North Carolina

[Roadsguy]

US 70 being present in that signage isn't proof they've cancelled the reroute. It certainly wouldn't be the first time NCDOT has put up a whole set of brand new signs only to immediately change them as part of a major reroute.

[tolbs17]

US 70 being present in that signage isn't proof they've cancelled the reroute. It certainly wouldn't be the first time NCDOT has put up a whole set of brand new signs only to immediately change them as part of a major reroute.

Still, them doing that makes the sign look stupid. I wish the signage plans were updated to reflect the change.

[bob7374]

US 70 being present in that signage isn't proof they've cancelled the reroute. It certainly wouldn't be the first time NCDOT has put up a whole set of brand new signs only to immediately change them as part of a major reroute.

Still, them doing that makes the sign look stupid. I wish the signage plans were updated to reflect the change.

Though the contract has only recently started, the sign plans have an approval date of January 16, 2019, prior to NCDOT's application to AASHTO about rerouting US 70 that fall. Why the plans were not modified since prior to the contract letting, you would have to ask NCDOT. Hopefully, the contractors will receive a new set of plans that do not include US 70 or call for the removal of US 70 shields along with Business 85 ones, like the plans for the recently awarded Main Street project in High Point. The NCDOT press release about the awarding of that contract indicates it is planned to be completed in the spring of 2024. Therefore, you should expect both US 70 and Business 85 shields to disappear within the next couple of years.

[J N Winkler]

When route location decisions change after signing plans are finished, the necessary amendments are typically made either through addendum while the contract is under advertisement, or by change order after bid opening.  NCDOT's Xfer site is intended for distribution of as-advertised plans and thus isn't updated to reflect change orders.  In theory, a plans set that has been updated to reflect construction revisions should include all changes made before the contract was finaled, but it is still pretty rare for state DOTs to provide self-serve access to these.

With some state DOTs, what you see at advertisement is largely what you get when the project is finished.  With others, like Florida DOT, the as-lets are more of a first draft.

Looking at the MLK Jr. Dr. project Tolbs17 flagged (the TIP number for which is U-5754--the South Main Street interchange upgrade is U-5896 and had its bid opening last February 15), I see all of the sign elevations that call for reuse of existing structures note that the proposed signs are to be no larger than those already installed, so that there is no increase in wind load.  This makes me suspect that the US 70 shields have been left partly to ensure the design provides for AASHTO refusing to agree to relocate US 70.  It is easier to put a smaller sign on a beefy structure than it is to beef up a structure to take a larger sign.

[snowc]

Good things about the Mid-Currituck Bridge, 60 MPH Speed Limit, this will be the first 2 lane road in NC with that high of a limit.  The only other Southeast State that has 60 on its 2 lanes is Florida.

I also like that the intersection with US 158 will be an interchange, great forward thinking by NCDOT on this one.  Good also on widening the north and southbound approaches on NC 12 from 2 to 4 lanes.

Bad things: the bridge needs to be at least 4 lanes especially considering there is going to be a toll and US 158 and US 64 bridges are toll free and are 4 lanes.

A roundabout for the intersection at NC 12 on the barrier island will be interesting, I have my doubts about this working in a high tourist area with many different driving styles prevalent.  I guess there wasn't enough room for an interchange?

Wrong. US 421 is a 60mph highway and is 2lane throughout wilmington.

[tolbs17]

Good things about the Mid-Currituck Bridge, 60 MPH Speed Limit, this will be the first 2 lane road in NC with that high of a limit.  The only other Southeast State that has 60 on its 2 lanes is Florida.

I also like that the intersection with US 158 will be an interchange, great forward thinking by NCDOT on this one.  Good also on widening the north and southbound approaches on NC 12 from 2 to 4 lanes.

Bad things: the bridge needs to be at least 4 lanes especially considering there is going to be a toll and US 158 and US 64 bridges are toll free and are 4 lanes.

A roundabout for the intersection at NC 12 on the barrier island will be interesting, I have my doubts about this working in a high tourist area with many different driving styles prevalent.  I guess there wasn't enough room for an interchange?

Wrong. US 421 is a 60mph highway and is 2lane throughout wilmington.

What do you mean by "US-421"?

And like sprjus4 said, state law does not permit 2-lane highways to have speed limits any higher than 55 mph.

[tolbs17]

But these signing plans show that US-70 will NOT be relocated.

https://xfer.services.ncdot.gov/dsplan/2021%20Highway%20Letting/11-16-21/Plans%20and%20Proposals/GUILFORD_54034.3.2_U-5754_C204665/Standard%20PDF%20Files/

The signing plans for Main St interchange are 3 months newer than these so it is possible the decision to dump signage is recent.

Very disappointing if the idea of relocating US 70 has been scrapped.  Who knows someone at NCDOT we can ask about this?

Might be a good topic for a new General Highway Talk thread, but does anybody here know if there is any precedence for a DOT backing out of a change already approved by AASHTO?

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But these signing plans show that US-70 will NOT be relocated.

https://xfer.services.ncdot.gov/dsplan/2021%20Highway%20Letting/11-16-21/Plans%20and%20Proposals/GUILFORD_54034.3.2_U-5754_C204665/Standard%20PDF%20Files/

The signing plans for Main St interchange are 3 months newer than these so it is possible the decision to dump signage is recent.

Very disappointing if the idea of relocating US 70 has been scrapped.  Who knows someone at NCDOT we can ask about this?
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Same thing with NC-581 in Bailey and NC-55 in Holly Springs. They have been approved to be moved but signage was never updated.

https://goo.gl/maps/kv9keeSW5jRNxbQEA

https://goo.gl/maps/7FWn969AkjNnbEaN9

https://goo.gl/maps/bZZLBsgRpxkaeYhS9

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina_Highway_55

On October 3, 2019 NCDOT officially placed NC 55 on the Bypass, the route through the city was designated as SR 6107.

Yeah right.

[sprjus4]

Good things about the Mid-Currituck Bridge, 60 MPH Speed Limit, this will be the first 2 lane road in NC with that high of a limit.  The only other Southeast State that has 60 on its 2 lanes is Florida.

I also like that the intersection with US 158 will be an interchange, great forward thinking by NCDOT on this one.  Good also on widening the north and southbound approaches on NC 12 from 2 to 4 lanes.

Bad things: the bridge needs to be at least 4 lanes especially considering there is going to be a toll and US 158 and US 64 bridges are toll free and are 4 lanes.

A roundabout for the intersection at NC 12 on the barrier island will be interesting, I have my doubts about this working in a high tourist area with many different driving styles prevalent.  I guess there wasn't enough room for an interchange?

Wrong. US 421 is a 60mph highway and is 2lane throughout wilmington.

What?

[tolbs17]

Just in time for the widening project. A truck hits a overpass that was a low clearance in Dunn.

https://www.cbs17.com/news/local-news/i-95-south-closed-at-us-421-in-harnett-county/

[bob7374]

NCDOT has declared another firm in breach of contract:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2022/2022-03-10-ncdot-terminates-bridge-contracts.aspx

[rickmastfan67]

So, Red Light Cameras Unconstitutional in NC at least in one city......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTbDSboIC4s

[LM117]

For any Raleigh-area locals here, Reedy Creek Trail users will be detoured for a couple of months, beginning next week. This is due to the ongoing I-440 improvements project.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2022/2022-03-17-reedy-creek-trail-detour-beltline-construction.aspx

[tolbs17]

delays...

https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/12%20Month%20Tentative%20Letting%20Library/MARCH%202022%20CHANGES%20SUMMARY.pdf

[tolbs17]

So, Red Light Cameras Unconstitutional in NC at least in one city......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTbDSboIC4s

It's in Greenville. And they should just remove them!

[tolbs17]

Brunswick County CTP has been updated, it appears that all of US-17 will be relocated onto a new alignment (with the exception of the Shallotte Bypass). NC 211 is not going to be a freeway, let alone I-74 coming that way, it's not happening.

Evidence can be seen on page 17 when looking at H183738:

I‐74 ‐ Construct I‐74 on new location

It's not getting carried over.

https://capefearcog.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/RTCC_Agenda_Packet_2020-04-01.pdf

This is a separate project, it's still getting built but it's not part of Myrtle beach to Wilmington corridor.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/public-meetings/Documents/U-5932-public-meeting-map.pdf

Delco bypass is in this though, NC-211 freeway is not in this

https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/TPBCTP/Columbus%20County/Draft%20CTP%20Maps.pdf

[kendallhart808]

Brunswick County CTP has been updated, it appears that all of US-17 will be relocated onto a new alignment (with the exception of the Shallotte Bypass). NC 211 is not going to be a freeway, let alone I-74 coming that way, it's not happening.

Evidence can be seen on page 17 when looking at H183738:

I‐74 ‐ Construct I‐74 on new location

It's not getting carried over.

https://capefearcog.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/RTCC_Agenda_Packet_2020-04-01.pdf

This is a separate project, it's still getting built but it's not part of Myrtle beach to Wilmington corridor.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/public-meetings/Documents/U-5932-public-meeting-map.pdf

Delco bypass is in this though, NC-211 freeway is not in this

https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/TPBCTP/Columbus%20County/Draft%20CTP%20Maps.pdf

While this is not NCDOT, it is interesting that both the Delco Bypass and construction of a freeway from NC 87 to I-140 is listed as an "I-74" project. Obviously not anything official but I do think it nicely shows the regional attitude which is that I-74 should be brought to Wilmington. Personally, I couldn't think of any reason for a freeway along NC 211 if South Carolina ever builds I-73.

[Strider]

Brunswick County CTP has been updated, it appears that all of US-17 will be relocated onto a new alignment (with the exception of the Shallotte Bypass). NC 211 is not going to be a freeway, let alone I-74 coming that way, it's not happening.

Evidence can be seen on page 17 when looking at H183738:

I‐74 ‐ Construct I‐74 on new location

It's not getting carried over.

https://capefearcog.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/RTCC_Agenda_Packet_2020-04-01.pdf

This is a separate project, it's still getting built but it's not part of Myrtle beach to Wilmington corridor.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/public-meetings/Documents/U-5932-public-meeting-map.pdf

Delco bypass is in this though, NC-211 freeway is not in this

https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/TPBCTP/Columbus%20County/Draft%20CTP%20Maps.pdf

While this is not NCDOT, it is interesting that both the Delco Bypass and construction of a freeway from NC 87 to I-140 is listed as an "I-74" project. Obviously not anything official but I do think it nicely shows the regional attitude which is that I-74 should be brought to Wilmington. Personally, I couldn't think of any reason for a freeway along NC 211 if South Carolina ever builds I-73.

It may be an I-x74. Who knows, but I do not think I-74 is going south along NC 211 to Myrtle Beach. There is a lot of wetlands along that route and there may be a lot of opposition, so it should just head east to Wilmington and be done with it.

[WashuOtaku]

It may be an I-x74. Who knows, but I do not think I-74 is going south along NC 211 to Myrtle Beach. There is a lot of wetlands along that route and there may be a lot of opposition, so it should just head east to Wilmington and be done with it.

LOL, here is that wishful thinking again.

[roadman65]

https://goo.gl/maps/Q2GP9v6nKCFjxF2T6

Does anyone know why US 1 SB at US 220 does a jog now instead of traveling straight across US 220 NB like it always done?

[sprjus4]

It may be an I-x74. Who knows, but I do not think I-74 is going south along NC 211 to Myrtle Beach. There is a lot of wetlands along that route and there may be a lot of opposition, so it should just head east to Wilmington and be done with it.

LOL, here is that wishful thinking again.

Wishful thinking is that anything will ever get built along NC-211 south of Bolton.

US-74 east of Bolton is far more likely to see improvements.

[Mapmikey]

https://goo.gl/maps/Q2GP9v6nKCFjxF2T6

Does anyone know why US 1 SB at US 220 does a jog now instead of traveling straight across US 220 NB like it always done?

I see no sense in what they did here (apparently in 2015).  If the issue was T-bone crashes, then the new movement still requires crossing all lanes because the left turn is immediately upon you.

Looking at GMSV before the change, it is possible trees, etc. limited the view a little bit, but you could've just removed the trees.

US 1 is eventually going to be rerouted so that it bypasses Rockingham around the north side and will use US 220's route heading south.  If they retain the former route as US 1 Business, it would make sense to move it onto Midway Rd over to the existing diamond interchange for the southbound movement.

[sprjus4]

^ Without taking a position on the issue, If I had to guess, it would seem the issue wasn't crossing the carriageways, but rather vehicles approaching the intersection on US-1 South and not stopping, blowing straight through instead.

With the new curving and forced right turn, a vehicle is much more likely to stop and not blow it.

It likely wasn't many vehicles, but it likely happened more than once.

[bob7374]

In the 'Why did that take so long? category. The NCDOT Board of Transportation approved of the ordinance relocating NC 150 in Kernersville on March 8. The route change request was submitted in Dec. 2015 and signage reflecting the change was put up in 2020, the request was issued prior to the decision to remove Business 40 on March 8 (p. 5 and appendix) and so that route is shown in all the maps:
https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/safety/Ordinance%20Packages/2022/2022_03_08.pdf

[fillup420]

^ Without taking a position on the issue, If I had to guess, it would seem the issue wasn't crossing the carriageways, but rather vehicles approaching the intersection on US-1 South and not stopping, blowing straight through instead.

With the new curving and forced right turn, a vehicle is much more likely to stop and not blow it.

It likely wasn't many vehicles, but it likely happened more than once.

I bet this was the case. It reminds me of a similar situation at NC 11/NC 903. 903 was most likely given that little jog on NC 11 to prevent cross traffic on 903 blowing through the stop sign. Older images show that 903 had a stop previously, while 11 didn't

[Strider]

^ Without taking a position on the issue, If I had to guess, it would seem the issue wasn't crossing the carriageways, but rather vehicles approaching the intersection on US-1 South and not stopping, blowing straight through instead.

With the new curving and forced right turn, a vehicle is much more likely to stop and not blow it.

It likely wasn't many vehicles, but it likely happened more than once.

I heard it was realigned because of vehicles not stopping at the intersection and causing wrecks along the way. You may be right.