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Started by Roadgeekteen, May 10, 2020, 09:52:46 PM

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Flint1979

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 11, 2020, 12:00:07 AM
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For Michigan 65 is the highest. On state and US highways in the northern lower peninsula and upper peninsula.

More south in the lower peninsula 55 is the highest you'll see off the interstate. The southern part of the state is more populated than the north by a lot.
Nope. It's 75 on parts of US 127 and other US highway freeways in the Lower peninsula.
Those are freeways that are up to interstate standards.
I said non-interstate freeways.
And what difference does it make if it's an not an Interstate but is up to interstate standards? US-127 could very easily be an Interstate for most of the stretch north of Jackson except for the gap in the freeway between St. Johns and Ithaca. That could easily be upgraded as well.

US-10 likewise could easily be an Interstate between Clare and Bay City. Same with US-23 except for a few small parts.


briantroutman

When Pennsylvania expanded the number and expanse of its 70 MPH zones in 2016, that included a few non-Interstate freeways:

- US 15 (from Trout Run north to the NY state line)
- PA Tpk. 576
- PA Tpk. 45 (most)
- PA Tpk. 66 (most)

ozarkman417

Quote from: Revive 755 on May 10, 2020, 10:07:22 PM
* MO 13 between I-49 and the far western fringes of Clinton
Did you mean MO 7? Now would be the time to increase the speed limit to 70 on the MO 13 portion down to Springfield now that the Route O trafficlight has been removed and many J-turns have been recently constructed.

Quote from: Revive 755 on May 10, 2020, 10:07:22 PM
There may be others, but US 60 between Poplar Bluff and I-55 is certainly not one of them (though IMHO it should be).
It probably will be increased when that part of US 60 is upgraded to I-57.

sprjus4

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For Michigan 65 is the highest. On state and US highways in the northern lower peninsula and upper peninsula.

More south in the lower peninsula 55 is the highest you'll see off the interstate. The southern part of the state is more populated than the north by a lot.
Nope. It's 75 on parts of US 127 and other US highway freeways in the Lower peninsula.
Those are freeways that are up to interstate standards.
I said non-interstate freeways.
And what difference does it make if it's an not an Interstate but is up to interstate standards? US-127 could very easily be an Interstate for most of the stretch north of Jackson except for the gap in the freeway between St. Johns and Ithaca. That could easily be upgraded as well.

US-10 likewise could easily be an Interstate between Clare and Bay City. Same with US-23 except for a few small parts.
Doesn't matter if they meet interstate standards or not - they're non-interstate freeways.

The maximum for non-interstate freeways in Michigan is 75 mph.

US 89

Although Utah allows rural 80/urban 70 limits on interstates, all non-interstate roads of any kind (including freeways and divided highways) are still capped at 65 mph by statute.

Which sucks. There is no reason the four-laned part of SR 7 can't be 70 mph - it's a freeway in the middle of nowhere with very little traffic (at least for now - we'll see what happens in 10-20 years if St George continues to explode in population).

wanderer2575

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For Michigan 65 is the highest. On state and US highways in the northern lower peninsula and upper peninsula.

More south in the lower peninsula 55 is the highest you'll see off the interstate. The southern part of the state is more populated than the north by a lot.
Nope. It's 75 on parts of US 127 and other US highway freeways in the Lower peninsula.
Those are freeways that are up to interstate standards.
I said non-interstate freeways.
And what difference does it make if it's an not an Interstate but is up to interstate standards?

It shouldn't make any difference, but as has been noted by others in this thread, some states have established by statute a lower maximum speed limit for freeways not carrying red, white, and blue route markers, regardless of actual road conditions.  Fortunately, Michigan is not one of those states.

1995hoo

Quote from: sprjus4 on May 10, 2020, 11:19:57 PM
For Virginia, the law currently allows up to 70 mph on any limited access highways.

However, with the exception of the US-29 Lynchburg Bypass that's 70 mph, all non-interstate freeways in the state max out at 65 mph. The majority of the interstate highway system is 70 mph.

Also, for those unfamiliar with the Virginia statutes, the term "limited access highway" is defined by statute and essentially means a road whose only access is via interchanges. Anything with at-grade intersections or other at-grade access (like driveways or shopping centers) is normally capped at 55, except for certain routes for which statutorily-created exceptions allow 60-mph speed limits. This is slightly oversimplified, but anything posted above 60 mph has to be a so-called "freeway" (Virginia law does not use that term), but the statutes also require there be a traffic and engineering study before any segment gets a speed limit higher than 55 (in other words, 65- and 70-mph limits are permitted but are not automatic). A road that might seem like it should be posted at 65–say, the Dulles Toll Road, a tolled limited-access highway with four lanes in each direction–can be stuck at 55 if VDOT declines to perform the required study (which is the case with the Dulles Toll Road, a non-Interstate freeway posted at 55). Of course Virginia has other non-Interstate freeways posted at 55 where that limit is quite appropriate, such as the bypass around the western side of Charlottesville.
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Flint1979

Quote from: sprjus4 on May 11, 2020, 01:41:07 AM
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For Michigan 65 is the highest. On state and US highways in the northern lower peninsula and upper peninsula.

More south in the lower peninsula 55 is the highest you'll see off the interstate. The southern part of the state is more populated than the north by a lot.
Nope. It's 75 on parts of US 127 and other US highway freeways in the Lower peninsula.
Those are freeways that are up to interstate standards.
I said non-interstate freeways.
And what difference does it make if it's an not an Interstate but is up to interstate standards? US-127 could very easily be an Interstate for most of the stretch north of Jackson except for the gap in the freeway between St. Johns and Ithaca. That could easily be upgraded as well.

US-10 likewise could easily be an Interstate between Clare and Bay City. Same with US-23 except for a few small parts.
Doesn't matter if they meet interstate standards or not - they're non-interstate freeways.

The maximum for non-interstate freeways in Michigan is 75 mph.
I read the question wrong but wasn't going to admit it. I know more about Michigan than he does of course. I drive on those freeways all the time.

Flint1979

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For Michigan 65 is the highest. On state and US highways in the northern lower peninsula and upper peninsula.

More south in the lower peninsula 55 is the highest you'll see off the interstate. The southern part of the state is more populated than the north by a lot.
Nope. It's 75 on parts of US 127 and other US highway freeways in the Lower peninsula.
Those are freeways that are up to interstate standards.
I said non-interstate freeways.
And what difference does it make if it's an not an Interstate but is up to interstate standards?

It shouldn't make any difference, but as has been noted by others in this thread, some states have established by statute a lower maximum speed limit for freeways not carrying red, white, and blue route markers, regardless of actual road conditions.  Fortunately, Michigan is not one of those states.
Right. I'm not understanding the point. They are all up to interstate standards where it's 70 or 75 mph if they weren't up standards or in a rural area MDOT would never put a 75 mph speed limit on them. They'd be 70 max. But you know all this living in Michigan too.

sprjus4

Quote from: Flint1979 on May 11, 2020, 08:03:20 AM
Right. I'm not understanding the point. They are all up to interstate standards where it's 70 or 75 mph if they weren't up standards or in a rural area MDOT would never put a 75 mph speed limit on them. They'd be 70 max. But you know all this living in Michigan too.
Again, it's not about whether they meet standards or not, it's whether the actually carry the red and blue shield. Some states only allow the fastest speed limits on interstate highways and lower for freeways, even if they meet interstate standards but don't carry a red and blue shield. That's the point of the thread.

wolfiefrick

Quote from: ozarkman417 on May 10, 2020, 11:03:50 PM
Freeways & Expressways in urban areas (I've seen a few urban freeways signed at 55)-MAX 60 MPH
Pretty much all the freeways around suburban St. Louis have 60 mph limits (all interstates, plus MO-364 and MO-370) but once you're near downtown they're signed as 55, at least for the most part.

jp the roadgeek

US 6 (Willimantic bypass): 65
US 7: 55 (really should be 60 or 65 north of I-84)
CT 2: 65 most places, except 55 west of CT 94 and through Norwich.
CT 2A (standalone portion): 50
CT 3: 55
CT 8: 50 through Bridgeport to the 8/25 split, 55 to Naugatuck, 50 through Naugatuck and Waterbury (45 through the Mixmaster), 55 north of CT 73, 65 from CT 262 to US 44

CT 9: 65 (45 through the traffic lights in Middletown)
CT 11: 65 (where built :))
CT 15: 50 through Greenwich, 55 most of the Parkway and the Hartford portion
CT 17: 35 (short Middletown portion); 50 (Glastonbury portion)
CT 20: 65
CT 25: 55 (should really be 60 or 65)
CT 40: 55
CT 66: 55
CT 72: 50 west of I-84, 55 east of I-84
CT 349: 50
SR 571 (Willow Brook Connector): 55
SR 598 (Whitehead Highway): 35
SR 695 (Turnpike extension) 55 (WHY?)
SR 796 (Milford Connector): 55
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Roadgeekteen

Quote from: jp the roadgeek on May 11, 2020, 11:11:31 AM
US 6 (Willimantic bypass): 65
US 7: 55 (really should be 60 or 65 north of I-84)
CT 2: 65 most places, except 55 west of CT 94 and through Norwich.
CT 2A (standalone portion): 50
CT 3: 55
CT 8: 50 through Bridgeport to the 8/25 split, 55 to Naugatuck, 50 through Naugatuck and Waterbury (45 through the Mixmaster), 55 north of CT 73, 65 from CT 262 to US 44

CT 9: 65 (45 through the traffic lights in Middletown)
CT 11: 65 (where built :))
CT 15: 50 through Greenwich, 55 most of the Parkway and the Hartford portion
CT 17: 35 (short Middletown portion); 50 (Glastonbury portion)
CT 20: 65
CT 25: 55 (should really be 60 or 65)
CT 40: 55
CT 66: 55
CT 72: 50 west of I-84, 55 east of I-84
CT 349: 50
SR 571 (Willow Brook Connector): 55
SR 598 (Whitehead Highway): 35
SR 695 (Turnpike extension) 55 (WHY?)
SR 796 (Milford Connector): 55
CT 11 could have a speed limit of 95 and nobody would notice or care.
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zzcarp

Quote from: JREwing78 on May 10, 2020, 11:00:08 PM
Wisconsin is inconsistent on this one. It doesn't have a whole lot of non-Interstate freeway mileage to begin with, at least with the transition of US-41 to I-41. US-41/141 between Abrams and I-43 is posted for 70, as is US-14 between Madison and Oregon, US-12 between Elkhorn and the IL line, and US-53 north of Eau Claire.

Other roads with longish freeway stretches (WI Hwy 29, Hwy 26, US-10) are posted for 65 mph; I suspect it's to minimize confusion by not constantly adjusting speed limits when the roads transition from limited-access freeway to controlled-access expressway and back again.

More often, WisDOT will post 65 mph speed limits on roads that are 4-lane divided with controlled access (but with fully limited access for city bypasses).

There is a stretch of WI Hwy 29 from just east of I-94 to just east of WI Hwy 27 that's signed as 70. The rest is consistently signed as 65. GSV
So many miles and so many roads

hbelkins

Kentucky's parkways are mostly 70 mph, same as rural interstates.

Off the top of my head, the only non-interstate full freeway I can think of in West Virginia is WV 43, the Mon-Fayette Expressway. I can't remember if the sped limit on it is 65 or 70 mph. I don't really count the US 250/WV 2 segment south of I-70, nor the US 60 route south of the WV Turnpike, because they're in non-rural settings. The corridors (US 19, US 48, US 50, US 119, US 460) and the four-lane portion of US 35 are not freeways. They're signed for 65 mph.


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Roadgeekteen

Quote from: hbelkins on May 11, 2020, 12:09:11 PM
Kentucky's parkways are mostly 70 mph, same as rural interstates.

Off the top of my head, the only non-interstate full freeway I can think of in West Virginia is WV 43, the Mon-Fayette Expressway. I can't remember if the sped limit on it is 65 or 70 mph. I don't really count the US 250/WV 2 segment south of I-70, nor the US 60 route south of the WV Turnpike, because they're in non-rural settings. The corridors (US 19, US 48, US 50, US 119, US 460) and the four-lane portion of US 35 are not freeways. They're signed for 65 mph.
There is a short portion of US 22 in the north.
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zzcarp

Colorado:

In the Denver metro, US 36 is 55 from I-25 to Broadway, 65 from Broadway to CO 157/Foothills Parkway, and 60 from Foothills Parkway to Baseline Road/end of freeway in Boulder.

C-470 is signed 65 from I-25 west to I-70 then 55 to its terminus at US 6.

E-470 toll road is 75 mph the entire length of the road.

Northwest Parkway toll road is signed 75 on its freeway portion eastbound from 96th Street in Broomfield to I-25/E-470. Westbound, it's signed 75 to just after the US 287 exit then drops to 70 until the freeway portion ends and it drops to 45 just before the 96th Street traffic light.

Peña Boulevard is 65 from I-70 to Denver International Airport where it drops to 55, then 45, then 35 (and is heavily enforced by revenue agents).

US 6/6th Avenue Freeway is signed 65 from I-70 east to CO 95/Sheridan Blvd, 55 to I-25, and 45 to its terminus at Kalamath Street. Technically, the braided ramps from I-25 to WB US 6 are signed 45 to past Federal Boulevard westbound.

US 285 is signed 65 for the freeway portion from CO 8 in Morrison to CO 95/Sheridan Blvd.

CO 58 is signed 65 from I-70 west to Boyd Street (westbound exit just before Washington Ave. in Golden) then 55 until its at-grade terminus at US 6/CO 93.

Outside of Denver, there's very little in the way of true non-interstate freeway, mostly just expressway. Some honorable mentions:

There's a 4 mile freeway stretch of CO 21/Powers Boulevard in Colorado Springs from Research Parkway to CO 83 that is freeway and signed at 65.

Also in Colorado Springs, there's a 2.3 mile freeway stretch of US 24 from I-25 to just east of S. Circle Drive posted at 55.

And in Colorado Springs, there's about a 2 mile stretch of Academy Boulevard that's freeway from just east of I-25 to Milton Proby Parkway posted at 50.

In Pueblo, there's a 3-mile stretch of CO 47 just east of Dillon Drive posted at 60.

So many miles and so many roads

vdeane

Quote from: briantroutman on May 11, 2020, 12:22:11 AM
When Pennsylvania expanded the number and expanse of its 70 MPH zones in 2016, that included a few non-Interstate freeways:

- US 15 (from Trout Run north to the NY state line)
- PA Tpk. 576
- PA Tpk. 45 (most)
- PA Tpk. 66 (most)
I wonder if PA actually does care.  It's noteworthy that all those examples are either maintained by the PTC or a future interstate corridor.  Then again, 70 zones are sparse enough on PennDOT roadways that it can be hard to tell.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position of NYSDOT or its affiliates.

MikieTimT

It's 65 in Arkansas currently.  That may change when Interstate speeds change in July.

Roadgeekteen

Quote from: MikieTimT on May 11, 2020, 01:51:47 PM
It's 65 in Arkansas currently.  That may change when Interstate speeds change in July.
I thought that US 67 in 70?
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I'd written this about Colorado last night but didn't post; since I went down a sort of different path than zzcarp's Colorado post, I'll put it out there, too.
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In Colorado, the non-CDOT-owned toll roads, E-470 and the Northwest Parkway, have 75mph speed limits. E-470's was raised from 70mph in 2011, but I'm not sure what the NWP's was different in the past.

Generally, Colorado's maximum allowable speed limit is 75mph, and authorities could hypothetically set it as they deem appropriate. The default speed limit for "four-lane highways which are on the interstate system [...] or are freeways or expressways"  is 65mph, though; here is a summary page on speed limits in the state.

CDOT has historically set some rural freeways above 65mph, although some of those have become less rural over time; all of Colorado's non-interstate freeways are in urban/suburban areas, so there's nothing that CDOT would set above 65mph.

MikieTimT

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 11, 2020, 01:57:40 PM
Quote from: MikieTimT on May 11, 2020, 01:51:47 PM
It's 65 in Arkansas currently.  That may change when Interstate speeds change in July.
I thought that US 67 in 70?

True, but it's Future I-57, so I kinda consider it an Interstate already for the limited access portions.

sprjus4

Quote from: MikieTimT on May 11, 2020, 02:00:15 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 11, 2020, 01:57:40 PM
Quote from: MikieTimT on May 11, 2020, 01:51:47 PM
It's 65 in Arkansas currently.  That may change when Interstate speeds change in July.
I thought that US 67 in 70?

True, but it's Future I-57, so I kinda consider it an Interstate already for the limited access portions.
The law simply indicates a maximum for controlled-access highways and interstate highways being 70 mph. US-67 is not currently an interstate, and is posted at 70 mph.

The increase to 75 mph also applies to all controlled-access highways, not just interstate highways.

Ketchup99

Quote from: vdeane on May 11, 2020, 01:02:04 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on May 11, 2020, 12:22:11 AM
When Pennsylvania expanded the number and expanse of its 70 MPH zones in 2016, that included a few non-Interstate freeways:

- US 15 (from Trout Run north to the NY state line)
- PA Tpk. 576
- PA Tpk. 45 (most)
- PA Tpk. 66 (most)
I wonder if PA actually does care.  It's noteworthy that all those examples are either maintained by the PTC or a future interstate corridor.  Then again, 70 zones are sparse enough on PennDOT roadways that it can be hard to tell.

There's actually quite a lot of 70 in PA - most of 80, most of present/future 99, 380, 79 (I think), Turnpike, etc. Mostly, PA doesn't have too much non-interstate freeway, and so it is hard to tell.

vdeane

Quote from: Ketchup99 on May 11, 2020, 03:11:25 PM
Quote from: vdeane on May 11, 2020, 01:02:04 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on May 11, 2020, 12:22:11 AM
When Pennsylvania expanded the number and expanse of its 70 MPH zones in 2016, that included a few non-Interstate freeways:

- US 15 (from Trout Run north to the NY state line)
- PA Tpk. 576
- PA Tpk. 45 (most)
- PA Tpk. 66 (most)
I wonder if PA actually does care.  It's noteworthy that all those examples are either maintained by the PTC or a future interstate corridor.  Then again, 70 zones are sparse enough on PennDOT roadways that it can be hard to tell.

There's actually quite a lot of 70 in PA - most of 80, most of present/future 99, 380, 79 (I think), Turnpike, etc. Mostly, PA doesn't have too much non-interstate freeway, and so it is hard to tell.

There are still many roads that don't have any 70 zones for seemingly no reason, like I-81.  It's hardly pervasive like it would be in other parts of the country.
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