Florida

[sprjus4]

Curious from those who have driven in the area, how has the new FL-429 beltway been at avoiding I-4 / bypassing Orlando, now that it is finished (or mostly finished) along the former / upgraded FL-46?

[NJRoadfan]

FL-429 is.... fine. The problem remains I-4 between FL-429 and US-27. The result is FL-429 backs up to around Exit 1 most days. There is a new aux lane between the FL-429 onramp and the offramp for Exit 58 (CR-532) that recently opened. Somehow I doubt its going to improve too much.

[SilverMustang2011]

FL-429 is.... fine. The problem remains I-4 between FL-429 and US-27. The result is FL-429 backs up to around Exit 1 most days. There is a new aux lane between the FL-429 onramp and the offramp for Exit 58 (CR-532) that recently opened. Somehow I doubt its going to improve too much.

Per the "Beyond the Ultimate" website, FDOT plans to add two express lanes on I-4 to west of US-27 in the long term, but they mention maintaining the three general use lanes and adding auxiliary lanes. At the least, I wish they would add an EB aux lane between Exits 55 and 58 asap, as the two lanes from US-27 have to merge into the general purpose lanes and contribute to traffic almost always backing up there.

[Great Lakes Roads]

Speaking of which... the final segment of Wekiva Parkway (SR 429) opens to traffic tonight into Saturday morning!

[rickmastfan67]

Speaking of which... the final segment of Wekiva Parkway (SR 429) opens to traffic tonight into Saturday morning!

Hope somebody can double check the new exit numbers on the final section.  They seem to keep changing for some odd reason.

[Avalanchez71]

Speaking of which... the final segment of Wekiva Parkway (SR 429) opens to traffic tonight into Saturday morning!

More waste of funds.

[ElishaGOtis]

Speaking of which... the final segment of Wekiva Parkway (SR 429) opens to traffic tonight into Saturday morning!

Hope somebody can double check the new exit numbers on the final section.  They seem to keep changing for some odd reason.

The new numbers are much better than the original proposal imho.

• Exit 54 - Rinehart Rd
• Exit 55A - I-4 both directions
• Exit 55B - Int'l Pkwy / Heathrow

Exit numbers on I-4, however, need a second look... many are downright contradictory

Rest of the interchange is quite nice completed.

[NJRoadfan]

Here are the I-4 exits: https://maps.app.goo.gl/9JJjKotdB4bAiMj18

The FL-46 exit is being renumbered to Exit 101D, while FL-429 south is going to be Exit 101C.

[rickmastfan67]

Speaking of which... the final segment of Wekiva Parkway (SR 429) opens to traffic tonight into Saturday morning!

Hope somebody can double check the new exit numbers on the final section.  They seem to keep changing for some odd reason.

The new numbers are much better than the original proposal imho.

• Exit 54 - Rinehart Rd
• Exit 55A - I-4 both directions
• Exit 55B - Int'l Pkwy / Heathrow

Exit numbers on I-4, however, need a second look... many are downright contradictory

Rest of the interchange is quite nice completed.

So, this signage has been 'fixed'?

I'm just super confused when it comes to the numbering scheme there so I can fix up both FL-429 & FL-417 over @ TM.

Pictures would also be really welcomed to lay any confusion to rest too!

[roadman65]

Here are the I-4 exits: https://maps.app.goo.gl/9JJjKotdB4bAiMj18

The FL-46 exit is being renumbered to Exit 101D, while FL-429 south is going to be Exit 101C.

Using Mount Dora on SR 46 is not a good idea anymore being SR 46 west leads you now TO SR 429 to that place. Therefore you might as well stay on I-4 to SR 429.

Plus the SR 46 guide should be amended to include SOUTH US 17/ WEST US 92 being just to the east of that said interchange begins a 3 mile overlap with SR 46 since the former US 17/92 along Lake Monroe got relinquished to the City of Sanford and the US routes were realigned.

[ElishaGOtis]

Speaking of which... the final segment of Wekiva Parkway (SR 429) opens to traffic tonight into Saturday morning!

Hope somebody can double check the new exit numbers on the final section.  They seem to keep changing for some odd reason.

The new numbers are much better than the original proposal imho.

• Exit 54 - Rinehart Rd
• Exit 55A - I-4 both directions
• Exit 55B - Int'l Pkwy / Heathrow

Exit numbers on I-4, however, need a second look... many are downright contradictory

Rest of the interchange is quite nice completed.

So, this signage has been 'fixed'?

I'm just super confused when it comes to the numbering scheme there so I can fix up both FL-429 & FL-417 over @ TM.

Pictures would also be really welcomed to lay any confusion to rest too!

Apparently they were just changed again from both my travels and that GSV image. Still in transition though, I'd give it some time.

I made a huge mistake with regards to this interchange on Waze...

[NJRoadfan]

I'm impressed that they managed to build both bypasses to be nearly the exact same length.

[The Ghostbuster]

Weren't the FL 417 and FL 429 bypasses originally to have had only one number: FL 417? It made sense to give the bypasses two numbers. The only thing I disagree with is I think the FL 414 designation should have ended at FL 429, and not duplexed with 429 to US 441.

[ElishaGOtis]

Weren't the FL 417 and FL 429 bypasses originally to have had only one number: FL 417? It made sense to give the bypasses two numbers. The only thing I disagree with is I think the FL 414 designation should have ended at FL 429, and not duplexed with 429 to US 441.

The single route COULD be achieved by an interstate designation, if Florida goes down the Oklahoma path.

However, you have a point with 414. Kinda strange how it terminates in the middle of the thoroughfare...

[sprjus4]

The single route COULD be achieved by an interstate designation, if Florida goes down the Oklahoma path.

I feel like a single route would cause more confusion then help... look at I-295 in Jacksonville. It's a single route but you have an "east" and "west" beltway that are two different corridors effectively.

However, you have a point with 414. Kinda strange how it terminates in the middle of the thoroughfare...

My guess is that is supposed to be a "bypass" for US-441 - but I agree it's not necessary... it should just end at FL-429.

[ElishaGOtis]

The single route COULD be achieved by an interstate designation, if Florida goes down the Oklahoma path.

I feel like a single route would cause more confusion then help... look at I-295 in Jacksonville. It's a single route but you have an "east" and "west" beltway that are two different corridors effectively.

While there are examples of beltways that aren't a "perfect" loop, given the precedent in Jacksonville (which IS a perfect loop), I completely agree with your rationale.
The biggest challenge in ensuring a single route could be maintained is the merge point of 429, 417, and I-4. Currently, each side of the Orlando beltway IS a separate highway, with the only direct connection being at the Wekiva interchange. Even if C/D ramps were extended from World Dr to 429, it doesn't negate the fact there's a north/south redundancy. Unless Mickey Mouse wants to upgrade Osceola, I think they will stay completely separate.

Not to mention each side has independent exit numbers (for the most part) and different names, 429 being Webster Beltway/Wekiva Pkwy and 417 being Seminole Expy/CFL GreeneWay.

However, you have a point with 414. Kinda strange how it terminates in the middle of the thoroughfare...

My guess is that is supposed to be a "bypass" for US-441 - but I agree it's not necessary... it should just end at FL-429.

After seeing this, the NUMBER makes sense (1 and 4 switched) with respect to where the expressway portion begins and ends, but since it serves that purpose as a bypass of 441, maybe it should have been extended on what is now 453?

(edit: quotes fixed)

[roadman65]

However, you have a point with 414. Kinda strange how it terminates in the middle of the thoroughfare...

That's cause the part of SR 429 that has the SR 414 co-signed was originally intended to be solo SR 414 as part of the John Landis Apopka Bypass. SR 451 was SR 429 until the Parkway alignment got moved further west so it aligned itself with the John Landis and SR 429 got moved onto part of that as well.

[The Ghostbuster]

FL 429's old alignment just south of Exit 30 is still easily seen along its former right-of-way: https://www.google.com/maps/@28.6489743,-81.5375526,1418m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu. I expect the land to eventually be developed, so only FL 453 will remain of old 429.

[rickmastfan67]

so only FL 453 will remain of old 429.

FL-451* 

[formulanone]

so only FL 453 will remain of old 429.

FL-451* 

Everyone gets an I-x04! (except 104, 404, 704, and 804; those are taken; and that's the end of my off-topic renumbering plan.)

[Jaxrunner]

I think an Interstate 404 would be cool. This would be fitting for the SR 417 & SR 429, however this probably belongs in fictional roads.

[roadman65]

FL 429's old alignment just south of Exit 30 is still easily seen along its former right-of-way: https://www.google.com/maps/@28.6489743,-81.5375526,1418m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu. I expect the land to eventually be developed, so only FL 453 will remain of old 429.

Yup FL 453 will remain as a spur just as FL 451 to FL 46 east of Mount Dora.🤣😂
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Apopka,+FL/@28.6740054,-81.5682494,12.91z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x88e77739cc157c19:0xd71d0f8ffc80e888!8m2!3d28.6934076!4d-81.5322149!16zL20vMHJwZmY?entry=ttu

[The Ghostbuster]

I do know where FL 451 and FL 453 are. I just mistyped it. Oops!

[roadman65]

I do know where FL 451 and FL 453 are. I just mistyped it. Oops!

That's okay. Be glad I'm not like some other users on here who love to use people with typos to boost their egos during inferiority complexes.

[ElishaGOtis]

so only FL 453 will remain of old 429.

FL-451* 

Everyone gets an I-x04! (except 104, 404, 704, and 804; those are taken; and that's the end of my off-topic renumbering plan.)

I think an Interstate 404 would be cool. This would be fitting for the SR 417 & SR 429, however this probably belongs in fictional roads.

FDOT was (is?) legitimately proposing "SR-504" as the designation for the east extension of SR-408...
https://fip.fdot.gov/Studies/Details/70

Yes, it follows SR-50 but even then, the current 408 acts as a bypass to 50 despite being on a separate corridor. I-504 for both SR-408 and SR-504 wouldn't be too far fetched, and I have a hunch this possibility was considered in the number selection. While most of the ideas for what 528 or 429/417 could be as an Interstate are certainly fictional, maybe that isn't as much the case with an I-504?

Also, what are the protocols for designating an existing state-funded tollway as an interstate? FHWA seems to indicate that funding sources and access management approvals are the main elements, but if those were the case, wouldn't there be a lot more tollways as interstates in FL (outside of 275 & 75)?

It almost seems like the proposals for interstate tollways in FL are missing... it must be an error, especially for I-404  /s