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Re: I-14 in Texas
« Reply #600 on: August 10, 2021, 06:09:01 PM »

Well, that, and if you're a political leader in Houston or Austin, you've got a lot of stuff on your plate. The mayor of San Angelo probably has nothing better to do but try and bug members of Congress to build an Interstate through their town.

At least in Austin, they've got Franklin's brisket on their plates as well!  Seriously, that's a damn good point -- considering Houston planners are probably reeling from the Fed rejection of the I-45 reroute, and their Austin counterparts are simply dealing with the I-35 situation (cap? reroute? it's all too confusing!!!) as well as ever-increasing congestion in general.   The San Angelo mayor is probably on the phone to his Midland and/or Odessa colleagues on a regular basis trying to nail down both I-14 and the P2P -- just so somewhere down the line he can have a few of the problems plaguing Austin right now!
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« Reply #601 on: August 10, 2021, 06:12:49 PM »

Well, that, and if you're a political leader in Houston or Austin, you've got a lot of stuff on your plate. The mayor of San Angelo probably has nothing better to do but try and bug members of Congress to build an Interstate through their town.

At least in Austin, they've got Franklin's brisket on their plates as well!  Seriously, that's a damn good point -- considering Houston planners are probably reeling from the Fed rejection of the I-45 reroute, and their Austin counterparts are simply dealing with the I-35 situation (cap? reroute? it's all too confusing!!!) as well as ever-increasing congestion in general.   The San Angelo mayor is probably on the phone to his Midland and/or Odessa colleagues on a regular basis trying to nail down both I-14 and the P2P -- just so somewhere down the line he can have a few of the problems plaguing Austin right now!

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Re: I-14 in Texas
« Reply #602 on: August 10, 2021, 10:10:59 PM »

Well, that, and if you're a political leader in Houston or Austin, you've got a lot of stuff on your plate. The mayor of San Angelo probably has nothing better to do but try and bug members of Congress to build an Interstate through their town.

At least in Austin, they've got Franklin's brisket on their plates as well!  Seriously, that's a damn good point -- considering Houston planners are probably reeling from the Fed rejection of the I-45 reroute, and their Austin counterparts are simply dealing with the I-35 situation (cap? reroute? it's all too confusing!!!) as well as ever-increasing congestion in general.   The San Angelo mayor is probably on the phone to his Midland and/or Odessa colleagues on a regular basis trying to nail down both I-14 and the P2P -- just so somewhere down the line he can have a few of the problems plaguing Austin right now!

The Salt Lick is way better.

Since you're a local, I'll take you at your word and try it the next time I'm through town (visiting cousins down in Lake Jackson).  Question -- do they have tri-tip as well; gotten more into that lately (bunch of local BBQ's featuring it up here).  Less chance of getting an overly fatty slice!  Back to I-14:  Have heard vague rumors that some Austin/Round Rock folks want a branch down US 79 from the I-14 corridor in the Hearne area to metro Austin (either toll 130 or I-35) to connect to the eastward part of that corridor (i.e. Bryan/State College).  Any rumblings of this locally -- or is the whole I-14 concept considered "out of sight/out of mind" to Austin folks?
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Re: I-14 in Texas
« Reply #603 on: August 10, 2021, 10:19:04 PM »

Well, that, and if you're a political leader in Houston or Austin, you've got a lot of stuff on your plate. The mayor of San Angelo probably has nothing better to do but try and bug members of Congress to build an Interstate through their town.

At least in Austin, they've got Franklin's brisket on their plates as well!  Seriously, that's a damn good point -- considering Houston planners are probably reeling from the Fed rejection of the I-45 reroute, and their Austin counterparts are simply dealing with the I-35 situation (cap? reroute? it's all too confusing!!!) as well as ever-increasing congestion in general.   The San Angelo mayor is probably on the phone to his Midland and/or Odessa colleagues on a regular basis trying to nail down both I-14 and the P2P -- just so somewhere down the line he can have a few of the problems plaguing Austin right now!

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Re: I-14 in Texas
« Reply #604 on: August 11, 2021, 12:44:55 AM »

Sigh... more suffix madness.  Why must Congress continue to ruin the numbering of my beloved interstate system?  Pretty soon it will be as bad as the US routes! :ded:

So many roads to nowhere in west Texas, too.  I-14N makes sense, I can see I-14S if they want to make a San Antonio and Houston bypass, but what the heck is up with those north-south routes?

Hey -- even with the "trident" 69 split and these two (gag!) I-14 branches (I'd call the south one a twig!) -- PLUS the possibility of a P2P/I-27 split that would have the effect of 2 multiplexed suffixed routes (14N & 27W), it's still not as bad as the original 1958 Interstate numbering scheme, with 80N hitting I-5 some 600 miles north of 80! -- and other splits of 70, 80, and even, for a while 90 -- with most of them "single-ended", not returning to the parent.  At least, except for the MN 35E/W splits, the phenomenon is confined to Texas; no sign of the practice being contagious -- no "delta variants" to spread to NC, IL, or other states historically prone to commissioning new Interstate corridors.  Although personally I think it's kinda silly, it's just Texas being Texas; iconoclastic to the end!

Downtown San Angelo will have NORTH BL-27E and WEST BL-14N.  The leg going due south from about Mason to Junction could be I-27EE14SE!!

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Re: I-14 in Texas
« Reply #605 on: August 11, 2021, 09:45:54 AM »

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Re: I-14 in Texas
« Reply #606 on: August 11, 2021, 10:47:16 AM »

Well, that, and if you're a political leader in Houston or Austin, you've got a lot of stuff on your plate. The mayor of San Angelo probably has nothing better to do but try and bug members of Congress to build an Interstate through their town.

At least in Austin, they've got Franklin's brisket on their plates as well!  Seriously, that's a damn good point -- considering Houston planners are probably reeling from the Fed rejection of the I-45 reroute, and their Austin counterparts are simply dealing with the I-35 situation (cap? reroute? it's all too confusing!!!) as well as ever-increasing congestion in general.   The San Angelo mayor is probably on the phone to his Midland and/or Odessa colleagues on a regular basis trying to nail down both I-14 and the P2P -- just so somewhere down the line he can have a few of the problems plaguing Austin right now!

The Salt Lick is way better.

Since you're a local, I'll take you at your word and try it the next time I'm through town (visiting cousins down in Lake Jackson).  Question -- do they have tri-tip as well; gotten more into that lately (bunch of local BBQ's featuring it up here).  Less chance of getting an overly fatty slice!  Back to I-14:  Have heard vague rumors that some Austin/Round Rock folks want a branch down US 79 from the I-14 corridor in the Hearne area to metro Austin (either toll 130 or I-35) to connect to the eastward part of that corridor (i.e. Bryan/State College).  Any rumblings of this locally -- or is the whole I-14 concept considered "out of sight/out of mind" to Austin folks?

Never had tri-tip.

About the I-14 rumblings, this is the first I have heard about it, but not the first time I have heard US-79 come up are a potential freeway corridor. 
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Re: I-14 in Texas
« Reply #607 on: August 11, 2021, 10:56:19 AM »

About the I-14 rumblings, this is the first I have heard about it, but not the first time I have heard US-79 come up are a potential freeway corridor.

Shouldn't surprise anyone. There's no direct route between Austin and Bryan/College Station, much less a freeway.
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Re: I-14 in Texas
« Reply #608 on: August 11, 2021, 12:56:59 PM »

But still no freeway needed.  College Station is only the center of a cult, not the universe.  Ridiculous that they got a politically driven BFE stop included on the Dallas-Houston high speed rail project, solely to sooth their inferiority complex.  It certainly wasn't for potential ridership (suburban park and ride lots at future Loop 9 and Beltway 8 or Grand Parkway would easily generate 10 times as many riders, probably a much bigger multiplier.  That's a big weakness that will probably be added soon after the project opens to below expectation loads.  DFW, Bush, and Hobby airports are easier to reach for a big percentage of DFW and Houston, and fighting the traffic much of the day to get to the downtown Dallas station a further disincentive.  Adding those 2 stops should only increase total trip time by 10 minutes unless they screw up boarding procedures (a lot more doors to simultaneously use than on an airplane), and cut that in half if most trains skip the low demand Aggie Memorial Middle of Nowhere station.)

On the road side, 21 already needs widening from San Marcos to Bastrop.  4-lane the rest of the way to BCS and the Rockdale-future I-14 portion of 79 would be good enough, much cheaper, and serve a lot more users than upgrading a single Austin-BCS corridor to a freeway.
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Re: I-14 in Texas
« Reply #609 on: August 11, 2021, 01:31:38 PM »

College Station is one of the largest cities in the US with no freeway connection to the rest of the system, excluding large suburbs lying between freeways. That said, it should connect to Houston.
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Re: I-14 in Texas
« Reply #610 on: August 11, 2021, 02:20:13 PM »

College Station is one of the largest cities in the US with no freeway connection to the rest of the system, excluding large suburbs lying between freeways. That said, it should connect to Houston.

It isn't all that far off.

Bryan / College Station were a lot like Greenville (the County Seat of Hunt County) and Commerce the college town a few miles away the first time I went there.  That was 40 yeas ago more or less. A town of 25,000 and a town with about 2,500 people + under 10K students.

By the time my kids were there, they had grown together, College Station was larger, and they were both still growing. My youngest and his wife would still be there if there had been enough jobs.

Bryan / College Station percentagewise has grown faster than Austin. Austin's growth, too, is from University graduates staying.

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Re: I-14 in Texas
« Reply #611 on: August 11, 2021, 02:52:30 PM »

College Station is one of the largest cities in the US with no freeway connection to the rest of the system, excluding large suburbs lying between freeways. That said, it should connect to Houston.

It isn't all that far off.

Bryan / College Station were a lot like Greenville (the County Seat of Hunt County) and Commerce the college town a few miles away the first time I went there.  That was 40 yeas ago more or less. A town of 25,000 and a town with about 2,500 people + under 10K students.

By the time my kids were there, they had grown together, College Station was larger, and they were both still growing. My youngest and his wife would still be there if there had been enough jobs.

Bryan / College Station percentagewise has grown faster than Austin. Austin's growth, too, is from University graduates staying.

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Re: I-14 in Texas
« Reply #612 on: August 11, 2021, 03:13:46 PM »

College Station is one of the largest cities in the US with no freeway connection to the rest of the system, excluding large suburbs lying between freeways. That said, it should connect to Houston.

It isn't all that far off.

Bryan / College Station were a lot like Greenville (the County Seat of Hunt County) and Commerce the college town a few miles away the first time I went there.  That was 40 yeas ago more or less. A town of 25,000 and a town with about 2,500 people + under 10K students.

By the time my kids were there, they had grown together, College Station was larger, and they were both still growing. My youngest and his wife would still be there if there had been enough jobs.

Bryan / College Station percentagewise has grown faster than Austin. Austin's growth, too, is from University graduates staying.

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Re: I-14 in Texas
« Reply #613 on: August 11, 2021, 03:19:18 PM »

College Station is one of the largest cities in the US with no freeway connection to the rest of the system, excluding large suburbs lying between freeways. That said, it should connect to Houston.

It isn't all that far off.
All they need is a world renowned  bbq place, or one that serves a5 wagyu.

Bryan / College Station were a lot like Greenville (the County Seat of Hunt County) and Commerce the college town a few miles away the first time I went there.  That was 40 yeas ago more or less. A town of 25,000 and a town with about 2,500 people + under 10K students.

By the time my kids were there, they had grown together, College Station was larger, and they were both still growing. My youngest and his wife would still be there if there had been enough jobs.

Bryan / College Station percentagewise has grown faster than Austin. Austin's growth, too, is from University graduates staying.

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Re: I-14 in Texas
« Reply #614 on: August 11, 2021, 03:52:53 PM »

College Station is one of the largest cities in the US with no freeway connection to the rest of the system, excluding large suburbs lying between freeways. That said, it should connect to Houston.

For years I've been able to drive from Houston to BCS without encountering a stoplight, it's all freeway or expressway.  Good enough.  In a few years one can similarly drive from the north side of Houston to BCS with only 1 or 2 stoplights for the transitions to 105 and 6.  Almost good enough (need to 4-lane the 105 portion and the westernmost part of the Aggy Tollway will initially be 2-lane).  Build bypasses for Hearne and Calvert and one will be able to drive non-stop 4-lane all the way from BCS to DFW, except for a light at the intersection with I-35 in Waco.  Good enough.

BCS metro is the 183rd largest in the US, a population of only 268,000 as of last year.  In 10 years they added a net of 40,000.  For context, about 10% the size of San Antonio (which added 451,000, so an even bigger percentage growth rate, too.) 

BCS is a nice place with healthy growth, but it's half the size of the Corpus and Killeen-Temple metro areas and smaller than Waco and Laredo (for another 5-6 years), Tyler CSA (which excludes Longview), Amarillo, Midland-Odessa, Lubbock, etc.  It's road network is basically right-sized.

And while I'm not a big fan of I-14, a Heidenheimer (Temple) to Benchley (BCS) segment could probably be justified now.  Too much 2-lane between Temple and Houston.
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Re: I-14 in Texas
« Reply #615 on: August 11, 2021, 05:20:39 PM »

College Station is one of the largest cities in the US with no freeway connection to the rest of the system, excluding large suburbs lying between freeways. That said, it should connect to Houston.

For years I've been able to drive from Houston to BCS without encountering a stoplight, it's all freeway or expressway.  Good enough.  In a few years one can similarly drive from the north side of Houston to BCS with only 1 or 2 stoplights for the transitions to 105 and 6.  Almost good enough (need to 4-lane the 105 portion and the westernmost part of the Aggy Tollway will initially be 2-lane).  Build bypasses for Hearne and Calvert and one will be able to drive non-stop 4-lane all the way from BCS to DFW, except for a light at the intersection with I-35 in Waco.  Good enough.

BCS metro is the 183rd largest in the US, a population of only 268,000 as of last year.  In 10 years they added a net of 40,000.  For context, about 10% the size of San Antonio (which added 451,000, so an even bigger percentage growth rate, too.) 

BCS is a nice place with healthy growth, but it's half the size of the Corpus and Killeen-Temple metro areas and smaller than Waco and Laredo (for another 5-6 years), Tyler CSA (which excludes Longview), Amarillo, Midland-Odessa, Lubbock, etc.  It's road network is basically right-sized.

And while I'm not a big fan of I-14, a Heidenheimer (Temple) to Benchley (BCS) segment could probably be justified now.  Too much 2-lane between Temple and Houston.

BCS is currently being connected, in a fashion, to Houston via the Toll 249 connection, although the northwesternmost section of that is initially being developed as a 2-lane facility on a 4-lane ROW.  It'll eventually reach TX 6 somewhere in the Navasota area, likely well south of where the I-14 corridor will turn east toward Huntsville.  It's likely that both 6 and 249 will eventually serve as a through 4-lane facility, partially tolled, directly connecting BCS and Houston.  But because of the tolls, it's also likely that commercial traffic to and from Houston will utilize I-14 over to I-45 and then south; recreational/occasional traffic between the metro area will use 249 if they have a transponder/pass and either I-14/I-45 or TX 6/US 290 if they don't.  That set of options will likely work out well for any projected regional traffic flow in terms of volume dissipation/distribution.   
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« Reply #616 on: August 12, 2021, 11:46:29 PM »

College Station is one of the largest cities in the US with no freeway connection to the rest of the system, excluding large suburbs lying between freeways. That said, it should connect to Houston.

For years I've been able to drive from Houston to BCS without encountering a stoplight, it's all freeway or expressway.  Good enough.  In a few years one can similarly drive from the north side of Houston to BCS with only 1 or 2 stoplights for the transitions to 105 and 6.  Almost good enough (need to 4-lane the 105 portion and the westernmost part of the Aggy Tollway will initially be 2-lane).  Build bypasses for Hearne and Calvert and one will be able to drive non-stop 4-lane all the way from BCS to DFW, except for a light at the intersection with I-35 in Waco.  Good enough.

BCS metro is the 183rd largest in the US, a population of only 268,000 as of last year.  In 10 years they added a net of 40,000.  For context, about 10% the size of San Antonio (which added 451,000, so an even bigger percentage growth rate, too.) 

BCS is a nice place with healthy growth, but it's half the size of the Corpus and Killeen-Temple metro areas and smaller than Waco and Laredo (for another 5-6 years), Tyler CSA (which excludes Longview), Amarillo, Midland-Odessa, Lubbock, etc.  It's road network is basically right-sized.

And while I'm not a big fan of I-14, a Heidenheimer (Temple) to Benchley (BCS) segment could probably be justified now.  Too much 2-lane between Temple and Houston.

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« Reply #618 on: January 17, 2022, 09:59:00 AM »

No pics but the pavement has and bridge expansion is done between Killeen and Belton. The contractor is going to put another level of pavement to unify everything ( I hate when they pave over bridges...WHY?)  Now TxDot needs to build a proper I-14 to I-35 south ramp and the area's traffic needs will be set for a couple of years. Central Texas Area is growing like crazy since its expensive to live 50 minutes south in Austin. Samsung building its plant in Taylor should tell you something.

I-14 should concentrate on the Temple Bryan connection. The growth in Central Texas will demand it.
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Re: I-14 in Texas
« Reply #619 on: January 17, 2022, 03:29:19 PM »

On the Interstate 14 Wikipedia page, an auxiliary route is mentioned: "I-14 in Texas is proposed to have one auxiliary route, Interstate 214, which would serve as a loop for Bryan–College Station metropolitan area." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_14). Is this accurate, or should I take this information with a grain of salt?
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« Reply #621 on: January 17, 2022, 06:21:20 PM »

That section of the article cites https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/national_highway_system/high_priority_corridors/hpcor.cfm

This list however written into the federal register is just a "serving suggestion". Some parts of it will be built to order. Some will be built with wide variance. Some will not be built at all.  Many things not on the list WILL be built.

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It used to be that there was restricted funding attached to the projects on this list. Today, the greatest majority of the highway funding comes in the form of unrestricted grants.
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Re: I-14 in Texas
« Reply #622 on: January 17, 2022, 06:28:51 PM »

On the Interstate 14 Wikipedia page, an auxiliary route is mentioned: "I-14 in Texas is proposed to have one auxiliary route, Interstate 214, which would serve as a loop for Bryan–College Station metropolitan area." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_14). Is this accurate, or should I take this information with a grain of salt?

I’ve never heard of a proposed I-214 before. Is this a real proposal from TxDOT? Where did that come from?
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« Reply #623 on: January 17, 2022, 06:31:46 PM »

On the Interstate 14 Wikipedia page, an auxiliary route is mentioned: "I-14 in Texas is proposed to have one auxiliary route, Interstate 214, which would serve as a loop for Bryan–College Station metropolitan area." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_14). Is this accurate, or should I take this information with a grain of salt?

I’ve never heard of a proposed I-214 before. Is this a real proposal from TxDOT? Where did that come from?

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Re: I-14 in Texas
« Reply #624 on: January 17, 2022, 06:40:33 PM »

On the Interstate 14 Wikipedia page, an auxiliary route is mentioned: "I-14 in Texas is proposed to have one auxiliary route, Interstate 214, which would serve as a loop for Bryan–College Station metropolitan area." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_14). Is this accurate, or should I take this information with a grain of salt?

I have never looked into I-14 deep enough or it was recently added to the wiki page. For such a long freeway from western Texas to Augusta, Georgia, there would have to be at least one auxiliary route from I-14.
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