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Which new/future interstate is most likely to be done and completed first?

Started by TheBox, November 10, 2023, 01:59:52 PM

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Which future interstate here you think will be the soonest in the near future?

I-69E (US-77) bypasses around Refugio, Odem, and Riviera
19 (32.2%)
I-69 (US-59/US-84) from Nacogdoches to TX/LA state line
2 (3.4%)
I-27W (TX-349/TX-158) from Lamesa to Midland-Odessa to Sterling City
0 (0%)
I-14 (US-190 and maybe TX-30?) from Temple to Bryan-College Station to Huntsville
2 (3.4%)
US-290 or TX-71 from Houston/Columbus to Austin (to interstate standards)
4 (6.8%)
I-57 (US-67/US-62/US-60) from Little Rock to AR/MO state line, if not Popular Bluff
17 (28.8%)
I-49 (US-90) from Lafayette to New Orleans
12 (20.3%)
I-42 (US-412/AR-612) from OK/AR state line to east of NWA
1 (1.7%)
US-287 from Fort Worth to Amarillo (also to interstate standards)
1 (1.7%)
I-369 (US-59) from Tenaha to Marshall to Texarkana
1 (1.7%)
I-27 (US-277/US-83) from San Angelo to Laredo
0 (0%)
I-69W (US-59) from Goliad to Laredo
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 59

Voting closed: November 24, 2023, 01:59:52 PM

TheBox

Which one of these proposals (or in the case of US-290/TX-71 or US-287 considerations) you think is the nearest in the future?

Between the likes of I-69E, I-14, I-49, I-57, US-412/AR-612, and maybe even I-27W or US-290/TX-71 for future interstates (extensions)
Wake me up when they upgrade US-290 between the state's largest city and growing capital into expressway standards if it interstate standards.

Giddings bypass, Elgin bypass, and Elgin-Manor freeway/tollway when?


The Ghostbuster

I would vote Interstate 49 between Lafyette and New Orleans, since much of the corridor is already up to freeway standards. The only roadblock could be getting future Interstate 49 constructed within the city of Lafyette.

jlam

Indeed, it would probably be I-49 in LA. Nothing else is really moving along. I-49's corridor is well-defined.

SkyPesos

Has the US 412 corridor interstate been confirmed as I-42 already?
It would seem weird to duplicate 42 when every number between 46 and 62 are available, but whatever.

TheBox

Quote from: SkyPesos on November 10, 2023, 02:25:19 PM
Has the US 412 corridor interstate been confirmed as I-42 already?
It would seem weird to duplicate 42 when every number between 46 and 62 are available, but whatever.
Oklahoma proposed it, it's also apparently supposed to go further west from Tulsa to I-35 around the Fancy Dance Casino
Wake me up when they upgrade US-290 between the state's largest city and growing capital into expressway standards if it interstate standards.

Giddings bypass, Elgin bypass, and Elgin-Manor freeway/tollway when?

sprjus4

Quote from: SkyPesos on November 10, 2023, 02:25:19 PM
Has the US 412 corridor interstate been confirmed as I-42 already?
It would seem weird to duplicate 42 when every number between 46 and 62 are available, but whatever.
It's what Oklahoma wants, but I'm not sure that AASHTO or the FHWA have actually approved it. They would be wise not to.

TheBox

Quote from: jlam on November 10, 2023, 02:21:31 PM
Indeed, it would probably be I-49 in LA. Nothing else is really moving along. I-49's corridor is well-defined.

I get what you mean but Texas lately been wanting to get I-27 designates as quickly as possible
https://abc7amarillo.com/amp/news/local/progress-made-on-ports-to-plains-corridor-project-aimed-at-enhancing-transportation-and-safety-in-texas-panhandle-lauren-garduno-milton-pax-dumas-texas
https://www.everythinglubbock.com/news/local-news/update-on-the-ports-to-plains-corridor-naming-interstate-27/amp/

It also helps that US-87 from Lubbock all the way to San Angelo is already a 4-lane divided expressway with a recent Big Spring bypass to boot. And every remaining bypass to be done just so happens to involve I-27W.

Texas also just did a I-14 study between Temple to BCS and Huntsville not too along ago, whiling a Rogers bypass is being done (in case it isn't finished by now).

But those would be my runner-ups after I-49........those and US-412/AR-612 to an lesser extent.
Wake me up when they upgrade US-290 between the state's largest city and growing capital into expressway standards if it interstate standards.

Giddings bypass, Elgin bypass, and Elgin-Manor freeway/tollway when?

TheBox

Wake me up when they upgrade US-290 between the state's largest city and growing capital into expressway standards if it interstate standards.

Giddings bypass, Elgin bypass, and Elgin-Manor freeway/tollway when?

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Bobby5280

I voted US-290 and/or TX-71 between Austin and Houston. I-69 is the most "official" Interstate expansion project in Texas, but it's probably going to take at least another 20-40 years for it to be completed. I think TX DOT will be forced to do a lot of additional Interstate quality upgrades on the US-290 and TX-71 corridors in the near term due to the continued growth of the Houston and Austin metro areas. The spot upgrades (at grade intersections converted to freeway exits) are going to keep adding up until one or both of those corridors gets filled out to 100% limited access. They both may end up keeping their current highway designations (and not be labeled as Interstates) but I think they'll get fleshed out into Interstate quality faster than the other I-projects in Texas.

MaxConcrete

There's no question in my mind that "I-69E (US-77) bypasses around Refugio, Odem, and Riviera" will be done first. I-69E is high priority for TxDOT, and TxDOT is spending between $500 million and $1 billion per year on I-69 projects. The Riviera bypass is slated to start in 2027. Refugio has environmental clearance and Odem environmental process is underway.

I'll be surprised to see any of these other corridors done by 2040, and most won't have much work done by 2050. I-14 from Temple to Huntsville could possibly get underway in the 2030s.

As for I-49 from Lafayette to New Orleans, I drove that section a few years ago and I was unpleasantly surprised at the huge amount of work that needs to be done. Much of the existing 4x4 divided sections are near the end of service life and need to be rebuilt. I haven't seen a recent estimate, but I'm thinking the interstate upgrade is in the $3 billion range. Louisiana has massive unfunded needs, and it will struggle just to get higher-priority projects like I-10 Lake Charles and a new Baton Rouge bridge done. I expect some progress on that section of I-49, mostly around Lafayette, but I just can't see the entire section getting done.
www.DFWFreeways.com
www.HoustonFreeways.com

TheBox

Quote from: Bobby5280 on November 10, 2023, 06:10:24 PM
I voted US-290 and/or TX-71 between Austin and Houston. I-69 is the most "official" Interstate expansion project in Texas, but it's probably going to take at least another 20-40 years for it to be completed. I think TX DOT will be forced to do a lot of additional Interstate quality upgrades on the US-290 and TX-71 corridors in the near term due to the continued growth of the Houston and Austin metro areas. The spot upgrades (at grade intersections converted to freeway exits) are going to keep adding up until one or both of those corridors gets filled out to 100% limited access. They both may end up keeping their current highway designations (and not be labeled as Interstates) but I think they'll get fleshed out into Interstate quality faster than the other I-projects in Texas.

They're about to do a Chappell Hill overpass/spot upgrade and a Brenham realignment, so there's that.

Chappell Hill overpass


Brenham re-alignment


Now if only they can work on a Giddings bypass, it's long overdue
Wake me up when they upgrade US-290 between the state's largest city and growing capital into expressway standards if it interstate standards.

Giddings bypass, Elgin bypass, and Elgin-Manor freeway/tollway when?

TheBox

At this point, I'm gonna replace I-69W with the more realistic I-69E (which has much more progress), because I can

And with the 2 votes still intact, speaking of whose the second guy who voted for I-69W?

EDIT: Also the I-27 options switched places as they still had no votes, and moved I-69W to the bottom
Wake me up when they upgrade US-290 between the state's largest city and growing capital into expressway standards if it interstate standards.

Giddings bypass, Elgin bypass, and Elgin-Manor freeway/tollway when?

bwana39

I-69W (US-59) from Goliad to Laredo
- 2 (14.3%)  Seems as likely as any of the others. I have never been there.

I-69 (US-59/US-84) from Nacogdoches to TX/LA state line
- 2 (14.3%) To The north side of Nacogdoches and maybe to North of Tenaha by 2030. To the state line is at least 25 years away if ever. Louisiana has ZERO interest//


I-27 (US-277/US-83) from San Angelo to Laredo
- 0 (0%)  This is a wish list road. 4-lane divided with bypsses and selected grade separation by 2050.

I-14 (US-190 and maybe TX-30?) from Temple to Bryan-College Station to Huntsville
- 2 (14.3%) This one may go fairly quickly , maybe by 2035.

US-290 or TX-71 from Houston/Columbus to Austin (to interstate standards)
- 1 (7.1%)  15-20 years, It could move up.

US-287 from Fort Worth to Amarillo (also to interstate standards)
- 0 (0%) My belief this is the most needed one in Texas, but still 30-35 years.  Just 4-lane divided with select grade separation is probably 20. (BTW, it is closer from DFW to LA going through Amarillo)

I-49 (US-90) from Lafayette to New Orleans
- 6 (42.9%)  If LA can get this financed, it is probably around a decade.


I-42 (US-412/AR-612) from OK/AR state line to east of NWA
- 1 (7.1%)   This one is probably the first one finished. Oklahoma has their part mostly done. Arkansas will play it like it is a bowl game at least through Springdale. Probably to the White River. Once I-49 and I-57 are finished, they will jump on this one.

I-27W (TX-349/TX-158) from Lamesa to Midland-Odessa to Sterling City
- 0 (0%)    I know this opinion is not popular, but it should skip Midland / Odessa and just follow US-87. 

I-369 (US-59) from Tenaha to Marshall to Texarkana  This one is probably finished before I-69 to I-20 probably before I-69 to I-49.
Let's build what we need as economically as possible.

ilpt4u


TheBox

Quote from: ilpt4u on November 10, 2023, 08:30:38 PM
I like how I-57 via US 60 and US 67 is not a voting option

Shit which I forgot, thanks for reminding me

EDIT: added I-57
Wake me up when they upgrade US-290 between the state's largest city and growing capital into expressway standards if it interstate standards.

Giddings bypass, Elgin bypass, and Elgin-Manor freeway/tollway when?

TheBox

Quote from: bwana39 on November 10, 2023, 08:00:32 PM
I-69W (US-59) from Goliad to Laredo
- 2 (14.3%)  Seems as likely as any of the others. I have never been there.

I-69 (US-59/US-84) from Nacogdoches to TX/LA state line
- 2 (14.3%) To The north side of Nacogdoches and maybe to North of Tenaha by 2030. To the state line is at least 25 years away if ever. Louisiana has ZERO interest//


I-27 (US-277/US-83) from San Angelo to Laredo
- 0 (0%)  This is a wish list road. 4-lane divided with bypsses and selected grade separation by 2050.

I-14 (US-190 and maybe TX-30?) from Temple to Bryan-College Station to Huntsville
- 2 (14.3%) This one may go fairly quickly , maybe by 2035.

US-290 or TX-71 from Houston/Columbus to Austin (to interstate standards)
- 1 (7.1%)  15-20 years, It could move up.

US-287 from Fort Worth to Amarillo (also to interstate standards)
- 0 (0%) My belief this is the most needed one in Texas, but still 30-35 years.  Just 4-lane divided with select grade separation is probably 20. (BTW, it is closer from DFW to LA going through Amarillo)

I-49 (US-90) from Lafayette to New Orleans
- 6 (42.9%)  If LA can get this financed, it is probably around a decade.


I-42 (US-412/AR-612) from OK/AR state line to east of NWA
- 1 (7.1%)   This one is probably the first one finished. Oklahoma has their part mostly done. Arkansas will play it like it is a bowl game at least through Springdale. Probably to the White River. Once I-49 and I-57 are finished, they will jump on this one.

I-27W (TX-349/TX-158) from Lamesa to Midland-Odessa to Sterling City
- 0 (0%)    I know this opinion is not popular, but it should skip Midland / Odessa and just follow US-87. 

I-369 (US-59) from Tenaha to Marshall to Texarkana  This one is probably finished before I-69 to I-20 probably before I-69 to I-49.

I updated this poll a bit since it's initial inception with a few more options I added for you to talk about:
I-69E (US-77) - The last 3 bypasses being Refugio, Odem, and Riviera
I-57 (US-67/US-60) - Little Rock to AR/MO state line, and maybe even all the way to Sikeston if we're lucky
Wake me up when they upgrade US-290 between the state's largest city and growing capital into expressway standards if it interstate standards.

Giddings bypass, Elgin bypass, and Elgin-Manor freeway/tollway when?

TheBox

Alright here's my own rankings:
I-69E (my vote) > I-14 > I-57 > I-42/US-412/AR-612 > I-49 (it's only this low because it's Louisiana my dude) > US-290/TX-71 > I-27W > the rest

I wish I could put US-290/TX-71 higher
Wake me up when they upgrade US-290 between the state's largest city and growing capital into expressway standards if it interstate standards.

Giddings bypass, Elgin bypass, and Elgin-Manor freeway/tollway when?

pj3970

Honestly, my vote was for I-42 in Oklahoma/Arkansas...but in all reality, I believe that it will be I-57 done first.

The Ghostbuster

I guess we'll all have to just wait and see which is completed first. Time will tell.

Road Hog

Please differentiate between "new / future" and "fictional." Some lines are getting blurred here.

Some one

Quote from: Road Hog on November 11, 2023, 09:35:33 PM
Please differentiate between "new / future" and "fictional." Some lines are getting blurred here.
Yeah, I would say "new/future interstates" and "non-interstate upgrades."

Anthony_JK

If I had to hanker a guess:

1) I-69E from Robstown to Brownsville
2) US 67/I-57 from Walnut Ridge to MO border/Popular Bluff
3) TX 71 from Austin to I-10 at Columbus
4) I-42/US 412 from OK/AR line to I-49 (including western half of Springdale Bypass (AR 612)
5) I-49 South through Lafayette/Broussard & through Patterson/Bayou Vista/Berwick

Caveat on 5) is whether funds might be diverted to cover missing costs for the I-10 Calcasieu River Bridge project since toll funding for the latter have been rejected. Or, they may decide to delay that project and divert funds to at least the Lafayette Connector/Broussard segments, then complete the segment through P/BV/Berwick to have controlled access all the way to Des Allemands; then slow roll the remaining sections to I-310 and the finished Westbank Expressway.




3467

I don't think it's fictional because all the state's seem to want them.....or doing some planning......
How about 49 and 69 in AR  and 14 east of 45?
Those are dreams if we get more money?
This region seems to be the only one with big interstate plans or dreams.

Bobby5280

At first glance "I-42" in AR/OK seems nearly complete, but there is actually a lot of work left to do.

A bypass around Siloam Springs is the biggest hurdle. A couple of public meetings have been held on the topic, but the whole thing still appears to be in the study phase. We're likely at least several years out from an alignment being selected and construction getting underway. And ODOT/OTA will have to build a connection to that bypass on the Oklahoma side of the border to Dripping Springs and the East End of the Cherokee Turnpike.

US-412 between I-44 in Tulsa and West end of the Cherokee Turnpike looks pretty easy to upgrade. But it's about 25 miles of road to upgrade. The ROW is mostly in place, but there is a slew of new exits to build and other at-grade intersections to bridge over or just cut off. Going West out of Tulsa the US-412 freeway has some deficient ramps and shoulders to address. The Cimarron Turnpike still has things that need to be fixed on it. All of those things take money to get done. The state government's policies will provide only a slow trickle of funding. So the work is going to take a long time to get completed. I wouldn't expect to see "I-42" signed completely between I-35 and I-49 before the mid-late 2030's.

Out of short segments of highway, I can see I-69E between Victoria and I-37 getting done within the next 10 years. It seems likely I-69 between the Houston and Corpus Christi area will be finished in the 2030's. Segments elsewhere will take decades longer unless the Federal government gets much more aggressive about funding these projects.



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