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Title: Nevada
Post by: gonealookin on November 27, 2018, 11:43:03 PM
MOD NOTE: This post was split off from the general “California” thread. —Roadfro


There's no thread for general comments about Nevada so I thought I'd bring this up here.  Lake Tahoe is mostly in California anyway, so, close enough.

In most of Nevada, either chains on the drive wheels or snow tires on all four make a vehicle legal when chain controls are in effect.  Starting this winter, on Tahoe-area roads US 50 (Stateline to Carson City), NV 207 Kingsbury Grade (Stateline to Carson Valley) and NV 431 Mt. Rose Highway (Incline Village to south Reno), snow tires on a two-wheel drive vehicle don't make it legal.  A two-wheel drive vehicle must don the chains in a chain control zone.  Only four-wheel drive or all-wheel drive vehicles are legal with snow tires and no chains.  The change brings these roads into conformity with California's R-2 chain control condition.

NDOT has changed the signage accordingly.

(https://i.imgur.com/IK1cbVh.jpg)

I'm not sure why they didn't include NV 28 from Incline Village to US 50 at Spooner Lake.  Here's the NDOT press release on this change.

https://www.nevadadot.com/Home/Components/News/News/4074/395

This upcoming winter is my tenth living full-time at Tahoe and I haven't installed chains once in that time.  The AWD Toyota RAV4 with Bridgestone Blizzaks is a very stable setup.  I have the Blizzaks mounted on separate rims so it's 45 minutes at the tire store in early November and the middle of April; since that's the same store where I bought the tires and rims they do the swap for free.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: roadfro on November 28, 2018, 03:38:24 AM
There's no thread for general comments about Nevada . . .


Taking a cue from the Northwest and Mountain West boards, I’ve been thinking about having general “state” topics for the Pacific Southwest board. This comment gave me the perfect reason to go ahead and implement it, so thanks!

I’ve made this thread a sticky for random observations or questions relating to Nevada. Moving forward, if a topic in this thread starts delving into detailed/extended conversation, I’ll likely split that discussion off to a more dedicated thread.

—Roadfro
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: roadfro on November 28, 2018, 03:51:19 AM
In most of Nevada, either chains on the drive wheels or snow tires on all four make a vehicle legal when chain controls are in effect.  Starting this winter, on Tahoe-area roads US 50 (Stateline to Carson City), NV 207 Kingsbury Grade (Stateline to Carson Valley) and NV 431 Mt. Rose Highway (Incline Village to south Reno), snow tires on a two-wheel drive vehicle don't make it legal.  A two-wheel drive vehicle must don the chains in a chain control zone.  Only four-wheel drive or all-wheel drive vehicles are legal with snow tires and no chains.  The change brings these roads into conformity with California's R-2 chain control condition.

NDOT has changed the signage accordingly.

(https://i.imgur.com/IK1cbVh.jpg)

I'm not sure why they didn't include NV 28 from Incline Village to US 50 at Spooner Lake.  Here's the NDOT press release on this change.

https://www.nevadadot.com/Home/Components/News/News/4074/395

I had heard something briefly about chain controls changing, but never saw this press release. Thanks for sharing. Seems like a positive change.

I’m with you on SR 28...seems like it should be included with the others. I wonder if it has to do with SR 28 having less elevation change—it’s relatively flat (being mostly along the lake shore) compared to the others (which all traverse major inclines and passes from Tahoe through the Sierra Nevada down to populated valleys). It might also be a result of far fewer recorded crashes than the other highways.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: gonealookin on November 28, 2018, 08:06:04 PM
Thanks for the dedicated thread, roadfro, good idea.

I checked NV 28 today.  Since every state-maintained highway it connects to (CA 28, NV 431, US 50) now uses the California R-2 standard, I thought maybe it had somehow just been omitted from the NDOT release.  Nope, it still has the usual Nevada signage.

(https://i.imgur.com/pOCVovK.jpg)

I keep track of this because, when chain controls are in effect, I know I'm in compliance.  If I'm in a crash, I'm looking at the other car to see if that one is legal as well.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: Kniwt on February 08, 2019, 12:26:52 PM
I missed this back in late December:

https://elkodaily.com/news/local/state-raises-speed-limit-between-elko-and-wells/article_e0cc6575-2caa-5968-9df4-df8e04ff4c73.html

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Traffic is moving faster between Elko and Wells these days. The speed limit on Interstate 80 has been raised from 75 to 80 miles per hour for most of the drive between the two Elko County towns.

Noticed this today because of this followup:

https://elkodaily.com/news/local/highway-patrol-strictly-enforcing-new-mph-speed-limit-in-elko/article_9cdb00dc-6aae-5a35-80e9-53a10a44ca51.html

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“With the recent increase of the speed limit on additional sections of Interstate 80 in Nevada from 75 miles per hour to 80 miles per hour, we want to advise the motoring public that the Nevada Highway Patrol will be strictly enforcing the 80 miles per hour speed limit,” the agency announced.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: ClassicHasClass on February 11, 2019, 01:49:32 AM
Curious why some highways don't have a "Welcome to Nevada" sign at the state line? Border monuments are on the way!

Ask Joe: Why no "Welcome to Nevada" sign at Bordertown? (https://mynews4.com/on-your-side/ask-joe/ask-joe-why-no-welcome-to-nevada-sign-at-bordertown), MyNews4, 11/30/18
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Last year NDOT set out to replace all the "Welcome to Nevada" signs, the ones showing a lone prospector with new versions which were designed by Nevada high school students.

Most of those have been installed but in spots like Bordertown NDOT is designing what it calls gateway monuments like this to welcome people into the state. There will be six of the gateway monuments. Here in the North, they'll be installed at Bordertown, Topaz Lake and Crystal Bay up at Lake Tahoe.

Wow, one on each stateline crossing of US 395. Not bad.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: roadfro on February 21, 2019, 09:54:06 AM
A bill currently proposed in the legislature will consider the possibility of automated enforcement cameras in Nevada.

Nevada lawmakers consider possibility of red light cameras (https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/politics-and-government/2019-legislature/nevada-lawmakers-consider-possibility-of-red-light-cameras-1600905/), Las Vegas Review-Journal, 2/19/19
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On Tuesday, the Senate Committee on Growth and Infrastructure heard Senate Bill 43, which would allow law enforcement agencies to use traffic cameras to cite drivers who fail to stop at a red light. The bill was requested by the Nevada Office of Traffic Safety.

Current state law reads that if a camera is used, a law enforcement officer must be present and the device must be handheld or installed in a vehicle.
<...>
If the bill is signed into law, it would be up to each jurisdiction to decide whether to implement the technology.

The jurisdiction would have to show just cause to install a camera — for example, a high rate of crashes occurring at a specific intersection — and must provide proof that other measures had failed to deter the problem.
<...>
If the bill is passed into law, Nevada would become the 25th state to use automated traffic enforcement.

Automated traffic enforcement was outlawed in Nevada in 1999, citing technology concerns. A similar bill was heard during the 2009 Legislative session, but was shot down.


NELIS overview page on Senate Bill 43 (https://www.leg.state.nv.us/App/NELIS/REL/80th2019/Bill/5962/Overview) (includes link to full text of bill).


While the article above seems to focus on red light cameras, the text of SB 43 indicates that automated enforcement devices could be used enforce the provisions of NRS 484B.300 (obedience to traffic control devices), NRS 484B.307 (traffic controlled by traffic control devices) or NRS 484B.600 (basic speed & speed limit rules).

Some other points, from reading the full text of the bill (as originally introduced):
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: ClassicHasClass on February 21, 2019, 02:42:46 PM
Of course, that last will just turn them into even more of a money grab than they are now, because now there wouldn't be any pretense of them actually improving safety. "Just send the city the money."

Not that I'm arguing for them!
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: Plutonic Panda on February 28, 2019, 11:43:19 AM
I sure hope they automated traffic enforcement bill dies a quick death!
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: Kniwt on March 30, 2019, 12:43:11 AM
The Elko Daily Free Press reports on what went wrong with the February snowstorm closure of the Lamoille Highway (NV 227), the only road connecting Elko and nearby Spring Creek (which now is almost as big as Elko itself). It mentions several possible improvements to the highway.

https://elkodaily.com/news/local/lamoille-summit-snow-closure-a-closer-look-at-what-went/article_51a91603-43a3-5256-a9fb-0ad47c02bce7.html

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In the aftermath of the Feb. 13 snowstorm that led to car crashes and closure of Lamoille Highway, stranding Spring Creek residents, the Elko County Regional Transportation Commission is looking at emergency and long-term solutions.

Nevada Highway Patrol closed the highway over the summit on Feb. 13 because of “extreme whiteout conditions, drifting snow, stuck vehicles and crashes,” trooper Jim Stewart said the day after the closure.

The closure snarled traffic on the east side of Elko as motorists turned around and sought motel rooms when they believed they wouldn’t make it home that night. The highway, however, was reopened later that night.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: roadfro on April 13, 2019, 11:15:56 AM
A bill currently proposed in the legislature will consider the possibility of automated enforcement cameras in Nevada.

Nevada lawmakers consider possibility of red light cameras (https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/politics-and-government/2019-legislature/nevada-lawmakers-consider-possibility-of-red-light-cameras-1600905/), Las Vegas Review-Journal, 2/19/19

I sure hope they automated traffic enforcement bill dies a quick death!

Yesterday was the deadline for bills to make it out of committee in their original house.

SB 43 was heard in the Senate Growth & Infrastructure committee one time (2/19/19) but no action was taken. I don't see any further action (with me looking the morning after the deadline), although they could be slow on updating NELIS. But the early indication appears to be that the bill died in committee.

EDIT: Bill has died. Confirmed here: https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/politics-and-government/2019-legislature/bill-to-end-executions-in-nevada-falls-short-1640252/
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: ClassicHasClass on April 13, 2019, 01:42:48 PM
Good riddance to bad policy.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: Plutonic Panda on April 13, 2019, 04:34:41 PM
True that! I am glad to see that. Thank you for the update.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: SoCal Kid on May 10, 2019, 01:00:57 AM
Is CC 215 the only CC freeway in the US?
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: nexus73 on May 10, 2019, 10:19:27 AM
Is CC 215 the only CC freeway in the US?

Eugene has a short freeway called the Delta Highway, which runs from I-105 to SR 569 (Beltline Road).  I am not sure if it is a city or a county freeway but it is not a state or Interstate freeway.

Rick
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: roadfro on May 10, 2019, 11:19:28 AM
Is CC 215 the only CC freeway in the US?

Given the "CC" stands for "Clark County", I'm not aware of any other Clark Counties that have a freeway numbered 215...  :pan:

Doubtful that CC 215 is the only freeway maintained by a county agency in the US. But ISTR mention when it was first being planned that it was the first future interstate highway or beltway that was primarily planned/funded/constructed by a county agency (rather than a state DOT).
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: Mark68 on May 10, 2019, 01:39:05 PM
Pena Blvd in Denver.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: mrsman on May 11, 2019, 11:55:39 PM
IMO, while it is unique to have a county DOT fund a freeway, I am very glad that it is signed as well as it has.  IMO, every freeway, of whatever type, should be identified with a number of some sort, just to make it easier to navigate as well as to place numbers on maps.  There are some freeways out there that are maintained locally, but aren't numbered.  These include many of the parkways around NYC (which are full freeways, even if they don't  meet interstate standards or allow for trucks).

Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: SoCal Kid on May 12, 2019, 12:42:59 PM
Is CC 215 the only CC freeway in the US?

Given the "CC" stands for "Clark County", I'm not aware of any other Clark Counties that have a freeway numbered 215...  :pan:

Doubtful that CC 215 is the only freeway maintained by a county agency in the US. But ISTR mention when it was first being planned that it was the first future interstate highway or beltway that was primarily planned/funded/constructed by a county agency (rather than a state DOT).
CR 215*  :banghead:
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: Max Rockatansky on May 12, 2019, 02:48:40 PM
Is CC 215 the only CC freeway in the US?

Given the "CC" stands for "Clark County", I'm not aware of any other Clark Counties that have a freeway numbered 215...  :pan:

Doubtful that CC 215 is the only freeway maintained by a county agency in the US. But ISTR mention when it was first being planned that it was the first future interstate highway or beltway that was primarily planned/funded/constructed by a county agency (rather than a state DOT).
CR 215*  :banghead:

Personally I don’t see that necessarily as a bad thing that a county agency or city would want to get into the freeway building game.  A local agency conceivably have more pull in getting through all the red tape than a State DOT could.  Locally maintained freeways are far more common outside the United States, I recently drove two owned/maintained by the City of Hamilton in Ontario.   
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: Bickendan on May 27, 2019, 11:52:50 PM
Is CC 215 the only CC freeway in the US?

Eugene has a short freeway called the Delta Highway, which runs from I-105 to SR 569 (Beltline Road).  I am not sure if it is a city or a county freeway but it is not a state or Interstate freeway.

Rick
Lane County 1750
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: nexus73 on May 28, 2019, 09:36:51 AM
Is CC 215 the only CC freeway in the US?

Eugene has a short freeway called the Delta Highway, which runs from I-105 to SR 569 (Beltline Road).  I am not sure if it is a city or a county freeway but it is not a state or Interstate freeway.

Rick
Lane County 1750

Must be the only section of freeway with a 4-digit number.  It would be fun to see a route shield!

Rick
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: roadfro on June 15, 2019, 02:54:52 PM
Over the next year and a half, NDOT is swapping maintenance/management of some state roads in the Las Vegas Valley with the City of Las Vegas & Clark County. The result brings the Summerlin Parkway and the remainder of the I-215 portion of the Las Vegas Beltway under NDOT control. (Some of these transfers, including Summerlin Parkway, were reflected in NDOT's SMH log in January 2019.)

https://www.reviewjournal.com/traffic/city-county-state-to-swap-various-las-vegas-valley-roadways-1684054/
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: vdeane on June 15, 2019, 09:12:09 PM
Is some of I-215 county maintained?  I'm having a hard time figuring out which portions of I-215/CR 215 are involved.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: US 89 on June 15, 2019, 09:33:46 PM
Is some of I-215 county maintained?  I'm having a hard time figuring out which portions of I-215/CR 215 are involved.

NDOT currently only maintains the portions of I-215 between 515 and Stephanie St and between Warm Springs Rd and I-15 (this western portion is maintained by NDOT even though it is owned by Clark County). The remainder of I-215 plus all of current CC 215 are county maintained.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: gonealookin on June 18, 2019, 08:36:29 PM
Here's one for the Nevada Oddities file:  Permanently-installed US 395 cutout shields!

There's a detour route for US 395 from Holbrook Junction, just north of Topaz Lake at the NV/CA state line, to Bridgeport CA, following NV 208, NV 829, NV 338 and CA 182.  All but about 12 miles of the mileage of the detour route is in Nevada, but 98% of the bypassed portion of US 395 is in California.  There must have been enough closures of that section of US 395 (slides in the Walker River canyon, wildfires, construction, whatever) that at some point Caltrans and NDOT agreed to put these assemblies in place.  There must be over a dozen of them along the detour route.  They're almost always turned away from the road, "Chains Required" style.

The one in these photos is in "downtown" Wellington NV, on NV 829 approaching NV 208.  I like the irony that this one is directly across the road from NDOT's Wellington maintenance yard.

(https://i.imgur.com/JPHBLTa.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/HB3IXD6.jpg)
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: ClassicHasClass on June 18, 2019, 11:28:01 PM
I wonder if Caltrans provided the signs and NDOT put them up. I might have a drive out there and have a look at them.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: roadfro on June 19, 2019, 11:45:28 AM
Very interesting. Definitely seems like Caltrans provided all the signs but NDOT posted them (as I don't think Caltrans braces signs to the extent NDOT does).


We did use to have one permanently-installed and traffic-facing California-style cutout, on US 93 at the Major's Place junction with US 6/50 (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:2014-08-09_11_31_57_Signs_along_southbound_U.S._Route_93_about_26.7_miles_north_of_the_Lincoln_County_line_near_Majors_Place,_Nevada.JPG). It appears to have been a contractor one-off, but was around for a while—according to Street View, it has since been replaced.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: ClassicHasClass on June 19, 2019, 09:32:21 PM
When was that? The last time I was out that way was '06.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: roadfro on June 20, 2019, 10:11:57 AM
When was that? The last time I was out that way was '06.

I've never seen it in person myself. The cutout was there in a November 2007 Street View, and the photo I linked on Wikimedia Commons was taken in August 2014. The May 2018 Street View shows a standard US 93 shield (and the scenic route sign is gone).
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: Max Rockatansky on June 20, 2019, 10:16:06 AM
I’ve seen a couple US 395 cut-outs in Nevada over the years, unfortunately didn’t have the presence in mind to take photos.  I’ve also seen a stray cut-out US 95 shield between Fallon and Beaty which I’m assuming was just Caltrans surplus. 
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: roadfro on June 20, 2019, 10:44:24 AM
I’ve seen a couple US 395 cut-outs in Nevada over the years, unfortunately didn’t have the presence in mind to take photos.  I’ve also seen a stray cut-out US 95 shield between Fallon and Beaty which I’m assuming was just Caltrans surplus.

Hmm... I've made the drive between Reno and Las Vegas at least once a year for the past 17-18 years and not seen a US 95 cutout. I'll have to be more attentive.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: Max Rockatansky on June 20, 2019, 11:52:55 AM
I’ve seen a couple US 395 cut-outs in Nevada over the years, unfortunately didn’t have the presence in mind to take photos.  I’ve also seen a stray cut-out US 95 shield between Fallon and Beaty which I’m assuming was just Caltrans surplus.

Hmm... I've made the drive between Reno and Las Vegas at least once a year for the past 17-18 years and not seen a US 95 cutout. I'll have to be more attentive.

I want to say there is was at one or two south of Boulder City or at least before it was four-laned.  I’m not seeing anything in my photo stock but I didn’t take highway shields seriously before 2016. 
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: ClassicHasClass on June 21, 2019, 12:30:05 AM
It must have been prior to the 4-laning because I'm with roadfro here -- I drive that stretch about annually in both directions between I-40 and US 93 and don't recall a cutout going back at least to around 2005.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: andy3175 on June 21, 2019, 12:33:25 AM
I wonder if Caltrans provided the signs and NDOT put them up. I might have a drive out there and have a look at them.

Maybe. I don't see a "State of California" property label on any of the component signs. If this is not a California shield assembly, then maybe it was manufactured by a company that used California US shield specifications.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: Max Rockatansky on June 21, 2019, 11:51:22 AM
It must have been prior to the 4-laning because I'm with roadfro here -- I drive that stretch about annually in both directions between I-40 and US 93 and don't recall a cutout going back at least to around 2005.

It’s certainly possible, I’ve been using US 95 between Fallon and Needles at least once a year since the turn of the century.  Suffice to say there has been a ton of changes to the roadway, especially south of US 93.  I quick look at the AAroads shield gallery, there wasn’t any additional California style cut-outs on there. 
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: gonealookin on July 01, 2019, 12:44:27 PM
The ~3-mile off-highway bicycle and pedestrian path along NV 28 between the Ponderosa Ranch at Incline Village and the Sand Harbor portion of Lake Tahoe Nevada State Park opened last Friday, June 28.  That project went on for a few years and there was quite a bit of related work on NV 28 itself which caused quite a bit of traffic disruption along there, so it's good to have it done and open for multiple reasons.  Watching the construction over that time it looks like a gorgeous path and I'll check it out once the Week From Hell At Tahoe, aka Fourth of July, is over and done with.

https://www.tahoedailytribune.com/news/hundreds-celebrate-opening-of-east-shore-trail-at-lake-tahoe/ (https://www.tahoedailytribune.com/news/hundreds-celebrate-opening-of-east-shore-trail-at-lake-tahoe/)
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 01, 2019, 04:41:34 PM
The ~3-mile off-highway bicycle and pedestrian path along NV 28 between the Ponderosa Ranch at Incline Village and the Sand Harbor portion of Lake Tahoe Nevada State Park opened last Friday, June 28.  That project went on for a few years and there was quite a bit of related work on NV 28 itself which caused quite a bit of traffic disruption along there, so it's good to have it done and open for multiple reasons.  Watching the construction over that time it looks like a gorgeous path and I'll check it out once the Week From Hell At Tahoe, aka Fourth of July, is over and done with.

https://www.tahoedailytribune.com/news/hundreds-celebrate-opening-of-east-shore-trail-at-lake-tahoe/ (https://www.tahoedailytribune.com/news/hundreds-celebrate-opening-of-east-shore-trail-at-lake-tahoe/)

I’d be curious to see that turned out.  We briefly looked at the construction of the bike path while visiting Sand Harbor last year.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: roadfro on September 15, 2019, 11:54:13 AM
If you're planning to "Storm Area 51", don't plan on taking a picture of the "Extraterrestrial Highway" signs along SR 375.

‘Extraterrestrial Highway’ sign removed before ‘Storm Area 51’ events (https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/local-nevada/extraterrestrial-highway-sign-removed-before-storm-area-51-events-1847672/), Las Vegas Review-Journal, 9/13/2019
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The popular “Extraterrestrial Highway” sign has been abducted by state transportation officials ahead of next week’s planned “Storm Area 51” related events.

The large rectangle sign, with “Extraterrestrial Highway” across it in white letters, the state of Nevada and an aircraft on it, located at the junction of state Route 318 and state Route 375 just northwest of U.S. Highway 93, was removed Thursday by the Nevada Department of Transportation. The same sign located in Rachel near the Little A’ Le’ Inn is set to come down this weekend, too.

Since the sign already is a popular photo destination for travelers, transportation officials feared the expected mass of people traveling from Las Vegas to the Alien Research Center in Hiko and the Little A’ Le’ Inn in Rachel, might compound expected traffic issues by stopping to take photos of the sign.

“It’s due for replacement since it’s currently unreadable from stickers and other vandalism,” said Tony Illia, transportation department spokesman. “As such, we removed it and will replace the sign after ‘Alienstock’ to help reduce traffic congestion at this location from people stopping to take pictures.”

The stretch of highway was given its nickname on April 18, 1996 and the sign is among the most stolen highway signs in Nevada, Illia said.

Despite that, the state officials said they didn’t necessarily think someone would take the sign over the weekend.

“This is a newly created event,” Illia added. “As such, we have no historical frame of reference. Regardless, we are still committed to being as properly prepared as possible.”

Interesting to me was the tidbit about these signs being some of the most stolen in the state. Given the novelty, that's not super surprising—but it is surprising given the remoteness of these signs, since you'd really have to go out of your way to steal these signs.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: Max Rockatansky on September 15, 2019, 01:00:26 PM
I guarantee someone would try to steal that sign during the event.  NV 375 shields already float around in suspiciously high circulation already, way too much so for such a remote highway.  Even I have one that I bought off an eBay seller, one at least that appears to be reputable. 
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: US 89 on September 15, 2019, 01:01:57 PM
Interesting to me was the tidbit about these signs being some of the most stolen in the state. Given the novelty, that's not super surprising—but it is surprising given the remoteness of these signs, since you'd really have to go out of your way to steal these signs.

Also somewhat surprising given the huge volume of stickers on those signs that make them essentially unreadable. If those signs really were stolen that often, you'd think there wouldn't be as many stickers since you'd be starting fresh every so often.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: Max Rockatansky on September 15, 2019, 01:20:28 PM
Interesting to me was the tidbit about these signs being some of the most stolen in the state. Given the novelty, that's not super surprising—but it is surprising given the remoteness of these signs, since you'd really have to go out of your way to steal these signs.

Also somewhat surprising given the huge volume of stickers on those signs that make them essentially unreadable. If those signs really were stolen that often, you'd think there wouldn't be as many stickers since you'd be starting fresh every so often.

He was referring to the bit Extraterrestrial Highway sign.  That sign is way too big to be casually stolen with a saw or socket wrench set hence why it was so heavily stickered.  The NV 375 shields are easily grabbed given they just have a few bolts on a sign post. 
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: corco on September 15, 2019, 01:45:01 PM
I find it...fascinating that government officials actually seriously think there's going to be a massive influx of tourists at Area 51
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: Max Rockatansky on September 15, 2019, 01:50:13 PM
I find it...fascinating that government officials actually seriously think there's going to be a massive influx of tourists at Area 51

My wife wanted to go watch the event until explained to her how remote the terrain really was.  I was all up for a trip to Great Basin National Park by way of Tonopah and Ely.  I would have gladly made time to see suburbanites shocked by the utter desolation of NV 375, US 6 and the Great Basin/Mojave Desert. 
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: corco on September 15, 2019, 01:52:46 PM
I find it...fascinating that government officials actually seriously think there's going to be a massive influx of tourists at Area 51

My wife wanted to go watch the event until explained to her how remote the terrain really was.  I was all up for a trip to Great Basin National Park by way of Tonopah and Ely.  I would have gladly made time to see suburbanites shocked by the utter desolation of NV 375, US 6 and the Great Basin/Mojave Desert. 

I just don't see what demographic actually goes out to Rachel, Nevada en masse for an event with no schedule or planning or lodging where you'd get cuffed and stuffed if you actually attempted to do what the fake event was ostensibly for. Maybe Burning Man-type folks...but they were just at Burning Man! They're not going to drive back out to rural Nevada for no reason two weeks later.

My guess is about 100 people show up. If that.

Edit: I see now there actually is a hastily organized event - I still don't think this is going to be much of a draw. The fact that there are still both tent and RV spots available at the Alien Research Center is telling.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: Max Rockatansky on September 15, 2019, 01:55:52 PM
I find it...fascinating that government officials actually seriously think there's going to be a massive influx of tourists at Area 51

My wife wanted to go watch the event until explained to her how remote the terrain really was.  I was all up for a trip to Great Basin National Park by way of Tonopah and Ely.  I would have gladly made time to see suburbanites shocked by the utter desolation of NV 375, US 6 and the Great Basin/Mojave Desert. 

I just don't see what demographic actually goes out to Rachel, Nevada en masse for an event with no schedule or planning or lodging where you'd get cuffed and stuffed if you actually attempted to do what the fake event was ostensibly for. Maybe Burning Man-type folks...but they were just at Burning Man! They're not going to drive back out to rural Nevada for no reason two weeks later.

My guess is about 100 people show up. If that.

Hell, I don’t even understand the appeal of Burning Man.  I can only speak for myself why I like the back country of Nevada, suffice to say it has almost zero general appeal to the general masses nor is equipped to facilitate them.  I guess with Burning Man you’re relatively close to Reno.  The desolation of a lonely and very dry desert is enough to deter 99% of people even before you get to things like organizing an event...or lack thereof. 
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: corco on September 15, 2019, 01:58:58 PM
I find it...fascinating that government officials actually seriously think there's going to be a massive influx of tourists at Area 51

My wife wanted to go watch the event until explained to her how remote the terrain really was.  I was all up for a trip to Great Basin National Park by way of Tonopah and Ely.  I would have gladly made time to see suburbanites shocked by the utter desolation of NV 375, US 6 and the Great Basin/Mojave Desert. 

I just don't see what demographic actually goes out to Rachel, Nevada en masse for an event with no schedule or planning or lodging where you'd get cuffed and stuffed if you actually attempted to do what the fake event was ostensibly for. Maybe Burning Man-type folks...but they were just at Burning Man! They're not going to drive back out to rural Nevada for no reason two weeks later.

My guess is about 100 people show up. If that.

Hell, I don’t even understand the appeal of Burning Man.  I can only speak for myself why I like the back country of Nevada, suffice to say it has almost zero general appeal to the general masses nor is equipped to facilitate them.  I guess with Burning Man you’re relatively close to Reno. 

I've always wanted to go to Burning Man once just to see it - I don't think it's my jam though, and going just to see it is frowned upon. I did gas up at the Love's in Fernley a couple weeks ago as Burning Man was ending, not realizing what was going on. Pulled into the crowded parking lot and all these out-of-state cars were just covered in dust and then went in and there were many oddly-dressed folks, standing in line to buy snacks with their Amex cards. In that little sampling, it struck me as the kind of thing I'd hate.

Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: Max Rockatansky on September 15, 2019, 02:07:19 PM
I find it...fascinating that government officials actually seriously think there's going to be a massive influx of tourists at Area 51

My wife wanted to go watch the event until explained to her how remote the terrain really was.  I was all up for a trip to Great Basin National Park by way of Tonopah and Ely.  I would have gladly made time to see suburbanites shocked by the utter desolation of NV 375, US 6 and the Great Basin/Mojave Desert. 

I just don't see what demographic actually goes out to Rachel, Nevada en masse for an event with no schedule or planning or lodging where you'd get cuffed and stuffed if you actually attempted to do what the fake event was ostensibly for. Maybe Burning Man-type folks...but they were just at Burning Man! They're not going to drive back out to rural Nevada for no reason two weeks later.

My guess is about 100 people show up. If that.

Hell, I don’t even understand the appeal of Burning Man.  I can only speak for myself why I like the back country of Nevada, suffice to say it has almost zero general appeal to the general masses nor is equipped to facilitate them.  I guess with Burning Man you’re relatively close to Reno. 

I've always wanted to go to Burning Man once just to see it - I don't think it's my jam though, and going just to see it is frowned upon. I did gas up at the Love's in Fernley a couple weeks ago as Burning Man was ending, not realizing what was going on. Pulled into the crowded parking lot and all these out-of-state cars were just covered in dust and then went in and there were many oddly-dressed folks, standing in line to buy snacks with their Amex cards. In that little sampling, it struck me as the kind of thing I'd hate.

I’ve done some exploring out on the back roads in Northwest Nevada and had some run ins with the Burning Man crowds.  About the nicest thing I can probably say they seemed out of place and really somewhat ill prepared to be there.  I don’t know, when I think of worthwhile things to do in Nevada it would probably be something like; hiking, finding a ghost town, off roading or participating in some event like the Military vehicle convoy on the old Lincoln Highway.  This whole Area 51 thing has that same feel that Burning Man kind of gave me. 
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: roadfro on October 21, 2019, 02:13:40 AM
Just came across this tweet... I'm dying (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191021/a0be7cc13b9c89a50bec07c0ac57269f.jpg)
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: skluth on November 01, 2019, 08:29:22 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I wish we could upvote posts like this. That's hysterical.  :clap:
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: X99 on November 07, 2019, 09:25:42 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I wish we could upvote posts like this. That's hysterical.  :clap:
I said that on the "threads you'll never see on AARoads" thread a few days ago
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: Kniwt on November 18, 2019, 10:09:23 PM
The Las Vegas Review-Journal reports that a five-year project begins this week to update 5.7 miles of the Strip from Spring Mountain to Sahara.
https://www.reviewjournal.com/traffic/major-las-vegas-strip-road-project-kicks-off-wednesday-1895788/

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The initial lane closures are part of a $47.7 million portion of the project that will affect Las Vegas Boulevard from Spring Mountain to Sahara Avenue through early 2021.

... Each phase includes repaving Las Vegas Boulevard, water main replacements, adding an additional fourth lane where right of way allows, pedestrian enhancements, technology and infrastructure upgrades to the traffic system, adding LED lighting and enhancement to medians. Work on all of the phases is expected to take more than five years to complete.

... Road work will be halted during major holidays and special events such as the NFL Draft in April, CES in January and the National Finals Rodeo in December.

Project website: https://resortcorridor.com
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: roadfro on November 19, 2019, 10:49:58 AM
The Las Vegas Review-Journal reports that a five-year project begins this week to update 5.7 miles of the Strip from Spring Mountain to Sahara.
https://www.reviewjournal.com/traffic/major-las-vegas-strip-road-project-kicks-off-wednesday-1895788/

Thanks for sharing this, I hadn't seen it yet.

Correction to the bolded part: The 5.7-mile project goes from I-215 to Sahara. The first phase appears to be Spring Mountain to Sahara.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: roadfro on November 30, 2019, 01:06:16 PM
If you're planning to "Storm Area 51", don't plan on taking a picture of the "Extraterrestrial Highway" signs along SR 375.

‘Extraterrestrial Highway’ sign removed before ‘Storm Area 51’ events (https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/local-nevada/extraterrestrial-highway-sign-removed-before-storm-area-51-events-1847672/), Las Vegas Review-Journal, 9/13/2019

Following up on this: The Extraterrestrial Highway sign has been restored. Actually a new one has been installed (identical design to previous) at a higher height to try and limit theft and vandalism.

‘Extraterrestrial Highway’ sign reappears after Storm Area 51 events (https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/local-nevada/extraterrestrial-highway-sign-reappears-after-storm-area-51-events-1897312/), Las Vegas Review-Journal, 11/20/19
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After being “abducted” by road crews ahead of the Storm Area 51 events in September, the popular Extraterrestrial Highway sign has reappeared.

A new version of the sign was installed at the junction of state Routes 318 and 375 in Lincoln County after the former one, which was covered in stickers and graffiti, was taken down ahead of the Alienstock and Area 51 Basecamp events, the Nevada Department of Transportation said Wednesday.

The sign is the most stolen sign in the state and was installed at a taller height to reduce vandalism and theft, according to NDOT.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: roadfro on December 07, 2019, 05:21:34 PM
There has been a recent uptick in wrong way freeway drivers in the Las Vegas area, with four instances resulting in fatalities occurring within less than a month.

Other states already using technology to combat wrong-way drivers (https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/local-las-vegas/other-states-already-using-technology-to-combat-wrong-way-drivers-1908982/), Las Vegas Review-Journal, 12/6/19
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Technology in use in Rhode Island, Arizona and Texas may provide a road map to help Nevada prevent wrong-way crashes on Silver State roadways, officials say.

Since Nov. 14, four people have died in wrong-way crashes in Southern Nevada on Interstate 15 alone. The most recent occurred Thursday night, when two motorists were killed in a wrong-way crash on I-15 near Primm.

That crash happened just two days after a motorist was killed driving the wrong way on I-15 at Charleston Boulevard. Three weeks earlier, on Nov. 14, yet another wrong-way driver was killed on I-15 crash near Cheyenne Avenue.
<...>
Rhode Island installed a “a radar-based” detection system called the Rhode Island Wrong-Way Mitigation Project on 24 ramps. As a wrong-way driver enters the ramp, brightly lit LED signs warn the driver they are headed the wrong way.

“If the vehicle keeps going through a couple of different zones … it would set off an alarm in our transportation management system,” St. Martin said.

The system notifies the Rhode Island State Police of a wrong-way driver, takes a picture of the vehicle and, if necessary, displays a message on overhead electronic message signs on the highway to warn other drivers in the immediate area that a wrong-way driver is approaching.

Drivers turn around

The system has been remarkably effective.

“An apparent wrong-way driver has gone through the system approximately 150 times,” St. Martin said. “Of all those instances we have only had one crash and no fatalities. … In most of the cases we are seeing the drivers turning around. It takes photos and we see vehicles stop, make a three-point turn and turn around and go back.”

The Nevada Department of Transportation’s pilot program is similar. The pilot system is being installed at the U.S. Highway 95 off-ramp at Durango Drive in the northwest Las Vegas Valley. The system uses a camera and an electronic sensor, which alerts wrong-way drivers on the off-ramp by triggering strobe-like beacons on wrong-way signs. The system is expected to be up and running in early 2020. Each system costs roughly $100,000 and will also alert first responders and traffic management personnel to allow for electric signage notification of oncoming drivers.

This article fails to mention (but another recent article did) that NDOT has recently installed similar wrong-way driver systems in the Reno area. They were installed a year or two ago along all US 395 off ramps between I-80 and Bordertown, as part of a bigger ITS project (that also included travel time sensors & signs, traffic cameras and DMSs). Another system was just installed along I-80 off ramps between Keystone Ave (exit 12) and Verdi as part of a repaving and safety improvements project. So I'm not sure why NDOT is having to do a "pilot project" for southern Nevada when northern Nevada has had a system in place for at least a year and is expanding it...


EDIT 12/13/19: Added underlined text to clarify.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: roadfro on December 13, 2019, 09:40:05 AM
Apparently, there's more wrong-way driver sightings in Nevada than make the news. Hundreds have been reported this year.

Hundreds of wrong-way drivers reported on Nevada highways in 2019 (https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/local-nevada/hundreds-of-wrong-way-drivers-reported-on-nevada-highways-in-2019-1912833/), Las Vegas Review-Journal, 12/12/19
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The Nevada Highway Patrol has been dispatched on nearly 400 calls for wrong-way drivers in Southern Nevada so far this year, according to the agency.

Trooper Jason Buratczuk said there have been 384 calls in 2019. In 2018, there were 443.
<...>
The Highway Patrol has been dispatched on 192 calls for wrong-way drivers in Northern Nevada so far this year and 157 calls in 2018, according to Buratczuk.

The article also includes a short video that shows what the wrong-way driver system looks like.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: bing101 on December 20, 2019, 07:21:28 PM
And now Rockersk08 has released a new video on Las Vegas Freeways. Also included are sections of CC-215 where it's in the process of being converted into a freeway.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: Kniwt on January 14, 2020, 05:47:48 PM
The Las Vegas Review-Journal reports today that a $99 million contract has been awarded to replace the 15/215 interchange on the north side of Las Vegas:
https://www.reviewjournal.com/traffic/nearly-100m-contract-awarded-for-i-15-215-beltway-interchange-1935295

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The Interstate 15-215 Beltway interchange project in North Las Vegas is set to go after the state awarded a nearly $100 million contract for the work.

Contractor Fisher Sand and Gravel was awarded a $99 million contract to construct the interchange project that includes two massive concrete dual lane flyovers, the Nevada Department of Transportation announced Tuesday.

The most notable feature of the project is a 51-foot-tall, 1,800-foot-long east-to-north connection ramp. The I-15 northbound to 215 westbound flyover will be longer than the Eiffel Tower on its side.

(https://www.reviewjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/13239105_web1_beltway.jpg)
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: Kniwt on February 19, 2020, 11:42:35 PM
The Spectrum of St. George, Utah, reports that Nevada DOT is getting ready to launch a $9.1 million rehabilitation of I-15 through Mesquite:
https://www.thespectrum.com/story/news/2020/02/18/9-million-freeway-project-planned-along-i-15-through-mesquite/4788039002/

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The $9.1 million project is expected to start this spring and finish up in the late fall, according to a press release from the Nevada Department of Transportation. New asphalt will be laid in both directions of I-15, and signs, drains and lighting will be upgraded. Additionally, the freeway bridge decks at Exit 118 and 120 will be repaired and resurfaced.

The project spans 5.3 miles through Mesquite, starting just south of West Mesquite Boulevard and continuing to the Arizona border.

(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/02/17/PSTG/a0dc1ac8-d1b2-4cbd-a237-7b10dc9363e9-mesquite_project.jpg)

Meanwhile, bridge work in the Virgin River Gorge continues on a project that's taken longer than planned:

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The project was planned to be finished this spring, but because of the additional issues found, the project has been extended into the summer.

According to Ryan Harding, a spokesperson for the Arizona Department of Transportation, during the project, crews found issues that include "deteriorated concrete, bridge abutments that need renovation and corroded fasteners that join the bridge deck to the rest of the structure," he wrote in an email.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: dbz77 on March 03, 2020, 11:29:29 PM
The Las Vegas Review-Journal reports today that a $99 million contract has been awarded to replace the 15/215 interchange on the north side of Las Vegas:
https://www.reviewjournal.com/traffic/nearly-100m-contract-awarded-for-i-15-215-beltway-interchange-1935295

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The Interstate 15-215 Beltway interchange project in North Las Vegas is set to go after the state awarded a nearly $100 million contract for the work.

Contractor Fisher Sand and Gravel was awarded a $99 million contract to construct the interchange project that includes two massive concrete dual lane flyovers, the Nevada Department of Transportation announced Tuesday.

The most notable feature of the project is a 51-foot-tall, 1,800-foot-long east-to-north connection ramp. The I-15 northbound to 215 westbound flyover will be longer than the Eiffel Tower on its side.

(https://www.reviewjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/13239105_web1_beltway.jpg)
So CC 215 will finally be upgraded to freeway for its entire length.

I suspect it will spur development of the northwest section of the valley.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: roadfro on March 04, 2020, 11:03:49 AM
So CC 215 will finally be upgraded to freeway for its entire length.

I suspect it will spur development of the northwest section of the valley.

Perhaps you meant the *northeast* section of the valley?

The Valley's big housing development boom of the 1990s was majorly focused in the northwest Las Vegas valley, long before the 215 beltway even existed in that part of town. Development in the northwest has continued since (slowed substantially during the recession), but seems that the southwest valley and north/northeast are now seeing much more activity now.

The last remaining non-freeway stretch of 215 (Losee - Pecos - Lamb - just short of Range Road) is currently under conversion to freeway. After that project is done, it will just be the northern system interchanges at US 95 and I-15 that will still need work—I-15 interchange being addressed with this project, and US 95 interchange being addressed in upcoming phases of a different corridor project.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: Plutonic Panda on March 04, 2020, 11:05:13 AM
^^^^ they can complete the loop with a road tunnel.  :bigass:
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: roadwaywiz95 on March 25, 2020, 08:10:25 AM
Our next installment in the new *weekly* live broadcast (over on 'roadwaywiz') featuring AARoads Forum members will be this comprehensive Webinar introduction to the freeways of Las Vegas & vicinity. The event will kick off at 6 PM ET and will feature remote contributions from members of this forum. We look forward to seeing you there!

Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: roadwaywiz95 on April 06, 2020, 06:33:09 PM
Our next installment in the *weekly* live broadcast over on 'roadwaywiz' will be this double-header Virtual Tour presentation, where we dissect and enjoy a full-length trip along the belt highways encircling both El Paso, TX and Las Vegas, NV in real time, complete with commentary and contributions from admins/moderators/members of this forum.

The event will kick off on Saturday (4/11) at 6 PM ET and we look forward to seeing you there!

Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: Kniwt on May 14, 2020, 07:15:00 PM
The Reno Gazette-Journal reports that the speed limit on most of the new-ish Southeast Connector has been increased.

https://www.rgj.com/story/news/2020/05/14/speed-limit-southeast-connector-raised-55-mph/5189897002/

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After a speed study on the SouthEast Connector in east Reno showed the "vast majority" of commuters traveled above the posted 45 mph speed limit, the city of Reno opted to raise the maximum speed to 55 mph.

The speed increase is effective today, according to a press released from the city of Reno. Public works crews will be installing new speed limit signs today.

The SouthEast Connector, a 5.5 mile road that stretches through Reno, Sparks and Washoe County, was opened to the public in 2018 as a northern extension of Veterans Parkway.

While the majority of the connector will increase to 55 mph, the bridge on the very northern end will increase from 40 to 45 mph. Veterans Parkway south of South Meadows Parkway will remain 45.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: roadfro on May 14, 2020, 08:37:57 PM
The Reno Gazette-Journal reports that the speed limit on most of the new-ish Southeast Connector has been increased.

https://www.rgj.com/story/news/2020/05/14/speed-limit-southeast-connector-raised-55-mph/5189897002/

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After a speed study on the SouthEast Connector in east Reno showed the "vast majority" of commuters traveled above the posted 45 mph speed limit, the city of Reno opted to raise the maximum speed to 55 mph.

The speed increase is effective today, according to a press released from the city of Reno. Public works crews will be installing new speed limit signs today.

The SouthEast Connector, a 5.5 mile road that stretches through Reno, Sparks and Washoe County, was opened to the public in 2018 as a northern extension of Veterans Parkway.

While the majority of the connector will increase to 55 mph, the bridge on the very northern end will increase from 40 to 45 mph. Veterans Parkway south of South Meadows Parkway will remain 45.

Thanks for posting this. I would have missed it.

50 or 55 should have been the speed limit all along... 45mph with three lanes each way, almost out in the middle of nowhere, was way too slow.

I agree with keeping the 45mph south of South Meadows Pkwy given it narrows to two lanes and has more residential abutting. I have an office colleague who lives off of that stretch who says people speed through there all the time, and it's become worse since the SouthEast Connector portion was finished. (Although personally, that portion of Veterans Pkwy has long been planned to be part of the connector corridor, so I think planners shouldn't have allowed residential streets to open up directly to it.)
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: mrsman on May 15, 2020, 07:57:44 AM
The Reno Gazette-Journal reports that the speed limit on most of the new-ish Southeast Connector has been increased.

https://www.rgj.com/story/news/2020/05/14/speed-limit-southeast-connector-raised-55-mph/5189897002/

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After a speed study on the SouthEast Connector in east Reno showed the "vast majority" of commuters traveled above the posted 45 mph speed limit, the city of Reno opted to raise the maximum speed to 55 mph.

The speed increase is effective today, according to a press released from the city of Reno. Public works crews will be installing new speed limit signs today.

The SouthEast Connector, a 5.5 mile road that stretches through Reno, Sparks and Washoe County, was opened to the public in 2018 as a northern extension of Veterans Parkway.

While the majority of the connector will increase to 55 mph, the bridge on the very northern end will increase from 40 to 45 mph. Veterans Parkway south of South Meadows Parkway will remain 45.

Thanks for posting this. I would have missed it.

50 or 55 should have been the speed limit all along... 45mph with three lanes each way, almost out in the middle of nowhere, was way too slow.

I agree with keeping the 45mph south of South Meadows Pkwy given it narrows to two lanes and has more residential abutting. I have an office colleague who lives off of that stretch who says people speed through there all the time, and it's become worse since the SouthEast Connector portion was finished. (Although personally, that portion of Veterans Pkwy has long been planned to be part of the connector corridor, so I think planners shouldn't have allowed residential streets to open up directly to it.)

From just a quick GSV, it appears that a road like this is quite similar to the "La Cienega Expy" through the Baldwin Hills of Los Angeles.  Basically an expressway, with a few occasional traffic signals.  La Cienega has even more of the characteristics of a freeway as it was planned to be part of the Laurel Canyon Freeway.  The road is now 55 mph and has been for quite a few years.  When I was younger, I remember it being signed as 45 to account for the occasional traffic signal, but I'm glad that the county raised it to a more practical speed limit (I beleive it occurred around the same time that most freeways were raised from 55 to 65).

Veterans Pkwy looks like a beautiful road.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: Kniwt on May 15, 2020, 11:54:22 AM
After this morning's M6.5 earthquake near Tonopah, NDOT has closed US 95 from Coaldale Junction to NV 360.



Photo from Esmeralda County Sheriff's Office:
(https://i.imgur.com/gTpQLhL.jpg)
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: roadfro on May 16, 2020, 02:52:31 PM
After this morning's M6.5 earthquake near Tonopah, NDOT has closed US 95 from Coaldale Junction to NV 360.



Photo from Esmeralda County Sheriff's Office:
(https://i.imgur.com/gTpQLhL.jpg)

The road reopened later in the afternoon after NDOT did an emergency repair.

Some of the images on NDOT's Instagram page showed earthquake caused cracks creating up to 4" gap in the asphalt and vertical surface displacements up to 4". Quite interesting.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: nexus73 on May 16, 2020, 06:10:38 PM
^^^^^ Pix like this just crack me up! ^^^^^

If you want to see some dramatic destroyed pavement photos, go check out the ones from the 1964 Good Friday quake that did so much damage to Anchorage.  Huge ground plunging took place.  Very scary looking!

Nevada got off easy in comparison.

Rick
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: skluth on May 21, 2020, 01:30:18 AM
^^^^^ Pix like this just crack me up! ^^^^^

If you want to see some dramatic destroyed pavement photos, go check out the ones from the 1964 Good Friday quake that did so much damage to Anchorage.  Huge ground plunging took place.  Very scary looking!

Nevada got off easy in comparison.

Rick
The 1964 Alaska Earthquake was second strongest earthquake ever measured. Horizontal shifting up to 60 feet, vertical up to 30 feet. Let’s hope never to see a repeat, though we know from the geological record another monster quake like that is inevitable.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: gonealookin on May 31, 2020, 11:09:40 PM
21 miles of US 95 will be closed for two weeks for permanent repair of the earthquake damage.  NDOT News Release (https://www.nevadadot.com/Home/Components/News/News/6162/395)

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The Nevada Department of Transportation (NDOT) is temporarily closing U.S. Highway 95 between the U.S. Route 6 and State Route 360 junctions from 6 a.m., June 3, through 4 p.m., June 17, in Esmeralda and Mineral counties. (This stretch of highway averages about 2,300 vehicles daily). The temporary closure is needed for $2.43 million in federally funded emergency pavement repairs along U.S. Highway 95 between Mile Markers 88.7 and 90 and Mile Marker 95 in Esmeralda County, as well as Mile Marker 2 in Mineral County.

The detour is 45 miles long, and forces trucks to climb to roughly the 7000-foot elevation at the intersection of US 6 and NV 360.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: Max Rockatansky on May 31, 2020, 11:27:42 PM
21 miles of US 95 will be closed for two weeks for permanent repair of the earthquake damage.  NDOT News Release (https://www.nevadadot.com/Home/Components/News/News/6162/395)

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The Nevada Department of Transportation (NDOT) is temporarily closing U.S. Highway 95 between the U.S. Route 6 and State Route 360 junctions from 6 a.m., June 3, through 4 p.m., June 17, in Esmeralda and Mineral counties. (This stretch of highway averages about 2,300 vehicles daily). The temporary closure is needed for $2.43 million in federally funded emergency pavement repairs along U.S. Highway 95 between Mile Markers 88.7 and 90 and Mile Marker 95 in Esmeralda County, as well as Mile Marker 2 in Mineral County.

The detour is 45 miles long, and forces trucks to climb to roughly the 7000-foot elevation at the intersection of US 6 and NV 360.

Damn, at that rate it probably would be more efficient to take NV 264 and dip into California via CA 266/NV 266.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: bing101 on July 21, 2020, 11:32:39 AM

Interstate kyle does a tour on Las Vegas Freeways.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: roadfro on August 06, 2020, 10:20:47 AM
If you're a witty or 'punny' Nevada resident, NDOT is currently holding a contest to generate new road safety messages to display on variable message signs.

www.nevadadot.com/sign

Winning messages will be announced next month and will be used on VMSs statewide.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: Plutonic Panda on August 11, 2020, 10:15:32 PM
NDOT will be upgrading 32 of US-95 in NYE county to the tune of 17 million. Pavement replacement, passing lanes, shoulder improvements, and fiber optic cables are part of of the project.

More info here:

https://www.nevadadot.com/Home/Components/News/News/6330/395?fsiteid=1
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: rte66man on August 12, 2020, 03:05:18 PM
NDOT will be upgrading 32 of US-95 in NYE county to the tune of 17 million. Pavement replacement, passing lanes, shoulder improvements, and fiber optic cables are part of of the project.

More info here:

https://www.nevadadot.com/Home/Components/News/News/6330/395?fsiteid=1

32 inches? 32 yards?
<ducks and runs>
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: Sub-Urbanite on August 21, 2020, 12:45:26 PM
NDOT will be upgrading 32 of US-95 in NYE county to the tune of 17 million. Pavement replacement, passing lanes, shoulder improvements, and fiber optic cables are part of of the project.

More info here:

https://www.nevadadot.com/Home/Components/News/News/6330/395?fsiteid=1

See, I don't get this. Why spend $17 million on this project to essentially rebuild the 2 lane roadway when NDOT knows that it'll be twinning this at some point? Make the extra investment and take it to 4. I'm not saying to give it the full freeway treatment, but this is one stretch where a new alignment is highly unlikely (and would render this investment obsolete anyway).
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: skluth on August 21, 2020, 02:49:28 PM
NDOT will be upgrading 32 of US-95 in NYE county to the tune of 17 million. Pavement replacement, passing lanes, shoulder improvements, and fiber optic cables are part of of the project.

More info here:

https://www.nevadadot.com/Home/Components/News/News/6330/395?fsiteid=1

See, I don't get this. Why spend $17 million on this project to essentially rebuild the 2 lane roadway when NDOT knows that it'll be twinning this at some point? Make the extra investment and take it to 4. I'm not saying to give it the full freeway treatment, but this is one stretch where a new alignment is highly unlikely (and would render this investment obsolete anyway).

This project will be done by next spring. Unless the four-laning is done within the next ten years, this is probably the only improvement on this stretch for the near future. It's not like US 95 is already four lanes to Beatty. Nevada isn't showing much urgency in their desire to complete I-11 given the Alternatives Analysis from a couple years ago (https://www.nevadadot.com/projects-programs/programs-studies/future-i-11-alternatives-analysis-las-vegas-valley-to-i-80) states, "Construction of the roughly 450-mile long future I-11 could be phased over future decades as environmental impact reviews are completed and funding is prioritized." (Emphasized text mine) This project could easily be twenty years in the past by the time NDOT gets around to making this stretch four lanes, and probably to full freeway at that time. A parallel road bed for 32 miles is considerably more expensive than $17M and might face considerably more environmental opposition (a new freeway anywhere grabs considerably more attention than a simple highway improvement).
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: Sub-Urbanite on August 21, 2020, 06:00:42 PM
NDOT will be upgrading 32 of US-95 in NYE county to the tune of 17 million. Pavement replacement, passing lanes, shoulder improvements, and fiber optic cables are part of of the project.

More info here:

https://www.nevadadot.com/Home/Components/News/News/6330/395?fsiteid=1

See, I don't get this. Why spend $17 million on this project to essentially rebuild the 2 lane roadway when NDOT knows that it'll be twinning this at some point? Make the extra investment and take it to 4. I'm not saying to give it the full freeway treatment, but this is one stretch where a new alignment is highly unlikely (and would render this investment obsolete anyway).

This project will be done by next spring. Unless the four-laning is done within the next ten years, this is probably the only improvement on this stretch for the near future. It's not like US 95 is already four lanes to Beatty. Nevada isn't showing much urgency in their desire to complete I-11 given the Alternatives Analysis from a couple years ago (https://www.nevadadot.com/projects-programs/programs-studies/future-i-11-alternatives-analysis-las-vegas-valley-to-i-80) states, "Construction of the roughly 450-mile long future I-11 could be phased over future decades as environmental impact reviews are completed and funding is prioritized." (Emphasized text mine) This project could easily be twenty years in the past by the time NDOT gets around to making this stretch four lanes, and probably to full freeway at that time. A parallel road bed for 32 miles is considerably more expensive than $17M and might face considerably more environmental opposition (a new freeway anywhere grabs considerably more attention than a simple highway improvement).

True, but if they're following the ADOT approach, then piecemeal twinning is the path to victory. Remember, the first segment of the US 93 twinning between I-40 and US 60 – which at times was called wasteful – started around 25 years ago.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: roadfro on August 21, 2020, 11:05:52 PM
NDOT will be upgrading 32 of US-95 in NYE county to the tune of 17 million. Pavement replacement, passing lanes, shoulder improvements, and fiber optic cables are part of of the project.

More info here:

https://www.nevadadot.com/Home/Components/News/News/6330/395?fsiteid=1

See, I don't get this. Why spend $17 million on this project to essentially rebuild the 2 lane roadway when NDOT knows that it'll be twinning this at some point? Make the extra investment and take it to 4. I'm not saying to give it the full freeway treatment, but this is one stretch where a new alignment is highly unlikely (and would render this investment obsolete anyway).

This project will be done by next spring. Unless the four-laning is done within the next ten years, this is probably the only improvement on this stretch for the near future. It's not like US 95 is already four lanes to Beatty. Nevada isn't showing much urgency in their desire to complete I-11 given the Alternatives Analysis from a couple years ago (https://www.nevadadot.com/projects-programs/programs-studies/future-i-11-alternatives-analysis-las-vegas-valley-to-i-80) states, "Construction of the roughly 450-mile long future I-11 could be phased over future decades as environmental impact reviews are completed and funding is prioritized." (Emphasized text mine) This project could easily be twenty years in the past by the time NDOT gets around to making this stretch four lanes, and probably to full freeway at that time. A parallel road bed for 32 miles is considerably more expensive than $17M and might face considerably more environmental opposition (a new freeway anywhere grabs considerably more attention than a simple highway improvement).

True, but if they're following the ADOT approach, then piecemeal twinning is the path to victory. Remember, the first segment of the US 93 twinning between I-40 and US 60 – which at times was called wasteful – started around 25 years ago.
I concur that it wouldn't make sense to start doing expressway-style upgrades instead of a project like this. $17m for what is amounting to safety improvements and minor resurfacing of 32 miles of existing two-lane highway seems like a reasonable investment at this time. It'll probably be a lengthy amount of time (measured in decades) before this stretch sees significant upgrades.

If they were going to twin a rural stretch of US 95, this would not be the stretch to do it. Based on my observations over time, Beatty to Tonopah segment this project lies in tends to have the least traffic over the four major segments of the entire Vegas-to-Reno drive. If anything, four-laning from Mercury to Beatty would be the first step and a reasonable segment of independent utility.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: Kniwt on October 21, 2020, 02:49:52 PM
The Reno Gazette-Journal reports that a production-car speed record has been set on NV 160 near Pahrump: 331mph.
https://www.rgj.com/story/sports/2020/10/20/production-car-sets-world-speed-record-road-near-las-vegas/5998947002/

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A car built in Washington, that took 10 years to design, engineer and build, set a speed record on highway 160 in Southern Nevada between Las Vegas and Pahrump on Oct. 10. The car, built by SSC North America and called a 'Tuatara' averaged 316 mph on its two runs that day.

The car driven by Oliver Webb, 29, hit 301 mph on its first run, then, an hour later, hit 331 mph, for a 316 average.

Two runs completed within an hour, in opposite directions, are required to establish a record and the average is used.

The seven-mile stretch of highway was shut down for the attempt.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: nexus73 on October 21, 2020, 08:40:10 PM
The Reno Gazette-Journal reports that a production-car speed record has been set on NV 160 near Pahrump: 331mph.
https://www.rgj.com/story/sports/2020/10/20/production-car-sets-world-speed-record-road-near-las-vegas/5998947002/

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A car built in Washington, that took 10 years to design, engineer and build, set a speed record on highway 160 in Southern Nevada between Las Vegas and Pahrump on Oct. 10. The car, built by SSC North America and called a 'Tuatara' averaged 316 mph on its two runs that day.

The car driven by Oliver Webb, 29, hit 301 mph on its first run, then, an hour later, hit 331 mph, for a 316 average.

Two runs completed within an hour, in opposite directions, are required to establish a record and the average is used.

The seven-mile stretch of highway was shut down for the attempt.


That is what one could call rapid transit!

Rick
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: TheGrassGuy on October 23, 2020, 05:50:28 PM
Is NV-781 signed? I'm making a list of shortest state routes in each state, and was kind of surprised to learn that NV-822 was indeed signed.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: gonealookin on October 23, 2020, 06:53:06 PM
Is NV-781 signed? I'm making a list of shortest state routes in each state, and was kind of surprised to learn that NV-822 was indeed signed.

Wow, that's digging deep to find NV 781.  I'm pretty sure I'll never drive that one.

If I had to guess I'd say it might be marked with California-style white paddles.  That's the case in my area with NV 705 (a former alignment of US 50 that dips into Douglas County but only serves properties in Carson City, so Douglas County didn't want it).  Also, westbound NV 760 is marked with a shield as it leaves US 50, but the only marking eastbound is a white paddle at its west end.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: TheGrassGuy on October 23, 2020, 06:57:01 PM
Is NV-781 signed? I'm making a list of shortest state routes in each state, and was kind of surprised to learn that NV-822 was indeed signed.

Wow, that's digging deep to find NV 781.  I'm pretty sure I'll never drive that one.

If I had to guess I'd say it might be marked with California-style white paddles.  That's the case in my area with NV 705 (a former alignment of US 50 that dips into Douglas County but only serves properties in Carson City, so Douglas County didn't want it).  Also, westbound NV 760 is marked with a shield as it leaves US 50, but the only marking eastbound is a white paddle at its west end.

You mean these things (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1139004,-119.7822364,3a,22.7y,310.25h,73.25t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQgHElJS08hTBrIWPJCaacQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)? Those don't really count. NV-822 is signed the real way.

There's a reason why NY reference routes are considered "unsigned", even though they have similar markings that are greener and smaller.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: US 89 on October 24, 2020, 01:22:46 AM
Corco's website shows there is at least one postmile:

http://corcohighways.org/?p=9921933
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: TheGrassGuy on October 24, 2020, 11:49:41 AM
Corco's website shows there is at least one postmile:

http://corcohighways.org/?p=9921933

By "signed", I mean an actual shield, not just a postmile or whatever.

In NJ, they've started adding postmiles everywhere obsessively around 2017 or so. Even on hitherto unsigned routes, such as NJ-13 (a bridge) and NJ-167 (a former alignment of US-9 with a gap due to a long-demolished bridge that's now hardly anything but a dirt road).

If a route is only marked on postmiles or other similar markers (such as NV-705, the NY reference roads, or the two in NJ I just mentioned), I don't consider them to be "signed".
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: roadfro on October 24, 2020, 01:18:57 PM
It's highly doubtful that SR 781 is signed, given that the route solely consists of an NDOT-maintained bridge along a dirt road in the middle of nowhere.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: gonealookin on November 24, 2020, 07:57:34 PM
In my area, NDOT will be removing a number of the "Prepare To STOP When Flashing" overhead sign installations in the next month or so, replacing them with continuous flashers or simple static "Signal Ahead" signs.  This is apparently as a result of studies that say "Yellow light means step on the gas, and the flashing lights mean the signal ahead is about to turn yellow, so step on the gas even harder."

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Known as advance signal warning systems, the yellow signs are placed ahead of certain traffic signals to draw attention to the signal ahead. Some advance signal warning signs contain lights which continuously flash. Others begin flashing when the traffic signal ahead readies to turn yellow and red, allowing drivers time to prepare to stop in advance of the signal. This can lead drivers to unsafely speed up to "beat the light," potentially leading to crashes.

https://www.nevadadot.com/Home/Components/News/News/6590/395 (https://www.nevadadot.com/Home/Components/News/News/6590/395)

The installations being removed are mostly on 4-lane highways with speed limits between 45-55 mph.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: roadfro on November 25, 2020, 11:54:03 AM
In my area, NDOT will be removing a number of the "Prepare To STOP When Flashing" overhead sign installations in the next month or so, replacing them with continuous flashers or simple static "Signal Ahead" signs.  This is apparently as a result of studies that say "Yellow light means step on the gas, and the flashing lights mean the signal ahead is about to turn yellow, so step on the gas even harder."

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Known as advance signal warning systems, the yellow signs are placed ahead of certain traffic signals to draw attention to the signal ahead. Some advance signal warning signs contain lights which continuously flash. Others begin flashing when the traffic signal ahead readies to turn yellow and red, allowing drivers time to prepare to stop in advance of the signal. This can lead drivers to unsafely speed up to "beat the light," potentially leading to crashes.

https://www.nevadadot.com/Home/Components/News/News/6590/395 (https://www.nevadadot.com/Home/Components/News/News/6590/395)

The installations being removed are mostly on 4-lane highways with speed limits between 45-55 mph.

I had forgotten about this study; thanks for pointing it out.

It's true the "prepare to stop when flashing" signs do prompt people to speed up to beat the light. And I do think some use of these has been a bit unwarranted at times (many of the ones along Pyramid Highway are being removed or converted to static/passive systems).

I've sometimes thought that the active systems should instead flash only when the signal is already red or on onset of yellow, instead of when the signal is preparing to change from green to yellow—seems like that would lessen the "beat the light" mentality.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: Kniwt on November 25, 2020, 12:32:45 PM
"Yellow light means step on the gas, and the flashing lights mean the signal ahead is about to turn yellow, so step on the gas even harder."

But pedestrian countdown signals often perform the same function for motorists, and with much more accuracy. (Excluding the cases where the green duration is longer than the walk duration.) I don't recall seeing ped signals along US 395 near Minden, but I suspect Pyramid Highway has lots of them.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: roadfro on November 26, 2020, 10:33:10 AM
"Yellow light means step on the gas, and the flashing lights mean the signal ahead is about to turn yellow, so step on the gas even harder."

But pedestrian countdown signals often perform the same function for motorists, and with much more accuracy. (Excluding the cases where the green duration is longer than the walk duration.) I don't recall seeing ped signals along US 395 near Minden, but I suspect Pyramid Highway has lots of them.

True, but the pedestrian countdown signals are at the intersection itself and off to the side (not always visible depending on traffic), so the amount of time and distance that they function as a "step on it" indicator to drivers is relatively small. Compare to the advance signal warning system installations which are often several hundred feet upstream of a signal and designed to be seen by all drivers, so they can function as a "step on it" indicator from a much further distance.

There aren't ped signals on US 395 north of Minden since that's rural divided highway. But there are ped signals along most of the Pyramid Highway locations listed since these are all still fairly urban (despite that there isn't much ped activity out there).
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: Plutonic Panda on November 26, 2020, 01:57:37 PM
"Yellow light means step on the gas, and the flashing lights mean the signal ahead is about to turn yellow, so step on the gas even harder."

But pedestrian countdown signals often perform the same function for motorists, and with much more accuracy. (Excluding the cases where the green duration is longer than the walk duration.) I don't recall seeing ped signals along US 395 near Minden, but I suspect Pyramid Highway has lots of them.

I could be wrong but I seem to recall a country that actually has countdown timers for motorists at signalized intersections.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: stevashe on December 27, 2020, 08:49:03 PM
I could be wrong but I seem to recall a country that actually has countdown timers for motorists at signalized intersections.


Taiwan has them, but they're displayed during red lights and count down to when it will turn green, not the other way around.
https://goo.gl/maps/4DeDMhP3Q9z9Z5sa9
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: compdude787 on January 04, 2021, 04:38:02 PM
I could be wrong but I seem to recall a country that actually has countdown timers for motorists at signalized intersections.


Taiwan has them, but they're displayed during red lights and count down to when it will turn green, not the other way around.
https://goo.gl/maps/4DeDMhP3Q9z9Z5sa9

That's actually a great idea!
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: pderocco on January 05, 2021, 09:44:56 PM
I could be wrong but I seem to recall a country that actually has countdown timers for motorists at signalized intersections.


Taiwan has them, but they're displayed during red lights and count down to when it will turn green, not the other way around.
https://goo.gl/maps/4DeDMhP3Q9z9Z5sa9

That's actually a great idea!

Don'tcha just look at the WALK/DON'T WALK signal going the other way?
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: stevashe on January 08, 2021, 01:10:23 AM
I could be wrong but I seem to recall a country that actually has countdown timers for motorists at signalized intersections.


Taiwan has them, but they're displayed during red lights and count down to when it will turn green, not the other way around.
https://goo.gl/maps/4DeDMhP3Q9z9Z5sa9

That's actually a great idea!

Don'tcha just look at the WALK/DON'T WALK signal going the other way?

You can't see that unless you're the first, maybe second, car in line though.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: skluth on January 08, 2021, 05:42:57 PM
I could be wrong but I seem to recall a country that actually has countdown timers for motorists at signalized intersections.


Taiwan has them, but they're displayed during red lights and count down to when it will turn green, not the other way around.
https://goo.gl/maps/4DeDMhP3Q9z9Z5sa9

That's actually a great idea!

Don'tcha just look at the WALK/DON'T WALK signal going the other way?

You can't see that unless you're the first, maybe second, car in line though.

I get what pderocco is talking about because I've done it as well. Unfortunately, it doesn't work at a lot of intersections. I walk a lot locally for exercise. Many Palm Springs intersections will finish counting down and then display DON'T WALK for several seconds before the associated light turns yellow and it's 3-4 seconds before it turns red. They may also give pedestrians a WALK light for a couple seconds before the through street gets their green. (Just observed this again today waiting to cross at Mesquite and Farrell.) I will do it when I'm familiar with how the light works, but I won't even bother if I'm somewhere I don't know well.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: Kniwt on January 23, 2021, 12:25:29 PM
The Elko Daily Free Press reports that US 93 north of Wells will get some upgrades, but not (yet?) the full four-laning that many want.
https://elkodaily.com/news/local/u-s-93-getting-more-passing-lanes-this-year/article_86fb62e1-5cd9-5bc1-93f2-bacd91d8608a.html

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Nevada Department of Transportation has awarded an $8.8 million contract for the construction of roughly six miles of passing lanes north of Wells on U.S. 93, and Elko County Commissioners have asked NDOT to keep them on as a top priority for the future.

... The north and south passing lanes will be between mileposts 101 and 107 just north of the HD Summit and just north of the turnoff to the Winecup Gamble Ranch, which is in an area where NDOT already has the right of way, he said.

Commissioner Cliff Eklund said the passing lanes planned are needed because “there has been a dramatic increase in traffic” on U.S. 93, with truckers coming from Las Vegas and headed to Idaho. He said there is a need for a larger project.

“I think eastern Elko County feels U.S. 93 is very important, and I suppose you understand it,” Commissioner Wilde Brough told Mortensen. Brough said by phone earlier this week that US. 93 is crucial to economic development in eastern Elko County and “it’s crucial to all of the eastern side of Nevada.”

... Mortensen said NDOT staff also is evaluating U.S. 93 south of Wells and all the way to Las Vegas.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: Sub-Urbanite on January 25, 2021, 11:55:45 AM
The last time I drove 93 north of Wells I was surprised by the traffic. Not sure it should be at the top of NDOT's 4-laning priority list but it at least should be on the list.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: roadfro on January 26, 2021, 11:30:33 AM
The last time I drove 93 north of Wells I was surprised by the traffic. Not sure it should be at the top of NDOT's 4-laning priority list but it at least should be on the list.

I recall during the I-11 corridor study that while the US 95 to northwestern Nevada corridor won out over US 93 and eastern Nevada, it was acknowledged that the US 93 corridor will likely need some attention in long-range planning.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: bing101 on January 31, 2021, 07:53:55 PM
https://mynews4.com/news/local/spaghetti-bowl-closures-beginning-january-31

The Nevada DOT is closing the Spaghetti Bowl in the Reno area. That's right Reno also has a Spaghetti Bowl interchange. I remember in the past whenever we talked about the Spaghetti Bowl interchange it was in the Las Vegas area.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: roadfro on February 01, 2021, 11:52:21 AM
https://mynews4.com/news/local/spaghetti-bowl-closures-beginning-january-31

The Nevada DOT is closing the Spaghetti Bowl in the Reno area. That's right Reno also has a Spaghetti Bowl interchange. I remember in the past whenever we talked about the Spaghetti Bowl interchange it was in the Las Vegas area.

They are closing certain ramps/interchanges overnight and/or weekends to accommodate construction activity.

We've discussed Reno's Spaghetti Bowl in a dedicated thread on this board (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=21998.0), so let's keep discussion there. (Bing101, you've actually posted a link to a video in that thread previously...)

But an interesting tidbit: The linked article uses a picture of the Spaghetti Bowl in Las Vegas—specifically it's a rendering of the new HOV flyover from Project Neon construction.


EDIT: Fixed link tag
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: US 89 on February 01, 2021, 03:42:12 PM
That's right Reno also has a Spaghetti Bowl interchange. I remember in the past whenever we talked about the Spaghetti Bowl interchange it was in the Las Vegas area.

Yep, there are quite a few Spaghetti Bowl interchanges (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaghetti_junction#United_States) in the US and elsewhere around the world. The one I'm most familiar with is in Salt Lake City where I-15, I-80, and SR 201 all meet up, which is why it always throws me off for a second whenever someone mentions either of the ones in Nevada.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: 1995hoo on February 04, 2021, 01:57:50 PM
Interesting tweet thread here regarding federal requirements as they apply to EV charging stations in Nevada and the possible jeopardizing of federal highway funds. (Disclaimer: The state official who tweeted this is a childhood friend of mine and we still exchange messages occasionally. I bought my first car from his father, who worked with my dad, when I was 16 years old.) What I found myself wondering, and what I might ask him, is why the charging station at Valmy can't be installed at the rest area Google Maps shows on the other side of I-80.




Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: AlexandriaVA on February 04, 2021, 02:14:58 PM
I can't begin to understand the logic of the gas station owner/operator who doesn't want to be in the EV business because it allegedly cuts into his gasoline sales.

It's not as if the EV will have a dual mode engine that can switch to gasoline when they roll up to his filling station.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: jdbx on February 04, 2021, 02:44:06 PM
I can't begin to understand the logic of the gas station owner/operator who doesn't want to be in the EV business because it allegedly cuts into his gasoline sales.

It's not as if the EV will have a dual mode engine that can switch to gasoline when they roll up to his filling station.

The logic is particularly absurd, since most gas station profits are earned in the convenience store, NOT at the pump.  EV's take at least 30 minutes to charge, even on the fastest superchargers.  I know this because I drive one myself.  I don't like sitting in my car while it charges, so I usually take advantage of the time to buy a cold drink, something to eat, restroom, etc from the adjacent businesses.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: 1995hoo on February 04, 2021, 04:54:08 PM
.... What I found myself wondering, and what I might ask him, is why the charging station at Valmy can't be installed at the rest area Google Maps shows on the other side of I-80.

Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: roadfro on February 07, 2021, 05:28:17 PM
Nevada DOT & Southern Nevada RTC were recently awarded a grant to expand use of emerging transportation technologies along part of the US 95 corridor in Las Vegas.

RTC, NDOT, partners receive $6 million in federal funding for emerging technologies to mitigate traffic congestion and enhance road safety (https://www.rtcsnv.com/news/rtc-ndot-partners-receive-6-million-in-federal-funding-for-emerging-technologies-to-mitigate-traffic-congestion-and-enhance-road-safety/)
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LAS VEGAS – The Regional Transportation Commission of Southern Nevada (RTC), the Nevada Department of Transportation (NDOT) and partners received a $6 million grant to expand emerging technologies on Las Vegas freeways. The five-mile expansion will extend west of downtown Las Vegas between I-15 and Summerlin Parkway on U.S. 95, a critical corridor that carries approximately 230,000 vehicles daily. These technologies will help enhance safety by mitigating congestion, decreasing the number of crashes, reducing travel time and increasing overall efficiency of the freeway.

The $6 million in funding comes from the U.S. Department of Transportation’s Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) Advanced Transportation and Congestion Management Technologies Deployment (ATCMTD) program. The ATCMTD program funds early deployments of forward-looking technologies that can serve as national models.
<...>
Some technologies that will be deployed along U.S. 95 include wrong-way sensors that alert drivers immediately if they’re traveling in the wrong direction; occupancy detection sensors in HOV lanes that collect data to reduce congestion and emissions; and overhead signs that warn motorists about incidents, speed reduction and lane closures ahead to mitigate crashes resulting from sudden braking.
<...>

And a short video from the RTC about this:

The most interesting thing to me is the overhead incident signage. This will be an expansion of the system recently deployed as part of Project Neon—a small bit of this stretch (mostly southbound approaching I-15) has this signage installed already through that project, but expanding and having incident signage in both directions along more of US 95 should prove to be beneficial.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: MikeG on March 05, 2021, 03:43:25 PM
Now Open in Nevada! - NV-375, The "Extra-Terrestral Hwy" now has a gas station and general store open in Rachel, NV. Campground / RV hookups coming soon.


MOD NOTE: Removed unrelated quoted material. —Roadfro
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: skluth on March 05, 2021, 09:05:40 PM
Now Open in Nevada! - NV-375, The "Extra-Terrestral Hwy" now has a gas station and general store open in Rachel, NV. Campground / RV hookups coming soon.


Cool. Rachel even has 4G LTE cell coverage for my phone according to Spectrum.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: ClassicHasClass on March 07, 2021, 03:01:24 PM
The Grays just get angry if they can't watch Hulu.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: roadfro on March 19, 2021, 11:44:21 AM
Random: NDOT has changed their website from www.nevadadot.com to www.dot.nv.gov.

I'm curious why they switched...maybe since they're not a commercial enterprise? But it's not like the ".gov" domain is new... *shrug*
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: Ketchup99 on April 18, 2021, 08:31:17 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1966947,-114.8542744,3a,30.1y,339.33h,88.28t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s-i3bz8aqcgrq5jGzTzBOfA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
What's up with this? I thought Nevada (like every state but Texas) never posted above 70 on at-grade highways.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: Max Rockatansky on April 18, 2021, 08:36:46 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1966947,-114.8542744,3a,30.1y,339.33h,88.28t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s-i3bz8aqcgrq5jGzTzBOfA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
What's up with this? I thought Nevada (like every state but Texas) never posted above 70 on at-grade highways.

Really it could be 85 MPH south of Boulder City on most of US 95 to the State Line.  Aside from Searchlight it doesn’t get any straighter or easier of a drive. 
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: Ketchup99 on April 18, 2021, 08:38:04 PM
Oh, I don't doubt that at all. :D
I just thought Nevada didn't allow over 70 on at-grades. Are there other examples of something like this?
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: Max Rockatansky on April 18, 2021, 08:39:56 PM
Oh, I don't doubt that at all. :D
I just thought Nevada didn't allow over 70 on at-grades. Are there other examples of something like this?

I believe so for grade separated expressways.  I want to say US 95 north of Las Vegas approaching Mercury is like this now also.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: Plutonic Panda on April 18, 2021, 11:21:07 PM
I wish Nevada would one up Texas and become the first state with 100MPH speed limits. I’m not going to admit anything, but I believe there are multiple roads that would be good candidates for this.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: skluth on April 19, 2021, 01:16:17 AM
I'd rather have the old Montana "Reasonable and proper" than 100 mph. I think a speed limit that high encourages people to speed unnecessarily, thinking they should be driving that fast. Reasonable and proper may draw a few pure speed enthusiasts, but those who drive that fast - even if it's well above 100 mph - either have the ability and proper equipment or are soon dead. I'm good with that.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: Plutonic Panda on April 19, 2021, 04:36:35 AM
100 MPH sounds fast on paper but with many new cars you can come close to that driving over 90 and not really realize it. R&P sounds like it had too many issues with LEOs deciding what the speed limit was and led to many problems. I can’t tell you how often I’ve driven about 100 on I-15 with absolutely zero issues but I also maintain my car unlike many others.

Outside of drunk drivers and a few speed enthusiasts, I don’t see many opting to go that fast anyways maybe 85-90. Only reason it wouldn’t be safe is the plague of left lane campers in this country. If anything I do think the limit should at least be 85 from Barstow to Rose PKWY.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: Max Rockatansky on April 19, 2021, 08:09:13 AM
I-80 would probably be the place to put 100 MPH if I was going to choose one.  Aside from spread out trucks there isn’t much east of Reno towards the Utah State Line to cause much of a slowdown.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: roadfro on April 19, 2021, 10:35:28 AM
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1966947,-114.8542744,3a,30.1y,339.33h,88.28t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s-i3bz8aqcgrq5jGzTzBOfA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
What's up with this? I thought Nevada (like every state but Texas) never posted above 70 on at-grade highways.

You'd have to better define "at-grade highway" (which I don't think is a term regularly used).

NDOT doesn't post two-lane highways above 70. The vast majority of two-lane highway mileage in the state is posted at 70.

US 95 is mostly a divided highway between Boulder City and the SR 163/Laughlin Hwy turnoff (the linked view becomes divided once you get past the turn for the gas station) with very few turnoffs or intersections. As such, 75 is appropriate.

Oh, I don't doubt that at all. :D
I just thought Nevada didn't allow over 70 on at-grades. Are there other examples of something like this?

I believe so for grade separated expressways.  I want to say US 95 north of Las Vegas approaching Mercury is like this now also.

Unless anything has changed since early January 2021, the divided highway section of US 95 between SR 156/Kyle Canyon Rd (urban limit of Las Vegas) and the Mercury interchange is posted at 70 mph (except for the 45 zone through Indian Springs).

I'm not aware of any other non-Interstate divided highway stretches in Nevada that are posted higher than 70. Only other one I can think of that comes close is US 395 between Carson City and Minden, and that is posted at 65.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: roadfro on May 05, 2021, 04:33:50 PM
The long-talked about project to add a second bridge over the Colorado River connecting between Laughlin, NV and Bullhead City, AZ is one step closer to reality now.

$52.4M contract awarded for Laughlin-to-Bullhead City bridge (https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/local-las-vegas/52-4m-contract-awarded-for-laughlin-to-bullhead-city-bridge-2347294/) Las Vegas Review-Journal, 5/5/2021
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The Clark County Commission Tuesday approved the lowest submitted bid of $52.4 million from contractor Fisher Sand and Gravel Co. to build the five-span, 724-foot long bridge.

Nearly $26 million of the project’s cost will come from the Regional Transportation Commission. Another $20.9 million will come from the federal government, earmarked in 2005 by then Sen. Harry Reid, $4.5 million from Bullhead City and $1.1 million from Clark County.
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Construction is slated to begin by year’s end and work crews have 730 days to complete the project, according to the bid agreement.

The new bridge will take some of the traffic volume off the existing four-lane bridge that connects Highways 95 and 68 in Arizona with Highway 163 in Nevada, according to the Associated Press. That bridge was completed in 1987 and has since seen over 600 million people travel across it.
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“Twenty years ago the need was identified and now, with over 30,000 vehicles traveling on Highway 95 through Bullhead City every day, the need is becoming more urgent,” he said. “Both Bullhead City and Laughlin are growing at a tremendous pace and this bridge will create a circular loop connecting both of our communities.”

Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: roadfro on May 31, 2021, 03:17:01 AM
NDOT is making changes to their Twitter presence. Their current @nevadadot handle will remain, but they are launching regional accounts that will now be used to post many of the traffic alerts that had been previously posted to the statewide account.

NDOT Launches Regional Twitter Accounts (https://www.dot.nv.gov/Home/Components/News/News/6996/395), NDOT press release, 5/17/21
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With nearly 35,000 followers, NDOT’s long-standing @NevadaDOT statewide Twitter account, which launched in 2009, will continue to provide transportation updates and insight with statewide, programmatic, or unique regional significance.

However, the following three regional accounts will be the new location to find automated traffic alerts specific to each region:

@NevadadotVegas- Clark, Nye, Esmeralda and Lincoln counties. Southern Nevada from Mina to Searchlight.
@NevadadotReno- Washoe, Douglas, Churchill, Storey, Lyon, Pershing and Mineral counties. Northwestern Nevada from Reno-Tahoe to Lovelock and from northern Washoe County to Hawthorne.
@NevadadotElko- Elko, Humboldt, White Pine, Eureka and Lander counties. Northeastern Nevada from Winnemucca to West Wendover and from Jackpot to Ely.

The change means that automated regional highway alerts such as roadway lane closures and wind warnings previously posted to the statewide @NevadaDOT account will now instead be posted to the respective regional accounts, providing targeted traffic alerts such as:

- Highway and state road construction updates and closures
- High-profile vehicle wind prohibitions on wind-prone highway such as Interstate 580 in Washoe Valley
- Snow tire and chain requirements
- Parade or other special events temporarily restricting highway travel
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NDOT will continue selectively sharing automated traffic alerts on the main @NevadaDOT account until mid-June. Nevadans are encouraged to continue following @NevadaDOT for statewide transportation information and begin following the regional NDOT Twitter accounts of interest.

This is a welcome change. There are days where the traffic alerts really clutter up the Twitter feed on the main account, especially with all the shenanigans that can happen on Vegas roadways.

I seem to recall years ago that NDOT used to have a separate account for the Vegas area, but that has long since been discontinued...probably now that many social media postings can be automated, multiple accounts are now easier to maintain.

It appears the coverage areas for the three regional accounts roughly correspond to the NDOT maintenance district boundaries...noting that the locations of these regional accounts are also the cities in which the three districts’ main offices are located.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: Plutonic Panda on May 31, 2021, 09:52:51 AM
I actually really like that idea. A lot of DOT accounts I follow are to simply stay informed about project information and it will be nice not having the main account cluttered up.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: roadfro on June 13, 2021, 08:25:32 PM
Just read about a bill that passed through our legislative session...many minor traffic violations have been decriminalized and will now be civil infractions.

Most minor traffic violations decriminalized in Nevada (https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/politics-and-government/2021-legislature/most-minor-traffic-violations-decriminalized-in-nevada-2373882/), Las Vegas Review-Journal, 6/08/2021
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CARSON CITY — Nevada Gov. Steve Sisolak on Tuesday signed a bill [AB 116] into law that decriminalizes most minor traffic offenses, classifying them instead as civil infractions.

The reclassification means that jail time would be off the table for a large swath of traffic offenses, such as minor speeding, violating an HOV lane restriction, making an illegal turn, not wearing a seat belt, or driving without a child safety seat.

When traffic offenses are considered criminal misdemeanors, a court could issue a warrant if the person does not appear in court or fails to pay their fine on time.
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The bill marked the fifth time lawmakers in Nevada had pushed some form legislation to reclassify minor traffic infractions in the last decade. This time, the bill faced little resistance in the Legislature and passed with only one “no” vote [in both] the Assembly and the Senate.
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Sisolak on Tuesday also signed Senate Bill 219, which removes a court’s authority to suspend a person’s driver’s license or prevent them from applying for one based on an unpaid fine, administrative assessment or other type of fee.
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Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: nexus73 on June 14, 2021, 08:07:10 AM
Scofflaws are going to love that bit of legislation.  I guess that fines which go unpaid will wind up submitted to a collections agency.

Rick
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: roadfro on June 14, 2021, 09:34:17 AM
Scofflaws are going to love that bit of legislation.  I guess that fines which go unpaid will wind up submitted to a collections agency.

The legislation is a growing trend. The article notes that Nevada joins 37 other states that have already done this.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: Sub-Urbanite on June 17, 2021, 10:57:49 AM
Scofflaws are going to love that bit of legislation.  I guess that fines which go unpaid will wind up submitted to a collections agency.

Rick

It'd be great if this was handled fairly, but the most recent data (which admittedly is 18 years old) shows that Black and Hispanic drivers were more likely to be pulled over than whites or Asians, and, more starkly, Black and Hispanic residents made up 2/3rds of Las Vegas' arrest warrants for unpaid traffic violations.

Also notably, when Carson City adopted this policy in 2019, collection on unpaid traffic fines went up.

Basically, it doesn't make sense to throw someone in jail for three days and have them deal with the disruption that comes from that, if we want people to actually pay their fines.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: nexus73 on June 18, 2021, 09:51:09 AM
Scofflaws are going to love that bit of legislation.  I guess that fines which go unpaid will wind up submitted to a collections agency.

Rick

It'd be great if this was handled fairly, but the most recent data (which admittedly is 18 years old) shows that Black and Hispanic drivers were more likely to be pulled over than whites or Asians, and, more starkly, Black and Hispanic residents made up 2/3rds of Las Vegas' arrest warrants for unpaid traffic violations.

Also notably, when Carson City adopted this policy in 2019, collection on unpaid traffic fines went up.

Basically, it doesn't make sense to throw someone in jail for three days and have them deal with the disruption that comes from that, if we want people to actually pay their fines.

I had a buddy (who was white) in the Air Force, back in the Seventies, who did not pay his fines on time, so when he was caught doing something wrong while driving, off to jail he went in San Diego County!  That got his attention. 

If 2/3'rds of blacks and Hispanics are nonpayers, then the number you quoted is just reflecting the situation.  One would have to know what each race's behavior was like in order to truly know what is going on.

I have a stepnephew, also white, that lives in Vegas.  He had accumulated a few thousand dollars in unpaid fines.  Tossing him into the hoosegow also got his attention.  Eventually he did straighten out his life but it took some judicial action before he did.

Why let bad behaviors go unpunished?  Driving is a privilege, not a right. 

Rick

Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: roadfro on June 18, 2021, 10:28:25 AM
Scofflaws are going to love that bit of legislation.  I guess that fines which go unpaid will wind up submitted to a collections agency.

Rick

It'd be great if this was handled fairly, but the most recent data (which admittedly is 18 years old) shows that Black and Hispanic drivers were more likely to be pulled over than whites or Asians, and, more starkly, Black and Hispanic residents made up 2/3rds of Las Vegas' arrest warrants for unpaid traffic violations.

Also notably, when Carson City adopted this policy in 2019, collection on unpaid traffic fines went up.

Basically, it doesn't make sense to throw someone in jail for three days and have them deal with the disruption that comes from that, if we want people to actually pay their fines.

I had a buddy (who was white) in the Air Force, back in the Seventies, who did not pay his fines on time, so when he was caught doing something wrong while driving, off to jail he went in San Diego County!  That got his attention. 

If 2/3'rds of blacks and Hispanics are nonpayers, then the number you quoted is just reflecting the situation.  One would have to know what each race's behavior was like in order to truly know what is going on.

I have a stepnephew, also white, that lives in Vegas.  He had accumulated a few thousand dollars in unpaid fines.  Tossing him into the hoosegow also got his attention.  Eventually he did straighten out his life but it took some judicial action before he did.

Why let bad behaviors go unpunished?  Driving is a privilege, not a right. 

Rick

Asking this question at the risk of derailing this thread of discussion... but what do you mean by the bolded statement? Generalizing by race or ethnicity should not be necessary in the context of individuals' traffic law violations and their ability to resolve them.

I agree generally with not letting bad behaviors go unpunished, but misdemeanors and possible jail time for minor traffic violations doesn't seem like the way to go. Now, if someone racks up multiple traffic infractions and doesn't pay them (or do some equivalent amount of community service if unable to pay, assuming that is an option), I would say that additional steps should be taken at that point.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: nexus73 on June 18, 2021, 01:13:24 PM
What you "bolded" refers to accumulating the statistics.  If the stats match up rather closely to the amount of people present in those races, then we are not dealing with racism.  If the stats are way different, then the question becomes one of racism vs cultural approaches, which would be a Pretty Tough One to answer in terms of pure numbers.

Rick
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: Alps on June 18, 2021, 03:47:18 PM
What you "bolded" refers to accumulating the statistics.  If the stats match up rather closely to the amount of people present in those races, then we are not dealing with racism.  If the stats are way different, then the question becomes one of racism vs cultural approaches, which would be a Pretty Tough One to answer in terms of pure numbers.

Rick
Not necessary to know. If minorities are being disproportionately jailed to their overall numbers, there is a problem rooted in racism. If the jail sentences are actually proportional to the crimes being commited, that informs you that the problem is socially endemic and we need to develop equity over generations. If the sentences are not proportional, then you have systemic racism. The truth is in between and we have both.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: nexus73 on June 19, 2021, 10:17:52 AM
What you "bolded" refers to accumulating the statistics.  If the stats match up rather closely to the amount of people present in those races, then we are not dealing with racism.  If the stats are way different, then the question becomes one of racism vs cultural approaches, which would be a Pretty Tough One to answer in terms of pure numbers.

Rick
Not necessary to know. If minorities are being disproportionately jailed to their overall numbers, there is a problem rooted in racism. If the jail sentences are actually proportional to the crimes being commited, that informs you that the problem is socially endemic and we need to develop equity over generations. If the sentences are not proportional, then you have systemic racism. The truth is in between and we have both.

While living in Tangipahoa Parish (Louisiana) back in the second half of the Nineties, I saw work groups from the county jail doing various cleaning tasks.  It was rare to see a white person despite the parish population being rather evenly split between black and white.  That was something I had not expected to see.

Black thug culture had taken over the outdoors so much that children never played outside nor did any of them ever go trick or treating on Hallowe'en.  Drug dealers gathered in packs both in the cities and countryside.  Police actually protected the drug trade so they could have informers. which the Hammond LA police chief said accounted for 99% of crimes solved.  Black neighborhoods looked totally run down while the mostly white neighborhoods had the classic middle class look.  Hammond and Ponchatoula high schools had to be moved out of town and the campuses closed to hold down the troubles.

Very Third World were the conditions.  Oh well, at least the food was good. 

Rick
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: Alps on June 19, 2021, 10:32:34 PM
What you "bolded" refers to accumulating the statistics.  If the stats match up rather closely to the amount of people present in those races, then we are not dealing with racism.  If the stats are way different, then the question becomes one of racism vs cultural approaches, which would be a Pretty Tough One to answer in terms of pure numbers.

Rick
Not necessary to know. If minorities are being disproportionately jailed to their overall numbers, there is a problem rooted in racism. If the jail sentences are actually proportional to the crimes being commited, that informs you that the problem is socially endemic and we need to develop equity over generations. If the sentences are not proportional, then you have systemic racism. The truth is in between and we have both.

While living in Tangipahoa Parish (Louisiana) back in the second half of the Nineties, I saw work groups from the county jail doing various cleaning tasks.  It was rare to see a white person despite the parish population being rather evenly split between black and white.  That was something I had not expected to see.

Black thug culture had taken over the outdoors so much that children never played outside nor did any of them ever go trick or treating on Hallowe'en.  Drug dealers gathered in packs both in the cities and countryside.  Police actually protected the drug trade so they could have informers. which the Hammond LA police chief said accounted for 99% of crimes solved.  Black neighborhoods looked totally run down while the mostly white neighborhoods had the classic middle class look.  Hammond and Ponchatoula high schools had to be moved out of town and the campuses closed to hold down the troubles.

Very Third World were the conditions.  Oh well, at least the food was good. 

Rick
I'm not sure what you're getting at. You mention thug culture and third world conditions - please elaborate on why you are not a racist this Juneteenth.
Title: Re: Nevada
Post by: nexus73 on June 20, 2021, 08:39:21 AM
What you "bolded" refers to accumulating the statistics.  If the stats match up rather closely to the amount of people present in those races, then we are not dealing with racism.  If the stats are way different, then the question becomes one of racism vs cultural approaches, which would be a Pretty Tough One to answer in terms of pure numbers.

Rick
Not necessary to know. If minorities are being disproportionately jailed to their overall numbers, there is a problem rooted in racism. If the jail sentences are actually proportional to the crimes being commited, that informs you that the problem is socially endemic and we need to develop equity over generations. If the sentences are not proportional, then you have systemic racism. The truth is in between and we have both.

While living in Tangipahoa Parish (Louisiana) back in the second half of the Nineties, I saw work groups from the county jail doing various cleaning tasks.  It was rare to see a white person despite the parish population being rather evenly split between black and white.  That was something I had not expected to see.

Black thug culture had taken over the outdoors so much that children never played outside nor did any of them ever go trick or treating on Hallowe'en.  Drug dealers gathered in packs both in the cities and countryside.  Police actually protected the drug trade so they could have informers. which the Hammond LA police chief said accounted for 99% of crimes solved.  Black neighborhoods looked totally run down while the mostly white neighborhoods had the classic middle class look.  Hammond and Ponchatoula high schools had to be moved out of town and the campuses closed to hold down the troubles.

Very Third World were the conditions.  Oh well, at least the food was good. 

Rick
I'm not sure what you're getting at. You mention thug culture and third world conditions - please elaborate on why you are not a racist this Juneteenth.

These are just mentions of the reality that was in place about a quarter century ago.  My wife was black (she died of a seizure back in 2009) by the way so take your "woke" self out for a reality check by going there to see what is going on.

Rick