuz pork.
It is not waste. Why should a US route not have direct connectors from all directions to a Interstate? These days that is nonsense in most rebuilds they are adding them and extensions are getting them by default. I saw the construction in the currect form it is a waste looks to be rushed together and not even considering people in South Dallas needing a direct connect to go to Kaufman instead of having to drive south on I45 and east on I20. There is no reason for this. If TXDOT is going to remove the old freeway build the replacement right now instead of half way doing it that will need more ROW in 20 years. Cramming more traffic on to I20 and loop 12 is not a solution. I20 is already stressed as it is in the inner loops from Fort Worth to Mesquite at I635 split.
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: dfwmapper on January 29, 2020, 03:09:12 AM
If you're on Illinois near I-45, backtracking north on I-45 to go east on US 175 would add more time and distance to get to the US 175/I-20 interchange than going south on I-45 and east on I-20. And where are these mythical travelers between South Dallas (or more accurately, Cedar Crest) and Kaufman going anyway? Kaufman is a bedroom community with nothing that would pull in traffic from anywhere in Dallas except people going home. And on the Cedar Crest side, the only traffic driver of note is the VA hospital, which is too far south to see any benefit from those connectors. Anyone coming in from the south is either taking US 67/I-35E/I-45 to Loop 12 or I-20 to Lancaster Road, and anyone in the Pleasant Grove area is taking Loop 12.
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: debragga on February 22, 2020, 10:25:28 AM
Phase 1 will be done this weekend: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcdfw.com/news/traffic/dangerous-north-texas-intersection-known-as-dead-mans-curve-to-be-removed/2315655/%3famp
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: -- US 175 -- on February 22, 2020, 10:32:27 AM
According to this:
https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/traffic/dangerous-north-texas-intersection-known-as-dead-mans-curve-to-be-removed/2315655/

the long (**long**)-awaited fix to a 56-year-old problem seems to finally be in sight, as TxDOT crews are now in the process of switching US 175 traffic to the new connection and I-45 terminus.  The old interchange, which opened in January 1964, served as US 175's west terminus until US 75 was truncated to Dallas in 1988.  For the last 32 years, the previous terminus has become a dangerous dog-leg turn that many locals refer to as 'Dead Man's Curve', a transition between C.F. Hawn Freeway and S.M. Wright Freeway.  Thankfully, the wait for a solution seems to finally be over.

Now, the next phase, converting S.M. Wright Freeway to a parkway/boulevard, can commence.  Hopefully that work will progress and conclude smoothly.
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: debragga on February 22, 2020, 03:14:55 PM
My mom said she drove on the new ramp going east, but it was "all white with no marks and some barricades still up" so she wasn't sure if it was supposed to be open or not.
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: D-Dey65 on February 22, 2020, 03:30:06 PM
The piece of road always struck me as being something that was just kind of bodged together over time using the major existing traffic carriers as they evolved.  That crossover should have been built when the original I-45 was built.

I agree, that is a freeway relocation, just like I-30 in downtown Fort Worth was a couple of decades ago, not a 'removal'.

Mike
If that wasn't the case, I'd bring up the hazards of Queens Boulevard as a comparison.

Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: bwana39 on February 22, 2020, 04:54:20 PM
They are supposed to be opeining it this weekend (01/21/2020)

Would it have been possible to make the new US 175/Interstate 45 interchange a full interchange instead of a partial interchange? Or would that have been overkill?

There's not really much in that area except junk and scrap yards, a major UP (and others allowed) RR corridor, and the Trinity River bottoms.  Not much there that would be a barrier to having the other 2 movements.  Maybe in the future, they can be added.

Except that the land is still owned by someone, and the owner can make it a real headache to sell or be taken by the state
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: debragga on February 24, 2020, 05:26:55 PM
I've been hearing that the eastbound ramp is now open, but westbound is not. Also any eastbound traffic that exits from I-45 too early and takes the soon-to-be-demolished freeway portion is forced to exit before Dead Man's Curve, with a long detour to get back to US 175.
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: bwana39 on February 24, 2020, 09:27:21 PM
On the eastern end of US 175, I heard a rumor (can't remember where) that once more of Interstate 69 is constructed in Texas, US 69 between Jacksonville and Port Arthur will become an extension of US 175 to avoid confusion between Interstate 69 and US 69. Is this accurate, or is this rumor I once encountered an unsubstantiated one?

I probably started that one. It is the best option, but Lufkin TXDOT is set to keep it as is.
So while it will cause little to no confusion to we Texans who use the term Interstate XX whenever we mention an interstate (To us it would be Interstate 69 meeting Highway <or US> 69) To people from other areas, that call every road Route or Highway, it will be route (ROOT) 69 meeting Route 69.

I have been adamant that it should either be US 175, US 271, or in a drastic start over US 75.
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: dfwmapper on February 24, 2020, 10:30:47 PM
I've been hearing that the eastbound ramp is now open, but westbound is not. Also any eastbound traffic that exits from I-45 too early and takes the soon-to-be-demolished freeway portion is forced to exit before Dead Man's Curve, with a long detour to get back to US 175.
This is correct.

All SB traffic on S.M. Wright is forced to exit at Elsie Faye Heggins St. (formerly Hatcher St.). I don't know what the actual detour is, but I hope it's taking that to 2nd Ave., not driving through the neighborhood and using the Railroad Ave. entrance. For what it's worth, the BGSes along SB I-45 were replaced with new ones that only refer to S.M. Wright Freeway (no highway shield at all), and there's a portable VMS in the gore point at the exit directing SB US 175 traffic to use the new exit, but I didn't see any advance signage warning people of the change in traffic pattern.
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: wxfree on February 28, 2020, 08:36:18 AM
Google Maps now shows the eastbound ramp, but as of right now it won't give directions on it.
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: X99 on February 29, 2020, 12:09:40 AM
Google Maps now shows the eastbound ramp, but as of right now it won't give directions on it.
Something tells me it's there now because someone updated that same ramp yesterday on OpenStreetMap. And by someone I mean me.
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: Verlanka on February 29, 2020, 05:37:45 AM
Google Maps now shows the eastbound ramp, but as of right now it won't give directions on it.
Why not just close the ramp?
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: Flint1979 on February 29, 2020, 08:02:30 AM
That east bound curve on US 175 is the worst section of freeway in the DFW area. Good riddance!

I believe it was first built as a US 75 freeway which was a precursor to I-45. The southern extension is now SH 310. It makes you wonder if it was ever signed as I-45 before the modern I-45 opened to traffic.

US 175 has a 20 mph curve for through traffic, something like that doesn't belong on a mainline freeway.

(https://i.imgur.com/sWvQOHa.jpg)

The imagery on Google Earth is dated 9/8/2019 and you can see the project almost completed. But they don't seem to have widened I-45 beyond its existing six lanes. So there are basically twelve lanes of traffic merging into six at that location.
Heck I-75 has an exit to itself with a 25 mph curve in Detroit.
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: debragga on February 29, 2020, 10:15:04 PM
That east bound curve on US 175 is the worst section of freeway in the DFW area. Good riddance!

I believe it was first built as a US 75 freeway which was a precursor to I-45. The southern extension is now SH 310. It makes you wonder if it was ever signed as I-45 before the modern I-45 opened to traffic.

US 175 has a 20 mph curve for through traffic, something like that doesn't belong on a mainline freeway.

(https://i.imgur.com/sWvQOHa.jpg)

The imagery on Google Earth is dated 9/8/2019 and you can see the project almost completed. But they don't seem to have widened I-45 beyond its existing six lanes. So there are basically twelve lanes of traffic merging into six at that location.
Heck I-75 has an exit to itself with a 25 mph curve in Detroit.
This isn't an exit, it's the mainline.
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: Flint1979 on March 01, 2020, 04:22:46 PM
That east bound curve on US 175 is the worst section of freeway in the DFW area. Good riddance!

I believe it was first built as a US 75 freeway which was a precursor to I-45. The southern extension is now SH 310. It makes you wonder if it was ever signed as I-45 before the modern I-45 opened to traffic.

US 175 has a 20 mph curve for through traffic, something like that doesn't belong on a mainline freeway.

(https://i.imgur.com/sWvQOHa.jpg)

The imagery on Google Earth is dated 9/8/2019 and you can see the project almost completed. But they don't seem to have widened I-45 beyond its existing six lanes. So there are basically twelve lanes of traffic merging into six at that location.
Heck I-75 has an exit to itself with a 25 mph curve in Detroit.
This isn't an exit, it's the mainline.
So is I-75 in this case. It has to run through an exit instead of a curve to stay on the mainline. The reason is because it switches freeways going from the Chrysler Freeway north of downtown to the Fisher Freeway south of downtown.
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: debragga on March 02, 2020, 03:16:37 PM
That east bound curve on US 175 is the worst section of freeway in the DFW area. Good riddance!

I believe it was first built as a US 75 freeway which was a precursor to I-45. The southern extension is now SH 310. It makes you wonder if it was ever signed as I-45 before the modern I-45 opened to traffic.

US 175 has a 20 mph curve for through traffic, something like that doesn't belong on a mainline freeway.

(https://i.imgur.com/sWvQOHa.jpg)

The imagery on Google Earth is dated 9/8/2019 and you can see the project almost completed. But they don't seem to have widened I-45 beyond its existing six lanes. So there are basically twelve lanes of traffic merging into six at that location.
Heck I-75 has an exit to itself with a 25 mph curve in Detroit.
This isn't an exit, it's the mainline.
So is I-75 in this case. It has to run through an exit instead of a curve to stay on the mainline. The reason is because it switches freeways going from the Chrysler Freeway north of downtown to the Fisher Freeway south of downtown.
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Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: yakra on March 05, 2020, 02:19:56 PM
What's the exit number for the new connector from I-45 south?
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: Chris on March 05, 2020, 02:36:31 PM
Exit 282:
(https://i.imgur.com/Ic75kYZ.jpg)
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: -- US 175 -- on March 10, 2020, 04:35:10 PM
New update::::
Just got an email earlier today from one of the local traffic reporters, who heard from a TxDOT spokesperson, who said westbound US 175 should open to I-45 by mid-April. That could change if weather is an issue in-between; at the latest, it would be May before all is fully done.
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: In_Correct on March 10, 2020, 06:53:17 PM
I promise you. It will rain.
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: debragga on May 14, 2020, 08:39:47 PM
Any updates on the westbound ramp?
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: -- US 175 -- on May 16, 2020, 12:58:12 AM
Any updates on the westbound ramp?

I've heard none.  I've asked someone I work next door to who lives near the project zone, he's not been told anything.  I've asked one of the TV traffic reporters about it before, but I guess I need to try again.
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: mrsman on June 17, 2020, 08:27:34 AM
I've been hearing that the eastbound ramp is now open, but westbound is not. Also any eastbound traffic that exits from I-45 too early and takes the soon-to-be-demolished freeway portion is forced to exit before Dead Man's Curve, with a long detour to get back to US 175.
This is correct.

All SB traffic on S.M. Wright is forced to exit at Elsie Faye Heggins St. (formerly Hatcher St.). I don't know what the actual detour is, but I hope it's taking that to 2nd Ave., not driving through the neighborhood and using the Railroad Ave. entrance. For what it's worth, the BGSes along SB I-45 were replaced with new ones that only refer to S.M. Wright Freeway (no highway shield at all), and there's a portable VMS in the gore point at the exit directing SB US 175 traffic to use the new exit, but I didn't see any advance signage warning people of the change in traffic pattern.

Does it make any sense to label this portion of the SM Wright freeway (and the exit from I-45 at this point) as being part of TX-310?  Should there be some reference that TX-310 should exit here, but US 175 should take the new direct exit?
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: -- US 175 -- on June 18, 2020, 07:38:30 AM
I've been hearing that the eastbound ramp is now open, but westbound is not. Also any eastbound traffic that exits from I-45 too early and takes the soon-to-be-demolished freeway portion is forced to exit before Dead Man's Curve, with a long detour to get back to US 175.
This is correct.

All SB traffic on S.M. Wright is forced to exit at Elsie Faye Heggins St. (formerly Hatcher St.). I don't know what the actual detour is, but I hope it's taking that to 2nd Ave., not driving through the neighborhood and using the Railroad Ave. entrance. For what it's worth, the BGSes along SB I-45 were replaced with new ones that only refer to S.M. Wright Freeway (no highway shield at all), and there's a portable VMS in the gore point at the exit directing SB US 175 traffic to use the new exit, but I didn't see any advance signage warning people of the change in traffic pattern.

Does it make any sense to label this portion of the SM Wright freeway (and the exit from I-45 at this point) as being part of TX-310?  Should there be some reference that TX-310 should exit here, but US 175 should take the new direct exit?

I haven't heard definitively whether TX 310 will be a part of S.M. Wright north of US 175 or not.  It will be interesting how it is signed along SB I-45, depending on what access the new US 175 section has to it.  My next-door colleague keeps saying the only exit he's seen after exiting I-45 is Municipal Dr., meaning no S.M. Wright or Bexar St. exits EB.  That would be quite awkward, as there is no option there to go back WB; all traffic connecting elsewhere in the neighborhood would have to do quite a bit of zig-zagging to at least get to Bexar, much less S.M. Wright.  Surely other exit(s) would be made available, depending on the distances between them.
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: mrsman on June 22, 2020, 02:49:51 PM
I've been hearing that the eastbound ramp is now open, but westbound is not. Also any eastbound traffic that exits from I-45 too early and takes the soon-to-be-demolished freeway portion is forced to exit before Dead Man's Curve, with a long detour to get back to US 175.
This is correct.

All SB traffic on S.M. Wright is forced to exit at Elsie Faye Heggins St. (formerly Hatcher St.). I don't know what the actual detour is, but I hope it's taking that to 2nd Ave., not driving through the neighborhood and using the Railroad Ave. entrance. For what it's worth, the BGSes along SB I-45 were replaced with new ones that only refer to S.M. Wright Freeway (no highway shield at all), and there's a portable VMS in the gore point at the exit directing SB US 175 traffic to use the new exit, but I didn't see any advance signage warning people of the change in traffic pattern.

Does it make any sense to label this portion of the SM Wright freeway (and the exit from I-45 at this point) as being part of TX-310?  Should there be some reference that TX-310 should exit here, but US 175 should take the new direct exit?

I haven't heard definitively whether TX 310 will be a part of S.M. Wright north of US 175 or not.  It will be interesting how it is signed along SB I-45, depending on what access the new US 175 section has to it.  My next-door colleague keeps saying the only exit he's seen after exiting I-45 is Municipal Dr., meaning no S.M. Wright or Bexar St. exits EB.  That would be quite awkward, as there is no option there to go back WB; all traffic connecting elsewhere in the neighborhood would have to do quite a bit of zig-zagging to at least get to Bexar, much less S.M. Wright.  Surely other exit(s) would be made available, depending on the distances between them.

I hope that more connections will become available in the near future.  Seeing as this is a work in progress, I imagine that something would be done to at least provide better connections for the immediate neighborhood.

Then again, sometimes it doesn't happen.  In the near-western suburbs of Baltimore, there is no easy way to get to any part of the neighborhood or the Security Square Mall without significant backtracking from I-70 coming from the west.   While there is an exit onto Security Blvd from 695, the ramps from 70 join 695 after those ramps have exited.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Baltimore,+MD/@39.301047,-76.7642827,15z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x89c803aed6f483b7:0x44896a84223e758!8m2!3d39.2903848!4d-76.6121893
 
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: debragga on July 01, 2020, 11:13:00 PM
(https://scontent.fmem1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/106454708_10221232862638559_8246083040685939550_o.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_sid=b9115d&_nc_ohc=1AIw-jE5veQAX83pD-N&_nc_ht=scontent.fmem1-1.fna&oh=c3f9e12d645e92d2e04e2dec36969080&oe=5F2192F5)

(https://scontent.fmem1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/106488345_10221232863518581_3818630826231867399_o.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_sid=b9115d&_nc_ohc=tF1EjUsMc-EAX-5ODry&_nc_ht=scontent.fmem1-1.fna&oh=6390f882ac8f3c930f0f8aa68bbf7fe5&oe=5F2247F8)

The westbound ramp is expected to open July 7th
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: -- US 175 -- on July 02, 2020, 01:11:50 PM
Just heard about this during traffic reports this morning.  This will mark the first use of Second Ave. for US 175 traffic (albeit briefly and temporarily) in 56 years.  So, oddly, just as Second Ave. was part of a US 175 transformation decades ago, it will figure again this weekend and next week with the long-awaited completion of US 175's new west terminus.
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: -- US 175 -- on July 06, 2020, 02:31:33 PM
With the imminent completion of the US 175 realignment / new west terminus at hand this week, I took it upon myself to update the US 175 Wikipedia article.  The update not only includes the Dallas work, but other spots I discovered that were being worked on (or were done).  The exit-intersection list has also been updated.

I don't have the pics ready to post, but what BGSes that are new and put up, I have pics of, plus conditions (already-damaged barrier fence, graffiti tagging) between the March EB lanes completion time and the present as well.
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: -- US 175 -- on July 07, 2020, 12:41:58 PM
I looked it over this morning, and the WB ramp is open now to I-45.  Finally,  :clap: :clap: :clap: the dumb dead-man's-curve interchange is gone!!  It only took 56 1/2 years, but I guess better late than never....

Traffic seemed to flow smoothly through the area this morning--which I guess, is the object of a good road improvement.  There were probably some gawkers and those with the "is it really done???" reaction while passing through.

Now, as the new lanes/ramp have opened, the exit ramp built to connect WB US 175 to TX 310-S.M. Wright and onto Lamar has been blocked off.  I guess this is to finish up what cleanup and rearranging needs to be done where the now-WB service road will intersect S.M. Wright at the new signal light that's already been installed.  Also this will give painters a chance to complete US 175 bridge deck trim and barrier/sound walls, including the ones that have been graffiti-tagged since they were built.

Something tells me it may be a while before anything that looks like END signage appears there (but they're not done with all the last little stuff, who knows, they may surprise me!).....
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: debragga on July 10, 2020, 01:43:02 PM
I drove it the other night as well, I love it. Good riddance to Dead Man's Curve!
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: usends on March 07, 2021, 11:08:55 AM
I was in Dallas last weekend, so checked out the new (2020) westernmost segment of US 175 (https://www.usends.com/175.html).  Big improvement for sure.  I was surprised to find that parts of SM Wright Frwy (old US 175) are still open to traffic... and US 175 signage has not yet been removed.  Heading south on I-45, there was a VMS stating "US 175 closed", and I mistakenly assumed that was in reference to the new US 175.  But it was actually referring to SM Wright (where all southbound traffic was being forced to turn off at Pine St).  Along that segment was another VMS, which referred to the route as "I-175".  Seems like TXDOT should stop referring to the old route by its old number and instead refer to it as "SM Wright".
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 07, 2021, 11:16:31 AM
I was in Dallas last weekend, so checked out the new (2020) westernmost segment of US 175 (https://www.usends.com/175.html).  Big improvement for sure.  I was surprised to find that parts of SM Wright Frwy (old US 175) are still open to traffic... and US 175 signage has not yet been removed.  Heading south on I-45, there was a VMS stating "US 175 closed", and I mistakenly assumed that was in reference to the new US 175.  But it was actually referring to SM Wright (where all southbound traffic was being forced to turn off at Pine St).  Along that segment was another VMS, which referred to the route as "I-175".  Seems like TXDOT should stop referring to the old route by its old number and instead refer to it as "SM Wright".

Well I saw that the SM Wright is supposed to also become an extenstion of TX 310 at some point when the boulevard is complete.
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: -- US 175 -- on March 07, 2021, 03:11:49 PM
I was in Dallas last weekend, so checked out the new (2020) westernmost segment of US 175 (https://www.usends.com/175.html).  Big improvement for sure.  I was surprised to find that parts of SM Wright Frwy (old US 175) are still open to traffic... and US 175 signage has not yet been removed.  Heading south on I-45, there was a VMS stating "US 175 closed", and I mistakenly assumed that was in reference to the new US 175.  But it was actually referring to SM Wright (where all southbound traffic was being forced to turn off at Pine St).  Along that segment was another VMS, which referred to the route as "I-175".  Seems like TXDOT should stop referring to the old route by its old number and instead refer to it as "SM Wright".

I looked around down there in the last few days, and was surprised by the signage at/along S.M. Wright.  There is a new shield sign assembly at the signal where the WB off-ramp from WB US 175 meets S.M. Wright.  It shows both SB and NB TX 310; I thought sure the TX 310 part of S.M. Wright would only be south of US 175.  The S.M. Wright exit from SB I-45 has new BGSes listing S.M. Wright but no numbered routes.  IMO it would be confusing to some drivers to have the new US 175 terminus/connection done at I-45, but yet still have old US 175 shields still up along parts of S.M. Wright that have not seen construction yet.

The S.M. Wright project otherwise is coming right along, with the old overpass embankments where 'Dead Man's Curve' was, as well as the one at Elsie Faye Heggins (ex-Hatcher St.), both have been removed, while work has started at the old Pine St. exit on its embankment.  The overpass deck over Pine has been removed.  Work has not started on Metropolitan, Pennsylvania, or Martin Luther King Blvd.  Nothing has started on the removal of the exit/connection to Good Latimer yet, either.

I took a look at Lamar St. nearby, and work on it has largely finished, but nothing has been done about the signage yet.  The Dallas city council voted that Lamar between I-30 by downtown, and S.M. Wright, should be renamed for Botham Jean, a young man sadly killed in his own apartment by a Dallas policewoman who somehow mistook Botham's apartment for her own.  The apartment complex and the Dallas PD headquarters are both along the same stretch of Lamar that the city council voted to rename.  The vote was a few weeks ago, but no street blades or BGSes have changed yet.
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: motorola870 on March 08, 2021, 11:19:23 AM
The original agreement was to extend 310 north back to 45. I'm shocked it's not being renamed loop 310 if the number is available as it will be a full loop. I'm even more shocked it did not get the axe north of the rerouted US175 after the 2016 purge of excess routes according to TXDOT that saw several removals from the system in DFW. Including the lone business FM loop in North Texas.
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: The Ghostbuster on March 09, 2021, 01:23:29 PM
Is there a date for when the old US 175 S.M. Wright Freeway will be demolished? Or have they decided not to tear the freeway down?
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: -- US 175 -- on March 09, 2021, 02:54:14 PM
Is there a date for when the old US 175 S.M. Wright Freeway will be demolished? Or have they decided not to tear the freeway down?

I'm not exactly sure how long it will take, but as I said upthread, the embankment where US 175 took the 'dead man's curve' where S.M. Wright meets C.F. Hawn Frwy., is gone now, as well as the embankment at Elsie Faye Heggins (ex- Hatcher).  The embankment at Pine St. is being removed now; the overpass bridge deck there is already gone.  S.M. Wright is still open at Metropolitan, Pennsylvania, and Martin Luther King Blvd. for now.  Some of the service roads are still passable, but full of barriers, bumps, and detours.  The plans to convert it into a parkway are still active.
Title: The freeway was rerouted... Not eliminated
Post by: bwana39 on April 03, 2021, 03:28:27 PM
Let's make this what it is. US-175 freeway was rerouted to intersect with I-45 farther south on a safer alignment.  The previous freeway routing is being (eventually) downgraded from freeway to a 4 or more lane boulevard.
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: bwana39 on June 28, 2021, 10:58:40 PM
Never really knew why SH 310 south of CF Hawn was referred to as "S.M. Wright Fwy" before the Dallas sign overhaul despite the fact that it is a 6 lane boulevard paralleling an actual freeway (I-45). I'm also not sure if SH 310 is officially named "S.M. Wright" or "Central" south of CF Hawn, as Google Maps refers to it as South Central Expressway, but the Dallas signs names it as C.F. Hawn

The former portion of US-175 from the "dead man's curve" to the intersection with I-45 was the SM Wright Freeway. South of the Hawn Freeway (US-175),  SH-310 reverted to South Central Expressway. All of South Central Expressway, SM Wright Freeway, Cesar Chavez, and (North) Central Expressway were originally US-75. The entirety was originally called just Central Expressway. As an aside, it was freeway all the way to Overton Road (the first major street south of the Trinity River) until the at least the nineties.  My guess would be the entire freeway section was SM Wright until it was downgraded .

As far as goes SM Wright Freeway, it was ONLY the freeway mainlanes. The frontage roads were still (South) Central Expressway.
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: bwana39 on June 28, 2021, 11:14:44 PM
Never really knew why SH 310 south of CF Hawn was referred to as "S.M. Wright Fwy" before the Dallas sign overhaul despite the fact that it is a 6 lane boulevard paralleling an actual freeway (I-45). I'm also not sure if SH 310 is officially named "S.M. Wright" or "Central" south of CF Hawn, as Google Maps refers to it as South Central Expressway, but the Dallas signs names it as C.F. Hawn

The former portion of US-175 from the "dead man's curve" to the intersection with I-45 was the SM Wright Freeway. South of the Hawn Freeway (US-175),  SH-310 reverted to South Central Expressway. All of South Central Expressway, SM Wright Freeway, Cesar Chavez, and (North) Central Expressway were originally US-75. The entirety was originally called just Central Expressway. As an aside, it was freeway all the way to Overton Road (the first major street south of the Trinity River) until the at least the nineties.  My guess would be the entire freeway section was SM Wright until it was downgraded

As far as goes SM Wright Freeway, it was ONLY the freeway mainlanes. The frontage roads were still (South) Central Expressway.
The original US 75 alignment south of US 175 that is now SH 310 is referred as S.M. Wright Frwy on older signage, I'm asking why because it's not a freeway when it has at grade intersections.
I'm not exactly sure why Google refers to that section still as Central Expressway even though on official Dallas signs it's designated as S.M. Wright. Still would keep the Central Expressway name though  :spin:

It was freeway all the way to south of the Trinity in the 2008 street views.  I had never heard it called SM Wright south of the river (or more technically, the first at-grade intersection.)
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: The Ghostbuster on June 29, 2021, 03:34:22 PM
Does anyone have any updates on when they might might downgrade the S.M. Freeway bypassed by the new Interstate 45/US 175 interchange? Or whether old 175 will become an extension of TX 310?
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: MaxConcrete on June 29, 2021, 06:48:50 PM
Does anyone have any updates on when they might might downgrade the S.M. Freeway bypassed by the new Interstate 45/US 175 interchange? Or whether old 175 will become an extension of TX 310?

When you say downgrade, are you referring to the route designation or actual freeway removal?
Freeway removal is in progress, the link below has photos from 10 days ago.
http://dfwfreeways.com/us175/construction-removal (http://dfwfreeways.com/us175/construction-removal)

As for the official route designation, I have no idea but I think it may take a while. The description at the link below does not reflect the new freeway link, or the pending conversion of SM Wright Freeway into SM Wright Boulevard.
http://www.dot.state.tx.us/tpp/hwy/us/us0175.htm
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: 74/171FAN on December 06, 2021, 02:04:46 PM
Does anyone have any updates on when they might might downgrade the S.M. Freeway bypassed by the new Interstate 45/US 175 interchange? Or whether old 175 will become an extension of TX 310?

I found this shield from the US 175 WB offramp showing an extension of TX 310 (https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7462893,-96.7580068,3a,75y,301.57h,77.18t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sMdJxgcsjX4kLWUdOmmsemA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) to the north.
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: -- US 175 -- on December 07, 2021, 03:27:17 AM
Does anyone have any updates on when they might might downgrade the S.M. Freeway bypassed by the new Interstate 45/US 175 interchange? Or whether old 175 will become an extension of TX 310?

I found this shield from the US 175 WB offramp showing an extension of TX 310 (https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7462893,-96.7580068,3a,75y,301.57h,77.18t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sMdJxgcsjX4kLWUdOmmsemA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) to the north.

I saw that assembly a few months ago.  I'm not really sure what to make of it, as there aren't any other TX 310 signs north of US 175, including the replacement BGSes at the S.M. Wright exit off I-45.  AFAIK, there hasn't been any new moves toward making any changes to TX 310 in the minute order files at TxDOT.  None of the local media reports, that I've seen, about the freeway-to-parkway conversion of S.M. Wright have included anything referencing TX 310 being a part of the naming once the conversion work gets completed.  It will be interesting how the treatment of the TX 310 signage ends up being--whether there will be more, or if the corner assembly in the GSV linked pic will be a one-and-only.
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: wxfree on December 07, 2021, 02:29:31 PM
The Statewide Planning Map has been updated.  It shows US 175 along the new route.  It doesn't yet have a control section number or speed limit listed, but it's on the map and labelled.  The old section north of the new section is labelled as SH 310.  It appears that almost all of the data tabs still show US 175, but the map label and the basic route designation data tab show SH 310.  This doesn't mean anything definitive, but somebody made the affirmative decision to change the map.  They may be retaining the road on the system just until the reconstruction is finished, using SH 310 as a logical placeholder, and then plan to turn it over to the city.
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: yakra on December 18, 2021, 11:27:22 PM
AFAIK, there hasn't been any new moves toward making any changes to TX 310 in the minute order files at TxDOT.
May not be new, but https://publicdocs.txdot.gov/minord/MinuteOrderDocLib/113571.pdf
Title: Re: Dallas: Bids opened for elimination of South Central Expressway freeway (US 175)
Post by: -- US 175 -- on December 19, 2021, 04:22:24 PM
AFAIK, there hasn't been any new moves toward making any changes to TX 310 in the minute order files at TxDOT.
May not be new, but https://publicdocs.txdot.gov/minord/MinuteOrderDocLib/113571.pdf

Thanks for the update.  So this either wasn't communicated to the sign installers when they replaced the old US 175 BGSes at I-45/S.M. Wright, or maybe they're waiting on a full TX 310 signage rollout till S.M. Wright gets converted?