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RoadMaster09:

--- Quote from: bwana39 on December 01, 2023, 03:20:11 PM ---
--- Quote from: The Ghostbuster on December 01, 2023, 02:44:13 PM ---The US 82/US 278 Greenville Bypass should have been completed a long time ago. It looks like it will finally be completed in Fall 2025.

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It should have been.

It fell on the back burner when it looked like I-69 was coming fairly soon and fairly close. Now that I -69 looks half a century away (if ever) and not necessarily close.  If that had happened, it would have been duplicitous and likely under utilized. Completion of this road from MS-1 to US-61 (near Leland) signifies that Mississippi has no interest in the Great River Crossing (Dean Bridge). It probably signifies the last nail in its coffin.

I need to add one thing. This is just the upgrade of US-82 and US-278 from Greenville to Leland.Not so much part of the bypass

The largest Arkansas proponent for it being in that location is pretty much out of the picture now. Following a ROUGH US-82 route from El Dorado to the Mississippi River (at US-82) is relatively (if not a few less road miles) AND there is already a bridge there.  There is absolutely NO REASON for there to be two crossings within less than 30 miles of one another in a countryside (total population on both sides of the river) of less than 100,000 people.

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3568.0

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IMO, the Dean Bridge should be killed, and I-69 extended along the US 61 corridor to Greenville, then the US 82 corridor in Arkansas. While somewhat less direct, it helps provide better use of the Greenville Bridge and existing four-lane highways in Mississippi. Greenville is also somewhat larger and gets a central position too. While the Monticello Bypass loses its value, the El Dorado Bypass would become part of I-69.

codyg1985:
MDOT has awarded a $155 million contract to widen I-10 in Harrison and Hancock Counties between Diamondhead (Exit 13) and County Farm Road (Exit 28).

froggie:
^ Diamondhead is Exit 16.

But this would extend the 6 lanes to Exit 13 (MS 43/603) as MDOT widened I-10 between Exits 13 and 16 as part of the Jordan River Bridge replacement back in the mid 2000s.

MikieTimT:

--- Quote from: RoadMaster09 on December 25, 2023, 04:31:48 PM ---
--- Quote from: bwana39 on December 01, 2023, 03:20:11 PM ---
--- Quote from: The Ghostbuster on December 01, 2023, 02:44:13 PM ---The US 82/US 278 Greenville Bypass should have been completed a long time ago. It looks like it will finally be completed in Fall 2025.

--- End quote ---

It should have been.

It fell on the back burner when it looked like I-69 was coming fairly soon and fairly close. Now that I -69 looks half a century away (if ever) and not necessarily close.  If that had happened, it would have been duplicitous and likely under utilized. Completion of this road from MS-1 to US-61 (near Leland) signifies that Mississippi has no interest in the Great River Crossing (Dean Bridge). It probably signifies the last nail in its coffin.

I need to add one thing. This is just the upgrade of US-82 and US-278 from Greenville to Leland.Not so much part of the bypass

The largest Arkansas proponent for it being in that location is pretty much out of the picture now. Following a ROUGH US-82 route from El Dorado to the Mississippi River (at US-82) is relatively (if not a few less road miles) AND there is already a bridge there.  There is absolutely NO REASON for there to be two crossings within less than 30 miles of one another in a countryside (total population on both sides of the river) of less than 100,000 people.

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3568.0

--- End quote ---

IMO, the Dean Bridge should be killed, and I-69 extended along the US 61 corridor to Greenville, then the US 82 corridor in Arkansas. While somewhat less direct, it helps provide better use of the Greenville Bridge and existing four-lane highways in Mississippi. Greenville is also somewhat larger and gets a central position too. While the Monticello Bypass loses its value, the El Dorado Bypass would become part of I-69.

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I-69 having an even less direct routing through Louisiana, Arkansas, and Mississippi further limits its utility to interstate traffic.  Mississippi will have trouble coming up with their portion of the route whether there's an additional bridge to build between Arkansas and Mississippi.  The original routing that was considered prior to the abomination that became the "Dickey Split" like we have now ran more closely along US-79 and around Pine Bluff and kept most of the mileage in Arkansas, but Trent Lott had a lot of sway back then and wanted to bring home the federal dollars to Mississippi to further develop the Delta, which surely does need it.  The same was true of Robert Moore, who was an ARDOT commissioner prior to the current one and coincidentally lives in Arkansas City.  I'll leave you to consult a map to see where the Dean Bridge is forecasted to be built.  Since he's no longer commissioner, and Lott has passed on, most of the folks who were pushing for the current route aren't in the picture anymore, so I'd be shocked if the route doesn't get revisited at some point before any of the middle SIU portions (11, 12, 13, and 14) get funding.

It would have more utility and serve more people to run up along US-79 past Pine Bluff from El Dorado and then from Hughes (south of the UP/St. Louis Southwestern RailRoad that runs from El Dorado up through Clarendon) over to Tunica to build a Mississippi River bridge south of the I-55 bridge to give the Memphis area a 3rd crossing and a better bypass of Memphis for those transiting cross country to the Gulf Coast from mid-America.  It'd also give a better road facility for Camden, AR, which is where they make a fair number of the rockets (and HIMARS) that are being lobbed in Ukraine right now, so the US and its NATO partners will be putting in $1B's in orders over the foreseeable future as the world outlook has the defense industry in general ramping up for likely the next decade at least.

bwana39:

--- Quote from: MikieTimT on January 25, 2024, 04:02:06 PM ---

I-69 having an even less direct routing through Louisiana, Arkansas, and Mississippi further limits its utility to interstate traffic.  Mississippi will have trouble coming up with their portion of the route whether there's an additional bridge to build between Arkansas and Mississippi.  The original routing that was considered prior to the abomination that became the "Dickey Split" like we have now ran more closely along US-79 and around Pine Bluff and kept most of the mileage in Arkansas, but Trent Lott had a lot of sway back then and wanted to bring home the federal dollars to Mississippi to further develop the Delta, which surely does need it.  The same was true of Robert Moore, who was an ARDOT commissioner prior to the current one and coincidentally lives in Arkansas City.  I'll leave you to consult a map to see where the Dean Bridge is forecasted to be built.  Since he's no longer commissioner, and Lott has passed on, most of the folks who were pushing for the current route aren't in the picture anymore, so I'd be shocked if the route doesn't get revisited at some point before any of the middle SIU portions (11, 12, 13, and 14) get funding.


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Hear Hear!

My only disagreement with all of it is that the I-69 from Nacogdoches to Memphis via US-61 (either along US-82 or a new bridge) would probably be roughly the same mileage as 369 /30/40 (only 25 miles farther using existing roads with no shortening) . The US-79 based route would probably be a little closer (almost exact with no straightening.)

I want to add one thing. The Arkansas Highway Commission is not a part of ArDOT. It holds their purse strings. ALL OF THEM. It would be more powerful than the governor herself if it were not the governor who appoints them.

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