Alternative to Overhauling GDOT
http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/news/Alternative_to_Overhauling_Georgia_DOT_032709 (http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/news/Alternative_to_Overhauling_Georgia_DOT_032709)
Be well,
Bryant
The 2009 official state highway map is out and much to my surprise a Business Loop Interstate 95 shield appears near Darien! None of the BL-75's (what is left of them) appear either.
For those who have never driven the Darien business loop, there is only one actual shield along the route, and none at the interchange end points outside those on the I-95 mainline guide signs.
Some Interstate 85 rest stops now closed (http://www.gainesvilletimes.com/news/article/22727/)
The Georgia Department of Transportation has closed Interstate 85 rest areas off the northbound lanes in Franklin County and southbound lanes in Gwinnett County.
DOT District Engineer Russell McMurry has said that many factors go into the deciding to close rest areas.
"Criminal activity is rising at these locations. Safety is definitely a factor in this decision. Private development along the interstate now provides the services offered by rest areas," he said.
McMurry also said the condition of the rest areas "has deteriorated and the cost to maintain them is high."
Message boards are alerting motorists that the rest areas are closed. Also, barricades are in place to prevent entry into the areas.
I am not a big fan of the new signs going up, i.e. one just south of the Kennedy Interchange at Cumberland Blvd. Give me the old Georgia font, not the new font.
Quote from: pippin2424 on February 10, 2009, 12:29:34 AM
The biggest plan right now for an outer highway is between 75 and 85 in the north to follow GA route 20 from Buford to Cartersville...still a long way off and probably will not be a full fledged freeway.
The northern arc, right? But didn't that get shot down? I remember Governor Roy Barnes was pushing hard for it and it may've contributed to his defeat in 2002.
The outer loop that's been referenced a few times was proposed as early as the 1960, IIRC.
Quote from: AARoads on May 14, 2009, 03:37:59 AM
The 2009 official state highway map is out and much to my surprise a Business Loop Interstate 95 shield appears near Darien! None of the BL-75's (what is left of them) appear either.
It's really on the map? Wow. I have downloaded the copy on their website and it doesn't show it at all.
http://www.dot.state.ga.us/maps/Pages/default.aspx (http://www.dot.state.ga.us/maps/Pages/default.aspx)
Mind showing a picture of that section of the map? Because (to be honest) I don't believe it. :-D
Getting off the subject of Metro Atlanta for a moment, there's a sign configuration on I-95 that has always irked me
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The next sign being blocked by the pole for the Welcome Center sign reads "Next Rest Area 116 Miles." Wouldn't it make more sense to move that as a supplemental plaque underneath the existing big blue sign?
Quote from: D-Dey65 on October 16, 2009, 02:07:20 AM
The next sign being blocked by the pole for the Welcome Center sign reads "Next Rest Area 116 Miles." Wouldn't it make more sense to move that as a supplemental plaque underneath the existing big blue sign?
Since when do government entities make sense? :confused: (Or for that matter many large private entities.)
But semi-seriously folks, doesn't 116 miles put that next rest area in South Carolina? In my experience, it seems to be spotty whether or not state DOTs acknowledge the existence of rest areas in other states. (Or even the fact that other states exist! :sombrero:)
Quote from: mightyace on October 16, 2009, 05:51:01 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on October 16, 2009, 02:07:20 AM
The next sign being blocked by the pole for the Welcome Center sign reads "Next Rest Area 116 Miles." Wouldn't it make more sense to move that as a supplemental plaque underneath the existing big blue sign?
Since when do government entities make sense? :confused: (Or for that matter many large private entities.)
But semi-seriously folks, doesn't 116 miles put that next rest area in South Carolina?
Yes it does. In fact, I asked the woman at the front desk of the Welcome Center about that this spring. I wonder if she was single and available.
Ronald Reagan Parkway Extension (http://www.gwinnettcounty.com/cgi-bin/gwincty/egov/ep/gcbrowse.do?channelId=-536882290&pageTypeId=536880238&pm=News+%26+Events&sm=Press+Releases&pOID=614756)
Be well,
Bryant
Sounds like a waste of Gwinnett money to me, nothing is going to help traffic in that part of town except a population decline.
I think they are going to have to have a creative JOI submittal to the FHWA too since that exit between Beaver Ruin(102) and Pleasant Hill(104) would come in conflict with the Steve Reynolds exit(103) which would then violate the traditional 1 per mile exit rule.
Steve Williams posted about a possible Interstate 516 extension on his blog (http://blog.georgiaroadgeek.com/2009/11/07/could-i516-be-extended.aspx) recently.
Okay, I've got another couple of Georgia-related questions;
How far has the recent flooding delayed the reconstruction of I-75 south of the south end of I-475 near Macon.
Over on southbound I-75 in Cook County, I saw a R.O.W. for a side road near Rest Area #6. Was I-75 a replacement for this road?
Quote from: D-Dey65 on November 13, 2009, 04:31:03 PM
Okay, I've got another couple of Georgia-related questions;
How far has the recent flooding delayed the reconstruction of I-75 south of the south end of I-475 near Macon
The flooding only affected (effected? I always confuse those, lol) Metro Atlanta, due to its proximity to the Chattahoochee and its tributaries.
Be well,
Bryant
Affected = had an effect on. (Yeah, that's why it's confusing.)
Effected = brought about.
Major interstate construction projects in Augusta now complete (http://www.nbcaugusta.com/news/local/69601942.html)
QuoteThe Department of Transportation says the I-20/520 interchange is now open, nine months ahead of schedule.
Work on the interchange started in 2007.
The DOT also says it completed the widening of I-20 from Warren Road to the Augusta Canal on time. The widening project included two bridge replacements over Washington Road and River Watch Parkway.
Alex,
Thanks for sharing this info about the completion of the I-20/I-520 (Bobby Jones Expressway) work.
Now, I'm waiting for SC to complete it's stretch of I-520. Once that is done (estimated completion date 12/31), I will take that opportunity to "clinch" my last Georgia Interstate *plus* the new SC section all at once.
Thanks again and take care.
Steve :)
http://www.georgiaroadgeek.com (http://www.georgiaroadgeek.com)
Quote from: AlpsROADS on November 13, 2009, 05:33:09 PM
Affected = had an effect on. (Yeah, that's why it's confusing.)
Effected = brought about.
Thanks. :D
Be well,
Bryant
I wonder about the I-3 project. I wonder if it's dead or not :ded:
Quote from: simguy228 on November 14, 2009, 05:20:45 PM
I wonder about the I-3 project. I wonder if it's dead or not :ded:
I really hope so. It makes I-99 sound like a well-thought-out number.
I was coming back down south from my trip to New York this week, and I discovered that Exit 102 southbound has no signals at US 80 and the on and off ramps! That's way too dangerous and should be taken care of right now!
I was looking up directions for a friend and noticed that Georgia 20 has a new four-lane alignment bypassing Hampton. There is a footprint for a diamond interchange at the west end of the parkway and grade separations with US 41 and Old Griffin Road. Are their plans to continue the road west and was the upgrade done basically to help traffic issues with Atlanta Motor Speedway?
Quote from: AARoads on June 17, 2010, 04:00:10 PM
I was looking up directions for a friend and noticed that Georgia 20 has a new four-lane alignment bypassing Hampton. There is a footprint for a diamond interchange at the west end of the parkway and grade separations with US 41 and Old Griffin Road. Are their plans to continue the road west and was the upgrade done basically to help traffic issues with Atlanta Motor Speedway?
While I'm not sure whether there are any plans to continue the road west, as I understand traffic issues with AMS were indeed the main motivation behind the upgrade. Before that upgrade, the only multi-lane road leading to the speedway was US 19/41, which has many traffic lights between there and I-75 to the north. I actually lived in Hampton for about 20 years, and I can vouch for the fact that this was a very badly needed upgrade.
I dont think there are any plans to upgrade the road further west and yes, the AMS was the only reason behind the Petty Parkway, i mean SR 20.
Speaking of the S.R. 20 freeway segment: I saw it being built for several years, trying to figure out what was going on. It looks very nice.
S.R. 20 video: Hampton to Conyers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVYaLoE6Eic)
Bruton Smith Parkway @ Night (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpqNmkfy3Ns)
Be well,
Bryant
Heading southbound out of Rome, I saw construction of what appears to be a new interchange along U.S. 27, perhaps for a relocated U.S. 411?
(//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/us-027_sb_after_us-411.jpg) (//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/us-027_sb_after_us-411.jpg)
Oddly the current split of U.S. 411 south from U.S. 27 south is only signed with one assembly. I did not notice signage until the turn lane for U.S. 411 was about to depart.
From http://www.rockmartjrl.com/printer_friendly/6451537 (http://www.rockmartjrl.com/printer_friendly/6451537):
"The new bridge is part of the Southwest Rome Bypass construction project. This project includes 5.48 miles of widening and reconstruction on U.S. 27, beginning south of the Coosa River. It also includes the construction of five bridges within its limits.
Work on the Southwest Rome Bypass began early April 2008. The entire project is scheduled to be completed by the end of August 2011, at a construction cost of close to $55 million."
I drove from Atlanta to the NC coast recently on I-20 through Augusta and Columbia and then up I-95 to US74. I'm sorry, but how could any Dept. of Transportation build such a ridiculously ugly interstate as I-20? It's narrow, often lacks a full-width emergency lane shoulder, and those horrible raised rather-than-cantilevered signs are beyond awful. The fake stonework sound walls in Augusta are equally as bad.
South Carolina was an improvement over Georgia, however upon arriving in NC the highways became most impressive, more generously positioned, and with huge steel gantries cantilevering perfect signage. North Carolina knows how to build roads, thats for sure. But at least Georgia has returned to using the big fat font on overhead signage, a welcome sight here on the I-75/85 DT Connector.
^^^
I drove around North Carolina at the end of May and Georgia around the fourth of July.
I mainly drove I-40 and 77 and they reminded me of northern interstates they were so bad!
Meanwhile, I-75 in Georgia was smooth as glass.
And, having watched cantilevered signs fall here in TN, I'll take Georgia's funky posts any day.
I thought following link regarding construction on Georgia's interstates, etc. would be useful for those travelling in Georgia:
http://www.georgia-navigator.com/construction
It provides reports on lane closures, etc. for next 24 hrs, next 72 hrs, this week, and weekend.
^^
The 511 number comes in handy as well. When I travel during rush hour in the Metro Atlanta area, I use it readily; although, the automated system can sometimes be quite deaf. :-)
Be well,
Bryant
Here is Georgia part of AASHTO report presented in Little Rock today:
http://expandingcapacity.transportation.org/unlocking_freight/states/GA_Unlocking_Freight_0610.pdf
I must admit that I have never heard of the Jimmy Deloach Connector.
I think the reason that GDOT uses the raised versus the cantilevered signs is because of a storm about a decade ago along I-85 in Gwinnett County. If I remember correctly, a thunderstorm caused a cantilevered sign south of the Jimmy Carter Blvd. exit to fall down onto the pavement. In reaction to that mishap, the standard was changed from cantilevered to what you see now, and they have been phasing the cantilevered signs out ever since. Correct me if I am wrong, but I am pretty sure that is the reason.
That sounds reasonable. I have heard a fellow GDOT employee talk about how much strain those cantilever signs put on the anchor bolts at the base because gravity naturally wants to tip that sign over. That person said maintenance people were finding loosened anchor bolts in a few locations, so apparently it wasn't just a single incident that caused them to change their sign policy to only install overhead sign bridges or centered supports.
Quote from: 2Co5_14 on August 30, 2010, 10:18:09 PM
That sounds reasonable. I have heard a fellow GDOT employee talk about how much strain those cantilever signs put on the anchor bolts at the base because gravity naturally wants to tip that sign over. That person said maintenance people were finding loosened anchor bolts in a few locations, so apparently it wasn't just a single incident that caused them to change their sign policy to only install overhead sign bridges or centered supports.
I just today read an extensive research paper about that very problem. Examples were shown from Florida and the conclusion was to use a hollow pipe with rectangular torsion plates instead of anchor bolts, better tying the post into the structural capacity of the concrete. See, it's not the anchor bolts that failed, it's actually the concrete that failed first due to torsion and shear, thus putting all of the sign weight on the bolts alone, obviously leading to failure in short order.
Quote from: RoadWarrior56 on August 30, 2010, 08:25:59 PM
I think the reason that GDOT uses the raised versus the cantilevered signs is because of a storm about a decade ago along I-85 in Gwinnett County. If I remember correctly, a thunderstorm caused a cantilevered sign south of the Jimmy Carter Blvd. exit to fall down onto the pavement. In reaction to that mishap, the standard was changed from cantilevered to what you see now, and they have been phasing the cantilevered signs out ever since. Correct me if I am wrong, but I am pretty sure that is the reason.
Well, I'm going to put together a formal complaint and send it to GDOT. These strange looking signs don't qualify as overheads and are absurdly too far from all of the travel lanes depending on their information to make necessary lane adjustments. Common sense should tell you that the nation's widest interstates with the most travel lanes require signage legible to most of the lanes. These ridiculous "balanced butterfly" posts are a joke.
On another note, I plan to express my concern for the I-85 HOT LANE signage they're planning on littering Gwinnett County with. They're adding so much confusing signage beside all of the existing signage that no one will be able to process all of the info to safely navigate the highway. Plus they're introducing new terminologies that lanes are either EXPRESS or LOCAL. 1 Express lane and 5 local lanes. Idiotic
GDOT has awarded an $11 million contract for a new I-95 interchange approximately seven miles north of Woodbine:
http://romenews-tribune.com/view/full_story/9380681/article-DOT-picks-contractors-for-I-95-widening-in-Camden-Co?instance=home_news_lead_story
"The I-95 interchange is 7 miles north of Woodbine at Horse Stamp Church Road. It's needed to accommodate the recently added third lane in each direction along that section of road.
It will be constructed by Plant Improvement Co., Inc., of Brunswick, and Rogers Bridge Co., Inc., of Atlanta and provide a diamond-configured system of entrance and exit ramps"
Quote from: ShawnP on August 29, 2010, 12:19:16 PM
I have heard that all funding had been recieved and actual construction was well along enough to be done by some time in 2011.
Georgia's 15 year, $1 billion I-95 widening project is almost complete (from Aug. 22, 2010 NPR):
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129302124
"In the next few months, Georgia will be the first state in the Southeast to finish its expansion of I-95. It will accommodate three lanes of traffic in each direction from South Carolina to Florida. Todd Long with the Georgia Department of Transportation says the state has spent over a billion dollars in the last 15 years to widen I-95.
"That's a lot of money," he says. "Even today in 2010, that's almost worth an entire capital program for the entire state, invested in one corridor. I would rate it up there as one of the most important interstates we have in the whole country.""
From the Georgia Road Geek on FB (http://www.facebook.com/#!/georgiaroadgeek):
Pounding out Phase 5 of Truman Parkway (http://savannahnow.com/news/2010-09-14/pounding-out-phase-5-truman-parkway)
QuoteTwo down, approximately 950 to go.
Six months into a three-year project to complete the final phase of the Truman Parkway, a steady, ground-shaking pounding reverberates from the work site near Whitefield Avenue and Truman Parkway as the first pilings are driven into place.
A swath of trees has been cleared, and the first packed, earthen foundation of the future road and on-ramp is taking shape. It leads to the first of three twin bridges that will carry motorists over the grassy marshes and the slow, wide curves of the upper edge of the Vernon River.
Work crews already have a few spans in place for a temporary steel trestle that will be built between the bridges. It will serve as a staging site for bridgework.
The $67.5 million project, guided by Balfour Beatty Infrastructure of Wilmington, N.C., will connect the parkway to Abercorn Extension, and for the first time will allow swifter travel from the southside to eastern Savannah and the islands.
GDOT's new signage carrys on the legacy of imperfections...They should just give up and hire another state to make Georgia's guidesigns
Small text appears 3 different sizes, Raised-Capital treatment inconsistent, Georgia shield way too small, Elevated right-shoulder signage don't qualify as "overheads", easily visible to all lanes...I wish I could get a job at GDOT, they'd hate me....
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^^
There's a similar situation on I-20 East at U.S. 278 West/S.R. 12 West/124 North (Turner Hill Road - Lithonia/Snellville). I can't recall off-hand which was added to the sign gantry last -- S.R. 12 or S.R. 124 -- but in any event, it's too small. I was going to post a photo, but google maps doesn't show it. And I don't have it in my inventory.
Be well,
Bryant
Ronald Reagan Parkway is a limited-access highway that connects Snellville to I-85, via Pleasant Hill Road. Pleasant Hill Road has a litany of traffic lights from Ronald Reagan's northern end to Veterans Parkway (I-85).
Ronald Reagan Parkway extension (http://www.reaganextension.com/home.cfm)
Ronald Reagan Parkway extension feasibility study (http://www.gwinnettdailypost.com/localnews/headlines/102402999.html)
Pleasant Hill Road & Ronald Reagan Parkway (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAebFgCQWFo)
Be well,
Bryant
Is Georgia doing away with full width exit tabs?
Quote from: UptownRoadGeek on October 07, 2010, 12:15:26 AM
Is Georgia doing away with full width exit tabs?
Yeah, I think they are on a gradual basis. I've noticed several above-tabs in the downtown area along with a few on I-85 (intown). Mostly on the connector.
Quote from: ATLRedSoxFan on October 07, 2010, 07:14:49 AM
Quote from: UptownRoadGeek on October 07, 2010, 12:15:26 AM
Is Georgia doing away with full width exit tabs?
Yeah, I think they are on a gradual basis. I've noticed several above-tabs in the downtown area along with a few on I-85 (intown). Mostly on the connector.
They must be confined to Atlanta, because I saw none elsewhere during two days of driving across the state last week.
^^
Most of the tabbed-exit signage is around the HOV exits, where GDOT's installed new signage. The only other place in Georgia that I've seen tabbed-exit signage is on the Liberty Expressway, in Albany.
Be well,
Bryant
Parts of I-985 near Gainesville also have it.
Controversial West Fayetteville Bypass - Phase I (http://southernroadgeek.blogspot.com/2010/10/west-fayetteville-parkway-phase-i.html).
Be well,
Bryant
Did GDOT put traffic signals on US 80 at Southbound Exit 102 on I-95 yet?
One question about Georgia 400: It's a state highway that's co-signed with U.S. 19. How did 400 get priority over it being called U.S. 19?
What do you mean? It was built as SR 400 and then US 19 was moved onto it.
You are correct, it was GA 400 for about 10 yrs, before 19 was moved over, which was about 1981. And nobody around here EVER calls it US 19.
Quote from: RoadWarrior56 on December 18, 2010, 08:22:04 PM
You are correct, it was GA 400 for about 10 yrs, before 19 was moved over, which was about 1981. And nobody around here EVER calls it US 19.
Oh, I see. Makes since.
Nice clip, I like the Supertramp song :D
I have family near there and remembered seeing the Old Alabama Rd portion under construction a while back. Nice to see what the finished product looks like.
It is being reported that GDOT is studying three modified routes for the US 411 Connector:
http://romenews-tribune.com/view/full_story/12136870/article-New-review-for-411-Connector-
This situation is interesting because at least one Transportation Board member acknowledges that an opponent's lawsuit, even unsuccessful, could be enough to stop construction along the current approved route:
"Consultants are studying several possible changes to the approved U.S. 411 Connector route, although state officials say they expect the selected route to prevail.
"We believe this alignment to be not only the preferred route, but the only practicable route to meet the project's need and purpose," Georgia Department of Transportation Press Secretary David Spear wrote in an e-mailed response to queries.
But Spear said "it is only prudent" for the GDOT to make a brief study of possible options while federal agencies complete their review of environmental issues raised by opponents.
The GDOT moved at least $170,212 from its pot of right-of-way money last fall to pay for a study of as many as three alternatives that would avoid property owned by the Rollins family ...
The proposed 7.31-mile, limited access highway in Bartow County is aimed at linking U.S. 411 from Rome to Interstate 75 and easing congestion in CartersÂville.
Route D-VE was approved in 2009, but the wealthy Rollins family mobilized resistance to the section at the eastern end that traverses their ranch.
After hiring a public relations firm and starting up an organization called Coalition for the Right Road, the family gave the city of Euharlee a conservation easement for a wildlife refuge and asked for further studies on an abandoned 19th century manganese mine ...
State Transportation Board member David Doss of Rome said the move [studying options for the route] makes sense for two reasons: He expects the Rollins family to file a lawsuit as a last resort, and the $182.4 million construction cost of DV-E is problematic.
"I am as certain as I can be that we'll prevail in court, but how much time and money will that waste?" Doss said. "Also, we could win the legal battle and lose the war, because GDOT can no longer afford to build roads of this magnitude."
I think it is weird to see a stop DV-E sign on US 278 in Rockmart though.
Quote from: SSF on March 18, 2011, 07:17:20 PM
I think it is weird to see a stop DV-E sign on US 278 in Rockmart though.
I have not seen any of these signs. Could you tell if it was put up by the Right Road group that is financed by the Rollins family?
Quote from: Grzrd on March 19, 2011, 09:03:15 AM
Quote from: SSF on March 18, 2011, 07:17:20 PM
I think it is weird to see a stop DV-E sign on US 278 in Rockmart though.
I have not seen any of these signs. Could you tell if it was put up by the Right Road group that is financed by the Rollins family?
I couldn't tell really, i just have seen it the last few times driving back to west metro Atlanta from Gadsden. I thought it might be a new chicken house/factory or something; had no idea it was road related.
Question;
I saw a new interchange being built on I-95. Which road is the new Exit 22 supposed to be for?
Quote from: D-Dey65 on April 26, 2011, 11:36:46 PM
Question;
I saw a new interchange being built on I-95. Which road is the new Exit 22 supposed to be for?
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=204.msg77270#msg77270
;)
GDOT Board has approved a bond issue to fund the Jimmy Deloach Connector, which is designed to connect the Port of Savannah to I-95. Current projected completion date is late 2015:
http://savannahnow.com/news/2011-04-22/jimmy-deloach-connector-funding-clears-dot-board
In regard to the deepening of the Savannah River for the Port of Savannah, Governor Deal recently indicated that, if the feds do not provide the necessary funding, the state is prepared to come up with the necessary funding for dredging in anticipation of completion of the Panama Canal expansion in 2014:
http://chronicle.augusta.com/news/government/elections/georgia-elections/georgia-governor/2011-04-20/deal-georgia-ready-fund
EDIT
Here's a link to a map of the Jimmy Deloach Connector [page 2/51 of the pdf]:
http://www.corempo.org/Documents/04JDCDraftConceptReport_10-2009_V3_201010220127.pdf
The Western Commercial Connector is a proposed 113 mile, $2 billion toll road that would bypass Atlanta to the west by leaving I-75 north of Cartersville (I-75 Exit # 285) and reconnecting to I-75 near Griffin (I-75 Exit # 198). It is proposed to be built entirely with private funds and backers say it could be open in 2019:
http://www.times-georgian.com/view/full_story/13016717/article-Toll-road-proposed-to-skirt-Atlanta-congestion?instance=TG_home_story_offset
EDIT
A map of the proposed Connector can be found at this link:
http://the-grip.net/2011/04/29/counties-have-mixed-feelings-about-potential-toll-road/
Building all that in 3 years?
Bwhahahaha
Not to mention the other, likely barriers.
I doubt that this roadway gets built. A lot people would get displaced, and there would be a lot of uproar due to other factors. I'd like to drive it, though. :-)
Be well,
Bryant
There's also the little matter of it wouldn't do a whole lot for Atlanta traffic. They talk about diverting through trucks, but in the grand scheme of things, through trucks are only a SMALL fraction of overall Atlanta traffic on I-75.
Wasn't an outer loop being planned, like in the 90's, that would go near Cartersville and Griffin, or somewhere between Marietta and Cartersville and Jonesboro and Griffin? Or did I dream that?
The FHWA Expert Working Group working on the Third Infantry Division Highway ("TIDH") is supposed to provide cost estimates for construction of the westernmost alternative corridor (Corridor A on this map: http://www.wayssouth.org/campaigns/stop-i-3/resources/potential-i3-routes/) no later than June. It will be interesting to see how that price tag will compare to the $2 billion tag for this one (WCC map: http://the-grip.net/2011/04/29/counties-have-mixed-feelings-about-potential-toll-road/), since a major justification for both is to provide a quicker route for Savannah's freight to bypass Atlanta and get to Midwest, etc. TIDH simply does a NE bypass and WCC does a I-16 to I-75 western bypass.
Quote from: OracleUsr on May 02, 2011, 12:29:01 PM
Wasn't an outer loop being planned, like in the 90's, that would go near Cartersville and Griffin, or somewhere between Marietta and Cartersville and Jonesboro and Griffin? Or did I dream that?
Yes, you are correct; at one time, there were plans of building a Northern Arc, utilizing S.R. 20 between Cartersville/Rome and Buford, or thereabouts.
Be well,
Bryant
I was looking at the Georgia DOT website and it looks like I-20 will be under the gun. Some mjaor projects kicking off this summer include adding C/D lanes on I-20 from the 285 eastside perimeter to Panola Road, widening I-20 from SR-142 in Newton County to SR-83 in Morgan County and adding a new interchange at the Three Points Rd overpass in McDuffie County. Other highlights inlcude the possible striping of a fourth lane along I-85 from SR-34 to the Coweta/Fulton County line and cable barrier median installation from Forrest Road in Meriwether County to Bethlehem Church Rd in Coweta County.
http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/bolt-possible-cause-for-1108756.html
it'll be interesting to see if their proposed reason is the actual reason for the failure. Thank God it happened at midnight Saturday/Sunday instead of 7:30 am tomorrow.
Quote from: Grzrd on August 30, 2010, 05:54:20 PM
Here is Georgia part of AASHTO report presented in Little Rock today:
http://expandingcapacity.transportation.org/unlocking_freight/states/GA_Unlocking_Freight_0610.pdf
I must admit that I have never heard of the Jimmy Deloach Connector.
Quote from: Grzrd on April 28, 2011, 04:38:30 PM
GDOT Board has approved a bond issue to fund the Jimmy Deloach Connector, which is designed to connect the Port of Savannah to I-95. Current projected completion date is late 2015 ... Here's a link to a map of the Jimmy Deloach Connector [page 2/51 of the pdf]:
http://www.corempo.org/Documents/04JDCDraftConceptReport_10-2009_V3_201010220127.pdf
GDOT awarded an approximate $73 million contract for the Jimmy Deloach Connector today:
http://www.dot.state.ga.us/informationcenter/pressroom/PressReleases/TransportationProjects-Roadworks-12-2-11.pdf
"The Port of Savannah's long-anticipated "last mile" project - the Jimmy Deloach (Parkway)
Connector — moved closer to reality today as the Georgia Department of Transportation awarded a $73 million
contract for its construction.
The Deloach Connector will serve truck traffic movements between the Port's main gate and Interstate Highway 95
and will reduce current truck congestion on State Route 21. As many as 10,000 trucks access the Port daily and that
number is expected to increase substantially in years to come.
Ports Authority and State Transportation Board officials have said the new roadway is critical to
improving Port access and growing the state's logistics industry. "This is as important as any project the
Department has begun since I've been on the Transportation Board," Chairman Rudy Bowen
commented. "The economic impact of this project will be huge for Savannah and huge for all of
Georgia."
"When complete, the Jimmy Deloach Connector will provide direct access from the Port of Savannah to
I-95 and I-16; helping to create a transportation and logistics hub for the entire Southeast U.S.," added
Curtis Foltz, Ports Authority Executive Director. "This project could never have been awarded without
the strong leadership of Governor Nathan Deal, the General Assembly and the DOT and GPA boards.
This is another fine example of how Georgia's leadership works together to make economic development
possible."
The project calls for the design and construction of a new limited access, median barrier-separated, four-lane
highway between S.R. 307/Bourne Avenue and the Jimmy Deloach Parkway. The 3.1-mile roadway will be built
east of and roughly parallel to S.R. 21. It is scheduled to be completed in December, 2015. Construction will be by
Archer Western Contractors, LTD, of Atlanta, for $72,772,000."
Quote from: Grzrd on May 01, 2011, 04:34:29 PM
The Western Commercial Connector is a proposed 113 mile, $2 billion toll road that would bypass Atlanta to the west by leaving I-75 north of Cartersville (I-75 Exit # 285) and reconnecting to I-75 near Griffin (I-75 Exit # 198). It is proposed to be built entirely with private funds
Opposition to proposed Western Commercial Connector (a December 13, 2011 vote) ...
"Toll Road Development Authority Rescinded
The Paulding County Board of Commissioners voted today to approve Resolution 11-30, the purpose of which is to rescind prior Resolution 11-09 which created the Joint Development Authority for the Toll Road ..."
(http://pctollroad.blogspot.com/)
New triple left turn intersection in Alpharetta.
Be well,
Bryant
Quote from: Bryant5493 on December 25, 2011, 03:55:37 PM
New triple left turn intersection in Alpharetta.
Be well,
Bryant
I would like to see an 18-wheeler negotiate the center left turn lane in that video.
Quote from: codyg1985 on January 11, 2012, 07:14:20 AM
Quote from: Bryant5493 on December 25, 2011, 03:55:37 PM
New triple left turn intersection in Alpharetta.
Be well,
Bryant
I would like to see an 18-wheeler negotiate the center left turn lane in that video.
Indeed. It would be a tight turn, to say the least.
Be well,
Bryant
Here is the Freight Improvement Project Recommendations (http://www.dot.state.ga.us/informationcenter/programs/georgiafreight/logisticsplan/Documents/Plan/GAFreightLogistics-FinalReport-Task5.pdf) from the 2010-2050 Georgia Statewide Freight and Logistics Plan that was prepared by Cambridge Systematics for GDOT. I was interested in their studies of alternative bypasses: Chattanooga Bypass, Four-Laning US 27, Western Bypass, Northern Bypass, and a Macon-LaGrange Connector (map at Figure 2.4, page 2-12 of document; page 24/68 of pdf). I'm still poring through it, but thought I would go ahead and post.
The biggest hurdles in completing 27 north of LaGrange will be going up the mountain at Summerville and building the bridges over the lakes just north of Lagrange, the western bypass was part of that ill-conceived toll route notion that was just in the news, I would love the Macon-LaGrange connector as there is no good route currently.
Some Georgia lawmakers have filed a bill to require license plates, etc. for bicycles. With the next elections rapidly approaching, it will probably die, but in the meantime it is stirring up some strong emotions. This blogger suggests that cyclists should borrow a thing or two from the NRA:
http://www.ajc.com/weblogs/political-insider/2013/oct/04/licensing-bicycles-requires-red-state-reaction/
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The government can have my bicycle when it pries the handlebar from my cold, dead fingers. Because when bicycles are outlawed, only outlaws will have bicycles ....
House Bill 689, a Republican-sponsored measure that would slap a $15 licensing fee on every bicycle in Georgia that touches public asphalt.
The bill draws no distinction between a $3,000 carbon-fiber wonder and a $50 Wal-Mart special with training wheels. And no more passing that outgrown bike to the next kid in line — not without an official transfer of the 4" -by-7" license plate, approved by the government ....
H.B. 689 is the handiwork of three Gainesville lawmakers: Carl Rogers, Lee Hawkins, and Emory Dunahoo. It was quietly introduced last spring, and will receive its first — and very likely, last — public hearing on Monday in Hall County.
Cycling enthusiasts have eyed the legislation with sober concern. "There's a lot of interest in this, making sure it's not going anywhere," said Brent Buice, executive director of Georgia Bikes, an advocacy group ....
In addition to the license and fees, the bill would require cyclists to ride in groups no larger than four, in single file, with four feet of space separating each rider.
Oh, and communities would be able to bar cyclists from whatever roads they choose ....
The current end of the Sugarloaf parkway at GA-316 is covered by Google Streetview http://goo.gl/maps/uIlma
Quote from: Grzrd on December 02, 2011, 03:32:09 PM
GDOT awarded an approximate $73 million contract for the Jimmy Deloach Connector today:
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The Port of Savannah's long-anticipated "last mile" project - the Jimmy Deloach (Parkway)
Connector — moved closer to reality today as the Georgia Department of Transportation awarded a $73 million
contract for its construction ...
This article (http://savannahnow.com/exchange/2013-10-17/governor-breaks-ground-73-million-port-connector#.UmF1k77D-M9) reports that a groundbreaking ceremony was held on October 17 for the Jimmy DeLoach Parkway Connector:
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Gov. Nathan Deal – golden shovel in hand – led state and local leaders Thursday afternoon in kicking off construction of a key transportation infrastructure component for the Port of Savannah.
The much-anticipated Jimmy DeLoach Parkway Connector, a critical "˜Last Mile' project for the port, will directly link Interstate 95 and Georgia Ports Authority's Garden City Terminal, taking thousands of big trucks a day off busy westside roads ....
When Savannah's harbor deepening project is completed, Deal said, he expects even more truck traffic, as shipping companies employ larger container ships to move their cargo through an expanded Panama Canal.
"That's why this project is so important to us," he said. "Companies using those new, larger ships will need cost-effective and time-efficient methods of transporting goods to and from the port. Our state has worked hard to make sure they have exactly that ....
The $72.8 million, 3.1-mile DeLoach Connector will extend the current DeLoach Parkway to Ga. 307/Bourne Avenue near the port's main gate. Once completed, the estimated 8,000 trucks that visit the port each day will have a limited-access, four-lane route directly to and from I-95, effectively reducing traffic on busy Ga. 21/Augusta Highway ....
The DeLoach Connector will be built east of and roughly parallel to Ga. 21. It will include the construction of six new bridges, new interchanges at Grange Road and Pierce Avenue and some 25 acres of wetlands mitigation.
Work is scheduled to be completed in the summer of 2016, said Ann Purcell, the transportation board's member from the First Congressional District.
I wonder if it is destined to become an I-x95 one day?
Here is a map of the project (page 2/51 of pdf) (http://www.corempo.org/Documents/04JDCDraftConceptReport_10-2009_V3_201010220127.pdf):
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FtKJGwGf.png&hash=c88506aaa14da6c04df54d6033a349baf850ee0b)
Quote from: Grzrd on December 02, 2011, 03:32:09 PM
GDOT awarded an approximate $73 million contract for the Jimmy Deloach Connector today:
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The Port of Savannah's long-anticipated "last mile" project - the Jimmy Deloach (Parkway)
Connector — moved closer to reality today as the Georgia Department of Transportation awarded a $73 million
contract for its construction ...
Been awhile since I was last on that stretch of GA 21, but when I was it was choked with trucks. This project is a good one. Given that the other portion of Jimmy Deloach Parkway is a county-maintained roadway, is the extension also going to be?
Quote from: Grzrd on October 18, 2013, 02:10:51 PM
I wonder if it is destined to become an I-x95 one day?
I was thinking an eventual extension of I-516.
Quote from: Thing 342 on October 18, 2013, 05:28:00 PM
I was thinking an eventual extension of I-516.
It could also become an I-x16 extension from the current Bloomingdale Road/Exit 152 on I-16. In June, 2013, the Coastal Region MPO considered an amendment to its Long Range Transportation Plan (http://www.thempc.org/documents/Transportation/2035%20LRTP/2035%20Administrative%20Modification%20June%202013.pdf) that would add an interchange improvement for I-16/Jimmy DeLoach Parkway (I-16's Exit 152) (page 3/6 of pdf):
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FJ0xanr4.jpg&hash=3ca4a610e3c5ca5be2ca494c13b407aa518947cd)
The additional project would follow two other projects in the LRTP in the area from US 80 to I-16 (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Savannah,+GA&hl=en&ll=32.124599,-81.316681&spn=0.056552,0.077162&sll=33.767713,-84.420604&sspn=0.444087,0.617294&oq=savannah+ga&t=h&hnear=Savannah,+Chatham,+Georgia&z=14) of which ROW acquisition is included in the 2013-16 TIP (page 2/6 of pdf):
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Chatham County is developing two related projects in the Jimmy DeLoach area — construction of Jimmy DeLoach Parkway Phase II from I-16 to US 80 (PI# 522790) and construction of a new interchange at Jimmy DeLoach Parkway and US 80 (PI# 0007259). The right-of-way (ROW) phases for both projects are programmed in the CORE MPO's FY 2013 - 2016 Transportation Improvement Program (TIP). Design work for both projects is on-going and funding authorization for ROW acquisition is expected in the near future.
During the project development process, a question was raised by the Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) regarding logical termini of the Jimmy DeLoach Parkway Phase II project. FHWA will not review the Environmental Re-evaluation for the Phase II project until an interchange improvement project for Jimmy DeLoach Parkway @ I-16 is added to the CORE MPO's 2035 LRTP.
In order not to delay the ROW funding authorization for the Jimmy DeLoach Parkway Phase II project, Chatham County does not want to include the interchange improvement at I-16/Jimmy DeLoach Parkway as a part of the Phase II project. Instead, Chatham County agreed to add in the LRTP a project for improvements for the requested interchange at sometime in the future after the Phase II project is opened.
I have reviewed neither the 2013-16 TIP nor the LRTP to see if the projects include upgrading to and/or building the Jimmy DeLoach Parkway from I-95 to I-16 as a controlled access facility (too tired :sleep:). However, if the plans do contemplate a controlled access facility, and I-516 somehow connects to the new Connector, then "Georgia/South Carolina" I-520 may have a "Georgia Cousin 3di" in I-516 that would begin with an odd number, yet be a "loop" 3di.
Quote from: Alex on October 18, 2013, 03:14:22 PM
Given that the other portion of Jimmy Deloach Parkway is a county-maintained roadway, is the extension also going to be?
Interesting question and I asked GDOT in an email. Their answer:
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Thank you for contacting YOUR Georgia Department of Transportation. We received your inquiry concerning the Jimmy Deloach Connector. You are correct, the current Jimmy Deloach Parkway is mostly maintained by Chatham County. The Connector will be maintained by the State. However, only the new portion being constructed (from SR 307/Bourne Avenue to Sonny Dixon Interchange) will be maintained by the State. The portion already open to traffic will be maintained by the County, or in some instances, the City of Port Wentworth.
This article (http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/print-edition/2013/08/30/state-planning-atlanta-truck-bypass.html?page=all) reports that the latest plan for an outer western bypass of Atlanta passed an initial hurdle by being designated as one of Georgia's designated freight corridors:
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Georgia transportation planners want to reduce the number of trucks plying Atlanta highways, a major contributor to chronic traffic congestion, by building a bypass around the metro region.
A proposal to widen two state highways between Macon and LaGrange and four-lane U.S. 27 from LaGrange north to the Tennessee line would carve a giant L-shaped bypass around metro Atlanta.
Supporters say what is being tagged the Export-Import Highway will become critical after 2016, when the deepening of Savannah harbor grows the port's capacity, requiring more trucks to haul containerized cargo in and out of the port. Without an alternative route, the project's backers say, the $652 million harbor deepening would triple Atlanta's truck traffic ....
Prospects for the bypass took a major step forward Aug. 15 when the State Transportation Board voted to include the proposed route among the state's designated freight corridors. The designation will exempt the project from a state law requiring that federal transportation funds be divided equally among Georgia's 14 congressional districts ....
In fact, the proposed Macon-to-LaGrange corridor – coupled with completing the four-laning of U.S. 27 – compared favorably with a series of planned improvements to Georgia's interstate highway system in a cost-benefit study the DOT completed in 2010.
The study found the project would generate $18 for every dollar spent, a return on investment far exceeding plans to upgrade Interstate 85 between Atlanta and the South Carolina line, interstates 75 and 16 from Atlanta to Savannah, and interstates 85 and 20 between Atlanta and the Alabama line.
The Export-Import Highway/U.S. 27 project would cost $480 million, far less than the interstate improvements, while generating an estimated 2,738 jobs and increasing the gross state product by $11.3 billion, according to the study.
Supporters are urging the DOT to undertake a more specific study of the project, which would include nailing down a preferred alignment for the Macon-to-LaGrange highway and doing an environmental-impact analysis. The DOT is looking to create the bypass by widening Georgia 74 and Ga. 109 ....
Quote from: Grzrd on October 21, 2013, 01:41:38 PM
This article (http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/print-edition/2013/08/30/state-planning-atlanta-truck-bypass.html?page=all) reports that the latest plan for a western bypass of Atlanta passed an initial hurdle by being designated as one of Georgia's designated freight corridors...
Honestly that's so far out that it really doesn't count as an outer loop. Plus there's the whole matter of getting from I-16 to Ga. 74 in Macon. Unless this effort displays substantially more thought that GDOT has with GRIP to date (i.e. downgrading from a well-built modern rural expressway to a 35 mph 3-to-5-lane urban decay stripmall fiesta every time it gets near a population center*), it's going to be pretty much worthless.
* See e.g. Ga 96 in Butler, US 80 & Ga. 57 in east Macon, US 1 in Wrens, US 1 near I-520, US 441 in Milledgeville...
Quote from: Thing 342 on October 18, 2013, 05:28:00 PM
Quote from: Grzrd on October 18, 2013, 02:10:51 PM
I wonder if it is destined to become an I-x95 one day?
I was thinking an eventual extension of I-516.
Would GDOT tear down Garden City to do it, though? I'm thinking it will just stay whatever it is and never connect.
Quote from: Grzrd on October 18, 2013, 02:10:51 PM
I wonder if it is destined to become an I-x95 one day?
Quote from: Grzrd on October 21, 2013, 10:58:08 AM
I asked GDOT in an email. Their answer:
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Thank you for contacting YOUR Georgia Department of Transportation. We received your inquiry concerning the Jimmy Deloach Connector. You are correct, the current Jimmy Deloach Parkway is mostly maintained by Chatham County. The Connector will be maintained by the State. However, only the new portion being constructed (from SR 307/Bourne Avenue to Sonny Dixon Interchange) will be maintained by the State. The portion already open to traffic will be maintained by the County, or in some instances, the City of Port Wentworth.
I decided to send GDOT a followup email about the future possibiity of an I-x95 designation. There do not seem to be any current plans to do so, but the answer indicates that GDOT would at least entertain a request from the Port and the city/county to do so:
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The Port along with the city/county could certainly request that option be reviewed. For an interstate that would also have to involve the Federal Highway Administration for approval.
Existing Deloach Parkway is not a freeway...
Quote from: NE2 on October 22, 2013, 11:16:57 AM
Existing Deloach Parkway is not a freeway...
My question:
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Since Chatham County/Port Wentworth maintain the current section, does that rule out the possibility that the Jimmy Deloach Parkway from I-95 to the Port could one day be upgraded to interstate-grade and be designated as an I-x95?
Many freeways, in addition to expressways, are not interstate-grade...
OT, Hey Do You live in GA or Arkansas? Because I notice that you post a lot in threads/posts that regard both states? And BTW the GA D.O.T. was dumb not to widen GA 400 before removing the toll booths. GA 400 will be a total disaster from Cumming to its S. terminus near Brookhaven @ I-85
Quote from: Tomahawkin on October 22, 2013, 06:50:52 PM
OT, Hey Do You live in GA or Arkansas? Because I notice that you post a lot in threads/posts that regard both states
I do live in Atlanta, Georgia. My major interest in roadgeekery is in major road projects. I love a good story, and the evolution of a major project makes for a good story, particularly when there are moving parts in several different states. For the most part, the major interstate work in Georgia has been completed. I post a lot in Arkansas because it has I-49, I-69, Future I-555, and the Future I-30 extension, as well as an extremely interesting DOT in AHTD.
US 27 is pretty much all four lane anyways from LaGrange up to Tennessee. I assume they would be bypassing Lagrange with a new alignment and going up the mountain at Summerville are the last portions I know that need to be completed. I think the Summerville portion had at least preliminary engineering done by GDOT D6.
For the Lagrange gap, could be possible then they might built the US-27 Lagrange bypass down to the interchange of I-85 with I-185? http://goo.gl/maps/FsGWR
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on October 23, 2013, 04:36:09 PM
For the Lagrange gap, could be possible then they might built the US-27 Lagrange bypass down to the interchange of I-85 with I-185? http://goo.gl/maps/FsGWR
That's the plan, according to the GRIP factsheet. http://www.dot.ga.gov/Projects/programs/roadimprovement/GRIP/Documents/Facts/US27FactSheet.pdf
Seventies-era official state maps showed a US 27 bypass of
LaFayette Summerville starting at the pass and ending a bit north of Trion, roughly within the area of this view (http://goo.gl/maps/AbO5R).
EDIT: It's on that GRIP fact sheet (http://www.dot.ga.gov/Projects/programs/roadimprovement/GRIP/Documents/Facts/US27FactSheet.pdf), too:
QuoteThe Summerville Bypass extends east of Summerville (Project
ID No. 621082-) from north of CR 325 to CR 329/Silver Hill
Road. Environmental studies are underway. Right of way
funding is scheduled for FY 2015 and construction funding in
FY 2017.
A project has begun to build an interchange to eliminate the only traffic light on the Athens Perimeter. The signal has been moved to a new road, Trail Creek Street (https://maps.google.com/?ll=33.963313,-83.351877&spn=0.00557,0.009645&t=h&z=17), which I suppose will become the new ramps once the new overpass for Peters St/Olympic Dr. is opened. Or maybe they have something else in mind; Trail Creek Street looks very much like a street rather than a freeway ramp.
The East Hiram bypass opened up late this week, I've driven it once and was impressed by the lack of traffic. This will be good for Douglasville/South Paulding traffic that is wanting to goto Cobb but didn't want to take Bankhead.
Now the work will shift over to the west bypass and fully 4-laning it I suppose.
Wasn't today the projected opening date for the completed Harry S. Truman Parkway in Savannah?
Quote from: emory on February 28, 2014, 06:37:47 AM
Wasn't today the projected opening date for the completed Harry S. Truman Parkway in Savannah?
Just read that the ribbon-cutting is scheduled for 3:30.
Dedicated today, but not yet open to traffic
Drivers mixed on new Truman Pkwy extension (http://www.wtoc.com/story/24855621/drivers-mixed-on-new-truman-parkway-extension)
QuoteSAVANNAH, GA (WTOC) -
Phase 5 of the Truman Parkway was dedicated Friday, but it still not officially open.
When the Truman Parkway actually opens up, residents will have easier access from the south side to other parts of the city such as downtown and it will alleviate congestion on Abercorn Street.
Quote from: Alex on February 28, 2014, 08:49:09 PM
Dedicated today, but not yet open to traffic
Drivers mixed on new Truman Pkwy extension (http://www.wtoc.com/story/24855621/drivers-mixed-on-new-truman-parkway-extension)
QuoteSAVANNAH, GA (WTOC) -
Phase 5 of the Truman Parkway was dedicated Friday, but it still not officially open.
When the Truman Parkway actually opens up, residents will have easier access from the south side to other parts of the city such as downtown and it will alleviate congestion on Abercorn Street.
Phase V opened Friday according to media reports; I drove it today. Pretty unexciting for a freeway; the only real noteworthy things were the 55 mph speed limit throughout (no speed limit drop even as you come to the end of the mainline at a signal) and even the new guide signs being GDOT Series D specials despite GDOT switching to FHWA standard guide signage years ago; the latter shows you how dated the plans were.
Also saw what appears to be the start of work on the DeLoach Pkwy extension to SR 307 while I was in the general neighborhood.
A DDI interchange is being proposed for the Interstate 95/SR 21 interchange in Savannah. It would be the first one in the state outside of Atlanta.
http://wjcl.com/2014/06/09/new-interchange-proposed-for-i-95-highway-21/
Also the Interstate 75/Brighton road interchange in South GA will be upgraded.
http://www.walb.com/story/25692096/i-75brighton-road-interchange-to-be-made-safer
Gawd, this thread is dead! :banghead:
Just drove to my bud's house on 316, and they'll open the Collins Hill Road bridge tonight at midnight. Today Collins Hill is closed at the intersection with 316 as crews do whatever it is they're doing to prepare to shift traffic to the new bridge.
I also noticed that the new pavement on the 316 mainline east of GA 20 is asphalt, laid up to within topping thickness of the new concrete mainline lanes. I suppose they're using asphalt there in order to make demo easier when the freeway conversion continues at some future date (it was in the transportation SPLOST that failed last year).
To get to my bud's house I got off 316 at Fence Road (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.9863299,-83.9255389,1355m/data=!3m1!1e3). Traffic is quite heavy there, but there's no traffic light, and people (including my bud's wife) insist on turning left onto 316 there despite there being alternates routes that are not much longer and a whole lot less harrowing. Maybe accident experience there isn't as horrifying is I'd think it'd be, but IMO they really should at least ban left turns from Fence Road onto 316 and make people go to the next light and do a U turn. That or put up yet another traffic light. :no:
Again, work still appears to have stopped at the DDI at I-85 and Jimmy Carter. The plywood safety they put up on the southern bridge parapet looks as though it's starting to rot, and work was never started on the other side. I'd really like to know wassup with that. :hmmm:
Look up Georgia Route 500. If built, it would have connected I-75 near Cartersville with I-85 near Buford/the Mall of Georgia. So, it'd generally be about 25-30 miles outside of I-285. So it's kinda interesting to look at. It mirrors what Houston, Texas has done with their beltway system. They will have three: TX 99 (the farthest out), Beltway 8/Sam Houston Tollway (the defacto outer beltway) and I-610 (the most inner beltway). So, it's not like the idea has never been tried before, but it's a gray area for me. Would an extra beltway, one that encircles Atlanta farther out encourage more sprawl and what my professor used as "leapfrog development". In 30 years, will sprawl reach its limit where that beltway is and thus we need yet another one?
Yeah, everybody knows about the Outer Perimeter/Northern Arc. Fighting against it was the last gasp of my career as an activist.
Sometime in the '90's, the Atlanta Regional Commission did a study of many different alternatives: build the whole thing, or various segments. Long story short, the study found that the less of it we built, the better off we'd be. :-D It's a moot point, anyway-- we don't have the money for it anyway, and never really did.
Much of the right of way between GA 400 and GA 316 has long been acquired, and Gwinnett hopes to build its segment as an extension of Sugarloaf Parkway, presumably with no trucks allowed. But there's no funding for that, either. That said, the new bridge carrying GA 324 over I-85 is clearly designed to accommodate CD roads from Sugarloaf Parkway's prospective interchange, so it's more than a gleam in someone's eye.
So on our way down to a little Lineman Challenge / 7-on-7 game in Swainsboro, I noticed something.
We took I-16 until we reach the GA 57 interchange and we got on it. The first reassurance sign I saw was "North GA 57".
So we did about a 10 mile drive, then we past a small intersection, then I saw another reassurance sign. It said "West GA 57."
Do Cardinal Directions change normally like that?
I know it's a retarded question, I'm just wondering. :bigass:
Not a retarded question. With some Georgia routes, cardinal directions should change. Here's GA 20 just north of US 78 in Loganville (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.838484,-83.901858,3a,75y,80.71h,92.65t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1soNOSd02gt48mgVdxATz2vg!2e0), signed as west when it's actually going north. Then in downtown Mcdonough (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.446826,-84.146396,3a,20.7y,356.15h,95.48t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sPnikOORDsp13-zQsZyiX-w!2e0), where it's signed as east when going north. I suppose that somewhere between, it's signed north-south, but I'm too lazy to look it up.
There were workers and machines at the Jimmy Carter-I-85 DDI site yesterday, including some working on the bridge parapet.
QuoteWith some Georgia routes, cardinal directions should change.
Oh. So it's normal for cardinal directions to change? I just never saw that kind of cardinal change before.
Quote from: Tom958 on June 27, 2014, 05:48:38 AM
I suppose that somewhere between, [GA 20 is] signed north-south, but I'm too lazy to look it up.
Roughly from the Henry/Newton county line to around I-85, with a couple anomalies such as your Loganville example and this sign on the south side of Conyers (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.617745,-84.014497,3a,75y,1.55h,85.07t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sZwRv7j0sFDxdWEmTniNKRw!2e0!5m1!1e1), where there is a single "WEST" banner while traveling due north on an otherwise north/south-signed segment.
Despite my laziness, I did try to find some north-south signage on GA 20. I looked in McDonough and east of Conyers, where GA 20 turns at intersections, and didn't find any signs at all. :ded:
Back to the original subtopic: the real issue here, such as is is, is why Georgia stuck with one number instead of using three. Had I been king at the time, I would've considered replacing GA 20 with three numbers, each with its own consistent cardinal direction, when I-20 was introduced.
Looking back through the old GDOT maps, it looks like this is how that all went down...
1920: Most of current SR 20 was not yet a state highway. It existed as SR 4 from the Alabama line to Cartersville (thus fitting nicely in the original grid between 2 and 6), SR 13 from Buford to Lawrenceville, and SR 45 from Lawrenceville to Loganville. (45 continued east from here toward Monroe.)
The original SR 20 ran from Gray to Milledgeville to Sparta along current SR 22. Again, this fit into the original grid between 16 and 24.
1921: The segment of current SR 20 from Cumming to Buford also appeared on the 1920 map with no number; the 1921 map shows this as SR 68. Lawrenceville to Loganville is renumbered as an extension of SR 13, with 45 now instead continuing west from Loganville along today's US 78.
The original SR 20, meanwhile, had been fully renumbered as an extension of 22. The number 20 reappeared farther east from Louisville to Waynesboro as a renumbering of former 24 due to 24 being rerouted farther north toward Augusta via Wrens.
1926: No changes, apart from the introduction of US highways. Specifically US 270, which may have existed on the Buford-Lawrenceville segment along with SR 13 at the time. I can't quite tell, but I'm assuming it wouldn't have ended at Buford when it could have continued to Lawrenceville to meet US 29.
1929: Here we see, for some reason, a sort of three-way swap:
Louisville to Waynesboro - renumbered from 20 back to 24
Rome to Cartersville - renumbered from 4 to 20 (east of Rome, also gained US 41W designation)
Wrens to Augusta (along US 1) - renumbered from 24 to 4
I'm not really sure why this happened, apart from somebody at the State Highway Department being bored. Also somewhere in this timeframe US 270 south of Gainesville was renumbered to US 23.
Jan. 1932: SR 20 extended east to Canton along present-day US 411 and SR 140.
Nov. 1932: SR 20 extended east to Cumming, where it then also took over former SR 68 between Cumming and Buford. SR 13 was truncated to Buford and then sent southwest on a new alignment to Buckhead; SR 20 took over the former 13 to Loganville (including US 23 to Lawrenceville). Were it to end in Loganville, this would still make a reasonably coherent east-west route, but instead the route would continue southwest on a new alignment to Conyers (yes, all of this in 1932).
Oct. 1934: Extended to McDonough.
July 1939: US 23 removed from Buford-Lawrenceville segment, routed down SR 13 to Atlanta instead.
Jan. 1941: Modern alignment between Cartersville and Canton opened as SR 113.
1943: SR 20 moved onto former SR 113 between Cartersville and Canton; the old route from Rydal to Canton became an extension of 140.
1960: Extended to Hampton.
So I guess the point of all that was...why didn't they just pick a different number for the new highway south from Loganville in 1932? Loganville to Hampton would make a perfectly fine north-south route.
That was very interesting. I had no idea that Georgia route numbers had been changed so radically. Thanks!
Quote from: Eth on June 29, 2014, 08:46:21 AMSo I guess the point of all that was...why didn't they just pick a different number for the new highway south from Loganville in 1932? Loganville to Hampton would make a perfectly fine north-south route.
Exactly. Not to mention another number from Hampton to McDonough. Or: GA 81 from Hampton to Loganville replacing GA 20, GA 36 from Covington to Loganville replacing GA 81, and a different number altogether for GA 81 from Lovejoy to Covington. GA 81 isn't quite as crazy as GA 20, but it's in the ballpark.
Sometimes history
doesn't provide the answers.
Tangential to the subtopic: I suppose that GA 20 from Rome to Cartersville followed what is now GA 293, the old road from Marietta to Rome.
Quote from: Tom958 on June 29, 2014, 12:15:35 PM
Tangential to the subtopic: I suppose that GA 20 from Rome to Cartersville followed what is now GA 293, the old road from Marietta to Rome.
Yep. Sometime between 1961 and 1963, US 411 was moved onto the new four-lane alignment, leaving SR 20 behind on the old road. The new road is shown on the 1963 map as US 411 and SR 344, and it remains this way for about 15 years. The 1979 map is the first to show SR 20 moved onto the new US 411 alignment and SR 293 on the old road.
Quote from: Tom958Or: GA 81 from Hampton to Loganville replacing GA 20, GA 36 from Covington to Loganville replacing GA 81, and a different number altogether for GA 81 from Lovejoy to Covington. GA 81 isn't quite as crazy as GA 20, but it's in the ballpark.
81 from Covington to Lovejoy could be an extension of 142, assuming 36 swallows current 142 north of US 278. Current 81 between 142 and US 278 could be 36 CONN or something.
Quote from: Tom958 on June 21, 2014, 12:25:46 PM
Gawd, this thread is dead! :banghead:
Just drove to my bud's house on 316, and they'll open the Collins Hill Road bridge tonight at midnight. Today Collins Hill is closed at the intersection with 316 as crews do whatever it is they're doing to prepare to shift traffic to the new bridge.
I also noticed that the new pavement on the 316 mainline east of GA 20 is asphalt, laid up to within topping thickness of the new concrete mainline lanes. I suppose they're using asphalt there in order to make demo easier when the freeway conversion continues at some future date (it was in the transportation SPLOST that failed last year).
To get to my bud's house I got off 316 at Fence Road (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.9863299,-83.9255389,1355m/data=!3m1!1e3). Traffic is quite heavy there, but there's no traffic light, and people (including my bud's wife) insist on turning left onto 316 there despite there being alternates routes that are not much longer and a whole lot less harrowing. Maybe accident experience there isn't as horrifying is I'd think it'd be, but IMO they really should at least ban left turns from Fence Road onto 316 and make people go to the next light and do a U turn. That or put up yet another traffic light. :no:
Again, work still appears to have stopped at the DDI at I-85 and Jimmy Carter. The plywood safety they put up on the southern bridge parapet looks as though it's starting to rot, and work was never started on the other side. I'd really like to know wassup with that. :hmmm:
I drove by there yesterday (on I-85) going down to Decatur from L'ville and I was like "what are they doing here??". I noticed that they improved the bridge at Pleasant Hill Road (which by the way looks great), so I'm wondering now what's the holdup.
I'm looking forward to the SR 20/124 316 interchange being finished for good. They said earlier that the Collins Hill Road Bridge was supposed to be completed by December 31st, 2014. It's June 30th. Maybe they can have the Jimmy Carter Blvd. DDI finished faster than the anticipated date too? :hmmm:
Quote from: ElPanaChevere on June 30, 2014, 03:26:04 AMMaybe they can have the Jimmy Carter Blvd. DDI finished faster than the anticipated date too? :hmmm:
I dunno... the site was pretty dead for weeks. I suspect that there are unforeseen structural issues with that bridge. But we'll see.
Oh: welcome to the forums!
Quote from: Tom958 on June 30, 2014, 08:00:45 PM
Quote from: ElPanaChevere on June 30, 2014, 03:26:04 AMMaybe they can have the Jimmy Carter Blvd. DDI finished faster than the anticipated date too? :hmmm:
I dunno... the site was pretty dead for weeks. I suspect that there are unforeseen structural issues with that bridge. But we'll see.
Oh: welcome to the forums!
Why thank you! :). Anyway, Georgia has always had this
great idea of doing road work/projects during the daytime. I saw it somewhere else in the forums here, but why not at night too? When no one is on the road and coming home from the city? :confused: I suspect that it's going to be done really soon. I mean, they completed the Ashford-Dunwoody whachamacallit on I-285 exit 29.
Quote from: Tom958 on June 22, 2014, 09:12:15 AM
Yeah, everybody knows about the Outer Perimeter/Northern Arc. Fighting against it was the last gasp of my career as an activist.
Sometime in the '90's, the Atlanta Regional Commission did a study of many different alternatives: build the whole thing, or various segments. Long story short, the study found that the less of it we built, the better off we'd be. :-D It's a moot point, anyway-- we don't have the money for it anyway, and never really did.
Much of the right of way between GA 400 and GA 316 has long been acquired, and Gwinnett hopes to build its segment as an extension of Sugarloaf Parkway, presumably with no trucks allowed. But there's no funding for that, either. That said, the new bridge carrying GA 324 over I-85 is clearly designed to accommodate CD roads from Sugarloaf Parkway's prospective interchange, so it's more than a gleam in someone's eye.
Here's 324 crossing I-85, headed northbound. The bridge is so huge that I shot only half of it-- it extends so far beyond the treeline at the edge of existing I-85 that I'd need a panorama to show the whole thing. There's an enormous single span of the entirety of existing I-85, plus huge reservations for CD roads on both sides.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FM9Uk26p.jpg&hash=e3c4ef8c8ca9a0fdc25e68f6cea266e83ac78ead)
For the mildly bored, here's some dashcam video of a couple of new roundabouts in Warner Robins near Robins AFB on Martin Luther King Blvd, here (http://osm.org/go/ZHSUi_8qh-). A couple of others are currently under construction on the state highway system in the area (one on 247 Conn west of I-75, another on 74 NW of Macon), with a few more proposed; however, these ones are city jobs.
http://youtu.be/iJ3AB-47Lzs
Today I posted some photos I took on Saturday (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=13054.0) on my way to St George Island (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Grayson,+GA/St+George+Island/@31.7621076,-86.5662456,7z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x88f5b8ea85ee1057:0xc3c976fa4d378c5a!2m2!1d-83.95574!2d33.8942729!1m5!1m1!1s0x88eb35ba00db3e07:0x31856e) for vacation. I might take and post some more on the way back up, though the roads aren't especially photogenic, to put it mildly.
It used to be that Google routed that trip via I-75 and US 319 (US 319 is interesting as hell to me, BTW), but now I-85/185-US 27-FL 65 is the favored route, likely because almost all of US 27 in Georgia has been four laned. It's a lot quicker that the other way, but it's so-o-o-o-o boring. Per current GDOT practice, the two roadways are always exactly alike, the median is exactly 44 feet, no deviation allowed. Traffic is sparse, and so are services. There's a c-store at Cusseta, another plus a Huddle House at Cuthbert, and nothing else until Colquitt. OK, I suppose there's something at Blakely, but not on US 27.
At Cuthbert, apparently there was a series of horrific crashes at US 27 and US 82. A few years ago there were billboards warning motorists to be careful-- now, US 27 has been striped down to one lane in each direction through the intersection. I don't see any obvious reason why that should've been a high accident location-- I suppose it was just bad luck. But memories are long, and a thousand feet of single lane roadway isn't much of an inconvenience.
Actually, and embarrassingly, I didn't notice until this morning that the route I googled isn't the route I took. Google's route uses county roads and bypasses Quincy FL altogether instead of sticking to state highways as I did. It may be that the time savings over I-75-US 319 is due entirely to that. Now I'm not sure which way I'll take on the way home, or what I'll tell my family to do on their way down today and tomorrow.
I would recommend the 319 route mainly for the services on that last stretch of drive from Tifton through to Tallahassee and the plantations south of Thomasville. I think there is some time savings to be had going that way also. Google always sent me the 319 route from the western suburbs when i drive to Tallahassee.
Quote from: Tom958 on July 28, 2014, 10:53:22 AM
It used to be that Google routed that trip via I-75 and US 319 (US 319 is interesting as hell to me, BTW), but now I-85/185-US 27-FL 65 is the favored route, likely because almost all of US 27 in Georgia has been four laned. It's a lot quicker that the other way, but it's so-o-o-o-o boring. Per current GDOT practice, the two roadways are always exactly alike, the median is exactly 44 feet, no deviation allowed. Traffic is sparse, and so are services. There's a c-store at Cusseta, another plus a Huddle House at Cuthbert, and nothing else until Colquitt. OK, I suppose there's something at Blakely, but not on US 27.
Yep, that sounds about right. Went to visit family in the Panhandle for Christmas last year (or was it 2012? I forget) - normally that's the standard Atlanta-to-Panama City route, I-85 to I-185 to US 80 to US 431 to US 231, but I decided to try out US 27 to GA 91 instead. Certainly got the job done, as there somehow managed to be no traffic whatsoever on what I would've thought to have been a heavy holiday travel day, but yeah, pretty much the only remotely interesting thing on the route was the still-ongoing construction on one segment (either south of Cuthbert or south of Blakely, I can't recall which). Not really sure traffic even warranted the four-laning, to be quite honest.
Quote from: Eth on July 28, 2014, 06:47:21 PM
Quote from: Tom958 on July 28, 2014, 10:53:22 AM
It used to be that Google routed that trip via I-75 and US 319 (US 319 is interesting as hell to me, BTW), but now I-85/185-US 27-FL 65 is the favored route, likely because almost all of US 27 in Georgia has been four laned. It's a lot quicker that the other way, but it's so-o-o-o-o boring. Per current GDOT practice, the two roadways are always exactly alike, the median is exactly 44 feet, no deviation allowed. Traffic is sparse, and so are services. There's a c-store at Cusseta, another plus a Huddle House at Cuthbert, and nothing else until Colquitt. OK, I suppose there's something at Blakely, but not on US 27.
Yep, that sounds about right. Went to visit family in the Panhandle for Christmas last year (or was it 2012? I forget) - normally that's the standard Atlanta-to-Panama City route, I-85 to I-185 to US 80 to US 431 to US 231, but I decided to try out US 27 to GA 91 instead. Certainly got the job done, as there somehow managed to be no traffic whatsoever on what I would've thought to have been a heavy holiday travel day, but yeah, pretty much the only remotely interesting thing on the route was the still-ongoing construction on one segment (either south of Cuthbert or south of Blakely, I can't recall which). Not really sure traffic even warranted the four-laning, to be quite honest.
Traffic doesn't warrant it, it just happens to be a GRIP corridor(if that terminology is even still used), so it will be 4-laned.
I think that work zone is south of Cuthbert as the only notable thing i found about the Blakely area was the college cafeteria; that is where GDOT personnel pointed me for lunch, such are the slim pickings that you are dealing with in that area.
One other interesting thing in that part of Georgia is the Bainbridge Bypass, which was built as full freeway, though to the very low design standards of the late '50's-early '60's. The interchanges are very closely spaced, too. It'd be a problem if traffic volumes weren't as low as they are.
To me, it's a mystery of history why that bypass was built as a freeway while those of Thomasville and Camilla, of about the same vintage, weren't.
Double post! It's well before 5am and I feel like writing. :wave:
i ended up returning to the ATL by way of 319 through Tallahassee and Tifton, thereby reminding myself why I-75 in Henry County is on my avoid unless absolutely necessary list, especially northbound. This time the slog actually started in Butts County and continued until after Eagles Landing Parkway and the recently-added auxiliary lanes from there to I-675. How bad was it? It was worse than my 6:45am and 4:45pm forays onto I-85 from 316 to 285 yesterday (though, admittedly, it was a good day on 85 for a Monday), and twice as long. Not good for fourish on Saturday afternoon. And while I've not had the same problem myself southbound, on Saturday southbound 75 in Henry County looked even worse than northbound.
There's a project slated to build a reversible two lane toll roadway there, but, gee, I dunno. I don't like the idea of feeding the gaping maw of Atlanta's sprawl monster with more asphalt, but off-peak congestion of that magnitude is a state and even a national level problem that a reversible facility won't fully address. The obvious solution of ten laning the whole damn thing suggests itself, especially since the extra width would make it easier to correct any issues with the original pavement (long ago buried under asphalt) and subgrade.
Also in Henry County, construction continues on the replacement bridge at Jodeco Road, which would leave only the southernmost two legacy interchange bridges between Forsyth and Atlanta. The spans over the 75 mainline look longer than usual, plus there are bays between the end bents and the abutments for CD roads. It looks as though they're going for a four loop design with CDs or perhaps a two-loop parclo like the one at Mt Zion, but I don't see any preparation for building loop ramps, and the terminal of the northbound offramp to Jodeco appears to have been widened recently.
Further south, the replacement of the original early '60's concrete pavement (but not the fifth and sixth lanes added in the '90's!) on I-75 between Cordele and Perry continues. All traffic is now on the northbound roadway, and the onramp merging lanes are so short as to essentially be nonexistent. IMO, a case could be made for closing said onramps and detouring the traffic to US 41 until beyond the construction zone. I don't recall seeing this detour scheme before: I think the sequence goes:
1. Remove the left asphalt shoulder in one direction and replace it with a new concrete shoulder plus an asphalt shoulder extension about five or six feet wide. If there's a guardrail in the way of the shoulder extension, tear it out and build a new one on the other side (this part of I-75 is straight enough to do that, because there's little difference in elevation between the two roadways. That's not usually the case).
2. Divert traffic on that roadway to the left lane and new shoulders, then remove and replace the two right lanes and shoulder.
3. Move all traffic onto the completed roadway and rebuild the other side.
Until the project is completed, there are only four lanes, not six. But once it's done, I-75 and I-475 from Wildwood to Chattanooga will once again be the nation's longest stretch of freeway with six or more lanes (if you dismiss the chokedown at the northern end of I-475 as being there for operational reasons and therefore not counting as four lanes).
But everyone here already knows that. :biggrin:
I also uploaded a bunch of photos for a feature about US 319 between Tallahassee and Tifton. Hopefully I'll get around to posting it before too long.
Quote from: Tom958 on August 05, 2014, 05:44:25 AMThere's a project slated to build a reversible two lane toll roadway there, but, gee, I dunno. I don't like the idea of feeding the gaping maw of Atlanta's sprawl monster with more asphalt, but off-peak congestion of that magnitude is a state and even a national level problem that a reversible facility won't fully address. The obvious solution of ten laning the whole damn thing suggests itself, especially since the extra width would make it easier to correct any issues with the original pavement (long ago buried under asphalt) and subgrade.
Also in Henry County, construction continues on the replacement bridge at Jodeco Road, which would leave only the southernmost two legacy interchange bridges between Forsyth and Atlanta. The spans over the 75 mainline look longer than usual, plus there are bays between the end bents and the abutments for CD roads. It looks as though they're going for a four loop design with CDs or perhaps a two-loop parclo like the one at Mt Zion, but I don't see any preparation for building loop ramps, and the terminal of the northbound offramp to Jodeco appears to have been widened recently.
In the case of Jodeco, GDOT is surely building the new overpass to both accommodate the tolled reversible roadway (which is planned to start construction this fall) and either future widening or the Atlanta-Macon-Jax HSR line. As far as the ramp design goes, it's planned as just a really wide diamond; pull up the info at http://www.dot.ga.gov/Projects/Pages/PublicOutreach.aspx.
Once the mess at Jodeco is done, I think I-75 in this area will operate a lot more smoothly for a while, although I can certainly see a case for adding auxiliary lanes between interchanges down to the 155 interchange given the relatively close spacing of the interchanges through here.
Long-term this is one of the few areas on the Interstate system (from I-675 to I-475) where a substantial share of the traffic is non-local from end-to-end, which suggests some justification for a full express-local setup.
Quote from: lordsutch on August 05, 2014, 10:18:29 AMIn the case of Jodeco, GDOT is surely building the new overpass to both accommodate the tolled reversible roadway (which is planned to start construction this fall) and either future widening or the Atlanta-Macon-Jax HSR line. As far as the ramp design goes, it's planned as just a really wide diamond; pull up the info at http://www.dot.ga.gov/Projects/Pages/PublicOutreach.aspx.
To my own amazement, I actually read the Project Concept Report (https://gtas.dot.ga.gov/0009156/Concept%20Reports/0009156_CR_MAY2013.pdf). Well, most of it. And way down in the evaluation of VE proposals (item A-7, to be specific), I found this:
Quote... The current design will accommodate the Managed Lanes Systems Plan's ultimate buildout of a non-reversible lane system.
So that's why the Jodeco Road bridge is symmetrical about the centerline of I-75 like all the others. Still doesn't explain the CD pockets, though. Oh, well, it won't be the first time that GDOT has built provision for CD's without any reasonable prospect of ever using them (see I-285 at Memorial Drive (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.778521,-84.241984,3a,75y,152h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s4yZTGWpTz9Zm7fqyBUfbBQ!2e0)).
QuoteOnce the mess at Jodeco is done, I think I-75 in this area will operate a lot more smoothly for a while, although I can certainly see a case for adding auxiliary lanes between interchanges down to the 155 interchange given the relatively close spacing of the interchanges through here.
I don't. It sucks now, and will only suck harder in years to come. The Project Concept Report I read didn't even mention off-peak congestion, which, unless I have an uncanny knack for showing there up only when traffic is horrible, is already a serious problem.
I already said that the backup I experienced Saturday started way down in Butts County. And it's not the first time, though I've never seen it start quite so far south before. Southbound, the slog didn't abate until Locust Grove, well past the project terminus.
QuoteLong-term this is one of the few areas on the Interstate system (from I-675 to I-475) where a substantial share of the traffic is non-local from end-to-end, which suggests some justification for a full express-local setup.
We'll see, I guess. There's always the Managed Lanes Systems Plan. :clap:
Quote from: Tom958 on August 05, 2014, 09:36:07 PM
I don't. It sucks now, and will only suck harder in years to come. The Project Concept Report I read didn't even mention off-peak congestion, which, unless I have an uncanny knack for showing there up only when traffic is horrible, is already a serious problem.
Yeah, I don't know what the solution to the off-peak issues is exactly, although usually the underlying problem is a wreck or aggressive drug interdiction/revenue enhancement causing everyone to rubberneck or decide to slow down to 65 or less (the tourists don't realize that they can't even get ticketed in Georgia except by GSP unless they're more than 10 over, and GSP doesn't bother usually either). Extending the managed lanes to Forsyth wouldn't be that expensive, really, once they get past 155 (very wide overpass already at GA 16), but if you do that you're going to need bidirectional local access too which may just push things back in the crapper. I don't think a fourth lane alone will fix much in the rural part of the corridor; maybe express-local would, and with Peach Pass interoperability allegedly coming by the end of 2014 there might be a market for a rural express-local setup if they could do it cheaply. If they can ever get people to stop whining about tolls in Georgia that is.
Long-term you might have to revive the original idea for I-75 as a parallel route; the legend around these parts that I've seen once or twice is that I-75 was originally supposed to follow the 41/341 corridor to Perry and bypass Macon, although I can't see any evidence for this in froggie's scans of the Yellow Book or its predecessors except maybe the 1938 toll road plan (which is so vague, it's a straight line). Certainly the kink in I-75 south of Atlanta (where I-75 parts ways with US 41 and decides to mostly hang out with US 23 for a while instead) suggests that someone originally wanted to go more south than southeast and then changed their mind, although the maps suggest that Macon was on the route continuously from 1939 forward.
Just returned from my second trip to Georgia where I will begin my new job after Labor Day. I had the inclination to enjoy many quiet state highways in middle Georgia from Macon to Milledgeville, the antebellum capital, up to the eastern, northern and southern suburbs of Atlanta. It was quite a ride. I had not traveled to Atlanta since June 2002. Lots of very wide freeways, dense urban landscapes, big buildings, massive Interstate 75 traffic back-ups on a Saturday afternoon, all the way to quiet rural drives in the Oconee National Forest and of course, a good sampling of metro Atlanta's massive suburban sprawl that contains nearly half of the entire State's population.
It looks like I am going to have plenty of new places to explore after I move my two sports cars for the final ten years of working before I completely retire. :wave:
So I've heard that Georgia is suffering from the depletion of the federal highway trust fund, and aside from the interchange on GA 316 and the interchange on the Athens Perimeter, I can't think of any other major projects going on in Georgia right now. Does anybody have an idea how many (if any) other projects are going on in Georgia right now? Construction does seem kind of slow this year, now that I think about it.
Quote from: xcellntbuy on August 06, 2014, 12:12:22 AMIt looks like I am going to have plenty of new places to explore after I move my two sports cars for the final ten years of working before I completely retire. :wave:
Welcome to our fair (to middling) city and state. You'll know you've been in Atlanta too long when eight lane freeways start to look dinky. :D
Quote from: LordsutchYeah, I don't know what the solution to the off-peak issues is exactly, although usually the underlying problem is a wreck or aggressive drug interdiction/revenue enhancement causing everyone to rubberneck or decide to slow down to 65 or less (the tourists don't realize that they can't even get ticketed in Georgia except by GSP unless they're more than 10 over, and GSP doesn't bother usually either).
I dunno about that, either. In my limited experience, I don't see any obvious reason for the backups, and if a backup occurs due to an incident, flow tends to recover downstream, which is not what I've observed. I think it's more what the WSB Skycopter calls "volume slowing."
QuoteExtending the managed lanes to Forsyth wouldn't be that expensive, really, once they get past 155 (very wide overpass already at GA 16), but if you do that you're going to need bidirectional local access too which may just push things back in the crapper. I don't think a fourth lane alone will fix much in the rural part of the corridor; maybe express-local would, and with Peach Pass interoperability allegedly coming by the end of 2014 there might be a market for a rural express-local setup if they could do it cheaply. If they can ever get people to stop whining about tolls in Georgia that is.
Well, if the decision is made to add capacity, it would be cheaper and more straightforward to forego the whole express/local thing. OTOH, that would leave the facility vulnerable to peak hour congestion, which segregated toll lanes could bypass.
Keep in mind, too, that the Feds have to be down with whatever GDOT decides to do, and there are competing priorities in regard to national policy. Atlanta isn't out of the woods on air quality conformity, and there's freight movement to consider, too. It's not an easy question.
To me, the most sensible solution would be to extend the managed lanes, eventually in both directions, to the Henry-Butts county line, then eight lane to Forsyth and eventually to I-475.
QuoteLong-term you might have to revive the original idea for I-75 as a parallel route; the legend around these parts that I've seen once or twice is that I-75 was originally supposed to follow the 41/341 corridor to Perry and bypass Macon, although I can't see any evidence for this in froggie's scans of the Yellow Book or its predecessors except maybe the 1938 toll road plan (which is so vague, it's a straight line). Certainly the kink in I-75 south of Atlanta (where I-75 parts ways with US 41 and decides to mostly hang out with US 23 for a while instead) suggests that someone originally wanted to go more south than southeast and then changed their mind, although the maps suggest that Macon was on the route continuously from 1939 forward.
It's not hard to understand why things played out the way they did. The old routes for US 41 both north and south of Atlanta had issues beyond capacity and weren't amenable to widening, which is presumably why they were replaced with four lane new terrain highways in the early '50's. My lost, lamented copy of the 1962 Rand McNally showed the highway from Griffin to Atlanta as freeway green with no interchanges and an I-75 shield, with the proposed I-75 route hugging US 41 to the then-already-completed I-75 at Forsyth (where was the temporary southern end of that, anyway?). It may have been intended to convert 41 to a freeway, but at some point it was realized that building the current I-75 would be not only better, but likely cheaper as well.
Quote from: xcellntbuy on August 06, 2014, 12:12:22 AM
Just returned from my second trip to Georgia where I will begin my new job after Labor Day.
Most of the roads you'll enjoy in your Corvette will be around the northern quarter of the state. :nod:
Quote from: Gnutella on August 06, 2014, 04:45:26 AM
So I've heard that Georgia is suffering from the depletion of the federal highway trust fund, and aside from the interchange on GA 316 and the interchange on the Athens Perimeter, I can't think of any other major projects going on in Georgia right now. Does anybody have an idea how many (if any) other projects are going on in Georgia right now? Construction does seem kind of slow this year, now that I think about it.
Not a lot of huge projects are going on now, although there is the final-for-now section of the Fall Line Freeway from US 441 to Sandersville and the GA 96 four-laning in Houston and Peach counties (partially on new location, with an interchange at US 129) in my general neck of the woods. The Sardis Church extension in south Bibb County (four lane on new location between I-75 and US 129, including interchanges at US 41 and US 129) should be kicking off soon since it's in the STIP for FY15. Closer to Atlanta, the I-75 managed lanes project from GA 138 to GA 155 is supposed to start work soon as well.
Construction is likely slow because of the failed T-SPLOSTs in addition to the tight highway money; big projects that would have started if the T-SPLOSTs had passed (like the I-16/I-75 interchange in Macon) got pushed back in favor of relative small-ball work like roundabouts and signal projects, after already being pushed back to make the T-SPLOSTs more attractive to voters. In the areas where T-SPLOSTs passed, though, some decent-sized projects are already well underway (the US 23 north Eastman bypass, for example).
Quote from: formulanone on August 06, 2014, 08:55:52 AM
Quote from: xcellntbuy on August 06, 2014, 12:12:22 AM
Just returned from my second trip to Georgia where I will begin my new job after Labor Day.
Most of the roads you'll enjoy in your Corvette will be around the northern quarter of the state. :nod:
I certainly hope so. I will be moving to the antebellum capital of Milledgeville, a stark change from Coral Springs, FL where I have lived nearly 17 years. My Corvette is currently being serviced after sitting since February 2009. When the Corvette is finished, my 30-year old Firebird will also be serviced. It has sat for a decade.
Quote from: Tom958 on August 06, 2014, 05:14:04 AM
QuoteLong-term you might have to revive the original idea for I-75 as a parallel route; the legend around these parts that I've seen once or twice is that I-75 was originally supposed to follow the 41/341 corridor to Perry and bypass Macon, although I can't see any evidence for this in froggie's scans of the Yellow Book or its predecessors except maybe the 1938 toll road plan (which is so vague, it's a straight line). Certainly the kink in I-75 south of Atlanta (where I-75 parts ways with US 41 and decides to mostly hang out with US 23 for a while instead) suggests that someone originally wanted to go more south than southeast and then changed their mind, although the maps suggest that Macon was on the route continuously from 1939 forward.
It's not hard to understand why things played out the way they did. The old routes for US 41 both north and south of Atlanta had issues beyond capacity and weren't amenable to widening, which is presumably why they were replaced with four lane new terrain highways in the early '50's. My lost, lamented copy of the 1962 Rand McNally showed the highway from Griffin to Atlanta as freeway green with no interchanges and an I-75 shield, with the proposed I-75 route hugging US 41 to the then-already-completed I-75 at Forsyth (where was the temporary southern end of that, anyway?). It may have been intended to convert 41 to a freeway, but at some point it was realized that building the current I-75 would be not only better, but likely cheaper as well.
Looking at the old GDOT maps, it looks something like this...
1961:
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Notice the GA 401 shield on US 19/41 near Jonesboro. It certainly would seem at this time that they were planning to run I-75 right along there (maybe even upgrading in place - this new four-lane alignment was only a few years old). The segment of I-75 around Forsyth had its north end at US 23, but with no shown proposed extension from there, so it's hard to say. The southern end appears to be at what was then the GA 18/GA 148 intersection. I-75 would ultimately pretty much take over the routing of GA 148 down to Bolingbroke, just past the I-475 split.
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A little murkier here - that GA 401 shield on US 19/41 has now been changed to GA 333. Is this an indication that somewhere in these two years the decision was made to put I-75 on the more eastern route? Still no proposed route shown north of Forsyth.
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Looks to all be resolved by this point.
Quote from: lordsutch on August 06, 2014, 10:56:35 AM
Quote from: Gnutella on August 06, 2014, 04:45:26 AM
So I've heard that Georgia is suffering from the depletion of the federal highway trust fund, and aside from the interchange on GA 316 and the interchange on the Athens Perimeter, I can't think of any other major projects going on in Georgia right now. Does anybody have an idea how many (if any) other projects are going on in Georgia right now? Construction does seem kind of slow this year, now that I think about it.
Not a lot of huge projects are going on now, although there is the final-for-now section of the Fall Line Freeway from US 441 to Sandersville and the GA 96 four-laning in Houston and Peach counties (partially on new location, with an interchange at US 129) in my general neck of the woods. The Sardis Church extension in south Bibb County (four lane on new location between I-75 and US 129, including interchanges at US 41 and US 129) should be kicking off soon since it's in the STIP for FY15. Closer to Atlanta, the I-75 managed lanes project from GA 138 to GA 155 is supposed to start work soon as well.
Construction is likely slow because of the failed T-SPLOSTs in addition to the tight highway money; big projects that would have started if the T-SPLOSTs had passed (like the I-16/I-75 interchange in Macon) got pushed back in favor of relative small-ball work like roundabouts and signal projects, after already being pushed back to make the T-SPLOSTs more attractive to voters. In the areas where T-SPLOSTs passed, though, some decent-sized projects are already well underway (the US 23 north Eastman bypass, for example).
One project going on near Dalton, GA, where I live, is that they're making a new exit on I-75 near Calhoun; Union Grove Church Rd., a current overpass south of Calhoun.
Quote from: Eth on August 06, 2014, 10:43:59 PM
Looks to all be resolved by this point.
And it looks like Griffin and Barnesville got the new US 41 alignment as a consolation prize (which might partially explain why the Griffin bypass was built to freeway standards and the Barnesville bypass has GDOT's freeway restrictions posted on the on-ramp at the half-interchange at Zebulon Street - they worked from the plans for I-75 in that area). Nice find.
Also on Exit 336 on I-75 in Dalton, GA I believe they're changing the partial cloverleaf interchange into I THINK a diamond interchange. Idk the reason but I believe it was because there were a lot of accidents.
Three days later. Gawd, I suck! Still haven't posted that 319 feature, either. :no:
Quote from: Eth on August 06, 2014, 10:43:59 PMLooking at the old GDOT maps, it looks something like this...
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Notice the GA 401 shield on US 19/41 near Jonesboro. It certainly would seem at this time that they were planning to run I-75 right along there (maybe even upgrading in place - this new four-lane alignment was only a few years old). The segment of I-75 around Forsyth had its north end at US 23, but with no shown proposed extension from there, so it's hard to say. The southern end appears to be at what was then the GA 18/GA 148 intersection. I-75 would ultimately pretty much take over the routing of GA 148 down to Bolingbroke, just past the I-475 split.
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A little murkier here - that GA 401 shield on US 19/41 has now been changed to GA 333. Is this an indication that somewhere in these two years the decision was made to put I-75 on the more eastern route? Still no proposed route shown north of Forsyth.
The 401 number doesn't surprise me, but the 333 sure does. As you surely know, 333 was also the number of the relocated US 19 from Albany to the Florida line. Was a relocation of the rest of US 19 once a gleam in GDOT's eye?
The GA 148 thing amazes me as well. About ten years ago I had occasion to use Old Forsyth Road, and I was agog to discover that, despite having no route number, it was of notably high quality even for a state highway, and even paved in concrete! Google Maps marks it as GA 148, BTW.
Further west, I don't see any indication on the ground or on Google satellite that there was ever access from abutting properties to what is now I-75. Maybe GA 148 was completed only a few years before the Interstate system was initiated, and the ROW of GA 148 was claimed for I-75 before anybody could build a driveway to it. I'm wondering, too, if perhaps one of the roadways of I-75 is actually GA 148-- there's a lot of difference in the profiles of the two roadways there.
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Looks to all be resolved by this point.
I'm a bit slow on the uptake, but perhaps the Atlanta International Raceway (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanta_International_Raceway), which opened in 1960, had something to do with the decision to reroute I-75.
I also find it interesting (I knew about this, BTW) that the rerouted section of I-75 between Forsyth and Forest Park was built in two phases rather than all at once. Traffic patterns in the corridor must have been pretty interesting for those few years.
GA 148 first appears on the 1955 map. The road isn't on the 1954 map at all, even as a non-state-highway. The number didn't last very long - if you look closely at that 1966 map above, you'll see that what's left is no longer marked as 148, but rather as 19 Spur, having been extended down Pate Road to meet US 41/GA 19. That number last appears on the 1977-78 map; the 1979 edition shows it as no longer being numbered. So Google is in fact almost 50 years out of date on that one.
As for that segment of 333...
Through 1969, it is shown as extending as far south as the end of the Barnesville bypass. The Griffin bypass is still under construction in '69, but the part south of there is done, though designated as only GA 333, without US 41 having been moved onto it (although past the US 41/341 split, both US 341 and GA 7 are on the bypass along with 333).
The Griffin bypass is completed in 1970, and both US 19 and US 41 are moved onto it. At this same time, US 41/GA 7 between Griffin and Barnesville are also moved onto the new alignment and 333 is truncated to the south end of the Griffin bypass. This part of GA 333 disappears completely on the 1971 map, having been replaced in its entirety by an extended GA 7. (GA 3 remains on the old road through Hampton, Lovejoy, and Jonesboro until 1988, at which point GA 7 is truncated back to its old northern terminus at Griffin.)
The southern GA 333 (from Albany southward) sticks around until 1983, when both it and GA 257 south of I-75 are renumbered as GA 300. There doesn't appear to be any evidence of a plan to link the two, with GDOT seemingly content to leave US 19 mostly as a two-lane road from Griffin all the way to Albany until the 2000s (and, presumably, the GRIP program).
Another project that will begin in 2015, will be the new exit 14 on Interstate 985. It should be completed by 2017.
http://www.gainesvilletimes.com/section/6/article/103176/
Quote from: Eth on August 09, 2014, 09:35:05 PM
GA 148 first appears on the 1955 map. The road isn't on the 1954 map at all, even as a non-state-highway.
That's what struck me about it ten years ago. I think it was built as a new-terrain highway. In fact, the more I think about it, the more I suspect that it was intended as a relocation of US 41! :love:
QuoteAs for that segment of 333... There doesn't appear to be any evidence of a plan to link the two, with GDOT seemingly content to leave US 19 mostly as a two-lane road from Griffin all the way to Albany until the 2000s (and, presumably, the GRIP program).
No evidence except the number. My eye draws a line from the southwest corner of the Barnesville bypass to US 19 a bit north of the junction with US 80, either blowing right past Thomaston or passing within jog-over distance. I guess that's just me, though.
Quote from: Posted by: adventurernumber1Also on Exit 336 on I-75 in Dalton, GA I believe they're changing the partial cloverleaf interchange into I THINK a diamond interchange. Idk the reason but I believe it was because there were a lot of accidents.
That should be interesting! A diamond will surely require new bridges over the railroad-- that's why they did a folded diamond there in the first place. Hopefully it'll be advanced enough for me to see what's going on by the next time I'm up that way.
Slightly related to that, I noticed when I was doing ATL-Nashville every week in 2012, there's a lot of variation in how the merge lanes on I-75 around there are configured, and quite a few are just flat out too short. I wish they'd addressed that when 75 was widened in the '80's. :pan:
Tom-the Dalton exit work isn't far enough along to really see too much. plus, the jersey barrier and the lane shift is towards the inner median, you can't really see much at all. i hated that exit so i am curious to see what the new one will end up like.
I have been meaning to ask someone about the street lamps on I-75 that lie somewhere between Adele, GA and Valdosta, GA. I noticed that they are in a rural area without interchanges and all along where they stand, there are FOG warning signs. So naturally they are both related and considering I-75 has had its share of multi car pile ups over history due to weather issues in three states it transits. Yet I once rode through there once at night on way back from New Jersey, and they were not at all lit.
Are these lights (if GADOT kept them after the widening a short while back) only operative during extreme fog conditions, or was a breaker blown perhaps when I traveled through there at the time?
Quote from: roadman65 on August 21, 2014, 02:11:23 AM
I have been meaning to ask someone about the street lamps on I-75 that lie somewhere between Adele, GA and Valdosta, GA. I noticed that they are in a rural area without interchanges and all along where they stand, there are FOG warning signs. So naturally they are both related and considering I-75 has had its share of multi car pile ups over history due to weather issues in three states it transits. Yet I once rode through there once at night on way back from New Jersey, and they were not at all lit.
Are these lights (if GADOT kept them after the widening a short while back) only operative during extreme fog conditions, or was a breaker blown perhaps when I traveled through there at the time?
I remember them from when I used to drive down to see my parents in Thomasvillle. It seemed like they used to be there, and then all but disappeared. I wonder if they were redone with higher mast lights when lanes were added. I think there might have been a couple of interchanges added. It's been almost 8 years since I've driven through that area. But, I do remember them.
Quote from: roadman65 on August 21, 2014, 02:11:23 AM
I have been meaning to ask someone about the street lamps on I-75 that lie somewhere between Adele, GA and Valdosta, GA. I noticed that they are in a rural area without interchanges and all along where they stand, there are FOG warning signs. So naturally they are both related and considering I-75 has had its share of multi car pile ups over history due to weather issues in three states it transits. Yet I once rode through there once at night on way back from New Jersey, and they were not at all lit.
Are these lights (if GADOT kept them after the widening a short while back) only operative during extreme fog conditions, or was a breaker blown perhaps when I traveled through there at the time?
At least when they were on the sides of the interstate, they were active at night, or so I thought. Was travelling down to Tampa for New Years 1991 and woke up in the middle of nowhere on I-75 to street lamps then total darkness.
Quote from: roadman65 on August 21, 2014, 02:11:23 AM
I have been meaning to ask someone about the street lamps on I-75 that lie somewhere between Adele, GA and Valdosta, GA. I noticed that they are in a rural area without interchanges and all along where they stand, there are FOG warning signs. So naturally they are both related and considering I-75 has had its share of multi car pile ups over history due to weather issues in three states it transits. Yet I once rode through there once at night on way back from New Jersey, and they were not at all lit.
Are these lights (if GADOT kept them after the widening a short while back) only operative during extreme fog conditions, or was a breaker blown perhaps when I traveled through there at the time?
The lights are installed again on the median jersey wall, but I've never seen them lit, even at night. But there are not any fog warning signs in place (at least after the widening), although there are a couple of VMSes in place along this section of I-75 that can be used to warn of fog.
See this article for more details: http://gtri.gatech.edu/casestudy/happy-motoring-safer-interstate-highway
Will Georgia ever connect their two segments of GA 177 in the Great Okefenokee Swamp? If not why do they just reassign a new route number for one of the two pieces as I am sure there is some number not used yet?
http://www.wgxa.tv/story/honoring-duane-allman-20140927#axzz3F6ZQLuXM
Guitar legend Duane Allman gets a street in Macon named after him over 40 years after his tragic death.
Quote from: roadman65 on October 03, 2014, 01:50:00 PM
http://www.wgxa.tv/story/honoring-duane-allman-20140927#axzz3F6ZQLuXM
Guitar legend Duane Allman gets a street in Macon named after him over 40 years after his tragic death.
Thanks so much for posting this. I have been a Duane Allman fan for over 40 years. His premature death was very tragic. He could have contributed so much more for music. Most people don't realize that he created the start lead riff on the song "Layla"
I-95 is now an excellent drive in Georgia. Last time I drove on it, there were still segments that were four lanes, but now it's entirely six lanes, and I dealt with only two brief left-lane impediments between Savannah and Jacksonville. From what I remember, most of the highway (if not all) has the new style signs instead of the old condensed Georgia font.
I-75 is also becoming a better drive. The six-lane widening between Valdosta and Tifton is complete, and the only construction left south of Macon is reconstruction of an existing six-lane segment between Cordele and Unadilla. Now it's time for Georgia to give I-85 the same attention that I-75 and I-95 have been given.
Quote from: Gnutella on October 08, 2014, 02:53:30 AM
I-95 is now an excellent drive in Georgia. Last time I drove on it, there were still segments that were four lanes, but now it's entirely six lanes, and I dealt with only two brief left-lane impediments between Savannah and Jacksonville. From what I remember, most of the highway (if not all) has the new style signs instead of the old condensed Georgia font.
I-75 is also becoming a better drive. The six-lane widening between Valdosta and Tifton is complete, and the only construction left south of Macon is reconstruction of an existing six-lane segment between Cordele and Unadilla. Now it's time for Georgia to give I-85 the same attention that I-75 and I-95 have been given.
Yeah, it would be cool if they'd widen I-85 to be continuously at least 3 lanes each way though state of GA. Then, with three interstates like that (I-75, I-95, I-85), Georgia would be very significant and known for having interstates at least 3 lanes each way through the state.
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on October 08, 2014, 07:32:00 AM
Quote from: Gnutella on October 08, 2014, 02:53:30 AM
I-95 is now an excellent drive in Georgia. Last time I drove on it, there were still segments that were four lanes, but now it's entirely six lanes, and I dealt with only two brief left-lane impediments between Savannah and Jacksonville. From what I remember, most of the highway (if not all) has the new style signs instead of the old condensed Georgia font.
I-75 is also becoming a better drive. The six-lane widening between Valdosta and Tifton is complete, and the only construction left south of Macon is reconstruction of an existing six-lane segment between Cordele and Unadilla. Now it's time for Georgia to give I-85 the same attention that I-75 and I-95 have been given.
Yeah, it would be cool if they'd widen I-85 to be continuously at least 3 lanes each way though state of GA. Then, with three interstates like that (I-75, I-95, I-85), Georgia would be very significant and known for having interstates at least 3 lanes each way through the state.
I-85 desperately needs it. During normal traffic conditions, you end up with all the 18-wheelers, buses and vehicles with trailers spaced out in the right lane, and a long line of cars in the left lane going not much faster. And during holiday travel periods, traffic can come to a complete stop. I drove I-85 between Jefferson and Buford the weekend before Christmas last year, and just as my speed would get up to 50 MPH, I'd have to come to a stop again. This was out in the sticks too. Time to make it six lanes so even heavy holiday traffic can move, even if slower than normal.
Here's a visual update of the progress on the exit construction going on, on Exit 336 on I-75 in Dalton, GA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byu0tWk4vQ0
This project has been going on for exactly a year now, for it started last October.
Quote from: Gnutella on October 08, 2014, 06:10:06 PMI-75 is also becoming a better drive. The six-lane widening between Valdosta and Tifton is complete...
That depends on how one defines "complete." It's been widened to six lanes (actually, in places,
seven or eight all-new concrete lanes with the outer lanes being used as shoulders!) and most of the non-interchange bridges over I-75 (as well as the ones carrying I-75) have been replaced, but the legacy interchanges, including the bridges, are still intact. With the entire roadway envelope now paved with full-width left shoulders and a concrete median barrier, replacing the remaining bridges will be disruptive, as will matching the grades between the ramp terminals (the interchanges are tightly configured, as was common back then) and the as-yet-hypothetical new bridges, which likely will be several feet higher that the existing ones. I don't understand the thinking on this, especially since many such bridges of more recent construction have been replaced on I-85, I-20 and even I-16. If anyone can explain this to me, I'd be most grateful.
Here's a photo feature I did (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=18893759&postcount=1804) in 2008, while construction was in full swing. I haven't been down there since. While I'm in the neighborhood, here's another (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=18907787&postcount=1815) extending from Cordele to Forsyth via I-475. Imageshack dumped quite a few of the photos, but they're not completely useless. Yet. :spin:
Here's a current Streetview, too (https://www.google.com/maps/@31.0435146,-83.3974571,3a,75y,358.3h,74.63t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sQD4_SS2uyBvuto717Zdf-w!2e0). See what I mean about the bridges?
Then there's this (https://www.google.com/maps/@31.3580774,-83.490438,349m/data=!3m1!1e3)...
Quote from: Gnutella on October 08, 2014, 06:10:06 PMQuote from: adventurernumber1 on October 08, 2014, 07:32:00 AMQuote from: Gnutella on October 08, 2014, 06:10:06 PM
Now it's time for Georgia to give I-85 the same attention that I-75 and I-95 have been given.
Yeah, it would be cool if they'd widen I-85 to be continuously at least 3 lanes each way though state of GA. Then, with three interstates like that (I-75, I-95, I-85), Georgia would be very significant and known for having interstates at least 3 lanes each way through the state.
I-85 desperately needs it. During normal traffic conditions, you end up with all the 18-wheelers, buses and vehicles with trailers spaced out in the right lane, and a long line of cars in the left lane going not much faster. And during holiday travel periods, traffic can come to a complete stop. I drove I-85 between Jefferson and Buford the weekend before Christmas last year, and just as my speed would get up to 50 MPH, I'd have to come to a stop again. This was out in the sticks too. Time to make it six lanes so even heavy holiday traffic can move, even if slower than normal.
I can't disagree with that, but it'll be interesting to see how and when it happens. For one thing, cable median barriers have been installed recently (Georgia uses a design with a continuous concrete footing, which I haven't seen elsewhere), and, while they're not cripplingly expensive, they're also not something that would be installed with the intention of tearing them out very soon. OTOH, in stark contrast to that section of I-75 I was just talking about, virtually all of the interchange bridges over I-85 have already been replaced. But, judging from recent events here, I'd expect the existing concrete pavement to be removed and replaced as part of any widening. Doing this will be expensive-- hence the delay.
It used to be that widening a four lane freeway with a sixty foot median to six lanes followed a standard format: build a lane and a ten foot shoulder in the median, put a double-sided W beam guardrail adjacent to whichever shoulder is higher. More recently, though, a variety of schemes have been used, especially if the existing pavement is to be replaced. A final configuration that includes full-width left shoulders, a concrete barrier and no grass is increasingly popular, it seems. I would imagine that there's quite a bit of discussion within GDOT and FHWA about what to do with I-85 north of Atlanta and how to do it.
Double post! :pan:
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on October 09, 2014, 08:50:50 PM
Here's a visual update of the progress on the exit construction going on, on Exit 336 on I-75 in Dalton, GA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byu0tWk4vQ0
This project has been going on for exactly a year now, for it started last October.
Thanks for the video, but I can't tell what's going on other than the cranes suggesting work on the bridges. Roads can be really hard to photograph, let alone to video.
Got an airplane? :bigass:
Maybe a written description would be in order.
Quote from: Tom958 on October 12, 2014, 12:35:08 PM
Double post! :pan:
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on October 09, 2014, 08:50:50 PM
Here's a visual update of the progress on the exit construction going on, on Exit 336 on I-75 in Dalton, GA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byu0tWk4vQ0
This project has been going on for exactly a year now, for it started last October.
Thanks for the video, but I can't tell what's going on other than the cranes suggesting work on the bridges. Roads can be really hard to photograph, let alone to video.
Got an airplane? :bigass:
Maybe a written description would be in order.
I believe they're changing the current Partial Cloverleaf Interchange on Exit 336 to a Diamond Interchange due to accidents, and I also saw that they are putting up a sound barrier on the Southbound side, south of the exit, as you can see in the video. They may also get some resurfacing out of the project (heck,
all of I-75 in north GA needs to be resurfaced, excluding the section in Calhoun that was resurfaced in recent years). That's pretty much what's going on, as far as I know.
Quote from: Gnutella on October 08, 2014, 02:53:30 AM
I-95 is now an excellent drive in Georgia. Last time I drove on it, there were still segments that were four lanes, but now it's entirely six lanes, and I dealt with only two brief left-lane impediments between Savannah and Jacksonville. From what I remember, most of the highway (if not all) has the new style signs instead of the old condensed Georgia font.
Widening of Interstate 95 throughout Georgia was completed in December 2010. The only newer style guide signs are found at the 2012-opened Horsestamp Church Road interchange (Exit 22) and along northbound at GA 21 & 30 (Exit 109) where an auxiliary lane was added. I have the AARoads guides for I-95 updated as of winter of this year: https://www.aaroads.com/guide.php?page=i0095ga
Underposted Interstates to see speed limit boosts: http://www.macon.com/2014/10/20/3374483/speed-limits-increasing-on-interstates.html
Hopefully some more of the more egregiously low-posted sections (the southern end of I-185, I-20 through Augusta) will be getting speed limit increases as well, along with the silly 2-mile 65 mph section of I-75 in Valdosta.
Quote from: lordsutch on October 20, 2014, 11:17:23 PM
Underposted Interstates to see speed limit boosts: http://www.macon.com/2014/10/20/3374483/speed-limits-increasing-on-interstates.html
Hopefully some more of the more egregiously low-posted sections (the southern end of I-185, I-20 through Augusta) will be getting speed limit increases as well, along with the silly 2-mile 65 mph section of I-75 in Valdosta.
Interstate 95 through Chatham is mostly 65 MPH as well. It was set at 65 MPH along I-95 west of Brunswick too in January. Was that limit increased already, because I do not recall the reduction last Monday [or I was not paying enough attention]?
The Peter Street/Olympic Drive interchange on the Athens Perimeter is coming along. The "inner" overpass is complete but still carrying "outer" traffic, but the "outer" overpass is coming along, and they've begun laying concrete for the ramps too. I imagine that the interchange will be finished within six months, and the entire Perimeter will be a limited-access highway.
Next order of business should be reconfiguring the U.S. 29 NB and Old Hull Road interchanges so the Perimeter doesn't have to exit itself, and also reconfiguring the Oconee Street/Lexington Road interchange. Some of the acceleration and deceleration lanes on the northern Perimeter could stand to be lengthened as well. In fact, the North Avenue/Danielsville Road interchange is unnecessarily complicated and ought to be reconfigured too.
GDOT Commissioner Keith Golden will have a meeting tomorrow in Augusta regarding widening the I-20 bridge over the Savannah River.
http://www.wjbf.com/story/26878552/changes-coming-to-the-i-20-savannah-river-bridge
Quote from: Tom958 on October 12, 2014, 10:58:21 AMThat depends on how one defines "complete." It's been widened to six lanes (actually, in places, seven or eight all-new concrete lanes with the outer lanes being used as shoulders!) and most of the non-interchange bridges over I-75 (as well as the ones carrying I-75) have been replaced, but the legacy interchanges, including the bridges, are still intact. With the entire roadway envelope now paved with full-width left shoulders and a concrete median barrier, replacing the remaining bridges will be disruptive, as will matching the grades between the ramp terminals (the interchanges are tightly configured, as was common back then) and the as-yet-hypothetical new bridges, which likely will be several feet higher that the existing ones. I don't understand the thinking on this, especially since many such bridges of more recent construction have been replaced on I-85, I-20 and even I-16. If anyone can explain this to me, I'd be most grateful.
I guess I was speaking in terms of lane count since that was the main problem with the highway before I noticed that most overpasses south of Cordele have been replaced, but many of the interchange overpasses have not, and the interchanges themselves are still kind of tight. If I remember correctly, they said it had to do with saving money by leaving interchanges with low traffic counts intact. Eventually they'll need to replace them, though, because it does look goofy.
Another thing I'm happy to report that I forgot to mention before is that I-75 between Ashburn and Cordele no longer has uneven lanes. It's as if whichever contractor was in charge of widening that segment went cheap on the Superpave or something. Glad it's been rectified, though.
Quote from: Tom958 on October 12, 2014, 10:58:21 AMI can't disagree with that, but it'll be interesting to see how and when it happens. For one thing, cable median barriers have been installed recently (Georgia uses a design with a continuous concrete footing, which I haven't seen elsewhere), and, while they're not cripplingly expensive, they're also not something that would be installed with the intention of tearing them out very soon. OTOH, in stark contrast to that section of I-75 I was just talking about, virtually all of the interchange bridges over I-85 have already been replaced. But, judging from recent events here, I'd expect the existing concrete pavement to be removed and replaced as part of any widening. Doing this will be expensive-- hence the delay.
It used to be that widening a four lane freeway with a sixty foot median to six lanes followed a standard format: build a lane and a ten foot shoulder in the median, put a double-sided W beam guardrail adjacent to whichever shoulder is higher. More recently, though, a variety of schemes have been used, especially if the existing pavement is to be replaced. A final configuration that includes full-width left shoulders, a concrete barrier and no grass is increasingly popular, it seems. I would imagine that there's quite a bit of discussion within GDOT and FHWA about what to do with I-85 north of Atlanta and how to do it.
Regarding the cable barriers in the median, if GDOT has no problem replacing 10-year-old big green signs, then I doubt they'd have a problem uprooting the cable barriers within that period of time either. I imagine that they'll widen I-85 from Buford to Commerce first, and then do Commerce to the South Carolina state line afterward. Do you think it might be wise to widen to eight lanes up to, say, Hamilton Mill Road or Braselton? I figure six lanes north of Braselton is enough.
Quote from: Gnutella on October 29, 2014, 02:55:53 PMI guess I was speaking in terms of lane count since that was the main problem with the highway before I noticed that most overpasses south of Cordele have been replaced, but many of the interchange overpasses have not, and the interchanges themselves are still kind of tight. If I remember correctly, they said it had to do with saving money by leaving interchanges with low traffic counts intact. Eventually they'll need to replace them, though, because it does look goofy.
After typing that, I realized that I was happy with the narrow-median widening north of Tifton, even though it's identical in cross section and inferior in that (IIRC) none of the bridges over I-75 were replaced:
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That's just me, but south of Tifton they seemed intent on doing a complete reconstruction, and it was suprising and disappointing that they didn't follow completely through. In contrast, the project north of Tifton was cheaper and quicker to build since the pavement was overlaid rather than replaced. I'm also a big fan of full-width left shoulders, and I was glad to see them introduced there even at the cost of narrower shoulders under the bridges.
I suspect that these poured-in-place arches were easier to jack up that the precast beam bridges that were more prevalent south of Tifton:
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Quote from: GnutellaAnother thing I'm happy to report that I forgot to mention before is that I-75 between Ashburn and Cordele no longer has uneven lanes. It's as if whichever contractor was in charge of widening that segment went cheap on the Superpave or something. Glad it's been rectified, though.
Will they ever run out of things to do to I-75 in southern GA? It's occurred to me that it would be defensible to have work continue over many years to provide a steady stream of work for local contractors rather than doing the feast and famine thing of full reconstruction all at once. Between that and funding issues, maybe that's what they're trying to do.
Quote from: GnutellaRegarding the cable barriers in the median, if GDOT has no problem replacing 10-year-old big green signs, then I doubt they'd have a problem uprooting the cable barriers within that period of time either.
Or they could widen to the outside and leave the median as it is. :bigass:
Quote from: GnutellaI imagine that they'll widen I-85 from Buford to Commerce first, and then do Commerce to the South Carolina state line afterward. Do you think it might be wise to widen to eight lanes up to, say, Hamilton Mill Road or Braselton? I figure six lanes north of Braselton is enough.
Yes, I'd agree with that. Maybe south of Braselton, too, since the toll lanes could presumably be extended that far.
Once the sizable chunk from Buford to Commerce is done, they could nibble northward from there for years as funding materializes. I'd expect the bridge over Lake Hartwell to be an exception, though. It's older and narrower than the one afone mentioned carrying I-20 over the Savannah River.
In my recent move to middle Georgia, I have heard from my new colleagues that Interstate 75 is under perpetual reconstruction. I have also heard and read here, that Interstate 85 is woefully neglected, but Interstate 20 is being repaved, supposedly again, on the eastern side of metro Atlanta.
My initial findings are that Interstate 20 is as smooth as silk when I have had taken my Corvette trips from Atlanta or Conyers east to Madison. Interstate 285, the eastern section of the Atlanta Bypass from eastern Interstate 20 to Interstate 75 is getting rough, but trying to resurface the 8-lane highway is going to be quite a challenge for the State, given all that traffic. In addition, the electronic speed limit signs on that same section of Interstate 285 are going haywire, with one side of the road setting the speed at 65 mph and the other side 55 mph going in the same direction.
Quote from: xcellntbuy on November 02, 2014, 03:42:07 PM
In my recent move to middle Georgia, I have heard from my new colleagues that Interstate 75 is under perpetual reconstruction. I have also heard and read here, that Interstate 85 is woefully neglected, but Interstate 20 is being repaved, supposedly again, on the eastern side of metro Atlanta.
My initial findings are that Interstate 20 is as smooth as silk when I have had taken my Corvette trips from Atlanta or Conyers east to Madison.
That's a pretty fair assessment, though I hadn't heard about I-20 east of ATL. It runs perpendicular to my usual directions of travel, and my last photo recon mission went only from 285 to Panola Road.
The last time I was on 20 east of Madison a couple of years ago, some of the original concrete pavement was badly cracked, though the rideability hadn't suffered much as yet. Following recent patterns, I'd expect full removal and replacement-- that's even been done on a few sections of I-16, and not the oldest ones, either. W/E.
Quote from: xcellntbuyInterstate 285, the eastern section of the Atlanta Bypass from eastern Interstate 20 to Interstate 75 is getting rough, but trying to resurface the 8-lane highway is going to be quite a challenge for the State, given all that traffic.
Yes, but: Right before the Olympics, they managed to cheap-widen, repave, and even replace the bridge decks on the northern sector of 285 without disrupting traffic too horribly. For the more recent repaving between I-75 south and I-20 east, they closed down 285 on the weekends.
That's assuming an asphalt overlay. If they try to replace the original concrete, all bets are off. BTW, did you notice that the original concrete paving, c. 1960, is still in use on I-20 east inside 285?
Quote from: xcellntbuyIn addition, the electronic speed limit signs on that same section of Interstate 285 are going haywire, with one side of the road setting the speed at 65 mph and the other side 55 mph going in the same direction.
Again, W/E. :spin:
Yeah, some parts of I-16 have had the concrete replaced, and Idk how long it had been there, but on some of the old concrete, they did a restriping with the broken stripes dividing travel lanes having the black outlines, as of my trip to SC in June. I also saw them repaving some shoulders in places.
I went to Washington, GA a few years ago and I recall the pavement on I-20 in the eastern Atlanta Metro Area being pretty rough.
In addition to my previous observations, I took my first daytime, weekday ride into Atlanta on Tuesday and there are some really deep ruts in the right lanes and exit ramps off of Interstate 75 and 85, the Downtown Connector, from Interstate 20 north toward the Capitol and all the big buildings in downtown Atlanta. :hmmm: The exits are an alphabet soup of 248A, B, C, D and 249A, B, C and D.
I also found a nice relaxing, unhurried, woodsy ride on GA 212 west and north from my new hometown of Milledgeville into DeKalb County on the east side of metro Atlanta. The 31-mile section of GA 212 from Monticello southeast to Milledgeville cuts through a large section of the Oconee National Forest. It cuts the 100-mile ride to Atlanta down to 87 miles and skips the vast majority of traffic. :clap:
Quote from: Tom958 on November 05, 2014, 08:44:56 AM
Quote from: xcellntbuy on November 02, 2014, 03:42:07 PM
In my recent move to middle Georgia, I have heard from my new colleagues that Interstate 75 is under perpetual reconstruction. I have also heard and read here, that Interstate 85 is woefully neglected, but Interstate 20 is being repaved, supposedly again, on the eastern side of metro Atlanta.
My initial findings are that Interstate 20 is as smooth as silk when I have had taken my Corvette trips from Atlanta or Conyers east to Madison.
That's a pretty fair assessment, though I hadn't heard about I-20 east of ATL. It runs perpendicular to my usual directions of travel, and my last photo recon mission went only from 285 to Panola Road.
This must be somewhere east of Conyers. I haven't noticed anything west of exit 82 (SR 20/138) apart from VMSes warning of weekend construction somewhere further ahead.
Yes, it is east of Conyers. The construction zone signage is for 13 miles. The State has been working on the eastbound lanes of late, center lane and the right lane.
Quote from: xcellntbuy on November 05, 2014, 06:39:21 PMI also found a nice relaxing, unhurried, woodsy ride on GA 212 west and north from my new hometown of Milledgeville into DeKalb County on the east side of metro Atlanta. The 31-mile section of GA 212 from Monticello southeast to Milledgeville cuts through a large section of the Oconee National Forest. It cuts the 100-mile ride to Atlanta down to 87 miles and skips the vast majority of traffic. :clap:
The final section of GA 212 wasn't opened until 1972 or so, IIRC. He's a section of the 1966 official state map that Eth posted where you can see the then-projected section:
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When I was young, we'd drive from our home in Gresham Park, off I-20 southeast of Atlanta, to Waycross, using the same, rather odd route that my Dad had come up with. That route went out I-20 to Covington and then to Monticello and the last section of GA 212 would've shortened the route considerably, but by '72 we'd moved to southern Gwinnett
and I'd talked him into using I-75, I-16 and US 23 to get us to Waycross.
I think I must've driven that stretch of GA 212 at some point, but I can't swear to it because it would've been out of my way.
Double post! :pan:
On October 23 I was in an accident at work that left me with a not-too-badly broken pelvis. I'm doing well and I'll be leaving the rehab hospital today, but it'll be weeks before I can walk, let alone drive or go back to work.
Why am I telling you this? Well, a while back, I emailed GDOT about this signage boogerup (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=204.msg2002325#msg2002325), and eventually they sent a form-letter email back. The last time I was over there, they hadn't corrected the problem, but they hadn't compounded the mistake by screwing up the remaining compressed font signs at the GA 141 northbound exit, either, so I'm still hopeful. If anybody's in the area, would you kindly have a look?
Quote from: Tom958 on November 07, 2014, 07:59:13 AM
Double post! :pan:
On October 23 I was in an accident at work that left me with a not-too-badly broken pelvis. I'm doing well and I'll be leaving the rehab hospital today, but it'll be weeks before I can walk, let alone drive or go back to work.
Why am I telling you this? Well, a while back, I emailed GDOT about this signage boogerup (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=204.msg2002325#msg2002325), and eventually they sent a form-letter email back. The last time I was over there, they hadn't corrected the problem, but they hadn't compounded the mistake by screwing up the remaining compressed font signs at the GA 141 northbound exit, either, so I'm still hopeful. If anybody's in the area, would you kindly have a look?
Oh, man, so sorry about your injury. I hope you're able to recover quickly and efficiently. Prayers out to you so that you may stay healthy & safe in the future and that you may recover alright.
This past weekend I went to visit my friend in Cumming, and I noticed that the "thru" lanes on GA 316 at GA 20/GA 124 are now open. Hallelujah! I'm a bit disappointed that the highway is still four lanes, though. Oh well. Maybe soon that'll change. Next thing they need to do is build interchanges at U.S. 29 and Harbins Road.
Also, widening work on GA 20 between Buford and Cumming seems to be making good progress. There are a few retaining walls that have been built near Peachtree Industrial Boulevard, and they seem to indicate what the new grade of the road will be. Much of the right of way in the construction zone is being graded, though there are still some "buttes" where the power lines are. I get the sense that utility relocation is imminent. I also noticed that they've begun clearing vegetation along the two-lane segment in Forsyth County, so work is just now getting underway there.
@Gnutella, I'm actually going to the Athens area this weekend to see family and go to the Georgia/Auburn game (leaving either Friday evening or Saturday morning), and I'm excited to see the progress on the exit they've been building on GA 316 in Lawrenceville! Lord knows how long they've been working on that now. I'd love to one day see GA SR 316 entirely limited-access, and a widening from 2 to 3 lanes each way wouldn't be bad either.
Quote from: Gnutella on November 13, 2014, 06:27:54 AM
This past weekend I went to visit my friend in Cumming, and I noticed that the "thru" lanes on GA 316 at GA 20/GA 124 are now open. Hallelujah! I'm a bit disappointed that the highway is still four lanes, though. Oh well. Maybe soon that'll change. Next thing they need to do is build interchanges at U.S. 29 and Harbins Road.
I was over there, too, even took a few photos, though they weren't worth posting, IMO. Oh: Months back, I finally read the project concept report. The idea is that someday they'll add a barrier separated HOV lane with full-width shoulders. That's why the median's so huge.
My son's girlfriend attends and works at Georgia Gwinnett College-- I rode along with my son to pick her up. Thankfully, the deadly-looking RTO access to/from the college at 316 is finally closed. We didn't even use 316 to get to the college-- instead, we used Walther Blvd from Lawrenceville-Suwanee Road. Access to/from the east is fairly straightforward, too, with the new frontage road from the westbound 316 ramps being an extension of Collins Industrial Way, the road that already provided access to the 316 side of the campus. Walther Blvd was built at about the same time as the GA 120-US 29 segment of GA 316, and it extends across 316, though there's only ever been RTO access there. '90's documents call for an HOV interchange there, but I'm not sure what, if anything, they have in mind there now. Meanwhile, though, it'd be kind of neato to have a roundabout at Walther and Collins Industrial, if only as a landmark for people bound for the college.
Unsurprisingly, my bud in Dacula reports that the opening of the through lanes has made no difference to him, since the problem has just been moved east to the next traffic light. More ominously, my parents, who live in Grayson, insist that their trip toward the Braves stadium via GA 20 is no better than it was before. :hmmm:
Yeah, those dinky ramps between GA 120 and Collins Hill Road had to go. I haven't gotten to look at the reconstructed interchange close enough since I always turn onto GA 20 to go toward the Mall of Georgia, but I hope that there will still be room for three "normal" travel lanes in each direction even if they build the HOV lanes.
As for the bottleneck that moved, that tends to happen on highways that are utter failures of civil engineering once a segment gets upgraded. Same thing happened on PA 28 in Pittsburgh, which used to be a shitty, dangerous four-lane "boulevard" inside the city limits, but is now a limited-access "parkway" to go with the rest of the highway outside the city limits. The problem now is that the bottleneck has moved north to an interchange that has a temporary lane drop, so that's the next big project for PennDOT to do. Amazingly, the old bottleneck was so bad that traffic actually moved more smoothly while the road was being reconstructed.
Back to GA 316, the immediate thing that GDOT needs to do is build interchanges at U.S. 29 and Harbins Road. They also need to build overpasses for Hi-Hope Road, Progress Center Boulevard and Fence Road, and make Hurricane Trail into a dead end. The Publix trucks can get on GA 316 at a new Cedars Road interchange instead. Also, Reynolds Road and the segment of Hurricane Shoals Road north of the highway should be connected somehow so there's a continuous frontage road. As it is right now, there's a missing segment near the Gwinnett County Sheriff's precinct. Maybe even rename Reynolds Road as Hurricane Shoals Extension or something.
Of course, once all this stuff gets done, the bottleneck will become Barrow County's problem. :ded: :pan: :-D :no:
On this thread I just made, there are some pictures for updates on some of the projects mentioned on this thread recently. Including the: New exit on GA SR 316 in Lawrenceville at GA 20/124, and also a couple of pictures of the construction on I-75 in Cobb County: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=13986.0
Quote from: Tom958 on November 07, 2014, 07:59:13 AM
Double post! :pan:
On October 23 I was in an accident at work that left me with a not-too-badly broken pelvis. I'm doing well and I'll be leaving the rehab hospital today, but it'll be weeks before I can walk, let alone drive or go back to work.
Why am I telling you this? Well, a while back, I emailed GDOT about this signage boogerup (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=204.msg2002325#msg2002325), and eventually they sent a form-letter email back. The last time I was over there, they hadn't corrected the problem, but they hadn't compounded the mistake by screwing up the remaining compressed font signs at the GA 141 northbound exit, either, so I'm still hopeful. If anybody's in the area, would you kindly have a look?
Just went through this area about half an hour ago - the signs appear to still be the same as in the photo.
I'm older, I guess. Plus I had occasion to travel that way often, starting in 1970 or so.
There was never an interchange at I-75 and Allgood, though by 1968 (http://www.historicaerials.com/aerials.php?scale=2000&lon=-84.545883178711&lat=33.953189849854&year=2007) the pavement for I-75 stopped just short of there. The temporary end of I-75 was at the GA 120 North Loop, which... the interchange was completed, but the roadway east of there wasn't, so that northbound I-75 traffic could make that slow curve unimpeded by a traffic light.
The bridges at the GA 120 North Loop and Gresham Road immediately south of there were of late '60's design, but the one over Roswell Road had a guardrail type used only in 1964-66 in Georgia, so I presume that there was a time when I-75 ended at the GA 120 South Loop.
Quote from: FredI don't remember HOW it ended - or exactly where. But I know that it ended in Marietta prior to opening to Roberts Road (Barrett Parkway) in late-1975 or early-'76. I remember driving on the Roberts Road-to-US411 stretch for the first time in June of 1978 right after I graduated high school.
Before I'd checked
historicaerials.com, I would've blurted out that the pavement ended where the asphalt now changes to concrete. However, that actually occurs quite a bit north of Allgood Road. All of original I-75 from inside the city of Atlanta to Barrett Parkway was concrete, but the part that was finished before 1968 was four lanes with a sixty foot median. It was widened to eight lanes of asphalt in the late -70's-early '80's. As I recall, the six lane concrete section north of Allgood Road survived until
I-575 was built the cheapo addition of two more lanes to I-75 north of 285 in the early '80's, at which point two concrete lanes in each direction were added in the median.
Being unable to specifically remember, I'm guessing that what is now the asphalt-paved section north of Allgood Road was a transition section, first from four lanes to six, then six lanes to eight.
Good info, Tom. Thanks.
Until 1968, we lived in Ohio and used to drive to Florida to visit my grandparents. After we moved to Florida, we made yearly trips back to Ohio to visit relatives that we left behind.
It's funny, the little bits of information that I remember. I recall traversing on the Adairsville-US411 stretch for the first time in the summer of 1973. I believe that it opened in '72 but that was the only year that we did not make the trip.
P.S.: You've only got a couple of years on me.
It's way too late now, but I wish there was an I-75 in Georgia thread. We've had some pretty good discussion here. :wave:
Quote from: Fred Defender on December 04, 2014, 08:47:05 AMUntil 1968, we lived in Ohio and used to drive to Florida to visit my grandparents. After we moved to Florida, we made yearly trips back to Ohio to visit relatives that we left behind.
For us, it was my aunt and uncle-- my Mom's little sister and her husband-- being transferred from Greenville NC to Cartersville GA. They were dreading the prospect of being sent to Cleveland OH instead. I shouldn't be so selfish, but fewer but more epic trips to Cleveland would've been better for my roadgeekery. Or, better, a yearly triangle between there, Newport News/Hampton where most of my Mom's family lives, and the ATL. Wheee!! :clap:
Quote from: Fred DefenderIt's funny, the little bits of information that I remember. I recall traversing on the Adairsville-US411 stretch for the first time in the summer of 1973. I believe that it opened in '72 but that was the only year that we did not make the trip.
I'd wondered about why 75 ended in Adairsville for so long...
Do you remember the nonstandard signage that GDOT erected warning motorists about how horrible US 41 was? The signs were very large and multicolored-- mostly red and blue on white, but no green, IIRC. The ones at the end of the detour included actual, regulation yellow smiley faces. FHWA was annoyed at the nonstandardness, but GDOT was pretty honey badgery about it, and the public liked the signs. That said, IIRC they were removed when the southern end of the detour was moved from the 120 loop to Barrett Parkway.
As I alluded to earlier, I-75 between West Paces and Barrett Parkway was widened in two phases: first, to eight lanes, then by shoehorning in two more lanes wherever they'd fit without tearing down bridges. That second phase was when the notorious eight lane northbound roadway between Windy Hill Road and Delk Road was built. Again, before reviewing
historicaerials.com, I would've said that both phases were done before they actually were. That 1978 aerial shows 75 in its original condition when the northern segment of 285 was already complete-- I misremembered that 75 followed very closely on the heels of the 285 widening. And... the Gresham Road bridge over I-75
was replaced, but it's dated 1990. And some of the bridges on I-575 are dated as early as 1979. Now I'm completely confused. :banghead:
One interesting aspect of that two-phase widening: The Windy Hill Road replacement bridge over I-75 and the bridges for the ramp braids between 285 and Windy Hill were built in the first phase, but the ramps utilizing them were reconfigured during the second phase. Originally, traffic from Windy Hill to 285 entered the three-lane ramp from southbound 75 as a fourth, right lane before that ramp split two and two for 285 eastbound and westbound. The ramp braid bridge was used only for traffic from Windy Hill to 75, and the loop ramp from the original interchange configuration was redundant, though it was left open.
In the second phase, the access ramp from Windy Hill to 285 was closed, a new ramp was built entering the two-lane ramp to 285 southbound from the left (!), and traffic from Windy Hill to 285 eastbound was via that legacy loop ramp, which was no longer redundant. As cobbled-together as it looks, I find it hard to believe that the phase one condition just wasn't well enough thought out. :no:
Closing out this overlong post, I read
the I-75 North Corridor Study Strategic Corridor Improvement Program and noted the most interesting parts:
Add Capacity to I-75 between Barrett Pkwy (Exit 269) and Glade Rd (Exit 278), construction 2021-23, $94m.
Add Capacity to I-75 between Glade Rd (Exit 278) and Old Allatoona Rd (Exit 283), construction 2024-25, $79m.
Add Capacity to I-75 between SR 151 (Exit 348) and I-24 (Exit 2), construction 2023-25, $107m.
The rest of ATL to GA 20 and Dalton to TN are after 2030. But...
Add Capacity to Carbondale Rd from I-75 to US-41, construction 2017-18, $13.052m,
and South Calhoun Bypass, construction 2016, $10.416m. The table I'm copying from starts in 2016, so maybe the starts for these two are earlier and more expensive than these entries indicate.
Not sure if anyone's mentioned this, but I noticed while driving to Charlotte yesterday that all the guide signage on I-85 north of I-985 has been replaced with the new style. No more old Series D signs up that way.
It's been like that at least since 2013 (I only know that because I drove down that way in Sept 2013 and the signage was upgraded all the way to Exit 115)
As of today I have some updates on some road projects in north Georgia.
On the exit they're building on I-75 at Union Grove Road near Calhoun, there's been a decent amount of work done on some of the exit ramps:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7470/15394636523_31b84e8afa.jpg)
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They're reconstructing Exit 315 on I-75 in Calhoun (GA SR 156/Red Bud Road), and now the Northbound lanes are at where the median used to be. That project has been going on for a while, but lately there's been a good deal of progress.
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8614/15828242219_406bc6dced.jpg)
Here's the Jimmy Carter Blvd bridge, still under construction. Since I was injured I don't get out much, but I first saw these decorative metal frames being erected on November 20th. A month later, virtually no progress. The Jimmy Carter DDI must be the most snakebit GDOT project since I-675.
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That sign boogerup mentioned in this post (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=204.msg2023451#msg2023451) (thanks, Eth!) is still unchanged, too.
Two more photos of the Jimmy Carter-I-85 DDI, one eastbound...
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...one westbound. The compulsory right turn lane I'm in predates the DDI project; it used to have a formidable curb that extended all the way back to the last street before 85, forcing motorists to turn right onto 85. it never got me, but my Dad fell victim to it once. :no:
Also, it's hard to see in this photo, but the narrow concrete median has been ripped out and paved over.
The bulbouts leading into the crossovers seem abrupt to me.
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QuoteRaising the state sales tax by a penny would generate about $1.4 billion a year, according to the report, while increasing the gasoline tax by 10 cents per gallon would produce about $600 million annually.
Other options the committee urged the legislature to consider include:
-- Dedicating the fourth penny of the gasoline tax, which currently goes into the state's general fund, to transportation.
-- Indexing the gasoline tax to inflation, construction costs or the price of gasoline.
-- Establishing an annual road usage fee for alternative fuel vehicles, including hybrids, low-emission and zero-emission vehicles.
-- Recapitalizing the Georgia Transportation Infrastructure Bank, a fund administered by the State Road and Tollway Authority that provides grants and loans to local governments.
Without calling specifically for the state to start providing direct funding to MARTA, the only transit system in a major U.S. city that doesn't receive state aid, the report called for lawmakers to "acknowledge" the need for more investment in the 128 transit systems across Georgia.
http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/blog/capitol_vision/2014/12/committee-raise-taxes-to-pay-for-transportation.html?page=2
Quote from: afone on December 30, 2014, 06:33:48 PM
QuoteRaising the state sales tax by a penny would generate about $1.4 billion a year, according to the report, while increasing the gasoline tax by 10 cents per gallon would produce about $600 million annually.
Other options the committee urged the legislature to consider include:
-- Dedicating the fourth penny of the gasoline tax, which currently goes into the state's general fund, to transportation.
-- Indexing the gasoline tax to inflation, construction costs or the price of gasoline.
-- Establishing an annual road usage fee for alternative fuel vehicles, including hybrids, low-emission and zero-emission vehicles.
-- Recapitalizing the Georgia Transportation Infrastructure Bank, a fund administered by the State Road and Tollway Authority that provides grants and loans to local governments.
Without calling specifically for the state to start providing direct funding to MARTA, the only transit system in a major U.S. city that doesn't receive state aid, the report called for lawmakers to "acknowledge" the need for more investment in the 128 transit systems across Georgia.
http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/blog/capitol_vision/2014/12/committee-raise-taxes-to-pay-for-transportation.html?page=2
Oh boy, the "Tea Party" contingency will surely blow a gasket now. :|
The tea part types can complain all they want, but with Georgia's improving economy and worsening traffic, the state needs to raise taxes for transportation. Also when it comes to economic development the state needs to invest in our transportation network. North Carolina and even Florida are prime examples of states that have invested heavily in their systems and are reaping the benefits.
This project will extend the road from I-75 to SR 247. In the future it could be extended to I-16 in Twiggs County or possibly become part of the proposed I-14.
http://www.macon.com/2014/12/31/3506415_state-oks-533-million-road-extension.html?sp=/99/100/&rh=1
Quote from: afone on December 31, 2014, 12:58:26 PM
This project will extend the road from I-75 to SR 247. In the future it could be extended to I-16 in Twiggs County or possibly become part of the proposed I-14.
http://www.macon.com/2014/12/31/3506415_state-oks-533-million-road-extension.html?sp=/99/100/&rh=1
Except for an interchange at US 129/GA 247, it's being built as a 45 mph arterial with a narrow median, sidewalks, and bike lanes. If the extension to I-16 and eventually to GA 57 happens, it might become the Fall Line (Not) Freeway routing but it won't be anything close to an Interstate grade facility.
That's true, perhaps they could build future I-14 south of this extension.
Quote from: Gnutella on December 31, 2014, 12:20:09 PM
Quote from: afone on December 30, 2014, 06:33:48 PM
QuoteRaising the state sales tax by a penny would generate about $1.4 billion a year, according to the report, while increasing the gasoline tax by 10 cents per gallon would produce about $600 million annually.
Other options the committee urged the legislature to consider include:
-- Dedicating the fourth penny of the gasoline tax, which currently goes into the state's general fund, to transportation.
-- Indexing the gasoline tax to inflation, construction costs or the price of gasoline.
-- Establishing an annual road usage fee for alternative fuel vehicles, including hybrids, low-emission and zero-emission vehicles.
-- Recapitalizing the Georgia Transportation Infrastructure Bank, a fund administered by the State Road and Tollway Authority that provides grants and loans to local governments.
Without calling specifically for the state to start providing direct funding to MARTA, the only transit system in a major U.S. city that doesn't receive state aid, the report called for lawmakers to "acknowledge" the need for more investment in the 128 transit systems across Georgia.
http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/blog/capitol_vision/2014/12/committee-raise-taxes-to-pay-for-transportation.html?page=2
Oh boy, the "Tea Party" contingency will surely blow a gasket now. :|
Funny you should bring it up:
I'm not a resident of the Peach State. But Heaven forbid government (local, state, or federal) should have to survive on existing sources of revenue. How much is "enough"?
Quote from: Fred Defender on December 31, 2014, 07:15:57 PM
Quote from: Gnutella on December 31, 2014, 12:20:09 PM
Quote from: afone on December 30, 2014, 06:33:48 PM
QuoteRaising the state sales tax by a penny would generate about $1.4 billion a year, according to the report, while increasing the gasoline tax by 10 cents per gallon would produce about $600 million annually.
Other options the committee urged the legislature to consider include:
-- Dedicating the fourth penny of the gasoline tax, which currently goes into the state's general fund, to transportation.
-- Indexing the gasoline tax to inflation, construction costs or the price of gasoline.
-- Establishing an annual road usage fee for alternative fuel vehicles, including hybrids, low-emission and zero-emission vehicles.
-- Recapitalizing the Georgia Transportation Infrastructure Bank, a fund administered by the State Road and Tollway Authority that provides grants and loans to local governments.
Without calling specifically for the state to start providing direct funding to MARTA, the only transit system in a major U.S. city that doesn't receive state aid, the report called for lawmakers to "acknowledge" the need for more investment in the 128 transit systems across Georgia.
http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/blog/capitol_vision/2014/12/committee-raise-taxes-to-pay-for-transportation.html?page=2
Oh boy, the "Tea Party" contingency will surely blow a gasket now. :|
Funny you should bring it up:
I'm not a resident of the Peach State. But Heaven forbid government (local, state, or federal) should have to survive on existing sources of revenue. How much is "enough"?
More than is spent on transportation infrastructure right now. Just ask the ASCE.
Quote from: Gnutella on January 01, 2015, 05:15:59 PMMore than is spent on transportation infrastructure right now. Just ask the ASCE.
They say that about every state. :clap:
Quote from: Fred Defender on December 31, 2014, 07:15:57 PMI'm not a resident of the Peach State. But Heaven forbid government (local, state, or federal) should have to survive on existing sources of revenue. How much is "enough"?
The Tea Partiers say that about every state, too. :bigass:
QuoteNine miles of State Route 77 will be rebuilt and widened between Madison and Elbert Counties at a cost of $47.8 million. The project is being executed by a Snellville company and is expected to be done by December 2017.
http://onlineathens.com/local-news/2015-01-01/gdot-widen-sr77-madison-elbert-counties
Quote from: afone on January 02, 2015, 01:59:18 AM
QuoteNine miles of State Route 77 will be rebuilt and widened between Madison and Elbert Counties at a cost of $47.8 million. The project is being executed by a Snellville company and is expected to be done by December 2017.
http://onlineathens.com/local-news/2015-01-01/gdot-widen-sr77-madison-elbert-counties
GA 77 doesn't go to Madison County, and looks like a useless road to widen even by Georgia standards. They must mean GA 72.
Quote from: afone on January 02, 2015, 01:59:18 AM
QuoteNine miles of State Route 77 will be rebuilt and widened between Madison and Elbert Counties at a cost of $47.8 million. The project is being executed by a Snellville company and is expected to be done by December 2017.
http://onlineathens.com/local-news/2015-01-01/gdot-widen-sr77-madison-elbert-counties
Sounds to me like GA 72 will eventually be a four-lane arterial highway from Athens all the way to Elberton.
By the way, does anybody know of any news that involves widening U.S. 129 between Athens and Macon? I've heard thins periodically, but nothing for about two years now. I hope they get around to widening it soon.
Quote from: Gnutella on January 02, 2015, 09:49:57 AM
By the way, does anybody know of any news that involves widening U.S. 129 between Athens and Macon? I've heard thins periodically, but nothing for about two years now. I hope they get around to widening it soon.
I was actually working on some of the design for the widening of US 129/441 between Madison and Eatonton. At the present time, that portion is scheduled to be let to construction in 2019 (they are currently in the right-of-way acquisition phase).
To find more specific info on the individual project segments along the corridor, go to the following link:
http://www.dot.ga.gov/informationcenter/maps/geotraqs/Pages/default.aspx (http://www.dot.ga.gov/informationcenter/maps/geotraqs/Pages/default.aspx)
From there select the county you're interested in to zoom in the map. Then click on a highlighted roadway segment to get the project ID number and associated project info.
Quote from: Gnutella on January 02, 2015, 09:49:57 AM
By the way, does anybody know of any news that involves widening U.S. 129 between Athens and Macon? I've heard thins periodically, but nothing for about two years now. I hope they get around to widening it soon.
There have been public hearings on widening the Eatonton to Gray section of US 129/GA 44; the info is on the GDOT website under public hearings. The four-lane divided Gray bypass is now under construction (the plans don't show relocating US 129 onto it, or even moving GA 22, though), and of course 129 is four lanes already from Macon to Gray.
Quote from: lordsutch on January 02, 2015, 04:26:21 PM
Quote from: Gnutella on January 02, 2015, 09:49:57 AM
By the way, does anybody know of any news that involves widening U.S. 129 between Athens and Macon? I've heard thins periodically, but nothing for about two years now. I hope they get around to widening it soon.
There have been public hearings on widening the Eatonton to Gray section of US 129/GA 44; the info is on the GDOT website under public hearings. The four-lane divided Gray bypass is now under construction (the plans don't show relocating US 129 onto it, or even moving GA 22, though), and of course 129 is four lanes already from Macon to Gray.
I'm assuming that the Gray bypass will pass to the west of town, correct?
The railroad through the center of town creates a big mess in terms of traffic flow, so the bypass is certainly good news for long-distance travelers.
Quote from: 2Co5_14 on January 02, 2015, 01:30:33 PM
Quote from: Gnutella on January 02, 2015, 09:49:57 AM
By the way, does anybody know of any news that involves widening U.S. 129 between Athens and Macon? I've heard thins periodically, but nothing for about two years now. I hope they get around to widening it soon.
I was actually working on some of the design for the widening of US 129/441 between Madison and Eatonton. At the present time, that portion is scheduled to be let to construction in 2019 (they are currently in the right-of-way acquisition phase).
To find more specific info on the individual project segments along the corridor, go to the following link:
http://www.dot.ga.gov/informationcenter/maps/geotraqs/Pages/default.aspx (http://www.dot.ga.gov/informationcenter/maps/geotraqs/Pages/default.aspx)
From there select the county you're interested in to zoom in the map. Then click on a highlighted roadway segment to get the project ID number and associated project info.
Looks like all the information scrolls horizontally, which is kind of awkward. I'll tinker around with it and see if I can figure it out.
Quote from: lordsutch on December 31, 2014, 06:15:35 PM...it might become the Fall Line (Not) Freeway...
I just call it the Fall Line Four Lane. It's more accurate
and doubly alliterative. :clap:
Quote from: Gnutella on January 05, 2015, 02:44:47 PM
I'm assuming that the Gray bypass will pass to the west of town, correct?
The railroad through the center of town creates a big mess in terms of traffic flow, so the bypass is certainly good news for long-distance travelers.
It loops around the north side, from US 129/GA 11/GA 22 west (intersecting around where GA 18 west comes in now) to GA 22 east, including an overpass over the railroad line at GA 11 north.
Quote from: Gnutella on January 02, 2015, 09:43:33 AM
Sounds to me like GA 72 will eventually be a four-lane arterial highway from Athens all the way to Elberton.
And extend that four lane on 72 to the South Carolina line, where SC 72 is four lanes from Calhoun Falls to outside Greenwood.
QuoteThe completion of the four- and six-lane Ga. 347 in South Hall County by this time next year will mark the opening of one of Hall's few east-west traffic arteries – and maybe its last major one for years to come.
Work is well underway to widen Ga. 347 between Interstate 985 and Ga. 211/Old Winder Highway in Braselton, with heavy equipment and crews out in force up and down the busy stretch.
When done, it will mesh with the newly widened Ga. 347 between I-985 and McEver Road in West Hall, a project that was finished last year.
http://www.gainesvilletimes.com/section/6/article/107129/
Work on the new Peter Street/Olympic Drive interchange on the Athens Perimeter is almost finished. Here are some pictures I took last week...
"Outer" (northbound) off-ramp
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv437%2FDBR96%2FRoads%2520and%2520highways%2F1_zps3c897c9b.jpg&hash=92fd8b4269f269be9b81b95dd9db852b32c6ab22)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv437%2FDBR96%2FRoads%2520and%2520highways%2F2_zpsd9358a15.jpg&hash=aeb8f0f63d81b85dcb039dff351e50af89c99a8c)
Construction crew at work on the "inner" (southbound) side
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv437%2FDBR96%2FRoads%2520and%2520highways%2F3_zpsc01fa471.jpg&hash=f199db34033a6679cad85f6d88e50454fd9cd96c)
Giant rock embedded in the "outer" embankment
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv437%2FDBR96%2FRoads%2520and%2520highways%2F4_zps98f269aa.jpg&hash=544581a8c72a0eb2ea0e6d1dd7939cadb1ee6daa)
A good look at the height of the "outer" embankment
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv437%2FDBR96%2FRoads%2520and%2520highways%2F5_zps98e82645.jpg&hash=c2ad857283c696c68006754a689bda00a2c2d1ec)
Looking west under the underpass toward Peter Street
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv437%2FDBR96%2FRoads%2520and%2520highways%2F6_zpsadb4b9ff.jpg&hash=aab1a5de38e00a40e2ef1f765672fcb27f065736)
"Outer" (northbound) on-ramp
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv437%2FDBR96%2FRoads%2520and%2520highways%2F7_zpsf9dd4abb.jpg&hash=982b50c551bae68156b01bfd136b09ed1a687d84)
Looking east under the underpass toward Olympic Drive
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv437%2FDBR96%2FRoads%2520and%2520highways%2F8_zps18d53617.jpg&hash=b60e2094596523e171439dd51d7c0cbb2d1be40b)
Electronic sign with an important announcement
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv437%2FDBR96%2FRoads%2520and%2520highways%2F9_zpsda712c50.jpg&hash=4072c72025e6322a71d88e86a824437b6b0c3a98)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv437%2FDBR96%2FRoads%2520and%2520highways%2F10_zpsdf426c9c.jpg&hash=28842dfda8ff89c2506b0fc4766b0bff22d9948c)
Looking up the "inner" (southbound) ramps
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv437%2FDBR96%2FRoads%2520and%2520highways%2F11_zps7e69a9d5.jpg&hash=45463846ca5a813f7f6a306d13d9e94583ae32e4)
As you can see, the interchange is a hybrid, with a diamond setup on the "outer" (northbound) side, and a partial cloverleaf setup on the "inner" (southbound) side. Right now on the "inner" Perimeter, the off-ramp is carrying traffic in both directions, though that's about to change. The only thing that needs to happen now is for lines to be painted on the on-ramp and repainted on the off-ramp, and for Peter Street and Olympic Drive to be resurfaced within the interchange.
That's some messed-up striping there!
Quote from: freebrickproductions on January 18, 2015, 09:29:33 AM
That's some messed-up striping there!
I agree with this :sombrero:
And (referring to the electronic signs) South Bound isn't
that disgusting is it :-D (I kid, I kid)
But nice pics! Thank you for sharing them!
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on January 18, 2015, 01:48:29 PM
Quote from: freebrickproductions on January 18, 2015, 09:29:33 AM
That's some messed-up striping there!
I agree with this :sombrero:
IMO, crappy-looking construction zone striping provides another clue that it's a construction zone, which is why it doesn't bother me. Much.
Quote from: adventurernumberBut nice pics! Thank you for sharing them!
Indeed. Thanks!
It looks like "Trail Creek Street" is toast, at least on the ITP side and presumably much truncated on the other. My guess that their use as access to the mainline might be permanent was wrong.
Streetview is amazingly recent there, BTW.
Oh, in utterly unrelated news, I'm now allowed to drive and to work part time, with restrictions. It'll be easier to spot and photograph whatever pathetic items my part of Georgia can offer.
"Trail Creek Street" was just a temporary road between the Athens Perimeter and Peter Street/Olympic Drive while building the Perimeter overpasses. And it's outside the Perimeter (toward Olympic Drive) where it no longer exists. By tomorrow it'll cease to exist inside the Perimeter (toward Peter Street) once they open the "inner" (southbound) on-ramp and re-stripe the off-ramp.
Speaking of striping, I never complain about it in construction zones because it's all temporary. If it looks jagged after they've put all the asphalt down, then I'll complain, but until then, as long as it looks vaguely like a road, I'm fine with it. It's better than trying to delineate lanes with a bunch of tiny reflective stickers that are hard to see.
One other note: I saw a GDOT notice sign posted on the Athens Perimeter near the bridges between Oconee Street/Lexington Road and College Station Road. I'll have to see what that's about. Also, is anybody else in favor of reconfiguring the Old Hull Road/U.S. 29 interchanges so the Perimeter doesn't have to exit itself? I think that'd be a worthwhile project.
It looks like officials in Macon want to extend the runway of the Middle Georgia Regional Airport. If this project is done, it would require a runway bridge over the Avondale Mill/Sardis Church Road extension.
http://www.macon.com/2015/01/19/3540029/officials-macon-runway-expansion.html
Anybody know where in Georgia this is? https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=13274.175
EDIT: Lordsutch got it (https://www.google.com/maps/@32.546947,-83.988446,3a,75y,257.86h,76.41t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s5ojFyDalEDarSJGqgiixGw!2e0)! :clap:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fry9BGq0.jpg&hash=6e27a7261f6ff753bc1d506a9d5f5bde45de2500)
The Bobby Jones EXPWY widening is finally done...
QuoteState Transportation Board of Georgia Chairman Don Grantham says they did complete the $33 million lane expansion and interchange project on Bobby Jones Expressway from Gordon Highway extending just east of Deans Bridge Road. The total project length was 4.7 miles.
http://www.wrdw.com/home/headlines/33-million-I-520-lane-expansion-and-interchange-complete-289444131.html
http://www.wfxl.com/news/story.aspx?id=1153492#.VMLuWkfF-So
Quote from: afone on January 23, 2015, 08:01:07 PM
http://www.wfxl.com/news/story.aspx?id=1153492#.VMLuWkfF-So
Google maps link (https://www.google.com/maps/@31.6067496,-84.1559814,696m/data=!3m1!1e3)
Doesn't seem like much of an improvement over what was there before.
Semi-interestingly, there was originally a loop ramp for westbound 520 to southbound 91, and it still shows up on the 2007 historic aerial. I never understood why that loop ramp was built in the first place, and now it's gone.
While we're in the Albany area, check out this sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@31.541143,-84.11505,3a,75y,353.95h,91.69t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s-kUK06C-fAbAolbFvFDohA!2e0): it includes a Marine Corps emblem as kind of a route marker. If I ever go that way again I'll try to get a photo.
I've driven through there several times, from when my parents lived in Thomasville. One of the few remaining sign bridges with lighting in Georgia.Especially middle South Georgia.
A new exit on GA 400
http://www.forsythnews.com/section/2/article/26626/
QuoteLegislation to be introduced into the House on Thursday calls for replacing the various components that make up the state gasoline tax with a straight excise tax of 29.2 cents per gallon, a figure based on the average in combined state and local sales and excise taxes Georgians have been paying at the pump during the last four years.
The bill also would levy an annual fee on electric-, propane- and natural gas-powered vehicles — but not hybrids — of $300 for commercial vehicles and $200 for non-commercial vehicles. The revenue from the alternative-vehicle fee — a projected $7.5 million during the first year the fee is collected — plus an additional $100 million in bond financing would pay for transit projects, an unprecedented investment in transit by a state that has long been known to favor asphalt over buses and trains.
"I've personally had a change of heart," said Rep. Jay Roberts, R-Ocilla, chairman of the House Transportation Committee. "We're the hub of the Southeast and are growing. We need to make transit a priority."
http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/blog/capitol_vision/2015/01/georgia-house-leaders-unveil-transportation.html
Quote from: afone on January 28, 2015, 05:51:30 PMhttp://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/blog/capitol_vision/2015/01/georgia-house-leaders-unveil-transportation.html
"Republican leaders in the Georgia House of Representatives said Wednesday they've figured out a way to raise more than $1 billion a year in additional transportation funding without raising taxes."
:spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin:
How is "a new 6-cents-per-gallon local excise tax on gasoline" not a tax? Thanks, liberal media!
QuoteMajor features of the project include a new on-ramp to the northbound perimeter aligned with Barnett Shoals Road, additional lanes on Lexington Road in the area of the perimeter, and elimination of the left-turn option from westbound Lexington Road to the northbound lanes of the perimeter.
http://onlineathens.com/breaking-news/2015-01-29/proposed-dot-plan-would-ease-congestion-lexington-road-interchange-athens
Quote from: Gnutella on January 19, 2015, 01:19:21 AMAlso, is anybody else in favor of reconfiguring the Old Hull Road/U.S. 29 interchanges so the Perimeter doesn't have to exit itself? I think that'd be a worthwhile project.
Yes, almost any good roadgeek would. The thing is, though, that it'd likely be
very expensive to make the Perimeter into the mainline, even with a 55mph design speed. I think that the topography would be a challenge, too. It'd be a good project for our interchange redesign bunnies.
Is there any actual congestion there, or an excessive accident rate? :hmmm:
I heard on the radio earlier this week that several speed zones throughout the state are being increased. I drove through the Macon section of Interstate 75 and found the 65 mph zone is now 70 mph (although the state missed a 65 mph sign just north of the Interstate 475 split at Exit 156) and the 55 mph zone closer to the city center near Interstate 16 is a speed limit of 60 mph.
The signs were all numbered patches.
Many of the speed limit changes were in the process of being upgraded in metro Atlanta, as well.
Quote from: xcellntbuy on January 31, 2015, 10:25:28 AM
Many of the speed limit changes were in the process of being upgraded in metro Atlanta, as well.
Here is an article and video on the Atlanta area speed limit changes:
http://www.11alive.com/story/news/traffic/commuter-dude/2015/01/20/faster-speed-limits-in-place-across-metro-atlanta/22062903/
Quote from: xcellntbuy on January 31, 2015, 10:25:28 AM
I heard on the radio earlier this week that several speed zones throughout the state are being increased. I drove through the Macon section of Interstate 75 and found the 65 mph zone is now 70 mph (although the state missed a 65 mph sign just north of the Interstate 475 split at Exit 156) and the 55 mph zone closer to the city center near Interstate 16 is a speed limit of 60 mph.
The signs were all numbered patches.
Some of the signs were actually replaced, particularly the 70 mph ones. However, all they did was replace existing signs, so you can still go several miles on I-475 and I-75, including past multiple exits, without being informed what the correct speed limit is (contra the MUTCD). Nor did they install any advance warning of the speed limit drops.
Plus they screwed up and made I-75 northbound 70 mph all the way past US 80 (which is what their press people told the local media in Macon) but posted 60 mph southbound to US 41/GA 247 south.
I-16 was also increased to 65 mph from MM 0 to MM 2 (the former 55 mph zone), and then 70 mph from MM 2 to the Bibb County line (former 65 zone). I-475 is now 70 mph end-to-end, as is I-75 through Forsyth.
As for I-75 Atlanta-ward, at least last week I-75 NB was still dropping to 55 mph at Holiday Blvd in Clayton County, and then jumping back up to 65 mph just inside the perimeter - again, with no intervening speed limit signs, despite several interchanges.
Thank you both. I hope the speed limit increases on Interstate 20 east of Interstate 285/Atlanta Bypass on the eastern side of the Atlanta metro area. It may be posted at 55 mph, but traffic rarely drops below 70 mph to the east (6-8 lanes) or below 65 mph to the west into downtown Atlanta (8-10 lanes).
Quote from: xcellntbuy on January 31, 2015, 04:56:29 PM
Thank you both. I hope the speed limit increases on Interstate 20 east of Interstate 285/Atlanta Bypass on the eastern side of the Atlanta metro area. It may be posted at 55 mph, but traffic rarely drops below 70 mph to the east (6-8 lanes) or below 65 mph to the west into downtown Atlanta (8-10 lanes).
According to the link, I-20 will go to 65 mph east of Candler Road (GA 151) to the DeKalb/Rockdale line, and then 70 mph throughout Rockdale County.
I saw these new increased speed limits today on I-75 north of Howell Mill, as the article mentioned.
As currently implemented, on I-75 southbound near Windy Hill, drivers are greeted with a "Reduced Speed Ahead" notification, followed by (directly across from each other) a SPEED LIMIT 65 sign on the left side and a SPEED LIMIT 55 sign on the right side. Good thing everyone already does 70 right there anyway, so there should be no problems.
Quote from: lordsutch on January 31, 2015, 05:34:14 PM
According to the link, I-20 will go to 65 mph east of Candler Road (GA 151) to the DeKalb/Rockdale line, and then 70 mph throughout Rockdale County.
If I'm reading it correctly (http://archive.11alive.com/assetpool/documents/150120044529_DEKALB%20Co.pdf), it actually looks it will jump to 70 mph at Snapfinger Creek, which is about halfway between the Wesley Chapel and Panola Road exits.
Quote from: NE2 on January 29, 2015, 09:49:37 PM
How is "a new 6-cents-per-gallon local excise tax on gasoline" not a tax? Thanks, liberal media!
Excise tax increase on gasoline...isn't that what Pennsylvania did about a year and a half ago? If it is, then gas prices in Georgia will increase.
Quote from: afone on January 30, 2015, 04:32:42 AM
QuoteMajor features of the project include a new on-ramp to the northbound perimeter aligned with Barnett Shoals Road, additional lanes on Lexington Road in the area of the perimeter, and elimination of the left-turn option from westbound Lexington Road to the northbound lanes of the perimeter.
http://onlineathens.com/breaking-news/2015-01-29/proposed-dot-plan-would-ease-congestion-lexington-road-interchange-athens
Ohhh shit!
HALLELUJAH (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xemLz_fR1Ac)! :clap:
That's the interchange I use the most, and I hate hate HATE the way traffic piles into the left lane on Lexington Road westbound past Winterville Road. You have three left turns in the span of a quarter of a mile: Barnett Shoals Road and the two Perimeter on-ramps. And the left-turn lane for the "outer" (northbound) Perimeter is only about 100 feet beyond the left-turn lane for Barnett Shoals Road, which means that it's too short to handle the traffic it gets. As a result, traffic heading for the "outer" Perimeter often backs up into the intersection between Lexington Road and Barnett Shoals Road, and even clear into the left westbound lane on Lexington sometimes if there's more than one 18-wheeler in line.
Another big problem with that intersection is that all traffic on the "outer" off-ramp has to use Lexington Road to get to Barnett Shoals Road, which not only requires Barnett Shoals-bound traffic to pass through two traffic signals in only about 100 feet, but also dumps it in with traffic staying on Lexington Road, which means that if there's even one car in the right lane on Lexington Road eastbound that's waiting at a red light and not turning onto Barnett Shoals Road, then nobody can. As a result, there's always a big tangle of traffic at the end of the off-ramp. What they need there is a separate lane to take traffic from the off-ramp directly to Barnett Shoals without having to deal with any traffic signals.
The new "outer" on-ramp and my idea for a separate lane from the "outer" off-ramp to Barnett Shoals Road will instantly make traffic near the interchange more manageable.
Quote from: Gnutella on February 01, 2015, 02:48:06 AM
Quote from: NE2 on January 29, 2015, 09:49:37 PM
How is "a new 6-cents-per-gallon local excise tax on gasoline" not a tax? Thanks, liberal media!
Excise tax increase on gasoline...isn't that what Pennsylvania did about a year and a half ago? If it is, then gas prices in Georgia will increase.
My understanding is that the legislature plans to replace the SPLOST (Special Purpose Local Option Sales Tax, a local sales tax that is imposed on everything) on gasoline with this excise tax when the SPLOSTs expire. So it should be largely neutral in terms of gasoline taxation, at least based on current gas prices, but the local governments will not make as much from the SPLOST in the future if they vote to extend it (which almost always happens), since future SPLOSTs, like other sales taxes, will no longer apply to gasoline.
Quote from: Gnutella on February 01, 2015, 02:48:06 AMQuote from: afone on January 30, 2015, 04:32:42 AM
QuoteMajor features of the project include a new on-ramp to the northbound perimeter aligned with Barnett Shoals Road, additional lanes on Lexington Road in the area of the perimeter, and elimination of the left-turn option from westbound Lexington Road to the northbound lanes of the perimeter.
http://onlineathens.com/breaking-news/2015-01-29/proposed-dot-plan-would-ease-congestion-lexington-road-interchange-athens
Ohhh shit! HALLELUJAH (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xemLz_fR1Ac)! :clap:
That's the interchange I use the most, and I hate hate HATE the way traffic piles into the left lane on Lexington Road westbound past Winterville Road. You have three left turns in the span of a quarter of a mile: Barnett Shoals Road and the two Perimeter on-ramps. And the left-turn lane for the "outer" (northbound) Perimeter is only about 100 feet beyond the left-turn lane for Barnett Shoals Road, which means that it's too short to handle the traffic it gets. As a result, traffic heading for the "outer" Perimeter often backs up into the intersection between Lexington Road and Barnett Shoals Road, and even clear into the left westbound lane on Lexington sometimes if there's more than one 18-wheeler in line.
Another big problem with that intersection is that all traffic on the "outer" off-ramp has to use Lexington Road to get to Barnett Shoals Road, which not only requires Barnett Shoals-bound traffic to pass through two traffic signals in only about 100 feet, but also dumps it in with traffic staying on Lexington Road, which means that if there's even one car in the right lane on Lexington Road eastbound that's waiting at a red light and not turning onto Barnett Shoals Road, then nobody can. As a result, there's always a big tangle of traffic at the end of the off-ramp. What they need there is a separate lane to take traffic from the off-ramp directly to Barnett Shoals without having to deal with any traffic signals.
The new "outer" on-ramp and my idea for a separate lane from the "outer" off-ramp to Barnett Shoals Road will instantly make traffic near the interchange more manageable.
I worked on that assisted living place on Barnett Shoals about a mile to the south, and field designed and built that funkadelic wheelchair ramp there. Yes, that intersection was a good one to avoid at rush hour.Sounds like a lot of money for not much new stuff, and like it'll still leave the situation of the offramp dumping onto Lexington Road way too close to Barnett Shoals (that's even if they build your little ramp). I wish the reporter had taken a photo of the plan to go with the article. :rolleyes:
I imagined a multilane roundabout there. Wouldn't that have been a hoot? :-D
The DDI at I-95/SR-21 goes out to bid this summer.
http://www.effinghamherald.net/section/1/article/29529/
Two new roundabouts in central Georgia have been (mostly) finished in the last month; GA 247 Connector in Byron by the new Peach County Medical Center (just west of I-75) and GA 74 at Lower Thomaston Road west of Macon. The US 80 roundabout at Holley Road west of Macon is also, slowly but surely, coming to fruition.
Not sure if it's a contractor error or yet another new wave of GDOT thinking, perhaps aping AHTD, but they signed the GA 247 Connector with "247C" in a Georgia shield, rather than with either a CONN banner (the more recent style) or tiny unreadable print in the shield (the old style). Hard to make out due to the light at the time I was taking photos, but here's an example: http://mapillary.com/map/im/Qqr5OERvNjyFdE93sU58-Q
^^^Thanks, Lordsutch! Signing connector routes in a readable manner is ludicrously overdue. That said, in the case of GA 247, I'd prefer that they assigned it a proper number befitting its status as a short but important, mostly multilane route.
Yesterday I drove I-75 from Kennesaw to Atlanta for the first time in a while. It appears that all of the hammerhead piers for the reversible lanes that would be in this zoomed view of the GA 5 interchange (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.9840023,-84.5430169,641m/data=!3m1!1e3) are completed, and precast beams have been placed for two of the spans. I see little evidence of progress elsewhere on the two lane segment until the Windy Hill- I-285 area. They'res also some work started on the at-grade lane north of I-575.
My phone was dead, so I'll spare you my usual crappy photos.
I was looking at few projects along I-85 at GDOT's website and it seems I-85N from Old Peachtree Road to the SC state line will be a giant construction zone for the next 15 years!
Here's a breakdown of the projects.
(Project I.D. 110600) First, the HOT lanes on I-85 will be extended, beginning this fall, from Old Peachtree to Hamilton Mill Road. New APL signs will be placed at the I-85/985 split. Here's some displays of what the project will look like:
http://por.dot.ga.gov/projectInfo/110600-/JPG/DisplayBoard1.pdf, http://por.dot.ga.gov/projectInfo/110600-/JPG/DisplayBoard2.pdf, http://por.dot.ga.gov/projectInfo/110600-/JPG/DisplayBoard3.pdf, http://por.dot.ga.gov/projectInfo/110600-/JPG/DisplayBoard4.pdf, http://por.dot.ga.gov/projectInfo/110600-/JPG/DisplayBoard5.pdf, http://por.dot.ga.gov/projectInfo/110600-/JPG/DisplayBoard6.pdf,http://por.dot.ga.gov/projectInfo/110600-/JPG/DisplayBoard7.pdf, http://por.dot.ga.gov/projectInfo/110600-/JPG/DisplayBoard%208.pdf
(Project I.D. 0012698)This project will add an interchange at S.R. 324 (Grave Springs Road). Work will begin in 2019.
(Project I.D. 110610)The next project will extend the HOT lanes along I-85 from Hamilton Mill Road to S.R. 211. It will begin in 2019.
https://gtas.dot.ga.gov/110610-/Concept%20Report/110610-_CRAPPROVED.pdf
(Project I.D. 110620) This project will widen I-85 from S.R. 211 to S.R. 53, a distance of 3.3 miles, from 4 to 6 lanes. The project will cost $44 million and begin in 2021.
https://gtas.dot.ga.gov/110620-/Concept%20Report/110620-_REVCR_Apr2008.pdf
(Project I.D. 110630) This project will widen I-85 from 4 to 6 lanes between S.R. 53 and U.S. 129/S.R. 11, a distance of 8 miles. Work will begin in 2020 and cost $76 million.
https://gtas.dot.ga.gov/110630-/Concept%20Report/110630-_REVCR_FEB2013.pdf
(Project I.D. 110640)This project will widening I-85 from 4 to 6 lanes between S.R. 11 and S.R. 82, a distance of 3.7 miles. It will cost $40.8 million and begin construction in 2021.
https://gtas.dot.ga.gov/110640-/Concept%20Report/Revisions/110640-_REV_Apr08.pdf
(Project I.D. 110650)This project will begin in 2022 and widen I-85 between S.R. 82 and S.R. 98, a distance of 6 miles and at a cost of $71.4 million.
https://gtas.dot.ga.gov/110650-/Concept%20Report/Revisions/110650-_REV_Apr08.pdf
(Project I.D. 110660)This project will begin in 2023 and widen I-85 between S.R. 98 and S.R. 15. It will cost $37.3 million
https://gtas.dot.ga.gov/110660-/Concept%20Report/Revisions/110660-_REV_Apr08.pdf
(Project I.D. 110670)This project will begin in 2024. It will widen I-85 between U.S. 441 and S.R. 63, a distance of 4.5 miles. Total cost for this project is $72.3 million.
https://gtas.dot.ga.gov/110670-/Concept%20Report/Revisions/110670-_REV_Apr08.pdf
(Project I.D. 110680)This project will widen I-85 between S.R. 63 and S.R. 51, a distance of 6 miles. Construction will begin in 2025 and cost $73.6 million.
https://gtas.dot.ga.gov/110680-/Concept%20Report/Revisions/110680-_REV_Apr08.pdf
(Project I.D. 110690)This project will widen I-85 between S.R. 51 and S.R. 320, a distance of 4.4 miles. Construction starts in 2026 at a cost of $63 million.
https://gtas.dot.ga.gov/110690-/Concept%20Report/Revisions/110690-_REV_Apr08.pdf
(Project I.D. 110700)This project will widen I-85 between S.R. 320 and S.R. 17, a distance of 9.1 miles. Work will begin in 2027 at a cost of $129 million.
https://gtas.dot.ga.gov/110700-/Concept%20Report/Revisions/110700-_REV_Apr08.pdf
(Project I.D. 110710)This will be the final project along I-85, it begins at S.R. 17 and goes to the South Carolina state line. Construction will begin in 2028 at a cost of $108 million.
http://por.dot.ga.gov/projectInfo/110710-/JPG/ConceptDisplay01.pdf, http://por.dot.ga.gov/projectInfo/110710-/JPG/ConceptDisplay02.pdf, http://por.dot.ga.gov/projectInfo/110710-/JPG/ConceptDisplay03.pdf, http://por.dot.ga.gov/projectInfo/110710-/JPG/ConceptDisplay04.pdf, http://por.dot.ga.gov/projectInfo/110710-/JPG/ConceptDisplay05.pdf, http://por.dot.ga.gov/projectInfo/110710-/JPG/ConceptDisplay06.pdf
A bonus project, the Sugarloaf Parkway extension, Phase II and III. Phase II will be a freeway extension and is 8.3 miles long. It will extend from S.R. 316 to S.R. 20. It will cost $186 million. No date for construction has been set yet.
https://gtas.dot.ga.gov/0006924/Concept%20Report/0006924%20&%200006925_CR_MAY2013.pdf
Phase III will be a 4.1 mile freeway extension. It will run between S.R. 20 and Peachtree Industrial Blvd. Total cost is $117 million.
Quote from: afone on February 14, 2015, 03:09:22 PM
I was looking at few projects along I-85 at GDOT's website and it seems I-85N from Old Peachtree Road to the SC state line will be a giant construction zone for the next 15 years!
Wow, thanks! This stuff is far more interesting than I thought it would be. First stab at a tl;dr,(edit) starting with the rural widening northward from Hamilton Mill Road:
The overall concept is for an almost-full-standard six lane freeway with a concrete CSB, and with all existing pavement removed and replaced with concrete, like I-20 north of Augusta (the finished product will also resemble most of I-475, though IIRC the old pavement there was overlaid with asphalt rather than replaced with concrete). Typically, the existing right shoulder will need to be widened and in some cases milled down 4 1/2 inches or more and repaved for use as a construction detour.
Apparently GDOT's original intent was to widen directly to eight lanes (at least on the southern portions-- I haven't read everything yet) and to remove and replace the remaining legacy bridges over I-85. FHWA wouldn't go for that, though, so... The only design exception requested consistently is for reduced left shoulder width of 9'-10" under those bridges. Unsurprisingly, the traffic projections for the southernmost sections project that six lanes will operate at LOS F by 2021 or so. :rolleyes:
Another thing I wasn't aware of: The K factor standard for Interstate profiles was increased in 2004, and these widening/reconstuction projects will bring the highway to current standards. This leads to a tidbit like this from FHWA:
"Please evaluate the option of raising SR 332 in the design phase (as opposed to lowering the Interstate profile)."
DUH, YA THINK?!?!?! :-D
If they're completely rebuilding the road anyway, I doubt that it makes much difference for either cost or constructablity. Maybe FHWA wants a cursory analysis for procedural reasons even though everyone already knows what the results will be.
More on this later...
More project news, this time for the U.S. 411 connector:(Project I.D. 661950)
This 7.31 mile freeway will run from the U.S. 411/U.S. 41 intersection to new interchange at I-75 and Old Grassdale Road. The project will start in 2019 and cost $157.8 million.
http://www.dot.ga.gov/projects/transpi/Pages/TransPi.aspx?ProjectID=661950-
http://johndruckenmiller.com/new-route-exit-for-411-connector-gains-speed-in-northwest-georgia/
It looks like the Georgia General Assembly found some money.
Interstate 75 south of Macon is getting very rough. I do not know if it has been our recent cold spells in middle Georgia but, the concrete feels like a thousand steps and the asphalt sections show a lot of heavy wear, irrespective of 6-, 8- or 10 lanes.
Xcellntbuy, I-75 was recently reconstructed in southern Houston and Dooly Counties. I agree with though that I-75 needs to be rebuilt in Peach County.
The Peach County area is one of the areas definitely in need. Eight lanes would be a good idea, too!
I know long term, GDOT does have plans to widen I-75 to eight lanes from Sardis Church to GA-247.
That particular area of Interstate 75 could certainly use two extra lanes.
TRIP's annual report on the state of Georgia's roads: http://www.tripnet.org/docs/GA_Transportation_by_the_Numbers_TRIP_Report_Feb_2015.pdf
Quote from: lordsutch on February 11, 2015, 11:55:46 PM
The US 80 roundabout at Holley Road west of Macon is also, slowly but surely, coming to fruition.
It's now mostly open, although the northern leg is still under construction to bring Holley Road up to the new grade.
Next up locally is either US 80 at Fulton Mill, which will be a multilane job since it's just east of where the four-lane section begins, or US 23 at GA 18 in Monroe County near Juliette and Plant Scherer.
QuoteThe $36.2 million project resumed last spring, incorporating a new process that uses water to adequately cool fresh concrete while it cures and should address the problem. The bridge is 50 percent complete with an expected finish date of March 2017.
The Price-Legg Bridge, which carries about 5,850 vehicles a day across the Little River into Evans on Georgia Highway 47, is now considered only "functionally obsolete," and the state began a $24.1 million effort in November to replace the overpass by Aug. 21, 2016, Collins said.
It is 18 percent complete, online records show.
http://chronicle.augusta.com/latest-news/2015-02-24/decade-old-projects-fix-bridges-moving-forward?v=1424832280
The Georgia House today approved the transportation bill....
QuoteLegislation aimed at raising nearly $900 million a year for transportation improvements in Georgia cleared a major hurdle Thursday when it passed the state House of Representatives.
The House voted 123-45 to pass the bill and send it on to the Georgia Senate after lawmakers rejected an amendment proposed by two key Republican leaders that would have reduced its revenue impact to about $500 million.
"I believe the need is there to get to $1 billion," said House Transportation Committee Chairman Jay Roberts, R-Ocilla, in urging his legislative colleagues to reject the amendment offered by Majority Leader Larry O'Neal, R-Bonaire, and Majority Whip Matt Ramsey, R-Peachtree City. "If we pass that amendment, we'll be reaching about half our goal."
http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/blog/capitol_vision/2015/03/georgia-house-passes-comprehensive-transportation.html
Quote from: afone on March 05, 2015, 06:01:48 PM
The Georgia House today approved the transportation bill....
QuoteLegislation aimed at raising nearly $900 million a year for transportation improvements in Georgia cleared a major hurdle Thursday when it passed the state House of Representatives.
The House voted 123-45 to pass the bill and send it on to the Georgia Senate after lawmakers rejected an amendment proposed by two key Republican leaders that would have reduced its revenue impact to about $500 million.
"I believe the need is there to get to $1 billion," said House Transportation Committee Chairman Jay Roberts, R-Ocilla, in urging his legislative colleagues to reject the amendment offered by Majority Leader Larry O'Neal, R-Bonaire, and Majority Whip Matt Ramsey, R-Peachtree City. "If we pass that amendment, we'll be reaching about half our goal."
http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/blog/capitol_vision/2015/03/georgia-house-passes-comprehensive-transportation.html
I must be missing something-- except for the gratuitous hippie-bashing of the electric vehicles stuff, this seems like it might be defensible public policy out of the Georgia legislature. Will wonders never cease?
The new I-85/Poplar road interchange project is inching closer to reality....
QuoteThe interchange on Interstate 85 at Poplar Road continues to edge closer to reality. The Coweta County Commission on March 3 approved a state-required request to have traffic signals in the new intersection where construction is expected to begin in early-mid 2016.
County Administrator Michael Fouts said plans for the Poplar Road Interchange include traffic signals at the northbound and southbound ramps on Poplar Road.
"These signals would be owned and maintained by the Georgia Department of Transportation but Coweta County would be responsible for the ongoing monthly costs of power and communication service for these signals once they are completed under the project and accepted by GDOT," Fouts said in a Feb. 24 letter.
The monthly cost of operating the lights is expected to be $50-60, said Fouts.
The state requirement to request that the traffic signals be installed is a next step in the process that will lead to the construction of the I-85 interchange at Poplar Road.
The long-anticipated interchange continues to move closer the reality. Fouts said right-of-way acquisition for the project is expected to be completed in late 2015 with construction expected to begin in early or mid-2016.
The project is expected to be completed with the interchange open during the 2017-2018 time frame.
http://thecitizen.com/government-county/new-coweta-i-85-exit-moving-ahead
GDOT's contractor has put up the advanced warning signs for the new Union Grove Road interchange in Calhoun.
The signs were still covered up Sunday afternoon but "Un" was visible
Looks like TSPLOST may make a comeback...
QuoteLegislation approved by the Senate Transportation Committee Wednesday would give local elected officials in the regions where voters rejected the TSPLOST in 2012 until January 2017 to schedule a new referendum on a 1-cent sales tax increase to pay for transportation projects inside those regions. The tax would be collected over 10 years.
In regions that don't take the state up on that option, smaller groups of counties would be free to band together to offer voters a sales hike of up to a penny that would run for five years. The 2012 TSPLOSTs did not offer such a fractional sales tax increase.
http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/blog/capitol_vision/2015/03/georgia-senate-looking-to-revisit-tsplost.html
Whoever assembled the big green signs for the Peter Street/Olympic Drive interchange in Athens fucked up a good number of them. All highway shields are too small, and some are even missing. There's no distance indication to the next exit on a couple of signs. I'll have to take some pictures when I can.
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/state-regional-govt-politics/house-senate-pennies-apart-on-transportation-deal/nkjNp/
Quote from: afone on March 31, 2015, 09:51:24 PM
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/state-regional-govt-politics/house-senate-pennies-apart-on-transportation-deal/nkjNp/
All I can say is, ouch!
A deal has been been reached and Gov. Deal will sign the bill....
http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/blog/capitol_vision/2015/04/gov-deal-to-sign-transportation-funding-bill.html?page=2
Quote from: afone on April 01, 2015, 02:45:11 PM
A deal has been been reached and Gov. Deal will sign the bill....
http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/blog/capitol_vision/2015/04/gov-deal-to-sign-transportation-funding-bill.html?page=2
Talk about dodging a bullet there.
High mast lighting will be added to I-75 between Pierce Avenue and Arkwright Road
http://www.macon.com/2015/04/16/3697527/input-sought-on-i-75-lighting.html
QuoteSAVANNAH, Ga. (WJCL) – The Georgia Department of Transportation is more than half way done with the Jimmy Deloach Connector project.
Neighbors say this is a long time coming. Neighbors say they see standstill traffic every weekday.
GDOT is trying to alleviate those frustrations. Officials said the project will help put a lot of the truck traffic on Highway 21 onto Jimmy Deloach.
"It's frustrating for everybody in the area," said neighbor Tony Stephens.
He drives on Highway 21 just about every day. He said it's frustrating to constantly sit in bumper-to-bumper traffic during rush hour.
"The road rage is getting kinda bad," said Stephens. "My commute from President Street to Rincon could be from 45 minutes to an hour and a half."
GDOT said once the Jimmy Deloach project is finished, traffic should be minimal.
"It's a way to get the truck traffic from I-95 to the ports in a safer manner for not only truck traffic but commuter traffic," said Jill Nagel, with GDOT.
The project will connect Jimmy Deloach and extend it to State Route 307.
It's about 66 percent complete.
"If you've ever been on 21 during rush hour, the trucks are trying to get on 307 off 21, so this will alleviate a lot of that congestion," said Nagel.
Officials said the project will be complete summer of 2016.
http://wjcl.com/2015/05/03/gdot-more-than-half-way-done-on-jimmy-deloach-project/
Here in Athens, it appears that they're building a new bridge(s?) for College Station Road over the Oconee River. If you're heading toward the University of Georgia, the work site is off to the right, which means that the curve on the west bank of the river might not be as tight when it's all said and done.
Hall County approved their 2040 long range transportation plan....
QuoteTop elected officials gave their final approval of a long-range, $1.77 billion transportation plan for the Hall County area Tuesday.
The Gainesville-Hall Regional Transportation Plan update covers projects that will be done in three time frames: 2015-23, 2024-32 and 2033-40.
Key short-term projects include widening Spout Springs Road in South Hall, building the Sardis Road Connector in Northwest Hall and construction of a new Interstate 985 exit between Oakwood and Flowery Branch.
http://www.gainesvilletimes.com/section/6/article/109681/
GDOT is spending a $100 million bond on replacing obsolete bridges across the state..
http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/blog/capitol_vision/2015/05/georgia-transportation-bond-money-going-to-bridge.html
I wasn't able to get any pictures, but when I went to Cumming the other day, I noticed that construction on GA 20 is progressing very rapidly near the eastern end of the zone in Sugar Hill. They now have concrete curbs poured and dirt flattened where the future eastbound lanes are going. The existing alignment in Sugar Hill is where the westbound lanes will go.
As you go west toward Suwanee Dam Road, the existing alignment switches sides to the eastbound side, and they appear to be in the process of grading the land where the future westbound lanes will go. The new bridge over the Chattahoochee River is coming along too, with girders for the eastbound side already in place. The new bridge appears to be higher, with a bit of an arch to it.
In Forsyth County, they appear to have most of the right of way cleared. They have a lot less work to do than Gwinnett County, though. They only have to widen about three miles of highway, versus six miles for Gwinnett County.
Anyway, to catch people up on projects in Athens, I have some pictures of the completed Peter Street/Olympic Drive interchange on the Athens Perimeter that I took about a month and a half ago, as well as some pictures of the new bridge construction on College Station Road that I took about two weeks ago...
The completed interchange at the "outer" exit ramp looks proper.
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Major errors on the "inner" Perimeter signage: What's the distance to the Oconee Street/Lexington Road interchange? And why is the U.S. 78 shield so tiny?
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For that matter, why are all the route shields on these newly-installed signs at the "outer" on-ramp so tiny? And why not include a "TO GA 72 East" trailblazer on the left sign so it can read "Elberton" instead of "To Elberton"?
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The deceleration lane for the "inner" off-ramp is very long, and there appear to be two signs for the Oconee Street/Lexington Road interchange with tiny route shields and no distance indicated.
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Here's an overall view of the construction site for the new College Station Road bridge.
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As you can see, one of the bridge piers is already built, and I'm guessing that the rebar is for the top of the second pier.
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A closer look at the completed pier shows that the top is terraced, which means that the sharp curve at the other end of the bridge will be alleviated by extending the curve onto the bridge itself.
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Definitely some screwy signage. I wonder if the drawings showed it like that...
I also notice that they don't follow Georgia's usual practice of making all the sign panels the same height. I wish they'd done that as policy when they made the other recent changes.
Lots of small shields on the BGS.
Part of the effect comes from Georgia's unusually large destination text, but...yeah, those are small. Looks like they may have used 24" shields (should be 36").
I hope that the signage errors are on the people who fabricated them, because if the errors were present on the blueprints, then it's really bad that nobody noticed. Another thing I noticed on the U.S. 29 North sign is that "NORTH" is not properly kerned. It seems to be a bit off center, and the spacing between the letters isn't consistent.
As for the size of signage on a gantry, I'm not sure what popular opinion is, but I honestly don't care if they're different sizes. If anything, assembling a huge sign for a line or two of text just so it matches the size of an adjacent sign seems like a waste of resources to me.
I was over at GDOT's website looking at the plans for the reconstruction of the John C Calhoun Expressway and the construction of the new concrete median wall along Riverwatch Parkway. I must say I'm glad GDOT is beginning to consider aesthetics when it comes to their projects now. Both project will feature lights similar to the installed along Broad Street. Also heavy landscaping and a new overhead sign directing people to downtown and nearby neighborhoods will be placed along the John Calhoun Expwy. Here are some renderings of those plans:
New overhead sign for John Calhoun Expwy
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8823/18069985461_8a33f2281a_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/twMp8t)johncalhounexpwysign-page-001 (https://flic.kr/p/twMp8t) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
New lighting for John Calhoun
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The median wall for the John Calhoun will be repainted and a decorative fence installed along the top of it
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5445/18043684676_c0fc4c3dd2_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/tusAPE)johncalhounexpwylights2-page-001 (https://flic.kr/p/tusAPE) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
New lighting for Riverwatch Parkway between I-20 and Jones Street
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Here are plans I also found for GDOT's reconstruction of the U.S.27/280/GA 520 and Custer Road interchange at Fort Benning. The new interchange will give people access to Cusseta Road as well.
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The new signage GDOT will install for this project
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I don't understand why GDOT insists on listing their state highways before U.S. highways. The proper order on that "Fort Benning | Columbus" blueprint should be "U.S. 27 | GA 1" under NORTH, and "U.S. 280 | GA 520" under WEST.
In general, I think GDOT should discontinue the practice of cosigning redundant state highways, as every other state with concurrent routes has done. Getting rid of the thousands of redundant signs alone would save a bundle over the long term.
The only concurrent routes I'd keep would be 400 and 520 (and maybe 540 if it ever is signed).
Quote from: Gnutella on May 25, 2015, 11:13:32 AM
I don't understand why GDOT insists on listing their state highways before U.S. highways. The proper order on that "Fort Benning | Columbus" blueprint should be "U.S. 27 | GA 1" under NORTH, and "U.S. 280 | GA 520" under WEST.
That one is strange even for them - they usually do put the US highway first, when they sign the state route at all (which they don't on the majority of BGSes). I'm guessing maybe this had to do with 520 being one of those "special" routes, maybe followed by thinking "if 520's on there, we may as well put 1 on there too". No idea, just pure speculation.
Much more worrying is the fact that they forgot about the capital G in LaGrange.
Here are some drawings of the signs that will be installed for the I-85 express lane extension in Gwinnett County. The project will start this fall and extend the existing HOT lanes 10 miles from Old Peachtree Road to Hamilton Mill Road.
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An OAPL for the I-985 junction? I thought Exit 113 was one lane off I-85 Northbound (at least it used to be).
Actually, another error I noticed on those GDOT sign blueprints for Columbus is that the I-185 North sign should read "LaGrange" instead of "Lagrange."
I can't help but feel that those lowercase "g's" look like q's. Do you have a picture of any signage with a lowercase q?
The Custer Road job has PI number 0011437, doesn't it? I'll check for it the next time I do a TransPI run (I generally try to do one every three to six months).
Quote from: Tom958 on May 23, 2015, 11:07:15 AM
Definitely some screwy signage.
Speaking of screwy signage, I drove down Olympic Drive to the new Perimeter interchange today, and I noticed that there's a simple sign at the "outer" on-ramp directing people to Hull. It's a small rectangular sign that says "Hull" with a right-pointing arrow to the right. The problem is, it's a yellow sign with black text.
Whoever did the sign work for this interchange really fucked a lot of things up. :angry:
Quote from: Gnutella on May 23, 2015, 09:23:53 AM
Here's an overall view of the construction site for the new College Station Road bridge.
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As you can see, one of the bridge piers is already built, and I'm guessing that the rebar is for the top of the second pier.
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"Share the Road," huh? I take it the bridge isn't narrow enough not to be shared now.
Quote from: D-Dey65 on June 08, 2015, 02:50:42 PM"Share the Road," huh? I take it the bridge isn't narrow enough not to be shared now.
There are bike lanes on that segment of College Station Road, but they get pinched off at the bridges because they're not wide enough. I figure there will be enough width on the new bridge(s) to extend the bike lanes.
The U.S. 129 widening in Hall County should start next spring....
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If funding is in place, the U.S. 129/Athens Highway widening project in East Hall could go out for bids later this year, with work starting next spring.
The Georgia Department of Transportation hopes to award the project to a contractor in December, district spokeswoman Teri Pope said.
But the agency "needs federal gas tax funds to build this project," she said.
The federal Highway and Transportation Funding Act of 2015, signed by President Barack Obama on May 29, provides funding only through July.
The short-term funding law has created uncertainty within DOT.
"We are preparing for July (contract) lettings and tentatively for August," DOT spokeswoman Natalie Dale said last week.
At nearly $40 million, the U.S. 129 widening project would likely be Hall County's next big road project. All but five of the 205 parcels of land needed to widen the road have been bought, Pope said.
http://www.gainesvilletimes.com/section/6/article/110353/
Quote from: afguy on June 17, 2015, 01:46:27 AM
The U.S. 129 widening in Hall County should start next spring....
I'm more interested in what, if anything, will happen to 129
north of Gainesville. What a mess!
On an unrelated topic: The I-75-US 41/76 interchange on the north side of Dalton (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.7937422,-85.0012689,602m/data=!3m1!1e3) is getting a new southbound 75 to northbound 41 ramp in addition to an upgrade of the existing southbound to south/eastbound loop ramp. I can't tell in the field if there'll be one exit from 75 or two, and I'm too lazy to look up the project concept report.
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This is in adventurenumber's 'hood. Whatever happened to him? :hmmm:
Quote from: Tom958 on June 17, 2015, 09:56:31 AM
Quote from: afguy on June 17, 2015, 01:46:27 AM
The U.S. 129 widening in Hall County should start next spring....
I'm more interested in what, if anything, will happen to 129 north of Gainesville. What a mess!
On an unrelated topic: The I-75-US 41/76 interchange on the north side of Dalton (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.7937422,-85.0012689,602m/data=!3m1!1e3) is getting a new southbound 75 to northbound 41 ramp in addition to an upgrade of the existing southbound to south/eastbound loop ramp. I can't tell in the field if there'll be one exit from 75 or two, and I'm too lazy to look up the project concept report.
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This is in adventurenumber's 'hood. Whatever happened to him? :hmmm:
From what it seems they are adding a AUX lane for the existing loop ramp and a new ramp so I guess it can be a parclo.
A quick question, since I'll be headed down that way this weekend: Anyone know when the missing piece of the Fall Line Fwy around Milledgeville is scheduled to open? Obviously it won't be open when I drive through there, but I was wondering how far along construction is. I have heard about it opening sometime in 2016, but that was awhile ago and the schedule may have slipped.
Quote from: Thing 342 on June 18, 2015, 04:02:20 PM
A quick question, since I'll be headed down that way this weekend: Anyone know when the missing piece of the Fall Line Fwy around Milledgeville is scheduled to open? Obviously it won't be open when I drive through there, but I was wondering how far along construction is. I have heard about it opening sometime in 2016, but that was awhile ago and the schedule may have slipped.
Last I checked the GDOT Project Tracker said that it is expected to be complete in late 2016. The four-lane along existing GA 24 to the Sandersville bypass I think is due to be completed this summer.
Quote from: Thing 342 on June 18, 2015, 04:02:20 PM
A quick question, since I'll be headed down that way this weekend: Anyone know when the missing piece of the Fall Line Fwy around Milledgeville is scheduled to open? Obviously it won't be open when I drive through there, but I was wondering how far along construction is. I have heard about it opening sometime in 2016, but that was awhile ago and the schedule may have slipped.
GDOT has been plowing clay soil back since I moved here in August 2014. The currently eastern piece of the Fall Line Freeway open south of Milledgeville is supposed to be GA 540 (not signed) and ends at US 441. East of the overpass that has been standing over US 441 is still an occasional busy place, but still no road. Traffic is extremely light on the road.
Thanks guys. Will attempt to get some pictures of construction when I drive down there on Saturday. Is the fastest way around the gap simply to take GA-24 to US-441 through Milledgeville? Trying to get Google Maps to route that way takes a bit of coaxing.
Quote from: Thing 342 on June 18, 2015, 08:14:38 PM
Thanks guys. Will attempt to get some pictures of construction when I drive down there on Saturday. Is the fastest way around the gap simply to take GA-24 to US-441 through Milledgeville? Trying to get Google Maps to route that way takes a bit of coaxing.
If you are coming over from Sandersville (kaolin clay capital of the world) on the east side of Milledgeville, yes, most likely. GA 57 is too far (20 miles) south of Milledgeville in Irwinton when GA 57 intersects with US 441/GA 29. Nice quiet area to go for a ride.
Not totally sure if this qualifies as news, but I discovered a new state route last night that I had no idea existed.
On our way home from the Braves game, we got off I-20 eastbound at exit 59B, which is signed as "TO Memorial Dr/Glenwood Ave". When I saw this sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.742934,-84.358347,3a,30y,89.76h,86.04t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfmaEHHgjAmAsfmSq6CbYyA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) at the end of the ramp, I thought "surely that should say TO rather than NORTH, and 154's an east-west route through here anyway".
After making the left turn and seeing the reassurance marker (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.744388,-84.358247,3a,75y,357.32h,73.84t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sMOpdx2fWWXhBi2zRTmSGzA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) after the I-20 west ramp, only then did I notice the "CONN" crammed into the shield.
The idea that there would be a route this close to where I live that I'd never even heard of before seemed strange, so I got home and checked the maps. Sure enough, official GDOT maps would seem to indicate that this is indeed a new route:
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See that otherwise-unlabeled black line heading south from the 154 marker on the 2015-16 map? That would be it, and you'll see that it's not there in the previous edition. So there you go, the (apparently) new SR 154 Connector.
Quote"After months of discussion and a lot of cooperation from chairmen and ranking members, and staffs and members from both sides of the aisle, I'm happy to announce that Sen. Boxer and I have an agreement for a multi-year, bipartisan highway bill."
That announcement came today from U.S. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell on the Senate floor regarding the bipartisan Drive Act.
The six-year bill has three years of guaranteed funding for the highway trust fund, which is on a crash course to insolvency after July 31 (when the current short-term funding extension expires).
Just last week, the U.S. Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx warned Georgia transportation officials that the federal government won't be able to meet its financial obligations to states after Aug. 1.
http://commuting.blog.ajc.com/2015/07/21/u-s-senate-leaders-announce-agreement-on-6-year-highway-bill/
The new exit 14 on I-985 is being held up by the fed funding situation....
QuoteA new Interstate 985 interchange between Flowery Branch and Oakwood is behind schedule because of uncertainty over federal highway funding – a debate that's expected to drag on this week in Congress.
"With only short-term extensions of transportation authorization, it is hard to plan projects of this magnitude," said Sam Baker, senior transportation planner for the Gainesville-Hall Metropolitan Planning Organization, the area's main road planning agency.
"We'll just have to wait and see how the transportation legislation at the federal level pans out for this project to move forward," he said.
The MPO's recently approved Regional Transportation Plan calls for construction of the interchange in the Martin Road area of Ga. 13/Falcon Parkway by 2023.
The $43.3 million Exit 14, as it has been called, is expected to relieve traffic at the Spout Springs Road and Ga. 53/Mundy Mill Road interchanges south and north of it, respectively.
http://www.gainesvilletimes.com/section/6/article/111084/
Actually, reading between the lines of DOT-speak, I read that as: "This is really a project that wasn't a real priority of ours and we are grateful that the Feds have provided themselves as an excuse to get out of doing it in the short-term."
This article (http://www.knoxnews.com/business/appalachian-regional-port-created-for-north-georgia_11834955) reports that a new inland Appalachian Regional Port is scheduled to open near Chatsworth off of I-75, with the hoped-for benefit that it will take some trucks off of I-75 in the Atlanta area:
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A new inland Appalachian Regional Port – which will feature a railroad terminal but no water – will open just off Interstate 75 in north Georgia by 2018, and will be used to funnel goods produced in East Tennessee, north Georgia, Alabama and parts of Kentucky to the deepwater port of Savannah, Ga.
At the new port, in Chatsworth, Ga., about 40,000 tractor-trailer loads annually of vehicles, auto parts and other manufactured goods will be put on CSX rail cars for the journey to Savannah, taking that number of the big trucks off I-75 through the Atlanta area and helping to relieve traffic congestion, Georgia officials said after a ceremony Tuesday to sign documents to get the project underway ....
Cars from the Volkswagen plant in Chattanooga, and auto parts from numerous manufacturers in the Knoxville and Nashville areas are expected to be primary commodities that will find their way onto the CSX intermodal trains. The container trailers will be loaded at the Chatsworth port and taken to Savannah, where they will be transferred to ships ....
The facility, to be operated by the Georgia Ports Authority, is intended to deliver finished goods more efficiently to the authority's Garden City Terminal, the second-busiest container port on the East Coast after New York-New Jersey.
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In a way, this can be viewed as a multimodal version of Corridor A from the Third Infantry Division Highway ("I-3") study (http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/section_1927/3rd_infantry_highway/report_to_congress/report03.cfm#s37) from a few years ago:
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I like that concept, even though it wont happen within the next 20 years. I like that Its a Total plan of Alternate routes to get to Florida or for Florida residents to travel up north while avoiding the Traffic around Atlanta. Not to mention the Carolinas, Georgia, Tennessee and Alabama is growing exponentially due to the fact that so many jobs are relocating from the West Coast/Northeast/Midwest out to many of the areas in that map.
Chatsworth is a pretty good ways away from 75, I will be curious what route the trucks will take to drop off the cargo containers.
US 76 is a four lane between Dalton and Chatsworth, but it would require some improvements to facilitate the truck traffic to and from there. The railroad is also on the east side of Chatsworth, which makes things a little more difficult to get to from I-75.
In the middle of a hot Georgia summer, hell has frozen over: Georgia's decades-old policy of making all signs on a given gantry the same height (h/t afone (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=204.msg2038753#msg2038753))has been broken by this sign and its brother just upstream.
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OK, full disclosure: this one's been here for years and I never noticed the relatively small difference in size because I'm such a slacker. I took both photos on foot from the Akers Mill Road bridge, btw.
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I'm totally in favor of the new policy if in fact the policy has been changed. That said, it seems really strange to change policy midway through the current huge signage replacement program. Speaking of which, there are yet-to-be-installed signs for the Downtown Connector stockpiled nearby, including a blue one for Grady Hospital and another APL for I don't know where.
That policy really on works for California where the sign height is limited anyway. With Georgia, you had signs just containing a destination legend and an arrow being sized to other more complex signs resulting in a ton of green-space.
I like that Georgia is going back to FHWA E-series modified as well as going away from full-width exit tabs.
GDOT has recently completed and released the results of their I-75 South corridor study. The study looked at improvements to I-75 between South Metro Atlanta and Warner Robins. I believe overall the recommended projects will improve the traffic flow along this important corridor.
GDOT broke the projects and proposed improvements into sections. Here's the breakdown:
Exits 216-188
-Add turn lanes to the NB SR 155 exit ramp
-Add turn lanes to the SB Bill Gardner Pkwy exit ramp
-Add auxiliary lanes to I-75 between SR 155 and Bill Gardner Pkwy
-Widen I-75 from Bill Gardner Pkwy(exit 212) to SR 42(exit 188)
Exits 185-177
-Add auxiliary lanes to SB I-75 between the SR 18 ramps and the Rumble Road ramps
-Add auxiliary lane to SB I-75 between the Rumble Road ramps and the I-475 north ramps
Exits 172-167
-Add turn lanes to the Bass Road exit ramps
-Reconstruct the Bass Road interchange
-Add auxiliary lanes between the Bass Rd and Riverside Dr exits
-Add signals and turn lanes to the Riverside Dr interchange
-Add auxiliary lanes between Riverside Dr and Arkwright road
-Add turn lanes to Pierce Avenue exit
Exit 165
Rebuild and widen I-16/I-75 interchange
Exits 164-160 A/B
-Add turn lanes to Forsyth Street exit ramps
-Add auxiliary lanes between Forsyth St and Mercer University Dr
-Add signals to the Mercer University Dr exit
-Add auxiliary lanes between Mercer University Dr and Eisenhower Pkwy
-Add traffic signals to the Eisenhower Pkwy NB ramp
-Add auxiliary lanes between Eisenhower Pkwy and Pio Nono
-Add traffic signals to the Pio Nono exit
Exits 153-146
-Widen I-75 from south of Sardis Church Road to Watson Blvd.
For a detailed report on the I-75 South corridor, click here:http://www.dot.ga.gov/BuildSmart/Studies/I75StudyDocuments/I-75South/I75-SteeringCommitteePresentation-6-30-15.pdf (http://www.dot.ga.gov/BuildSmart/Studies/I75StudyDocuments/I-75South/I75-SteeringCommitteePresentation-6-30-15.pdf)
I-16 and I-75 interchange has been planned for a while, so hopefully since the ROW is now being purchased that long needed project can begin but without too badly effecting the historic tracts around the interchange.
That I-75 project seems very ambitious! I assume that they will do the aforementioned sections in phases, instead of doing all 70 miles at once?
Overall it strikes me as a sensible plan, effectively eight-laning I-75 between the end of the managed lanes and I-475, and one that can be accomplished largely incrementally as funding is available. The Bass Road improvements are desperately needed, as is some signalization at the US 23 interchange due to the huge commercial growth in that area.
I'm not sure the work in Macon south of I-16 is as urgent, although the close interchanges through there do create some weaving issues for traffic. South of Sardis Church the extra lane is badly needed, particularly on the sustained uphill grades between Sardis Church and GA 49 (I'd almost add a truck climbing lane in addition to the fourth through lane in each direction, since a lot of the truck traffic has trouble sustaining 70 mph on the grades).
Lastly I believe the first phase of the I-75/I-16 interchange work is programmed for FY2017, so it should finally start happening.
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Overall it strikes me as a sensible plan...
I'm utterly confused by these "auxiliary lanes." I know what auxiliary lanes are-- they're all over the place in Atlanta where high volumes and short interchange spacings create a capacity and operational warrant for them. But now they're supposedly appropriate for rural interchanges spaced four miles apart? And what are these things, anyway? Between GA 16 and Bill Gardner, auxiliary lanes are to cost $28m while widening is $316m? Does that make sense to you? It surely doesn't to me. Maybe they're just rebuilt shoulders like the ones on 400. If so, though, why not run them through the interchanges? Unlike on 400, there's room, since most of the interchange bridges have already been widened. As far as that goes, horizontal clearance issues ought to be more pronounced
between interchanges.
And, what about pavement durability issues? Throughout Georgia, Interstate pavements are being fully removed and replaced. How is that supposed to work with the proposed interim auxiliary lanes? Or does I-75 not need to have its pavement replaced? Perhaps the same magic could be worked on other Georgia Interstates. I'm just sayin.' :confused:
There must be credible answers to these and other questions. Must be in some other report.
Quote from: Tom958 on August 08, 2015, 05:50:08 PM
I'm utterly confused by these "auxiliary lanes." I know what auxiliary lanes are-- they're all over the place in Atlanta where high volumes and short interchange spacings create a capacity and operational warrant for them. But now they're supposedly appropriate for rural interchanges spaced four miles apart? And what are these things, anyway? Between GA 16 and Bill Gardner, auxiliary lanes are to cost $28m while widening is $316m? Does that make sense to you? It surely doesn't to me. Maybe they're just rebuilt shoulders like the ones on 400. If so, though, why not run them through the interchanges? Unlike on 400, there's room, since most of the interchange bridges have already been widened. As far as that goes, horizontal clearance issues ought to be more pronounced between interchanges.
My understanding is that FHWA/AASHTO standards allow a reduced inner shoulder on sections of highway with auxiliary lanes (remember, the existing 3+ lane sections have a full-width shoulder on both sides), and reconstructing the inner shoulder into a new 'fourth lane' to carry car and bus traffic only, since trucks are already banned from the left lane, is much cheaper than adding a full-depth lane on the outside or inside.
Another big cost difference is likely the overpasses; unlike the underpasses that were rebuilt to allow a 8-lane cross section when the initial 6-laning was done, I think GDOT left most of the old overpasses in place since there was sufficient room for 6 lanes + shoulders (see e.g. here (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.3137973,-84.1173835,186m/data=!3m1!1e3)). Squeezing in another 12' lane while retaining full shoulders on both sides may just be impossible. On the other hand, stealing a few feet from each shoulder will allow adding another through traffic lane fairly easily.
Not buyin' it (before I get too far into bitching, my beef is with GDOT for not presenting believable information, not with you for trying to make sense of it), the main reason being that that section of I-75 is utterly typical in configuration. Similar sections have been widened in a variety on ways starting in the '70's and continuing right up until the recent I-85 widening south of Newnan (which has eight lanes with narrow left shoulders just like, say, the vast majority of I-285), and there's never been a harebrained scheme like adding "auxiliary lanes" between widely spaced rural interchanges before. Without knowing, I don't doubt that FHWA rules are as you think they are, but the way this needs to go is:
1. Harebrained proposal is made
2. Drawbacks and deficiencies of said proposal are duly noted, then...
3. Design exceptions are requested and granted as needed so that something sensible can be done instead.
So far, I don't see that that's been done.
On my early Sunday morning shopping pilgrimage from Milledgeville to BJ's Wholesale Club in Conyers, I wish to report on GA 212 that there is a new four-way stop at Bethel Church Road.
For any members who have traveled this lovely highway through the Oconee National Forest, there are only a handful of traffic lights from Milledgeville to the Oak Hill Community, about a 60-mile swath of peaceful driving, with two full traffic lights in the small middle Georgia city of Monticello. Most major four-way intersections along GA 212 are only controlled with large stop signs and occasional four-way beacons over this 60+-mile stretch.
This is a rendering of the proposed new welcome signage that GDOT will begin installing in 2016. It will be the first overhaul of the state's welcome signs in 20 plus years.
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I was also looking at GDOT's project lettings for September. GDOT is finally going to resurface I-20 between Sweetwater Creek and Hill Street. IMO this project is way overdue.
Welcome sign looks great! If only Alabama would have done better. Theirs got worse..
I'm not a fan of the orange part of the peach directly touching the blue background. Same with the purple.
Why is there a permanent uneven pavement situation in southern Georgia on I-75 NB?
It has yellow UNEVEN PAVEMENT signs that are so old that they are severely deteriorated.
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Quote from: afguy on August 20, 2015, 04:02:16 PM
This is a rendering of the proposed new welcome signage that GDOT will begin installing in 2016. It will be the first overhaul of the state's welcome signs in 20 plus years.
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I'm sure Ray Charles would approve of the reference to his hit song on those signs!
Quote from: Brian556 on August 20, 2015, 09:32:38 PM
Why is there a permanent uneven pavement situation in southern Georgia on I-75 NB?
It has yellow UNEVEN PAVEMENT signs that are so old that they are severely deteriorated.
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Value engineering? :-D
Quote from: HenryI'm sure Ray Charles would approve of the reference to his hit song on those signs!
It's our state song. :clap:
When I have traveled the particular section of Interstate 75 with the left lane uneven and slightly higher than the other two lanes, it reminds me of one big, long, even drag patch. I don't know if Georgia ran out of money to repave all the lanes or the single lane repavement was viewed as sufficient for a few years until more funding would be available to do a complete resurfacing. Regardless, as I have found out living here for the past year now, Georgia is tight with a buck when it comes to its highway plans.
As a former Georgia resident, the welcome sign is a big fail. All it needs is a circular object on top of the peach leafs and looks like a bended over booty with a thong. No wonder Georgia's on people's mind.
Warner Robins released their draft 2040 transportation plan earlier this month. Some of the highlights of the plan includes the following info:
-Houston County's population is projected to grow from 139,000 in 2010 to 221,000 in 2040.
Th overall plan has $1.2 Billion worth of projects planned between now and 2040.
-Widening Watson Blvd from 4 to 6 lanes from SR 11/U.S. 41 to Carl Vinson Pkwy and add a median from Carl Vinson to SR 247/U.S. 129. The total cost would be $54.8 million and be constructed sometime between 2021-2030.
-Widening Dunbar Road from Houston Lake Rd to Centerville/Elberta Road. Total cost $40.5 million.
-I-75 widening from Sardis Church to Watson Blvd.
-Establishing public transit system.
There was also a list of what they called illustrative projects. These are projects that would be built if they had the money. These include the following:
-Widening SR 11/U.S. 41 from Russell Pkwy to Mossy Creek
-Widening I-75 from Watson Pkwy to Perry Pkwy. Total cost would be $110 million
-Widening Dunbar Road from SR 49 to SR11/U.S. 41. This project would also include a new bridge over I-75.
Overall I think its a good plan and would improve the transportation system in Houston. Personally I love love to see Macon's MTA run the transit system.
link to plan:http://www.wrga.gov/DocumentCenter/View/1716
A few other interesting projects in the plan:
GA 49 widening to 4 lanes from Byron east to the existing four-lane section at US 41.
Houston Lake Blvd widening to 4 lanes from US 41 south to Thomson Rd.
Filling in the missing link on the west side of Perry Pkwy.
Not bad overall, although I'd have expected an extension of Russell Pkwy west to GA 49 north of Fort Valley, at least in the "pie in the sky" plans. That's an area of Peach County that's likely to develop rapidly now that the new hospital and proposed high school are in the northeast part of the county.
Two legged CFI for US 78 at GA 124 (http://www.greshamsmith.com/projects/us-78-at-georgia-sr-124-improvements), which at one time was the most congested intersection in the state. A newspaper article said it could take two years to acquire the right of way and another two years to build. On the bright side, though, it'll displace the title pawn place in the repurposed Hardee's.
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Quote from: afguy on August 20, 2015, 04:02:16 PM
This is a rendering of the proposed new welcome signage that GDOT will begin installing in 2016. It will be the first overhaul of the state's welcome signs in 20 plus years.
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I love the sign except for having the Governor's name on it. So that means when the current governor leaves, you have to replace
ALL of the Welcome Signs with the new governor, costing more money towards the GDOT.
Usually they just install a panel over the governor's name. Since GDOT only puts these on Interstates and maybe a few other major highways, the marginal cost every 4-8 years is pretty small.
The more serious issue is that Gotham, or whatever knockoff they're using, is already incredibly overused (my university just adopted it as its branding typeface, a clear sign that we're on the "diminishing returns" side of Gotham's hipness) and will be downright dated by the end of the sign's design life.
I'm glad the city made this change, it makes sense to do it this way.
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QuoteFaced with an excess of groundwater in the area, which would have made the tunnel unfeasible, the city told their consultants engineering the project to go back to the drawing board. They came back with a more simple and straight-forward bridge over the tracks, a simpler approach the city had earlier been told was not workable.
The change will drop the price of the project from about $40 million to about $20 million, City Planning Director Rick Jones told Columbus Councilors today.
Jones said the consultants came back with two alternatives that the city considered unacceptable.
"Again, we said to them, you've got to come back with a better idea," Jones said. "And this is the idea they came back with."
Jones said people might wonder why the simple straight-forward bridge approach wasn't among the three ideas originally presented to Council for consideration last year.
"They weren't sure at that time that they could actually engineer the structure as it's seen, to get that bridge across the railroad tracks at that particular point at that height, in terms of materials and so forth," Jones said. "I think it also, quite candidly, had to do with a change in leadership within that consulting team."
Read more here: City will go over instead of under rail tracks at "spiderweb" | Columbus Ledger-Enquirer (http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/article34388055.html#storylink=cpy)
Quote from: Tom958 on August 01, 2015, 01:18:25 PM
In the middle of a hot Georgia summer, hell has frozen over: Georgia's decades-old policy of making all signs on a given gantry the same height (h/t afone (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=204.msg2038753#msg2038753))has been broken by this sign and its brother just upstream.
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OK, full disclosure: this one's been here for years and I never noticed the relatively small difference in size because I'm such a slacker. I took both photos on foot from the Akers Mill Road bridge, btw.
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I'm totally in favor of the new policy if in fact the policy has been changed. That said, it seems really strange to change policy midway through the current huge signage replacement program. Speaking of which, there are yet-to-be-installed signs for the Downtown Connector stockpiled nearby, including a blue one for Grady Hospital and another APL for I don't know where.
When did they stop using that narrow Georgia font and the full width tabs?
2010 or so? IIRC, the 85-316 interchange. c. 2008, was the last major project with the compressed font signage, and the above interchange was the first with what I call the first grade pencil look.
Who has US 301 info? I've been struggling with a Wikipedia article on US 301 for most of the year, and I'd like some info on where it crosses the Jesup City Line. Because right now I don't think I can trust Google Street View's version of the city limits.
Quote from: Tom958 on September 09, 2015, 05:37:03 AM
2010 or so? IIRC, the 85-316 interchange. c. 2008, was the last major project with the compressed font signage, and the above interchange was the first with what I call the first grade pencil look.
There have been some straggler projects that use(d) Series D. Most of the signage at the Sardis Church interchange on I-75 that opened in 2012 was Series D, except the mainline I-75 overheads that are erroneously in all-caps Series E(M) (and then got corrected with lowercase Series D letters - d'oh) and have proper tabs. Another example would be on the Truman Parkway extension (https://www.google.com/maps/@31.9758888,-81.1256689,3a,75y,282.66h,98.56t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1soBgd6mNJflKBg1bCkXupLQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1) in Savannah - that sign is from 2014 I think!
The plan sheets for some more recent projects that went through PE a while back also show "Georgia D" in the specs but will probably(?) end up with proper signage. A few more stragglers may sneak through.
Also, I-16 has some weird hybrids of mixed-case Series E with full-width exit headers in Series D that probably date to around the changeover period.
That said GDOT converted to FHWA-spec Series D mixed-case (with dotted i's and j's and less angular D's) from the older "Georgia D" about a decade or so ago.
A new interchange is coming to GA 400 and McGinnis Ferry Road...
Quotehe project includes construction of an interchange on Ga. 400 at McGinnis Ferry Road, widening Ga. 400 south from McGinnis Ferry to McFarland Parkway, widening McGinnis Ferry Road and making operational improvements at intersections along McGinnis Ferry. The proposed interchange is a Georgia Department of Transportation partnership project included in the Forsyth County transportation bond approved by county voters in 2014. It is receiving local funding through the bond as well as federal funding. Total cost is projected at $47 million with a completion date of 2020.
Three options were presented at the open house. One option leaves the interchange basically where it's at, said Tim Allen, assistant director of the engineering department for the county. A second option moves it over to line up with Deer Field Point.
Because this will impact not only Forsyth County but surrounding cities including Milton, Alpharetta and Johns Creek, the GDOT has made this a priority project, Allen said.
"They see the regional significance of building this to improve traffic flow," Allen said. "Ultimately it ties McGinnis Ferry Road, which will be widened in the future, back over to Sargent Road, which will complete the four lanes all the way over to I-85. This is a regional east-west connector route and it needs a direct connection, which it will have once this is built."
http://northfulton.com/revueandnews/stories/County-seeks-input-on-new-Ga-400-interchange,80273
Quote from: afguy on September 14, 2015, 11:45:49 AM
A new interchange is coming to GA 400 and McGinnis Ferry Road...
Quote"They see the regional significance of building this to improve traffic flow," Allen said. "Ultimately it ties McGinnis Ferry Road, which will be widened in the future, back over to Sargent Road, which will complete the four lanes all the way over to I-85. This is a regional east-west connector route and it needs a direct connection, which it will have once this is built."
http://northfulton.com/revueandnews/stories/County-seeks-input-on-new-Ga-400-interchange,80273
I don't have a dog in this fight, but... why not spend the $47m on actually widening McGinnis Ferry Road? There already are two connections with GA 400, at Windward Parkway and at McFarland Road. If by "direct" he means without having to make a turn to traverse the corridor, well, this project won't do that, either: McGinnis Ferry has a TOTSO intersection (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.1024682,-84.2380245,1066m/data=!3m1!1e3) with Union Hill Road and Reagan Blvd.
I guess the answer to my rhetorical question is "because Fulton County."
I was over at GDOT's website today looking at the board presentations from the September meeting. Discussed at the meeting were the projects that GDOT will be letting for construction next month. A few caught my eye. First, I-516 in Savannah will finally be repaved :D. Second, GDOT plans on upgrading several interchanges along I-75 next year.
First up is the I-75/S.R. 27 interchange in Dooly County. It will involve building a new bridge for S.R. 27 over I-75, lengthening of the ramps and widening of S.R. 27. Here's a layout of the project and a link to the project page:
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/581/21338676090_56e475a304_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/yvChYs)I-75@S.R. 27 Interchange Reconstruction-Dooly County (https://flic.kr/p/yvChYs) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
Project Page:http://www.dot.ga.gov/BuildSmart/Projects/Pages/TransPi.aspx?ProjectID=311665-
Second up is the I-75/Wade Green Interchange. It will be converted to a DDI.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5716/21338675940_9c87dffb70_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/yvChVS)I-75@Wade Green Road DDI-Cobb County (https://flic.kr/p/yvChVS) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
Concept Report:https://gtas.dot.ga.gov/0011657/Concept%20Report/0011657_CR_FEB2014.pdf
Finally is the I-75/Carbondale Road interchange. It will be rebuilt and roundabouts constructed at either end of the new bridge.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5812/21500575696_80fb5deb38_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/yKW55Y)I-75@Carbondale Rd-Whitfield County (https://flic.kr/p/yKW55Y) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
Project Page:http://www.dot.ga.gov/BuildSmart/Projects/Pages/TransPi.aspx?ProjectID=610890-
I went on another browse through GDOT's plans tonight and found a treasure trove of goodies. Mainly interchange construction plans. Most of the projects are either under construction or will be within the next year. GDOT seems to be really heavily investing in upgrading interchanges along I-75 in both South and North Georgia.
I-20@SR 388 DDI-Columbia County
GDOT plans on converting this interchange to a Diverging Diamond beginning in 2019.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/773/21544904592_1ddf5a4b0a_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/yPRgwh)I-20@S.R. 388 Diverging Diamond Interchange-Columbia County (https://flic.kr/p/yPRgwh) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
I-75@SR 215-Dooly County
GDOT is currently rebuilding the interchange. Project should be complete in 2017.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5708/21368275068_091783195f_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/yyeZHE)I-75@S.R. 215-Dooly County (https://flic.kr/p/yyeZHE) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
I-85@Senoia Road-Fulton County
GDOT plans on rebuilding and reconfiguring this interchange beginning in 2021.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/765/21532549086_991174f770_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/yNKWEj)I-85@Senoia-Fulton County (https://flic.kr/p/yNKWEj) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
I-95@SR 251-McIntosh County
GDOT is currently rebuilding this interchange. Completion is set for 2017.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5761/21547512072_5ba4930dc5_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/yQ5CCQ)I-95@S.R. 251-McIntosh County (https://flic.kr/p/yQ5CCQ) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
I-75@SR 7-Lowndes County
GDOT is planning to rebuild and reconfigure this interchange beginning in 2016.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/594/20937834023_23760711d3_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/xUcSAk)I-75@S.R. 7-Lowndes County (https://flic.kr/p/xUcSAk) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
I-75@SR 122-Lowndes County
GDOT is planning to rebuild and reconfigure this interchange. No construction date has been set.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/590/21547733322_27e105818d_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/yQ6Lpu)I-75@S.R. 122-Lowndes County (https://flic.kr/p/yQ6Lpu) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
I-85@Poplar Road
GDOT is planning to build a new interchange at Poplar Road beginning in 2016.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5641/21547819452_85e19eb62b_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/yQ7d1u)I-85@Poplar-Coweta County (https://flic.kr/p/yQ7d1u) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
I-75@Wesley Rigdon Road-Tift County
GDOT will be rebuilding this bridge over I-75. Although no construction date has been set, its part of larger plan to rebuild and reconfigure interchanges at Brighton Road, Chula-Brookfield and Willis Still Road in Tifton County.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/766/21559275445_b96d61b75e_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/yR7VtB)I-75@Wesley Rigdon Rd-Tift County (https://flic.kr/p/yR7VtB) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
I-75@Willis Still Road-Tift County
As mentioned above, this interchange reconstruction is part of a larger plan to improve the interchanges and bridges along I-75 in northern Tift County.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5747/21559275185_a206f4c738_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/yR7Vp8)Willis Still Road@I-75-Tift County (https://flic.kr/p/yR7Vp8) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
I-75@Brighton Road-Tift County
Currently the only project underway that is part of massive plan to rebuild interchanges and bridges in northern Tift County, this project should be complete in late 2016.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5799/21568165031_16c4a9eb81_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/yRUu3k)I-75@BrightonRd-Tift County (https://flic.kr/p/yRUu3k) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
I-75@Chula-Brookfield-Tift County
GDOT plans to rebuild and reconfigure this interchange.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/631/21372501069_3fb7208d24_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/yyBDXK)I-75@Chula-Brookfield-Tift County (https://flic.kr/p/yyBDXK) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
GA 400@McGinnis Ferry Rd-Forsyth County
GDOT is planning to build a new interchange at GA 400 and McGinnis Ferry Road. It will also include auxiliary lanes on 400 between Windward Pkwy and McFarland Parkway. No construction date has been set.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5813/21549016352_ba1422abf2_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/yQdkNG)GA 400@McGinnis Ferry Rd Interchange (https://flic.kr/p/yQdkNG) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
More plans from GDOT...
I-95@Belfast Siding Road New Interchange-Bryan County
GDOT is planning to build a new interchange at Belfast Siding Rd in southern Bryan County. The new interchange would feature roundabouts at both ends of the new Belfast Siding bridge over I-95. Lighting is also included in the project. Work will begin 2018.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5675/21542765376_a1a12d07be_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/yPEiBf)I-95@Belfast Siding Rd New Interchange-Bryan County (https://flic.kr/p/yPEiBf) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
I-85@S.R. 324 New Interchange-Gwinnett County
GDOT is planning to construct a new interchange at I-85 and S.R. 324. Work will begin 2019.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/731/21381049398_9377953191_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/yznt5J)I-85@S.R. 324 New Interchange-Gwinnett County (https://flic.kr/p/yznt5J) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
S.R. 316@S.R. 53 New Interchange-Barrow County
GDOT is planning to construct a new interchange at S.R. 316 and S.R. 53. The new interchange would feature a tight urban diamond interchange design. The new bridge over S.R. 316/U.S. 29 would also accommodate a future widening of S.R 316 from four to six lanes, plus a grade barrier separated HOV lane. Work will begin 2020.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/641/21380345390_f0ceb1dd3c_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/yziRNE)S.R. 316/U.S. 29@S.R. 53-Barrow County (https://flic.kr/p/yziRNE) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
S.R. 316@ S.R. 81 New Interchange-Barrow County
GDOT is planning to construct a new interchange at the intersection of S.R. 316/U.S. 29 and S.R. 81. The proposed interchange would feature a tight urban diamond interchange design. The new bridge over S.R. 316/U.S. 29 would also accommodate a future widening of S.R 316 from four to six lanes, plus a grade barrier separated HOV lane. Work on the interchange will begin 2019.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/691/21542202866_8c93a1dd02_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/yPBqoN)S.R 316/U.S. 29 at S.R. 81-Barrow County (https://flic.kr/p/yPBqoN) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
S.R. 316@ S.R. 11 New Interchange-Barrow County
GDOT is planning to construct a new interchange at S.R. 316 and S.R. 11. The new interchange would feature a full diamond interchange design. The new bridge over S.R. 316/U.S. 29 would also accommodate a future widening of S.R 316 from four to six lanes, plus a grade barrier separated HOV lane. Work will begin 2019.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/620/20945630234_2f74776601_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/xUTQ8L)S.R. 316/U.S. 29 at SR 11-Barrow County (https://flic.kr/p/xUTQ8L) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
Here are the plans for the I-75/I-16 Interchange Improvement project in Macon. This is a four phase project that will begin in 2016 and end in 2023. It involves the rebuilding of the I-16/I-75, I-16/Spring Street, I-16/Second Street, and I-16/Coliseum Drive interchanges by adding capacity to both I-75 and I-16, improving the existing interchanges (Second Street would become a full-access interchange), and by introducing a collector-distributor (CD) road system. The CD roads are to be constructed along the eastbound and westbound lanes of I-16, as well as along the northbound and southbound lanes of I-75. These CD roads would separate the local and through traffic. Also included is neighborhood improvements to Pleasant Hill,a historically Black neighborhood in Macon. Those improvements include a new park, landscaping and streetscaping improvements.
I-75/I-16 Interchange Improvements-Macon-Bibb
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/762/21610837491_e8b762324c_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/yVFc5p)Interstate 75/Interstate 16 Interchange Rebuild and Expansion (https://flic.kr/p/yVFc5p) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5664/21575788916_6e2549f61a_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ySzymC)Interstate 75/Interstate 16 Interchange Rebuild and Expansion (https://flic.kr/p/ySzymC) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/677/21414123078_bdc76c6250_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/yChYJA)Interstate 75/Interstate 16 Interchange Rebuild and Expansion (https://flic.kr/p/yChYJA) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/604/21575789226_4706a78f64_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ySzyrY)Interstate 75/Interstate 16 Interchange Rebuild and Expansion (https://flic.kr/p/ySzyrY) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5668/20980848763_c49a6b9778_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/xY1knM)Interstate 75/Interstate 16 Interchange Rebuild and Expansion (https://flic.kr/p/xY1knM) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5745/21590622462_a16fbab1ee_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/yTTzRq)Interstate 75/Interstate 16 Interchange Rebuild and Expansion (https://flic.kr/p/yTTzRq) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5734/20979182304_5424fed985_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/xXRMZJ)Interstate 75/Interstate 16 Interchange Rebuild and Expansion (https://flic.kr/p/xXRMZJ) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5746/21413939210_1bf3fa70e0_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/yCh35s)Interstate 75/Interstate 16 Interchange Rebuild and Expansion (https://flic.kr/p/yCh35s) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5724/21575793266_f62d749837_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ySzzDC)Interstate 75/Interstate 16 Interchange Rebuild and Expansion (https://flic.kr/p/ySzzDC) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/643/21575793326_58f52255af_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ySzzEE)Interstate 75/Interstate 16 Interchange Rebuild and Expansion (https://flic.kr/p/ySzzEE) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5658/20980852763_45178319cd_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/xY1myK)Interstate 75/Interstate 16 Interchange Rebuild and Expansion (https://flic.kr/p/xY1myK) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/628/20979182544_e8ae6e4dd4_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/xXRN4S)Interstate 75/Interstate 16 Interchange Rebuild and Expansion (https://flic.kr/p/xXRN4S) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/659/20980852883_538df2f50b_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/xY1mAP)Interstate 75/Interstate 16 Interchange Rebuild and Expansion (https://flic.kr/p/xY1mAP) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5673/21590626322_808c6640b4_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/yTTAZY)Interstate 75/Interstate 16 Interchange Rebuild and Expansion (https://flic.kr/p/yTTAZY) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/591/20979182904_3cf23f111b_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/xXRNb5)Interstate 75/Interstate 16 Interchange Rebuild and Expansion (https://flic.kr/p/xXRNb5) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/731/21413943580_5c9f083f5c_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/yCh4nN)Interstate 75/Interstate 16 Interchange Rebuild and Expansion (https://flic.kr/p/yCh4nN) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/639/21602038415_a1a6ede7da_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/yUU6qc)Interstate 75/Interstate 16 Interchange Rebuild and Expansion (https://flic.kr/p/yUU6qc) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5819/21575798036_e7c0b96f43_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ySzB4S)Interstate 75/Interstate 16 Interchange Rebuild and Expansion (https://flic.kr/p/ySzB4S) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5775/21413943970_818ca1502d_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/yCh4uw)Interstate 75/Interstate 16 Interchange Rebuild and Expansion (https://flic.kr/p/yCh4uw) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
Interesting diagrams. I do hope the longer Exit 1 ramp on eastbound Interstate 16 can handle a full two lanes of traffic that overwhelmingly turn left to drive northbound onto US 129 into northeast Macon, out toward Gray and Milledgeville. Currently, heavy traffic waiting for the light at the end of the currently short ramp can back way up along Interstate 16 and over the river bridge.
Wow, excellent work, afguy! Thanks!!! :clap:
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The thing that struck me about the interchange projects in the first two posts is the degree of variation between the different schemes, mostly in amount of land taken but also in use or not of roundabouts. I suppose that bigger is better to some extent, but the projects along 75 in south Georgia seem really excessive. If a tight diamond will suffice at constricted sites on 316, then why do some others, with lower traffic, have to be so huge?
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This is more like it:
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Thanks for the comments, it was well worth the effort to get this information from GDOT's website. I do agree with you Tom about GDOT making the interchanges on I-75 in South Georgia big. It seems like overkill a bit, but in the end I guess it makes sense. I know through reading some of the concept reports for improving the interchanges in Tift and Dooly Counties, that GDOT wanted their to be enough room so that another lane could be added to I-75 at a future date. Also considering the fact that GDOT just got done widening I-75 a few years ago, these bridges and interchanges need to brought up to modern standards.
One more project from the GDOT files is the SR 4/15th St/MLK Blvd widening in Augusta-Richmond. This project is somewhat dear to me as I follow the redevelopment that is happening in Intown Augusta. A lot of development is being planned or underway along this corridor in the Medical Center and Bethlehem neighborhoods, especially the area around Augusta University. SR 4 serves as a gateway for people coming from Wrens and areas southwest of the city as well, so it was important for GDOT to upgrade this corridor. GDOT plans on widening SR 4 to a four lane boulevard with bike lanes and other pedestrian improvements. Work will begin in 2016.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5754/21608151415_6682b1b69c_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/yVrqAK)S.R. 4/15th Street/MLK Blvd Widening-Augusta-Richmond County (https://flic.kr/p/yVrqAK) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/723/20986958203_825f38d763_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/xYxDuX)S.R. 4/15th Street/MLK Blvd Widening-Augusta-Richmond County (https://flic.kr/p/xYxDuX) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
Quote from: afguy on September 21, 2015, 09:05:32 PM
Thanks for the comments, it was well worth the effort to get this information from GDOT's website. I do agree with you Tom about GDOT making the interchanges on I-75 in South Georgia big. It seems like overkill a bit, but in the end I guess it makes sense. I know through reading some of the concept reports for improving the interchanges in Tift and Dooly Counties, that GDOT wanted their to be enough room so that another lane could be added to I-75 at a future date. Also considering the fact that GDOT just got done widening I-75 a few years ago, these bridges and interchanges need to brought up to modern standards.
It's not like they don't have the space to do it. Along GA 316 near the proposed interchanges I believe there are more space constraints due to development that's sprung up off the mainline.
Quote from: xcellntbuy on September 21, 2015, 07:58:55 PM
Interesting diagrams. I do hope the longer Exit 1 ramp on eastbound Interstate 16 can handle a full two lanes of traffic that overwhelmingly turn left to drive northbound onto US 129 into northeast Macon, out toward Gray and Milledgeville. Currently, heavy traffic waiting for the light at the end of the currently short ramp can back way up along Interstate 16 and over the river bridge.
Adding a full interchange at Second Street should reduce some of the backups, particularly if signed properly (remove the US 129 and US 80 shields from the Spring Street exit and post Second Street as TO both routes).
If people get in the habit of taking the Fall Line Freeway routing to Milledgeville instead of GA 49 or US 129+GA 22 that would help too (I'd sign GA 540 at the Coliseum Drive exit). Boosting the speed limit to 65 in most of Wilkinson County and in Baldwin County has helped somewhat, as will getting fairly easy access to downtown Milledgeville via GA 112 when the final phase opens.
You have a point about space being at a premium along 316. With all of the development occurring along 316 between Lawrenceville and Athens, I wish GDOT had built 316 as a full freeway from the start.
Switching gears, here are two diagrams I found on the Savannah Planning Commissions website for the I-16 interchange removal proposal in Downtown Savannah. Currently two alternatives are being studied and must be submitted to the FHA and GDOT for final approval.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5708/21427560838_da5d928720_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/yDtRj7)I-16 Interchange Removal Study-Savannah (https://flic.kr/p/yDtRj7) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/665/21624302911_7a4e5fcff1_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/yWScSP)I-16 Interchange Removal Study-Savannah (https://flic.kr/p/yWScSP) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
If they're going to remove the ramps (which I think is a good idea, when coupled with better access to Oglethorpe Ave.), why not take the opportunity to restore the street grid rather than putting in new diagonal streets that reduce the number of parcels and make it harder to build things in the reclaimed space?
I concur, especially considering one of the main reasons for removing the interchange is to increase the amount of land that can be developed on the westside of downtown. Currently, Intown Savannah is booming with infill redevelopment and that is quickly spreading west.
More diagrams! This time courtesy of GDOT and the Savannah MPO.
First up is the I-95/S.R. 21 DDI. It's currently under construction and will be done by early 2017.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/604/21021090834_311111572a_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/y2yzWA)I-95@S.R. 21 Diverging Diamond Interchange-Chatham County (https://flic.kr/p/y2yzWA) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
Next is the S.R. 204/King George Blvd grade separation project in Savannah. This project will be complete by Spring 2017.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5663/21456051798_0af9541d49_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/yFZSFy)S.R.204@KingGeorgeBlvd Interchange Project-Chatham County (https://flic.kr/p/yFZSFy) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
Finally, here are diagrams of what the Savannah MPO wants S.R. 204 to look like from I-95 to Truman Pkwy. They want to convert it to a freeway with elevated lanes between Rio Road and the end of the Truman Pkwy.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/722/21652872811_17911fe36b_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/yZoCHi)S.R. 204 Corridor Study-Chatham County (https://flic.kr/p/yZoCHi) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5826/21456046428_c62b21a319_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/yFZR5Y)S.R. 204 Corridor Study-Chatham County (https://flic.kr/p/yFZR5Y) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/750/21456044948_cdd038065e_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/yFZQDs)S.R. 204 Corridor Study (https://flic.kr/p/yFZQDs) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5645/21643937495_9e0db7c38f_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/yYAQy8)S.R. 204 Corridor Study-Chatham County (https://flic.kr/p/yYAQy8) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
After visiting Savannah over the weekend, I found it interesting the number of freeways that have names with no route numbers (Veterans Pkwy, Truman Pkwy, and maybe Deloach Pkwy).
Quote from: codyg1985 on September 23, 2015, 08:44:39 AM
After visiting Savannah over the weekend, I found it interesting the number of freeways that have names with no route numbers (Veterans Pkwy, Truman Pkwy, and maybe Deloach Pkwy).
Throw Pooler Parkway into the mix too. All county built.
Truman Parkway was originally touted as the Casey Canal Parkway for the waterway it parallels. I recall reading news articles on it and Pooler Parkway around 1990 when my Dad still lived in Savannah.
One more diagram. This time the I-285/Bouldercrest Rd interchange improvement project. GDOT is planning to reconstruct the I-285/Bouldercrest Rd Interchange. The improvements planned would include a collector-distributor roadway system between the I-285/I-675 Interchange and the I-285/Bouldercrest Interchange on I-285 and a six-lane Bouldercrest Rd bridge over I-285. Work on this project would begin 2019.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/643/21682226385_3627503129_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/z2Z5vp)I-285@Bouldercest Interchange Improvements (https://flic.kr/p/z2Z5vp) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
GDOT is conducting a study to improve Northside Drive in Atlanta between I-20 and I-75. One of the suggested improvements is a new I-20/Northside Drive interchange. Don't know if that would work.
http://www.dot.ga.gov/BS/Projects/NorthsideDr#NSDtab-6
http://www.dot.ga.gov/BuildSmart/Projects/Documents/NorthsideDrive/Improvement/ProjectOverview.pdf
Here are a few projects GDOT is currently building and planning to do in the next few years.
I-20/Panola Rd Interchange Improvement
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5796/21067948334_498140976c_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/y6GK3w)I-20/Panola Rd Interchange Improvement (https://flic.kr/p/y6GK3w) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
GDOT will make improvements to the I-20/Panola Rd interchange beginning in 2017. The improvements include a realigned and widen Panola Road bridge over I-20 and realigned and lengthened ramps. These improvements are part of a larger project to widen Panola Rd between Fairington and Snapfinger Woods Dr.
I-75 North Collector/Distributor Roadway-Clayton County
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/678/21502869640_94007e890d_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/yL8PZJ)I-75 North Collector/Distributor Roadway-Clayton County (https://flic.kr/p/yL8PZJ) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
GDOT is planning to build a collector/distributor roadway between Forest Pkwy and the I-285 interchange. The project also include modifications to the ramps at Forest Pkwy and I-285. Work will begin in 2018.
I-285@Riverside Dr Roundabouts-Fulton County
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/643/21664852816_119ef8ee64_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/z1s2X7)I-285@Riverside Dr Roundabouts-Fulton County (https://flic.kr/p/z1s2X7) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
GDOT is constructing two roundabouts and the interchange of I-285 and Riverside Drive in Sandy Springs. Work should be complete by 2018.
Here's some diagrams of future projects GDOT is planning...
S.R. 10 Loop/Athens Perimeter@U.S. 78/Lexington Rd Interchange Improvements
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/759/21714314121_ab3422c2b7_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/z5Px5e)S.R. 10 Loop/Athens Perimeter@U.S. 78/Lexington Rd Interchange Improvements (https://flic.kr/p/z5Px5e) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
GDOT is planning to add a northbound entrance ramp from the Athens Perimeter to tie into the Barnett Shoals and US 78/SR 10/Lexington Road intersection. The project would construct auxiliary lanes and intersection improvements along US 78/SR 10/Lexington Road beginning construction just west of the
Oconee Street/Oak Street intersection and ending construction just east of Winterville Road. The existing northbound exit ramp and entrance ramp would remain in place in the southeast quadrant. The proposed configuration for the entrance ramps would remove the Lexington westbound to SR 10 Loop northbound left turn movement that causes significant delay on Lexington Road. Work will begin in 2021.
I-95@S.R. 144 Interchange Roundabouts-Bryan County
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/735/21517717578_f728c0ce19_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/yMrVLE)I-95@S.R. 144 Interchange Roundabouts-Bryan County (https://flic.kr/p/yMrVLE) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
GDOT is proposing to construct roundabouts at the SB and NB ramps of I-95@S.R. 144. No construction date has been set.
C.R. 1516 Grade Separation@ NS RR; inc Conley Rd and S.R. 3 Relocation
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/567/21517808608_505b3bbe58_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/yMsoQ9)C.R. 1516 Grade Separation@ NS RR; inc Conley Rd and S.R. 3 relocation (https://flic.kr/p/yMsoQ9) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
GDOT is currently relocating Conley Rd south on a new location to align with CW Grant Pkwy. CW Grant Pkwy/Conley Rd will then be grade separated under the Norfolk Southern Railroad. CW Grant Pkwy/Conley Rd will also be widened to 4 lanes witha 20 ft. raised median from the existing CW Grant location to I-285. The realigned Conley Rd will tie in with the existing Conley Rd at Ellery Drive. Finally, the project will relocated S.R 3/Old Dixie Hwy approx. 600 ft. east to provide a new connecting between the existing CW Grant Pkwy and Old Dixie Hwy. All work should be complete by Summer 2018.
West Winder Bypass(Phase 3 new interchange @S.R. 316)-Barrow County
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5656/21518180790_88e49c1609_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/yMuit5)West Winder Bypass(Phase 3)-Barrow County (https://flic.kr/p/yMuit5) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
GDOT is planning to build a western bypass around the City of Winder in Barrow County. The project will be split into 4 phases. The third phase, which is shown above with the other phases, involves reconstructing the intersection of Pastrick Mill Rd(relocated S.R.211) and S.R. 316 into a grade separated interchange. The new interchange will be constructed at a location south of the current intersection. Work will begin in 2020.
The I-20/Northside Drive interchange project has some hurdles considering I have already seen the usual suspects on WSB lobbying against it(i.e., Vincent Fort).
GDOT seems to really be going gangbusters on trying to upgrade as many interchanges as it an across the state. Here's a another project I found on GDOT's website. This one involves rebuilding and widening the Old River Road bridge over I-16 in Effingham County. The project will begin in 2019.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5722/21099740763_46fda892bc_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/y9vFPR)I-16@Old River Rd Interchange Reconstruction-Effingham County (https://flic.kr/p/y9vFPR) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
Here's a diagram I found of the proposed interchange on I-985 @ Martin Rd in Hall County.
I-985@Martin Rd-New Interchange-Hall County
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/620/21784172181_0ea4e7913b_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/zbZzrx)I-985@Martin Rd-New Interchange-Hall County (https://flic.kr/p/zbZzrx) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
GDOT is planning to build a new exit on I-985 near Martin Rd. A new four-lane roadway on a new location will connect H.F. Reed Industrial Pkwy @ Thurman Tanner Pkwy on the west side of I-985 and Martin Rd at S.R. 13 on the east side of I-985. The new road will feature bike lanes and sidewalks. No construction date has been set.
The contract to build the new HOT lanes on I-85 in Gwinnett County has been awarded to C.W. Matthews.
QuoteC.W. Matthews and ARCADIS form a design-build team providing both design and construction services to
widen Interstate 85 by adding one managed lane in each direction, from just north of Old Peachtree Road to
Hamilton Mill Road in Gwinnett County. Construction is expected to being in August 2016 and be completed
by the summer of 2018. The $139 million project also includes resurfacing of all the existing I-85 travel lanes
within the project limits, as well as the addition of new auxiliary lanes northbound between GA20 and Gravel
Springs Road and southbound between GA20 and GA 317/ Lawrenceville-Suwanee Road, including the I-985
Interchange. The I-85 Express Lanes project is part of the Georgia Express Lanes system, a network of toll lanes that run
alongside existing interstates in some of the most congested corridors around metro Atlanta. These lanes are
intended to offer a choice for drivers to pay a toll to bypass congestion when they desire, provide a clear path
for transit operators, and present reliable trip times within these corridors. Currently, two other Express
Lanes projects are underway: the Northwest Corridor on I-75 and I-575 in Cobb and Cherokee Counties; and
the I-75 South Metro in Henry and Clayton Counties.
http://www.dot.ga.gov/PartnerSmart/Public/PressReleases/I-85_ExpressLanesAward9-1-2015.pdf
GDOT is extending the comment period for making improvements to GA 20 between 400 and and 575. Personally I wish they would make it a freeway...
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/ga-20-improvement-comment-period-extended/nnp8H/
Quote from: afguy on September 28, 2015, 01:21:40 PM
GDOT is extending the comment period for making improvements to GA 20 between 400 and and 575. Personally I wish they would make it a freeway...
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/ga-20-improvement-comment-period-extended/nnp8H/
Indeed, removing the freeway alternative was a big mistake. The inevitable result: another underbuilt corridor that will be overwhelmed by development like Camp Creek Pkwy and GA 74 from I-85 to Peachtree City, ironically to prevent "sprawl."
Quote from: afguy on September 28, 2015, 09:50:22 AM
The contract to build the new HOT lanes on I-85 in Gwinnett County has been awarded to C.W. Matthews.
http://www.dot.ga.gov/PartnerSmart/Public/PressReleases/I-85_ExpressLanesAward9-1-2015.pdf
I'm curious how they will make the northbound HOT lane work at the I-985 interchange.
I went to GDOT's websie today and forgot tat the results of the I-75 North(Atlanta-Chattanooga) corridor study were released last year.
Essentially, the study recommends adding capacity and making intersection/interchange improvements along I-75 and U.S. 41. I'm really intrigued by the proposal to add ramp meters to I-75 between exits 348 and 353. If added these would be the first in the state outside of Metro Atlanta. Some of the highlights include:
Broken down by county:
Cobb County
-Variable speed signs between exit 222(Jodeco Rd) and Wade Green Rd(Exit 273)
-Add Capacity between Barrett Pkwy (Exit 269) and Glade Rd (Exit 278)
-Add Capacity between Glade Rd (Exit 278) and Old Allatoona Rd (Exit 283)
-Add Capacity between Old Allatoona Rd (Exit 283) and SR 20 (Exit 290)
-Extend Southbound Truck Lane to Wade Green Rd (Exit 273)
Bartow County
-Resurface I-75 between Glade Rd (Exit 278) and Old Allatoona Rd (Exit 283)
-Interchange at Third Army Rd
-Ramp Improvements at Old Allatoona Rd (Exit 283)
-Auxiliary Lanes between Old Allatoona Rd (Exit 283) and Red Top Mountain Rd(Exit 285)
-Ramp Improvements at Red Top Mountain Rd (Exit 285)
-Downhill Speed Warning Signage between Old Allatoona Rd (Exit 283) and SR 113 (Exit 288)
-Widen between SR 20 (Exit 290) and US-411 (Exit 293)
-Widen between Cassville White Rd (Exit 296) and SR 140 (Exit 306)
-Georgia Navigator Extension to SR 20 (Exit 290)
Gordon County
-Widen I-75 between SR 53 (Exit 312) and SR 225 (Exit 317)
Whitfield County
-Wildlife Signage between Carbondale Rd (Exit 326) and S Dalton Bypass (Exit 328)
-Widen I-75 between Carbondale Rd (Exit 326) and SR 52 (Exit 333)
-Add Capacity between SR 52 (Exit 333) and SR 151 (Exit 348)
Catoosa and Hamilton Counties
-Reduce Speed Limit on I-75 between US-41 (Exit 345) and SR 151 (Exit 348)
-Ramp Meters on I-75 between SR 151 (Exit 348) and SR 146 (Exit 353)
-Add Capacity to I-75 between SR 151 (Exit 348) and I-24 (Exit 2)
Link to the document:http://www.dot.ga.gov/BuildSmart/Studies/I75StudyDocuments/I-75Northb/I75NorthStrategicCorridorImprovementProgramb.pdf
What the hell is up with the reconstruction of the southbound I-95 Georgia Welcome Center?
Quote from: D-Dey65 on September 30, 2015, 06:46:25 PM
What the hell is up with the reconstruction of the southbound I-95 Georgia Welcome Center?
Can you be more specific? :bigass:
Quote from: Tom958 on September 30, 2015, 08:09:33 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on September 30, 2015, 06:46:25 PM
What the hell is up with the reconstruction of the southbound I-95 Georgia Welcome Center?
Can you be more specific? :bigass:
The Georgia Welcome Center near the SC state line along I-95 is being rebuilt. They basically tore down the old one built in 1979 and building a brand new one that is four times the size of the original. They plan to eventually remodel or replace nearly all the Welcome Centers in the state. The Southbound I-85 Welcome Center is also closed, that one is a remodel though since it was built in the 90s.
I went on another project search through GDOT's files and found plans for improvements to the S.R 10 Loop/Atlanta Highway Interchange and plans for a new SE Rome Bypass.
S.R.10 Loop/Atlanta Highway Interchange Improvements-Athens-Clarke County
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/635/21667050009_a175c40b12_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/z1Di6K)S.R. 10 Loop@Atlanta Highway Interchange Improvements (https://flic.kr/p/z1Di6K) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
This project will consist of improvements to the S.R. 10 Loop/Atlanta Highway interchange as well as widening of Atlanta Highway within the vicinity of the interchange. Work on this project will begin in 2019.
SE Rome Bypass
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(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5630/21827940806_38fe1e8c30_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/zfRUk1)S.E. Rome Bypass (https://flic.kr/p/zfRUk1) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
The S.E. Rome Bypass in a 4.6 mile four-lane divided highway that will feature a 44-ft. grass median. Bridges will be constructed over Callier Springs Road and U.S. 411. In addition, S.R. 101 will be upgraded from a 2 lane road to a 4 lane highway with a 20-ft. raised median, sidewalks and bike lanes. This widening would occur within the vicinity of the western terminus of the bypass. Work on the project will begin in 2019.
The one in Rome reminded me of something I stumbled across from 1999. Not everything that makes it through the planning stages gets built. According to the Project Concept Report (https://gtas.dot.ga.gov/632760-/Concept%20Report/620900-_632760-_CR_AUG1999.pdf) (which I can't copy/paste), this project would've provided continuity of capacity for a widened GA 101 south of US 411 without having to widen the difficult Dean Avenue section to the north. Cost $60m +/-, and only 98 displacements required including 75 residences. What a great plan. Oh: north is to the right, and... link (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.229941,-85.1628639,1785m/data=!3m1!1e3).
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Quote from: afguy on September 21, 2015, 03:22:05 PM
Here are the plans for the I-75/I-16 Interchange Improvement project in Macon. This is a four phase project that will begin in 2016 and end in 2023. It involves the rebuilding of the I-16/I-75, I-16/Spring Street, I-16/Second Street, and I-16/Coliseum Drive interchanges by adding capacity to both I-75 and I-16, improving the existing interchanges (Second Street would become a full-access interchange), and by introducing a collector-distributor (CD) road system. The CD roads are to be constructed along the eastbound and westbound lanes of I-16, as well as along the northbound and southbound lanes of I-75. These CD roads would separate the local and through traffic. Also included is neighborhood improvements to Pleasant Hill,a historically Black neighborhood in Macon. Those improvements include a new park, landscaping and streetscaping improvements.
Really? Sound walls along a bridge over a river and a trail?
:rolleyes:
Removed quoted images - Alex
D-Dey65, please try not to quote so many images at one time. Tad overkill.
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on October 06, 2015, 01:30:19 AM
D-Dey65, please try not to quote so many images at one time. Tad overkill.
I'd like to, but I broke my arm on my recent vacation, and it limits what I can do with a PC.
:-( :angry:
I'm doing a lot of stuff one-handed lately.
Quote from: WashuOtaku on September 28, 2015, 06:16:55 PMI'm curious how they will make the northbound HOT lane work at the I-985 interchange.
https://por.dot.ga.gov/projectInfo/110600-/JPG/DisplayBoard4.pdf
Nothing to it. Actually, it's not obvious to me why they don't run the northbound HOT lanes directly adjacent to the southbound lanes, at least south of the 985 split.
Quote from: D-Dey65 on October 07, 2015, 08:56:15 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on October 06, 2015, 01:30:19 AM
D-Dey65, please try not to quote so many images at one time. Tad overkill.
I'd like to, but I broke my arm on my recent vacation, and it limits what I can do with a PC.
:-( :angry:
I'm doing a lot of stuff one-handed lately.
Sorry, didn't know that. Sucks that happened on a vacation, which is the worst time to have it happen. Still, I didn't post that in purple above, so, it was more like a suggestion. ;)
Georgia is getting it's first U.S. Bicycle route (USBR 21), it will run from Downtown Atlanta to Chattanooga...
QuoteUSBR 21 begins in downtown Atlanta at the Five Points MARTA Train Station, which accesses the Hartsfield Jackson International Airport, providing an easy connection to the route for international cyclists. The route leaves Atlanta on Peachtree Street, then connects to the Silver Comet Trail, a scenic rail-trail that extends to Alabama. USBR 21 heads north from the Silver Comet Trail in the city of Cedartown. Two-lane country roads bring bicyclists through northwest Georgia to Chickamauga, then to the Tennessee border and Chattanooga, a bike-friendly city with many urban attractions and outdoor recreation opportunities.
The U.S. Bicycle Route System now encompasses 11,053 miles of routes in 23 states and Washington, D.C.
http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/news/2015/10/08/ashto-approves-new-u-s-bicycle-route-in-georgia.html
GDOT will begin a $47 million widening of GA. 151 in Ringgold next year...
QuoteConstruction on a $47 million widening project along a two-mile stretch of Ga. Highway 151 (Alabama Highway) in Ringgold is slated to begin in about a year.
The project, coupled with a college campus now under construction, is expected to bring new life to the Highway 151 business corridor.
Local government officials like Ringgold council member Randall Franks said they're excited about new businesses, such as Zaxby's, coming into town in anticipation of the changes.
"The businesses that will grow within one of Ringgold's new city centers around our new college will enhance the dimensions of what makes our city a great place to live, work and shop," Franks said. "The council and city staff is working to encourage quality growth, which enhances the experience of our residents and visitors, improving our sense of community."
Mohamed Arafa, communications officer for Georgia Department of Transportation, said the project has consisted of multiple right-of-way purchases along the highway, which adds to the overall cost of the project.
"The right of way needed for the widening project on Highway 151 amounted to 66 parcels," Arafa said. "All these parcels were purchased and certified in March 2015. The cost of the acquisition of right of way was little over $14 million. That is in addition to the estimated construction cost of $33 million."
http://www.northwestgeorgianews.com/catwalkchatt/news/road-to-progress-georgia-dot-gearing-up-for-ga-expansion/article_0e67a0b6-6c35-11e5-b929-c7345383047b.html
Quote from: afguy on September 21, 2015, 09:11:38 PM
One more project from the GDOT files is the SR 4/15th St/MLK Blvd widening in Augusta-Richmond. This project is somewhat dear to me as I follow the redevelopment that is happening in Intown Augusta. A lot of development is being planned or underway along this corridor in the Medical Center and Bethlehem neighborhoods, especially the area around Augusta University. SR 4 serves as a gateway for people coming from Wrens and areas southwest of the city as well, so it was important for GDOT to upgrade this corridor. GDOT plans on widening SR 4 to a four lane boulevard with bike lanes and other pedestrian improvements. Work will begin in 2016.
I used to drive through that area often whenever I visited Augusta last decade (as I was living in S.C. then). Good to see development coming to that corridor.
Quote from: afguy on October 09, 2015, 12:12:38 AMGDOT will begin a $47 million widening of GA. 151 in Ringgold next year...
The interchange of GA 151 and I-75 was built with twin bridges despite having been built quite early on, in 1961, compared to 1964-65 for the rest of 75 down to Adairsville. I wonder if a widened 151 had a place in a bigger scheme.
Quote from: D-Dey65 on October 07, 2015, 08:56:15 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on October 06, 2015, 01:30:19 AM
D-Dey65, please try not to quote so many images at one time. Tad overkill.
I'd like to, but I broke my arm on my recent vacation, and it limits what I can do with a PC.
:-( :angry:
I'm doing a lot of stuff one-handed lately.
Sucks the one handed typing is from fracture
This is Jimmy Carter Blvd over I-85, the new DDI. I posted this photo on Facebook on August 1, and the bridge still looks like this even though it appears that every other aspect of the project is complete. WTF?
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Cool little video from the Augusta Chronicle about the history of the John C. Calhoun Expressway..
https://youtu.be/O1VO-wrHhlk
Here's another project form GDOT's files. This time its Project DeRenne in Savannah. This massive project will help improve traffic flow along DeRenne Avenue in Midtown Savannah.
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The rendering above shows the plans for the I-516 Eastern Terminus at DeRenne, also known as the boulevard option, this project will be the phase part of the three part project aimed at improving traffic flow along DeRenne Avenue in Midtown Savannah. The project above will consists of a new connection via an interchange with I-516 (just west of
Mildred Street) continuing along the alignment of a widened Hampstead Avenue (four-lane divided
section with multi-use path) to a realignment of White Bluff Road The project will include elevation of the inbound travel lanes over reconfigured access to Hunter Army Airfield and elevation of the outbound travel lanes over I-516/DeRenne Avenue. The project begins approximately 1,400' west of the DeRenne Avenue and Montgomery Street intersection and ends approximately 500' south of the current intersection of Hampstead Avenue and White Bluff Road. Montgomery Street will be reconstructed from a four lane divided roadway to a two-lane, median divided neighborhood street with on-street parking, 8-foot sidewalks and a planting strip. This section of Montgomery Street is approximately. The existing intersection of White Bluff. Road with Hampstead Avenue will be modified such that the through movement becomes northbound to westbound and eastbound to southbound with the remaining leg of White Bluff (connecting to DeRenne Avenue) teed into the outside of the new curve. Bicycle and pedestrian traffic to and from the Hunter Army Airfield will be accommodated on a multi-use path south of the Hampstead alignment that connects on the east to the pedestrian enhanced intersection with White Bluff. Landscaping, pedestrian lighting and street lighting will be included.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/663/22136954906_14ac3430b9_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/zJaFsj)Project DeRenne-Savannah/Chatham County (https://flic.kr/p/zJaFsj) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/671/22163615405_5fc16826a0_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/zLwjG6)Project DeRenne-Savannah/Chatham County (https://flic.kr/p/zLwjG6) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5692/21975501590_d47931d40d_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ztUc1s)Project DeRenne-Savannah/Chatham County (https://flic.kr/p/ztUc1s) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5719/22163118255_1f696c1174_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/zLtLUx)Project DeRenne-Savannah/Chatham County (https://flic.kr/p/zLtLUx) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/721/21542036963_03cdd96507_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/yPAz5p)Project DeRenne-Savannah/Chatham County (https://flic.kr/p/yPAz5p) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
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Project DeRenne is a massive project that will help improve the traffic flow through Midtown Savannah. Project DeRenne will be broken down into three projects. The rendering above shows the improvements that will be made to DeRenne betwee Montgomery and Harry Truman Parkway. Improvements to this section include access management, intersection improvements, new raised medians and pedestrian improvements.
Here's a project I found in GDOT's files tonight that's planned for Albany. It will build a new connector road to connect Westover Blvd and Ledo Road near Albany Mall. The project will require two bridges to take the Liberty Expressway over the new road. Also a roundabout will be built at N. Westover Blvd near the mall.
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Thanks, afguy! :clap:
Thanks! Does anyone know if GDOT has plans to finally widen I-20 between Villa Rica and the Alabama state line. I've been trying to find info on GDOT's website, but haven't been able to find anything. Considering the amount of freight and regular traffic between Tuscaloosa and Florence,SC, all of I-20 needs to be six lanes imo.
I'm not sure it's that urgent west of Villa Rica. ALDOT is only widening its section east of Anniston/Oxford because the existing roadway was/is falling apart and it would need six lanes by the end of its design life. (West of Anniston/Oxford in AL there's probably more immediate need.)
Traveled the Fall Line Freeway from Macon to US 441/GA 29 south of Milledgeville. Concrete exit ramps are largely installed east of US 441/GA 29. The shields at the temporary end ramp eastbound on the Fall Line Freeway indicate US 441 and "US" 29. And, quite surprisingly, there was an occasional car to be seen traveling the freeway besides my own! :-D
Quote from: xcellntbuy on October 15, 2015, 07:27:16 PM
Traveled the Fall Line Freeway from Macon to US 441/GA 29 south of Milledgeville. Concrete exit ramps are largely installed east of US 441/GA 29. The shields at the temporary end ramp eastbound on the Fall Line Freeway indicate US 441 and "US" 29. And, quite surprisingly, there was an occasional car to be seen traveling the freeway besides my own! :-D
Here's some footage from my Mapillary trek last month (http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/yjxUqOuz9Y6521GZpKZOCA/photo).
Last night, someone on the Peach State Roads Facebook group posted a video of 75-85 through downtown Atlanta, and I noticed that the relatively recent 2009 MUTCD compliant conventional signage approaching I-20
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7328904,-84.3919397,3a,75y,356.81h,82.25t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_9wv-fyRIikrIsBRy_hEHg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
has been replaced with APL's.
Work will begin Monday on replacing the worn and rusted metal gaurdrail on Riverwatch Parkway in Augusta with a new concrete median and decorative lighting. It should be complete by next summer. This project will really help improve the ride into Downtown Augusta on this highway.
Quote"The number of TIA (TransÂporÂtation Investment Act) projects on this roadway may seem high, but each has a specific scope," spokesman Kyle Collins said. "All of the contractors involved understand this is a high traffic area and will do their best during construction to have the least amount of impact to motorists. At the end of the day, we are talking about over a $20 million investment."
Crews have started on the other projects. Intersection improvements at Stevens Creek and Furys Ferry roads include updating signal infrastructure, shoulder widening, adding pedestrian facilities and improving lighting. The River Watch Parkway adaptive signal project will provide intelligent transportation systems to the traffic signals that will adjust signal timing to respond to real-time fluctuations in traffic, according to the Transportation DeÂpartÂment. The project is expected to reduce travel times and fuel consumption.
The latest project was awarded to Beam's Contracting for nearly $9.3 million and is expected to begin on the 15th Street side of River Watch with an expected completion date of July 31. The project will involve construction of 7.02 miles of median barrier, milling and plant mix resurfacing on River Watch Parkway from 15th Street to the ColumÂbia County line. DecoraÂtive lighting will also be added to the area.
http://chronicle.augusta.com/news/metro/2015-10-16/river-watch-parkway-construction-project-start-monday?v=1445025147
GDOT is currently realigning and widening Berckmans Rd near the Augusta Nation Golf Club. This project is to accommodate the growing crowds at the Masters. Work should be complete by late 2016 or early 2017.
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(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/679/22183497730_1b92a0f9c8_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/zNhe1N)Berckmans Rd widening and realignment Project-Augusta (https://flic.kr/p/zNhe1N) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
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(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5773/22183534260_ff7d6117a6_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/zNhpSC)Berckmans Rd widening and Realignment Project-Augusta (https://flic.kr/p/zNhpSC) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
Here are some renderings of the proposed designs for the new bridge over Rae's Creek.
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Pretty interesting article from WABE about plans to make I-85 between LaGrange and the Alabama State Line a "green corridor". Some of the ideas are bold like algae farms embedded into overpasses and bridges for wildlife. Overall, I like the idea and I hope it happens.
QuoteAnderson pledged his company to something called "Mission Zero." By the year 2020, Interface would make carpet with zero environmental impact.
"When you've got the greenest industrialist of the century named after a dirty highway, he would say 'Go do something good with it'," says Anderson's daughter, Harriet Langford.
(Anderson died of cancer in 2011, at the age of 77).
Langford is also president of the Ray C. Anderson Foundation, which approached The Georgia Conservancy and Ray's alma mater, Georgia Tech, about doing something bigger and bolder -- The Mission Zero Corridor (recently rechristened "The Ray").
"Nobody's just thought how can we make it better? How can it be an energy producer? How can we reduce our carbon?" Langford says.
That job fell into the hands of Richard Dagenhart. He's not a highway engineer, but an architect and professor at Georgia Tech.
Working with current and former students, he set out to find ways to make an interstate weave into its environment. They looked at not just the highway, but all of the land, communities, and ecosystems around it.
They came up with 103 pages of ideas. Some are pretty wild -- algae farms embedded into overpasses, bridges for wildlife, lighting that adjusts to cycles of the moon. Others are more straightforward -- restoring a creek that runs along the highway and better land use to avoid the sprawl and clutter that's common on interstates. There's one that's already taken root -- a solar powered electric vehicle now stands at the Georgia Welcome Center on the Alabama state line.
But the majority of the corridor remains a concept. A company in the U.K. is sorting through the ideas to determine which are feasible. They'll issue a report by the end of the year. And there's the bigger question: is it even possible to make a highway sustainable?
"It's definitely a substantial effort to retrofit a highway that already exists and put it back into maybe making a lower footprint," says Jeralee Anderson, Executive Director of Greenroads. The Seattle-based group has developed a sustainability ratings system for streets and highways. She says that can have as much to do with cars as the highway itself, with more consumers choosing electric and hybrid models and gas-powered vehicles gain more fuel efficiency.
Funding is an unanswered question, too. Kia Motors, which has an assembly plant on the corridor, funded that electric charging station. The Georgia Department of Transportation has passed a resolution in support of the project, but GDOT hasn't said if they'll help pay for it. Organizers say they're hoping to attract a mix of public, private, and corporate support to make The Mission Zero Corridor a reality.
Harriet Langford, Ray Anderson's daughter, says the project is already changing perceptions.
http://www.gpb.org/news/2015/10/23/how-green-can-interstate-be
What they need to do is pave Interstate 20, period.
John C. Calhoun Expressway-Augusta
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John C. Calhoun Expressway. This view is from the Milledge St. Bridge looking toward Downtown. This view will look different in two years as the expressway will undergo a makeover.
With the temporary flow of federal money again, GDOT let $264 million worth of today that had been deferred...
QuoteLast week, Congress passed an extension authorizing federal transportation spending through mid-November. Before lawmakers acted, the DOT had announced it would not release federal funds because of the uncertain outlook for federal funding.
"A funding extension to Nov. 20, 2015, indicates a willingness to achieve a long-term transportation funding bill that this country desperately needs," DOT Commissioner Russell McMurry said. "The downside of the one-month extension is that the funding will not adequately advance all of the projects that are ready to go to bid in December and January."
Previsously deferred projects awarded include 15 miles of resurfacing work and operational improvements along Interstate 20 in Fulton, Cobb and Douglas counties. The $40 million project is to be competed by the end of next year.
http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/blog/capitol_vision/2015/11/georgia-dot-starts-federal-funds-flowing-again.html
Quote from: afguy on November 03, 2015, 07:02:13 PM
With the temporary flow of federal money again, GDOT let $264 million worth of today that had been deferred...
Quote15 miles of resurfacing work and operational improvements along Interstate 20 in Fulton, Cobb and Douglas counties. The $40 million project is to be competed by the end of next year.
http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/blog/capitol_vision/2015/11/georgia-dot-starts-federal-funds-flowing-again.html
I guess "operational improvements" refers to that thing at the I-285 interchange.
GDOT broke ground yesterday on the GA 400 widening in Forsyth County. At the ground breaking ceremony, GDOT announced the widening would be extended 4.4 miles where a new interchange will be constructed at GA 369, it will be exit 18. Work on the interchange will begin 2017 and the widening will be finised by 2018.
QuoteAfter the groundbreaking ceremony, county leaders gathered at the Forsyth Conference Center to hear from DOT Commissioner Russell McMurry and local officials at a Transportation Summit sponsored by the Cumming-Forsyth Chamber of Commerce. At the summit, attendees got some good news: based on a new bidding procedure, instead of stopping at Bald Ridge Marina Road, the project would continue another 4.4 miles north to Browns Bridge Road, where a full interchange would be constructed as a new Exit 18.
In his talk, Commissioner McMurry detailed some of the projects that Georgia DOT will be building in Forsyth County over the next few years. You can see many of them at this link. They include widening major east-west arteries, including McGinniss Ferry Road, Highway 20 from Gwinnett County to Cherokee County, and Highway 369, Browns Bridge Road / Matt Highway. In addition to the work on Georgia 400, other north-south route improvements include on Highway 9 / Atlanta Highway and Highway 371 / Post Road.
Many of the projects announced at the summit have long been on the drawing board, but no date had been set because financing for the projects was uncertain, at best. Commissioner McMurry cited the enactment of House Bill 170 as the reason the additional funds became available, going as far as telling attendees that his presentation would have been totally different had the measure not passed. He also cited the county's willingness to use its own money to do some of the initial work on the projects.
One of the summit attendees was Tom Moreland, the former Georgia DOT commissioner, whose eponymous interchange is fondly known as Spaghetti Junction to Atlantans. After the event ended, he got into a conversation with a visitor who noted a similarity between the budding partnership between the DOT and Forsyth County, and a similar relationship between the DOT and Gwinnett County 20 or 25 years ago. "There was another similarity between then and now," Moreland said. "25 years ago, Gwinnett passed its first bond issue to fund transportation projects."
http://www.peachpundit.com/2015/11/05/forsyth-county-breaks-ground-on-ga-400-widening/
I drove through here southbound on 75 last night, and all the exiting traffic is now on the direct connection ramp you see here. The loop is closed temporarily. The exit is now further upstream, and I noticed that the "1/2 MILE" on the BGS has been changed to 1/4.
Quote from: Tom958 on June 17, 2015, 09:56:31 AMOn an unrelated topic: The I-75-US 41/76 interchange on the north side of Dalton (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.7937422,-85.0012689,602m/data=!3m1!1e3) is getting a new southbound 75 to northbound 41 ramp in addition to an upgrade of the existing southbound to south/eastbound loop ramp. I can't tell in the field if there'll be one exit from 75 or two, and I'm too lazy to look up the project concept report.
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I'll be glad when GDOT is finished with all of the interchange upgrades along I-75.
I-285 has been named America's deadliest interstate...
http://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/45464976-story
Quote from: afguy on November 06, 2015, 06:37:29 PM
I'll be glad when GDOT is finished with all of the interchange upgrades along I-75.
I'll be
glad dead when GDOT is finished with all of the interchange upgrades along I-75. :rolleyes:
I'd been curious as to whether the interchange I was just talking about would have a single southbound exit serving both ramps or an exit directly from the mainline to the loop ramp, and I just finished looking it up. Turns out that the project is more interesting than I'd thought:
This was the project concept approved in 2000, with loop ramps in
both the northeast and southwest quadrants. The existing bridges carrying I-75 were to be retained; design exceptions were requested to fit six lanes of US 41-76 under them, though it was suggested that 41-76 might have to be lowered (!) to provide adequate overhead clearance for the widened bridges. Also, turn lanes to access the onramps were to be two laned and shorter than desired in order to fit them outboard of the bridges:
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A modified concept (https://gtas.dot.ga.gov/0000931/Concept%20Report/Revisions/0000931_REV_July09.pdf) was adopted in 2009. It defers the northbound loop ramp, but replaces the I-75 bridges (actually, it said that the loop ramp "would not be built," but it's apparent that more-than-incidental provision is being made for it-- note the extra bridge width on the northbound side). 41-76 would thus be a full-standard six lane boulevard, and the turn lanes for the onramps would be one lane as desired:
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Quote from: afguy on November 06, 2015, 06:38:12 PM
I-285 has been named America's deadliest interstate...
http://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/45464976-story
Number 6 is in my hometown... I-295 in Jacksonville, FL.. Shootings in the 1990s now in the top ten deadliest
HOT lane tolls on I-85 hit a new record of $12...
http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/morning_call/2015/11/i-85-hot-lane-toll-hits-new-record.html
Safety improvements are coming to I-516. It's about time GDOT update this dangerous corridor, I would still prefer though that they widened and puts lights on it though.
QuoteWTOC's Jamie Ertle has been pressing the Georgia Department of Transportation for its plan on a solution, and she discovered that major improvements are coming to the infamous stretch of road.
Savannah-Chatham Metro Police are fed up with responding to deadly wrecks in the same location. They asked the state for a safety audit, and they delivered it. Two years later, I'm sure you stopped holding your breath, but get ready...the state now has federal approval, and that means funding 80 percent of the $6.2 million project.
It may sound like a lot, but that's the price of safety - plus - the state will be using a relatively new paving technique called "high friction surface treatment."
"Very small granular material that helps tires adhere to the roadway, and that will be on the curve there on 516 and Veterans Parkway," said Jill Nagel, Georgia Department of Transportation Communications Director.
Just last month, a 23-year-old died when he lost control in that spot. It's a part of the highway that seems to be too much for some to handle.
WTOC Jamie Ertle: "Does it go "bump bump bump?"
"No, no, it'll be smooth. You won't feel it, but your tires will," Nagel said.
You'll also feel it on your drive time while the construction is underway.
"It's going to be inconvenient, but that's the process we have to go through," said Nagel. "We ask individual citizens and motorists going down 516 to take responsibility. It's not always the roadway's fault for what happens on it."
We don't have a date yet on when the project will start; that's up to the contractor. But, the state has an estimated completion date of Fall 2016.
http://www.wtoc.com/story/30494915/safety-upgrades-coming-to-i-516?utm_source=site&utm_medium=meganav&utm_campaign=meganav
GDOT is FINALLY extending the Navigator system along I-20 West to Highway 5 in Douglasville. I got this email from them today regarding the project....
QuoteThank you for contacting YOUR Georgia Department of Transportation. We received your email requesting information on the expansion of the Navigator system on I-20 west towards Douglasville. GDOT recently awarded a contract for this project and the Contractor has been issued a Notice to Proceed. The contract stipulates 500 days to completion (about a year and a half). The project will include installing fiber optic cable along I-20, and installing CCTV cameras, detection systems, and changeable message signs. Although most work will occur at night (especially parts that involve lane closures), you should start seeing visible evidence of progress very soon.
GDOT had their weekly monthly meeting today. At their meeting a large amount of bridge projects were added to the construction list for letting next month. Here's a listing of the projects...
Quote
1.P.I. No. 0013929, Bibb County, I-75 @ SR 87/US 23 in Macon —
Bridge Replacement in Congressional District 2
Action: Addition to the Program
2. P.I. No. 0013921 Bibb County, II-475 @ CR 742/Tucker Road 2 miles west of Macon —
Bridge Replacement in Congressional District 2 & 8
Action: Addition to the Program
3. P.I. No. 0013926, Muscogee County, SR 85/US 27 ALT @ CR 1660/Miller Road in Columbus—
Bridge Replacement in Congressional District 2
Action: Addition to the Program
4. P.I. No. 0013928, Spalding County, SR 16 @ Flint River 8 miles west of Griffin —
Bridge Replacement in Congressional District 3
Action: Addition to the Program
5. P.I. No. 0013922, Hall County, I-985 @ CS 991/Elachee Road in Gainesville —
Bridge Replacement in Congressional District 9
Action: Addition to the Program
6. P.I. No. 0013923, Jackson County, I-85 @ CR 250/Plainview Road 5.6 miles North of Jefferson —
Bridge Replacement in Congressional District 9
7. P.I. No. 0013925, McDuffie County, SR 10 @ Sweetwater Creek 3.6 miles SE of Thomson —
Bridge Replacement in Congressional District 10
Action: Addition to the Program
8. P.I. No. 0013924, Laurens County, SR 26 @ Indian Branch 5.2 miles SE of Brewton —
Bridge Replacement in Congressional District 12
Action: Addition to the Program
9. P.I. No. 0013927, Richmond County, SR 4/US 25 @ Savannah River at South Carolina State Line —
Bridge Replacement in Congressional District 12
Action: Addition to the Program
P.I. No. 0013935, Banks County, SR 15/US 441 4.8 MI SE of Homer —
Bridge Replacement in Congressional District 9
Action: Addition to the Program
2. P.I. No. 0013936, Carroll County, SR 100 at Turkey Creek 2 MI N of Bowdon—
Bridge Replacement in Congressional District 3
Action: Addition to the Program
3. P.I. No. 0013937, Floyd County, SR 1/US 27 at Big Dry Creek in Rome—
Bridge Replacement in Congressional District 14
Action: Addition to the Program
4. P.I. No. 0013938 Franklin County, SR 59 at Middle Fork Broad River 1.7 MI SW of Carnesville—
Bridge Replacement in Congressional District 9
Action: Addition to the Program
5. P.I. No. 0013939, Franklin County, SR 59 at Stephens Creek in Carnesville—
Bridge Replacement in Congressional District 2
Action: Addition to the Program
6. P.I. No. 0013940, Muscogee County, SR 22/US 80 at Kendall Creek in Columbus —
Bridge Replacement in Congressional District 2
Action: Addition to the Program
P.I. No. 0013941, Troup County, SR 1 at Flat Shoals Creek 8 MI SE of LaGrange—
Bridge Replacement in Congressional District 3
Action: Addition to the Program
8. P.I. No. 0013942, Troup County, SR 1/US 27 at Long Cane Creek 3.5 MI SE of LaGrange—
Bridge Replacement in Congressional District 3
Action: Addition to the Program
9. P.I. No. 0013943, Walker County, SR 1/US 27 at West Chickamauga Creek—
Bridge Replacement in Congressional District 14
Action: Addition to the Program
10. P.I. No. 0013944, Wayne County, SR 169 at Goose Creek 4 MI N of Jesup—
Bridge Replacement in Congressional District 1
Action: Addition to the Program
11. P.I. No. 0013945, Wilkinson County, SR 57 at Kaolin Pipe Line 1.8 MI S of Gordon—
Bridge Replacement in Congressional District 8
Action: Addition to the Program
12. P.I. No. 0013960, Meriwether County, CR 285/Dan Stribling Road at CSX #639372l 3.5 MI S of Gay—
Bridge Replacement in Congressional District 3
Action: Addition to the Program
13. P.I. No. 0013990, Dawson County, SR 136 at Toto Creek 7.6 MI SE of Dawsonville—
Bridge Replacement in Congressional District 9
Action: Addition to the Program
14. P.I. No. 0013991 DeKalb County, SR 42 at S Fork Peachtree Creek 3.35 MI NW of Decatur—
Bridge Replacement in Congressional District 5
Action: Addition to the Program
15. P.I. No. 0013992, Dougherty County, SR 520 BU at Flint River in Albany—
Bridge Replacement in Congressional District 2
Action: Addition to the Program
16. P.I. No. 0013993, Glynn County, SR 32 at Little Buffalo Creek 3 MI W of SR 27—
Bridge Replacement in Congressional District 1
Action: Addition to the Program
17. P.I. No. 0013994, Gordon County, SR 136 at Coosawattee River 5 MI E of Nickelsville—
Bridge Replacement in Congressional District 14
Action: Addition to the Program
18. P.I. No. 0013995, Henry County, SR 42 at NS #718418R 5 MI S of McDonough—
Bridge Replacement in Congressional District 3
Action: Addition to the Program
19. P.I. No. 0013996, Madison County, SR 8 at South Fork Broad River—
Bridge Replacement in Congressional District 9
Action: Addition to the Program
20. P.I. No. 0013937 Madison County, SR 281 at Broad River 8 MI N of Comer—
Bridge Replacement in Congressional District 9
Action: Addition to the Program
21. P.I. No. 0013998, Oconee and Walton County, SR 186 at Apalachee River—
Bridge Replacement in Congressional District 10
Action: Addition to the Program
22. P.I. No. 0013999, Troup County, SR 18 EB and WB at Long Cane Creek in West Point—
Bridge Replacement in Congressional District 3
Action: Addition to the Program
http://www.dot.ga.gov/AboutGeorgia/Board/Presentations/December2015Letting.pdf
Hope everyone had a nice Thanksgiving. In my spare time today, I found some more project diagrams at GDOT's website. The projects highlighted are the I-85/SR 18 roundabout project, South Tifton Bypass and Effingham Pkwy.
I-85/SR 18 Interchange Project-Troup County
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/647/23231322642_aa88840d1b_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/BoSARy)I-85/S.R. 18 Interchange Roundabout Project-Troup County (https://flic.kr/p/BoSARy) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
Beginning in 2017, GDOT plans to convert the existing diamond interchange at I-85/S.R. 18 into an interchange that will feature a roundabout at each end of the interchange.
South Tifton Bypass-Tift County
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/755/23257323211_1478ed89f3_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/BraRVe)South Tifton Bypass-Tift County (https://flic.kr/p/BraRVe) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
This a diagram of what the South Tifton Bypass will look like. This 9.1 mile long road will begin at the intersection of SR 520/US 82 and Carpenter
Road, west of the City of Tifton, and would end at the intersection of SR 35/US 319 and New River Church Road, east of the City of Tifton.
The bypass will consist of a two-lane facility with variable turn
lanes. The section between Tech Drive, just west of I-75, and Vernon Drive/Magnolia Industrial Boulevard, east of US 41, would consist of a four-lane facility because of the higher existing traffic volumes on this section. The proposed bypass would utilize both rural design with grassed shoulders and drainage ditches and urban design with curb-and-gutter and closed drainage systems.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/667/22712744723_9a256739f6_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/AB3KGX)South Tifton Bypass I-75 Interchange-Tift County (https://flic.kr/p/AB3KGX) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
This diagram shows what the reconstructed Southwell Blvd interchange with I-75 will look like. Southwell Blvd is one of the roads that will be used as part of the 9.1 mile long South Tifton Bypass. Construction should begin in 2019.
Effingham Parkway-Effingham County
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/696/23313904096_291a0adf30_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/BwaRrJ)Effingham Pkwy-Effingham County (https://flic.kr/p/BwaRrJ) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
The Effingham Pkwy will consist of constructing a two-lane new location roadway from SR 30 to Blue Jay Road. The project would begin at SR 30 approximately 1.5 miles west of SR 21 and be located across from Chatham County's proposed Benton Boulevard Extension project. The end of the project would terminate at Blue Jay Road, approximately 3.2 miles west of SR 21. The intersection of Effingham Parkway at Blue Jay Road would be realigned to have Effingham Parkway tie into the east side of Blue Jay Road and the west side of Blue Jay Road would form a T-intersection with Effingham Parkway. The typical section is proposed to have 12-foot lanes with 10-foot outside shoulders (including 6.5-foot paved) on an 80-foot right-of-way. Right-turn and left-turn lanes would be provided at the intersections of SR 30, Goshen Road and Blue Jay Road. The total length of the project is approximately 6.36 miles. No construction date has been set.
GDOT is having a public meeting Monday on whether to build a bypass around the town of Bishop in Oconee County or widen U.S. 441 through the heart of the town. Personally, I prefer the bypass.
QuoteProposals for the widening project include a bypass around Bishop as an alternative to widening the highway through the middle of town, where many businesses and homes are situated close to the route. A bypass, on the other hand, could cut through or near residential areas on the western side of the town and century-old family farms on the other side of the community.
Monday's public meeting is scheduled to run from 5 to 7 p.m. at the Community Center in Oconee Veterans Park at 3500 Hog Mountain Road. The Madison Athens-Clarke Oconee Regional Transportation Study, a transportation planning group, has also scheduled public hearings on the widening project in Madison County on Thursday and in Athens on Dec. 7.
Either through Bishop or around it, the project would be a big change for the town of about 230 people. A bypass could carry traffic away from the town's small businesses, while widening the road through Bishop would cut the town in two and require moving or demolishing historic buildings.
http://onlineathens.com/mobile/2015-11-28/hearing-monday-proposed-highway-bypass-around-oconee-county-town-bishop
GDOT has awarded another contract for widening GA 133....
Quotehe four-laning of State Highway 133 linking Albany and Valdosta is moving a little closer to reality with a recent contract award by the Georgia Department of Transportation.
#The latest award covers 7.9 miles in Colquitt County from the Old Berlin Road to Hawthrone Road. The $28.7 million contract was awarded to Reames and Son Construction Company, Inc. of Valdosta. The expected completion date is June 30, 2018.
#This is the third of nine Georgia DOT projects planned to four-lane Highway 133 between Albany and Valdosta. All three so far have been linking Moultrie and Valdosta. Leaders in Albany view the route as significant for economic growth and to Marine Corps Logistics Base-Albany. The entire route will be switched from two lanes to four lanes due to its inclusion in the Governor's Road Improvement program.
#"Improvements consist of widening the existing two lane State route 133 to a four-lane roadway with turn lanes as needed," said Nita Birmingham, spokesperson for the GDOT district office in Tifton. "The roadway median type of the typical section was revised to a five-lane flush median through the City of Berlin and Eastern Moultrie with a 14 foot two way center turn lane and a 10 foot rural shoulder."
#The two earlier bids lettings covered slightly more than 11 miles of four-lane improvements in Colquitt and Brooks counties
http://www.albanyherald.com/news/2015/nov/29/contract-adds-another-link-to-highway-133/
Exit 66 on I-75 is closed for reconstruction....
http://wfxl.com/news/local/exit-66-closing-for-construction
With today's passage of the federal transportation bill, Governor Deal is planning to release a list of new projects that will be announced when the general assembly meets in January. Definitely looking forward to see what is planned...
QuoteOn a brighter note, the governor went into a little more detail about new transportation projects he had hinted were coming in his address to the Council for Quality Growth. The project list will include all the regions within the state. "I anticipate having a map of the entire state of Georgia," Deal said, that will "show all of the projects both in the metro as well as those that are outside the metro region that are going to be done with the extra money."
One reason that money will be available for new transportation projects is because the federal government will have passed a long range transportation funding bill. President Obama is expected to sign the measure today. The federal money the state will receive can be used for some of the maintenance and repair projects that were originally planned to be paid for with money from the state's 2015 Transportation Funding Act. That allows state dollars to be used for new projects that will cost less than if they were constructed with federal dollars.
Pleased to see a longer transportation bill at the federal level, Governor Deal said, "I wait to see what all the details of that might include, but that's an indication that at least Congress understands the importance of the transportation bill and the funding that's necessary for keeping our infrastructure in place."
The governor didn't indicate the size and scope of the project list, but said he had seen a proposed list. His opinion? "I think its going to probably be the biggest visible evidence of tax reform and the results of it that we have seen in this state in a very very long time."
http://www.peachpundit.com/2015/12/04/gov-deal-is-concerned-about-new-syrian-refugees-enthusiastic-about-proposed-transportation-projects/
Work continues on the DDI at I-85 and Jimmy Carter....
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/construction-continues-near-jimmy-carter-bridge/npdmN/
I still wish the GA 20 upgrades would have included limited-access options. But I guess this is better than nothing...
Quote"This project is a perfect example of the positive impact that using state funds has over federal funding for projects such as this," Georgia Commissioner of Transportation Russell McMurry said. "We are thankful to the governor and the legislature for their support of reduced dependency on federal funding to address Georgia's transportation needs."
With the backing of Gov. Nathan Deal, the General Assembly passed a $900 million transportation funding bill last spring.
The legislation replaced the state sales tax on motor fuels with an excise tax of 26 cents per gallon on gasoline and 29 cents a gallon on diesel. It also imposed a user fee of $200 a year on non-commercial electric vehicles, levied a road impact fee of up to $100 a year on heavy trucks and created a statewide hotel-motel tax of $5 per night.
http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/blog/capitol_vision/2015/12/state-funding-secured-for-widening-georgia-20.html
So rather than use the new funds for a 90-10 or 80-20 federal match and stretching them out, we're going to blow all the state funds at once on a few projects. GDOT should have checked with TDOT about how doing that with SR 840 blew the budget for doing anything else substantial for a decade.
The Encore Parkway bridge over GA 400 will be closing next year for roadwork...
QuoteIf you use the Encore Parkway bridge over Ga. 400 in Alpharetta, better start making other plans. It'll be closed next year from January to November as part of a road improvement project.
The North Fulton Community Improvement District, city of Alpharetta and state road and transportation officials are teaming up to widen a seven-tenths-of-a-mile stretch of Encore between Westside and Northpoint parkways. As part of that, the bridge is being demolished, replaced and upgraded to accommodate any future Ga. 400 widening.
The $12 million project will also include wider 14-foot travel lanes, bike lanes, sidewalks, landscaped buffers and a raised, landscaped median. The approximately 18-month upgrade process started earlier this fall and is set to finish up in 2017.
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/alpharetta-bridge-closing-next-year-for-roadwork/npfRZ/
Rendering of new bridge...
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/696/23512582002_8a35a215e4_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/BPJ8sS)Encore Parkway Bridge-Alpharetta (https://flic.kr/p/BPJ8sS) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
I dont get the 14 foot lanes, I thought 12 was a standard width.
Quote from: Georgia on December 09, 2015, 12:29:48 AM
I dont get the 14 foot lanes, I thought 12 was a standard width.
The existing road is 1 lane in each direction. If that remains the case after construction (the article doesn't say), a 14' single lane could be justified to allow pulling over into the bike lane lane and allowing vehicles to overtake a distressed vehicle or an emergency vehicle to pass you.
Quote from: lordsutch on December 08, 2015, 04:08:02 PM
So rather than use the new funds for a 90-10 or 80-20 federal match and stretching them out, we're going to blow all the state funds at once on a few projects. GDOT should have checked with TDOT about how doing that with SR 840 blew the budget for doing anything else substantial for a decade.
As the previous article states, the whole reason for using state funds for just a few projects is to speed up the lengthy environmental process. If the money was spread out more, that would still require federal funding along with the federal environmental rules.
From personal experience, a project I'm currently working on was just changed to all state funding, a move that shaved about 2 years off the schedule.
The team has been selected to rebuild the GA400/I-285 interchange.
QuoteThe state transportation board on Thursday morning has selected a preferred team to design, build and partially finance the I-285/Ga. 400 interchange, which is expected to bring relief to one of the most heavily traveled corridors in the nation.
North Perimeter Contractors won the bid at $460 million, which brings the revised total for the project to $679 million. The team is a partnership between contractor Ferrovial Agroman US Corp and engineering firms The Louis Berger Group and Neel-Shaffer.
The price tag makes the reconstruction of the interchange one of the most – but not the most – expensive road project in state history.
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/transportation/team-selected-to-build-ga-400i-285-interchange/npgb9/
GDOT is seeking $6.9 billion to finish the GRIP highways. GDOT wants to widen all of U.S. 280, SR 32 in North Georgia and finish widening U.S. 441, SR 17, SR 72 and U.S. 1.
http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/print-edition/2015/12/11/state-dot-wants-6-9-billion-to-finish-rural.html
sorry if this was covered already, but I was in Atlanta recently after not being there for 9 years, since when do they use the regular FHWA Series E font vs the narrower Series D they used to use and when did they stop using the full width exit tabs?
Quote from: mariethefoxy on December 13, 2015, 09:02:11 PM
sorry if this was covered already, but I was in Atlanta recently after not being there for 9 years, since when do they use the regular FHWA Series E font vs the narrower Series D they used to use and when did they stop using the full width exit tabs?
IIRC, we decided that it started on 2010, though it didn't really start going crazy until 2014. This spot (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.876543,-84.4485084,3a,75y,301.96h,78.03t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1soKCwjvJWAdzjyUFxtWz3vg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DoKCwjvJWAdzjyUFxtWz3vg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D107.57657%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656) is the first place I recall seeing the new skool signage, and the streetview from 2011 has it.
they had a bunch of it on I-285
QuoteThe 2014 version of the metro Atlanta region's future spending plan for road, bridge and transit system improvements called for about $79 billion in spending through the year 2040. But the outlook is far rosier today, thanks to the infusion of close to a billion more dollars per year from HB 170, the bill that raised the gas tax and imposed new fees on hotel motel stays, as well as electric vehicles and heavy trucks.
Now we can expect to see $86.1 billion in investment over the same time period, according to the most recent version of the Atlanta Regional Commission's Plan 2040.
And that doesn't include the added funds from HB 170, which ARC officials estimate will range between $10-15 billion over the 24-year period.
The $7 billion boost reflects an increase in transportation funds available from additional tax revenue from a stronger economy and from the additional income from the MARTA one-percent sales tax in Clayton County, said Jim Jaquish, a spokesman for the ARC.
Here's how the money in the new plan breaks down:
Construction of managed toll lanes (114 miles): $6.9 billion
Major roadway and intersection improvements: $9.8 billion
Potential transit expansion projects: $12 billion
Transit operations and maintenance: $30.7 billion
Road maintenance, operations and safety: $24.3 billion
Bicycle/Pedestrian facilities: $1.9 billion
Management of demand on the network (promoting carpooling, telecommuting and other commute alternatives): $0.5 billion
The plan is available for review online at www.atlantaregionsplan.com. Comments are being accepted through Jan. 15. The ARC board is expected to adopt The Atlanta Region's Plan early next year, after public feedback is incorporated.
http://commuting.blog.ajc.com/2015/12/16/transportation-spending-gets-7-billion-boost/
Updated information on another 3.5-mile section of the Fall Line Freeway. There may be delays due to the recent cold. It has dipped below freezing twice, of late.
http://www.unionrecorder.com/news/possible-delays-for-phase-of-fall-line-opening/article_2fc43686-a5e5-11e5-8c68-87018331fb14.html
Quote from: xcellntbuy on December 19, 2015, 09:46:13 AM
Updated information on another 3.5-mile section of the Fall Line Freeway. There may be delays due to the recent cold. It has dipped below freezing twice, of late.
http://www.unionrecorder.com/news/possible-delays-for-phase-of-fall-line-opening/article_2fc43686-a5e5-11e5-8c68-87018331fb14.html
Big, round bent columns.I don't recall seeing that design before:
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Something caught my eye when I opened Google Maps on my laptop: GA 316 has been redrawn to reflect current conditions in the construction area (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.9757888,-83.9933563,15.5z) as opposed to either the preexisting or ultimate configuration.
Yes, the concrete columns remind me of the New York State Thruway.
In a related update, the opening of the latest 3.5-mile section of the Fall Line Freeway has been delayed until January 19, 2016. Instead of normally colder temperatures, it has been very warm with lots of rainfall as far south as Milledgeville.
GDOT is FINALLY replacing the Oglethorpe Avenue Bridge in Downtown Albany.
QuoteGeorgia Gov. Nathan Deal's proposed statewide transportation projects list released recently includes funding for the engineering necessary to start what is expected to be complete replacement of the Oglethorpe Boulevard bridge, one of Albany's most prominent east-west connectors.
City officials have already started talking about plans to reroute traffic during what could realistically be a five- to eight-year process.
"My expectation is that we would work closely with Department of Transportation officials to find the most effective, and time-sensitive, way to complete this project," Albany City Manager Sharon Subadan said. "It certainly will have a major impact on traffic into and out of the city."
While Deal's plan allows for engineering funding in 2016 needed to start the planning process for the overhaul of the Oglethorpe bridge, Albany drivers got a taste of what to expect with the replacement of the renamed Broad Avenue Memorial Bridge. That structure, which was condemned in 2009, was finally finished and reopened six years later, on Nov. 11 of this year.
Albany/Dougherty Planning Services Director Paul Forgey, who serves as chairman of the Dougherty Area Regional Transportation Study Coordinating Committee, said that while it is not immediately clear if DOT's plan is to completely replace the Oglethorpe bridge, he would not be surprised if that is the case.
"The last time before their most recent inspection, DOT found that the Oglethorpe bridge was "˜low quality,'" Forgey said. "There could be a way to structurally repair the bridge without replacing it completely, but everything I've read indicates the bridge needs to be replaced. It's still safe enough to drive on right now, but there appears to be a feeling that that won't last too much longer.
"What I've gathered from the governor's transportation plan is that there will be funding for preliminary engineering in the next year. After that has been completed and approved, construction will follow. I think the general feeling (of DOT officials) is that this bridge needs to be replaced within the next 10 years, so why not do it now?"
http://www.albanyherald.com/news/gdot-funding-allocated-for-oglethorpe-bridge-replacement/article_162ac08b-b0ea-56b2-814d-f6340c780617.html
Anyone here know how the GA 17 project is going between the Toccoa bypass and I-85? I think it's partially a 4 laning of the existing 2 lane corridor plus a new terrain bypass around Martin.
I've tried searching but can't find much in the way of recent updates.
Here's a link from GDOT that gives an update of the S.R. 17 corridor as of December 2015.
http://www.dot.ga.gov/BuildSmart/programs/documents/GRIP/Facts/US1SR17FactSheet.pdf
BTW, GDOT has launched a study of the Downtown Connector in Atlanta. Hopefully some practical ideas can come out of this study...
http://www.dot.ga.gov/BS/Studies/DowntownConnector
Quote from: afguy on December 30, 2015, 02:21:57 PM
Here's a link from GDOT that gives an update of the S.R. 17 corridor as of December 2015.
http://www.dot.ga.gov/BuildSmart/programs/documents/GRIP/Facts/US1SR17FactSheet.pdf
Thanks, I didn't realize it was part of a larger corridor project across most of the state.
Though it makes sense now looking back, as I have driven part of that corridor and do remember some bypasses. One I found particularly interesting was the one around Royston, which at both ends has intersections where a 4 lane dead ends onto a 2 lane with just stop/yield signs.
Quote from: afguy on December 30, 2015, 02:21:57 PM
BTW, GDOT has launched a study of the Downtown Connector in Atlanta. Hopefully some practical ideas can come out of this study...
http://www.dot.ga.gov/BS/Studies/DowntownConnector
Some sort of express-local setup is probably the best that can be hoped for. At the very least it would reduce the breakdown in through traffic flow from all the exiting and entering traffic.
Reviving GA 400 south of I-85 to I-285 would probably help too, but I'm not sure if there'd be enough through traffic to make it a viable toll road, which is the only way it'd be constructed I think.
I think an express-local lane setup would work, but it would have to use existing right-of-way. Considering all of the development that is happening in Midtown and Downtown, the city would not want to see valuable land eaten up by a freeway. However, I know the Midtown Alliance wants to see a new exit built at 15th Street. As regards to extending 400 south, that's a no-go. The eastside neighborhoods fought those plans 40 years ago and won and in those 40 years, Atlanta's eastside neighborhoods like Virginia-Highland, Old Fourth Ward and Inman Park have become some of the mot sought after real estate in the region.
Quote from: afguy on December 30, 2015, 06:13:37 PM
I think an express-local lane setup would work, but it would have to use existing right-of-way. Considering all of the development that is happening in Midtown and Downtown, the city would not want to see valuable land eaten up by a freeway. However, I know the Midtown Alliance wants to see a new exit built at 15th Street.
... which would just make the congestion worse, since a lot of it is due to traffic jockeying for position to exit or enter the connector between I-20 and the split.
To stay in the existing footprint, you'd probably have to either bury or elevate the express lanes. The MARTA bridge probably precludes elevated lanes, which leaves something like I-635 in Dallas as the remaining option.
QuoteAs regards to extending 400 south, that's a no-go. The eastside neighborhoods fought those plans 40 years ago and won and in those 40 years, Atlanta's eastside neighborhoods like Virginia-Highland, Old Fourth Ward and Inman Park have become some of the mot sought after real estate in the region.
My understanding is that the semi-serious proposals for 400 south would have it tunneled, likely without any access points, between I-20 and I-85. Granted that doesn't mean there wouldn't be any South Pasadena-style hysteria about tunnel subsidence or radon or whatever, but the actual surface impacts would be minimal.
Here's a diagram showing the layout of the Talbotton/Warm Springs Rd widening in Collumbus. The project will get underway this year.
A description of the project...
"Beginning in 2016, GDOT will widen 1.9 miles of Talbotton/Warm Springs Rd between 7th Ave and Woodruff Rd/Hilton Ave. The work would include reconstructing Talbotton Road/Warm Springs Road from an existing 2‐lane alternating urban/rural section to a 4‐lane urban section. The typical would consist of four, 11‐foot wide travel lanes (two in each direction), a 16‐foot wide raised median, and 12‐foot wide urban shoulder with a 5‐foot wide sidewalk on at least one side of the project (on both sides of the roadway in residential areas). Turn lanes will be constructed at intersections as required. Dual left turn lanes will be constructed on both approaches along Warm Springs Road at the intersection with Woodruff Road/Hilton Avenue."
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5644/24130550106_a405c25265_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CLknRm)Talbotton/Warm Springs Rd widening-Columbus,GA (https://flic.kr/p/CLknRm) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
More project diagrams from the GDOT files! First up is the proposed widening of U.S. 27 through LaGrange.
U.S. 27 Widening-LaGrange
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1644/23861880280_e4b17f7116_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CmAnEY)U.S. 27/SR1 widening-LaGrange,GA (https://flic.kr/p/CmAnEY) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1684/23790089599_206d7c8ccc_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CffqNB)U.S. 27/SR 1 widening-LaGrange,GA (https://flic.kr/p/CffqNB) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
Last is the proposed Third Army Road interchange with I-75. Below is a description of the project and renderings...
Third Army Rd/I-75 interchange-Cobb/Bartow County
GDOT is proposing to build a new limited-access highway from the existing Dabbs Bridge Rd in Paulding County, thru Cobb and Bartow County, to a new interchange at I-75. The new interchange would be located approx. halfway between the bridges over Joe Stella Drive and the bridges over Lake Allatoona. The new limited-access highway would consist of two to three lanes in each direction, with a 24-foot raised median. The new road will be parallel to and lie north of the existing Third Army Rd. The new highway will also include a new grade separated intersection with U.S. 41/Cobb Parkway. To the west of U.S. 41, the proposed project will include the relocation of Dabbs Bridge Rd. The earliest construction would begin is 2018.
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1471/24133486086_f5cb3449cb_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CLAqBG)Third Army Rd/I-75 Interchange-Cobb/Bartow County (https://flic.kr/p/CLAqBG) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1627/23531334284_63ba308cf4_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/BRoeS5)Third Army Road/I-75 Interchange-Cobb/Bartow County (https://flic.kr/p/BRoeS5) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
Quote from: afguy on January 03, 2016, 08:05:37 PM
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1627/23531334284_63ba308cf4_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/BRoeS5)Third Army Road/I-75 Interchange-Cobb/Bartow County (https://flic.kr/p/BRoeS5) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
Ramp leading onto US 41, bottom left: There's no acceleration lane depicted in the perspective view. Does that mean there'll be a stop sign at the bottom of this ramp?
And why does the ramp onto Third Army Road look like it can handle turns from either direction on 41?
Quote from: jeffandnicole on January 04, 2016, 10:41:19 AMAnd why does the ramp onto Third Army Road look like it can handle turns from either direction on 41?
For the same reason that all of the roundabout interchanges shown here are dumbells instead of dogbones. :spin:
Here are some APL's on I-285 approaching I-75 (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.8811092,-84.4693842,1513m/data=!3m1!1e3). I almost typed "newish," but Streetview has them going up between Oct 2014 and Mar 2015. A case could be made for posting this in a more general signage thread, but this often-epic thread could use a little :wub: at the moment. :love:
First, still sticking with traditional signage closer to the first offramp than usual. There are four lanes here, but a fifth lane is added on the right shortly before the US 41 exit. That means that both of the right lanes here are option lanes-- not an easy thing to sign by any method. More on that below.
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The first APL sign. Note the lack of exit only panels. The fifth lane is added on the right just beyond those bridges. Ideally the legend for I-75 would be between the two right arrows, but it won't fit. Maybe they could try
75
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One of the challenges of signing this configuration is to communicate that there's a lane drop, but to do so in such a way as not to prompt panicked and possibly unnecessary lanes changing. I've never liked the little California-style exit only tabs, but putting them on the right arrow here would be a really good idea, IMO, especially since we're within well less than a mile of the lane drop. They'd also offer a clue that the configuration shown for the ramp to 75 isn't exactly as it's shown.
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Next one, at the ramp for US 41. Fairly unusually for Georgia, the gantry is placed nearly at the nose of the gore. A case could've been made for using a conventional sign for the exit (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.8253932,-84.3485471,3a,75y,240.04h,83.71t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s8iJkJHtmoFua-PNXeuaOvg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656), which would've made it logical to use a split arrow for the upcoming 285-75 divergence, but instead they used the same pattern that Georgia uses where there is no option lane. Oh, well, at least the sign legends are where they're supposed to be in relation to the arrows. Off the topic of sign geekery, the cranes beyond are for the new Braves stadium.
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Finally, at the 285-75 split. This time, the gantry is located slightly past the nose of the gore, and therefore once again no split arrow is used. That means that even though there are two successive option lanes, these three APL signs use a grand total of one split arrow between them.
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I found these two maps on GDOT's website today. GDOT is really making a big deal of the new funding they are getting because of HB 170 aka the Transportation Funding Act of 2015. Lots of projects are planned in Metro Atlanta, Savannah and other areas of the state over the next 10 years. Projects that caught my eye were the truck only lanes planned for 75 south from S.R. 155 to I-475 North and the state is FINALLY rebuilding the I-16/I-95 interchange and widening I-16 to I-516. All three projects are desperately needed. In the second map it shows the GRIP corridors that will be built over the next 10 years as well. Lots of exciting projects to look forward to between now and 2025.
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1471/24034051030_1770eb2498_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CBNN3b)GDOT Major Mobility Investments (https://flic.kr/p/CBNN3b) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1498/24329604505_20d29b7210_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/D4VzMK)GDOT Freight Mobility GRIP Plans (https://flic.kr/p/D4VzMK) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
But the rural four lane project with the 18/1 benefit/cost ratio (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=16862.0) didn't make it.
From the multicolored map, of personal interest is the widening of US 129 and 441 north of Eatonton to Madison at Interstate 20. Some sections of the road between these two small cities 20 miles north of the old capital are three lanes (an alternating passing lane) through farmland and forested areas. The pavement is deeply rutted in many places. :wave:
The governor today announced a 10-year, $10 billion transportation plan. The highlights include express toll lanes along I-285 north of I-20, rebuilding both of the I-285 interchanges with I-20, express toll lanes on 400, truck only lanes on I-75 between Macon and Locust Grove, rebuilding the I-16/I-95 interchange in Savannah and widening 7 miles of I-16 in Savannah.
QuoteWithin the plan is an 18-month list of road resurfacings and bridge repairs and replacements that will cost $2.2 billion. New construction, including interstate express lanes and improvements at interstate exchanges across metro Atlanta, will come later."One year ago, I stood before the General Assembly and urged members to prioritize Georgia's transportation needs," Deal said during a ceremony at the Capitol. "Legislators on both sides of the aisle took action, working together to pass legislation addressing these critical needs. Today, we are delivering on our promise."
Georgia Commissioner of Transportation Russell McMurry said the 18-month project list calls for resurfacing more than 2,500 miles of roadways, replacing 118 deteriorating bridges and repairing 300 others. Construction crews also will improve 109 intersections and widen 36 stretches of highway from two lanes to four.
"We now have the ability to start addressing the backlog of work to Georgia's critical infrastructure and increase preventive maintenance across the state," McMurry said. "Our first priority is to take care of the existing transportation system."
http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/blog/capitol_vision/2016/01/deal-wants-10-billion-10-year-transportation.html
QuoteGeorgia plans to build separate lanes for large trucks on Interstate 75 between Macon and exit 155 in McDonough as part of the state's transportation plan.
The new lanes will provide "separation for trucks from the normal passenger cars. So that's definitely a safety improvement, that's definitely a mobility improvement," Georgia Department of Transportation Commissioner Russell McMurry said Tuesday.
McMurry was speaking at a news conference led by Republican Gov. Nathan Deal to unveil the list of projects that will be funded by several tax and fee changes made last year.
Deal said the projects will reduce congestion and make Georgia's roads safer.
The Legislature passed a new $5 fee per night on hotel and motel stays and new charges for alternative fuel vehicles. Lawmakers also changed the gasoline tax to a tax on volume of gas instead of the sales price, resulting in a rise of five to six cents a gallon when the law went into effect.
Some Republicans called it a big tax increase and refused to vote for it. The bill that contained all the changes, House Bill 170, only passed after contentious debate and with some Democrat support.
The measures in House Bill 170 are expected to raise about $700 million for transportation in the fiscal year that ends in July, McMurry said. The following year, the measures are projected to raise about $830 million.
Read more here: http://www.macon.com/news/local/politics-government/article54295830.html#storylink=cpy
http://www.macon.com/news/local/politics-government/article54295830.html
The AJC broke down the cost of each project. By far the most expensive projects will be the express toll lanes on 285. The lanes on the top will cost $5.9 Billion :-o! The only other projects in the Billionaires club are the express lanes on 400 at $2.4 Billion and $2 Billion for the truck only lanes on 75 between Macon and McDonough.
http://www.myajc.com/news/news/local/gov-nathan-deal-unveils-10-year-10-billion-transpo/np35c/
A 3.5 mile section of the Fall Line Freeway will open Tuesday...
http://www.13wmaz.com/story/news/local/milledgeville/2016/01/18/fall-line-freeway/78979202/
A diagram of the new DDI currently being built at I-95 and S.R. 21 in Port Wentworth.
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1648/24446621536_7a1064ef08_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/DfgjSL)I-95/S.R. 21 DDI-Chatham County (https://flic.kr/p/DfgjSL) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
I still need info on US 301 info in Georgia, for that Wikipedia article on US 301, and I'd like some info on where it crosses the Jesup City Line, when it leaves Statesboro city limits going north, and most importantly, does the US 301 Business Route in Sylvania still exist, or is that just SR 73?
Quote from: afguy on January 12, 2016, 12:49:29 AM
I found these two maps on GDOT's website today. GDOT is really making a big deal of the new funding they are getting because of HB 170 aka the Transportation Funding Act of 2015. Lots of projects are planned in Metro Atlanta, Savannah and other areas of the state over the next 10 years. Projects that caught my eye were the truck only lanes planned for 75 south from S.R. 155 to I-475 North and the state is FINALLY rebuilding the I-16/I-95 interchange and widening I-16 to I-516. All three projects are desperately needed. In the second map it shows the GRIP corridors that will be built over the next 10 years as well. Lots of exciting projects to look forward to between now and 2025.
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1471/24034051030_1770eb2498_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CBNN3b)GDOT Major Mobility Investments (https://flic.kr/p/CBNN3b) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1498/24329604505_20d29b7210_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/D4VzMK)GDOT Freight Mobility GRIP Plans (https://flic.kr/p/D4VzMK) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
I'm glad to see that I-85 will be six-laned north to Commerce at least, and I'm also glad to see that U.S. 441 will be four-laned between Athens and Milledgeville, but my enthusiasm is tempered when I see no plans to six-lane I-85 north to the South Carolina state line, or four-lane U.S. 129 between Eatonton and Gray (with a bypass around Gray). The former would put some pressure on South Carolina to do something with I-85, and the latter would provide four lanes the entire way between Athens and Macon.
Quote from: Gnutella on January 28, 2016, 12:48:24 AM
Quote from: afguy on January 12, 2016, 12:49:29 AM
I found these two maps on GDOT's website today. GDOT is really making a big deal of the new funding they are getting because of HB 170 aka the Transportation Funding Act of 2015. Lots of projects are planned in Metro Atlanta, Savannah and other areas of the state over the next 10 years. Projects that caught my eye were the truck only lanes planned for 75 south from S.R. 155 to I-475 North and the state is FINALLY rebuilding the I-16/I-95 interchange and widening I-16 to I-516. All three projects are desperately needed. In the second map it shows the GRIP corridors that will be built over the next 10 years as well. Lots of exciting projects to look forward to between now and 2025.
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I'm glad to see that I-85 will be six-laned north to Commerce at least, and I'm also glad to see that U.S. 441 will be four-laned between Athens and Milledgeville, but my enthusiasm is tempered when I see no plans to six-lane I-85 north to the South Carolina state line, or four-lane U.S. 129 between Eatonton and Gray (with a bypass around Gray). The former would put some pressure on South Carolina to do something with I-85, and the latter would provide four lanes the entire way between Athens and Macon.
I don't really think that 85 needs to be widened all the way to SC, at least not as much as some other projects in the state. Of all the times I've driven it, it doesn't seem to be particularly busy past Braselton. Also, I feel as though SC has done its fair share of work on improving I-85, widening it from Anderson all the way to Spartanburg
Quote from: Gnutella on January 28, 2016, 12:48:24 AM
I'm glad to see that I-85 will be six-laned north to Commerce at least, and I'm also glad to see that U.S. 441 will be four-laned between Athens and Milledgeville, but my enthusiasm is tempered when I see no plans to six-lane I-85 north to the South Carolina state line, or four-lane U.S. 129 between Eatonton and Gray (with a bypass around Gray). The former would put some pressure on South Carolina to do something with I-85, and the latter would provide four lanes the entire way between Athens and Macon.
The 4-lane Gray bypass is already under construction (northern loop, from just west of the U.S. 129/GA 18 intersection west of Gray to GA 22 east of Gray) and there is an LRTP project (actually several separate ones) for widening U.S. 129 between Eatonton and Gray; I guess since it's not part of GRIP it isn't on the priority list.
Here's the southern section (http://www.dot.ga.gov/BuildSmart/Projects/Pages/TransPi.aspx?ProjectID=0001040), programmed for construction in 2040. Can't find the others off-hand.
That said that section of U.S. 129 at the moment could probably make do with just passing lanes. The traffic really only picks up north of Eatonton to Madison with the added U.S. 441 traffic.
Further north, GA 44 between Eatonton and I-20 also probably needs improvements more than its multiplex with U.S. 129 south of there. The first bit is already in ROW acquisition, (http://www.dot.ga.gov/BuildSmart/Projects/Pages/TransPi.aspx?ProjectID=0006252) which will bypass Eatonton to the north.
Georgia 316 should have been upgraded decades ago. It's poor planning on GDOT's part that its not. While they are planning several interchange projects to make more of the highway limited access, it will take a lot more...
QuoteThe congestion and fatalities along Ga. 316 between Athens and Duluth have made improving the 40-mile highway a top priority for legislators from Clarke, Oconee, Barrow and Gwinnett counties. The legislative delegations from the three counties jointly backed a white paper this week listing reasons for making the road a limited-access highway its entire length so that intersecting roads would cross via an overpass.
"The critical infrastructure of (State Route) 316 has been ignored to the detriment of the economic interests of the region and the safety of its citizens and visitors," said the paper dated Thursday.
Rep. Regina Quick, R-Athens, and Rep. Spencer Frye, D-Athens, had their staffs work together on the paper for presentation Thursday to the House Transportation Committee. It was timed for the committee's vote on a 10-year plan required by last year's road-funding bill. The committee ultimately approved the plan unanimously, but not before Rep. Valerie Clark, R-Lawrenceville, brought up the Ga. 316 concerns.
Now the plan goes to the House Appropriations Committee which must approve the department's budget.
Quick said Friday she remains insistent that every intersection on the highway be upgraded.
"The citizens affected by 316 deserve results after a half-century of broken promises by GDOT. Transportation dollars should be focused on needs, not wants and selected projects should be based on identifiable criteria," she said.
According to the paper, the origin of the highway was a decision in 1959 by then-Gov. Ernest Vandiver to divert the route of the planned Interstate 85 toward his home of Franklin County, a stretch that now bears his name. At the time, he promised equivalent access for Athens and Gainesville.
While Gainesville is connected to I-85 by I-985, the road to the Classic City is still dotted with intersections and stoplights. The paper details the 31 fatalities on Ga. 316 since it opened in 1995 and the roughly 600 crashes that occur in the average year.
So far, 5 miles of Ga. 316 in Gwinnett County are limited access.
The latest list from the Transportation Department includes 17 projects at intersections across all three counties over the next 10 years described as "interchange," "ramp" and "grade separation" which are part of a limited-access design.
But Rep. Buzz Brockway, R-Lawrenceville, attended Thursday's committee meeting and came away frustrated.
"Living in Lawrenceville, I've personally seen accidents and witnessed many close calls on Hwy 316," he said. "I hope the House and Senate modify the DOT's 10-year plan to make 316 completely limited access - not just portions of it as the plan currently does."
http://m.onlineathens.com/#article=8225A1CC16171E41A4C461421E3F3047A405
Quote from: afguy on January 29, 2016, 11:42:06 PM
Georgia 316 should have been upgraded decades ago. It's poor planning on GDOT's part that its not. While they are planning several interchange projects to make more of the highway limited access, it will take a lot more...
QuoteThe congestion and fatalities along Ga. 316 between Athens and Duluth have made improving the 40-mile highway a top priority for legislators from Clarke, Oconee, Barrow and Gwinnett counties. The legislative delegations from the three counties jointly backed a white paper this week listing reasons for making the road a limited-access highway its entire length so that intersecting roads would cross via an overpass.
"The critical infrastructure of (State Route) 316 has been ignored to the detriment of the economic interests of the region and the safety of its citizens and visitors," said the paper dated Thursday.
Rep. Regina Quick, R-Athens, and Rep. Spencer Frye, D-Athens, had their staffs work together on the paper for presentation Thursday to the House Transportation Committee. It was timed for the committee's vote on a 10-year plan required by last year's road-funding bill. The committee ultimately approved the plan unanimously, but not before Rep. Valerie Clark, R-Lawrenceville, brought up the Ga. 316 concerns.
Now the plan goes to the House Appropriations Committee which must approve the department's budget.
Quick said Friday she remains insistent that every intersection on the highway be upgraded.
"The citizens affected by 316 deserve results after a half-century of broken promises by GDOT. Transportation dollars should be focused on needs, not wants and selected projects should be based on identifiable criteria," she said.
According to the paper, the origin of the highway was a decision in 1959 by then-Gov. Ernest Vandiver to divert the route of the planned Interstate 85 toward his home of Franklin County, a stretch that now bears his name. At the time, he promised equivalent access for Athens and Gainesville.
While Gainesville is connected to I-85 by I-985, the road to the Classic City is still dotted with intersections and stoplights. The paper details the 31 fatalities on Ga. 316 since it opened in 1995 and the roughly 600 crashes that occur in the average year.
So far, 5 miles of Ga. 316 in Gwinnett County are limited access.
The latest list from the Transportation Department includes 17 projects at intersections across all three counties over the next 10 years described as "interchange," "ramp" and "grade separation" which are part of a limited-access design.
But Rep. Buzz Brockway, R-Lawrenceville, attended Thursday's committee meeting and came away frustrated.
"Living in Lawrenceville, I've personally seen accidents and witnessed many close calls on Hwy 316," he said. "I hope the House and Senate modify the DOT's 10-year plan to make 316 completely limited access - not just portions of it as the plan currently does."
http://m.onlineathens.com/#article=8225A1CC16171E41A4C461421E3F3047A405
I drive GA 316 very frequently, and I support making it a limited-access highway. While they're at it, they should widen it to at least six lanes and give it full shoulders on both sides. (West of Harbins Road should be eight lanes.) The two segments that should be upgraded first are from GA 20/GA 124 to Harbins Road, and Patrick Mill Road to GA 11. After that, they should focus on the segment from U.S. 78 to the Athens Perimeter, including a radically reconfigured interchange with the Perimeter. The segments from Harbins Road to Patrick Mill Road, and GA 11 to U.S. 78, can be done last.
A Michigan Left intersection is coming to Georgia...
QuoteThe design, also called a ThrU-turn intersection, is supposed to relieve congestion and improve safety at the intersection of Ga. 141 (Medlock Bridge Road) and State Bridge Road, according to the city's website.
The novelty of the design is that it eliminates left turns. Drivers wanting to turn left continue straight through the intersection, make a U-turn a short distance past it and then double back to make a right turn onto the street they wish to travel on.
"It seems counter-intuitive, but people will actually spend less time driving through the intersection and making a U turn than they do sitting through two or three red lights," said Johns Creek Public Works Director Tom Black in a press release.
Computer-modeling conducted on behalf of the city shows wait times could be slashed by three-quarters with a ThrU-turn design.
ThrU-turns also can reduce crashes by 20 to 50 percent, particularly the head-on and angle crashes that tend to cause more severe injuries, according to the Federal Highway Administration.
http://commuting.blog.ajc.com/2016/02/01/johns-creek-may-build-georgias-first-michigan-turn-intersection/
The City of Augusta is planning to reconstruct the Wrightsboro/Interstate 520 interchange as a contraflow left interchange. Work could begin this fall.
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1521/24210703834_1cc4b21c03_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CTqbLb)Wrightsboro Rd/I-520 Interchange Improvement Project-Augusta (https://flic.kr/p/CTqbLb) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
just glad to see the state and its municipalities be willing to try something new instead of repeating the same mistakes over and over.
I found some more detailed information on the mobility projects GDOT is planning...
I-285/I-20 East Interchange
A routine source of peak period delays, this critical
juncture between two heavily congested interstates in
DeKalb County requires operational and geometry
improvements to address the inefficient flow of traffic, and
safety/operational performance. To address these needs,
various improvements would be developed and constructed
to enhance the overall operation, safety and efficient flow
characteristics of the interchange.
The interchange project would include operational
improvements to the directional ramps including
reconstruction of the I-20 eastbound to I-285 southbound
ramp and the I-285 southbound to I-20 westbound ramp.
In addition to the reconstruction of the interchange,
the project may include:
- One westbound auxiliary lane from Panola Road to
Wesley Chapel Road and the construction of
westbound Collector-Distributor (CD) lanes between
Wesley Chapel Road and the I-20/I-285 interchange.
- A westbound auxiliary lane between Lithonia Industrial
Boulevard and Panola Road.
- Reconstruction of the Miller Road Overpass Bridge to
accommodate the westbound auxiliary lane.
- I-20 eastbound improvements to include construction
of one eastbound auxiliary lane from Panola Road to
Lithonia Industrial Boulevard.
- Reconstruction of the Fairington Road/DeKalb Medical
Parkway Overpass Bridge to accommodate the
eastbound auxiliary lane.
The proposed interchange may include Express Lane
connections in the future.
Estimated Costs*: $534 Million (does not include costs
associated with Express Lane connections)
I-285/I-20 West Interchange
The interchange project would consist of lane widening and operational improvements
on I-20 eastbound and westbound to improve the existing lane balance on sections
between Thornton Road and the I-285 Interchange. The project will include:
- Additional lane along I-20 eastbound from Factory Shoals Road Bridge to Six
Flags Parkway.
- Widening of I-20 eastbound to five lanes from Six Flags Parkway to I-285 southbound.
- Additional lane from the I-20 eastbound to I-285 southbound ramp to I-20
eastbound to I-285 northbound ramp exit to provide a separate exit lane for
the I-285 northbound traffic flow, thus requiring the widening of the existing
I-20 bridge.
- A Collector-Distributor system (CD) is proposed between the I-285 Interchange and
Fulton Industrial Boulevard westbound on I-20.
- Reconfiguration of the four existing left-hand exits to right-hand exits with new
alignments and bridges as appropriate. It is anticipated the existing left-hand exits
would be utilized for managed lane connections between I-285 and I-20.
The proposed interchange may include Express Lane connections in the future.
Estimated Costs*: $910 Million (does not include costs associated with Express
Lane connections)
I-285 West Wall Express Lanes, I-20 to I-75
The project would consist of :
- Creating one Express Lane in each direction along I-285 between I-20 and I-75.
- Existing lanes would be maintained and a new 12' outside lane would be constructed.
- The Express Lane would be separated from the general purpose lanes through the
use of delineators and pavement striping.
- Access to the Express Lane would be provided with the use of direct access ramps
connecting to the surrounding arterial system and slip ramp access to adjacent
general purpose lanes.
Estimated Costs*: $743 Million
I-285 East Wall Express Lanes, I-85 to I-20
The project would consist of:
- Creating one Express Lane in each direction along I-285 between I-20 and I-85.
- Existing lanes would be maintained and a new 12' outside lane would be constructed.
- Express Lane would be separated from the general purpose lanes through the use
of delineators and pavement striping.
- Access to the managed lane would be provided with the use of direct access ramps
connecting to the surrounding arterial system and slip ramp access to adjacent
general purpose lanes.
Estimated Costs*: $659 Million
Revive 285, Express Lanes from I-75 to I-85
The project would consist of the construction of two Express Lanes in each direction, on the
outside of the existing general purpose travel lanes, with operational improvements and
Collector-Distributor (CD) systems at various locations along I-285. Specific operational and
CD system improvements currently being considered for the project include:
- One I-285 westbound auxiliary lane between Roswell Road and Riverside Drive.
- I-75 North/I-285 interchange improvements.
- I-85 North/I-285 interchange improvements.
- I-285 CD lanes from Ashford-Dunwoody Road to SR 141/Peachtree Industrial Boulevard.
- I-285 CD lanes from US 23/Buford Highway to I-85.
- The Express Lanes will directly connect to Express Lanes on I-75, I-85 and SR 400.
Estimated Costs*: $5.9 Billion
I-16/95 Interchange & Widening I-16: I-95 to I-516
(2 Separate Projects)
These projects would reconstruct the existing I-16 at I-95 interchange in
Chatham County. Proposed improvements include:
- Construction of new fly overs and extension of ramps.
- One additional general-purpose lane along I-16 between I-95 and I-516.
- The new lanes would be constructed by widening to the existing inside,
grassed median.
Estimated Costs*: $244 Million
I-75 Truck Lanes: McDonough to Macon
This interstate highway serves as an important freight and motorist corridor that supports
critical coastal port truck traffic and travelers from southern Georgia and Florida. While
truck and passenger car traffic are generally compatible, as the percentage of truck traffic
continues to grow, the increase in truck volume can and will accentuate operational
differences, leading to less efficient traffic streams and increased delays. For example,
compared to cars, trucks cannot accelerate as quickly on long grades. The corridor has
an important evolving need to ensure mobility for all its users and especially to maintain
Georgia's competitiveness in the movement of goods. By using the Express Lane concept,
and providing a dedicated system of lanes separated from existing general purpose lanes,
mobility is enhanced for both traffic streams. Project would include:
- Addition of two designated, separated truck lanes in the northbound direction along
I-75 from McDonough to I-475 in Macon.
- The truck lanes would be barrier-separated from the general purpose lanes
along I-75.
- The truck lanes will not be tolled.
- The final northern limits will be determined once additional environmental and
traffic studies are conducted.
Estimated Costs*: $2.06 Billion
SR 400 Express Lanes: I-285 to McFarland Road
SR 400 is one of the most congested facilities in metro Atlanta. The addition of Express
Lanes to this corridor will provide additional reliable capacity from I-285 to McFarland
Road. The proposed Express Lanes will be constructed to the inside of the general
purpose lanes and will directly connect to the Revive 285 project. This mobility
enhancing project would consist of:
- Two Express Lanes in each direction along SR 400 between I-285N and McGinnis
Ferry Road.
- One Express Lane in each direction from McGinnis Ferry Road to McFarland Road.
Intermediate access points will be determined as additional coordination,
environmental documentation and design activities are completed on the corridor.
Estimated Costs*: $2.4 Billion
I-85 North Widening: Hamilton Mill to SR 211
This project would consist of:
- Widening I-85 from Hamilton Mill Road to SR 211 and addition of one general
purpose lane in each direction.
- The length of widening is approximately 6.2 miles within Gwinnett and
Barrow counties.
- The project also proposes a striping modification of the 14' Express Lanes buffer
to accommodate the third general purpose lane between I-985 to Hamilton
Mill Road.
Estimated Costs*: $261 Million
I-85 North Widening: SR 211 to US 129
This project would consist of:
- Widening I-85 from SR 211 to US 129
- One additional general purpose lane in each direction. The length of widening is
approximately 10.5 miles within Barrow and Jackson counties.
Estimated Costs*: $344 Million
Wonderful information. Thank you.
yep, thanks afguy, that west 285/20 interchange is getting exactly what it needs to be improved significantly.
Thanks, afguy, for the info. I feel like saying something substantive, but I haven't made it past the :banghead: stage as yet.
Thanks! Here's a link to the pdf with the information posted above...
http://www.dot.ga.gov/InvestSmart/TransportationFundingAct/Documents/Forecast/MajorMobilityInvestments-V3.pdf
Quote from: lordsutch on August 06, 2014, 10:56:35 AM
Construction is likely slow because of the failed T-SPLOSTs in addition to the tight highway money; big projects that would have started if the T-SPLOSTs had passed (like the I-16/I-75 interchange in Macon) got pushed back in favor of relative small-ball work like roundabouts and signal projects, after already being pushed back to make the T-SPLOSTs more attractive to voters. In the areas where T-SPLOSTs passed, though, some decent-sized projects are already well underway (the US 23 north Eastman bypass, for example).
Was that ever finished? Because I'm working on a US 23 in Georgia article for Wikipedia, and I only see the construction of that bypass from above on Google Maps. On street view there's no sign of the construction whatsoever.
The Eastman Bypass opened in November.
http://bleckleydodgepulaski.13wmaz.com/news/news/323142-georgia-dot-announces-opening-northwest-eastman-bypass
GDOT to build another death circle roundabout in North Bibb County on US 23 (http://www.maconbibb.us/thirdroundabout/). The press release is wrong; it omits several other roundabouts in the county that have already been built and at least two more that appear to be further along than the traffic engineering study phase.
Quote from: lordsutch on February 23, 2016, 10:28:38 PM
GDOT to build another death circle roundabout in North Bibb County on US 23 (http://www.maconbibb.us/thirdroundabout/). The press release is wrong; it omits several other roundabouts in the county that have already been built and at least two more that appear to be further along than the traffic engineering study phase.
That's way too close to I-75. I also saw a Google Street View scan with signs for a proposed traffic circle with GA 18.
The ARC just approved an $85 Billion long range transportation plan for Metro Atlanta. The highlights include adding toll lanes to I-20 on the east and west sides, widening existing roads and adding 13 new interchanges.
QuoteProjects listed in the plan include the expansion of the network of managed toll lanes on area highways (I-75, I-575, Ga. 400, I-285 topside, I-20, I-85). Expansion of that network, which is estimated at $7 billion for projects not yet under construction, promises better commutes for people who ride transit, carpool or pay a toll, ARC says.
The plan incorporates all ARC planning areas: transportation, community development, natural resources, workforce development and aging & health services.
ARC developed the plan based on more than 22,000 interactions with people via online, phone and face-to-face meetings, the organization says.
"This plan outlines the steps needed for metro Atlanta to remain a vibrant, dynamic region, with a high quality of life and a thriving economy," said ARC Board Chair Kerry Armstrong. "It will help improve mobility, create more walkable communities, ensure we have a clean, abundant water supply and meet the needs of our region's fast-growing population of older adults."
ARC forecasts that over the next 25 years, the Atlanta region's population will grow by 2.5 million — the equivalent of adding all of today's metro Charlotte. The Atlanta Region's Plan takes this growth into account, programming funding for new transportation options and encouraging the development of walkable, mixed-use centers and corridors that provide better access to jobs and services, the agency says.
The ARC says that two-thirds of $85.1 billion investment in the region's transportation will be needed to maintain existing infrastructure, such as paving roads and repairing bridges, while $28 billion will be spent to expand the region's transportation network.
Expenditures through 2040 include (in addition to the expansion of the managed toll lanes network):
Widening and improving major arterial roads. Cost: $5.8 billion
Highway interchange improvements— 13 new interchanges and 22 major upgrades. Cost: $3.1 billion
Potential transit expansion projects(Clayton County, Ga. 400, I-20 East, Clifton Corridor, Connect Cobb, Atlanta BeltLine/Streetcar). Cost: $11.9 billion
http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/morning_call/2016/02/more-toll-roads-wider-major-roads-in-long-range.html
Quote from: D-Dey65 on February 25, 2016, 01:01:17 AM
That's way too close to I-75. I also saw a Google Street View scan with signs for a proposed traffic circle with GA 18.
I'm not sure what makes it "way too close" to I-75. The traffic counts plummet once you get past the shopping center south of New Forsyth Road. And it beats an all-way stop, which is probably what GDOT would install as the alternative in this case.
I believe the US 23/GA 18 roundabout (replacing an all-way stop) is currently under construction (it was let several months ago) although I haven't been up there to see in a while.
Quote from: lordsutch on February 25, 2016, 04:25:26 PM
I'm not sure what makes it "way too close" to I-75.
Well, you've got one of the prime interstate highways in the country that has an interchange with a major strip in the Macon area. Just imagine if the Long Island Expressway and Jericho Turnpike ran right next to each other before the Jericho ran under it, or the New York State Thruway was directly next to NY 59.
Or here's a better idea; You're driving with a fifth-wheeler north on I-75, and you want to get off at US 23 because you want to see maybe some old plantation, or some historic site, or whatever. Not even 1.2 miles and you have to swerve around some traffic circle, and hope you don't hit anyone else along the way?
Quote from: lordsutch on February 25, 2016, 04:25:26 PM
The traffic counts plummet once you get past the shopping center south of New Forsyth Road.
I know the road narrows down to two lanes there, but that's kind of a surprise, especially with all the overcrowded two-lane sections I've seen on "the Goog."
Quote from: lordsutch on February 25, 2016, 04:25:26 PM
And it beats an all-way stop, which is probably what GDOT would install as the alternative in this case.
That would've been rotten. I would've thought they'd add a traffic signal instead.
There is now a small traffic circle at GA 212 and GA 36.
Personally, I have to agree with him. The older beige metal sound walls are not attractive at all. It also doesn't help that most of the expressway lights are out in the city. GDOT needs be like TxDOT or FDOT are include aesthetics in the design of new or widened highways.
Quotefter thanking a number of professionals with whom he has worked during his career, Ventulett made a personal plea — showing why he was deserving of the Visionary Award.
"I just want to make a plea to this powerful group," Ventulett said. "Our expressway system is ugly, and it's getting uglier. It's something we need to watch. Let's do something to give a better image of the city."
In particular, Ventulett mentioned the unattractive sound barriers that exist along the borders of several of our city's interstates.
Ventulett then talked about a recent trip to Europe where he saw sound barriers in Switzerland and France where there were openings in retaining walls where people had planted flowers and ivy. That softened the barriers and made for a much more pleasant travel experience.
In some cases, glass elements were added to blend the walls with the horizon and the natural elements of the environment.
"Somebody is thinking (in France and Switzerland)," Ventulett said. "Nobody (here) is thinking about what we are putting up. The interchange of 400 and I-285 is really ugly."
And then Ventulett ended up sharing a comment that could be applied to just about any part of our built environment.
"If you are going to build it, make it beautiful," Ventulett said. "But for God's sake, if it's ugly — don't build it."
Spoken like a visionary architect.
Architect Tom Ventulett honored for his vision - SaportaReport (http://saportareport.com/architect-tom-ventulett-honored-for-his-vision/)
It seems like a lot of people believe the United States should be a lot more like Europe.
A public meeting will be held Tuesday to discuss the proposed interchange 14 project on I-985...
http://www.gainesvilletimes.com/section/6/article/115532/
More lights could be coming to I-75 in Cobb County.The City of Marietta is seeking other cities in Cobb to join for its push for more lights along I-75. IMO, lights are needed along I-75 from the Chattahoochee to at least Exit 271.
QuoteMarietta City Council members voted Wednesday to reach out to the other cities to see if there is interest in going in together in an effort to get lighting installed, reports Marietta Daily Journal.Marietta worked in 1989 with the Georgia Department of Transportation to get lighting installed on I-75 within city limits (about a nine-mile loop), a Marietta spokesperson told the MDJ.
GDOT installed the lighting and paid for maintenance, and the city paid to keep them lighted, the spokesperson said.
The lights were turn off in 2014 after copper lighting was stolen and the lighting were deemed a fire hazard, the paper adds.
http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/morning_call/2016/03/more-lights-could-be-coming-to-stretch-of-i-75-in.html
Could Georgia DOT fix the ones that are "out" first?
HB 170 is really starting to pay dividends for Georgia. In Hall County over $120 million in road work could start this year.
Quote
Work is nearly done on the Friendship Road widening in South Hall County, but that doesn't mean the orange construction barrels are leaving Hall.
Area motorists could start to see work begin later this year on three major projects: Athens Highway widening in East Hall; replacement of the Dawsonville Highway bridge over the Chestatee River arm of Lake Lanier in West Hall; and Atlanta Highway widening between Buford and Lanier Islands Parkway in South Hall.
The earliest of those could be the Dawsonville Highway bridge, or Boling Bridge, a $23 million project. Construction bids could be opened March 18, officials said during a transportation forum Thursday at the University of North Georgia's Gainesville campus.
"These bridges are 60 years old," Georgia Department of Transportation Commissioner Russell McMurry said, referring to Lake Lanier bridges in general. "Good gosh, they're only designed to last about 50. They've done pretty good, but it's time to move on."
Also upcoming on the DOT's agenda for Hall is the $74 million planned widening of Athens Highway/U.S. 129 between Gillsville Highway/Ga. 323 and the Pendergrass Bypass.
Right of way on the long-awaited project is in hand, officials said, so the next step could be awarding it to a contractor this spring.
McMurry, a Hall County resident, also spoke to that project's need.
"That is a critical connection for freight mobility from Interstate 85 to Interstate 985," he said.
Another key improvement, particularly for South Hall travelers, is the $22 million widening of Atlanta Highway/Ga. 13 between Sawnee Drive in Buford to Lanier Islands Parkway/Ga. 347.
Work could start this fall on four-lane project through Rest Haven, a small incorporated area on the Hall-Gwinnett County line, DOT District Engineer Brent Cook said.
The road would intersect with another large DOT project that has been split into several phases – the eventual widening of Ga. 347 between Lanier Islands resort and Old Winder Highway/Ga. 211.
Work has been completed on Ga. 347 between McEver Road and I-985. Widening the road to four and six lanes between I-985 and Ga. 211 is set for completion in June.
http://www.gainesvilletimes.com/section/6/article/115617/
New welcome signs.
Earlier today, I was doing more research on Georgia U.S. Routes. This time it was US 17, and when I was checking out a Google map of the part of GA 25 that's not overlapped by US 17, I noticed an under construction section of the Jimmy DeLoach Parkway, that looks like it ultimately wants to connect to I-516.
Quote from: afguy on February 07, 2016, 06:48:50 AM
I found some more detailed information on the mobility projects GDOT is planning...
I-285/I-20 East Interchange
A routine source of peak period delays, this critical
juncture between two heavily congested interstates in
DeKalb County requires operational and geometry
improvements to address the inefficient flow of traffic, and
safety/operational performance. To address these needs,
various improvements would be developed and constructed
to enhance the overall operation, safety and efficient flow
characteristics of the interchange.
The interchange project would include operational
improvements to the directional ramps including
reconstruction of the I-20 eastbound to I-285 southbound
ramp and the I-285 southbound to I-20 westbound ramp.
In addition to the reconstruction of the interchange,
the project may include:
- One westbound auxiliary lane from Panola Road to
Wesley Chapel Road and the construction of
westbound Collector-Distributor (CD) lanes between
Wesley Chapel Road and the I-20/I-285 interchange.
- A westbound auxiliary lane between Lithonia Industrial
Boulevard and Panola Road.
- Reconstruction of the Miller Road Overpass Bridge to
accommodate the westbound auxiliary lane.
- I-20 eastbound improvements to include construction
of one eastbound auxiliary lane from Panola Road to
Lithonia Industrial Boulevard.
- Reconstruction of the Fairington Road/DeKalb Medical
Parkway Overpass Bridge to accommodate the
eastbound auxiliary lane.
The proposed interchange may include Express Lane
connections in the future.
Estimated Costs*: $534 Million (does not include costs
associated with Express Lane connections)
I-285/I-20 West Interchange
The interchange project would consist of lane widening and operational improvements
on I-20 eastbound and westbound to improve the existing lane balance on sections
between Thornton Road and the I-285 Interchange. The project will include:
- Additional lane along I-20 eastbound from Factory Shoals Road Bridge to Six
Flags Parkway.
- Widening of I-20 eastbound to five lanes from Six Flags Parkway to I-285 southbound.
- Additional lane from the I-20 eastbound to I-285 southbound ramp to I-20
eastbound to I-285 northbound ramp exit to provide a separate exit lane for
the I-285 northbound traffic flow, thus requiring the widening of the existing
I-20 bridge.
- A Collector-Distributor system (CD) is proposed between the I-285 Interchange and
Fulton Industrial Boulevard westbound on I-20.
- Reconfiguration of the four existing left-hand exits to right-hand exits with new
alignments and bridges as appropriate. It is anticipated the existing left-hand exits
would be utilized for managed lane connections between I-285 and I-20.
The proposed interchange may include Express Lane connections in the future.
Estimated Costs*: $910 Million (does not include costs associated with Express
Lane connections)
I-285 West Wall Express Lanes, I-20 to I-75
The project would consist of :
- Creating one Express Lane in each direction along I-285 between I-20 and I-75.
- Existing lanes would be maintained and a new 12' outside lane would be constructed.
- The Express Lane would be separated from the general purpose lanes through the
use of delineators and pavement striping.
- Access to the Express Lane would be provided with the use of direct access ramps
connecting to the surrounding arterial system and slip ramp access to adjacent
general purpose lanes.
Estimated Costs*: $743 Million
I-285 East Wall Express Lanes, I-85 to I-20
The project would consist of:
- Creating one Express Lane in each direction along I-285 between I-20 and I-85.
- Existing lanes would be maintained and a new 12' outside lane would be constructed.
- Express Lane would be separated from the general purpose lanes through the use
of delineators and pavement striping.
- Access to the managed lane would be provided with the use of direct access ramps
connecting to the surrounding arterial system and slip ramp access to adjacent
general purpose lanes.
Estimated Costs*: $659 Million
Revive 285, Express Lanes from I-75 to I-85
The project would consist of the construction of two Express Lanes in each direction, on the
outside of the existing general purpose travel lanes, with operational improvements and
Collector-Distributor (CD) systems at various locations along I-285. Specific operational and
CD system improvements currently being considered for the project include:
- One I-285 westbound auxiliary lane between Roswell Road and Riverside Drive.
- I-75 North/I-285 interchange improvements.
- I-85 North/I-285 interchange improvements.
- I-285 CD lanes from Ashford-Dunwoody Road to SR 141/Peachtree Industrial Boulevard.
- I-285 CD lanes from US 23/Buford Highway to I-85.
- The Express Lanes will directly connect to Express Lanes on I-75, I-85 and SR 400.
Estimated Costs*: $5.9 Billion
I-16/95 Interchange & Widening I-16: I-95 to I-516
(2 Separate Projects)
These projects would reconstruct the existing I-16 at I-95 interchange in
Chatham County. Proposed improvements include:
- Construction of new fly overs and extension of ramps.
- One additional general-purpose lane along I-16 between I-95 and I-516.
- The new lanes would be constructed by widening to the existing inside,
grassed median.
Estimated Costs*: $244 Million
I-75 Truck Lanes: McDonough to Macon
This interstate highway serves as an important freight and motorist corridor that supports
critical coastal port truck traffic and travelers from southern Georgia and Florida. While
truck and passenger car traffic are generally compatible, as the percentage of truck traffic
continues to grow, the increase in truck volume can and will accentuate operational
differences, leading to less efficient traffic streams and increased delays. For example,
compared to cars, trucks cannot accelerate as quickly on long grades. The corridor has
an important evolving need to ensure mobility for all its users and especially to maintain
Georgia's competitiveness in the movement of goods. By using the Express Lane concept,
and providing a dedicated system of lanes separated from existing general purpose lanes,
mobility is enhanced for both traffic streams. Project would include:
- Addition of two designated, separated truck lanes in the northbound direction along
I-75 from McDonough to I-475 in Macon.
- The truck lanes would be barrier-separated from the general purpose lanes
along I-75.
- The truck lanes will not be tolled.
- The final northern limits will be determined once additional environmental and
traffic studies are conducted.
Estimated Costs*: $2.06 Billion
SR 400 Express Lanes: I-285 to McFarland Road
SR 400 is one of the most congested facilities in metro Atlanta. The addition of Express
Lanes to this corridor will provide additional reliable capacity from I-285 to McFarland
Road. The proposed Express Lanes will be constructed to the inside of the general
purpose lanes and will directly connect to the Revive 285 project. This mobility
enhancing project would consist of:
- Two Express Lanes in each direction along SR 400 between I-285N and McGinnis
Ferry Road.
- One Express Lane in each direction from McGinnis Ferry Road to McFarland Road.
Intermediate access points will be determined as additional coordination,
environmental documentation and design activities are completed on the corridor.
Estimated Costs*: $2.4 Billion
I-85 North Widening: Hamilton Mill to SR 211
This project would consist of:
- Widening I-85 from Hamilton Mill Road to SR 211 and addition of one general
purpose lane in each direction.
- The length of widening is approximately 6.2 miles within Gwinnett and
Barrow counties.
- The project also proposes a striping modification of the 14' Express Lanes buffer
to accommodate the third general purpose lane between I-985 to Hamilton
Mill Road.
Estimated Costs*: $261 Million
I-85 North Widening: SR 211 to US 129
This project would consist of:
- Widening I-85 from SR 211 to US 129
- One additional general purpose lane in each direction. The length of widening is
approximately 10.5 miles within Barrow and Jackson counties.
Estimated Costs*: $344 Million
Lots of improvements that I'm happy to see.
Excellent article on the truck-only lanes planned for I-75 between Atlanta and Macon..
http://www.myajc.com/news/news/transportation/truck-lanes-a-2-billion-gamble/nqtm2/?ref=cbTopWidget
Quote from: afguy on March 30, 2016, 10:26:48 AM
Excellent article on the truck-only lanes planned for I-75 between Atlanta and Macon..
http://www.myajc.com/news/news/transportation/truck-lanes-a-2-billion-gamble/nqtm2/?ref=cbTopWidget
It does bring up a good point (several, actually). But my question is, would they let the cars use the lanes if there is an accident that's blocking traffic on the regular car lanes?
I was up in Cobb County earlier today, where work on the I-75 express lanes continues apace. There's also been some ongoing sign replacement - of note, exit 260 southbound for Windy Hill Road is now also signed for SunTrust Park, which will open for the start of the Braves' season next year. Along with that is a new VMS in a style I don't believe I've seen in Georgia before, using slightly different, thicker lettering. I like it; it seems a little bit easier to read.
I-20 is FINALLY being repaved between Thornton Rd and Hill St in Atlanta....
http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/morning_call/2016/04/traffic-alert-major-i-20-resurfacing-project-to.html
QuoteCobb County officials will seek two federal grants to cover the majority of costs for a proposed ramp from Akers Mill Road to managed toll lanes being constructed along Interstate 75.
The council will apply on behalf of the Cumberland Community Improvement District, which says the ramp is needed to relieve traffic congestion in the Cumberland area, reports Marietta Daily Journal.
The Cumberland area is home to the Atlanta Braves' new SunTrust Park home. The team plans to move in time for Opening Day 2017.
The CID must convince state transportation officials it can fund the ramp, or it will not be included in the project to add 30 miles of reversible toll lanes along Interstates 75 and 575, the MDJ adds.
http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/morning_call/2016/04/cobb-seeks-federal-money-for-interstate-ramp-to.html
GA 316 is slowly but surely becoming an interstate grade facility....
QuoteSignalized intersections on Route 316 between Lawrenceville and Athens are on the way out, and grade-separated interchanges are on the way in, according to Georgia DOT commissioner Russell McMurry. Commissioner McMurry made the announcement at a Wednesday meeting of the Gwinnett Chamber of Commerce. Ten grade separated interchanges along the route will be under construction starting in 2017 and continuing through 2026. An additional three interchanges are on the drawing board, but money for construction has not been allocated.
An interchange at State Route 81 south of Winder should start construction in 2017. In 2018, work begins on an interchange at Highway 53. 2020 begins the start of interchange construction at Highway 11 and at Patrick Mill Road. In 2022, work begins at the intersection of Winder Highway and 316 in Lawrenceville. In Athens, work begins on an interchange at the Oconee Connector in 2023. The interchange at Epps Bridge Road gets reworked in 2024. Work on an interchange at Harbins Road in Gwinnett also begins in 2024, and in 2026 construction starts at SR 211 / Bethlehem Road. Three additional interchanges, at Drowning Creek Road in Gwinnett, Barber Creek Road in Barrow County, and Jimmy Daniel Road in Oconee County are slated to begin construction after 2026.
McMurry said that all of this construction was made possible by the passage of the Transportation Funding Act in 2015. Even with all this work, the heavily used route will still have non signalized entrances and exits at smaller roads along the route, so it won't be at true Interstate standards.
Commissioner McMurry told attendees at the chamber meeting that he was happy Governor Deal signed the Fiscal 2017 budget, which includes $825 million derived from the Transportation Funding Act. That funding was made possible by converting the state sales tax on gasoline to an excise tax, adding an additional registration fee for electric vehicles, and imposing a $5 per night fee on most hotel room rentals.
http://www.georgiapol.com/2016/05/05/congestion-relief-ahead-along-state-route-316-lawrenceville-athens/
Quote from: afguy on May 05, 2016, 01:03:28 PM
GA 316 is slowly but surely becoming an interstate grade facility....
QuoteSignalized intersections on Route 316 between Lawrenceville and Athens are on the way out, and grade-separated interchanges are on the way in, according to Georgia DOT commissioner Russell McMurry. Commissioner McMurry made the announcement at a...
http://www.georgiapol.com/2016/05/05/congestion-relief-ahead-along-state-route-316-lawrenceville-athens/
As someone who's been commuting between Lawrenceville and Athens via 316 for the last several months, I think that it's a mistake to put in interchanges at seemingly random locations. To me, it'd be much better to start at GA 20 and work east, eliminating at-grade access points as well as building interchanges, and with a clear demarcation between freeway to the west and non-freeway to the east. I think that piecemeal improvements as GDOT intends to do will create confusion that'll lead to accidents, and will put further stress on already-dangerous at-grade access points.
Signage debacle on 285 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=87.msg2142971#msg2142971), posted in Erroneous Road Signs
I seriously wish GDOT would get its act together when it comes to replacing signs. It seems like they are taking a half-ass approach to it. Also I wish GDOT would push for new interstates outside of Metro Atlanta. Especially a new north-south interestate between Augusta and Savannah. Also new east-west interstates between Columbus and Augusta and Columbus to Brunswick.
The I-85 HOT lane extension begins this summer...
QuoteThe GDOT leader told the Gwinnett Chamber Wednesday that work on new high-occupancy toll lanes that extend the existing toll lanes north to Hamilton Mill Road is expected to begin in August, reports Gwinnett Daily Post.
Ten miles of new toll lanes will be built over the next two years between Old Peachtree Road and Hamilton Mill Road as part of the project, the paper adds.
http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/morning_call/2016/05/gdot-head-i-85-toll-lane-expansion-coming-this.html
Quote from: afguy on May 06, 2016, 11:44:53 AM
I seriously wish GDOT would get its act together when it comes to replacing signs. It seems like they are taking a half-ass approach to it.
There are some pretty big interstate signage replacement projects coming up this summer replacing a lot of the old Georgia D signs with oversized Series E(M) signs, which will also include half-mile markers in rural areas. The one for I-16 and part of I-75 around Macon (except through the section about to be rebuilt) was let in April and I-16 near Savannah is being let this month; a bunch more are scheduled in June and July I think.
QuoteAlso I wish GDOT would push for new interstates outside of Metro Atlanta. Especially a new north-south interestate between Augusta and Savannah. Also new east-west interstates between Columbus and Augusta and Columbus to Brunswick.
I suppose they could dust off the I-3 (Savannah-Augusta) and I-14 (Augusta-Macon-Columbus-Montgomery) proposals, but at this point it's all about money, which GDOT doesn't even have for the projects in urban and suburban areas much less for economic development efforts like new rural Interstates.
That and the fact the existing GRIP corridors on those routes (and on the Golden Isles Parkway corridor from I-75 to Brunswick, which sorta-connects to the Fall Line Freeway corridor for your Columbus-Brunswick corridor) barely draw any traffic already; maybe when the Fall Line Freeway finally is vaguely-continuous in October people will start to use it more, but I'm not holding my breath. Part of that is GDOT's fault for building it on the cheap with a lot of 5-lane sections through small towns rather than building access-controlled bypasses and dragging its feet on raising speed limits to 65 on rural sections, mind you. And then there's the whole Macon routing debacle in the middle.
Quote from: lordsutch on May 06, 2016, 01:01:04 PM
Quote from: afguy on May 06, 2016, 11:44:53 AM
I seriously wish GDOT would get its act together when it comes to replacing signs. It seems like they are taking a half-ass approach to it.
There are some pretty big interstate signage replacement projects coming up this summer replacing a lot of the old Georgia D signs with oversized Series E(M) signs, which will also include half-mile markers in rural areas. The one for I-16 and part of I-75 around Macon (except through the section about to be rebuilt) was let in April and I-16 near Savannah is being let this month; a bunch more are scheduled in June and July I think.
QuoteAlso I wish GDOT would push for new interstates outside of Metro Atlanta. Especially a new north-south interestate between Augusta and Savannah. Also new east-west interstates between Columbus and Augusta and Columbus to Brunswick.
I suppose they could dust off the I-3 (Savannah-Augusta) and I-14 (Augusta-Macon-Columbus-Montgomery) proposals, but at this point it's all about money, which GDOT doesn't even have for the projects in urban and suburban areas much less for economic development efforts like new rural Interstates.
That and the fact the existing GRIP corridors on those routes (and on the Golden Isles Parkway corridor from I-75 to Brunswick, which sorta-connects to the Fall Line Freeway corridor for your Columbus-Brunswick corridor) barely draw any traffic already; maybe when the Fall Line Freeway finally is vaguely-continuous in October people will start to use it more, but I'm not holding my breath. Part of that is GDOT's fault for building it on the cheap with a lot of 5-lane sections through small towns rather than building access-controlled bypasses and dragging its feet on raising speed limits to 65 on rural sections, mind you. And then there's the whole Macon routing debacle in the middle.
Agreed on us82 barely any traffic. All 4 lanes.. Perhaps some small town bypasses but no need for interstate
Quote from: Tom958 on May 05, 2016, 07:25:10 PM
Quote from: afguy on May 05, 2016, 01:03:28 PM
GA 316 is slowly but surely becoming an interstate grade facility....
QuoteSignalized intersections on Route 316 between Lawrenceville and Athens are on the way out, and grade-separated interchanges are on the way in, according to Georgia DOT commissioner Russell McMurry. Commissioner McMurry made the announcement at a...
http://www.georgiapol.com/2016/05/05/congestion-relief-ahead-along-state-route-316-lawrenceville-athens/
As someone who's been commuting between Lawrenceville and Athens via 316 for the last several months, I think that it's a mistake to put in interchanges at seemingly random locations. To me, it'd be much better to start at GA 20 and work east, eliminating at-grade access points as well as building interchanges, and with a clear demarcation between freeway to the west and non-freeway to the east. I think that piecemeal improvements as GDOT intends to do will create confusion that'll lead to accidents, and will put further stress on already-dangerous at-grade access points.
I only half-agree. Backups at GA 11 and GA 81 are too big to put off. If I was in charge of upgrading GA 316, here's the order in which I'd do it:
1. Interchanges at U.S. 29 and GA 81, with overpasses at Hi-Hope Road, Progress Center Avenue and Carl-Bethlehem Road.
2. Interchanges at Cedars Road and GA 11, with overpasses at Harry McCarty Road and Harrison Mill Road, and dead ends for Fence Road and Hurricane Trail.
3. Interchanges at Harbins Road, Kilcrease Road and Patrick Mill Road, with an overpass at Drowning Creek Road.
4. An elaborate interchange at the Athens Perimeter and the Oconee Connector, with overpasses at Julian Drive, Jimmy Daniel Road and Virgil Langford Road.
5. Interchanges at GA 53 and GA 211, with overpasses at Smith Cemetery Road, Jackson Trail Road and Wall Road.
6. An interchange at McNutt Creek Road, with overpasses at Barber Creek Road, Craft Road, Crowe Road, Dials Mill Road and Mars Hill Road.
After that, I'd widen GA 316 to six lanes for its entire length, plus two Peach Pass lanes from Harbins Road to I-85. I'd also widen the Athens Perimeter to six lanes from GA 316 to U.S. 78 East (Oconee Street/Lexington Road), and I'd widen Mars Hill Road to four lanes from McNutt Creek Road to the Oconee Connector.
Quote from: Tom958 on June 17, 2015, 09:56:31 AM
I'm more interested in what, if anything, will happen to 129 north of Gainesville. What a mess!
I assume that whatever
does happen, it'll be tied to the completion of the Cleveland Bypass. Speaking of which, I have to ask something about that; Since that bypass is supposed to run east of US 129 towards GA 75 when it's done, will that segment be a bannered route of GA 75 or a realignment of that route.
And while we're on the subject of US 129 related bypasses, what can you people tell me about the one in Gray? Will
that be a realignment of US 129, and if so, what will it be between the north end and GA 22 east of town?
Quote from: Gnutella on May 15, 2016, 02:25:26 PM
Quote from: Tom958 on May 05, 2016, 07:25:10 PM
Quote from: afguy on May 05, 2016, 01:03:28 PM
GA 316 is slowly but surely becoming an interstate grade facility....
http://www.georgiapol.com/2016/05/05/congestion-relief-ahead-along-state-route-316-lawrenceville-athens/
If I was in charge of upgrading GA 316, here's the order in which I'd do it:
Such pretty dreams. Unfortunately:
Quote from: That articleEven with all this work, the heavily used route will still have non signalized entrances and exits at smaller roads along the route, so it won't be at true Interstate standards.
Quote from: D-Dey65 on May 22, 2016, 10:03:11 AM
And while we're on the subject of US 129 related bypasses, what can you people tell me about the one in Gray? Will that be a realignment of US 129, and if so, what will it be between the north end and GA 22 east of town?
The design plans show the route being marked, literally, as "Gray Bypass" without any route number at all, except the short duplex with GA 18 at the west end.
Logically GA 22 Bypass would be a reasonable designation for the full route.
"Public detour open house" for the interchanges at GA 316 with GA 81 and GA 11, 5-7pm Tuesday May 31 at Apalachee High School (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Apalachee+High+School/@33.948366,-83.7879426,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x88f5c320448124c1:0x8e9e3fe8371b571d!8m2!3d33.9483616!4d-83.7857539). Perhaps I'll see you there.
Jimmy Deloach Parkway connector ready for trucks (http://www.effinghamherald.net/section/1/article/34638/)
QuoteThe state held a ribbon cutting for the Jimmy Deloach Parkway Connector on Friday morning, opening the 3.1-mile stretch of road from Highway 307 to Jimmy Deloach Parkway.
Opening the connector gives trucks a direct access from Interstate 95 to the port of Savannah and allows them to bypass more than three miles of Highway 21.
"This is the direct east-west link from the port to the interstate," said Gov. Nathan Deal. "It will dramatically reduce the congestion and improve the safety on these roads."
State officials anticipate the connector will provide more than 8,000 trucks each day a direct path to the port from I-95 and I-16. Trucks will avoid four traffic signals because of the connector.
QuoteThe state sold $100 million in bonds to back the project, which was done without federal assistance. The groundbreaking was held Oct. 17, 2013.
Let's take a look at how the express lanes are coming along on I-75/I-575 (all photos taken today):
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The beginning of the construction zone on I-575 southbound.
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Bridge deck off to the right as you merge from I-575 onto I-75.
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The express lanes are elevated over the interchange at GA 5.
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Not yet done over the gore area at Delk Road.
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As you get down toward Windy Hill, it looks like the express lanes may be located where some of the current I-75 southbound lanes are. From a quick glance in my rear view mirror, I saw that this is a left exit sign for Terrell Mill Road, which doesn't have direct access from the existing freeway.
I have noticed that it seems that there are going to be left lane merges to access the toll lanes from 285 east to 75 north? I hope that's not the plan? I also noticed that the south side toll lanes end at 675 where interstate 75 crosses S.R. 138 over a 3 lanes on one side. That bridge needs at least 2 more lanes in each direction. To handle the toll lane merges, in both directions. IMO
The Downtown Connector will be resurfaced beginning this summer...
http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/news/2016/06/08/downtown-connector-resurfacingto-begin-this-summer.html
Didn't the connector get repaved like 7 years ago?
Having to have it re-paved again so soon?
I think ER Snell got the last contract, not CWM.
Quote from: afguy on June 08, 2016, 11:35:56 AM
The Downtown Connector will be resurfaced beginning this summer...
http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/news/2016/06/08/downtown-connector-resurfacingto-begin-this-summer.html
It needs it. Some of the deep ruts are huge around the Interstate 20 area ramps, in particular.
Quote from: xcellntbuy on June 08, 2016, 08:59:10 PM
Quote from: afguy on June 08, 2016, 11:35:56 AM
The Downtown Connector will be resurfaced beginning this summer...
http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/news/2016/06/08/downtown-connector-resurfacingto-begin-this-summer.html
It needs it. Some of the deep ruts are huge around the Interstate 20 area ramps, in particular.
OK, god. South of Grady Curve needs to be resurfaced, but north of Grady Curve is in good shape.
Another 100 miles of Georgia D signage on I-20 is about to disappear in the July letting. See here for the sheets: http://www.atlantaplanroom.com/plans.php?job=805
Also notable: two APL signs will be installed for the I-520 exit (pages 75 and 80 of the plans). 2/10th mile markers will also be added in the urban/suburban areas and 5/10th mile markers will be added in the rural areas.
I assume progress is underway on the I-16 replacements but I haven't had a chance to go check them out yet.
Quote from: lordsutch on June 26, 2016, 02:14:27 AM
Another 100 miles of Georgia D signage on I-20 is about to disappear in the July letting. See here for the sheets: http://www.atlantaplanroom.com/plans.php?job=805
Also notable: two APL signs will be installed for the I-520 exit (pages 75 and 80 of the plans).
One of the APL's is over a mile in advance of the exit, but bears no distance to it. Wassup with that?
In the westbound direction, the mounting scheme for the one mile sign includes a full overhead with provision for another large sign to the right, over what's now shoulder and clear zone. Again, wassup with that? http://www.atlantaplanroom.com/viewer/viewer.php?job=805§ion=1881&file=B1CBA1601337-0_0083.pdf
And, at long last, the new signs will include US 78 shields for the US 78 interchange in Thomson. The current signs (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.5121845,-82.4963001,3a,75y,279.39h,75.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sqoTBU9GTMnVBlX2VjB_JUQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) inexplicably reference only GA 17.
This is a sad day for the Peach State! I always loved its variant of the Series D font; it's the best-looking one thus far.
Quote from: Tom958 on June 26, 2016, 10:35:25 PM
Quote from: lordsutch on June 26, 2016, 02:14:27 AM
Another 100 miles of Georgia D signage on I-20 is about to disappear in the July letting. See here for the sheets: http://www.atlantaplanroom.com/plans.php?job=805
Also notable: two APL signs will be installed for the I-520 exit (pages 75 and 80 of the plans).
One of the APL's is over a mile in advance of the exit, but bears no distance to it. Wassup with that?
In the westbound direction, the mounting scheme for the one mile sign includes a full overhead with provision for another large sign to the right, over what's now shoulder and clear zone. Again, wassup with that? http://www.atlantaplanroom.com/viewer/viewer.php?job=805§ion=1881&file=B1CBA1601337-0_0083.pdf
And, at long last, the new signs will include US 78 shields for the US 78 interchange in Thomson. The current signs (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.5121845,-82.4963001,3a,75y,279.39h,75.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sqoTBU9GTMnVBlX2VjB_JUQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) inexplicably reference only GA 17.
I'm glad they're added a U.S. 78 reference in the new signs as well, long overdue. BTW, perhaps I overlooked it, but I didn't see any new signs planned for Exit 190 in Columbia County. I would imagine this exit was overlooked because GDOT is planning to reconfigure this interchange in 2016 as DDI.
GDOT is holding a public information meeting tomorrow in Garden City regarding the reconstruction of the I-16/I-95 interchange, plus the widening of I-16 between I-95 and I-516. The project will begin in 2018.
QuoteThe public is encouraged to come view displays and discuss the details of the proposed major improvement project with Georgia DOT staff. The public meeting is scheduled 11 a.m. to 1 p.m. and 4 p.m. to 7 p.m. Tuesday at Garden City's City Hall, located at 100 Central Avenue.
The proposed projects would include:
- The addition of one general purpose lane along I-16 eastbound and westbound between I-95 and I-516. Widening for the new lane in each direction is proposed toward the inside median to the extent possible.
- I-16 and I-95 interchange improvements will include reconstructing two of the high-volume loop ramps serving I-95 southbound to eastbound and I-16 westbound to southbound into direct fly-over ramps. Two lower-volume loop ramps serving I-95 northbound to westbound and I-16 eastbound to northbound would be reconstructed and separated from the I-95 mainline; this would eliminate the mainline weaving along I-95. New northbound collector-distributor lanes would be constructed to connect these ramps.
There will be no formal presentation, so interested participants may stop by at any point during the meetings.
Public statements concerning this project will be accepted after the public meeting until July 13 by the following methods:
1) Visit the GDOT project page: https://por.dot.ga.gov/projectInfo/projectInfo.cfm?projID=0012757&projNu... Widening and I-16 at I-95 Interchange Reconst
http://businessinsavannah.com/bis/2016-06-25/bis-brief-public-comment-open-interchange-plans-i-16-i-95
Here's the correct link to the GDOT project page for the post above: linky (https://por.dot.ga.gov/projectInfo/projectInfo.cfm?projID=0012757&projNum=&projName=I-16).
Renderings of the proposed improvements to I-16...
(https://c7.staticflickr.com/8/7345/27354577494_04d1f2ca20_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/HFemSs)I-16/I-95 Interchange Reconstruction-Savannah (https://flic.kr/p/HFemSs) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7430/27865745312_62058dbe9a_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JspefG)I-16 Widening-Savannah (https://flic.kr/p/JspefG) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
More renderings of the I-16 widening in Savannah...
The reason for the large median between I-95 and Deans Forest Road is so that GDOT can construct hurrican evacuation crossovers.
(https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7313/27375103963_699534bc4f_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/HH3yF6)I-16 Widening-Savannah (https://flic.kr/p/HH3yF6) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://c5.staticflickr.com/8/7327/27886734172_9387247df3_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JufNvA)I-16 Widening-Savannah (https://flic.kr/p/JufNvA) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
Quote from: Alex on May 27, 2016, 02:30:41 PM
Jimmy Deloach Parkway connector ready for trucks (http://www.effinghamherald.net/section/1/article/34638/)
QuoteThe state held a ribbon cutting for the Jimmy Deloach Parkway Connector on Friday morning, opening the 3.1-mile stretch of road from Highway 307 to Jimmy Deloach Parkway.
Opening the connector gives trucks a direct access from Interstate 95 to the port of Savannah and allows them to bypass more than three miles of Highway 21.
"This is the direct east-west link from the port to the interstate," said Gov. Nathan Deal. "It will dramatically reduce the congestion and improve the safety on these roads."
State officials anticipate the connector will provide more than 8,000 trucks each day a direct path to the port from I-95 and I-16. Trucks will avoid four traffic signals because of the connector.
QuoteThe state sold $100 million in bonds to back the project, which was done without federal assistance. The groundbreaking was held Oct. 17, 2013.
I finally got around to updating OSM with the new route. Another 3 miles of freeway in Georgia, which normally would merit a bit more fanfare I guess. One presumes GDOT's ultimate goal would be to connect it to I-516 another mile-and-change further south.
Quote from: lordsutch on July 08, 2016, 02:21:44 PM
Quote from: Alex on May 27, 2016, 02:30:41 PM
Jimmy Deloach Parkway connector ready for trucks (http://www.effinghamherald.net/section/1/article/34638/)
QuoteThe state held a ribbon cutting for the Jimmy Deloach Parkway Connector on Friday morning, opening the 3.1-mile stretch of road from Highway 307 to Jimmy Deloach Parkway.
Opening the connector gives trucks a direct access from Interstate 95 to the port of Savannah and allows them to bypass more than three miles of Highway 21.
"This is the direct east-west link from the port to the interstate," said Gov. Nathan Deal. "It will dramatically reduce the congestion and improve the safety on these roads."
State officials anticipate the connector will provide more than 8,000 trucks each day a direct path to the port from I-95 and I-16. Trucks will avoid four traffic signals because of the connector.
QuoteThe state sold $100 million in bonds to back the project, which was done without federal assistance. The groundbreaking was held Oct. 17, 2013.
I finally got around to updating OSM with the new route. Another 3 miles of freeway in Georgia, which normally would merit a bit more fanfare I guess. One presumes GDOT's ultimate goal would be to connect it to I-516 another mile-and-change further south.
You would be correct sir. GDOT's long term plan for the S.R. 21 corridor is to create a limited-access facility from I-516 to I-95. They want to build express elevated lanes above S.R. 21 to accomplish this goal. Here's a link:http://www.corempo.org/Manual/ChapterPage.asp?ModID=81
So this past weekend, I clinched two Georgia state routes, and was thwarted in my effort to clinch a third. On Saturday, I drove the final segment of GA 17 that I'd never driven before, from Helen north to the North Carolina state line. On Sunday, my plan was to clinch GA 212 by driving the entire length of it from Milledgeville to near Panthersville, but there's a bridge out between GA 20 and GA 138 in Rockdale County, so I was unable to complete it. Instead, I decided to clinch GA 138 by driving the segment from Conyers to Fairburn (I've driven the segment from Conyers to Monroe many times). These are a few of my thoughts:
1. Is it possible to build a GA 17 bypass around Helen? Traffic there is always a nightmare, and I'm sure that some of it is from people who are just passing through. Traffic would be much better if there was a bypass. Based on the terrain, I'm guessing that a bypass east of Helen would be more realistic. It'd be expensive either way, though.
2. The segment of GA 17 north of U.S. 76 is only in Georgia for about a mile and a half before crossing into North Carolina and becoming NC 69. In fact, when you're heading southbound from North Carolina into Georgia, it's less than a mile south of the state line before you can see the traffic signal for U.S. 76 in the distance.
3. GA 212 is a straight shot from Atlanta's eastern suburbs to the "Lake Country" of Georgia. In fact, you pass by both Jackson Lake and Lake Sinclair en route, and the scenery in both areas is very nice. The time it took for me to get from Milledgeville to Conyers was just over an hour, and the traffic was very light east of GA 81.
4. The entire length of GA 138 should be widened to four lanes. Right now, the only segments that are four lanes are from Fairburn to Stockbridge, and though part of Conyers. That means the segment from Stockbridge to Conyers still needs to be widened, as does the segment from Conyers to Monroe.
5. If there is a bypass route around a small town, then that should be signed as the main route while the route into town should be signed as the business route. As it is right now, you can have either that setup, or the route through town signed as the main route with the bypass signed as such. There's no consistency. Furthermore, Georgia could do a much better job of marking routes. For example, routes in Gainesville are very poorly marked.
6. After clinching GA 17, I drove U.S. 76 east to Anderson, SC. Now the only segment of U.S. 76 I need to drive in order to clinch the route in Georgia is everything west of Ellijay. Clinching U.S. 76 in the Carolinas will be difficult, though.
7. If you ever drive on U.S. 129/U.S. 441 south of I-20, be sure to stop by the "PECHES" stand just north of Eatonton. You can't miss it; it's a white building with "PECHES" painted in red on the side, and a trailer right behind it. The hours are 10AM-8PM every day from May through September.
I need to see how my pictures from these two excursions turned out. If they're good, then I'll post some here later this week.
It looks like money has been found to replace the I-20 bridges in Augusta
http://www.wrdw.com/content/news/GDOT-and-SCDOT-to-sign-resolution-funding-new-I-20-canal-and-river-bridges-386491121.html
A more detailed article....
QuoteThe new, $75 million dollar plan is to widen the Interstate from two to three lanes from the Riverwatch Parkway exit in Georgia, to the Martintown road exit in South Carolina. Some who travel across the bridges often say the bridges are too narrow and need to be replaced. Truck driver, Tony Taylor says, "Two trucks crossing at the same time, you've only got maybe a foot, foot and a half between the mirrors on the trucks. So it definitely needs to be replaced, something needs to be done." Brenda Davalie, another frequent I-20 traveler says, "They need a new bridge there because it's narrow and it's old and just for safety purposes. I agree, they should change that or redo it or get a new bridge or whatever."
The GDOT says the new bridges will alleviate traffic congestion during wrecks on the bridges. Kyle Collins, a spokesperson for the Georgia Department of Transportation says, "If there is an incident, plenty of room for emergency personnel and officials to get the vehicles involved in the accident off the travel ways. So there's plenty of room on the inside and outside shoulder to do that, to get traffic back flowing quicker than it is now."
This project is still a ways off. Bids for the project will be released in 2018, and construction should start in 2019.
http://wjbf.com/2016/07/13/i-20-bridges-to-be-replaced-in-massive-two-state-project/
GDOT yesterday released the construction letting forecast through January 2017. Some of the highlights for me include ramp meters being added to I-20 West from S.R. 139/MLK Drive in Atlanta to S.R. 5 in Douglas County and sign upgrades along I-85 in Gwinnett being let in August, the I-16/I-75 projects being let in September, I-85 being resurfaced from the Brookwood Interchange to S.R. 140/Jimmy Carter Blvd being let in November, I-95 resurfacing from I-16 to the Savannah River being let in December and I-285 being resurfaced from S.R. 42/U.S. 23/Moreland Ave to S.R. 14/South Fulton Parkway being let in January. Here's a link to the schedule:
http://www.dot.ga.gov/PartnerSmart/Business/Documents/Forecast/ProjectLettingForecast-July122016.pdf
Cobb County is putting $5 million toward a $22 million ramp that will connect Akers Mill Road to the I-75 Northwest Corridor Managed Lanes...
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local-govt-politics/cobb-to-put-5-million-toward-cumberland-ramp-to-ma/nryTW/
Quote from: Gnutella on July 11, 2016, 01:49:38 AM
1. Is it possible to build a GA 17 bypass around Helen? Traffic there is always a nightmare, and I'm sure that some of it is from people who are just passing through. Traffic would be much better if there was a bypass. Based on the terrain, I'm guessing that a bypass east of Helen would be more realistic. It'd be expensive either way, though.
There already is a "bypass" around Helen - sort of: GA 75A. It's not a GA17 bypass. It requires you to take GA115 from Clarkesville into Cleveland. But it does get you around Helen and dumps you back onto 17/75 just north in Robertstown. I haven't been to Helen in years. But it has always been a bit of a mini-Gatlinburg. A tourist trap and a traffic nightmare. That's why I don't go there.
I began motorcycling in North Georgia back in the mid-1980's. There is a lot to see in that area - both on- and off-pavement.
A couple of notes:
Design plan sheets are now posted for the August 2016 letting (http://www.gdotplanroom.com/), including more signage being replaced on I-16 (M004189), which I think kills off Georgia D on I-16 in combination with the other projects already let (except in the downtown Macon area which will be part of the big September letting to reconstruct and widen the first 3 miles), signage replacements on I-85 in Gwinnett County (M004423), and a new roundabout project in Cherokee County (listed as #10, no project number).
Also the GRIP US 441 widening projects from Eatonton north to I-20 at Madison are having a public meeting (http://www.dot.ga.gov/PS/Public/Events) next week, although they're not programmed to start construction until FY 2021. That would complete the four-laning of US 441 from I-16 north to north of I-20; it looks like extending the four-lane to Watkinsville is further on the backburner.
Quote from: Fred Defender on July 15, 2016, 10:49:38 AMI began motorcycling in North Georgia back in the mid-1980's. There is a lot to see in that area - both on- and off-pavement.
I've been driving through the north Georgia mountains a lot lately. I clinched GA 60 back in April, and also drove a significant segment of U.S. 64 in western North Carolina. Lots of cool waterfalls up that way.
After clinching GA 17, I also drove a segment of U.S. 76 in upstate South Carolina, from the Georgia state line to Anderson. This coming weekend, I plan to drive a segment of GA 16 from Eatonton to its eastern terminus in Warrenton, clinch I-520 all the way around Augusta (driving clockwise), spend an hour or two in Columbia, and then drive a segment of U.S. 76 from Columbia to Anderson. Once I drive I-520, I will have clinched every Interstate in Georgia, and the only Interstates left for me to clinch in South Carolina will be I-185, I-385 and I-585. I will also have driven U.S. 76 from Ellijay to Columbia, and GA 16 from Griffin to Warrenton.
Quote from: lordsutch on July 25, 2016, 08:39:03 PMAlso the GRIP US 441 widening projects from Eatonton north to I-20 at Madison are having a public meeting (http://www.dot.ga.gov/PS/Public/Events) next week, although they're not programmed to start construction until FY 2021. That would complete the four-laning of US 441 from I-16 north to north of I-20; it looks like extending the four-lane to Watkinsville is further on the backburner.
I just hope that when they widen U.S. 129/U.S. 441 between Madison and Eatonton, they don't tear down the
roadside stand (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.4061751,-83.367842,3a,30y,106.3h,85.53t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sV5ouTjZLjiZt-3UHz6BaCQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) with "PECHES" painted on the side.
I've fallen off the face of the Earth. No, not really, but most of my roadgeeking is now done through Facebook groups. I like the quicker feedback, and it's s-o-o-o-o easy to just upload photos straight from my phone, bypassing Imgur. Now I feel guilty for forsaking this valuable forum, but... I don't subscribe to a newspaper, either, even though everyone should. Welcome to the 21st century.
Anyway, last weekend I drove home to Lawrenceville from Charlotte via I-77 and SC-GA 72, which I'd done before-- in 1994 or so! I was more than a little surprised to find that the existing four-laned section of 72 from Comer to Athens is almost all built with a curbed suburban-style median, whether in town or in the countryside. That includes the sections still under construction from Colbert to Comer. There's also a new-terrain bypass under construction from west of Comer to just before the Broad River, east of Carlton. That's about ten miles' worth. Speaking of the Broad River, I'm embarrassed to admit that I was so busy watching the road, looking at the grading for the new bypass and wondering whether to pull over in the light rain to ask those surveyors whether the old bridge piers I could see would survive the project... I didn't notice that the existing bridge was an open spandrel arch from the '30's that was cobbled onto in 1986 (http://bridgehunter.com/ga/madison/19500110/)!:
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A few miles east, though is this spectacular bifurcation. The older roadway, now used for eastbound traffic, passes under a railroad, then over a creek. For whatever reason, the newer roadway, c. 1995, passes over both, leading to a huge and scenic difference in elevation. The last time I was through here was when the new bridge was under construction, when today's green overgrowth was a sea of red clay. The new bridge itself is just AASHTO beams, of course, but its height alone is spectacular, and it has T-shaped columns, which I'm a total sucker for:
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Oh, I forgot to mention that the conversion of GA 316 to a freeway from GA 120 to GA 20-124 has been completed, and this sign and its arrow-bearing compadre have survived:
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Also, I'll just leave this here. :clap:
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The I-85 express lane extension has broken ground...
QuoteThe 10-mile extension will run from Old Peachtree Road to Hamilton Mill Road, connecting with a 16-mile stretch of toll lanes south along I-85 into northern DeKalb County.
"It's no surprise to those of us who travel this corridor that this is a much-needed project," State Transportation Board member Rudy Bowen of Lawrenceville said during a groundbreaking ceremony held along the highway just south of the Mall of Georgia. "This extension will increase commuting options for motorists."
After initial resistance to the toll lanes when they opened from drivers objecting to the tolls, the ability to drive in less traffic during busy times of day in exchange for a toll has become increasingly popular. The State Road and Tollway Authority (SRTA), which operates the program, set a record toll of $12 last fall to drive the entire 16 miles one way. The toll varies according to the level of traffic.
SRTA Executive Director Chris Tomlinson said he expects the toll to rise incrementally when the additional 10-mile stretch opens in 2018, but should run less per mile than the toll lanes further south.
"Congestion is lighter up here, so the price will be lower," he said.
Commuter buses, alternative-fuel vehicles and motorcycles will be exempt from the toll, as they are now in the current toll lanes. Also, drivers of cars with three or more occupants won't have to pay.
http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/news/2016/08/03/i-85-toll-lanes-extension-breaks-ground.html
QuoteThe money for ramp was supposed to be available in August, but officials now realize they have to pay millions more for I-75 and I-285 construction to accommodate the ramp.
The Cumberland Community Improvement District proposed a ramp at Akers Mill Road in Cumberland as a part of the $834 million Northwest Corridor project. The ramp was supposed to connect Akers Mill Road directly to I-75 to alleviate some of the traffic in the area.
ANIMATION: How the Northwest Corridor Express Lanes would work gallery
ANIMATION: How the Northwest Corridor Express Lanes would work
"Without the ramp, you have a congestion problem and a safety problem left unsolved," CID Chairman Leithead said.
The Georgia Department of Transportation agreed to build the ramp if the CID could come up with the money to design and build it at an estimated cost of $22 million by a deadline set for this August, Leithead said.
"The August deadline is no longer relevant," Leithead said. "That deadline was for us to raise $22 million for a $22 million project. This is no longer a $22 million project."
Cobb County's Board of Commissioners put $5 million behind the ramp in July and the CID sought other funding partners to cover the construction costs of the project. The CID had nearly reached their $22 million goal.
But a new study of the project set the costs even higher. The initial estimate didn't account for the fact that the construction of the ramp is actually two projects in one, Leithead said.
"They've got to rebuild and widen the portal on I-75 to allow for the additional capacity that our ramp will create," Leithead said. He added that the work on the portal alone could cost $18 million on top of the $22 million estimate to build the ramp itself. Other design problems bring the total costs to around $51 million, Leithead said.
The CID is now trying to develop a new plan to build the ramp, starting by setting a new deadline by which to close the funding gap.
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/proposed-i-75-cumberland-ramp-now-estimated-at-51-/nsBDL/
Quote from: Tom958 on July 31, 2016, 02:44:19 PM
Oh, I forgot to mention that the conversion of GA 316 to a freeway from GA 120 to GA 20-124 has been completed, and this sign and its arrow-bearing compadre have survived:
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Also, I'll just leave this here. :clap:
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Button-copy in GA? I thought this was nonexistent when the unique narrow-font signs first went up some 25 years ago. It's definitely amazing that it's survived this long.
Regarding the Hot lanes on I-H 85 in Gwinnett county. Its been 5 years since they have been installed. I'm sure that the SRTA has made a ####load of money off of it. But the question is: Have those hot lanes done anything to alleviate the traffic issues on the northeast expressway? Is it worth it paying 25 bucks a day (during worst congestion scenarios)? IMO, I think that concept was like putting a band aid on a bullet wound?
Quote from: Tomahawkin on August 05, 2016, 10:06:03 PM
Regarding the Hot lanes on I-H 85 in Gwinnett county. Its been 5 years since they have been installed. I'm sure that the SRTA has made a ####load of money off of it. But the question is: Have those hot lanes done anything to alleviate the traffic issues on the northeast expressway? Is it worth it paying 25 bucks a day (during worst congestion scenarios)? IMO, I think that concept was like putting a band aid on a bullet wound?
I think a better option would be to have two toll lanes so faster traffic can pass the slower traffic in the express lanes.
Quote from: Henry on August 05, 2016, 03:37:52 PM
Button-copy in GA? I thought this was nonexistent when the unique narrow-font signs first went up some 25 years ago. It's definitely amazing that it's survived this long.
Button copy still lives in GA if you know where to look. The BGS for the frontage roads along the GA-141 freeway in Doraville still have Button Copy in most places. There may also be some hiding out in downtown Savannah, but I can't remember whether that's true or just something my mind made up. :/
A new interchange is coming to I-85 in Gwinnett County
QuoteOn Tuesday the Gwinnett Board of Commissioners accepted a $2 million grant that will help pay for land acquisition for a new interchange at Ga. 324/Gravel Springs Road.
County Transportation Director Alan Chapman said the intersection will feature a diverging diamond interchange like the ones at Jimmy Carter Boulevard and Pleasant Hill Road. The interchange would be about halfway between the Hamilton Mill Road and Ga.20 exits and would be another way to reach the Mall of Georgia, Chapman said.
Land acquisition for the project is expected to cost about $7 million. Commissioners accepted a $2 million grant from the Georgia Transportation Infrastructure Bank to pay for part of the cost. The federal government will cover the rest of the cost of land acquisition.
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/gwinnett-will-get-another-i-85-interchange/nsGqH/
Quote from: afguy on August 16, 2016, 04:49:17 PM
A new interchange is coming to I-85 in Gwinnett County
QuoteOn Tuesday the Gwinnett Board of Commissioners accepted a $2 million grant that will help pay for land acquisition for a new interchange at Ga. 324/Gravel Springs Road.
County Transportation Director Alan Chapman said the intersection will feature a diverging diamond interchange like the ones at Jimmy Carter Boulevard and Pleasant Hill Road. The interchange would be about halfway between the Hamilton Mill Road and Ga.20 exits and would be another way to reach the Mall of Georgia, Chapman said.
Land acquisition for the project is expected to cost about $7 million. Commissioners accepted a $2 million grant from the Georgia Transportation Infrastructure Bank to pay for part of the cost. The federal government will cover the rest of the cost of land acquisition.
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/gwinnett-will-get-another-i-85-interchange/nsGqH/
The just-started HOT lane project includes an auxiliary lane from the onramp from GA 20 to 85 northbound to the offramp for this interchange.
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When I last drove through on Monday, the VMS's for the dynamic lane on northbound I-85 between Jimmy Carter and Indian Trail were displaying a test message. Hopefully they're fully operational by now.
Quote from: Tom958 on August 25, 2016, 09:21:15 PM
When I last drove through on Monday, the VMS's for the dynamic lane on northbound I-85 between Jimmy Carter and Indian Trail were displaying a test message. Hopefully they're fully operational by now.
Alas, no, not by yesterday.
Check out this post about new signage and new signage policy (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=18699.0) in the Northwest Corridor area.
Renderings of the I-285/Camp Creek Pkwy DDI in East Point...
QuoteSR 6/Camp Creek Parkway at I-285 is presently an overpass comprised of two eastbound and westbound travel lanes with signalized single left turn lanes and unsignalized right turn lanes, each proving northbound and southbound access to I-285 from SR6 in both directions. This proposed project will reconstruct the interchange at I-285 and SR6/Camp Creek Parkway to incorporate a Diverging Diamond Interchange (DDI). The proposed typical section for SR 6/ Camp Creek Parkway will maintain the existing four 12-foot travel lanes in each direction from the interchange. Improvements along Camp Creek Parkway will include pedestrian upgrades and lighting on the east side of the interchange.
(https://c5.staticflickr.com/8/7570/29367237636_e6ca29d691_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LK5LBo)Interstate 285/Camp Creek Pkwy DDI-East Point (https://flic.kr/p/LK5LBo) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://c6.staticflickr.com/9/8081/29401813085_4e336650f0_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LN8YFP)Interstate 285/Camp Creek Pkwy DDI-East Point (https://flic.kr/p/LN8YFP) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
Here's a good NY Times piece on how rising ocean levels are forcing the closure of US 80 from the mainland to Tybee Island, GA due to constant flooding from high tides.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/09/04/science/flooding-of-coast-caused-by-global-warming-has-already-begun.html?smid=tw-share&referer=
Found this article via TollRoadsNews: Henry County fire department gets look at new I-75 express toll lanes (http://www.henryherald.com/news/henry-county-fire-department-gets-look-at-new-i-/article_7beacfa2-0972-5a48-a663-5e7243d71b3d.html). There are some new details in the article:
QuoteThere will be a two-hour window each day for the lanes to switch from northbound to southbound, beginning at 11 a.m. The lanes will switch back northbound at 10:30 p.m. Barrier arms will be in place to keep motorists from exiting at the wrong place, Thompson said.
Three emergency drills are scheduled for October, followed by three in November, and at least one in December. The express lanes are still scheduled to open in January.
So, the I-75 toll lanes south of the 675 interchange are supposed to be open in January??? I was down there 2 months ago and it looked like the were way behind? Does anyone have any updates or pictures. I work at Vogtle, this time of the year, therefore I'm not in the area much. Also updates are needed on the toll lane construction by the new braves park. That area is going to be FUBR. Since there was no consideration of Marta to the area. Which was seriously needed but neglected. Typical conservative f'd up Georgia politics. SMFH
A new access point is being planned for Fort Gordon to make way for Army Cyber Command. Army Cyber Command will bring 4,600 new jobs to Augusta by 2019.
QuoteThis project will widen US 78/US 278/SR 10/Gordon Hwy to four 12-foot travel lanes with a 44-foot depressed grass median and 10-foot outside rural shoulders from approximately 550 feet southwest of the intersection of Gordon Hwy with SR 223/East Robinson Avenue and 19th Street to a proposed roundabout that will intersect with the new Fort Gordon ACP/Gate 6 roadway (which will be constructed as a separate project by Fort Gordon). The proposed intersection type will be a two-lane roundabout, chosen to accommodate the anticipated traffc volume demands resulting from anticipated changes to Fort Gordon's access plan. The length of the proposed project is approximately 1.6 miles
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https://gtas.dot.ga.gov/0013248/Concept%20Report/0013248_CR_JUN2016.pdf
Would that be Georgia's first multilane roundabout?
Depends on when it's built. I know there are two multilane roundabouts proposed in Bibb County - one on US 80/GA 22 just east of where the four-lane section begins at Fulton Mill Road (info here (http://www.dot.ga.gov/BuildSmart/Projects/Pages/TransPi.aspx?ProjectID=0013332)), and more recently one at the US 41/129/GA 11/49/247 clusterf*ck in south Macon. The latter doesn't have a project number yet that I've been able to find - there's a Telegraph story here (http://www.macon.com/news/local/article82860752.html).
Quote from: lordsutch on September 27, 2016, 10:40:45 PM...one at the US 41/129/GA 11/49/247 clusterf*ck in south Macon. The latter doesn't have a project number yet that I've been able to find - there's a Telegraph story here (http://www.macon.com/news/local/article82860752.html).
Thanks! That seems like an exceedingly risky place to build a multilane roundabout. :hmmm:
Quote from: Tom958 on September 28, 2016, 10:23:42 PM
Thanks! That seems like an exceedingly risky place to build a multilane roundabout. :hmmm:
Let's not invoke Beetlejuice in this thread too, please...
GDOT is planning to widen I-985 from its southern terminus in Northern Gwinnett County to SR 53 in Hall County. The 16-mile stretch will be widened to six lanes beginning in 2022.
http://www.dot.ga.gov/BuildSmart/Projects/Pages/TransPi.aspx?ProjectID=0014130
Quote from: afguy on June 28, 2016, 05:57:34 PM
Renderings of the proposed improvements to I-16...
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So northbound I-95 is going to keep the loop ramps? I honestly don't know how I feel about that.
:confused:
Quote from: D-Dey65 on October 01, 2016, 05:28:11 PM
So northbound I-95 is going to keep the loop ramps? I honestly don't know how I feel about that.
:confused:
I assume they're the lowest volume movements by far. That said, it's hard to tell from the rendering but it looks like there's going to be a C/D road added for I-95 northbound.
The Oconee river crossing south of Milledgeville on the Fall Line Freeway opens Monday morning (October 17), completing the route, except the stalled portion around Macon due to the cancellation of the Eisenhower Parkway extension across the Ocmuglee River near the Ocmulgee National Monument. https://twitter.com/GDOTEastTraffic/status/786278066959986688
As far as how it will be signed, it's not clear; no shields were included on the plan sheets and I didn't see any posted the last time I was over in Baldwin County last month. GDOT might finally decide to sign GA 540 or they may just move GA 24 onto the route west to US 441 and GA 243 onto the rest of it. Or they might just leave it unsigned just to confuse people, like they did with the open section from GA 243 east to GA 112.
On Facebook they're claiming it'll have a 65 mph speed limit but all the plan sheets show 55 mph signs; like the Gordon bypass it may initially be signed at 55 until they come out and redo all the signs in a few months.
I'm hoping to be able to get over there Monday morning for the pagentry, such as it is.
Looks like big "doins" south of my town. There should be fewer log trucks driving through Milledgeville, as a result.
Drove the new section of the Fall Line Freeway today; it is very lacking in reassurance signage but it appears the plan was/is to sign it as an extension of GA 243 from a couple of shields installed southbound (northbound they're all missing). The speed limit signs are 55 mph, as in the design plans. Construction continues on widening GA 24 from there to Sandersville.
It was too dark when I got back to Gray to see how the bypass construction was going exactly but GA 18 west seems to now be diverted onto the new roadway at the western end.
http://www.newtoncitizen.com/news/local/gdot-to-hold-open-house-oct-for-proposed-i-/article_7b8d3822-24a4-543f-9d11-f09d4ef250ea.html
GDOT looking at the possibility of either a DDI or SPUI at exit 82 on I-20 in Conyers (at GA 138 & GA 20.) According to this article they had an open house for it back on October 11.
My sister lives less than a half mile from that interchange and has to deal with it everyday, and from what little experience I've had with it I've seen it's a pain in the ass, so I hope to see them go ahead with either option.
Quote from: afguy on October 01, 2016, 04:53:42 PM
GDOT is planning to widen I-985 from its southern terminus in Northern Gwinnett County to SR 53 in Hall County. The 16-mile stretch will be widened to six lanes beginning in 2022.
http://www.dot.ga.gov/BuildSmart/Projects/Pages/TransPi.aspx?ProjectID=0014130
Needs it badly. Hopefully they can straighten out a few curves too.
Quote from: Buck87 on October 19, 2016, 11:20:04 PM
http://www.newtoncitizen.com/news/local/gdot-to-hold-open-house-oct-for-proposed-i-/article_7b8d3822-24a4-543f-9d11-f09d4ef250ea.html
GDOT looking at the possibility of either a DDI or SPUI at exit 82 on I-20 in Conyers (at GA 138 & GA 20.) According to this article they had an open house for it back on October 11.
My sister lives less than a half mile from that interchange and has to deal with it everyday, and from what little experience I've had with it I've seen it's a pain in the ass, so I hope to see them go ahead with either option.
I used to live in Conyers and can confirm, it's a complete nightmare, particularly in conjunction with the nearby signal at Dogwood Dr. There's plenty of through traffic on GA 20/138 (particularly people south of I-20 accessing the WalMart shopping center), so I'd probably go with a SPUI as the better solution here.
Quote from: Gnutella on October 20, 2016, 02:16:03 AM
Quote from: afguy on October 01, 2016, 04:53:42 PM
GDOT is planning to widen I-985 from its southern terminus in Northern Gwinnett County to SR 53 in Hall County. The 16-mile stretch will be widened to six lanes beginning in 2022.
http://www.dot.ga.gov/BuildSmart/Projects/Pages/TransPi.aspx?ProjectID=0014130
Needs it badly. Hopefully they can straighten out a few curves too.
I'm genuinely surprised by this. I wonder if it'll be a simple widening like what they're doing on 400 or a full reconstruction as is planned for 85. I was also surprised by the decision not to provide direct access from 985 to the HOT lanes on 85. With more lanes on 985, that may become a matter of great regret.
Quote from: Tom958 on July 30, 2016, 08:55:49 PM
A few miles east, though is this spectacular bifurcation. The older roadway, now used for eastbound traffic, passes under a railroad, then over a creek. For whatever reason, the newer roadway, c. 1995, passes over both, leading to a huge and scenic difference in elevation. The last time I was through here was when the new bridge was under construction, when today's green overgrowth was a sea of red clay. The new bridge itself is just AASHTO beams, of course, but its height alone is spectacular, and it has T-shaped columns, which I'm a total sucker for:
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I haven't drove that stretch of road since 2006!!! So they're doing more work on Ga. 72 near Comer? I still say that road will be four-laned to join SC 72's four-laned section. The entire road (Athens-Rock Hill) will eventually be widened in full. IMO.
QuoteThe 16.6-mile portion of the 441 widening in Morgan and Oconee counties was on ice for two decades, but now the state has a lot more money to spend on construction. Thanks largely to increased fuel taxes and new fees, the Georgia Department of Transportation's motor fuel revenues have roughly doubled in two years, from about $1 billion in the 2015 fiscal year to nearly $2 billion in the 2017 fiscal year, according to the state agency's website.
Last year, state road planners fast-tracked the Oconee-Morgan widening, taking it off a list to of projects that would be funded with federal dollars and putting it on a list of projects the DOT will pay for with its new money stream. Getting rid of the federal designation also means the project doesn't have to conform to some federal rules and environmental protections.
http://onlineathens.com/mobile/2016-10-26/big-crowd-turns-out-dot-forum-441-widening-bishop-bypass
Remember this, the APL that was so confusing that, after a TV news report about the numerous near-crashes it caused, GDOT cut it in two?
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Well, it's fixed now-- photos are by Bryant5493. First, the pullthrough:
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Then the new exit sign a few days later:
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Quote from: Tom958 on November 04, 2016, 08:32:13 PM
Remember this, the APL that was so confusing that, after a TV news report about the numerous near-crashes it caused, GDOT cut it in two?
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Have a photo in my collection showing the pre-APL signs from 2012 too.
SRTA and GDOT showed off examples of the barriers (http://www.henryherald.com/news/warning-gates-to-stop-wrong-way-traffic-on-new-i/article_408b7284-245e-5ef8-a5f2-f92834ac7e95.html) that will be used on the reversible I-75 South express lanes to the media. The article says that they're planning on a late January opening, which is consistent with recent progress - I drove through the construction zone today and it looks like the main items remaining are a final layer of asphalt, striping, and ground-level signage.
Edit: they've also announced testing of the dynamic pricing signs and travel time information (http://www.georgiatolls.com/assets/docs/PeachPass_Testing_Nov2016.pdf) should begin shortly.
Chatham County commissioners approved funds for a redesign of the Dean Forest/I-16 interchange. The plan is to convert it to a DDI. Commissioners also want to push for GDOT to extend the widening of I-16 to at least Pooler Parkway if not all the way to Pembroke...
QuoteThe county commission voted unanimously Friday to pay Savannah-based McGee Partners $541,165 to develop plans and an approved environmental document for the work on the State Route 307 exit, which will include an entirely new overpass and additional ramp space, according to County Engineer Leon Davenport.
Davenport said the current concept for the project is to install a diverging diamond interchange, much like what's being constructed now at Interstate 95 and Ga. 21.
According to county documents, the plans will be carried out in conjunction with the Georgia Department of Transportation's I-16 widening project. Once the plans are complete, the state department will be responsible for taking the project from there – acquisition of rights-of-way, costs to relocate utilities and construction.
DOT spokeswoman Jill Nagel said Friday the plan is to award the contract for the project along with the larger widening project in the summer of 2018. She said construction, which includes widening of I-16 to three lanes from I-95 to Interstate 516 and improvements to the I-95/I-16 interchange, is expected to begin in 2019. Completion is anticipated by 2021.
"The new travel lane will be on the inside with a concrete barrier wall, and that's also in conjunction with the I-95, I-16 interchange improvements," Nagel said. "We will have two flyovers, one on 1-95 southbound going onto I-16 eastbound, and one from I-16 westbound going to I-95 southbound. It's a big project. It's still in pre-construction. They are doing some noise studies right there at I-16 and 95 to see if it warrants any kind of sound barrier walls, anything like that."
She added that the project will maintain the interstate's use as a hurricane evacuation route. The improvements will still allow for contraflow.
Although she didn't have an estimate on the costs for the new Dean Forest Road overpass, Nagel said the cost for the widening on I-16 and the new interchange is estimated to be between $150 million and $200 million. The project will be design-build, she said, which means the selected contractor will do design, engineering and pre-construction services for the project, in addition to the construction. This method, Davenport told the commission, will move the project along more quickly than the traditional method.
"It's just really needed at this time, the widening, due to traffic counts," Nagel said.
In 2015, she said, the average daily traffic along this area of I-16 was 58,840. By the time the improvements are finished, DOT is expecting that to increase to 69,180. The widening is designed to hold a capacity of 96,820 average daily trips, which is expected to be adequate though the year 2040.
"We're looking forward, " she said. "Once the Savannah River is deepened and these big sea vessels come in, we're going to have big trucks."
While he lauded the project Friday, west Chatham Commissioner Dean Kicklighter said he intends to work with Chairman Al Scott to push for widening the interstate farther. Davenport said plans may be amended to expand the interstate to three lanes as far as Pooler Parkway, but Kicklighter suggested they take it all the way to Pembroke.
Commissioner Helen Stone, a member of the board of directors for Chatham Area Transit, suggested that plans provide for an HOV or bus lane in the event that the transit system becomes a regional system.
http://savannahnow.com/news/2016-11-19/chatham-oks-500k-new-dean-forest-i-16-overpass-plan
I have a piece of not-great news as regards construction plan availability from GDOT.
For almost three years now, I have had a crawler-downloader that goes through the project listings in GDOT's TransPI and marks up for download any project that has signing (sheets in GDOT plan sheet groups 26 and 27) and which I have not previously downloaded (the PI number is cross-checked against a list of previously downloaded projects). I wrote the first version of this batch file in January 2014 and in that time it has helped me pull in almost 2700 sheets' worth of pattern-accurate sign elevations and sign panel details.
Now, sometime in the last month (last successful run of the crawler-downloader was on October 9), GDOT has taken away TransPI and replaced it with GeoPI. GeoPI has similar search functionality, but the project pages it loads do not link to plan sheet listings. I have checked a few individual plan sheet URLs and they are still on the server, but there now seems to be no way to harvest links. I don't know if link pages will be added in the future, or otherwise be made accessible.
A while back afguy posted about a project to add a halfassed CD road, separated by paint and vertical delineators rather than a barrier, to I-20 eastbound between Fulton Industrial and 285 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=204.msg2072789#msg2072789). Today I went to see if anything whatever happened with that, and... prepare to facepalm.
Upward-pointing arrows. What section of the MUTCD are they in? that extra-fat font with the letters compressed together is seen intermittently across the state, but here they did it consistently. Also note that the cardinal direction is aligned with the route numerals instead of being near the top of the shield as usual.
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There's now a different line type for the exit lane. Also, the noise barriers are protected by a W beam guardrail with closely-spaced posts due to inadequate deflection distance, I guess because they expect to be widening this within a decade and demolishing the usual CS barrier base would be a pain.
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A solid stripe now,and a solidly heinous pair of up arrows. The single exit tab with two numbers suggests a single exit that branches. We'll see. The fifth lane is new, added by this project-- I'm surprised by how wide the right shoulder still is. Oh: according to Streetview, the paving and some of the signs were done after April but by August of this year.
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Double white lines. the ramps are considered to be on a separate roadway now.
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Having two lanes for the 285 south movement is a relic of FHWA guidance from a long time ago that there should (almost) always be one more lane leaving a split than entering. The extra lane ends before the ramp gets to 285.
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No exit only arrow, implying that there's a default lane for straight-ahead traffic. Whatever
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Okay, what is the GDOT smoking? They had some terrific renovated signs and now this...in the Atlanta metro to boot
Quote from: J N Winkler on November 19, 2016, 06:16:53 PM
Now, sometime in the last month (last successful run of the crawler-downloader was on October 9), GDOT has taken away TransPI and replaced it with GeoPI. GeoPI has similar search functionality, but the project pages it loads do not link to plan sheet listings. I have checked a few individual plan sheet URLs and they are still on the server, but there now seems to be no way to harvest links. I don't know if link pages will be added in the future, or otherwise be made accessible.
The plan sheets are now hiding under the "Related Documents" link when you select a project in GeoPI.
Despite the bad arrows and the compressed signage, it looks like the road surface has been repaved recently. The whole Interstate 20 west of Atlanta is (or was) not in good shape.
Quote from: lordsutch on November 21, 2016, 01:17:37 AMThe plan sheets are now hiding under the "Related Documents" link when you select a project in GeoPI.
Many thanks for this--I have now tracked down that search function and am playing with it to see if I can get it to give me a listing of GDOT projects that have had construction plans added recently where said plans include signing.
Quote from: lordsutch on October 19, 2016, 08:38:52 PM
Drove the new section of the Fall Line Freeway today; it is very lacking in reassurance signage but it appears the plan was/is to sign it as an extension of GA 243 from a couple of shields installed southbound (northbound they're all missing). The speed limit signs are 55 mph, as in the design plans. Construction continues on widening GA 24 from there to Sandersville.
It was too dark when I got back to Gray to see how the bypass construction was going exactly but GA 18 west seems to now be diverted onto the new roadway at the western end.
Because of an unavoidable appointment on Wednesday morning, we didn't get on the road to Florida from Southwest Virginia until about 1 p.m. The plan was to drive partway and finish the trip on Thursday. I already knew I wanted to avoid the I-26/I-95/I-4 route to get from Columbia to Tampa, since I expected it would be a zoo the day before Thanksgiving. We had tried the "direct" route coming north after Christmas (U.S. 129/U.S. 220/U.S. 1 from Jasper to Augusta) but it was less than stellar (especially in the dark).
The Fall Line Expressway seemed to be the best solution. Even though it took us a bit to the west to reach Macon, it would then provide a straight shot down I-75. So far, it has somewhat worked -- although the travel time can't be compared yet.
The traffic started on I-77 at the Fancy Gap exit and didn't let up until Augusta. Charlotte was even more ridiculous than usual, with slow going from Troutman to the I-485 split. The beltway was moving along, but there was a long backup to get on I-85 west. Traffic continued to be heavy all the way to Columbia, although in a lot of places it was moving well. The problems came from vehicle operators (they weren't really "drivers") who hung out in the left lane doing at or just under the speed limit. They were there due to the number of vehicle operators in the right lane who were well under the speed limit.
Heading west on I-20 out of Columbia was still in traffic, but it gradually thinned out. After a late meal stop, it was on to wrap up the first leg of the trip. Getting to U.S. 1 of I-520 was pretty easy and after several miles of commercial strip and traffic lights, traffic pretty much disappeared. The speed limit finally went from 55 to 65 and went back and forth between those limits all the way to Macon.
Even with the latest map loaded in the Garmin GPS, it was confused about the route from Augusta to Macon. It wanted to go further west on I-20 before turning south. I plugged in the route in Google maps on my phone and it handled the routing, although in small chunks die to some of the road relocations from construction and the multiple route number changes. It took about 2 hours to get across the countryside.
The right turn onto Ga. 88 outside of Wrens (the place needs a bypass) was a right-angle turn (a slip ramp would be a nice transition). I didn't see any signs in the dark identifying this as the Fall Line Expressway (nor did I see any anywhere along the route). Even more interesting is that the latest state road map doesn't even show any sign of the highway existing -- no new roads or even dashed lines to show new construction.
There are two traffic lights on the highway (once in Macon it doesn't really count)-- one at Linton Road in Sandersville adjacent to a middle school and one at Deepstep Road adjacent to the Oconee Fall Line Technical College. There is an at-grade railroad crossing just east of that intersection, also.
From Sandersville, there is 15 miles of two-lane road pretty much still on the original alignment of Ga. 24. In the dark, it looked like most of the work was done on the westbound lanes except for finishing work in places (guardrail, shoulder finishing, lines and reflectors, etc.). The road went back to four lanes divided at Ga. 540. It eventually dropped to a four-lane highway as it approached Macon, but getting on I-16 was pretty seamless.
Bruce in Blacksburg
Quote from: VTGoose on November 26, 2016, 02:49:59 PM
The road went back to four lanes divided at Ga. 540. It eventually dropped to a four-lane highway as it approached Macon, but getting on I-16 was pretty seamless.
Bruce in Blacksburg
Since the GRIP number for the Fall Line is 540, it's interesting that Bruce cited that number -- have they actually signed the new section of the expressway as that number (and are they intending to extend such signage once the route is fully & functionally completed as an expressway)? If so, it'll join 515 & 520 in the "actually signed as such" GRIP family. It would be useful for the through-traffic purposes that the facility is intended to enhance if a single number would be applied from Macon to Augusta; 540 would certainly do!
Has anyone seen the area where the express toll lanes end at the new Braves stadium? For the love of god why did they make those bridges carry a 1 lane capacity? If an accident happens it creates more backup if not shutting down the elevated sections. Also they have done nothing to widen the main lanes of IH-285 through the Cobb Cloverleaf. Looks like another job by G-Dot where they are putting a band aid on a bullet wound
Quote from: VTGoose on November 26, 2016, 02:49:59 PM
The problems came from vehicle operators (they weren't really "drivers") who hung out in the left lane doing at or just under the speed limit. They were there due to the number of vehicle operators in the right lane who were well under the speed limit.
"Vehicle operator" is just a fancy word for driver. What you want is (courtesy of trucker slang) "steering wheel holder."
Past that, it seems like an interesting trip. Let me know if you would recommend that route. It might be the way I take to visit my grandmother, who also lives in the Tampa Bay area.
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on November 27, 2016, 05:45:41 PM
Quote from: VTGoose on November 26, 2016, 02:49:59 PM
The problems came from vehicle operators (they weren't really "drivers") who hung out in the left lane doing at or just under the speed limit. They were there due to the number of vehicle operators in the right lane who were well under the speed limit.
"Vehicle operator" is just a fancy word for driver. What you want is (courtesy of trucker slang) "steering wheel holder."
"Steering wheel holder" is giving them too much credit. How do you expect them to hold the wheel with a cell phone in one hand and a coffee/soda/sandwich in the other? :-D
It looks like Chatham County commissioners have convinced GDOT to extend the I-16 widening. Unfortunately, it won't happen until after 2030....
http://www.thempc.org/docs/lit/CoreMpo/Plans/TotalMobility/2016/Nov/Amendment.pdf
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on November 27, 2016, 05:45:41 PM
Quote from: VTGoose on November 26, 2016, 02:49:59 PM
The problems came from vehicle operators (they weren't really "drivers") who hung out in the left lane doing at or just under the speed limit. They were there due to the number of vehicle operators in the right lane who were well under the speed limit.
"Vehicle operator" is just a fancy word for driver. What you want is (courtesy of trucker slang) "steering wheel holder."
I equate "vehicle operator" with "appliance operator" -- it doesn't take any skill or much knowledge to stick something in a microwave oven and push a couple of buttons or wash a load of clothes in a standard washing machine. I consider "driver" and "driving" to require some skill and ability to function on the road, whether it is an open interstate or city traffic. A driver is aware of what is ahead and behind and is able to adjust in advance. But I do like "steering wheel holder."
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Past that, it seems like an interesting trip. Let me know if you would recommend that route. It might be the way I take to visit my grandmother, who also lives in the Tampa Bay area.
I can now say I've tried this route and I still believe that I-77 (or a good four-lane highway with town bypasses) needs to be extended south from Columbia or Augusta to Gainesville. Timewise, it wasn't much different than I-26/I-95/west somehow/I-75 to get to Tampa (although I still don't have a good measure -- we hit the incoming weather front just south of Macon and drove for three hours in pouring rain and darkness; we threw in the towel and spend the night in Augusta). Mileage is longer though and the lack of an easy transition from interstate to freeway at either end is a problem. While most of the Fall Line Expressway is nice four-lane highway, getting to it from I-16 is slow going, as is part of the way from Augusta and through Wrens. One still has to know where to go to find the expressway, since there is NO signage that indicates that the route exists. Once along it from the west there are route signs for Ga. 540, but they peter out along the way. There was a message board near Sandersville (where it goes from four-lane to shared two-lanes) that said "Bypass open 12/1/16" (missed it by a day) but it looks like it will only be the section from there to where traffic shifts from the westbound side to the eastbound (older in places) section. There was still equipment on the new roadway and it appeared there is still more work to be done in places.
While the road is close to interstate standards as far as lanes and grade, there is no way this highway could be converted/tagged as an Interstate highway -- there are too many driveways and at-grade road crossings to convert to interchanges. But not every highway needs that red/white/blue shield to be a good route.
If anyone has some cash to buy land, look along this highway. It reminds me of U.S. 19 through West Virginia, which went from a two-lane highway through pretty much nowhere to a four-lane highway that fed a lot of commercial growth in Summersville and Fayetteville. When we first started using this to shortcut from Beckley to I-79, about the only place to stop along the way was the Dairy Queen in Summersville. We had to make a stop on this trip (my wife was not feeling well) and it was a major diversion into Sandersville and back to the highway because there just isn't anything along the road yet. Placed right, a Sheetz (or equivalent) would do a bang-up business in food and fuel.
Next trip south will probably be around Christmas and it will probably be back to the old all-interstate route.
Bruce in Blacksburg
Here are some of the preliminary plans for improvements to the SR 10 Loop/Atlanta Highway interchange...
A discription of the improvements..
QuoteThis project consist of improvements to the SR 10 Loop/Atlanta Highway interchange in Athens. This project also includes widening Atlanta Highway (SR10/US 78) in the interchange vicinity for a total of 0.80 miles.
(https://c3.staticflickr.com/6/5761/30570757354_78f9857959_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Nzr86m)SR 10 Loop@SR 10/Jennings Mill Rd Realignment-Athens,GA (https://flic.kr/p/Nzr86m) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
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Quote from: afguy on December 03, 2016, 10:21:12 AM
Here are some of the preliminary plans for improvements to the SR 10 Loop/Atlanta Highway interchange...
A discription of the improvements..
QuoteThis project consist of improvements to the SR 10 Loop/Atlanta Highway interchange in Athens. This project also includes widening Atlanta Highway (SR10/US 78) in the interchange vicinity for a total of 0.80 miles.
(https://c3.staticflickr.com/6/5761/30570757354_78f9857959_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Nzr86m)SR 10 Loop@SR 10/Jennings Mill Rd Realignment-Athens,GA (https://flic.kr/p/Nzr86m) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://c7.staticflickr.com/6/5489/30570757534_3cff171f2d_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Nzr89s)SR 10 Loop@SR 10/Jennings Mill Rd Realignment-Athens,GA (https://flic.kr/p/Nzr89s) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
YAAAAASSSSSS!!!!! :bigass:
I fucking hate this interchange. If I want to turn from Atlanta highway westbound onto the "outer" Athens Perimeter (counterclockwise), there's a very short left-turn lane that backs up onto the overpass anytime the sun is up, creating an artificial bottleneck. It's not a very timely signal either; most of the time I have to wait at it for more than three minutes. Though more expensive, I prefer the plan to build a second loop ramp from Atlanta highway westbound to the outer Perimeter. That way, all traffic that wants to access the Perimeter in either direction stays to the right, and since the Huntington Road and Jennings Mill Road intersections immediately on both sides of the interchange don't have much left-turning traffic in either direction, the bottleneck would be eliminated.
I'm also hoping that work begins on reconfiguring the Oconee Street/Lexington Road interchange soon, so westbound Lexington Road traffic doesn't have three left turns in a quarter of a mile. The loop on-ramp to the outer Perimeter makes everything unnecessarily complicated, because most of the traffic accessing it comes from Lexington Road westbound, which involves a left-turn lane that's no more than 100' long because of the Barnett Shoals Road intersection. Even one 18-wheeler turning left onto the outer Perimeter on-ramp produces a backup of vehicles into that intersection, creating an artificial bottleneck. And if you're heading to downtown Athens or the inner Perimeter on-ramp, you'll have to get in the right lane past Winterville Road if you want to make time, because the left lane is often slammed with vehicles that want to access either Barnett Shoals Road or the outer Perimeter.
Reconfiguring the outer Perimeter on-ramp as a right turn for westbound Lexington Road traffic not only eliminates the bottleneck induced by all the left turns in a short distance, but it also eliminates the double-left turn from Barnett Shoals Road, replacing it with a straight shot. And since there's not much traffic from eastbound Lexington Road to the outer Perimeter, a left turn is acceptable for that movement.
Another movement I'd like to see reconfigured is from the outer Perimeter off-ramp to Barnett Shoals Road. As it is right now, traffic heading to Barnett Shoals Road from the outer Perimeter gets dumped onto Lexington Road eastbound for 100' (the same segment as the left-turn lane to the outer Perimeter from westbound Lexington Road), and is stuck waiting at the traffic signal if a vehicle in the right lane wants to go straight. My solution for this would be a non-stop traffic lane from the outer Perimeter off-ramp to Barnett Shoals Road that stays separate from Lexington Road eastbound and doesn't have to stop at the traffic signal. Take a look at the non-stop movement to Georgia Square Mall from the outer Perimeter off-ramp that stays separate from Atlanta Highway westbound as an example of what I have in mind.
After these problems are solved, GDOT can reconfigure the Athens Perimeter interchanges with GA 316 and U.S. 29. Athens has begun to outgrow its highway infrastructure.
I wish DeRenne was built as a limited access freeway to begin with. Savannah really needs better east-west connections...
QuoteThe five-phase development process was initiated in 2008. Right now, it's in phase three - preliminary design and environmental review. The project focuses on making improvements between I-516 and the Truman Parkway, by adding a bypass. Now, according to the city, construction bids would begin in 2021. Around that same time, nearly 80 homes and businesses would be bought out to redevelop the land they currently sit on.
"There are about 50 businesses that will have to cut back or leave. We're going to lose about 500 employees in the corridor because of the bypass," said Chris Blaine, Owner, Barnett Educational Supplies.
"For businesses, this project is going to be a big, big relief because traffic is going to basically move 20,000 cars away from DeRenne Avenue, moving to the bypass," said Michael Weiner, Traffic Engineering Director, City of Savannah.
http://www.wtoc.com/story/34002413/project-derenne-meeting-sparks-heated-debate
Quote from: afguy on December 07, 2016, 11:05:52 PM
I wish DeRenne was built as a limited access freeway to begin with. Savannah really needs better east-west connections...
QuoteThe five-phase development process was initiated in 2008. Right now, it's in phase three - preliminary design and environmental review. The project focuses on making improvements between I-516 and the Truman Parkway, by adding a bypass. Now, according to the city, construction bids would begin in 2021. Around that same time, nearly 80 homes and businesses would be bought out to redevelop the land they currently sit on.
"There are about 50 businesses that will have to cut back or leave. We're going to lose about 500 employees in the corridor because of the bypass," said Chris Blaine, Owner, Barnett Educational Supplies.
"For businesses, this project is going to be a big, big relief because traffic is going to basically move 20,000 cars away from DeRenne Avenue, moving to the bypass," said Michael Weiner, Traffic Engineering Director, City of Savannah.
http://www.wtoc.com/story/34002413/project-derenne-meeting-sparks-heated-debate
I lived in Savannah for 4 years and I-516 is easily the worst interstate I've ever driven. Not only is it confusing as fuck because all the Georgia DOT relinquishments forced a bunch of routes to cosign on its short length, peaking at five not counting SR 421, but it's narrow with sharp turns and can get congested on both ends since both sides end on local roads. And despite being an interstate all the way, the last half a mile on the east end is not built to freeway standards, featuring an at-grade intersection at Mildred Street, a right turn lane, and a designated School Zone. Driving south on Abercorn heading to DeRenne in rush hour was always a pain because drivers would left turn on DeRenne to access I-516 from Abercorn going north, and nobody gave a shit that they were blocking the intersection resulting in an unbreakable line of left-turning traffic.
Looking through the GDOT files, I see that the I-185/Buena Vista Road Interchange will be rebuilt as a DDI. I personally think this will be a good project for that interchange. The traffic there can be quite heavy during afternoon rush hour.
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QuoteThe project will reconstruct the interchange of I‐185 and Buena Vista Road by replacing the existing bridge. The existing bridge at the interchange will be replaced with a wider bridge and modified to a DDI. New improvements along Buena Vista Road will include 4 lanes with a raised median. Sidewalk (5' ‐ on the south side) and multi‐use path (10' ‐ on the north side) will also be constructed along Buena Vista Road at the approaches to the bridge over I‐185 and be provided in the center median area of the DDI. The proposed project will begin at the intersection of Buena Vista Road @ Steam Mill Road and end at the intersection of Buena Vista Road @ Rosewood Drive, a total of 1.04 miles.
The Gray bypass opened today (http://www.dot.ga.gov/PartnerSmart/Public/PressReleases/Gray%20Bypass%20in%20Jones%20County%20Opening%20Thursday;%20Six%20Months%20Early-12-14-16.pdf), six months ahead of the original schedule. It connects US 129/GA 11/GA 22 west of Gray to GA 22 east of Gray around the north side.
Also, an Atlanta TV station has posted a video of a ride along the I-75 South express lane project (http://www.11alive.com/news/commuter-dude-a-ride-on-metro-atlantas-newest-toll-lanes/369698432). From my drive through the project yesterday it looks like almost everything is done except perhaps some repaving on the main lanes and some ground-level signage; a crew was out putting reference markers on the new NaviGAtor camera poles. Nonetheless they're still claiming a "late January" opening date.
Work begins next month on the I-16/I-75 interchange rebuild...
http://www.macon.com/news/local/article121062928.html
Looking through the GDOT files, I found the concept report for the improvements to the I-20/US 221/SR 47 Interchange. GDOT will replace the existing bridge with a wider one that will support a future 4-lane expansion of US 221. The reasoning behind wanting the bridge this wide is because the county sees US 221 as the future SR 388 of Western Columbia County. Roundabouts will also be placed at the intersections of the I-20/US 221/SR 47 exit/entrance ramps. Lighting will also be placed at the roundabouts. According to the concept report the project will be let in June 2018.
(https://c8.staticflickr.com/1/331/30937749903_a418843b61_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/P8S4c6)I-20/U.S. 221/SR 47 Interchange Rebuild-Columbia County (https://flic.kr/p/P8S4c6) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
Concept report:https://gtas.dot.ga.gov/0011373/Concept%20Report/0011373_CR_TIA_AUG2016.pdf (https://gtas.dot.ga.gov/0011373/Concept%20Report/0011373_CR_TIA_AUG2016.pdf)
Hey, what's up with the overlap with GA 92 and 138 between Fairburn and Union City? They have that needless thing that ends at a former segment of GA 92 north of Fairburn that a lot of Wikipedia articles say is still part of Route 92. GDOT should either move the old GA 92 back or end GA 138 at the northeast end of the US 29/GA 92 multiplex.
:confused: :angry:
I was out and about today and took some photos of I-20 and I-285...
(https://c5.staticflickr.com/1/680/30929918524_2d9705f1a6_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/P8aVcj)Interstate 20 (https://flic.kr/p/P8aVcj) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://c7.staticflickr.com/1/600/31624435302_4c54189659_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QbxuQw)Interstate 285 (https://flic.kr/p/QbxuQw) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://c5.staticflickr.com/6/5500/30929919724_a86c069d06_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/P8aVy1)Interstate 285 (https://flic.kr/p/P8aVy1) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/696/30929919984_c91acfd5e9_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/P8aVCu)Interstate 285 (https://flic.kr/p/P8aVCu) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://c3.staticflickr.com/1/397/31624435842_9fa36e8f5b_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QbxuZQ)Interstate 285 (https://flic.kr/p/QbxuZQ) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://c7.staticflickr.com/1/590/30929920694_1876c65ff3_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/P8aVQJ)Interstate 285 (https://flic.kr/p/P8aVQJ) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5594/31655083041_5ef678e17a_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QefzkP)Interstate 20 (https://flic.kr/p/QefzkP) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://c5.staticflickr.com/1/606/30929921084_b8ea23c8a7_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/P8aVXs)Interstate 20 (https://flic.kr/p/P8aVXs) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://c5.staticflickr.com/1/647/30929921444_6e533de3f8_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/P8aW4E)Interstate 20 (https://flic.kr/p/P8aW4E) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://c3.staticflickr.com/1/463/30929921914_1ce5dbce80_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/P8aWcL)Interstate 20 (https://flic.kr/p/P8aWcL) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://c8.staticflickr.com/1/539/31771257975_5241a9e3cf_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Qpw16V)Interstate 20 (https://flic.kr/p/Qpw16V) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://c7.staticflickr.com/1/600/31624435302_4c54189659_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QbxuQw)Interstate 285 (https://flic.kr/p/QbxuQw) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://c5.staticflickr.com/6/5500/30929919724_a86c069d06_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/P8aVy1)Interstate 285 (https://flic.kr/p/P8aVy1) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
Some photos I took of the South Metro Express Toll Lane project.....
(https://c6.staticflickr.com/1/318/31676735701_cdd83994d7_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QgaxVx)Interstate 75 South (https://flic.kr/p/QgaxVx) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://c5.staticflickr.com/6/5532/31645680372_b4b9eb14f1_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QdqofQ)Interstate 75 South (https://flic.kr/p/QdqofQ) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://c8.staticflickr.com/1/531/31676736911_0be7eaed64_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Qgayhp)Interstate 75 South (https://flic.kr/p/Qgayhp) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://c4.staticflickr.com/1/307/31676737331_cdc3796afc_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QgaypD)Interstate 75 South (https://flic.kr/p/QgaypD) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://c3.staticflickr.com/1/673/31645681282_6299c5fb0e_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Qdqoww)Interstate 75 South (https://flic.kr/p/Qdqoww) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/667/30952252264_b330e50ce9_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Pa9oeN)Interstate 75 South (https://flic.kr/p/Pa9oeN) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://c6.staticflickr.com/1/502/31676738981_7051dd4666_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QgayU6)Interstate 75 South (https://flic.kr/p/QgayU6) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://c8.staticflickr.com/1/578/31676739271_2f699b9a82_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QgayZ6)Interstate 75 South (https://flic.kr/p/QgayZ6) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://c5.staticflickr.com/1/748/30952253924_83b2d1680e_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Pa9oJq)Interstate 75 South (https://flic.kr/p/Pa9oJq) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://c5.staticflickr.com/1/706/30952254484_449918b221_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Pa9oU5)Interstate 75 South (https://flic.kr/p/Pa9oU5) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/1/434/31676740081_a4fdefe67f_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Qgaze4)Interstate 75 South (https://flic.kr/p/Qgaze4) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://c4.staticflickr.com/1/660/31676740531_1a969b012b_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QgazmP)Interstate 75 South (https://flic.kr/p/QgazmP) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://c5.staticflickr.com/1/635/30952256204_7ec79c6e65_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Pa9ppJ)Interstate 75 South (https://flic.kr/p/Pa9ppJ) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://c4.staticflickr.com/1/557/31676741571_c19a961fdd_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QgazEK)Interstate 75 South (https://flic.kr/p/QgazEK) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://c7.staticflickr.com/1/710/30952257894_0ede3edc43_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Pa9pUS)Interstate 75 South (https://flic.kr/p/Pa9pUS) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://c5.staticflickr.com/1/306/30952258324_472eda4946_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Pa9q3h)Interstate 75 South (https://flic.kr/p/Pa9q3h) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://c3.staticflickr.com/6/5569/30952258554_d69353bb78_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Pa9q7f)Interstate 75 South (https://flic.kr/p/Pa9q7f) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
Thanks for the pics! Do you plan on taking pic of the toll lanes north of 285? IMO. The south toll lanes look like a rush job. They need to address the main lanes and interchanges as well. The S.R. 138 is one it has needed improvements since 2000.
Among others in that area. It's going to be like putting a band aid on a bullet wound...
Thanks! I do plan on taking photos of the Northwest Express Lanes soon. I want to see how the I-85 Express Lane extension is progressing as well.
Quote from: afguy on December 22, 2016, 11:26:12 AM
Thanks! I do plan on taking photos of the Northwest Express Lanes soon. I want to see how the I-85 Express Lane extension is progressing as well.
Thanks for the photos! I'm sure you'll have a field day with the Northwest Corridor. I'll tell you, though: the 85 project is really not photogenic.
Thanks for the heads up. I figured the I-85 project wont have any real progress until late 2017.
This project could easily tie into I-14 if it ever makes its way to Georgia.
QuoteThe more than $55 million project, referred to as the Sardis Church Road extension, would provide a route from the Sardis Church Road interchange at Interstate 75 over to Ga. 247.
The 6.3-mile route includes construction of five bridges, a four-lane divided east-west connector with a median, 4-foot bike lanes as well as 5-foot sidewalks on both sides of the roadway, according to an email from Kimberly Larson, a communications officer with the Georgia Department of Transportation.
The total bid amount was $55,441,198, and work began April 24, 2015. The completion date is estimated for May 31, 2019.
"C.W. Matthews anticipates placing asphalt on the extension sometime in March 2017, weather cooperating," she said.
Macon-Bibb Mayor Robert Reichert said he thinks the DOT conceived of the extension from I-75 "as another way to get traffic from I-75 to Robins Air Force Base without having to drive through the city of Warner Robins."
The project will not only bring about more efficient traffic patterns, he said, but will have a major impact on another mode of transportation.
"We were very enthusiastic about it because it would make Middle Georgia Regional Airport easily accessible to I-75," he said. "You don't have to know your way to try to get from the airport to I-75 or from I-75 to the airport."
Macon-Bibb County's plans to lengthen the runway at the airport would not be hampered by the Sardis Church Road extension. The 6,500-foot runway now ends on a hill above Avondale Mill Road, which is part of the road extension.
Reichert said it has been determined that if the runway is lengthened, there "is more than enough room to put in a tunnel (on Avondale Mill Road) and still have about 10 feet of fill on top of the tunnel to get up to the top of the runway."
The estimated cost of the tunnel and the runway extension is about $32 million.
The economic impact of the extension is expected to radiate outward even farther.
"It would have, in my opinion, an extraordinary impact on Middle Georgia as far as making us a transportation and logistics hub that would serve not only this Middle Georgia region but the entire state," he said.
Read more here: http://www.macon.com/news/business/article122740404.html#storylink=cpy
http://www.macon.com/news/business/article122740404.html
Status on the new Flat Shoals Pkwy/I-285 interchange...
http://www.ajc.com/news/local/actual-factual-dekalb-will-the-flat-shoals-285-roadwork-ever-end/TMLdxri8dfmTeBVfn1P08I/
Quote from: sparker on November 26, 2016, 03:55:03 PM
Since the GRIP number for the Fall Line is 540, it's interesting that Bruce cited that number -- have they actually signed the new section of the expressway as that number (and are they intending to extend such signage once the route is fully & functionally completed as an expressway)? If so, it'll join 515 & 520 in the "actually signed as such" GRIP family. It would be useful for the through-traffic purposes that the facility is intended to enhance if a single number would be applied from Macon to Augusta; 540 would certainly do!
No, it's not signed in the field as GA 540. The new section is now posted as a rerouting/extension of GA 243 between old GA 243 and GA 24; former GA 243 (Irwinton Road/Gordon Highway) has been decommissioned south of US 441 to the FLF and is now cosigned with US 441 Business as GA 29 Business north of US 441. So I guess either GDOT changed its mind on the GA 540 designation or it never really existed.
Speaking of odd designations in the vicinity, I also finally had the chance to drive the Gray Bypass... which is signed as "Gray Bypass" on a white-on-green sign about 50% bigger than the size of a 3-digit GA shield, complete with black-on-white directional banners (North/South). All of the state highways and US 129 remain on the old routing through Gray.
Quote from: lordsutch on January 05, 2017, 08:46:30 PM
Quote from: sparker on November 26, 2016, 03:55:03 PM
Since the GRIP number for the Fall Line is 540, it's interesting that Bruce cited that number -- have they actually signed the new section of the expressway as that number (and are they intending to extend such signage once the route is fully & functionally completed as an expressway)? If so, it'll join 515 & 520 in the "actually signed as such" GRIP family. It would be useful for the through-traffic purposes that the facility is intended to enhance if a single number would be applied from Macon to Augusta; 540 would certainly do!
No, it's not signed in the field as GA 540. The new section is now posted as a rerouting/extension of GA 243 between old GA 243 and GA 24; former GA 243 (Irwinton Road/Gordon Highway) has been decommissioned south of US 441 to the FLF and is now cosigned with US 441 Business as GA 29 Business north of US 441. So I guess either GDOT changed its mind on the GA 540 designation or it never really existed.
Speaking of odd designations in the vicinity, I also finally had the chance to drive the Gray Bypass... which is signed as "Gray Bypass" on a white-on-green sign about 50% bigger than the size of a 3-digit GA shield, complete with black-on-white directional banners (North/South). All of the state highways and US 129 remain on the old routing through Gray.
My guess would be that since both the east and west end of the corridor more or less segue into existing exurban arterials (US 1 in the Wrens-Augusta area and US 80 at the other end east of Macon), any singular through designation would be delayed until such time as more appropriate connections are made to through routes (Interstates or other expressways) in each area -- i.e., less "slog" through built-up commercial zones.
More likely it's because of the mileage cap on numbered state routes. That said, IMO it would've made more sense to call the new highway 540 and do away with most or all of 243.
For what it's worth, the number 540 never appeared on the official state map. (Mind you, that may not be worth much; it doesn't even show the 4xx numbers on the Interstates anymore.)
2013-14 (new road not on map at all, even proposed)
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2015-16 (open portion to US 441 with no number shown)
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2017-18 (all shown as 243, old 243 decommissioned, 112 truncated)
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Quote from: Tom958 on June 17, 2015, 09:56:31 AM
On an unrelated topic: The I-75-US 41/76 interchange on the north side of Dalton (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.7937422,-85.0012689,602m/data=!3m1!1e3) is getting a new southbound 75 to northbound 41 ramp in addition to an upgrade of the existing southbound to south/eastbound loop ramp. I can't tell in the field if there'll be one exit from 75 or two, and I'm too lazy to look up the project concept report.
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This is in adventurenumber's 'hood. Whatever happened to him? :hmmm:
My apologies, due to health issues I have been on a nearly 2 year hiatus from the forum and other online sites. But I'm back now! :thumbsup: :wave:
Interstate 75's Exit 336 construction in Dalton is seemingly pretty much completed. There is in fact two off-ramps on I-75 Southbound - a ramp that veers to the right for US 41 Northbound and US 76 Westbound (EXIT 336B), and a new loop ramp for US 41 Southbound and US 76 Eastbound (EXIT 336A). The new loop ramp is seemingly much safer than the old one, including the fact that it now has a jersey barrier for protection while turning. I-75's Exits 336 A-B look to be in pretty good shape after all of this construction. Here are some fresh pictures of mine from yesterday:
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All pictures are along Interstate 75 South.
Welcome back! :clap:
Unlike some other states, GDOT doesn't number exits on a CD road, or otherwise beyond the initial exit. Correction: didn't. Why would they start now? And here? That oversized exit sign with the posts on the freaking shoulders-- wow! And that last sign for Exit 336A must be designed to lure drunk drivers into crashing. Double wow.
Quote from: Tom958 on January 07, 2017, 05:14:22 PM
Unlike some other states, GDOT doesn't number exits on a CD road, or otherwise beyond the initial exit. Correction: didn't. Why would they start now? And here? That oversized exit sign with the posts on the freaking shoulders-- wow! And that last sign for Exit 336A must be designed to lure drunk drivers into crashing. Double wow.
Yes, I will say that is a little strange.
I also have
fairly fresh pictures (taken from my own youtube videos, but for some reason in the pictures the user interface is still showing (of youtube) even though I tried to crop it all out) of the newly finished construction on I-75's Exit 315 (GA SR 156; Redbud Road, Calhoun), which was greatly optimized.
Here they are:
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These are from both I-75 Southbound
and Northbound.
Also, I sincerely apologize if the titles of my videos appear as lazy or peculiar - the reason is that school has rendered me time only to upload my road videos, not work on making my up-to-my-standards, elaborate, quality descriptions or even titles, but by the summer it
will happen.
Lastly, I have fairly fresh pictures (taken from my own youtube videos, but for some reason in the pictures the user interface is still showing (of youtube) even though I tried to crop it all out) of Interstate 75's new Exit 310 (Union Grove Road), which was finished way long ago. It looks pretty nice.
Here are the pics:
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These are all from I-75 Southbound.
Also, I sincerely apologize if the titles of my videos appear as lazy or peculiar - the reason is that school has rendered me time only to upload my road videos, not work on making my up-to-my-standards, elaborate, quality descriptions or even titles, but by the summer it will happen.
For anyone who doesn't know, the Union Hill Road interchange will serve a new bypass for GA 53, which is now under construction. Come to think of it, it's odd that the signs on 75 aren't big enough for route shields.
Quote from: Tom958 on January 07, 2017, 08:54:21 PM
For anyone who doesn't know, the Union Hill Road interchange will serve a new bypass for GA 53, which is now under construction. Come to think of it, it's odd that the signs on 75 aren't big enough for route shields.
Yes, and that is why Union Grove Road through the new exit is multi-lane. I will agree it is odd that the BGSes weren't accommodated for route shields. That means the signs will probably have to be replaced once the new bypass is complete.
There is
much local opposition for the new bypass but I am
all for it. Probably the thing it will be most beneficial for is truck traffic. The carpet and flooring industry runs very strong in Calhoun (as well as in Dalton and elsewhere in north Georgia). The amount of trucks in the area undeniably warranted a new exit at Union Grove Road, and it also warrants a new southern Calhoun bypass. They may even make the new four-laned road even more lanes near the exit to accommodate industry, turn lanes, and future development (they may already have done so, but surprisingly I haven't been on the exit itself yet to know).
There is
also a
massive Lowe's Distribution Center near the GA SR 53/GA SR 140 intersection, which means a whole lot of truck traffic from that as well.
This new bypass idea does remind me of Dalton's South Bypass (US 41/GA 3), which was built in the 1990's, because that bypass also
heavily runs on industry and truck traffic (as well as the North Dalton Bypass (which is the same continuous road), but that section of the bypass has significantly more commuter and regular vehicular traffic).
This new bypass will also help through traffic traveling on GA SR 53 going east or west. Georgia Highway 53 through Calhoun is
very congested, and that alone warrants a new bypass for through traffic. It is a non-stop line of businesses and traffic from a little ways east of GA 53 SPUR to just east of I-75's Exit 312 (which also includes the Calhoun Premium Outlets).
I think this bypass is a wonderful idea.
The governor announced today that two of the mobility projects announced last year will be bumped up to 2018 for construction. The widening of I-85 between Hamilton Mill and SR 211 and the widening of I-16 between I-95 and I-516.
GDOT is currently conducting a study of Tara Blvd. One of the possible improvements could involve upgrading the highway to a freeway. Personally, it makes sense to me considering over 66,000 commuters use the highway everyday.
QuoteTara Boulevard, also defined as SR 3/ US 19/41, is a north-south route that connects motorists from as far south as Griffin, Ga to Atlanta, Ga. Tara Boulevard begins at the intersection with I-75, and continues south as a parallel route to I-75. This parallel proximity to the interstate provides some motorists with an alternative to commuting via the interstate. In 2014, the corridor experienced ADT volumes of approximately 66,000 vehicles. Tara Boulevard is also a truck route with 8% truck traffic. Additionally, the corridor is a bus route for the Metropolitan Atlanta Rapid Transit Authority (MARTA) and Georgia Regional Transportation Authority (GRTA) Xpress transit services. Motorists utilize Tara Boulevard to arrive at popular regional destinations such as Hartfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport and the Atlanta Motor Speedway.
The Department acknowledges the importance of Tara Boulevard to the airport, cities, and counties that are traversed by the corridor; therefore, an extensive evaluation of the corridor will be undertaken. The evaluation process will explore a range of feasible options focused on reducing congestion, improving operations, and enhancing connectivity along the corridor. Possible options for review include, but are not limited to: intersection improvements; a super arterial freeway concept with local access roads; and grade-separated interchanges.
http://www.dot.ga.gov/BuildSmart/Studies/Pages/StudyDetails.aspx?studyID=1
As someone who grew up in Henry County, I've long thought a freeway connection from Griffin to Atlanta would make sense, though I've usually envisioned it as a southward extension of I-675. The Tara Blvd corridor would be very intriguing, though - I'd imagine at least from SR 54 northward it would probably need to be a configuration similar to the freeway portion of SR 141. Freeway access to AMS would definitely be a plus - I know race weekends were a complete nightmare prior to the widening of SR 20 in the 2000s; I haven't been down there much since then, so I don't know how much the situation has improved.
I'd probably also four-lane SR 54 as part of this to improve access from Fayetteville.
Honestly I'm surprised GDOT is seriously considering an upgrade, although it's well overdue and - if extended to tie into I-75 at Forsyth - could function as a diversion route for when I-75's congestion in Henry County gets out of hand. South of Jonesboro the improvements could also be integrated with the proposed Clayton MARTA commuter rail extension via Griffin to Macon.
Hopefully it won't generate the shortsighted local response that upgrading the SR 20 corridor (aka the Northern Arc) did.
https://twitter.com/GADeptofTrans/status/824343665506222080
Is this for the entire Express lane system along I-75 south of Atlanta (including the connections with I-675)?
Yes. I'm curious to see if it will be worth it to the drivers? IMO. They should have made those lanes elevated after the 675 interchange up to 285. There is a 2 lane left hand lane merge from the toll lanes to 75 North within 5000 feet of space onto the crowded 3 lanes of 75. That will cause a lot of accidents during am rush hour. Its a band aid on a bullet wound
Fun fact: the freeway conversion of GA 141 was done as a demonstration project, whatever that means, and two other corridors were considered: Memorial Drive and... Tara Boulevard. I thought at the time that Tara Boulevard would've been the best choice because there was enough right-of-way to make it feasible while still making it something of a challenge.
Quote from: Tom958 on January 27, 2017, 08:06:19 PM
Fun fact: the freeway conversion of GA 141 was done as a demonstration project, whatever that means, and two other corridors were considered: Memorial Drive and... Tara Boulevard. I thought at the time that Tara Boulevard would've been the best choice because there was enough right-of-way to make it feasible while still making it something of a challenge.
Federal demonstration projects were essentially just earmarked projects.
I drove alone US 78 in northeastern Georgia from Washington to I-20, and they are making good progress expanding it to two lanes each way. Not the best pics, but you can see the new bridges. They had a 3 mile section of new roadway, where they had cut down large swaths of trees.
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Quote from: Eth on October 20, 2016, 09:55:14 PM
Quote from: Buck87 on October 19, 2016, 11:20:04 PM
http://www.newtoncitizen.com/news/local/gdot-to-hold-open-house-oct-for-proposed-i-/article_7b8d3822-24a4-543f-9d11-f09d4ef250ea.html
GDOT looking at the possibility of either a DDI or SPUI at exit 82 on I-20 in Conyers (at GA 138 & GA 20.) According to this article they had an open house for it back on October 11.
My sister lives less than a half mile from that interchange and has to deal with it everyday, and from what little experience I've had with it I've seen it's a pain in the ass, so I hope to see them go ahead with either option.
I used to live in Conyers and can confirm, it's a complete nightmare, particularly in conjunction with the nearby signal at Dogwood Dr. There's plenty of through traffic on GA 20/138 (particularly people south of I-20 accessing the WalMart shopping center), so I'd probably go with a SPUI as the better solution here.
The plans for both the SPUI and DDI options call for a roundabout at Dogwood and the Walmart/Home Depot access road that will have it's own separate ramp onto I-20 West. So any traffic from the shopping centers/Dogwood Dr that wants to head west on I-20 can do so without ever messing with 138.
Here are the plans...
SPUI: https://por.dot.ga.gov/projectInfo/731048-/PDF/DisplaySPUI.pdf
DDI: https://por.dot.ga.gov/projectInfo/731048-/PDF/DisplayDDI.pdf
The I-16/I-75 Interchange project will begin in the Spring.
http://www.macon.com/news/local/article130639749.html
Some photos of the I-75 reversible express lanes south of Atlanta, taken last Sunday afternoon. I took a great many more photos, but I'm too lazy to put them all on imgur. They're in a private Facebook group if you're interested.
Southbound on the general lanes since the reversible roadway is running northbound at 2pm. Hmm. Here we're passing under I-675 southbound with the ramp to 675 northbound beyond.
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Southbound entrance to the reversible roadway, with the lanes carefully delineated with distinctive striping. No rat racing here.
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Express lanes entrance, duh. Note the down arrow on the gore sign, like we're in France.
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The reversible roadway is adjacent to the southbound legacy roadway everywhere except here, at the bifurcation near Hudson Bridge-Eagles Landing. All of the signs for this exit southbound have a white line between the green and the yellow of the exit only tab. Weird. They were added as part of a project to add the two-dropped-lanes offramp you see here. Must be some horrendous afternoon backups here.
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A bit further along, just past Hudson Bridge-Eagles Landing. The median looks a bit ratty, and there's o landscaping as yet.
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On the way to the Locust Grove exit to turn around and take the reversible roadway back north, we spotted this stash of signs and decided to investigate. They're at a GDOT maintenance facility, next door to which is a privately owned sign fabricator. Forest Park is about twenty miles from here, but King George Boulevard is near Savannah.
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Heading back north. My companion is from Florida and is more used to toll-related VMS's that I am, but neither of us recall seeing a fraction displayed on a VMS.
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Or an arrow, either.
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This is the wye at the end of the reversible roadway. Merging would never occur here-- unless they ran 75 contraflow northbound for the mother of all hurricanes.
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I found the yellow paint markings a bit disconcerting, though they're unambiguously correct.
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The first segment of the reversible roadway, to a point well north of the GA 20-81 interchange, is only one lane. WTF?
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The reversible roadway widens to two lanes just south of the access points to and from the 75 mainline north of GA20-81.
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The access points. I'm a bit surprised that they weren't staggered somewhat to cut down on the required width.
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Direct access point to Jonesboro Road, in addition to the full interchange for general traffic. Note the traffic light-- I guess it's there to fake people into taking that turn slowly enough. I wonder how long it'll be before somebody jumpramps that sucker.
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Ramp terminal for the Jonesboro Road access point.
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Wooded bifurcation approaching Hudson Bridge-Eagles Landing. According to the project concept report, provision was made to allow for construction of a second express roadway at some future date. However, while the new roadway is adjacent to the southbound roadway everywhere else, it's on the northbound side here to protect the water quality of the stream that flows through that median. Wow. :spin:
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Thanks for the pics. I wish they would have redone the 75/S.R. 138 interchange. That area is a bottleneck because it reduces to 3 lanes in each direction. Not to mention its a left handed merge from the toll lanes to 75 north. People have a third of a mile to merge. That will cause accidents, bank on it...
The entrance from 75 southbound, where we were at the beginning of this series of photos. I haven't figured out the sekrit code that governs how they did those paint markings.
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We're taking the 675 leg, though I'm curious as to how the merge with 75 will work. It would've been a huge detour to check out both, and probably 675 was more interesting.
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Again, that yellow gore. No merge sign this time, though.
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45 mph? Gee, I dunno.
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About to enter 675 from the left. We're going uphill, and the taper is very short. Could be hairy with rush hour traffic.
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Those left handed merges are going to be dangerous. Thanks for the pics. I was in that area last Sunday. I wish they had done a complete overhaul 15 years ago instead of blatant neglect for the south side commuters. Many of them have to commute to Areas north of the perimeter. MARTA rail should have been made adjacent to the interstate, but conservative voters opposed it and still oppose it to this day. Oy
Quote from: Tomahawkin on February 03, 2017, 11:46:46 PM
Those left handed merges are going to be dangerous. Thanks for the pics. I was in that area last Sunday. I wish they had done a complete overhaul 15 years ago instead of blatant neglect for the south side commuters. Many of them have to commute to Areas north of the perimeter. MARTA rail should have been made adjacent to the interstate, but conservative voters opposed it and still oppose it to this day. Oy
I'd think that the northbound merge makes use of the fourth lane on 75 that's added just south of the bridge over 138, thereby giving the two express lanes one empty lane to dump into at the cost of doing away with the added lane for the northbound onramp from 138. But I don't know that, and I don't plan to investigate it anytime soon.
Quote from: Tom958 on February 04, 2017, 06:21:14 AM
I'd think that the northbound merge makes use of the fourth lane on 75 that's added just south of the bridge over 138, thereby giving the two express lanes one empty lane to dump into at the cost of doing away with the added lane for the northbound onramp from 138. But I don't know that, and I don't plan to investigate it anytime soon.
It does. I wish they'd also have extended the fourth southbound lane from 138 to the express lanes, but I guess they figured it would create weaving problems where non-toll traffic would obstruct access to the express lanes.
Gray Bypass intersection at US 129 north sees its third fatality in a week (http://www.13wmaz.com/mb/news/local/third-person-killed-in-a-week-at-gray-bypass-intersection/407836280). GDOT seems to have really messed up here, and I'm not sure retrofitting signals, which I'm sure is the plan, will help much - they really need to consider cutting off crossing traffic or a superstreet layout.
Quote from: lordsutch on February 13, 2017, 02:04:13 PM
Gray Bypass intersection at US 129 north sees its third fatality in a week (http://www.13wmaz.com/mb/news/local/third-person-killed-in-a-week-at-gray-bypass-intersection/407836280). GDOT seems to have really messed up here, and I'm not sure retrofitting signals, which I'm sure is the plan, will help much - they really need to consider cutting off crossing traffic or a superstreet layout.
Wow. What a disaster!
I think maybe some rumble strips would be in order. That said, with twenty twenty hindsight, they could've built only one roadway of the bypass initially and festooned it with four way stops.
Has it been mentioned here before? The Gray Bypass is unnumbered.
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Now we just need to figure out a way to build the HOT lanes through Atlanta; it certainly has the room, but I doubt it would improve the overall traffic flow by much. However, it would make a very nice start, to say the least.
Maybe from 75 north at the 17th street bridge NW to the Cobb cloverleaf could they build elevated toll lanes. I don't think toll lanes can be built on the connector. Is not feasible, IMO
yea, 75N from the Brookwood split could have the ROW , but there is no room on the connector itself for the additional lanes. if there were, GDOT would have wedged them in by now.
I think both sections of IH 20 OTP will be next to get elevated toll lanes. Both sides of IH 20 should have been widened 25 years ago. How that its only 3 lanes in each direction is beyond me...
There is a study on adding capacity to the 75/85 connector. My guess is GDOT will have to do something like the managed lanes on I-635 in Dallas, dug underneath the existing lanes. There's definitely the through traffic to justify an express 2x2 configuration from north to south, maybe with access to I-20 and one downtown exit each direction only.
Here are some sign diagrams I found for the I-16/I-75 Interchange modernization project in Macon. These signs will be placed on I-75 south of I-16.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2295/32915152635_91749bfb29_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/S9AL8D)Interstate 16/Interstate 75 Interchange Project (https://flic.kr/p/S9AL8D) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3788/32072562834_a3373ea7ab_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QS9gxh)Interstate 16/Interstate 75 Interchange Project (https://flic.kr/p/QS9gxh) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/282/32072562924_d8e527478b_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QS9gyQ)Interstate 16/Interstate 75 Interchange Project (https://flic.kr/p/QS9gyQ) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2562/32915152855_307c45b456_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/S9ALcr)Interstate 16/Interstate 75 Interchange Project (https://flic.kr/p/S9ALcr) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
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(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/608/32915152925_6af99e302c_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/S9ALdD)Interstate 16/Interstate 75 Interchange Project (https://flic.kr/p/S9ALdD) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
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Quote from: afguy on February 15, 2017, 08:23:18 AM
Here are some sign diagrams I found for the I-16/I-75 Interchange modernization project in Macon. These signs will be placed on I-75 south of I-16.
Somewhat interesting that some of the supplemental signs (2nd image) are still being set in Series D. Not dead yet, apparently!
I'm wondering about the one with the NEXT RIGHT legend and an exit only tab with no arrows.
Quote from: Tomahawkin on February 14, 2017, 06:58:46 PM
I think both sections of IH 20 OTP will be next to get elevated toll lanes. Both sides of IH 20 should have been widened 25 years ago. How that its only 3 lanes in each direction is beyond me...
yea, 20 would work, especially from a ROW perspective as you get closer to 285 on each side.
I'm not really one that knows much about sign fonts, so I have the following question...
What is it with lower case i's not being dotted on Georgia's big green signs? That's something I've noticed on my last several trips down here...and makes me want to joke that they should bring in the Ohio State marching band to do the job of dotting the i's...
Quote from: Buck87 on February 18, 2017, 08:19:21 AM
I'm not really one that knows much about sign fonts, so I have the following question...
What is it with lower case i's not being dotted on Georgia's big green signs? That's something I've noticed on my last several trips down here...and makes me want to joke that they should bring in the Ohio State marching band to do the job of dotting the i's...
Back in the day, before lowercase letters for FHWA Series A-D were added to the MUTCD, Georgia designed (or paid someone to design) its own custom lowercase characters for Series D; they also modified a few of the uppercase letters as well; notably the curve on uppercase "D" is more squared off than in real Series D, I guess to make it more distinct from "O". Part of this design was omitting the dots from the lowercase "i" and "j" characters, presumably because GDOT/the designer believed that at night the dot would blend into the stem due to reflective halation. At some point towards the end though they did add the dots back, before abandoning its use on most freeway guide signs in favor of FHWA a few years ago.
I think in-house some of the sign shops still haven't switched over from "Georgia D" but these days anything that goes to contract will use FHWA Series, usually Series E(M) on freeway BGSes although some supplemental signs are mixed-case Series D. I think the last GDOT freeway contract that used any form of series D for most guide signs was the most recent Truman Pkwy extension in Savannah, and even that was a bit of an outlier (they probably dusted off old plan sheets from the 1990s).
Last weekend I took a drive south from Athens via U.S. 129/U.S. 441, and then east through rural east Georgia via GA 16, and I noticed that GDOT has begun clearing trees in preparation for the construction of a four-lane bypass around Bishop, which is a small town in Oconee County just south of Watkinsville. The bypass will pass to the east of the town. Once this is complete, the process of four-laning U.S. 129/U.S. 441 between the Athens Perimeter (GA 10 Loop) and I-20 will be halfway done, with only 14 out of 28 miles left to be done.
Quote from: lordsutch on February 18, 2017, 04:56:26 PM
Quote from: Buck87 on February 18, 2017, 08:19:21 AM
I'm not really one that knows much about sign fonts, so I have the following question...
What is it with lower case i's not being dotted on Georgia's big green signs? That's something I've noticed on my last several trips down here...and makes me want to joke that they should bring in the Ohio State marching band to do the job of dotting the i's...
Back in the day, before lowercase letters for FHWA Series A-D were added to the MUTCD, Georgia designed (or paid someone to design) its own custom lowercase characters for Series D; they also modified a few of the uppercase letters as well; notably the curve on uppercase "D" is more squared off than in real Series D, I guess to make it more distinct from "O". Part of this design was omitting the dots from the lowercase "i" and "j" characters, presumably because GDOT/the designer believed that at night the dot would blend into the stem due to reflective halation. At some point towards the end though they did add the dots back, before abandoning its use on most freeway guide signs in favor of FHWA a few years ago.
I think in-house some of the sign shops still haven't switched over from "Georgia D" but these days anything that goes to contract will use FHWA Series, usually Series E(M) on freeway BGSes although some supplemental signs are mixed-case Series D. I think the last GDOT freeway contract that used any form of series D for most guide signs was the most recent Truman Pkwy extension in Savannah, and even that was a bit of an outlier (they probably dusted off old plan sheets from the 1990s).
Interesting, thanks.
Another question I have about Georgia is...what's with the "Keep Off Median" signs? Seems like a pretty self explanatory concept not needing to be expressed with signage, so what is it that prompted these signs to be put up?
Everytime I see one my reaction is a sarcastic "Well damnit, I was really wanting to drive on that grass"
I'm surprised SR 247 has been upgraded to a limited access highway...
QuoteAccording to Georgia Department of Transportation crash data, it's where you're more likely to be hurt or even die in an accident than any other road in Bibb County.
Lewis Merriano knows traffic on Pio Nono Avenue. He sells cars from a lot near the intersection of Guy Paine Road.
"You hear the brakes locking up, you hear 'Errrrrrrrrr,' then you hear horns beeping,"
Many times, that leads to wrecks near the lot.
Gregg Lewis works at Raffield Tire Master just down the road. In his forty years there, he says he's seen wreck after wreck.
"You see traffic accidents out here all the time out here," Lewis said. People get killed, trucks turning over, you see a ton of pretty bad things out here."
Highway 247 is more than 20 miles long, and spans most of Bibb County.
According to data from GDOT, more than 213 crashes with injuries happened along this track in 2016, more than any other road in the county. Four people even died on the road many travel every day.
"I'm not really surprised by that, because in my years of experience, Highway 247 is one of the major arteries in Bibb County, so there's a high volume of traffic all day," Captain Brad Wolfe said.
http://www.13wmaz.com/news/local/hwy-247-macons-most-dangerous-road/411200070
I think GDOT is hoping that the Sardis Church Road extension from I-75 to US 129/GA 247 will divert some of the traffic off it.
That said, from I-75 south to the creek it's a pretty substandard road and could do with some access management - businesses are just plopped down on the side of the road without even a curb or real driveway in places. There are plans to widen it to 6 lanes and to put in a roundabout at the odd-angled confluence of Broadway and Houston Avenue and SR 247; presumably a better design will be part of the widening.
Quote from: afguy on February 22, 2017, 11:50:10 AM
I'm surprised SR 247 has been upgraded to a limited access highway...
You must mean "hasn't," because it hasn't. Ironically, the article goes on to say that the most accident-prone section is between Houston Road and Rocky Creek, which is the area with the least development along it since it's in a floodplain. That section dates from 1943, presumably having been built to provide access to Robins AFB.
I'd photograph it if I had reason to go down there, but it's really not very photogenic.
EDIT:
Quote from: lordsutch on February 22, 2017, 05:21:34 PMThat said, from I-75 south to the creek it's a pretty substandard road and could do with some access management - businesses are just plopped down on the side of the road without even a curb or real driveway in places. There are plans to widen it to 6 lanes and to put in a roundabout at the odd-angled confluence of Broadway and Houston Avenue and SR 247; presumably a better design will be part of the widening.
Agreed on the access management and possibly the six lanes, but that'd be a terrible place for a roundabout.
Has anyone done the commute in rush hour on the new IH-75 toll lanes south of Atlanta? I was going to go down there today but reconsidered, knowing It was a race weekend. No way was I going to bleep with that traffic. Also I need opinions about it and the progress of the toll lanes on the 75N/575N Corridor? IMO 575 should be widened to 8-10 lanes in each direction. Make a plan that will hold traffic for 15+ years. 3 lanes on 575 will not do nothing, especially if there is an accident...
Looking through the pages of the 2040 long range transportation plan for Macon, some interesting things came up. GDOT is planning to add auxiliary lanes on I-75 between Arkwright Road and Bass Road. It also plans to add the lanes between Forsyth and Mercer University Dr by 2030. GDOT will also add auxiliary lanes to I-75 between Mercer University Drive and Pio Nono Ave by 2040.
http://mats2040.org/lrtp/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Table-5-2-Continued-MATS-2040-LRTP-Roads-and-Bridges-Projects-List-Approved-11-9-2016.jpg
Quote from: afguy on March 12, 2017, 10:57:03 AM
Looking through the pages of the 2040 long range transportation plan for Macon, some interesting things came up. GDOT is planning to add auxiliary lanes on I-75 between Arkwright Road and Bass Road. It also plans to add the lanes between Forsyth and Mercer University Dr by 2030. GDOT will also add auxiliary lanes to I-75 between Mercer University Drive and Pio Nono Ave by 2040.
http://mats2040.org/lrtp/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Table-5-2-Continued-MATS-2040-LRTP-Roads-and-Bridges-Projects-List-Approved-11-9-2016.jpg
I think Interstate 75 in Macon could use some auxiliary lanes. Slowly but surely they are shaping up I-75 through the Macon area.
Quote from: Tomahawkin on March 06, 2017, 12:17:31 AM
Has anyone done the commute in rush hour on the new IH-75 toll lanes south of Atlanta? I was going to go down there today but reconsidered, knowing It was a race weekend. No way was I going to bleep with that traffic. Also I need opinions about it and the progress of the toll lanes on the 75N/575N Corridor? IMO 575 should be widened to 8-10 lanes in each direction. Make a plan that will hold traffic for 15+ years. 3 lanes on 575 will not do nothing, especially if there is an accident...
Frankly, I am mindblown that Interstate 575 is even
2 lanes each way for such a long distance. And as for the part that is 3 lanes each way, I echo your opinion that even that is not enough. My personal preference for the I-575 corridor is that
both reversible express toll lanes be built,
and the main lanes be widened as well - I carry that same opinion over to the nearby I-75 corridor as well. I think that combination would be very nice for the transportation on those roads.
Quote from: Tom958
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Those new reversible express toll lanes on I-75 south of Atlanta turned out to be quite interesting, and that striping is certainly intriguing. :hmmm:
This project proposes to redesign the interchange of I-85 at SR 138/Jonesboro Road, as well as to make improvements along SR 138/Jonesboro Road from Goodson Connector to Buffington Road. The proposed alternative includes a Diverging Diamond Interchange (DDI), with lengthened entrance/exit ramps on I-85, as well as the addition of a shared through and right-tum lane, pedestrian and bicycle facilities, signal upgrades, and landscaping.
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http://www.dot.ga.gov/PS/Public/PublicOutreach
Quote from: afguy on March 14, 2017, 04:22:03 PM
This project proposes to redesign the interchange of I-85 at SR 138/Jonesboro Road, as well as to make improvements along SR 138/Jonesboro Road from Goodson Connector to Buffington Road. The proposed alternative includes a Diverging Diamond Interchange (DDI), with lengthened entrance/exit ramps on I-85, as well as the addition of a shared through and right-tum lane, pedestrian and bicycle facilities, signal upgrades, and landscaping.
And, two novel features:
First, the bridge will be replaced. This is the first DDI in Georgia that hasn't used the existing bridge, even if said bridge is quite elderly.
Second, the low-speed S-curves that are inherent to the DDI concept will be exploited to allow the new bridge to be offset from the current alignment. This will allow near-completion of the new bridge while the existing bridge remains fully operational. I hadn't noticed because it's not my part of town, but I'm told that the reconstruction of the I-285-Flat Shoals Road interchange is into its third year with much more work to be done, largely due to the difficulty of replacing a major arterial bridge under traffic.
Phase I could start soon and wrap up by 2021...
http://www.13wmaz.com/news/local/gdot-soon-starting-construction-on-i-75-i-16/424036427
GDOT is planning to spend $730 million in Gwinnett County in the coming years to combat rising congestion there. Projects include widening 85 and 985, new interchanges at Sprout Springs Road and McGinnis Ferry Road at 85 and converting 316 to a freeway to Harbin Road.
QuoteThe projects that are either already underway or in the planning stages in Gwinnett are designed to ease some of the traffic backups in the area. McMurry said the metro Atlanta area has the dubious distinction of being ranked on three lists for the worst metro area congestion.
One list said the area was the fourth most congested city in America, and another pegged it as being in the top 10 worst congested areas in the world, he said.
"That's not exactly where we want to be," McMurry said. "Those are not the Top 10 lists we want to be in."
The state is currently extending the high occupancy toll lanes in Gwinnett, but future plans also call for widening Interstates 85 and 985 to six lanes each in northern Gwinnett, a continuous flow interchange conversion at Highways 78 and 124 in Snellville, new interchanges in I-85 at McGinnis Ferry Road and Gravel Springs Road and additional limited access interchanges conversions on state Highway 316 east of Highway 20.
McMurry said the $178 million, 10-mile HOT lane extension is expected to be finished next year, and funding for the Gravel Springs interchange is expected to be available in the fiscal year 2019 budget with Gwinnett transportation officials leading the way on design and right of way.
"(The Gravel Springs) project is underway now and we're getting pretty close to being out of right of way," McMurry said.
Meanwhile, the McGinnis Ferry Road interchange is still in the concept design stages, and work isn't expected to begin until 2022. The county and the state are expected to partner on that project as well.
Meanwhile, the state is expected to receive bids this summer on the I-85 widening. McMurry said it will add a third lane in each direction between Hamilton Mill Road and the Chateau Elan area up at Highway 211. The state has plans to eventually widen the interstate to six lanes all the way out to Jefferson.
McMurry said the state expects the widened highway will help ease traffic headaches in the area.
"What we see when we do a traffic forecast out to the year 2030 is a 56 percent reduction in traffic delays," he said. "So as you're stopping and going and you're congested now, when those lanes are built, congestion will basically be reduced by half. That's quite an improvement."
Similarly, the $85 million I-985 widening will take that corridor to six lanes up into Hall County, with funding expected to be available four years from now.
http://www.gwinnettdailypost.com/local/gdot-spending-more-than-million-in-gwinnett-in-coming-years/article_f3a7d01a-34e8-510d-b96c-8b08e0519e44.html
QuoteA second U.S. 280 bridge will be built across Lake Blackshear, one of several construction contracts awarded by the Georgia Department of Transportation this month that will benefit southwest counties.
Other local projects of interest will resurface approximately 75 miles of roads and replace two off-system aging bridges, one that closed last year due to its poor condition.
The Lake Blackshear bridge will be built to the south of the existing bridge. The project was awarded to Scott Bridge Co. Inc. of Opelika, Ala. and has a completion date of May 2019. This is a Transportation Investment Act (TIA) funded project. It is expected to mitigate congestion, facilitate the flow of freight and connect the Cordele Intermodal Center to cities west, which could spur economic development, according to the TIA project page.
Though the construction cost is $19.2 million, the total cost of the project including preliminary engineering, construction and right of way acquisition is approximately $30 million. Georgia DOT's west central district will supervise construction. The project is on the line between Crisp County in the southwest district and Sumter County in the west central district.
- See more at: http://valdostatoday.com/2017/03/lake-blackshear-bridge-construction-contract-awarded/#sthash.CnGxD0pT.dpuf
http://valdostatoday.com/2017/03/lake-blackshear-bridge-construction-contract-awarded/
Any word on when the 75/575 toll lanes will be done? I drove to Woodstock today and there is a crap load left to do if they want a 2018 completion. Once baseball starts they can't have roadwork during game nights in Cobb County. I wonder if they ever considered that. That area by SunTrust park is a mess both 75 north and 285 reduce to 3 lanes in one direction. In which there should be 6+ lanes in each direction because of the truck traffic. If there is a crash with an 18 wheeler involved. That whole area will be a mess. Crashes are a common occurrence up there due to the at grade cloverleaf ramps
Quote"We heard a noise and looked out the window and saw that there was a wreck," says Pitts. He works across the street and says something needs to be done to make the intersection safer.
"People are usually speeding when they're coming down from 7 bridges and then when they get up here they're going too fast to get off at Broadway or stop for the red light," says Pitts.
GDOT proposed seven different options on how to address traffic concerns in the area.
Northbound flyover, remove signal
Northbound flyover, retain signal and realign broadway
Three-leg roundabout
Four-leg rounabout (includes Houston Ave)
Retain signal and realign Broadway
Convert signal to Green-T and realign Broadway
Broadway westbound flyover, remove signal
After looking into all seven options, the DOT says a three-leg roundabout and realigned signal were deemed to be the two best options. However, the presentation says the three-leg roundabout addresses safety concerns and high speeds whereas the signal does not.
http://www.13wmaz.com/news/traffic/gdot-proposes-macon-roundabout-on-highway-247/430980252
Another week, another multi-lane roundabout being proposed. It's almost like they're trolling AARoads at GDOT.
http://www.macon.com/news/local/article145325989.html
Pretty confident the roundabout won't kill 3 people in its first five days.
Gee, I dunno. To me it appears that there'll be very little traffic on the one-lane section of the roundabout because most people who want to go from Pio Nono (the northwest leg) to Broadway (the northeast leg) will take Guy Paine Road (which runs east-west to the north) and bypass the roundabout entirely. If that happens, unmoderated traffic flows from northbound 247 will likely block traffic trying to enter the roundabout from Broadway, leading to backups and possibly to aggressive driving.resulting in crashes.
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Quote from: Tom958 on April 19, 2017, 10:18:47 PM
Gee, I dunno. To me it appears that there'll be very little traffic on the one-lane section of the roundabout because most people who want to go from Pio Nono (the northwest leg) to Broadway (the northeast leg) will take Guy Paine Road (which runs east-west to the north) and bypass the roundabout entirely. If that happens, unmoderated traffic flows from northbound 247 will likely block traffic trying to enter the roundabout from Broadway, leading to backups and possibly to aggressive driving.resulting in crashes.
Looking at the traffic counts at the GDOT website, the traffic split is only about 2.5 to 1; since most of the Houston Avenue traffic will probably shift to Broadway the net will be closer to 2.2:1. Even in the PM rush you're not going to get an uninterrupted flow northbound - there's also a signal at Allen Road a couple of miles to the south that should platoon northbound 247 traffic somewhat.
My major concern driving around these parts is that drivers don't seem to be getting the message that they need to look for circulating traffic and yield on entry. More liberal use of rumble strips on approach or optical lane narrowing to slow traffic would probably help in this regard.
Hopefully by the time this roundabout is built (it's not in the TIP yet that I'm aware of, so I'm guessing several years minimum) drivers will be more familiar with them due to the others coming on line in Macon in the next few years - US 23 at Bass Road/Arkwright Road and US 80 at Fulton Mill should be done by the time they start turning dirt here.
They fixed it, presumably when they added SunTrust Park to the sign. I am agog.
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Previously:
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Quote from: lordsutch on April 19, 2017, 04:26:12 PM
Another week, another multi-lane roundabout being proposed. It's almost like they're trolling AARoads at GDOT.
http://www.macon.com/news/local/article145325989.html
Pretty confident the roundabout won't kill 3 people in its first five days.
Here's a rough diagram of the proposed change from a presentation GDOT made last week: https://twitter.com/RaymondTubbWGXA/status/854441659630845952
GDOT should have built the Outer Perimeter when they had the chance...
Quoteot waiting for some traffic study to plot out potential routes, a residents group is pushing ahead with a look of its own at a potential roadway crossing North Hall.
"A lot of these studies don't go out and interview people," said Wayne Stradley, one of the group's members. "They don't drive out to see what (a potential route) looks like."
He added: "We can't stop growth in this county, but we at least should have some control of it."
The group will serve as a subcommittee of the larger Citizens Advisory Committee in the Gainesville-Hall Metropolitan Planning Organization, the Hall area's main transportation planning agency.
The advisory committee gave its OK Thursday for the subcommittee to explore the possibility of what's been dubbed the North Hall Parkway.
"Hopefully, we're going to come up with some good, common-sense ideas," Stradley said.
"These (studies) were done by people who don't live here, who don't know what's important to people here," said Renee Gerrell, another subcommittee member. "Our goal ... is to try to come up with a plan that will be amenable to most people and have a higher likelihood of support and success."
A project known as the Northern Connector came up as a concept 7 ½ years ago – and was quickly shot down.
http://www.gainesvilletimes.com/section/6/article/123210/
Further up in this thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=204.875), there was some discussion of GDOT's recent change from TransPI to GeoPI as the front end for access to its online archive of construction plans sets. At the time I observed that GeoPI was essentially a mapping application that had no facility for users to search for construction plans sets by project identifier ("PI number" being the GDOT house term) or by sheet category (e.g. plan sheet group 26 for signing and marking plans, plan sheet group 27 for signal plans). However, this search functionality is now part of the general website search, which can be narrowed down to construction plans only.
Last November I wrote a script to try to elicit a complete list of signing plan sheets through the website search, but had to give up. Later pages of results are called using the HTTP POST method with postdata in JSON format and XMLHttpRequest in the headers (a fairly typical Ajax setup), and I was getting either HTTP 500 or HTTP 403 errors because my postdata was not matching what my browser was supplying to the server and I could not find the errors in my postdata confection routines. Two days ago I returned to the project with a fresh mind and had better results.
In what follows I propose to discuss how retrieval of new signing plans has changed between TransPI and GeoPI.
Under TransPI, which did not offer direct search of plan sheets, the logical way to begin a search for signing was to obtain a complete listing of all the projects under a given category (a category had to be selected because the search engine did not permit empty searches). The categories available included "Complete" (basically as-builts), "Under Construction" (current projects, including some recently completed ones), and some others. There were about 7500 projects in "Under Construction" and over 55,000 in "Complete." Some of the 7500 projects in "Under Construction" did not have any plans sheets and in fact were not construction projects at all, since GDOT uses the PI numbering system for non-construction-related expenditure activities like transit grants, research programs, project planning, etc. TransPI project search was buggy and would sometimes re-load the same page of results instead of moving on to the next one: this happened with both the browser and the script, and I eventually had to write code to detect and reject re-loads.
Then, once a complete project listing had been obtained, each project number had to be checked for plans. It was possible to eliminate some of the non-construction-related PIs by string selection on the PI numbers themselves, and projects for which plans had previously been found could be blocked out, but this still left several thousand projects to check each run, of which only a few dozen typically had new plans. Each PI for which new plans was found then had to be checked for non-empty sheet groups 26 and 27 (i.e., signing and signals sheets).
The bottom line is that obtaining a complete listing of search results just for the "Under Construction" category could take 1 hour 20 minutes, and then going through each of the PIs individually could take a further 2 hours 30 minutes (or even longer) before download of plan sheets could launch. I attempted "Complete" just once: that run took close to 24 hours. I didn't feel comfortable trying it again, and simply accepted the risk of missing projects that graduated from "Under Construction" to "Complete" before being seen by the script.
With website search as the current complement to GeoPI, however, search takes longer but is more direct and yields cleaner results without any duplicates or page reloads. It is now possible to search by sheet group across all projects, though the categorization of "Under Construction" and "Complete" seems to have been abandoned. For sheet group 26 (I have given up on 27 because mast arm signs are boring), there are currently 87,315 sheets out of a total plans sheet count a bit north of 1.5 million. Loading a complete list of all 87,315 sheets 20 sheets at a time entailed about 4400 page loads over the course of 2 hours 35 minutes. (20 sheets per page is the default; one possible later experiment is to see if the server will accept row counts of 100 or even 500.) Then loading complete sheet lists for all of the projects found with new signing took a further 1 hour 10 minutes. Easy!
The net result is that while total runtime has decreased only modestly (five minutes at most), the search function itself is much more robust and the risk of missing early graduates from "Under Construction" to "Complete" has disappeared.
QuoteOne phase of the project – expanding Jeffersonville from two to four lanes, with a continuous left-turn lane from Walnut Creek to Recreation Road – had its budget adjusted from $4.5 million to $9.3 million.
The project also includes widening Millerfield Road by two to five lanes from Jeffersonville to Bristol Drive. And the new construction estimate for expanding Jeffersonville from Emery Highway to Walnut Creek Bridge went from $1.9 million to $4.3 million. The Walnut Creek Bridge project's cost was reduced from about $2 million to $1.76 million.
The changing costs are "a combination of an old estimate and changes that have occurred in the project over the course of the designs," Macon-Bibb County Engineer David Fortson said.
The major interstate interchange project is also high on the list, with the first major portion costing about $77 million as part of Interstate 16 that will be widened from four to six lanes.
Other major road work would be construction of a $6 million overpass and tunnel around Sardis Church Road as part of a proposed Middle Georgia Regional Airport runway extension.
http://www.macon.com/news/local/article148339359.html
The full LRTP for Macon can be found here: http://mats2040.org/lrtp/
Also of note it includes the widening of Bass Road in northwest Macon from Zebulon Road to the future roundabout on US 23, including the interchange at I-75. The Sardis Church Road/Sgoda Road extension from US 129/GA 247 east to I-16 is also in the plans (albeit for 2040), which would provide a viable route for finishing the Fall Line Freeway corridor around Macon.
Some photos I took today of the C.W. Grant Parkway grade separation project in Clayton County
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I sure wish they'd bury those utility lines. That is a huge pet peeve of mine.
Two things: First, in my regular travels between Lawrenceville and Carrollton I noticed that barrels have been placed in the median of I-20 westward from where the six lane section currently ends at GA 61. I assumed that Georgia was extending their six lanes to meet Alabama's, but... I've since learned that they'll be removing and replacing the existing concrete pavement, and that all traffic will be shifted onto one roadway. Expect horrendous backup starting soon, since first two the crossovers were nearly complete last weekend,
http://www.dot.ga.gov/applications/geopi/Pages/Dashboard.aspx?ProjectID=M003308
Second, next month's letting will include the long-awaited CFI reconstruction of the US 78-GA 124 intersection in Snellville. However, the bid notice mentions a bridge over US 78 that I can't find any mention of online. WTF?
QuoteReplacement of the northbound bridge on Thompson Bridge Road/Ga. 60 over the Chattahoochee River in North Hall is one of several road projects that may be added to the Hall County area's transportation plans.
Another significant project is an early engineering look at the widening of Interstate 985 in South Hall.
Area roads officials are going through a public review period as they consider adding the projects to Hall's 20-year to 25-year regional transportation plan.
But they're also looking at including them in the county's plan for projects over the next four years.
Preliminary engineering is scheduled in 2020 on the new Ga. 60 bridge, with construction possibly taking place in 2024. Total project costs are estimated at $12.8 million.
The current bridge over the Chattahoochee River was built in 1956, or about the same time other bridges spanning Lake Lanier were built – and that are now being replaced by the Georgia Department of Transportation.
The southbound bridge was built in 1992 and "is not in need of replacement at this time," said Quinton L. Spann of the DOT's Office of Planning.
http://www.gainesvilletimes.com/section/6/article/123958/preview/
Driving I-85 north out of Atlanta last weekend, I noticed that they've finally started serious work in adding lanes. There is active construction out to mile marker 120, and preliminary tree removal out to mile marker 140. I'm told that GADOT's goal is to have both I-75 and I-85 be at least 3 lanes on both sides all the way through the state-- and finally I-85 is going to be more than two lanes per side past the Mall of Georgia.
Looks like the DDI at Wade Green an IH 75 is set to begin. I'm baffled as to why 75 in its current state is only 6 lanes total north of 575? I see how the traffic jams start there at noon. Adding 1 toll lane isnt going to cut it with all the LTL traffic that goes through there....
Quote from: Tomahawkin on June 16, 2017, 09:30:24 PM
Looks like the DDI at Wade Green an IH 75 is set to begin. I'm baffled as to why 75 in its current state is only 6 lanes total north of 575? I see how the traffic jams start there at noon. Adding 1 toll lane isnt going to cut it with all the LTL traffic that goes through there....
Yep, I-75 north of the split with I-575 desperately needs a 4th lane on both sides for 15-20 miles north of there or so, and I-575 needs a 3rd lane on each side to Canton-- something that will now be more difficult to do because of the toll lanes. :banghead:
Co-Sign on that post. There is continued Sprawl there and has been since the Olympics. Everyone relocates to that area from the northeast. IMO. 75 should be 8 lanes overall because of all the Truck traffic to Savannah and Florida. Also there should be a toll south of the Tennessee state line for all the snowbirds. The money collected could fund future interstate and infrastructure projects
Quote from: Finrod on June 12, 2017, 02:36:31 PM
Driving I-85 north out of Atlanta last weekend, I noticed that they've finally started serious work in adding lanes. There is active construction out to mile marker 120, and preliminary tree removal out to mile marker 140. I'm told that GADOT's goal is to have both I-75 and I-85 be at least 3 lanes on both sides all the way through the state-- and finally I-85 is going to be more than two lanes per side past the Mall of Georgia.
I thought work had already started to expand 85 to the South Carolina line. I do believe it was going to be inevitable as Atlanta continues to sprawl out.
QuoteThe money is part of $23.6 million in grants and loans from the Georgia Transportation Infrastructure Bank. Bryan County received the maximum amount allowable under the program.
"This is as close as we've ever been to getting this project done," said County Commissioners Chairman Carter Infinger.
The new interchange has been discussed going as far back as 2008. The county recently agreed to an extension with Terra Pointe, the real estate arm of Rayonier, to secure land needed for the project.
Infinger said bids on the interchange could be sought as soon as this fall.
"We've been having monthly meetings with GDOT for the past year just to make sure everything is still on track," he said.
The project involves the federal and state governments, as well as the county and the city of Richmond Hill. Overall cost is projected between $16 million and $18 million.
http://www.bryancountynews.com/section/101/article/49567/
Quote from: golden eagle on June 18, 2017, 01:35:34 PM
Quote from: Finrod on June 12, 2017, 02:36:31 PM
Driving I-85 north out of Atlanta last weekend, I noticed that they've finally started serious work in adding lanes. There is active construction out to mile marker 120, and preliminary tree removal out to mile marker 140. I'm told that GADOT's goal is to have both I-75 and I-85 be at least 3 lanes on both sides all the way through the state-- and finally I-85 is going to be more than two lanes per side past the Mall of Georgia.
I thought work had already started to expand 85 to the South Carolina line. I do believe it was going to be inevitable as Atlanta continues to sprawl out.
These upgrades are pretty much needed, especially since I-85 is the main route between the Southeast's two largest cities (and fierce rivals), Atlanta and Charlotte.
Not to Mention, Atlanta is "New York South". Its crazy how many people live out here that are from the Northeast. They used that route 3-5 times a year, IMO
I used to joke that there's no such thing as an Atlanta native. I've lived here for 20 years and I can count the natives I know on one hand.
Thank God I-85 is being widened. Unfortunately, the segment I use the most (Commerce to the South Carolina state line) is getting widened last. Still, traffic on I-85 southbound from Commerce to Buford during the peak annual travel periods is bad enough that traffic often has to come from 60 MPH to a dead stop, which is incredibly dangerous.
On a related note, I-85 in South Carolina needs to be six lanes from the Georgia state line to Easley, eight lanes from Easley to Gaffney, and six lanes from Gaffney to the North Carolina state line.
Quote from: Tomahawkin on June 26, 2017, 01:42:08 PM
Not to Mention, Atlanta is "New York South". Its crazy how many people live out here that are from the Northeast. They used that route 3-5 times a year, IMO
Funny, but I swore there have been people saying the same thing about the Tampa-St. Pete area. I vaguely remember a survey from several years ago (give or take a few years) claiming that one out of every 6 people in Spring Hill, Florida alone is from Long Island.
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Since when does I-75 go to Birmingham? Or better question why does a place along I-20, that is not in the same direction as I-75's northern heading get a mention here?
"Funny, but I swore there have been people saying the same thing about the Tampa-St. Pete area. I vaguely remember a survey from several years ago (give or take a few years) claiming that one out of every 6 people in Spring Hill, Florida alone is from Long Island."
Most of South of Tampa and Daytona Bch. Can be considered New York or better yet New England South. Same scenario in Atlanta. I found out long ago retiree's buy property in the south and commute back and fourth depending on if its summer or winter...
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Quote from: Tomahawkin on June 28, 2017, 08:50:58 AM
"Funny, but I swore there have been people saying the same thing about the Tampa-St. Pete area. I vaguely remember a survey from several years ago (give or take a few years) claiming that one out of every 6 people in Spring Hill, Florida alone is from Long Island."
Most of South of Tampa and Daytona Bch. Can be considered New York or better yet New England South. Same scenario in Atlanta. I found out long ago retiree's buy property in the south and commute back and fourth depending on if its summer or winter...
My son will attest to that. He moved to the Tampa area two years ago with his fiancée, who is doing her medical residency in Tampa. He is a pharmacist with CVS and quickly came to detest the snowbirds he has to deal with, who leave home without getting prescriptions refilled (or renewed) yet demand he fix their problems. In the short time the two of them have been there, they have embraced the Florida life; we expect they won't be moving back to Virginia when her residency is done. He bought a house (house payments cheaper than rent) and a boat and they are now dedicated Gulf fishermen. We like to visit but don't expect to become snowbirds ourselves.
Bruce in Blacksburg
Renderings of the new I-20 bridges across the Augusta Canal and Savannah River..
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(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4081/34760694564_22e22f7244_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/UXFDs5)I-20@Savannah River (https://flic.kr/p/UXFDs5) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
A new interchange is being planned for I-185 and Old Cusseta Road in Columbus. It's part of a project to widen Old Cusseta and Cusseta Roads in South Columbus. Currently 5 alternatives are being studied with a groundbreaking planned for 2020.
ALTERNATIVE 1
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ALTERNATIVE 2
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4387/36096628164_a64a67e4dc_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WZJDY1)Interstate 185/Old Cusseta Rd Interchange-Alternative 2 (https://flic.kr/p/WZJDY1) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
ALTERNATIVE 3
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4413/36534470940_94f11cdefb_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XEqHno)Interstate 185/Old Cusseta Rd Interchange-Alternative 3 (https://flic.kr/p/XEqHno) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
ALTERNATIVE 4
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4364/36096620434_2f69bcac63_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WZJBEJ)Interstate 185/Old Cusseta Rd Interchange-Alternative 4 (https://flic.kr/p/WZJBEJ) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
ALTERNATIVE 5
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4353/36930797425_ec6857e6c5_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/YgrZqD)Interstate 185/Old Cusseta Rd Interchange-Alternative 5 (https://flic.kr/p/YgrZqD) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
http://www.dot.ga.gov/applications/geopi/Pages/Dashboard.aspx?ProjectID=0011434
I drove the Jimmy DeLoach Connector yesterday. It's signed as SR 21 Alt., as are the connections to/from SR 21 via SR 307 and Sonny Dixon Interchange.
Quote from: NE2 on September 22, 2017, 06:07:06 PM
I drove the Jimmy DeLoach Connector yesterday. It's signed as SR 21 Alt., as are the connections to/from SR 21 via SR 307 and Sonny Dixon Interchange.
You are lucky to have done so, as that new road sure looks beautiful!!! :thumbsup: :hyper:
It's very interesting that it is signed as GA 21 ALT. I had no idea that they were going to do that.
If anyone happens to get photos and videos of this thing, please do share!! :nod:
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on September 22, 2017, 06:45:25 PM
Quote from: NE2 on September 22, 2017, 06:07:06 PM
I drove the Jimmy DeLoach Connector yesterday. It's signed as SR 21 Alt., as are the connections to/from SR 21 via SR 307 and Sonny Dixon Interchange.
You are lucky to have done so, as that new road sure looks beautiful!!! :thumbsup: :hyper:
It's very interesting that it is signed as GA 21 ALT. I had no idea that they were going to do that.
If anyone happens to get photos and videos of this thing, please do share!! :nod:
I drove it last summer just a couple months after it opened (no photos, alas). There didn't seem to be any indication at the time that it would receive a route number. Couple more miles I can add to my Travel Mapping log, I guess.
Drove from Atlanta to IH 10 yesterday. I was impressed that they rebuilt almost all of the interchanges from Macon to Florida. Macon to Locust Grove is still hell and needs to be 10 lanes overall to accommodate race traffic/summer traffic/ hurricane traffic and the expanding warehouse companies that are relocating to that area. A rail line from Atlanta to Macon is a pipe dream, therefore that corridor needs to be addressed. Its better to be proactive than reactive. I don't think the truck lanes will do any benefit to all the snowbird traffic on 75. IMO
2018 rand mcn shows this as well on the savannah inset
I drove the fall line expwy from Wrens to Macon today.
The part leaving west from GA 24 is signed as GA 243. GA 112 north was truncated to this road as well
Segment west of Wrens is now 65 throughout but the new sections east of US 441 are all 55. There is still an unfinished section on new terrain a couple miles west of Sandersville.
Anyone know what number was given to the new Cleveland bypass?
Quote from: NE2 on September 24, 2017, 07:50:13 PM
Anyone know what number was given to the new Cleveland bypass?
GDOT design plans (http://mydocs.dot.ga.gov/info/designplans02/DesignPlansLibrary/162390_0000432_CSTR.PDF) suggest it (is? will be?) signed as US 129/GA 11 Bypass, with mainline 129/11 remaining on the old route. (Search for project IDs 162390- (yes, with the hyphen) and 0010194 for more.)
Earlier today when I was reading about (in the South Carolina thread) "new I-85" in Spartanburg, SC undergoing some pavement reconstruction, which came as a surprise when considering the not-incredibly-old-age of the stretch of highway (and that the pavement is concrete).
This sparked a similar question in my mind, in relation to Georgia.
A little over a year ago, they resurfaced Interstate 75 from Dalton, GA to the Tennessee line (which was asphalt, and was resurfaced with asphalt). Most of the bridges that I-75 goes on for this stretch date back to the mid-80's or so, which is presumably when the road was widened. My question is that lately, as in starting several months ago (probably early 2017), there has been frequent work on all of these said bridges, but I cannot for the life of me figure out what it is. Often times, this road work causes backups and traffic jams when they usually do it at night. Whatever they're doing is making the striping on the bridges fade, and it is becoming a necessity to restripe it after this work is done. Also, there are many faint twisty lines on the pavement on the bridges, but they don't look like the typical tar and sealant "squiggly lines" that you often see on pavement (they are much fainter, and each individual one is on average much shorter in length). Unfortunately, I don't think there is much coverage of this in my camera roll, or if there is, I am unable to find it and post it at the moment. They have even been doing this on extremely new bridges like the one at Exit 353 (GA SR 146; Rossville, Ft. Oglethorpe) - which, the bridge is from 2009. This work has been so frequent lately, and I think that IIRC, some bridges have had the work happen to them more than once. It surprises me greatly - the frequency and impact of this work, because I didn't think that the bridges were in real bad shape (but maybe I'm just ignorant). I honestly have no idea what they are doing on all of these bridges, none of which seemed to be in desperate need of repair - can anyone tell me what exactly it is?
:hmm:
Also, during the aforementioned visit, my uncle told me that they will start working on an interchange for Georgia Highway 316 and Georgia Highway 81 very soon. I am incredibly excited for this! :nod: :hyper:
Here is an article I just read on this news: http://www.barrowjournal.com/archives/11904-Contract-awarded-for-Ga.-316Ga.-81-project.html
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The Georgia Department of Transportation has awarded a $26.4 million contract for 2.2 miles of new interchange construction on Ga. 316 at Ga. 81 in Barrow County.
The project, awarded earlier this month to CMES, Inc., of Norcross, also will include a bridge that will grade separate the existing at-grade intersection by raising Ga. 81 over Ga. 316, the DOT announced Friday.
Interchange entrance and exit ramps will provide access to and from Ga. 316 to the cross road of Ga. 81, according to a news release. The project, which is intended to alleviate heavy traffic and reduce the number and severity of crashes, is expected to be completed Oct. 31, 2020.
This is quite a busy intersection, so this construction is
definitely needed! :thumbsup:
Also, the growth
surrounding this intersection, in terms of businesses and development and such, is absolutely unreal and happening fast. For the past few times my family has made this trip to see family near Athens, we have eaten breakfast at the McDonald's right off of this intersection on the day that we leave to go back home. Also, I went with my cousins to see a movie at the Carmike Cinemas nearby a few years ago. There truly is a lot going on in this area with the sprawl, and there must be much more to come.
Does anyone know why they're taking down trees next to I-575 near Canton? I doubt it's to widen the road, because they foolishly didn't save room for a third lane south of Canton (where it's desperately needed) when they put in the silly Lexus lane in the median.
I have no idea. Im still baffled as to the fact that the toll lane on 575 is only 1 lane. The lane increase should have been two lanes on that interstate. That 1 toll lane is a band aid on a bullet wound again. Especially with people moving here from Florida, Texas and California from the natural disasters of fires and tropical storms. Anyone in those states who loses their home moves here...
Quote from: Finrod on October 20, 2017, 08:45:08 PM
Does anyone know why they're taking down trees next to I-575 near Canton? I doubt it's to widen the road, because they foolishly didn't save room for a third lane south of Canton (where it's desperately needed) when they put in the silly Lexus lane in the median.
Probably a safety project to increase the clear recovery zone. Any widening project would be in the STIP after all.
I have a question about Georgia:
Why does Georgia use two traffic lights for one protected left turn lane? Also, I noticed in northern Atlanta (particularly Perimeter Center) and in a few places in the Savannah area that Georgia seems to be following South Carolina and using a double-red signal for single protected left turn lanes.
Quote from: lordsutch on October 21, 2017, 05:10:46 PM
Quote from: Finrod on October 20, 2017, 08:45:08 PM
Does anyone know why they're taking down trees next to I-575 near Canton? I doubt it's to widen the road, because they foolishly didn't save room for a third lane south of Canton (where it's desperately needed) when they put in the silly Lexus lane in the median.
Probably a safety project to increase the clear recovery zone. Any widening project would be in the STIP after all.
Unless pursued with non-federal funding.
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on October 20, 2017, 07:51:17 PM
Also, during the aforementioned visit, my uncle told me that they will start working on an interchange for Georgia Highway 316 and Georgia Highway 81 very soon. I am incredibly excited for this! :nod: :hyper:
Here is an article I just read on this news: http://www.barrowjournal.com/archives/11904-Contract-awarded-for-Ga.-316Ga.-81-project.html
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The Georgia Department of Transportation has awarded a $26.4 million contract for 2.2 miles of new interchange construction on Ga. 316 at Ga. 81 in Barrow County.
The project, awarded earlier this month to CMES, Inc., of Norcross, also will include a bridge that will grade separate the existing at-grade intersection by raising Ga. 81 over Ga. 316, the DOT announced Friday.
Interchange entrance and exit ramps will provide access to and from Ga. 316 to the cross road of Ga. 81, according to a news release. The project, which is intended to alleviate heavy traffic and reduce the number and severity of crashes, is expected to be completed Oct. 31, 2020.
This is quite a busy intersection, so this construction is definitely needed! :thumbsup:
Also, the growth surrounding this intersection, in terms of businesses and development and such, is absolutely unreal and happening fast. For the past few times my family has made this trip to see family near Athens, we have eaten breakfast at the McDonald's right off of this intersection on the day that we leave to go back home. Also, I went with my cousins to see a movie at the Carmike Cinemas nearby a few years ago. There truly is a lot going on in this area with the sprawl, and there must be much more to come.
Last weekend I noticed on GA 316 westbound that they have orange road work distance signs approaching GA 81, but far enough away to indicate that the construction zone begins about a quarter of a mile away from the intersection, hinting that ramps will be involved. Too bad they aren't also building an overpass for Carl-Bethlehem Road. Traffic on that road ought to access GA 316 via GA 81 once the interchange is complete.
The latest version of the proposed roundabout design at US 41 & US 129 on the south side of Macon (http://www.macon.com/news/local/article184545383.html) has been revealed; Houston Avenue would not connect to the roundabout as previously planned, so the roundabout would now be 3-legged instead of 4-legged. There's no exact timeline for construction; GDOT plans to use safety funds to build it, so it wouldn't depend on any potential T-SPLOST happening.
Speaking of T-SPLOST, there is some talk of reviving the 1% Middle Georgia regional transportation sales tax proposal. The regional commission has been putting together a potential list of projects (https://www.middlegeorgiarc.org/regional-transportation-sales-tax/) which looks pretty sound including a lot of useful things - connecting the Fort Valley bypass to GA 96 east of Fort Valley, widening GA 96 from there to I-75 and from US 129 to I-16, and design & ROW for the Sardis Church Phase 2 project (a new bridge over the Ocmulgee between Macon and Robins AFB, connecting to I-16, a potential routing for the Fall Line Freeway to finally bypass Macon). However, Bibb is talking about trying to pass another 1% sales tax hike to lower property taxes, and I can't see people voting for two sales tax hikes in rapid succession so we'll see what happens.
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on October 11, 2017, 08:54:19 PM
Earlier today when I was reading about (in the South Carolina thread) "new I-85" in Spartanburg, SC undergoing some pavement reconstruction, which came as a surprise when considering the not-incredibly-old-age of the stretch of highway (and that the pavement is concrete).
This sparked a similar question in my mind, in relation to Georgia.
A little over a year ago, they resurfaced Interstate 75 from Dalton, GA to the Tennessee line (which was asphalt, and was resurfaced with asphalt). Most of the bridges that I-75 goes on for this stretch date back to the mid-80's or so, which is presumably when the road was widened. My question is that lately, as in starting several months ago (probably early 2017), there has been frequent work on all of these said bridges, but I cannot for the life of me figure out what it is. Often times, this road work causes backups and traffic jams when they usually do it at night. Whatever they're doing is making the striping on the bridges fade, and it is becoming a necessity to restripe it after this work is done. Also, there are many faint twisty lines on the pavement on the bridges, but they don't look like the typical tar and sealant "squiggly lines" that you often see on pavement (they are much fainter, and each individual one is on average much shorter in length). Unfortunately, I don't think there is much coverage of this in my camera roll, or if there is, I am unable to find it and post it at the moment. They have even been doing this on extremely new bridges like the one at Exit 353 (GA SR 146; Rossville, Ft. Oglethorpe) - which, the bridge is from 2009. This work has been so frequent lately, and I think that IIRC, some bridges have had the work happen to them more than once. It surprises me greatly - the frequency and impact of this work, because I didn't think that the bridges were in real bad shape (but maybe I'm just ignorant). I honestly have no idea what they are doing on all of these bridges, none of which seemed to be in desperate need of repair - can anyone tell me what exactly it is?
:hmm:
Regarding this question I had earlier upthread, I think I
may have partially figured out the answer. Very recently, when I've traveled on Interstate 75 in Georgia north of Dalton, I have noticed that some of these bridges they had been doing work on (which were concrete on the surface) have now had asphalt pavement of some sort paved on the surface. This has happened on quite a few bridges, and it has
even happened quite a few times on I-75 just south of Dalton, GA (especially in and near Resaca). I have pictures of most of it all, but I am currently unable to upload any of them to show y'all (due to some temporary problems with my phone and its storage and such), unfortunately. :no: X-(
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Also, I was once again down in the Atlanta Area several weeks ago, and I have a question that came to mind during that trip: while it's not anything enormous (at least for the time being), what is the construction that they are doing on Interstate 75 on the bridge over Lake Allatoona for? I have a few pictures of this, but once again, I am currently incapacitated in terms of being able to present those photos right now. In the pictures I took, it shows the left yellow edge stripe has been moved in a way that the far left lane is now closed (out of three lanes), as the yellow line sits on the dashed white stripes dividing the left and middle travel lanes - there is also a construction-related white solid stripe painted over the dashed white stripes dividing the middle and right travel lanes. Does anybody know what they're doing here - is it a minor, temporary quasi-project, or does this new sight foreshadow some very large construction project that will be occurring on this stretch of I-75?
Also, sorry for a mouthful, but it would definitely be a lot more coherent and concise if I was able to show you my pictures and I didn't have to manually describe it visually, piece by piece, so I apologize for that..
:-D :banghead: :ded:
EDIT: It is also worth noting that I took note of this sight while traveling down I-75
Southbound in the afternoon - I went on the same stretch of road going Northbound much later that day, but it was a little ways into the night, and I remember nothing about what the status of the road looking like was going in that direction.
the only possible project on I-75 in Bartow County i can find on the books for the last 3 fiscal years is "bridge rehab at 3 locations on I-75 and 2 on I-59" so I would guess that is what it is.
The merge of I-85 and I-985 has been reworked. Now, an added lane has appeared on the left about 2000 feet before the Lawrenceville-Suwanee Road exit, and said exit is now right lane exit only. Alarmingly, there's no overhead signage announcing the new lane drop, and I didn't see any signage for it at all, just the old sign on a temporary mount close to the ground. I hope everybody's paying attention out there.
I can't imagine why anybody thought this was a good idea, even if it was signed properly. :hmmm:
GDOT needs to start using BGSs on secondary roads at Interstate junctions. My family and I went to see the Christmas lights at Lake Lanier Islands last night, and my father almost missed the turn onto the I-985 NB on-ramp from GA 20 westbound because all GDOT has are some dinky little green signs suspended by cables over the road. Here's what the BGSs should read on GA 20 at I-985...
WB:
| I-985 NORTH | Gainesville | -----> |
| I-985 SOUTH TO I-85 SOUTH | Atlanta | <----- || GA 20 WEST | Cumming | ^ ^ |
EB:
| I-985 SOUTH TO I-85 SOUTH | Atlanta | -----> |
| I-985 NORTH | Gainesville | <----- || GA 20 EAST | Lawrenceville | ^ ^ ^ |
And here's what the BGSs should read on GA 20 at I-85...
NB:
| I-85 NORTH | Greenville | [45° arrow] |
| I-85 SOUTH | Atlanta | [45° arrow] || GA 20 NORTH | Buford | ^ ^ |
SB:
| I-85 SOUTH | Atlanta | [45° arrow] |
| I-85 NORTH | Greenville | [45° arrow] || GA 20 SOUTH | Lawrenceville | ^ ^ |
GA 20 should switch between NB/SB and EB/WB at GA 324/Gravel Springs Road. Small BGSs that read GA 20 EAST BECOMES GA 20 SOUTH and GA 20 NORTH BECOMES GA 20 WEST should be posted at this intersection.
Quote from: Gnutella on December 28, 2017, 08:32:48 AMHere's what the BGSs should read on GA 20 at I-985...
While you're at it, might as well wish for a pony. A chocolate brown one with a sandy-colored mane. Ooh, pretty! :-D
Wait: I'm too lazy to find, steal, and upload the photos I've seen, but excellent BGS's have been installed on Thornton Road/GA 6 approaching I-20, since the last Streetview in May 2017. Perhaps we'll start seeing them in other key locations.
I stumbled across this interesting bridge on Greenville Street, the former route of GA 109, about a mile and a half from downtown LaGrange. Built in 1937, it crosses the railroad at a very flat skew angle- - there are two straddle bents in the middle, flanked east and west by cantilevered steel bents, then standard-for-the-time concrete bents, then lengthy end spans supported on wood pilings with cross bracing, like railroad trestles.
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.0434453,-85.0069297,3a,60y,334.59h,88.91t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQrfiKRO5P0942PjuqUa2Gw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
I took a bunch of photos even though it was a dreary day because the bridge is closed and I wasn't sure how long it'll be there. As it happens, a friend saw in the LaGrange newspaper that construction on its replacement will begin this spring. Hopefully I can make it over there on a blue sky day while the bridge is still there.
The bridge is badly deteriorated, with a mix of cracked concrete piers, rusted steelwork, and desiccated wood. Another friend spotted a clue as to why: a chalk mark made by a railroad inspector on one of the bent columns. His theory is that it was built by the WPA and given to the railroad because neither the state nor the city wanted it. So, it's been destroyed by neglect, and it's extremely unlikely that its replacement will be anywhere near as interesting, though I suppose I should keep an open mind about that.
Pretty good view of the western straddle and cantilevered bents. The steel bent girders and the spans are integrated to lower the profile and thus decrease the length of the bridge.
(https://i.imgur.com/sBReKsb.jpg?1)
Outboard on the eastern side.
(https://i.imgur.com/fItJVOs.jpg?1)
"Take my picture!" Yes, the bridge is high enough for double-stacked containers. Point of interest for rail enthusiasts: those are BNSF locomotives, operating from Fairburn, GA, to Birmingham via a line that branches off about two miles from here.
(https://i.imgur.com/d5SP7MJ.jpg?1)
Quote from: Finrod on January 11, 2018, 04:12:50 PM
Does anyone know when the stoplight that was erected at Paper Mill Road and Woodlawn Drive in East Cobb County will actually be activated as a stoplight, instead of just blinking red like it has been for over a month now? It's great that they made it into a stoplight because the backups during rush hour coming into that intersection on Paper Mill are horrible, but when are they actually going to turn the silly thing on?
We have three stoplights in Kissimmee that have been on flash for almost twenty years or more. Maybe their excuse is like Osceola County's is, that we have to do a study on it to see if the traffic is warranted.
Remember DOT's want hard facts and not user observations. Just like in Tampa, FL where US 41 has long back ups at Fletcher Avenue due to a mistimed light there, the City of Tampa will have to conduct a detailed study on it to conclude that it needs just a simple timing adjustment that a worker can just study at a field level just by adjusting the time cycles and monitor for a couple of days, but you know they all have to do it by the book and waste time and money.
GDOT is busy cutting down trees in preparation for the GA 316/GA 81 interchange near Winder. They cut down everything on the west side of the intersection in December, and now they're working on the east side.
They should have also included an overpass (no interchange) for Carl-Bethlehem Road, but whatever.
Quote from: Gnutella on January 22, 2018, 03:39:14 AM
GDOT is busy cutting down trees in preparation for the GA 316/GA 81 interchange near Winder. They cut down everything on the west side of the intersection in December, and now they're working on the east side.
They should have also included an overpass (no interchange) for Carl-Bethlehem Road, but whatever.
Looks like they are finally breaking some ground on that. :thumbsup:
I, too, wish that a simple grade separation would be provided with Carl-Bethlehem Road - and for that matter, the nearby Harry McCarty road as well. This area especially on Georgia Highway 316 in Winder is so, so very busy, and it has so much development that is only growing by the day. While even after many years of work, it sounds like GA SR 316 will purposefully not be
fully limited-access (there will still be a few intersections here and there), this part in Winder is definitely deserving to have all grade separations, right there where all this development and mass growth is. I really do hope that they end up making it completely controlled-access near the new GA SR 81 interchange.
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on January 22, 2018, 10:50:16 AM
Quote from: Gnutella on January 22, 2018, 03:39:14 AM
GDOT is busy cutting down trees in preparation for the GA 316/GA 81 interchange near Winder. They cut down everything on the west side of the intersection in December, and now they're working on the east side.
They should have also included an overpass (no interchange) for Carl-Bethlehem Road, but whatever.
Looks like they are finally breaking some ground on that. :thumbsup:
I, too, wish that a simple grade separation would be provided with Carl-Bethlehem Road - and for that matter, the nearby Harry McCarty road as well. This area especially on Georgia Highway 316 in Winder is so, so very busy, and it has so much development that is only growing by the day. While even after many years of work, it sounds like GA SR 316 will purposefully not be fully limited-access (there will still be a few intersections here and there), this part in Winder is definitely deserving to have all grade separations, right there where all this development and mass growth is. I really do hope that they end up making it completely controlled-access near the new GA SR 81 interchange.
Here's what I'd like to see GDOT do on GA 316 in the next 10 years:
1. Build overpasses over GA 316 at Hi-Hope Road and Progress Center Avenue. Reconstruct Hurricane Shoals Road from Hurricane Trail to Cedars Road to handle extra truck traffic. Build interchanges at U.S. 29 and Cedars Road. Close direct access to GA 316 from Hurricane Trail and Fence Road.
2. Complete the missing segment of Drowning Creek Road from Harbins Road to Tanners Road, including an overpass over GA 316 west of Oak Valley Road. Build a frontage road on the eastbound side of GA 316 from the new segment of Drowning Creek Road to the existing segment to give the Oak Valley Road and Williams Farm Drive subdivisions access to secondary roads. Close direct access to GA 316 from Oak Valley Road and Williams Farm Drive. Build interchanges at Harbins Road and the original segment of Drowning Creek Road.
3. Build interchanges at Kilcrease Road and Patrick Mill Road. Build an overpass at Carl-Bethlehem Road.
4. Build an interchange at GA 11. Build an overpass at Harry McCarty Road.
5. Completely rethink and reconfigure the junction of the Oconee Connector and the Athens Perimeter. Build an overpass at Virgil Langford Road.
6. Build an interchange at Jimmy Daniel Road. Build an overpass at Julian Drive.
These projects would make GA 316 a limited-access highway from I-85 to GA 11 near Winder, and from U.S. 78 to the Athens Perimeter, leaving only a lightly-traveled, 10-mile segment from GA 11 to U.S. 78 without upgrades. That segment can be upgraded in the longer term.
I was in Macon today and decided to take some photos of the progress being made on the I-16/I-75 interchange project. I must say, GDOT is moving fairly fast on the project. Already you can see the new bridges taking shape along eastbound I-16 and you can see the progress being made of the efforts to improve the nearby Pleasant Hill neighborhood.
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A new park is being built in the Pleasant Hill neighborhood as part of mitigation project that GDOT is spearheading as part of the project.
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Little Richard's childhood home was moved, renovated and turned into a community center as part of the mitigation project.
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afguy, that is all looking pretty good so far. Thank you for the pictures! :thumbsup:
I am looking forward to seeing the progress in person myself very soon, when I am going on a trip to Hilton Head Island, South Carolina at the beginning of April 2018, during Spring Break. :nod:
Thanks! This project was sorely needed and I'm glad to see the progress that GDOT is making on it. This new interchange will certainly change the look and feel of Macon for the better imo.
On another note, I was looking at some of the projects that GDOT has planned for Muscogee County over the next few years and some of the projects planned along J.R. Allen caught my eye. First, GDOT is planning to expand the Georgia Navigator system along the parkway between the Alabama state line and the Manchester Expressway. This project will go out to bid this year and will include cameras, electronic message signs and ramp meters. Here's a link to the concept report for this project:https://gtas.dot.ga.gov/0014016/Concept%20Reports/0014016_CR_JAN2017.pdf (https://gtas.dot.ga.gov/0014016/Concept%20Reports/0014016_CR_JAN2017.pdf)
The other major project planned for J.R. Allen will upgrade the existing signage along the parkway and add lighting to all the interchanges along J.R. Allen. Here is a description of the project from GDOT:
QuoteThe purpose of this project is to address several issues identified in the Road Safety Audit of SR 22. Below are the recommendations: Update striping, signage and pavement markings throughout corridor, remove excess signs, Update overhead signage on SR 22, Install new RPMs, Repair rumble strips, Replace deflectors on guardrail and barrier, lengthen tapers, add signage to tight radii and provide additional pavement for truck turning movements, Install pedestrian facilities, Replace TP 1 RPMs w/TP 10 RPMs at SR 22 @ SR 219, Provide positive barrier between adjacent entrance and exit ramps, Re-sign and re-mark interstate ramps to be in compliance with FHWA recommends at SR 22 and SR 1/US 27. Consider double-mounting wrong-way signs, Proceed with test project to install radar-detection for LED wrong-way signs. Add wrong way arrow to pavement. Add additional chevron signs to loop ramps. Add right-turn lanes. Install lighting based on City of Columbus's lighting agreement.
http://www.dot.ga.gov/applications/geopi/Pages/Dashboard.aspx?ProjectID=0015150 (http://www.dot.ga.gov/applications/geopi/Pages/Dashboard.aspx?ProjectID=0015150)
Take a trip along scenic Georgia 246 - which buzzes on both sides of the NC/GA State line before becoming NC 106. Old gn.com page with photos from John Krakoff now on the blog.
http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2018/02/a-scenic-drive-along-ga-246.html
One more old gribblenation Georgia feature from the photos of John Krakoff - the Auchumpkee Creek Covered Bridge in Upson County
http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2018/02/auchumpkee-creek-bridge-upson-county.html
Quote from: CanesFan27 on February 09, 2018, 09:39:34 PM
Take a trip along scenic Georgia 246 - which buzzes on both sides of the NC/GA State line before becoming NC 106. Old gn.com page with photos from John Krakoff now on the blog.
http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2018/02/a-scenic-drive-along-ga-246.html
That looks like a truly beautiful, scenic road. It is indeed short but sweet. As of now, I have never been in the northeast corner of Georgia, but I would certainly like to go in the future. Thanks for posting! :nod:
Quote from: CanesFan27 on February 10, 2018, 09:15:36 PM
Back in the early 2000's, Atlanta's Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport went through a major runway expansion. Like any other airport expansion, it had a significant impact to the roads and highways that surround it. In this case, Georgia Highways 139 and 319 saw a significant reroute (their second since the 1970s). Our own John Krakoff, who was living in Atlanta at the time, documented some of the interesting leftovers from the old routes.
http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2018/02/former-alignments-of-ga-139-and-314.html
Wow, it is amazing to take a look back at that history. Those old alignments are incredibly interesting. Whenever I look at the Atlanta Airport on a (new) map, it is very obvious that the current configuration of many of these roads were directly affected by the colossal airport itself, and its expansions and changes over the years. Looking at the current alignments of GA 139 and GA 314, you can definitely tell that the unusual routings in that spot are a direct result of the airport expansion. I never knew the history of these roads, though. This is incredibly fascinating stuff, so thank you for sharing! :nod:
Quote from: CanesFan27 on February 11, 2018, 04:26:48 PM
One more old gribblenation Georgia feature from the photos of John Krakoff - the Auchumpkee Creek Covered Bridge in Upson County
http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2018/02/auchumpkee-creek-bridge-upson-county.html
That covered bridge is absolutely beautiful! It is amazing that it is still standing after all that it has been through (such as the tropical storm). Sadly, I have yet to see a covered bridge myself in person, but I hope to do so for the first time very soon. I actually think I recall my parents telling me that there is one somewhere near Cartersville, GA, but we have yet to have gone to see it. This one certainly looks nice, so thank you for posting! :nod:
Trees are all cleared on both sides of GA 81 at GA 316 now. Time for GDOT to get digging now!
After this interchange is built, they need to build an interchange at U.S. 29/Lawrenceville Highway next, and then Harbins Road.
I went down to Macon today after work and took some photos of the progress being made on the Sardis Church Road extension. I must say this project is coming along quite fast.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4746/39410247825_644b3b251b_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/233xPDt)Sardis Church Road Extension-Macon (https://flic.kr/p/233xPDt) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
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Wow, nice curved bridge. Is there not another on the other side, like at or behind where this photo was taken from? :hmmm:
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Haven't seen a new installation of this single tube bridge guardrail for a while, either.
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In Gwinnett County, the end of an era: conventional signage has replaced all but one of the three Olympic-era diagrammatics at the I-85-GA 316 split. A couple of years ago, GDOT would've gone with rogue APL's, and indeed the new gantries appear massive enough to support them, but they've correctly used conventional signage instead.
Quote from: Tom958 on February 17, 2018, 07:06:21 AM
Wow, nice curved bridge. Is there not another on the other side, like at or behind where this photo was taken from? :hmmm:
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Haven't seen a new installation of this single tube bridge guardrail for a while, either.
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In Gwinnett County, the end of an era: conventional signage has replaced all but one of the three Olympic-era diagrammatics at the I-85-GA 316 split. A couple of years ago, GDOT would've gone with rogue APL's, and indeed the new gantries appear massive enough to support them, but they've correctly used conventional signage instead.
The curved bridge ramp for the eastbound Sardis Church connection to southbound SR 247 is not underway yet. There was only one lonely ghost pier. One on the other side is a curved ramp to northbound SR 247/Hawkinsville Road. It will be interesting to see how this interchange will be reconfigured in the future if the Sardis Church Road project goes all the way to I-16.
Quote from: afguy on February 16, 2018, 09:54:11 PM
I went down to Macon today after work and took some photos of the progress being made on the Sardis Church Road extension. I must say this project is coming along quite fast.
That all looks and sounds incredibly nice. I was very amazed and intrigued by the work they did on Sardis Church Road during the widening and work on Interstate 75 (and I-75 itself in this area is a true masterpiece after lots of recent, impressive construction) that they did several years ago. I believe they added an interchange at I-75 & Sardis Church Rd., and there was not one there before, IIRC. But they didn't do just that - they absolutely went above and beyond, by widening Sardis Church Road itself, creating some development in the area, and even adding a bike lane to the road. After looking on Google Maps Street View, I also notice that there is a new truck stop (Love's) at the exit as well. (https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7179457,-83.7294008,3a,75y,219.16h,92.8t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1saUM1-4mTRub0ticLp3Hpeg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) As a result of all of this, I do predict that the future looks very bright for this area, and for the travelers that pass through it. :nod:
So with all of that said, I cannot describe in words how very excited I am to hear that they are extending this great road even further, and making it shine!! :hyper: :thumbsup:
Quote from: afguy on February 16, 2018, 09:54:11 PM
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4746/39410247825_644b3b251b_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/233xPDt)Sardis Church Road Extension-Macon (https://flic.kr/p/233xPDt) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
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Those pictures all look wonderful, so thank you for sharing them!! :nod:
That curved bridge does indeed look unbelievably nice, and I am excited to see how this interchange will be configured - and if it will in fact be reconfigured in the future to accomodate for an extended Sardis Church Rd. to Interstate 16 - that will be incredibly interesting as well to see if, in the future, the road even makes it all the way to I-16 - if it does, that would be very cool!! :nod: :spin:
I'm currently in Savannah right now and while I'm here I plan on taking some photos of a few Savannah area road projects.
First up is the new Jimmy DeLoach Parkway Connector which is signed as ALT SR 21.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4751/26454546538_a569454a50_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GiGt2m)Jimmy Deloach Parkway Connector-Savannah (https://flic.kr/p/GiGt2m) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
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Thank you for the photos! I love threads that have construction pictures.
Here are some more photos I took today of road projects in the Savannah area. First up is a couple of photos of the north end of the Jimmy Deloach Connector.
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Then finally is the new SR 204/King George Blvd interchange on the southside of Savannah.
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On my way from Savannah today, I decided to take some photos of the progress on the new collector/distributor lanes being built along eastbound I-16.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4705/38537647700_a3d726e465_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21Hrw2J)Interstate 16/Interstate 75 Interchange Reconstruction-Macon (https://flic.kr/p/21Hrw2J) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4769/26475956458_9b5635660c_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GkAcrU)Interstate 16/Interstate 75 Interchange Reconstructio Project-Macon (https://flic.kr/p/GkAcrU) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4648/39635881404_a84a191767_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/23oufDA)Interstate 16/Interstate 75 Interchange Reconstruction Project-Macon (https://flic.kr/p/23oufDA) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4716/40301766422_9264e2abe4_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24pk64L)Interstate 16/Interstate 75 Interchange Reconstruction Project-Macon (https://flic.kr/p/24pk64L) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
Thank you very much for posting and sharing all of those pictures, afguy! :nod: :thumbsup:
The Jimmy DeLoach Parkway Connector (GA SR 21 ALT) looks like an absolutely beautiful new road, and it looks like they did a great job on it!! I'm sure it will help Savannah Port truckers immensely, and many others as well. :nod:
The new GA SR 204/King George Blvd interchange also looks wonderful. I had heard that that intersection had some severe traffic problems, and that this new interchange was definitely badly needed. :-o
And thank you for the pictures from Macon as well - that project is coming along quite nicely! :thumbsup:
Quote from: afguy on February 18, 2018, 08:45:27 PM
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Press F to pay respects.
But in all seriousness, great photos y'all! Seems like GA has a lot of major projects underway right now.
While driving around the Cumberland area today, I spotted a new electronic message sign that had been installed on Cumberland Parkway. Usually, things like this wouldn't catch my eye but this one was different, it had the shields displayed on the sign which is new for Georgia.
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yea, they did the same for the display on Spring Rd in that general area too.
It shows times to 400 and 85 on 285E.
Cool, I'm curious to see what the toll rate will be from the Cobb cloverleaf to the end of 575 during peak hours of traffic? It seems to be around 15 bucks one way on the 85 corridor during peak hours? Correct me if I'm wrong?
I think that now makes the 4th style of VMS in active use in the Atlanta area. Recently (last 3-4 months?) I noticed that there were now some, still monochrome, using text that looks like a reasonable facsimile of Series D as opposed to the older-style text previously in use. This is the first multicolored one of any sort I've seen here.
I think there are some being installed on 575 but don't quote me on that. There is speculation that in the future ads will be used on those as well much like the large electronic ads you see on the sides of the interstate. It wouldn't surprise me at all if that happens in 5 years, seeing a VMS With a ad attached to it or sponsored by a corporation
Quote from: afguy on March 11, 2018, 08:13:52 PM
While driving around the Cumberland area today, I spotted a new electronic message sign that had been installed on Cumberland Parkway. Usually, things like this wouldn't catch my eye but this one was different, it had the shields displayed on the sign which is new for Georgia.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4780/40046744994_ae334a4f52_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/241N35A)Cumberland Parkway (https://flic.kr/p/241N35A) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
I cannot describe in words how mesmerizing that thing is. I don't think I have ever seen a style of VMS like that before - I hope they increase the usage of these, because they are so incredibly cool. I love the different colors, the Interstate Shields, and just about everything about it. I am glad to see that it looks like these beautiful things are starting to pop up in the Atlanta area. Thanks for the picture and info!! :nod:
I think they are like that in the Miami Area as well. Found out this morning that the 75/575 toll lane expansion project should be completed around labor day of this year...I wonder what the next toll project will be for 2019 and beyond???
It's too bad the graphics still look pretty crude with their hard pixel edges. Anti-aliased graphics would look far better. Most LED-based variable message displays have custom designed controllers and message software. The software often uses proprietary pixel-based fonts that are also built into the sign's controller; the fonts just have hard edges. Some of these applications will allow use of Windows system fonts in messages, but those get turned into the same jaggy nonsense.
For nice looking lettering, logos, etc on LED signs the user will typically have to create images in other graphics programs (Adobe Photoshop, Illustrator, After Effects, CorelDRAW, etc) and export still images or video files in the same pixel layout as the sign.
Quote from: Bobby5280 on March 14, 2018, 01:18:25 AM
It's too bad the graphics still look pretty crude with their hard pixel edges. Anti-aliased graphics would look far better. Most LED-based variable message displays have custom designed controllers and message software. The software often uses proprietary pixel-based fonts that are also built into the sign's controller; the fonts just have hard edges. Some of these applications will allow use of Windows system fonts in messages, but those get turned into the same jaggy nonsense.
For nice looking lettering, logos, etc on LED signs the user will typically have to create images in other graphics programs (Adobe Photoshop, Illustrator, After Effects, CorelDRAW, etc) and export still images or video files in the same pixel layout as the sign.
What's interesting is that here, it looks like the numbers inside the shields
are anti-aliased, but the edges of the shields aren't. This seems like it should be a solvable issue.
I think it's a matter of the message software supporting levels of transparency and layered objects.
I'm currently in Savannah and snapped a photo of a new sign gantry GDOT placed along I-16 East in Pooler. GDOT is also replacing the overhead signs along I-16 in Savannah.
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GDOT is planning to convert the I-75/SR 20/81 interchange in Henry County into a DDI. It would be the first on the southside...
http://www.dot.ga.gov/AboutGeorgia/Pages/GDOTAnnouncementDetails.aspx?postID=634
Quote from: afguy on March 19, 2018, 07:15:15 PM
GDOT is planning to convert the I-75/SR 20/81 interchange in Henry County into a DDI. It would be the first on the southside...
http://www.dot.ga.gov/AboutGeorgia/Pages/GDOTAnnouncementDetails.aspx?postID=634
I am very excited to hear the news of this possibility, and I definitely think that this could be a good thing, as I believe that exit might be pretty busy indeed. It really is interesting to see all these Diverging Diamond Interchanges popping up all over the Atlanta Metro Area, and it is exciting. I think that they'll just keep on coming in. :nod:
Here is a rendering of what the future I-75/SR 20 DDI will look like....
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I'm currently in Savannah right now and on my way back to my hotel I saw that the Truman Parkway still has a few signs that are illuminated at night. I believe these are the only ones still left in Georgia.
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Update on the I-16/I-75 interchange project. Work is coming along rapidly on this project. Half of the new Walnut Street overpass over I-75 is nearly complete.
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Quote from: afguy on March 29, 2018, 06:17:18 PM
Update on the I-16/I-75 interchange project. Work is coming along rapidly on this project. Half of the new Walnut Street overpass over I-75 is nearly complete.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/797/40207156125_cc34c29f44_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24fYbHK)Interstate 75-Macon (https://flic.kr/p/24fYbHK) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/811/39292686430_f3e46cfe1b_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/22SahJS)Interstate 75-Macon (https://flic.kr/p/22SahJS) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
That's amazing. I will actually be traveling through Macon the weekend after this weekend, on a trip to Hilton Head Island, SC, and I absolutely cannot wait to see the progress on the I-75/I-16 interchange construction in person. Thank you for the pictures! :nod:
Quote from: afguy on March 28, 2018, 11:04:05 PM
I'm currently in Savannah right now and on my way back to my hotel I saw that the Truman Parkway still has a few signs that are illuminated at night. I believe these are the only ones still left in Georgia.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/785/27211691638_e30e036ef3_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/HsB2Td)Truman Parkway Southbound-Savannah (https://flic.kr/p/HsB2Td) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
Did GDOTs sign shop have a stroke when making the sign to the left?
iPhone
Quote from: TheArkansasRoadgeek on March 30, 2018, 08:05:52 PM
Quote from: afguy on March 28, 2018, 11:04:05 PM
I'm currently in Savannah right now and on my way back to my hotel I saw that the Truman Parkway still has a few signs that are illuminated at night. I believe these are the only ones still left in Georgia.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/785/27211691638_e30e036ef3_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/HsB2Td)Truman Parkway Southbound-Savannah (https://flic.kr/p/HsB2Td) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
Did GDOTs sign shop have a stroke when making the sign to the left?
Sign shop conversation:
Person #1: "Hey, you know 'Derenne' is supposed to have a capital R in it, right?"
Person #2: "I can take the r out, but I can't fit a capital R in there and I really don't want to remake the whole sign."
Person #1: "Eh, just make it smaller. Nobody will notice."
As much flack as GDOT gets for signs, this one can't be blamed on them. The Harry Truman Parkway was built and is maintained by Chatham County. It's one of the few county-maintained freeways in the state, the others being Veterans Parkway(Chatham), Ronald Reagan Parkway(Gwinnett) and the Sugarloaf Parkway Extension(Gwinnett).
Quote from: Eth on March 30, 2018, 08:48:16 PM
Quote from: TheArkansasRoadgeek on March 30, 2018, 08:05:52 PM
Quote from: afguy on March 28, 2018, 11:04:05 PM
I'm currently in Savannah right now and on my way back to my hotel I saw that the Truman Parkway still has a few signs that are illuminated at night. I believe these are the only ones still left in Georgia.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/785/27211691638_e30e036ef3_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/HsB2Td)Truman Parkway Southbound-Savannah (https://flic.kr/p/HsB2Td) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
Did GDOTs sign shop have a stroke when making the sign to the left?
Sign shop conversation:
Person #1: "Hey, you know 'Derenne' is supposed to have a capital R in it, right?"
Person #2: "I can take the r out, but I can't fit a capital R in there and I really don't want to remake the whole sign."
Person #1: "Eh, just make it smaller. Nobody will notice."
With the R in there it throws the already terrible spacing off even worse!
iPhone
GDOT is planning more roundabouts. This time two are planned for Columbus at Spur 22 and Macon Road and Spur 22 at Lynch Road/Technology Pkwy.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/875/41214717631_a5c4f038f7_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/25N1cDR)Spur 22/Lynch Rd/Technology Pkwy Roundabout-Columbus,GA (https://flic.kr/p/25N1cDR) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/805/41169885452_d5b22cd9b1_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/25J3qBf)Macon Rd/Spur 22 Roundabout-Columbus,GA (https://flic.kr/p/25J3qBf) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
Speaking of roundabouts, it seems they're starting to become quite common up in north Georgia. I passed through about a half-dozen of them while clinching GA 372 yesterday, including what appears to be one under construction at the intersection with GA 369. There's also one at GA 183's east end at GA 53 that looks like it was recently finished; I guess that explains what all the orange barrels were for the last time I went through there in February 2017.
Quote from: Eth on April 15, 2018, 11:42:11 AM
Speaking of roundabouts, it seems they're starting to become quite common up in north Georgia. I passed through about a half-dozen of them while clinching GA 372 yesterday, including what appears to be one under construction at the intersection with GA 369. There's also one at GA 183's east end at GA 53 that looks like it was recently finished; I guess that explains what all the orange barrels were for the last time I went through there in February 2017.
Up here in my neck of the woods, there was even plans for at least two different roundabouts, but both of them were scrapped, IIRC.
Near Dalton, GA, at I-75's Exit 326 (Carbondale Rd.), there was plans to build three different roundabouts. There was going to be two at both sets of on/off ramps at I-75, and one at US 41 (which is right next to the interchange). They have still started major construction on this exit, but from what I can tell, the plans for roundabouts specifically were scrapped.
Also, up until now, there was a very bad traffic situation in Dalton, Georgia at I-75's Exit 333 (GA SR 52; Walnut Ave., Dalton). College Drive used to intersect Georgia Highway 52 right there where the actual interchange was. This intersection was not signalized, and it was way too close to the on/off ramps for traffic to flow very well. Finally, construction was started to fix this problem by realigning College Dr. with West Bridge Road, and creating a new signalized intersection there. However, originally, they were throwing around the idea of creating a roundabout at GA SR 52 and College Dr. They rightfully decided that in this case, that wouldn't be the best decision, so instead, they built a regular signalized intersection, and the roundabout idea was scrapped.
In the past few months, the College Dr/GA SR 52 intersection construction was finished, but here is what the road configuration looked like before, which was really bad:
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180415/7999ce6e2cb6e4e4974df880f8ac6983.jpg)
Tennessee has really started adding a lot of roundabouts, especially in the eastern part of the Chattanooga Metro Area (also in my neck of the woods), particularly in East Brainerd. There's been a lot of growth there, and I find it fascinating how they are sprucing up the road system there (such as adding those roundabouts). I have yet to see any of those new ones in person, but I would love to do so soon. :nod:
Quote from: afguy on April 03, 2018, 02:35:59 PM
GDOT is planning more roundabouts. This time two are planned for Columbus at Spur 22 and Macon Road and Spur 22 at Lynch Road/Technology Pkwy.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/875/41214717631_a5c4f038f7_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/25N1cDR)Spur 22/Lynch Rd/Technology Pkwy Roundabout-Columbus,GA (https://flic.kr/p/25N1cDR) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
Not necessarily a bad idea, but that roundabout is going to lock up bad when trains come through. Not that I've ever seen a train on that line anytime I've driven through Columbus, mind you.
Also, nitpick: that one is not on Spur 22, it's on mainline Ga. 22 (better known as US 80, sorta-kinda-maybe part of the "Fall Line Freeway" depending on exactly where GDOT claims it starts).
DeRenne Ave :-D
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on April 15, 2018, 01:34:21 PM
Quote from: Eth on April 15, 2018, 11:42:11 AM
Speaking of roundabouts, it seems they're starting to become quite common up in north Georgia. I passed through about a half-dozen of them while clinching GA 372 yesterday, including what appears to be one under construction at the intersection with GA 369. There's also one at GA 183's east end at GA 53 that looks like it was recently finished; I guess that explains what all the orange barrels were for the last time I went through there in February 2017.
Up here in my neck of the woods, there was even plans for at least two different roundabouts, but both of them were scrapped, IIRC.
Near Dalton, GA, at I-75's Exit 326 (Carbondale Rd.), there was plans to build three different roundabouts. There was going to be two at both sets of on/off ramps at I-75, and one at US 41 (which is right next to the interchange). They have still started major construction on this exit, but from what I can tell, the plans for roundabouts specifically were scrapped.
From checking the approved construction plans on GDOT Projects website, it looks like the I-75 Exit 326 ramps at Carbondale Rd. and the US 41 intersection
will in fact be getting roundabouts.
http://www.dot.ga.gov/BS/Projects/ProjectSearch# (http://www.dot.ga.gov/BS/Projects/ProjectSearch#) (search using project number: " 610890- "; then click "
Related Documents")
http://www.dot.ga.gov/applications/geopi/Pages/Dashboard.aspx?ProjectID=610890- (http://www.dot.ga.gov/applications/geopi/Pages/Dashboard.aspx?ProjectID=610890-)
I didn't personally work on this project, but I know the engineers who did. I actually used these intersections as an example problem on doing roundabout traffic analysis, as a part of the internal training class I used to teach for roadway design engineers.
Quote from: 2Co5_14 on April 18, 2018, 01:42:51 PM
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on April 15, 2018, 01:34:21 PM
Quote from: Eth on April 15, 2018, 11:42:11 AM
Speaking of roundabouts, it seems they're starting to become quite common up in north Georgia. I passed through about a half-dozen of them while clinching GA 372 yesterday, including what appears to be one under construction at the intersection with GA 369. There's also one at GA 183's east end at GA 53 that looks like it was recently finished; I guess that explains what all the orange barrels were for the last time I went through there in February 2017.
Up here in my neck of the woods, there was even plans for at least two different roundabouts, but both of them were scrapped, IIRC.
Near Dalton, GA, at I-75's Exit 326 (Carbondale Rd.), there was plans to build three different roundabouts. There was going to be two at both sets of on/off ramps at I-75, and one at US 41 (which is right next to the interchange). They have still started major construction on this exit, but from what I can tell, the plans for roundabouts specifically were scrapped.
From checking the approved construction plans on GDOT Projects website, it looks like the I-75 Exit 326 ramps at Carbondale Rd. and the US 41 intersection will in fact be getting roundabouts.
http://www.dot.ga.gov/BS/Projects/ProjectSearch# (http://www.dot.ga.gov/BS/Projects/ProjectSearch#) (search using project number: " 610890- "; then click "Related Documents")
http://www.dot.ga.gov/applications/geopi/Pages/Dashboard.aspx?ProjectID=610890- (http://www.dot.ga.gov/applications/geopi/Pages/Dashboard.aspx?ProjectID=610890-)
I didn't personally work on this project, but I know the engineers who did. I actually used these intersections as an example problem on doing roundabout traffic analysis, as a part of the internal training class I used to teach for roadway design engineers.
Oh okay. I don't know what I was thinking. I haven't been on the exit in a long time, and for some reason, I thought they had scrapped the plans for roundabouts. It is interesting to hear that they are in fact building those roundabouts. I am very excited to see the results of this construction when it is all done. :nod:
With Bryan and Bulloch Counties voting on a TSPLOST in two weeks and Liberty considering one for 2020, I wonder how long it will be before Chatham decides to jump on board.
QuoteLiberty County voted for TSPLOST a recent election. However at that time the referendum was broken into regions and not individual counties. The coastal region voted down TSPLOST.
Due to recent changes of the legislation, individual counties can move forward with placing TSPLOST referendums on the ballots for the 2020 elections.
Brown said under the new legislation the rate for the TSPLOST could be up to 1 percent and the duration would be five years.
He added that most eligible projects within the county have already been identified in the State Transportation Plan.
Brown said TSPLOST could bring in a little over $40 million which could move the bypass out of the funding and planning stage and toward the start of construction.
https://coastalcourier.com/news/local-news/county-looking-to-tsplost-to-build-hinesville-bypass/
I just sent a passionate email to several engineers at GDOT today asking them to stop mounting single and small overhead signs with a full support structure across the entire roadway which is less attractive, adds to visual clutter, and is way more expensive because of their irrational fear of cantilevered supports thst are perfectly safe with an inspection of the bolts at the footing every few years.
It's unfortunate to see this insult to engineering evolution breing continued amongst all of the strcutures and clutter of the I-75 Northwest express lanes project.
If you agree that cantilevered supports should be re-embraced for signs near the median and small single signs please contact them with the repeated request that I made.
This is only state I've come across that scared to erect any new cantilivered assemblies over roadway.
Quote from: architect77 on June 01, 2018, 10:31:49 PM
I just sent a passionate email to several engineers at GDOT today asking them to stop mounting single and small overhead signs with a full support structure across the entire roadway which is...
A full-width gantry was destroyed in Bartow County. Check it out (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.2774753,-84.8153792,3a,15y,57.6h,81.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s1lq1PxGnW854Q7-geNsuXA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656). I seriously doubt that its collapse was less unsafe than that of a cantilever would've been.
Quote from: architect77 on June 01, 2018, 10:31:49 PM
I just sent a passionate email to several engineers at GDOT today asking them to stop mounting single and small overhead signs with a full support structure across the entire roadway which is less attractive, adds to visual clutter, and is way more expensive because of their irrational fear of cantilevered supports thst are perfectly safe with an inspection of the bolts at the footing every few years.
It's unfortunate to see this insult to engineering evolution breing continued amongst all of the strcutures and clutter of the I-75 Northwest express lanes project.
If you agree that cantilevered supports should be re-embraced for signs near the median and small single signs please contact them with the repeated request that I made.
This is only state I've come across that scared to erect any new cantilivered assemblies over roadway.
You hate it too, huh? Those small, rinky-dink signs are hard to read at speeds over 35 MPH. GDOT doesn't like to replace them often either.
I've been told that GDOT has petitioned AASHTO to remove US 29 from downtown Lawrenceville and route it instead via GA 316 and Lawrenceville-Suwanee Road, plus a short connecting section of GA 120. Unless GDOT handles this extremely casually, that means that the battleaxe button copy signs for the GA 120 exit from 316 will be remembered (!!) and replaced. Oh, well, they've had a long run.
(https://i.imgur.com/b89m2tr.jpg)
Quote from: Tom958 on June 09, 2018, 06:56:05 PM
I've been told that GDOT has petitioned AASHTO to remove US 29 from downtown Lawrenceville and route it instead via GA 316 and Lawrenceville-Suwanee Road, plus a short connecting section of GA 120. Unless GDOT handles this extremely casually, that means that the battleaxe button copy signs for the GA 120 exit from 316 will be remembered (!!) and replaced. Oh, well, they've had a long run.
(https://i.imgur.com/b89m2tr.jpg)
That means Lawrenceville-Suwanee Road will have to be added to the state highway system. Assuming the plan is to relinquish US 29 to Lawrenceville, I'm guessing Lawrenceville-Suwanee would just become part of SR 8. If not and they just want to relocate US 29 while maintaining SR 8 through Lawrenceville, they'd have to create a new number.
I wonder if Crogan/Winder Hwy will become US 29 Business. If that happens, it would intersect US 29/SR 316 at its current terminus.
Quote from: emory on June 11, 2018, 05:35:57 PM
I wonder if Crogan/Winder Hwy will become US 29 Business. If that happens, it would intersect US 29/SR 316 at its current terminus.
I suspect not; I think if that were GDOT's plan they'd have also submitted an application to extend that route. The full application can be found on pages 121-128 here. (https://route.transportation.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/50/2018/05/004_USRN_Part-1-AL-GA.pdf)
My guess would be that GA 8 will be rerouted the same way as US 29. And since Georgia doesn't tend to leave hanging ends, I would expect a change for GA 120 as well, most likely a truncation back to Lawrenceville-Suwanee Rd (
maybe co-signed with US 29/GA 8 to GA 316, but no farther). On the other hand, maybe Google Maps has been on to something all these years of showing GA 317 continuing past I-85 and it'll be extended down to current US 29 to accommodate the new routing. :sombrero:
This would also be a prime opportunity to clean up the mess that is the routings of GA 20 and GA 124 through downtown. Moving 20 off of the Clayton/Perry one-way pair and onto 124 would seem to make sense.
Quote from: Eth on June 11, 2018, 05:56:43 PM
Quote from: emory on June 11, 2018, 05:35:57 PM
I wonder if Crogan/Winder Hwy will become US 29 Business. If that happens, it would intersect US 29/SR 316 at its current terminus.
I suspect not; I think if that were GDOT's plan they'd have also submitted an application to extend that route. The full application can be found on pages 121-128 here. (https://route.transportation.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/50/2018/05/004_USRN_Part-1-AL-GA.pdf)
Ah. I see it now. Thanks.
I also noticed in this application a petition to remove US 341 from Main/Ball/Sam Nunn in Perry and make US 341 Bypass/Perry Parkway part of the main US 341.
Quote from: Eth on June 11, 2018, 05:56:43 PMThis would also be a prime opportunity to clean up the mess that is the routings of GA 20 and GA 124 through downtown. Moving 20 off of the Clayton/Perry one-way pair and onto 124 would seem to make sense.
Well, actually... the Clayton-Perry one-way pair is being removed, too. I don't know how it'll affect the routing of state highways- - I doubt that that was even considered. The map I saw in the AJC showed Clayton Street remaining one-way on the east side of the courthouse square, which would suggest that 20 should be routed along Perry even though it's slightly longer. Or, maybe it'd be best to move 20 over to Jackson Street.
(https://www.ajc.com/rf/image_lowres/Pub/p9/AJC/2018/05/17/Images/conversion.png)
Quote from: Eth on June 11, 2018, 05:56:43 PM
Moving 20 off of the Clayton/Perry one-way pair and onto 124 would seem to make sense.
Isn't that the way it is already?
Coming into Lawrenceville from the south the signage for 20 says to turn right onto 124 (from Grayson to Scenic.) That's what I've done each time I've gone through there on 20, although I've always turned left on Jackson from Scenic and not gone up to Crogan as the signage directs.
Quote from: Buck87 on June 17, 2018, 08:54:10 AM
Quote from: Eth on June 11, 2018, 05:56:43 PM
Moving 20 off of the Clayton/Perry one-way pair and onto 124 would seem to make sense.
Isn't that the way it is already?
Coming into Lawrenceville from the south the signage for 20 says to turn right onto 124 (from Grayson to Scenic.) That's what I've done each time I've gone through there on 20, although I've always turned left on Jackson from Scenic and not gone up to Crogan as the signage directs.
Hmm. A quick Google Street View check shows that the signage was indeed changed sometime between 2013 and 2015, though as best I can tell GDOT's maps still show the route going through downtown.
Does anyone know if any Corridor Z shields for GA 520 are still present?
Quote from: roadman65 on June 20, 2018, 04:40:46 PM
Does anyone know if any Corridor Z shields for GA 520 are still present?
Exit 1 near the end of I-185 at US 27 near Columbus:
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2912/32754674602_fcdefe5a4b_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/RUqgB1)
Typical GDOT with different shields even on overheads. The one thing about the state road signs is never a dull moment in shields due to each one being different. Some Business Routes have the Bus. or Business within the shield while some have it above it while even some have it with green borders like the GA 520 which also has some black border shields now.
Then you have many concurrencies which some assemblies feature some of the routes while the others feature the others missing. You have both US 1 & 23 Business in Waycross where the northern end signs both routes but in other parts of Waycross you have only US 1 signed. Even GA 4 is not signed except outside the city limits in Ware County.
Then many intersections feature both overheads on span wire and ground mounts all showing different routes totally unconistent.
Never a dull moment in GA with signs to say the least.
Quote from: roadman65 on June 21, 2018, 07:59:09 PM
Typical GDOT with different shields even on overheads. The one thing about the state road signs is never a dull moment in shields due to each one being different.
So very true. The Exit 1B sign actually surprises me a little bit, because I thought that particular shield shape didn't become the..."standard" isn't really the right word, let's say "one of the more common variations"...until after the ~2007 switchover to Series E(M). I'm guessing this sign must be one of the last Series D ones that went up. The shape on the Exit 1A sign looks more like what I tended to see on new installs in the early-mid 2000s.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/43025114281/in/dateposted-public/
What is so interesting in this is the logic of leaving out the GA 520 shield here. As sine salad would prevail compromising safety to the motoring public only the three US routes (which dominate over other GA routes) and GA 64 are allowed to only create 4 routes signed. As GA 64 changes alignment here to go from one road to the other its straight through trailblazing which is needed. GA 31 is left out cause its less important being for most of US 441 through here, and GA 520 is posted earlier on a JCT sign so its not totally unsigned.
The US 41 and Carbondale Road roundabout is complete, just needs striped it looks like.
Construction crews are still moving erf on GA 316 at GA 81. You can see where the eastbound off-ramp and westbound on-ramp will go.
Looks like GDOT has a new logo.
New one:
(https://i.imgur.com/kC19ok4.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/P8a1GMn.png)
Old one:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcoosavalleynews.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F05%2FGDOT-Logo.jpg&hash=a10759c076b7acb515f5b0a3237f9ffd19a07c2c)
what a leap forward
glad we updated that.
GDOT is planning to send out bids next month for a sign upgrade project along I-520 in Augusta. The highlight for me is the the fact that the sign for Deans Bridge Road will now feature a SR 540 shield on the overhead.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/836/29701638758_361e12c592_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/MfCEpY)Interstate 520 (https://flic.kr/p/MfCEpY) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/923/41764412300_f89f188c04_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/26CzwJ9)Interstate 520 (https://flic.kr/p/26CzwJ9) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1829/43525833612_bed2580656_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29jegV7)Interstate 520 (https://flic.kr/p/29jegV7) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/842/41764412420_315acf0567_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/26CzwLd)Interstate 520 (https://flic.kr/p/26CzwLd) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/918/43525833812_5fa116fa3f_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29jegYy)Interstate 520 (https://flic.kr/p/29jegYy) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1769/43525833962_080f60159d_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29jeh29)Interstate 520 (https://flic.kr/p/29jeh29) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/926/41764412520_c3f92e5efb_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/26CzwMW)Interstate 520 (https://flic.kr/p/26CzwMW) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/853/43525834082_9636a0f6a7_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29jeh4d)Interstate 520 (https://flic.kr/p/29jeh4d) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/854/41764412600_e3bc95dc56_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/26CzwPj)Interstate 520 (https://flic.kr/p/26CzwPj) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
Makes me wonder if GADOT intends to post GRIP 540 shields all the way to Macon. Now that it's mostly complete, the Fall Line might be better served under a single number rather than the hodgepodge it is now.
I was honestly starting to wonder if they planned to sign GA 540 at all. Guess that answers that question.
I do love the classic inconsistency of signing GA 4 with US 1 but not signing GA 121 with US 25.
The highlight (actually more of a lowlight) for me is that they're apparently using a 2009 MUTCD-compliant scheme after abandoning it and returning to the old way on three projects in Atlanta. I posted a thread about it (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=21196.0), though no one here seemed to think much of it.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/854/41764412600_e3bc95dc56_b.jpg)
Quote from: Tom958 on July 22, 2018, 10:43:30 PM
The highlight (actually more of a lowlight) for me is that they're apparently using a 2009 MUTCD-compliant scheme after abandoning it and returning to the old way on three projects in Atlanta. I posted a thread about it (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=21196.0), though no one here seemed to think much of it.
I hadn't noticed that, probably because I'm not in Augusta often enough to be familiar with the lane configurations there. Certainly disappointing, as I too have lamented this practice as causing too many unnecessary lane changes.
Also of note, I see this is now to be signed just as "EXIT 1" instead of the current "EXIT 1A-B" (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.4819555,-82.084367,3a,60y,6.63h,89.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sRywrG-YPn3Z6GKGB5AKj9A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656), though based on the other diagrams posted, it looks like
the directional ramps will retain the 1A and 1B numbers (wait, maybe not, I forgot they're still two separate exits eastbound). Not sure I like that change, mostly because of the fact that there is also a 1C present as a separate interchange.
Quote from: index on July 13, 2018, 03:12:51 PM
Looks like GDOT has a new logo.
New one:
(https://i.imgur.com/kC19ok4.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/P8a1GMn.png)
Old one:
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I somehow expected the new logo to have a peach in it, since GA likes to put those in its advertisements, but this is pretty nice as well.
Looks like 1 and just 1 additional lane of widening is set to begin on IH 85 between 985 and GA route 53. IMO they should make it 4 lanes in each direction because that is a high priority from the Southeast to New England, especially with the commercial truck traffic and the Atlanta suburbs extending up that corridor.
Quote from: Tomahawkin on July 25, 2018, 11:13:19 PM
Looks like 1 and just 1 additional lane of widening is set to begin on IH 85 between 985 and GA route 53. IMO they should make it 4 lanes in each direction because that is a high priority from the Southeast to New England, especially with the commercial truck traffic and the Atlanta suburbs extending up that corridor.
Widening 85 North is way overdue IMO. The truck traffic is insane. :-|
Agreed. The added vacationing summer traffic from New England to Florida makes 85 through Atlanta and the suburbs hell. Ditto for IH 75
I'm glad that city officials are trying to tackle their traffic issues and not waiting for them to get worse. Also I like the idea of a "Fort Gordon Expressway"
QuoteA main concern is traffic from Appling funneling south into Harlem on its way to Fort Gordon. Widening a stretch of about 300 feet of North Louisville Street before the Milledgeville Road intersection would improve flow. Another idea is a "Fort Gordon expressway" or "commuter route," Cook said, to relieve traffic pressure on smaller roads leading into town.
A more immediate remedy to a local traffic problem will be installing three solar-powered signalized crosswalks across Louisville Street — one for pupils walking to North Harlem Elementary, another near the center of downtown and a third near Harlem United Methodist Church.
Harlem grapples with transportation issues - News - The Augusta Chronicle - Augusta, GA (http://www.augustachronicle.com/news/20180729/harlem-grapples-with-transportation-issues)
Saw the 1 lane toll expansion on 575... Its a band aid on a bullet wound! Can anyone explain why 575 wasn't made to be 8 lanes total, years ago? Especially in One of the fastest growing areas in The A... Also past the suburbs, it should be made as a 6 lane (both directions) up to the mountains, IMO
Quote from: Tomahawkin on August 16, 2018, 11:47:09 PM
Saw the 1 lane toll expansion on 575... Its a band aid on a bullet wound! Can anyone explain why 575 wasn't made to be 8 lanes total, years ago? Especially in One of the fastest growing areas in The A... Also past the suburbs, it should be made as a 6 lane (both directions) up to the mountains, IMO
Great question, considering how that area exploded in growth.
Rendering of the new GA400/SR 369 Interchange in Forsyth County
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Quote from: afguy on August 19, 2018, 06:17:46 PM
Rendering of the new GA400/SR 369 Interchange in Forsyth County
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Good idea. I'm glad they're building this as an actual interchange, instead of anything like that clusterfuck at GA 53 near Dawsonville. With all the money GDOT spent there, and the amount of right-of-way they took, they could have built a damn interchange there, instead of a confusing mess of turning lanes.
Quote from: Gnutella on August 22, 2018, 01:41:00 AM
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Rendering of the new GA400/SR 369 Interchange in Forsyth County
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Good idea. I'm glad they're building this as an actual interchange, instead of anything like that clusterfuck at GA 53 near Dawsonville. With all the money GDOT spent there, and the amount of right-of-way they took, they could have built a damn interchange there, instead of a confusing mess of turning lanes.
Does GDOT have long-term plans to upgrade the road to a full freeway through there near the GA 53 intersection? It seems like the right of way is plenty wide enough.
That's a really short ramp from southbound 400 to westbound 369!
Today I drove up to the in-laws' via I-85 through the HOT (nearly complete) and widening-reconstruction out to GA 53 (just started) construction zones, I was surprised to see extensive milling and asphalt repaving underway north of Hamilton Mill, in the area of the widening project. Moreover, the newly-striped lanes are about three feet further from the median than the existing lanes, about what you'd expect if the two newly-repaved lanes were intended to be the outer lane and shoulder of the completed project. The finished product would thus be similar to I-475, which was finished in 2010 or so.
For whatever reason (maybe reading the project concept reports a couple of years ago), I thought that the idea was to remove and replace all of the existing pavement with new concrete as was done on I-20 at Augusta, but that's clearly not the case. Or, if it ever was, it isn't anymore.
The widening contract also includes replacement of three non-interchange bridges over the freeway, the interchange bridges having been replaced years ago. The legacy bridges were left in place on the otherwise-similar I-20 and I-475 projects. Perhaps there'll be enough new paving added to create a clearance problem, and it was decided not to raise 55+-year-old bridges.
A couple of U.S. Route questions;
Why aren't there any End US 82 signs on US 17 at I-95?
How is GDOT doing with their work on the Cleveland Bypass?
Glad to see this project underway finally...
QuoteThe project length is only half a mile, but the impact will be huge, especially for commuters. According to Richmond Hill data, a high majority of residents commute to work every single day with an average 25 minute drive.
"It will not land on the backs of those homeowners that are already here in Richmond Hill. That's thinking ahead," Rep. Stephens said. "That's real good planning by the city."
Georgia DOT plans to host a groundbreaking ceremony sometime this month.
You won't see the final product on Belfast Keller until October 2020. That's GDOT's official completion date.
http://www.wtoc.com/2018/10/02/gdot-adding-i-exit-belfast-keller-rd-bryan-county/
On Sunday I drove I-85 from GA20 into SC. In the HOT lane construction zone, the third general traffic is now open in each direction. Northbound, the new overhead signage has long indicated that the third general traffic lane would be terminated by the usual means: an exit only at Hamilton Mill Road. Doing this would avoid a double forced left-side merge of both HOT lane and general traffic lane. However, at the last minute, it's been decided to try the double forced merge after all. The exit only panels have been removed from the overheads, and I believe that the sign at the Hamilton Mill Road exit has been fully replaced with one with the arrow on the side instead of the bottom and no room vertically for an exit only panel. Wow.
EDIT: Actually, the overhead shown in this Streetview (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0731088,-83.9228227,3a,15y,67.57h,95.34t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sqYpyZh8-xR8ax1O6Nxb9bg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) has been replaced with the ground-mounted sign you see beyond.
The HOT lane will end about a mile before Hamilton Mill Road, and the third general traffic lane will end almost simultaneously with the Hamilton Mill exit, almost as if the exit and lane-end tapers are complements of each other.
My last post mentioned the replacement of the three legacy non-interchange bridges as part of the widening project out to GA 53. I didn't see any progress on that as yet, but there are two other such replacements underway outside the project area: one between 53 and Commerce, the other in distant Franklin County. Could it really be that these prosaic and lightly-traveled bridges are in distress structurally?
The Savannah/Hilton head International Airport is looking at major upgrades to the I-95/Airways Ave Interchange by constructing two flyover ramps at the interchange.
QuoteOn Tuesday during the inaugural State of the Airport address, executive director of the Savannah Airport Commission, Greg Kelly, outlined plans to construct one or two flyovers near the intersection of Interstate 95 and Airways Avenue to alleviate traffic congestion and provide better access to the terminal building.
"We have a problem we have to solve. (The current traffic) not only creates an inconvenience for people trying to get into Pooler, but it creates a real inconvenience for people trying to get into the airport," Kelly told the crowd of dozens gathered at the Perry Lane Hotel.
″... The airport built this interchange in the early 1990s, so it was there for the 1994 opening of the current terminal building. It's our problem to fix, but we're going to have partners that will work with us on it."
The first step, a comprehensive study that was launched in partnership with the Georgia Department of Transportation and the Coastal Region Metropolitan Planning Organization, is already in motion and should take about a year to complete.
The initial phase of the study will look at several factors including, traffic counts and potential new traffic volumes based on growth and land use data before the project could move on to the state and federal levels for any approval or funding.
Kelly hopes to have the flyover in place within the next five years.
"This is a priority project for us," he said.
"We're excited about moving forward with that."
https://www.savannahnow.com/business/20181009/savannah-airport-hopes-to-add-flyovers-for-better-access
QuoteResidents have expressed concern about heavy congestion and the high number of deadly accidents that happen around the I-16, I95 interchange. This project is GDOT's $319 million attempt to fix that.
GDOT tells News 3 Wednesday morning it expects to have a construction office by the end of the month.
At a committee meeting Wednesday, the project's chief engineer told GDOT's board members the contractor is still expected to break ground in the spring of 2019.
Project plans show GDOT will replace two dangerous loop ramps with two flyover ramps where I-16 meets 1-95.
The project also adds turning lanes at intersections near the interchange, better lighting, and sensors in the highway.
https://www.wsav.com/news/local-news/i-16-expansion-project-enters-next-phase/1530972722
Updated rendering of the I-16/I-95 interchange..
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Updated rendering of the I-16/I-95 interchange..
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Are these new flyovers for 95SB to 16EB, and 16WB to 95SB?
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Quote from: afguy on October 19, 2018, 04:11:04 PM
Updated rendering of the I-16/I-95 interchange..
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Are these new flyovers for 95SB to 16EB, and 16WB to 95SB?
Yes.
Another update on the I-16/I-95 Interchange project. According to a news story on WSAV, instead of building two flyover ramps, GDOT will be a turbine interchange. It will be the first of its kind in Georgia and will be similar to the I-85/I-485 interchange in Charlotte,NC.
QuoteRenditions show those plans have slightly changed. Instead of replacing existing ramps with flyover ramps, the construction company -- Reeves Construction Company -- is now building a turbine ramp.
It's the first of its kind in the state of Georgia and a way to reduce costs.
https://www.wsav.com/news/local-news/exclusive-important-changes-new-artist-rendition-of-i16-i95-interchange-project/1546291473 (https://www.wsav.com/news/local-news/exclusive-important-changes-new-artist-rendition-of-i16-i95-interchange-project/1546291473)
The groundbreaking for the new I-95/Belfast Keller Road interchange in Richmond Hill was today. The interchange will open in October 2020.
QuoteOfficials broke ground on the long anticipated I-95 Belfast Keller Interchange during a ceremony Wednesday outside the South Bryan Administrative Complex.
Proponents say the $18.9 million project will drive economic development, ease congestion on Highway 144 and improve public safety by giving commuters another route to the interstate.
Work is expected to be complete in October, 2020. The project has been talked about for decades, officials said during Wednesday's ceremony.
"I wasn't sure that I would ever see it happen," former Bryan County Commission Chairman Jimmy Burnsed said. "We ran into so many obstacles. I knew that it would happen one day, but I didn't know that I would be around to see it."
https://www.bryancountynews.com/news/groundbreaking-new-i-95-interchange-belfast-keller/
Quote from: afguy on October 24, 2018, 07:12:10 PM
Another update on the I-16/I-95 Interchange project. According to a news story on WSAV, instead of building two flyover ramps, GDOT will be a turbine interchange. It will be the first of its kind in Georgia and will be similar to the I-85/I-485 interchange in Charlotte,NC.
QuoteRenditions show those plans have slightly changed. Instead of replacing existing ramps with flyover ramps, the construction company -- Reeves Construction Company -- is now building a turbine ramp.
It's the first of its kind in the state of Georgia and a way to reduce costs.
https://www.wsav.com/news/local-news/exclusive-important-changes-new-artist-rendition-of-i16-i95-interchange-project/1546291473 (https://www.wsav.com/news/local-news/exclusive-important-changes-new-artist-rendition-of-i16-i95-interchange-project/1546291473)
So this is going to be a partial turbine?
GA 316 update: A month ago, the speed limit on GA 316 was reduced to 55 MPH from just east of Carl-Bethlehem Road to a point about half a mile east of GA 81. The intersection of GA 316 and GA 81 was relocated slightly to the west on what appears to be a temporary alignment. Apparently the overpass will be built on the original GA 81 alignment. A long retaining wall is beginning to take shape in the northeastern quadrant of the construction zone, where the westbound off-ramp will go. There seems to be more progress in the northern (westbound) half of the project than the southern (eastbound) half.
J.R. Allen needed to be widened years ago. Glad to see a study is being done now
QuoteFacing a traffic bottleneck on J.R. Allen Parkway from Bradley Park Drive into Phenix City, the city's Planning Department won approval Tuesday for the Georgia Department of Transportation to conduct a $200,000 study on the roadway.
Columbus Council approved the agreement during Tuesday's meeting on the corridor also known as U.S. 80. The study will determine whether an additional lane is needed in both directions and examine the interchanges to see if they warrant improvements.
The east-west corridor averages up to 60,000 vehicle trips per day in some locations on the four-lane highway. Traffic stalls during the rush hour in the afternoon as motorists try to return home to Phenix City from Columbus.
https://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/local/article222359850.html
QuoteThe money will help pay for an interchange at Ga. 11 — an estimated 10,000 cars a day pass through the intersection. The state will build a bridge to allow Ga. 316 traffic to continue over Ga. 11.
The work on Ga. 11 will extend about 0.4 miles. On SR 316, the work will span about 1.1 miles.
Sens. Johnny Isakson and David Perdue announced the U.S. Department of Transportation grant late Thursday.
https://www.ajc.com/blog/commuting/feds-award-million-for-316-interchange/lFfcejKpGERgcDYxccewTK/
Quote from: afguy on December 06, 2018, 06:59:01 PM
QuoteThe money will help pay for an interchange at Ga. 11 — an estimated 10,000 cars a day pass through the intersection. The state will build a bridge to allow Ga. 316 traffic to continue over Ga. 11.
The work on Ga. 11 will extend about 0.4 miles. On SR 316, the work will span about 1.1 miles.
Sens. Johnny Isakson and David Perdue announced the U.S. Department of Transportation grant late Thursday.
https://www.ajc.com/blog/commuting/feds-award-million-for-316-interchange/lFfcejKpGERgcDYxccewTK/
Good call. GA 81 was the worst intersection on GA 316 in Barrow County, but GA 11 was not much better. I still wish they'd build an overpass for Carl-Bethlehem Road, though, so there'd be a signal-less drive in Barrow County from Patrick Mill Road to GA 53, and only two traffic signals from Patrick Mill Road all the way to the edge of Athens.
Anyone know about the GA 20 widening progress in Gwinnett and Forsyth county? Haven't been on that road in 18 months but IMO GA 20 Should be a minimum of 6 lanes its entire route (along with a Lawrenceville bypass) since plans to build the Arc were killed a decade ago
Quote from: Tomahawkin on December 20, 2018, 06:25:22 PM
Anyone know about the GA 20 widening progress in Gwinnett and Forsyth county? Haven't been on that road in 18 months but IMO GA 20 Should be a minimum of 6 lanes its entire route (along with a Lawrenceville bypass) since plans to build the Arc were killed a decade ago
The widening's been finished for a while. Google's satellite view hasn't been updated, but Streetview from a year and a half ago shows the new lanes open with work still in progress. I guess the Sugarloaf Parkway extension would qualify as a Lawrenceville bypass if if ever gets built, which I doubt.
I agree. They should address a Lawrenceville bypass ASAP with all the new home building going on out there. Its better to be proactive instead of reactive...Thanks for the info.
PLEASE EVERYONE CONTACT GDOT AND REQUEST THAT THEY RE-EMBRACE CANTILEVERED OVERHEAD SIGNS!
Because all future projects will be crammed into existing right-of-way of Atlanta freeways...
Supporting single signs on both sides of the road is asainine, costs twice as much, clutters up the once attractive freeways...
and make Georgia look as if it doesn't understand basic engineering.
GDOT confirmed with me that they no longer cantilever signs, which are efficient, elegant, and not extreme feats of engineering.
The rest of the world can manage to inspecting them every few years for safety, but Georgia cannot.
Please join me in pressuring them to stop wasting money on ugly 2-post gantries which now number in the hundreds on Atlanta freeways. Thank you!
They just did the sign bridges at 285 and Flat Shoals with the supprts that can be climbed upon. You can take it to the back that the backsides of those signs will be littered with graffiti before Summer hits
Quote from: Tomahawkin on December 27, 2018, 09:57:55 PM
They just did the sign bridges at 285 and Flat Shoals with the supprts that can be climbed upon. You can take it to the back that the backsides of those signs will be littered with graffiti before Summer hits
California used to put barbed wire below the signs due to even the fronts of the signs being tagged.
Honestly I don't care as much about that but the signs are the state's voice talking to the public.
They connote so much unspoken judgement about how civilized the state and country are.
AT LEAST GDOT IS DOING A BETTER JOB MAKING OVERHEAD SIGN ASSEMBLIES MORE VISUALLY LEVEL.
I requested this for many years, because so many in Atlanta lean to the left or the right, which looks like something on Hee-Haw, not good for Georgia.
Quote from: architect77 on December 27, 2018, 10:10:40 PMAT LEAST GDOT IS DOING A BETTER JOB MAKING OVERHEAD SIGN ASSEMBLIES MORE VISUALLY LEVEL.
I requested this for many years, because so many in Atlanta lean to the left or the right, which looks like something on Hee-Haw, not good for Georgia.
After wondering about it for thirty years, last year I shot the elevations of one at Spaghetti Junction and found that it was two feet and three inches out of level. A friend asked me about another one, but I said I wouldn't check it. If it looks like it's massively out of level, it probably is.
We've got to convince GDOT to stop this embarrassing, wasteful avoidance of cantilevered signs. If they're worried about collapse, just use the monolithic poles like Western states & sink it in a concrete rooting. It won't fall then.
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Crooked gantries everywhere in Atlanta---downtown connector Northbound after Grady curve, West Paces exit, I-20 at I-285 Lithonia, all in Gwinnett on I-85.
But I finally got this monstrosity removed about 5 years of requests:
Road and gantry incongruent, got it adjusted- bottom pic:
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Quote from: architect77 on December 29, 2018, 10:03:27 PMBut I finally got this monstrosity removed about 5 years of requests:
Road and gantry incongruent, got it adjusted- bottom pic:
Wow, I'm impressed! I talked them into replacing an entire overhead assembly, but that was thirty years ago.
The Georgia Legislature passed a Transportation Bill a few years ago (around 2014 or 2015),in that if you stay in any hotel in Georgia you have to pay an extra $5 a night in taxes. Which I think is more than fair and it will lead to better revenue than tolls.
A few weeks ago I had the opportunity to take some pictures of the ongoing construction at I-75's Exit 326 (Carbondale Rd.), south of Dalton, GA. They have gotten a lot of progress done, and there are indeed some roundabouts (traffic circles) there. Here are the photos:
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This is US 41 North right before reaching the roundabout at Carbondale Road.
US 41 reaching the traffic circle:
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Going through the roundabout to get onto Carbondale Rd. Westbound:
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Carbondale Road looking west at the newly-built roundabout and the bridge over the interstate, about to turn right on the on-ramp to I-75 North:
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The on-ramp to Interstate 75 Northbound:
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Note: There are three traffic circles that have been (or are being) constructed on the exit - one at the Carbondale Rd./US 41 intersection, and two with Carbondale Rd. and the ramps to/from I-75 - one for each respective set on each side of the overpass - but I had only gotten pictures of two, due to the fact that it was not in our driving route.
These next pictures are from near and at I-75's Exit 320 (GA SR 136), which was redone (and completed) a few years back, but I still posted these for fun, since I had taken them on the same trip as the pictures above in my post.
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This is on the off-ramp to GA 136 from I-75 North.
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Georgia Highway 136 Eastbound just east of the exit; the sign for the Flying J/Denny's on the exit can also be partly seen in the far right edge of the photo.
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GA SH 136 East right before reaching the intersection with US 41 (at which GA 136 then becomes concurrent with US 41 going north for an extremely brief segment).
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A closeup of the signage right at the intersection, with a railroad also in the background.
IMO 75 needs to be 8-10 lanes from Chattanooga to the 575 interchange. 75 is hell because of all the truck traffic and summer vacation traffic is worse. I have proposed making it a toll road North outside of Barrow county to fund this. A 50 cent/dollar toll would do wonders. GA needs to be proactive in tolling snowbird traffic instead of reactive. The current toll lanes only get the locals who have to commute daily.
I actually had another opportunity to go through the Carbondale Road exit today, but this time while on I-75 the whole time. Here are some pictures of the exit construction from that point of view (Interstate 75 Northbound):
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These pictures were all taken extremely close together (so they aren't much varied), but they pretty much capture what the exit looks like while on I-75 North right before reaching the underpass.
Nashville has had some very crooked sign gantries as well, mostly those attached to overpasses. The crookedest one I remember seeing was north of downtown Nashville, where I-24 eastbound and I-65 southbound split.
INTERSTATE 75/INTERSTATE 16 INTERCHANGE REBUILD
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Quote from: afguy on January 20, 2019, 10:22:45 AM
INTERSTATE 75/INTERSTATE 16 INTERCHANGE REBUILD
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That looks amazing so far. I find it especially fascinating how there is a tree, house, people, and clouds engraved in that particular section of that concrete wall. :nod:
Quote"They lived a great life, but we are talking about the mid-1960s' when they were built," said Kyle Collins. "65,000 to 70,000 cars travel this area through any given day. Having those additional lanes from to two to three; having those inside and outside shoulders are just going to make safer operations all around."
Part of I-20 is getting a significant upgrade. Both sides of the highway from exit 200 to exit one will have three lanes instead of two, and the roads will be widened. For one driver, the project makes his job easier.
"It gives us more room to pass cars and especially the wide load guys," explained James Lashley. "They will have a lot more room to maneuver around the small bridges. It will help us out in the long run."
The roadway is Lashley's life. He told NewsChannel 6 reporter Devin Johnson, GDOT and SCDOT working together to rebuild the bridge will benefit those who use the roads for work, as well as the people who live in the area.
"That's how we get the product to the customers," said Lashley. "If the roads aren't maintained, it's hard to get stuff from point A to point B."
https://www.wjbf.com/csra-traffic/massive-i-20-project-kicks-off/1717298981
Quote from: afguy on January 23, 2019, 01:29:02 PM
Quote"They lived a great life, but we are talking about the mid-1960s' when they were built," said Kyle Collins. "65,000 to 70,000 cars travel this area through any given day. Having those additional lanes from to two to three; having those inside and outside shoulders are just going to make safer operations all around."
Part of I-20 is getting a significant upgrade. Both sides of the highway from exit 200 to exit one will have three lanes instead of two, and the roads will be widened. For one driver, the project makes his job easier.
"It gives us more room to pass cars and especially the wide load guys," explained James Lashley. "They will have a lot more room to maneuver around the small bridges. It will help us out in the long run."
The roadway is Lashley's life. He told NewsChannel 6 reporter Devin Johnson, GDOT and SCDOT working together to rebuild the bridge will benefit those who use the roads for work, as well as the people who live in the area.
"That's how we get the product to the customers," said Lashley. "If the roads aren't maintained, it's hard to get stuff from point A to point B."
https://www.wjbf.com/csra-traffic/massive-i-20-project-kicks-off/1717298981
Taken on a trip to Charleston, SC in June of 2017, here are some pictures of what Interstate 20 in the area directly near (and going across) the South Carolina/Georgia border, in both directions, has looked like recently before they start construction on this project - this can serve as something to compare to whatever the final product will look like (which I am excited to see once finished).
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Looks like the Ports Authority is going ahead with an new bridge, instead of raising the old one. This project will by far be the biggest transportation project in the history of Savannah. According to Griff Lynch, a new bridge will be needed before the end of the next decade. I wouldn't be surprised if they floated a combination of bonds and tolls to help pay for the new bridge.
QuoteGriff Lynch, the head of the Georgia Ports Authority, told lawmakers Wednesday that planning is underway to replace the bridge in roughly a decade. He's floated this idea for months, saying it's essential to help the booming Savannah port to attract the ever-growing container ships that need more clearance. "We'll be talking about this in the years to come — it's probably about $1 billion in cost," Lynch told legislators. "If you'd like the ports to continue to be what they are now, this is something we're going to have to figure out."
https://www.ajc.com/blog/politics/one-way-solve-the-talmadge-bridge-controversy-build-new-one/X3ey4LtPhzrexWHuAmeHwN/
The new interchange would be between SR 155 and Bill Gardner Pkwy.
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QuoteTo date, all project activities have been funded with Henry County SPLOST IV dollars. Expenditures to date total $238,673 covering the interchange feasibility study and interchange justification report. Remaining funds of $5.2 million are sufficient to cover preliminary engineering and the environmental impact study.
The design process will take two to three years. When the environmental report has been completed, it will be submitted to FHWA before Henry County can receive a final approval to build the new exit.
Right of way acquisition could start in 2021-2022 and take about two years to complete. Construction is tentatively planned to start by 2025 with the new exit open by 2028. Henry County is working with Georgia DOT and the Atlanta Regional Commission to secure state and federal funding to cover right of way and construction. Total project costs are estimated at $40-50 million.
https://movinghenryforward.org/2018/11/26/bethlehem-road-ijr-approved-by-federal-highway-administration/ (https://movinghenryforward.org/2018/11/26/bethlehem-road-ijr-approved-by-federal-highway-administration/)
The Savannah city council is requesting that GDOT take over maintenance of the Truman, Veterans and Jimmy DeLoach Parkways. With the former routes, if GDOT does take over maintenance, I wonder if they will attach state route numbers or will they try to go with interstate designations. With the later, GDOT will definitely attach a state route number.
QuoteGDOT Maintenance of Limited Access Highways: The City requests that the Georgia Department of Transportation take over
maintenance of the Jimmy DeLoach Parkway, the Truman Parkway and Veterans Parkway
http://agenda.savannahga.gov/content/files/2019-state-legislative-agenda-rev.pdf
Quote from: afguy on January 26, 2019, 02:19:41 PM
The Savannah city council is requesting that GDOT take over maintenance of the Truman, Veterans and Jimmy DeLoach Parkways. With the former routes, if GDOT does take over maintenance, I wonder if they will attach state route numbers or will they try to go with interstate designations. With the later, GDOT will definitely attach a state route number.
QuoteGDOT Maintenance of Limited Access Highways: The City requests that the Georgia Department of Transportation take over
maintenance of the Jimmy DeLoach Parkway, the Truman Parkway and Veterans Parkway
http://agenda.savannahga.gov/content/files/2019-state-legislative-agenda-rev.pdf
The limited-access portion of Jimmy DeLoach Pkwy is already GA 21 Alt and has been signed as such since 2017 (not that I need to tell you that, since you yourself have posted photos of it in this thread), so I'm not sure what that's supposed to be about.
Truman Pkwy doesn't connect to another Interstate, so unless they decide to pull a North Carolina and call it a southern I-97 or something, no I-number there. A rerouting of GA 204 (and truncation of 204 Spur) wouldn't surprise me.
I-516
could perhaps be rerouted down Veterans Pkwy, with the current end reverting to just GA 21. More likely they'd just call it either GA 21 Conn or GA 204 Conn, though.
Quote from: Eth on January 26, 2019, 09:57:19 PM
Quote from: afguy on January 26, 2019, 02:19:41 PM
The Savannah city council is requesting that GDOT take over maintenance of the Truman, Veterans and Jimmy DeLoach Parkways. With the former routes, if GDOT does take over maintenance, I wonder if they will attach state route numbers or will they try to go with interstate designations. With the later, GDOT will definitely attach a state route number.
QuoteGDOT Maintenance of Limited Access Highways: The City requests that the Georgia Department of Transportation take over
maintenance of the Jimmy DeLoach Parkway, the Truman Parkway and Veterans Parkway
http://agenda.savannahga.gov/content/files/2019-state-legislative-agenda-rev.pdf
The limited-access portion of Jimmy DeLoach Pkwy is already GA 21 Alt and has been signed as such since 2017 (not that I need to tell you that, since you yourself have posted photos of it in this thread), so I'm not sure what that's supposed to be about.
Truman Pkwy doesn't connect to another Interstate, so unless they decide to pull a North Carolina and call it a southern I-97 or something, no I-number there. A rerouting of GA 204 (and truncation of 204 Spur) wouldn't surprise me.
I-516 could perhaps be rerouted down Veterans Pkwy, with the current end reverting to just GA 21. More likely they'd just call it either GA 21 Conn or GA 204 Conn, though.
Your outcome is the most likely, I could see GDOT extending the SR 21 ALT designation to all of the Jimmy DeLoach Parkway. With the Truman Parkway, I could see GDOT doing a swap. They reroute SR 204 to cover all of Truman Parkway and turn over maintenance of Abercorn to the city. With Veterans Parkway, it becomes tricky. GDOT could, although highly unlikely, extend the 516 designation to Veterans Parkway or they may just put a new state route designation on it.
This past weekend, I noticed that sign gantries are up on GA 316 near the GA 81 interchange that's currently under construction. The gantries at the off-ramps will be full-width, while the rest will be on your standard, non-cantilevered GDOT gantries at the side of the highway. There are only two gantries eastbound, at half a mile and the future eastbound off-ramp, but there are three gantries westbound, for some reason. One is at half a mile, and one is at the future westbound off-ramp, but one is in between those two. They're not going to put a quarter-mile sign up, are they?
I also noticed on a drive to Gainesville last week that the winding two-lane segment of U.S. 129 between I-85 and I-985 is now being widened to four lanes. Hallelujah.
GDOT needs to go ahead and just make this a limited-access facility...
QuoteThe Rome contingent was unanimous in their praise for a slight realignment that uses roundabouts at intersections to allow for arterial road-style access.
"There are no stoplights," said Ken Wright, director of business and industry services at the Rome Floyd Chamber. "If you want to continue on without stopping, you can."
Todd Barker, consultant manager for GDOT, said they've refined the design since public hearings last year left open the question of limited access - favored in Floyd for the speed - versus controlled access, seen in Bartow as the key to new development. The new plans address both needs.
Floyd County's special project manager, Bruce Ivey, said there are just three roundabouts between U.S. 411 and I-75, "which will aid in the flow of traffic." Rome City Manager Sammy Rich agreed.
"That's what a lot of our folks have been concerned about," Rich said.
http://www.northwestgeorgianews.com/rome/news/local/changes-to-i--link-unveiled/article_532da278-28dd-11e9-903f-93a9f48b2ddc.html
The routings of US 19 and US 29 indicated by those signs were correct up through about 1985 (1985 GDOT map — 2 MB) (http://ten93.com/2019/downtown-atl-1985.png). The signs on I-75/85 are no more than a decade old and are simply carbon copies of the old ones that were there.
Quote from: Eth on February 10, 2019, 11:22:15 PM
The routings of US 19 and US 29 indicated by those signs were correct up through about 1985 (1985 GDOT map – 2 MB) (http://ten93.com/2019/downtown-atl-1985.png). The signs on I-75/85 are no more than a decade old and are simply carbon copies of the old ones that were there.
Cool. That makes me even more curious though: the first set of signs on the exit ramp states "NORTH 29, TO 19/78". Does that mean 19 was rerouted before 29 was, and those signs were put up during a brief period when that was the case?
Also interesting that there's no mention at all of US 278.
Quote from: US 89 on February 10, 2019, 11:54:59 PM
Quote from: Eth on February 10, 2019, 11:22:15 PM
The routings of US 19 and US 29 indicated by those signs were correct up through about 1985 (1985 GDOT map — 2 MB) (http://ten93.com/2019/downtown-atl-1985.png). The signs on I-75/85 are no more than a decade old and are simply carbon copies of the old ones that were there.
Cool. That makes me even more curious though: the first set of signs on the exit ramp states "NORTH 29, TO 19/78". Does that mean 19 was rerouted before 29 was, and those signs were put up during a brief period when that was the case?
Also interesting that there's no mention at all of US 278.
GDOT's 1986 map shows both 19 and 29 on the current alignment with 41 on Northside Dr, so if there ever was such a time, it would have to have been for just a few months.
The omission of US 278 I can't explain; it's been there on the current routing since 1955.
TSPLOST 2.0 will go before voters in May 2020 for the CSRA.
QuoteOn Tuesday, representatives from the 13 counties known as the Central Savannah River Area district elected officers to a committee that will select the road, bridge, pedestrian, transit and freight projects to be funded by the next Transportation Investment Act sales tax.
In 2012, the region was one of just three statewide to pass the 1-percent sales tax created by the Georgia Legislature in 2010. Richmond County voters passed the tax with 58 percent support, while a majority of Columbia County voters did not approve it. Last year, voters in 18 south-central Georgia counties agreed to create a new South Georgia district, and the tax has been collected in that region since October.
The TIA is a 10-year tax to be collected in the CSRA region from 2013 through 2022, bringing the local sales tax rate to 8 percent.
Organizers are looking to put the region's second slate of TIA projects before voters in May 2020, said Andy Crosson, the executive director of the CSRA Regional Commission, which has facilitated TIA meetings and educational programs since the tax began.
https://www.augustachronicle.com/news/20190216/committee-forms-to-develop-next-transportation-sales-tax-package (https://www.augustachronicle.com/news/20190216/committee-forms-to-develop-next-transportation-sales-tax-package)
T-SPLOST for Dougherty County goes before voters on March 19th.
QuoteThe city and Dougherty County commissions have both approved an intergovernmental agreement that will put a 1 percent T-SPLOST referendum before county voters on March 19. If approved, moneys collected – projected to be $80 million over the five years of the special tax – would go a long way toward addressing some of the issues facing officials with both governments.
"One of the things that came from our very positive negotiations with the county (on the language of the proposed referendum, project list and fund allocation) was the understanding that we both have the same concerns," the city manager said. "When there are sewer spills that make their way into the Flint River, when there are potholes on city or county streets that beat up people's vehicles, citizens don't care about any kind of boundaries. They are all concerned because these things impact them.
"Both the city and county leaders agreed that there are projects where we can pool our resources and realize an economy of scale that may allow us both to get lower prices when we're bidding projects. This has given us an opportunity to work together, and that's important because our citizens don't care if a road is in the city, the county or is a state road. They just want them fixed."
Subadan said the project list agreed upon by city and county leaders takes into account the greatest transportation-related needs in the city and county. On that list are road paving and improvements, sidewalks, alley paving, trails, and roadway markings and striping.
https://www.albanyherald.com/news/local/subadan-t-splost-would-fund-need-to-have-projects/article_73d968d7-e2c0-566b-b1fc-8babc563e742.html (https://www.albanyherald.com/news/local/subadan-t-splost-would-fund-need-to-have-projects/article_73d968d7-e2c0-566b-b1fc-8babc563e742.html)
PDF file on Dougherty County T-SPLOST projects:http://dougherty.ga.us/filestorage/1800/379008/T-SPLOST_TRI-FOLD_1_no_%25.pdf (http://dougherty.ga.us/filestorage/1800/379008/T-SPLOST_TRI-FOLD_1_no_%25.pdf)
Quote from: Gnutella on January 28, 2019, 11:44:31 PMI also noticed on a drive to Gainesville last week that the winding two-lane segment of U.S. 129 between I-85 and I-985 is now being widened to four lanes. Hallelujah.
I stopped to photograph a 1940 bridge (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.1932018,-83.7194173,3a,50.5y,189.62h,86.36t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sMMbZjdyt-IWcXcs1GINjkg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DMMbZjdyt-IWcXcs1GINjkg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D86.49187%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100) that'll be demolished and replaced for the project. To my delight, I discovered that there was another bridge further to the west, very similar in design to the 1940 bridge. It might've once been used for private purposes, but it's long abandoned now.
I think I found a way to relieve traffic in the Atlanta area:
Residential areas in the suburbs were intentionally designed not to connect. If they connected, there would be less traffic on the busy roads.
Another DDI is coming to Georgia, this time at I-20/Panola Rd
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Quote from: afguy on March 09, 2019, 10:02:14 PM
Another DDI is coming to Georgia, this time at I-20/Panola Rd
Six lanes on the eastbound offramp! Three for left turns, three for right!
Quote from: afguy on March 09, 2019, 10:02:14 PM
Another DDI is coming to Georgia, this time at I-20/Panola Rd
Nice, any idea what the time frame is for construction?
Further east on I-20 is the planned reconstruction of the GA 138 interchange in Conyers, which according to this article is now going to be an SPUI with an estimated start date of 2022: https://www.rockdalenewtoncitizen.com/news/local/details-emerging-on-hwy-bridge-reconstruction/article_cc780081-c82e-5824-8e04-07b6e6a6d163.html
Quote from: Buck87 on March 10, 2019, 02:45:05 PM
Quote from: afguy on March 09, 2019, 10:02:14 PM
Another DDI is coming to Georgia, this time at I-20/Panola Rd
Nice, any idea what the time frame is for construction?
Further east on I-20 is the planned reconstruction of the GA 138 interchange in Conyers, which according to this article is now going to be an SPUI with an estimated start date of 2022: https://www.rockdalenewtoncitizen.com/news/local/details-emerging-on-hwy-bridge-reconstruction/article_cc780081-c82e-5824-8e04-07b6e6a6d163.html
From what I've seen on GDOT's website, the Panola Rd interchange project will start in 2027. BTW, below is a diagram of the new SPUI planned for the I-20/SR 138 interchange.
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I hope GDOT Reads these pages but after driving from Johns Creek to Suwanee, there is some serious improvement needed at SR 317 and IH 85. That area has been a cluster#### for over a decade. More lanes and a DDI Is seriously needed there especially with all the truck traffic since there is a SEFL Freight hub nearby
new exit opens up today on I-85 in Coweta County for Piedmont Newnan Hospital Road
i didnt get any good pics today but i will try and grab some Thursday
What is a DDI?
Overall, I'm not impressed with diverging-diamond interchanges. Traffic on Pleasant Hill Road in Duluth was pretty bad before the I-85 interchange overhaul, but now it's even worse. It can take as much as 20 minutes to get from Satellite Boulevard to Club Drive on a normal weekday.
The only DDI I have seen where it has made an impact us the Wendy Hill Road interchange. The rest, especially Jimmy Carter and Ashford Dunwoody are just band aids on a bullet wound. But its about all that they can do...
DDI's offer little to no benefit over a standard diamond interchange if the surface street intersecting the freeway has high traffic counts. Through traffic on the surface street is still stuck having to wade through two traffic lights on either side of the freeway. Worse yet, the criss-cross action of lanes for through traffic creates its own bottleneck effect. You can't have both movements of traffic on the surface street going through the interchange at the same time.
Basically a DDI is a poor man's SPUI. For a busy surface street crossing a freeway a SPUI is a vastly superior choice, thanks to only one traffic signal and the ability to allow both directions of traffic on the surface street to move through at the same time. Unfortunately SPUI's tend to be more costly to build than a DDI, especially if the SPUI has the surface street crossing over the freeway.
That last post is on point. The amount of truck traffic doesn't help the DDI @Jimmy Carter Blvd. And you are right G-Dot goes cheap and uses the DDI as a temporary fix. I was hoping that they would gut the bridge there as well as the Plesant hill bridge...
I don't really understand GDOT at all when it comes to US Highway signage. Neither US 19 or 29 is directly accessed from here, so it really should be "TO 19/29". And in addition, those routes are both concurrent with US 41, which doesn't get a mention.
They do a similar 19/29 thing at Spring Street downtown, as I've mentioned elsewhere in this thread.
Quote from: US 89 on April 16, 2019, 09:58:38 AM
I don't really understand GDOT at all when it comes to US Highway signage. Neither US 19 or 29 is directly accessed from here, so it really should be "TO 19/29". And in addition, those routes are both concurrent with US 41, which doesn't get a mention.
They do a similar 19/29 thing at Spring Street downtown, as I've mentioned elsewhere in this thread.
Go to Waycross and you will find that US 23 Business (concurrent with US 1 Business) is only signed outside the Waycross City Limits while inside the city only US 1 Business is signed.
Georgia is strange but at least for the most part trailbazing on the US routes proper is better signed than their state route counterparts.
I am sending a plea to every member of GDOT's Board members to start making aesthetics a priority for the massive rivers of concrete they are creating along Atlanta's freeways. They need to use as few sign supports as possible to reduce visual clutter, and how about some landscaping between the express lanes that they're planning for GA400?
If they continue unchanged, Atlanta will not have any attractive aspect whatsoever on its freeways, like what they did to I-85 through Gwinnett and I-75 through Cobb, easily one of the ugliest express lane endeavors in the country.
If you agree with me, please contact them also. Thx.
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Quote from: architect77 on April 20, 2019, 01:13:40 PM
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This looks like the work of a madman, even if the argument is sound.
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Better as bacon, anyway.
Quote from: US 89 on April 16, 2019, 09:58:38 AM
I don't really understand GDOT at all when it comes to US Highway signage. Neither US 19 or 29 is directly accessed from here, so it really should be "TO 19/29". And in addition, those routes are both concurrent with US 41, which doesn't get a mention.
They do a similar 19/29 thing at Spring Street downtown, as I've mentioned elsewhere in this thread.
Georgia does a poor job of signing secondary highways. I recently drove U.S. 29 from Pensacola, FL to Newnan, and I never lost my way in either Florida or Alabama. Once I got back into Georgia, however, I missed a turn in LaGrange, and ended up driving for a few miles on U.S. 27 northbound before doubling back. It turns out that they had one dinky sign posted for U.S. 29 to turn.
I recently went on a trip to Savannah and snapped some photos of the I-16/I-75 interchange project.
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https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=24991.0
GA 316 NEWS
Construction of the GA 81 interchange is steady as it goes. Land is now being graded for the eastbound on-ramp, and a retaining wall is now being built on the eastbound side at the location of the overpass. My guess is that the westbound on-ramp and eastbound off-ramp will be constructed after the overpass is completed.
Further west, there are now orange signs that read "ROAD WORK NEXT 3 MILES" posted eastbound near the U.S. 29/Lawrenceville Highway intersection, and westbound near the Drowning Creek Road intersection. I also noticed just a couple of weeks ago that the Waffle House at the Harbins Road intersection is closed, and I found out it has been for about four months now, because Gwinnett County bought the property in preparation for construction of an interchange at the intersection. Apparently, construction of this interchange will be underway very soon, likely at the same time as new interchange construction at the GA 11 intersection.
Even further west, the right of way is being cleared of trees on the controlled-access segment from Collins Hill Road to I-85. Most of the clearing so far has been on the westbound side, but they've recently started clearing on the eastbound side as well. Also, concrete slabs are being replaced eastbound between GA 120 and Collins Hill Road, involving single-lane closures during nighttime hours on the weekends.
One problem that needs to be rectified very soon is the elimination of signalized intersections adjacent to some of the new interchanges. Overpasses need to be built at Hi-Hope Road and Carl-Bethlehem Road. A few months ago, there was a fatal accident on GA 316 eastbound when traffic passing through the GA 20/GA 124 interchange crashed into the queue of traffic stopped at the traffic signal for Hi-Hope Road. This was avoidable. Besides, a simple overpass is easier and less expensive than an interchange.
A newly emerging problem is increasing traffic at the unsignalized Harry McCarty Road intersection. With all the new commercial development between GA 81 and GA 11, many vehicles are now using Harry McCarty Road for access between GA 316 and the new development in order to avoid the interchange construction zone at GA 81. Making matters even more dangerous is that this intersection is hidden from traffic on GA 316 westbound, just beyond a curve. I fear it's only a matter of time before a severe or fatal crash happens there.
In the draft for the 2045 long range transportation plan for Chatham County, the Metro Planning Commission is setting aside $450,000 for a study that will determine if an interchange is feasible at Quacco Rd and I-95. From what I understand the proposed interchange would be similar to the Schomburg/Blackmon Rd interchange off of J.R. Allen Pkwy in Columbus. Personally, I think an interchange is needed, especially in light of all the of the growth coming to the south end of Pooler Pkwy and Southwest Chatham in general. Below is a link to the draft 2045 plan:https://www.thempc.org/docs/lit/Core...TP2045Full.pdf
The new interchange at Gravel Springs Rd and I-85 could be under construction soon.
QuoteThe Gwinnett County Board of Commissioners voted Tuesday to accept just over $20 million in federal and state grants to pay for construction of the interchange, which is strategically positioned midway between the oft-congested Ga. 20 and Hamilton Mill Road access points. The commission then awarded the construction contract to E.R. Snell Contractors.
https://www.ajc.com/news/local/that-new-interchange-near-buford-could-under-construction-soon/XVvM8aFPGUo9MRGIMxCLWK/
I-16/CHATHAM PARKWAY EASTBOUND RAMP RECONGFIGURATION
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The Proposed project would reconfigure the I-16 Eastbound exit ramp at Chatham Parkway from a
two-lane approach to a four-lane approach adding 1 additional left turn and 1 additional right turn lane.
The project also proposes to widen the channelized right turn lane from Chatham Parkway to I-16 EB
on ramp, reconfigure the existing signal, and add pedestrian crosswalks, and wheelchair ramps.
The Savannah Metropolitan Planning Commission had a public meeting regarding the future of the I-95/Airways Ave/Pooler Pkwy Interchange. Of the four proposals presented, the only I like most was the plan for the flyover ramp from I-95 to Pooler Pkwy. It may be the costliest, but it will have a long-term benefit and will actually improve traffic flow. As for it making access for pedestrian difficult, I rarely see people walking in the area and if they are, its usually from the hotels to the outlet mall.
QuoteWhile not yet complete, Mark Wilkes, Coastal Region Metropolitan Planning Organization project manager, said the study has narrowed down the potential options to four.
A flyover interchange for cars exiting Interstate 95 onto Pooler Parkway, the most costly option at a projected cost of $44 million, would provide a long term solution to growing traffic demands in the area, would not require widening the bridge, and eliminate left turns in the area, freeing up movement into and out of the airport.
However, this option's costly and complicated construction could lead to traffic delays and would make it more difficult for pedestrian movement in the area, according to the presentation.
Another option presented on Wednesday was a single-point urban interchange that would have similar disadvantages to the flyover interchange.
At a projected cost of $35.7 million, the interchange would bring fewer traffic conflict points than a diamond interchange and would provide more distance between the I-95 southbound ramp and Mill Creek Circle to the west, an issue highlighted in the study.
At $9.6 million, the least expensive option, Pooler Parkway would be turned into a diverging diamond interchange, similar to Ga. 21′s interchange with I-95.
https://www.savannahnow.com/news/20190814/chatham-savannah-mpc-presents-pooler-parkway-i-95-interchange-replacement-options
Despite converting the Interstates to mileage-based exit numbers in 2000, SR-400 and the Albany bypass still have sequential exit numbers. I assume there are no plans to convert either road to mileage-based exit numbers. The Albany bypass could keep the numbers as-is, but I really think GA-400 should convert to mile-based.
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on September 06, 2019, 04:21:16 PM
Despite converting the Interstates to mileage-based exit numbers in 2000, SR-400 and the Albany bypass still have sequential exit numbers. I assume there are no plans to convert either road to mileage-based exit numbers. The Albany bypass could keep the numbers as-is, but I really think GA-400 should convert to mile-based.
They
did, however, convert the Athens Perimeter in 2004 (https://web.archive.org/web/20060513055141/http://www.dot.state.ga.us/specialsubjects/roadconstruction/sr10/index.shtml). Not sure why that didn't carry over to any of the other non-Interstate freeways, but I agree that it should.
Quote from: Eth on September 06, 2019, 07:48:51 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on September 06, 2019, 04:21:16 PM
Despite converting the Interstates to mileage-based exit numbers in 2000, SR-400 and the Albany bypass still have sequential exit numbers. I assume there are no plans to convert either road to mileage-based exit numbers. The Albany bypass could keep the numbers as-is, but I really think GA-400 should convert to mile-based.
They did, however, convert the Athens Perimeter in 2004 (https://web.archive.org/web/20060513055141/http://www.dot.state.ga.us/specialsubjects/roadconstruction/sr10/index.shtml). Not sure why that didn't carry over to any of the other non-Interstate freeways, but I agree that it should.
Maybe now they can start calling it SR 422.
Quote from: Eth on September 06, 2019, 07:48:51 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on September 06, 2019, 04:21:16 PM
Despite converting the Interstates to mileage-based exit numbers in 2000, SR-400 and the Albany bypass still have sequential exit numbers. I assume there are no plans to convert either road to mileage-based exit numbers. The Albany bypass could keep the numbers as-is, but I really think GA-400 should convert to mile-based.
They did, however, convert the Athens Perimeter in 2004 (https://web.archive.org/web/20060513055141/http://www.dot.state.ga.us/specialsubjects/roadconstruction/sr10/index.shtml). Not sure why that didn't carry over to any of the other non-Interstate freeways, but I agree that it should.
One weird thing about the exit renumbering on the Athens Perimeter is that the sequential numbers were numbered clockwise, but the mileage-based numbers are numbered counterclockwise.
GA 316 NEWSThe GA 81 interchange is coming along, with retaining walls being mostly complete on both sides of GA 316, and piers now being constructed in the GA 316 median for the GA 81 overpass. At this rate, I expect the overpass to be finished by the end of the year. There's still lots of work to do for the ramps, though. Only the westbound off-ramp appears to be taking any shape.
The big news, however, is that construction of the Harbins Road interchange is officially underway. The Waffle House and at least one home in the construction zone have been razed, and the trees have all been clear-cut in the right of way, which is now being plowed down to the dirt in places.
Quote from: Gnutella on September 09, 2019, 04:01:45 PM
Quote from: Eth on September 06, 2019, 07:48:51 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on September 06, 2019, 04:21:16 PM
Despite converting the Interstates to mileage-based exit numbers in 2000, SR-400 and the Albany bypass still have sequential exit numbers. I assume there are no plans to convert either road to mileage-based exit numbers. The Albany bypass could keep the numbers as-is, but I really think GA-400 should convert to mile-based.
They did, however, convert the Athens Perimeter in 2004 (https://web.archive.org/web/20060513055141/http://www.dot.state.ga.us/specialsubjects/roadconstruction/sr10/index.shtml). Not sure why that didn't carry over to any of the other non-Interstate freeways, but I agree that it should.
One weird thing about the exit renumbering on the Athens Perimeter is that the sequential numbers were numbered clockwise, but the mileage-based numbers are numbered counterclockwise.
It's even weirder when you look at other circumferential routes in the US - almost all of them increase mileage in the clockwise direction. If I had to guess why Loop 10 is different, I'd suggest it's maybe because counterclockwise is the direction of increasing mileage on all four US highways the loop carries (29, 78, 129, 441). But who knows.
GA 316 NEWS
Last weekend, GDOT installed the GA 81 overpass beams over the eastbound lanes of GA 316, and I suspect they'll install them over the westbound lanes sometime this week, though probably not this weekend since there's a football game in Athens on Saturday. The most remarkable thing about the new GA 81 interchange is the long retaining wall for the westbound off-ramp. None of the other ramps have retaining walls.
I looked at the anticipated construction dates of various interchanges and improvements along GA 316 in the next 10 years, and they seem to be pretty random. GDOT could do a better job coordinating the schedule of these projects by location and traffic count. For example, with interchange construction for the new West Winder Bypass and GA 11 both imminent in the next year or two, simple overpasses for Carl-Bethlehem Road and Harry McCarty Road should become high priorities. That way, when both of the overpasses and both of the interchanges are open, there will be free-flowing traffic on GA 316 in Barrow County on a 13-mile segment from Kilcrease Road to GA 53.
The segment from U.S. 78 to the Athens Perimeter should be given higher priority. Traffic is heavy enough to stack up at the Jimmy Daniel Road intersection, the recent upgrade of the Oconee Connector intersection was a band-aid on a bullet wound, and the Perimeter interchange is functionally obsolete. Traffic is getting significantly worse on that entire segment, especially with all the new commercial development between Jimmy Daniel Road and the Perimeter. The very first piece of the project should be a flyover ramp from the "inner" (clockwise) Perimeter to GA 316 westbound.
The lowest priority should be the segment from GA 11 to U.S. 78. Traffic on that segment still flows pretty smoothly in spite of the two signalized intersections and nine at-grade crossings. Part of it is because Barrow County has never fucked around with the timing of the traffic signal at GA 53, like they have with other signals on the highway.
Why is US 221 signed East and West between US 1 at Wrens to I-20 at Harlem? I thought it was a typical error, but all reassurance shields going NB have both US 221 and SR 47 as going West! Even the new roundabout south of I-20 has a diagramical sign showing both routes heading west.
The map shows the route going from SW to NE and even if SR 47 is signed E-W it makes more of a circle than a E-W directional heading.
I found all the button copy in Georgia. GA 141 service roads.
I found some of the alternatives being studied for the I-16/Jimmy Deloach Pkwy reconstruction. Personally I like the DDI.
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Quote from: Georgia on September 09, 2019, 01:15:09 AM
Quote from: Tomahawkin on September 06, 2019, 02:37:27 PM
Anyone know the Estimated completion of the 400/285 interchange? Driving by it this week, it still looks like another 18 months until completion at the earliest because of the task of having to blast throw all that rock that is adjacent to 285 and Peachtree Dunwoody road...
according to the GDOT website for the project(yes, i knoooooow), sometime in 2020, but it has to be late '20 at best. lot of work left to go.
http://www.dot.ga.gov/BS/Projects/SpecialProjects/I285SR400
Anytime in 2020 is ridiculous. The entire 400 mainline is to cross
under 285, with new bridges carrying 285 over. They can't be built until the 285 CD's are built as a detour, and the CD's can't be built until the existing 400 southbound bridge is removed. That can't happen until the southbound 400 CD bridge is built as a detour. I'll be surprised if it opens in 2021.
Quote from: Eth on September 06, 2019, 07:48:51 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on September 06, 2019, 04:21:16 PM
Despite converting the Interstates to mileage-based exit numbers in 2000, SR-400 and the Albany bypass still have sequential exit numbers. I assume there are no plans to convert either road to mileage-based exit numbers. The Albany bypass could keep the numbers as-is, but I really think GA-400 should convert to mile-based.
They did, however, convert the Athens Perimeter in 2004 (https://web.archive.org/web/20060513055141/http://www.dot.state.ga.us/specialsubjects/roadconstruction/sr10/index.shtml). Not sure why that didn't carry over to any of the other non-Interstate freeways, but I agree that it should.
It's because non-Interstates in Georgia are mileposted by county. Milepost numbers on the Albany bypass would be nonsensical. I really don't understand why they don't go to full-length mileposting and the appropriate exit numbers on 400, though.
Did we talk about this? US 29 was moved out of downtown Lawrenceville a few months ago. Northbound, it now turns left onto the Lawrenceville-Suwanee Road extension, then right onto GA 120, then left onto 316. Most of the route is decently signed by GDOT standards EXCEPT that they forgot to sign the turns between 120 and Lawrenceville-Suwanee in either direction, which pretty well screws the whole concept. Also, while this ought to have lead to the demise of the remaining button copy signs for the GA 120 exit from 316, they're still there. And in horrible shape, having lost virtually all of their reflectivity. Perhaps they could be left up if GDOT ever gets around to installing new signage. It's not as though they'd be distracting to drivers or anything.
Quote from: Tom958 on October 28, 2019, 09:21:56 PM
Did we talk about this? US 29 was moved out of downtown Lawrenceville a few months ago. Northbound, it now turns left onto the Lawrenceville-Suwanee Road extension, then right onto GA 120, then left onto 316. Most of the route is decently signed by GDOT standards {b]EXCEPT[/b] that they forgot to sign the turns between 120 and Lawrenceville-Suwanee in either direction, which pretty well screws the whole concept. Also, while this ought to have lead to the demise of the remaining button copy signs for the GA 120 exit from 316, they're still there. And in horrible shape, having lost virtually all of their reflectivity. Perhaps they could be left up if GDOT ever gets around to installing new signage. It's not as though they'd be distracting to drivers or anything.
Welp, looks like I've gotta go reclinch that bit of US 29. The Lawrenceville-Suwanee Rd part, anyway, I already have the rest of it.
Am I correct that the old route through town has been removed from the state highway system entirely? What's the status of GA 120 past 316, does it have a hanging end in downtown Lawrenceville now?
Quote from: Eth on October 28, 2019, 10:04:38 PM
Welp, looks like I've gotta go reclinch that bit of US 29. The Lawrenceville-Suwanee Rd part, anyway, I already have the rest of it.
Am I correct that the old route through town has been removed from the state highway system entirely? What's the status of GA 120 past 316, does it have a hanging end in downtown Lawrenceville now?
It's been removed. Be careful on Lawrenceville-Suwanee Road. It features a tricky compound curve. That thrie beam median barrier isn't there for decoration.
When they moved US 29, did they move SR 8 as well?
Quote from: Tom958 on October 28, 2019, 09:21:56 PM
Did we talk about this? US 29 was moved out of downtown Lawrenceville a few months ago. Northbound, it now turns left onto the Lawrenceville-Suwanee Road extension, then right onto GA 120, then left onto 316. Most of the route is decently signed by GDOT standards EXCEPT that they forgot to sign the turns between 120 and Lawrenceville-Suwanee in either direction, which pretty well screws the whole concept. Also, while this ought to have lead to the demise of the remaining button copy signs for the GA 120 exit from 316, they're still there. And in horrible shape, having lost virtually all of their reflectivity. Perhaps they could be left up if GDOT ever gets around to installing new signage. It's not as though they'd be distracting to drivers or anything.
I need to take a picture of those old button-copy signs on GA 316 before they're replaced.
OT Anyone familiar with the gas station chain Buc'ees??? They are set to open its first location in the Warner Robbins area in early 2021. I love Buc'ees! It puts QT to shame! They are supposed to sell their Texas BBQ at their locations...
Buc-ee's is awesome. Their BBQ is good. I love their beef jerky. The probably have the lowest fountain drink prices I've ever seen for current times. I always stop at the one next to Texas Motor Speedway (at I-35W & TX-114) when making road trips down to the Dallas area. They just opened a new location in Royse City just East of Dallas on I-30. That's the fifth location in the Dallas-Fort Worth area.
I wish they would build one of those mega stores here in Oklahoma. I can think of a few good locations in the OKC and Tulsa areas. A Buc-ee's store along I-35 in the Thackerville area, near the giant WinStar Casino might be a good idea.
I think Buc-ee's needs to build a few stores farther West in Texas too. If they can build a huge location at the turn-off from I-10 to Gulf Shores, Alabama they could certainly build a store on I-40 in Amarillo or I-10 in El Paso.
They are building one in Leeds, AL off of 20 also. Cant wait, love the one in Foley and stop there when I drive on 10.
I heard about the one in Leeds. Do you know when its due to open? That's a perfect fill up spot between Atlanta and Memphis. I wish they would build one off of IH 22 that area in NW Alabama could use the revenue/jobs it could bring to those towns
There is a Buc-ee's planned for I-95 and iGolf Parkway (that's International Golf Parkway for you non-area residents), as part of the whole World Commerce Center/World Golf Village area of nearby St. Johns County. Apparently, there have been plans to add HOT lanes between the I-95 Southbank-San Marco interchange complex area and this part of the metropolitan area (aka the First Coast, NE FL, SE GA, etc). It appears that this HOT lane project will be built in phases, with the SR 202 interchange being the halfway point.
There's also gonna be a Buc-ee's in Calhoun.
Yes!!! Do you know when it is set to open? Looks like I will be going through Nashvegas on my annual trip to Memphis starting in a few years. Thanks for the 411
This will be really interesting to see, I've never heard of a travel stop with a scale quite like this before (in terms of the size of the property, and with so many fuel pumps), this is massive. I also like hearing about the good quality of the facilities, and the offering of good foods, so this sounds pretty cool.
Quote from: Tom958 on November 15, 2019, 05:02:46 PM
There's also gonna be a Buc-ee's in Calhoun.
Interesting to hear one of these will be opening up in my neck of the woods (as I live in nearby Dalton), I'll have to check it out once it's opened.
Also on I-75's Exit 310 in Calhoun GA (Union Grove Rd.), (which sounds like will hold the Calhoun location of Buc-ee's), I saw that it appeared a new Love's Truck Stop was under construction there (on the northeast side of the exit) the last time I passed through. That is a new interchange anyway (up until a few years ago, it was just a overpass over the interstate with no exit), and there's a whole lot of industrial activity nearby, so that is the happening place for new development. It's very interesting to see all of this pop up.
I read a recent article about the history on Buc-ee's. Georgia figures pretty strong in the company's expansion plans outside Texas. Details aren't 100% solid yet, but they are planning on at least six Buc-ee's locations in Georgia -with most being not too far a drive outside Atlanta.
From an earlier trip I took this year to clinch US-1 in Georgia, it appears that GA-4 ALT has been decommissioned in Alma. The shield assemblies posted at the US-1/23 junctions have been removed, and there was no reassurance signage along Dixon St. I also checked the 2018 city map for Alma, and Dixon St isn't labeled as GA-4 ALT either.
GMSV:
Northern terminus: 2013 (https://www.google.com/maps/@31.5550484,-82.4664262,3a,15y,184.68h,87.18t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sPOEvTxK9T37G3L4xGWMsaA!2e0!5s20130401T000000!7i13312!8i6656) / 2018 (https://goo.gl/maps/yqTfBx3AoebDQgwe9)
Southern terminus: 2013 (https://goo.gl/maps/7xPy7hpj3Anrg3ti7) / 2018 (https://goo.gl/maps/kuWNj6ywQNwcEDBD7)
City map (http://www.dot.ga.gov/DriveSmart/MapsData/Documents/CityMaps/Alma_BaconCounty.pdf)
Georgia DOT has scheduled a public information open house on Tuesday, December 3, for the proposed single-point urban interchange at I-20 and SR 20 / 138 in Conyers. The $66 million dollar project is budgeted for construction in 2024.
In addition to converting the interchange into a SPUI, the project includes an I-20 WB access ramp off Dogwood Drive and widening SR 20 / 138 to eight travel lanes in the vicinity of the interchange.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191123/8ea421206add0436a7f0d70a125289d9.jpg)
The Metropolitan Planning Commission presented the four options for rebuilding the interchange at I-95 and Airways Ave/Pooler Pkwy. Out of the four options presented, the 4th option to build flyover ramps scored the best. IMO, it makes the most sense as well.
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I drove US 41/US 19 a few day's a go because 75 South was a mess.
My question is have GDOT ever looked at making the corridor to Griffin a freeway with interchanges?
SM-G950U
GDOT is not going to do anything with US 19/41 south of Lovejoy and points south due to the fact that is a heavily developed suburban area. IMO, IH 75 should be 8-10 lanes from Atlanta to Macon, especially to handle the truck and vacation traffic on Route to and from Florida. Its better to be proactive than reactive. Driving 75 from Macon to Florida is no picnic either with all of the truck traffic
Quote from: ibthebigd on December 29, 2019, 07:02:16 AM
I drove US 41/US 19 a few day's a go because 75 South was a mess.
My question is have GDOT ever looked at making the corridor to Griffin a freeway with interchanges? SM-G950U
Yes. The freeway conversion project on PIB was a demonstration project, with special Federal funding. There were two other candidates for that funding: Memorial Drive outside of 285, which was ridiculous, and Tara Boulevard, a.k.a. US 19-41, which would've been more appropriate as a demonstration project than PIB. I'm sure that there's a set of conceptual plans lying around somewhere.
I'm from Indiana and what different agencies have done north of Indianapolis in Carmel would go well between I-75 and Griffin.
SM-G950U
Does US 19 still have a max speed limit of 55 thru Central and Southern Georgia? It's been a few years since I have been on it. I know that many 4 lane divided highways in South Georgia are 65 such as US 27, US 82, US 84, US 341.
Yes it was 65 to Leesburg most of the way I'm wondering if they will bypass a few more of the cities between Griffin and Albany.
SM-G950U
Quote from: ibthebigd on December 29, 2019, 07:02:16 AM
I drove US 41/US 19 a few day's a go because 75 South was a mess.
My question is have GDOT ever looked at making the corridor to Griffin a freeway with interchanges?
The 2012 Atlanta region T-SPLOST included funds to construct a "super arterial" on US 19/41 with ten lanes including frontage roads for a couple miles, but as many will recall, that referendum failed. The concept has not been touched since then to my knowledge.
Georgia DOT has an ongoing study looking at intersection and operational improvements on US 19/41 in Clayton County. The most recent presentation is from a year ago and previewed various small-scale improvements that could be implemented.
Presentation: http://www.dot.ga.gov/BuildSmart/Studies/Documents/Tara%20Boulevard%20Study/TaraStakeholder3.pdf
Quote from: Tomahawkin on December 29, 2019, 09:32:36 AM
IMO, IH 75 should be 8-10 lanes from Atlanta to Macon, especially to handle the truck and vacation traffic on Route to and from Florida. Its better to be proactive than reactive.
Georgia DOT's truck lanes project will add two northbound lanes from I-475 in Macon to Henry County. The planned northern terminus is currently south of McDonough but GDOT has stated in recent weeks they are considering an extension to I-675. Construction is scheduled to start in 2024 with lanes opening in 2028.
The state has also expressed long range goals to construct southbound truck lanes. The corridor would be a minimum of ten lanes wide if those are built.
That's good information. I remember the stretch of 475 being heavily conjested with truck traffic. I wish GDOT would widen US 27 from IH 20 to the Florida line as a way for trucks to completely bypass Atlanta coming from points west en route to Florida...
Quote from: Tomahawkin on December 30, 2019, 09:21:56 AM
That's good information. I remember the stretch of 475 being heavily conjested with truck traffic. I wish GDOT would widen US 27 from IH 20 to the Florida line as a way for trucks to completely bypass Atlanta coming from points west en route to Florida...
Aside from a section between Summerville and Gore over Taylor Ridge, and from Lagrange to north of Columbus, US 27 is four-laned its entire length in the state. Widening it from Lagrange to Columbus would be redundant with I-185 close by; there just needs to be a direct connection from I-185's northern end to the end of the divided highway north of Lagrange.
Widening US 27 over Taylor Ridge near Summerville is another kettle of fish, right now GDOT is having trouble keeping the current 3 lanes open due to pavement damage.
Quote from: Ga293 on January 03, 2020, 02:03:59 PM
Widening it from Lagrange to Columbus would be redundant with I-185 close by; there just needs to be a direct connection from I-185's northern end to the end of the divided highway north of Lagrange.
The interchange at I-185 and I-85 has dead-end ramps for a northern extension, but nothing is planned. There's a three-part LaGrange bypass scheduled to start construction in 2025-2026.
Project 0014077: http://www.dot.ga.gov/applications/geopi/Pages/Dashboard.aspx?ProjectID=0014077
Project 0014078: http://www.dot.ga.gov/applications/geopi/Pages/Dashboard.aspx?ProjectID=0014078
Project 0014079: http://www.dot.ga.gov/applications/geopi/Pages/Dashboard.aspx?ProjectID=0014079
I always wondered why IH 185 wasn't extended north to take over U.S. 27. I know several truck drivers who use US 27 from IH 20 due South en route to Florida as a way to bypass Atlanta and its suburbs that now extend as far west as Temple GA...
I came through Snellville on GA 124 northbound yesterday and noticed an LGS lying on the ground, apparently awaiting installation. Then a friend posted some other stuff about signage at the US 78-GA 124 intersection, so I decided to go back and have another look, and... wow. Another bud says that the LGS has been installed, taken down, and now installed again, and that people often try to make that dangerous, illegal right turn. We both notified GDOT District 1 about this, so hopefully it'll be corrected promptly.
(https://i.imgur.com/xiKZKCM.jpg)
I find exit 90 on I-20 in Covington to be pretty interesting. When was this configuration built?
In most cases a loop ramp takes you around roughly 270 degrees to make a left turn, but here there's a loop that takes you around 360 degrees to continue straight (relative to the direction you were going) / make a slight right turn (relative to the freeway)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200121/8197ddc9d164adacddc63f9354d86d8c.jpg)
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Quote from: Buck87 on January 21, 2020, 08:58:02 AM
I find exit 90 on I-20 in Covington to be pretty interesting. When was this configuration built?
GDOT's map archive for Newton County indicates that this loop ramp was built sometime between 1987 and 1994, though in 1994 it was still just a 270-degree ramp ending in a T-intersection. The "full" loop was completed sometime between 1994 and 2009 (why do they have a 15-year gap between maps? grr).
Quote from: Eth on January 21, 2020, 09:31:54 AM
Quote from: Buck87 on January 21, 2020, 08:58:02 AM
I find exit 90 on I-20 in Covington to be pretty interesting. When was this configuration built?
GDOT's map archive for Newton County indicates that this loop ramp was built sometime between 1987 and 1994, though in 1994 it was still just a 270-degree ramp ending in a T-intersection. The "full" loop was completed sometime between 1994 and 2009 (why do they have a 15-year gap between maps? grr).
Per Historic Aerials, it looks like it was under construction in 1988: https://www.historicaerials.com/location/33.60698126960075/-83.87673289131446/1988/16
Quote from: US 89 on January 21, 2020, 01:09:11 PM
Quote from: Eth on January 21, 2020, 09:31:54 AM
Quote from: Buck87 on January 21, 2020, 08:58:02 AM
I find exit 90 on I-20 in Covington to be pretty interesting. When was this configuration built?
GDOT's map archive for Newton County indicates that this loop ramp was built sometime between 1987 and 1994, though in 1994 it was still just a 270-degree ramp ending in a T-intersection. The "full" loop was completed sometime between 1994 and 2009 (why do they have a 15-year gap between maps? grr).
Per Historic Aerials, it looks like it was under construction in 1988: https://www.historicaerials.com/location/33.60698126960075/-83.87673289131446/1988/16
And the 1994 map was apparently incorrect, since the 1993 aerial imagery shows the full loop as it exists today.
I wonder how many vehicles a day go on 75 to or from Florida.
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Driving to and from Florida to Atlanta on I 75 I've noticed the traffic gets bad in Henry County around exit 212. Maybe it's just the nature of sprawl in a once rural area, but it seems the exit wasn't built to handle the traffic. The exit needs to be redone to handle more traffic so it doesn't back up I 75.
Quote from: Jaxrunner on January 24, 2020, 02:54:15 PM
Driving to and from Florida to Atlanta on I 75 I've noticed the traffic gets bad in Henry County around exit 212. Maybe it's just the nature of sprawl in a once rural area, but it seems the exit wasn't built to handle the traffic. The exit needs to be redone to handle more traffic so it doesn't back up I 75.
I-75 exit 212 / Bill Gardner Parkway and one exit north, SR 155 / mile 216, are limited in their options to be expanded because they are built as underpasses, and in the case of SR 155, an adjacent parallel railroad really restricts options.
Georgia DOT and the city of Locust Grove have a new exit planned at Bethlehem Road / mile 214. The goal is to open the exit alongside GDOT's commercial vehicle lanes in 2028.
More info: https://movinghenryforward.org/major-projects/i-75-new-interchange/
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I found a diagram over at GDOT's website for the planned DDI at Bradley Park Drive. I'm not sure when construction will begin, but lighting will be added to the interchange.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49514703727_a86d8b65af_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2irrNmp)Bradley Park Dr/J.R. Allen Pkwy DDI-Columbus,GA (https://flic.kr/p/2irrNmp) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
A developer wants the City of Savannah to pay for a new interchange at Veterans Pkwy to serve a new industrial park. The proposal is nothing new, a similar plan was proposed for the site shortly before the Great Recession. Under the new plan the City of Savannah would annex 1,000-acres of land and provide up to $38 million in bonds to provide infrastructure, including a new interchange on Veterans Pkwy. When fully built out it will have 10 million sq ft of space and provide 1,500-2,000 jobs. The property is currently the largest developable tract left in Chatham County. The proposal to annex the tract goes before the city council tomorrow.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49523784556_45e58e72f8_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2isfkLq)Rockingham Farms Industrial Park-Savannah (https://flic.kr/p/2isfkLq) by brandon walker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125122378@N05/), on Flickr
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on January 27, 2020, 03:30:13 PM
Quote from: Buck87 on January 21, 2020, 08:58:02 AM
I find exit 90 on I-20 in Covington to be pretty interesting. When was this configuration built?
In most cases a loop ramp takes you around roughly 270 degrees to make a left turn, but here there's a loop that takes you around 360 degrees to continue straight (relative to the direction you were going) / make a slight right turn (relative to the freeway)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200121/8197ddc9d164adacddc63f9354d86d8c.jpg)
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I have also always found that interchange to be incredibly fascinating. The way all of those ramps are configured is endlessly intriguing to me.
There's something similar to this in Kentucky, where US 41 has a junction with the north end of the Pennyrile Parkway; northbound 41 traffic goes through what ends up being a 360-degree loop:
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.824549,-87.5654711,16.21z
QuoteThe purpose of this study is to document and determine the need for an potential extension of SR 400 from its current terminus at SR 60/SR 115 in Dahlonega in Lumpkin County to the Cleveland Bypass in White County. Georgia DOT has partnered with Lumpkin and White counties to review methods to increase accessibility and ease of travel within the area while addressing safety and geometric concerns along the SR 115 corridor.
SR 400 Extension Study (http://www.dot.ga.gov/BS/Studies/SR400Ext)
Quote from: afguy on February 12, 2020, 10:01:54 PM
QuoteThe purpose of this study is to document and determine the need for an potential extension of SR 400 from its current terminus at SR 60/SR 115 in Dahlonega in Lumpkin County to the Cleveland Bypass in White County. Georgia DOT has partnered with Lumpkin and White counties to review methods to increase accessibility and ease of travel within the area while addressing safety and geometric concerns along the SR 115 corridor.
SR 400 Extension Study (http://www.dot.ga.gov/BS/Studies/SR400Ext)
GDOT needs to add interchanges up to GA 53 in Dawsonville first, and any northward extension should be planned in conjunction with an interchange at U.S. 19 and GA 60 near Dahlonega.
Quote from: Gnutella on February 13, 2020, 04:11:07 AM
Quote from: afguy on February 12, 2020, 10:01:54 PM
QuoteThe purpose of this study is to document and determine the need for an potential extension of SR 400 from its current terminus at SR 60/SR 115 in Dahlonega in Lumpkin County to the Cleveland Bypass in White County. Georgia DOT has partnered with Lumpkin and White counties to review methods to increase accessibility and ease of travel within the area while addressing safety and geometric concerns along the SR 115 corridor.
SR 400 Extension Study (http://www.dot.ga.gov/BS/Studies/SR400Ext)
GDOT needs to add interchanges up to GA 53 in Dawsonville first, and any northward extension should be planned in conjunction with an interchange at U.S. 19 and GA 60 near Dahlonega.
Considering the speed at which they're adding interchanges on GA 316, they'll finish that about 2080 or so.
Does anyone know when Georgia stopped using demountable copy on guide signs, or if it was ever a regular spec at all?
Freewayjim does a tour of Atlanta and yes its because of shelter in place orders due to the light traffic
Thanks for posting this. I hope more people follow Freeway Jim on YouTube
Quote from: Tomahawkin on April 27, 2020, 11:45:23 AM
Thanks for posting this. I hope more people follow Freeway Jim on YouTube
Arse.
Is Georgia Highway 110 one whole route, or is it in considered to be two disjointed segments? There are no signs on US 17 to show continuity and both segments are signs E-W but opposing each other. If you head east on GA 110 from GA 40, you end at US 17 in Woodbine. Assume it concurs with US 17 North to where it branches off to US 82, it is now signed west and not east like before.
So being that GDOT has no problem signing state routes with US routes and does not in Camden County, then I assume its two segments but one route.
Quote from: roadman65 on May 23, 2020, 08:57:36 PM
Is Georgia Highway 110 one whole route, or is it in considered to be two disjointed segments? There are no signs on US 17 to show continuity and both segments are signs E-W but opposing each other. If you head east on GA 110 from GA 40, you end at US 17 in Woodbine. Assume it concurs with US 17 North to where it branches off to US 82, it is now signed west and not east like before.
So being that GDOT has no problem signing state routes with US routes and does not in Camden County, then I assume its two segments but one route.
GDOT's official Camden County map from 2019 (http://www.dot.ga.gov/DriveSmart/MapsData/Documents/CountyMaps/Camden.pdf) shows GA 110 as continuous along US 17/GA 25. Certainly odd that it isn't signed that way in the field, though.
As far as I know, the state has only three non-continuous routes: GA 28 (joined by SC 28), GA 94 (joined by one of the segments of FL 2), and GA 177 (gap through the Okefenokee Swamp).
I see Folkston holds a record of most signed routes on one roadway! The totem pole on SR 23 & 121 at US 1, 23, & 301 with both SR 4 &15 is quite impressive.
GA 316 UPDATES
There's finally some movement on the GA 81 interchange again. They've laid down the rest of the concrete for the westbound off-ramp, and they've begun laying down concrete for the eastbound on-ramp. I hope this interchange opens soon. It's taken much longer than I figured it'd take.
The Harbins Road intersection has been temporarily aligned east of its former alignment, and progress seems to be rapid. They're already constructing the overpass piers and retaining wall on the eastbound side of GA 316. There also appears to be work underway to tie the eastern Sugarloaf Parkway interchange into the Harbins Road interchange, which is good, given the spacing.
A few months ago, I took a drive down Patrick Mill Road in western Barrow County and noticed that construction has begun on a segment of the West Winder Bypass. Judging by satellite images, it appears that the segment of the bypass from the historic Carlyle-Blakey Farm over the CSX Railroad tracks to the point where it joins the existing Patrick Mill Road alignment is now under construction, and trees are being cleared along the segment of Patrick Mill Road from the bypass construction site to a point about a quarter of a mile north of GA 316.
I thought the GA 11 interchange would be the next to begin, but to my surprise, they're preparing the GA 53 interchange now. Trees have been cleared where the interchange footprint will be. I'm not sure what the holdup is for GA 11, but I hope construction commences there soon, given that it's a much worse bottleneck than GA 53 has ever been.
With the GA 81 interchange closer to opening, I really hope that a Carl-Bethlehem Road overpass becomes a higher priority, since the delays on GA 316 will just shift from GA 81 to Carl-Bethlehem Road. With the GA 81 and Harbins Road bypasses currently under construction, and the West Winder Bypass interchange under construction soon, a Carl-Bethlehem Road overpass would make Kilcrease Road the only signalized intersection on GA 316 between Lawrenceville Highway and GA 11.
Also, for the sake of safety, I hope a Harry McCarty Road overpass becomes a higher priority, since it's an un-signalized intersection that's had a significant increase in traffic with the construction of the GA 81 interchange and the commercial development nearby. I fear that a fatal crash at that intersection is imminent.
I thought these type of signs with the exit numbers inside the panel were all replaced?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/50048359948/in/dateposted-public/
I thought the MUTCD requirements made GDOT replace the signs with external tabs aligned to the right. I guess not then.
Quote from: roadman65 on June 26, 2020, 10:36:37 PM
I thought these type of signs with the exit numbers inside the panel were all replaced?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/50048359948/in/dateposted-public/
I thought the MUTCD requirements made GDOT replace the signs with external tabs aligned to the right. I guess not then.
It's a gradual process.
Quote from: roadman65 on June 26, 2020, 10:36:37 PM
I thought these type of signs with the exit numbers inside the panel were all replaced?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/50048359948/in/dateposted-public/
I thought the MUTCD requirements made GDOT replace the signs with external tabs aligned to the right. I guess not then.
The replacement process started about 12 years ago, but isn't finished yet. These old-style signs are probably in the minority now, but by no means rare.
Quote from: Eth on June 27, 2020, 11:51:22 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on June 26, 2020, 10:36:37 PM
I thought these type of signs with the exit numbers inside the panel were all replaced?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/50048359948/in/dateposted-public/
I thought the MUTCD requirements made GDOT replace the signs with external tabs aligned to the right. I guess not then.
The replacement process started about 12 years ago, but isn't finished yet. These old-style signs are probably in the minority now, but by no means rare.
I always loved those signs, because they made GA unique compared to other states in that they were the only ones to use Series D, whereas others used Series E(M), and most recently, Clearview (which the Peach State won't be doing anytime soon, thank goodness).
Do you know what I've noticed on I-95 at Exit 42? No control Cities:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Georgia_I95nb_Exit_42.jpg
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Georgia_I95sb_Exit_42.jpg
https://www.google.com/maps/@31.2942187,-81.4835733,3a,75y,24.69h,94.64t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQffIWUyfNDvHQNmuBUAwCw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en
Really? They can't use Anguilla and Broadfield?
This interchange has never had control cities on the signs--even when I-95 originally opened through there. The first time I passed through that area was 1975. The original sign had an EXIT tab without a number, which was the norm back then as I-95 was not completely finished in Georgia (from the Hardeeville, SC interchange to either US 80 or GA 21 was not opened as well as from US 25/US 341 in Brunswick to GA Conn 25 near Woodbine). Plus that section was four lanes instead of the eight?!? (why?, it is just a bit odd having eight lanes there) that is there now.
I agree that Broadfield and Darien should be used NB and either Sterling or Anguilla could be used SB.
Quote from: D-Dey65 on July 08, 2020, 05:54:19 PM
Do you know what I've noticed on I-95 at Exit 42? No control Cities:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Georgia_I95nb_Exit_42.jpg
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Georgia_I95sb_Exit_42.jpg
https://www.google.com/maps/@31.2942187,-81.4835733,3a,75y,24.69h,94.64t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQffIWUyfNDvHQNmuBUAwCw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en
Really? They can't use Anguilla and Broadfield?
I posted a pic of that a few weeks ago in this thread. Yes, Broadfield and even Stirling would work. Plus the sign is way too big for one shield. In Florida we have SR 33 in Polk County that has no control cities either, but a sign that fits.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/50052982181/in/album-72157625374926908/
Then the other GA 99 interchange uses Townsend Road over Townsend, which is more strange as Elonia is listed as a town, so why not be consistent. Plus the latest MUTCD frowns upon cities and street names on one guide sign.https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/5172341292/in/album-72157625374926908/
Also for years the northbound South Newport Exit had only Coastal Hwy. on it yet southbound it always had South Newport. Again that is strange, but knowing the history of the freeway construction of I-95 the part from South Newport to Richmond Hill was incomplete and I-95 was completed on both sides so the South Newport was added by the engineers who worked on that part of I-95 in the late 70's while the contract that did I-95 from South Newport to Brunswick thought the Coastal Highway was a good choice for a control city.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/5172341670/in/album-72157625374926908/
Nowadays Coastal Highway is hardly used but the US 17 exit at Richmond Hill still uses it even after the signs were replaced when the freeway was 6 laned in 2002-2003.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/5171740243/in/album-72157625374926908/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/50147156683/in/dateposted-public/
The new mileposts along GA 35 in Tift County are the same as the interstates now.
You know, the overhead sign at Exit 1 on I-95 ought to be replaced by something like this:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:I-85_North_SC_-_Exit_1_-_SC11_Walhalla_(42397990641).jpg
The last time I saw it is now a Welcome Center and not a Tourist Info Center. I-75 still has its one in Lake Park as a Tourist Info Center.
Quote from: roadman65 on August 08, 2020, 10:54:20 PM
The last time I saw it is now a Welcome Center and not a Tourist Info Center. I-75 still has its one in Lake Park as a Tourist Info Center.
Gee, I never said the one in St. Mary's, Georgia wasn't a welcome center. I just tried to suggest the existing sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.7538319,-81.6511171,3a,75y,13.07h,91.88t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spKat74gI3fNLtBjJML_-SA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en) should have a green top with an Exit 1 tab reading "Saint Marys Road."
Hey, what are the going to replace the trees they cleared away with?
Just saw from GDOTs website that a DDI will be made at SH 20 over interstate 75 in Henry County. That interchange has needed a major overhaul for over 10 years IMO. I Hope this gets started within the next year
Quote from: afguy on October 24, 2018, 07:12:10 PM
Another update on the I-16/I-95 Interchange project. According to a news story on WSAV, instead of building two flyover ramps, GDOT will be a turbine interchange. It will be the first of its kind in Georgia and will be similar to the I-85/I-485 interchange in Charlotte,NC.
QuoteRenditions show those plans have slightly changed. Instead of replacing existing ramps with flyover ramps, the construction company -- Reeves Construction Company -- is now building a turbine ramp.
It's the first of its kind in the state of Georgia and a way to reduce costs.
https://www.wsav.com/news/local-news/exclusive-important-changes-new-artist-rendition-of-i16-i95-interchange-project/1546291473 (https://www.wsav.com/news/local-news/exclusive-important-changes-new-artist-rendition-of-i16-i95-interchange-project/1546291473)
Is it just me, or does anybody else think it might cost less money to have embankments for those new ramps, so that GDOT won't have to blow a budget maintaining those big, long bridges?
Quote from: Henry on June 30, 2020, 09:48:43 PM
Quote from: Eth on June 27, 2020, 11:51:22 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on June 26, 2020, 10:36:37 PM
I thought these type of signs with the exit numbers inside the panel were all replaced?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/50048359948/in/dateposted-public/
I love Georgia big fat lettering on the overheads. Now if we could get them to reembrace cantilevered supports rather than single signs held up on both sides of America's widest freeways. It engineering taken back to the stone ages.
I thought the MUTCD requirements made GDOT replace the signs with external tabs aligned to the right. I guess not then.
The replacement process started about 12 years ago, but isn't finished yet. These old-style signs are probably in the minority now, but by no means rare.
I always loved those signs, because they made GA unique compared to other states in that they were the only ones to use Series D, whereas others used Series E(M), and most recently, Clearview (which the Peach State won't be doing anytime soon, thank goodness).
GA 316 UPDATES
The GA 81 interchange is almost complete. The overpass has opened to traffic, as have the westbound off-ramp and eastbound on-ramp. Carl-Bethlehem Road is the temporary detour for eastbound GA 316 traffic to access GA 81, and southbound GA 81 traffic to access GA 316, while the final pieces of the eastbound off-ramp and westbound on-ramp are completed. Oddly, the interchange has been numbered Exit 5. Why not Exit 24?
It appears that the Harbins Road interchange will involve collector/distributor lanes. A set of bridge piers have been built in the median of GA 316, but another set of bridge piers has been built off the outer shoulder of the eastbound lanes, with the retaining wall another 30' or so beyond them.
A LOT of trees have been cleared in the vicinity of GA 11, and a large embankment has been built on the eastbound side of GA 316. The clear-cutting has exposed a small frontage road on the westbound side that follows the lay of the land, apparently named Wise Men Lane. The plan is to extend Exchange Boulevard east from Harry McCarty Road to GA 11 as a frontage road.
Not much seems to have happened at GA 53 in recent weeks, though gravel has been put down where the eastbound off-ramp will go.
GDOT really needs to build overpasses for Carl-Bethlehem Road and Harry McCarty Road. It'd allow for fully-controlled access on GA 316 between Kilcrease Road to the west and Harrison Mill Road to the east, a distance of about eight miles.
I have been saying this for 15 years: GA 316 needs to be 8 lanes all the way to Athens. Those outdated bridges in the Duluth/Lawrenceville area need to be rebuilt! I dont know why GDOT has been so stubborn on improving SR 316, Ditto for IH 575
Quote from: Gnutella on September 24, 2020, 10:32:33 PMOddly, the interchange has been numbered Exit 5. Why not Exit 24?
Huh, I didn't realize they were numbering them at all. Certainly exit 5 wouldn't make any sense at all; even assuming sequential numbering
a la GA 400 and only counting existing interchanges, surely that would make it exit 6, would it not?
- I-85 (no number)
- Boggs Rd (no number because access is really from I-85)
1. Sugarloaf Pkwy (west side)
2. Riverside Pkwy
3. GA 120
4. Collins Hill Rd/GA 20/GA 124
- several at-grades that I'll assume to be unnumbered
5. Sugarloaf Pkwy (east side)
- several more at-grades
6. GA 81
Right?
Quote from: Tomahawkin on September 25, 2020, 08:38:19 AM
I have been saying this for 15 years: GA 316 needs to be 8 lanes all the way to Athens. Those outdated bridges in the Duluth/Lawrenceville area need to be rebuilt! I dont know why GDOT has been so stubborn on improving SR 316, Ditto for IH 575
I think GDOT is upgrading GA 316 the right way, albeit very slowly. Access control is a higher priority than capacity right now, because access control will make the highway much safer and help traffic to flow much more smoothly, regardless of how many lanes it carries. Widening the highway comes last, after major intersections are upgraded to interchanges, and minor intersections are upgraded to overpasses.
As for outdated bridges in Lawrenceville, the only ones that are are the GA 120 and Herrington Road overpasses, and the mainline bridges over the Yellow River at the Riverside Drive interchange. All of them were built in 1960, except for the GA 120 overpass, which was built in 1979.
As for the number of lanes, I'd say eight lanes from I-85 to Harbins Road, six lanes from Harbins Road to U.S. 78, and eight lanes from U.S. 78 to the Athens Perimeter. Come to think of it, reconfiguring the GA 316/Athens Perimeter/Oconee Connector tangle is going to be a major undertaking too.
I thought sequential numbering wasn't allowed anymore for new exit numbers?
Quote from: Gnutella on September 25, 2020, 12:34:17 PM
Quote from: Tomahawkin on September 25, 2020, 08:38:19 AM
I have been saying this for 15 years: GA 316 needs to be 8 lanes all the way to Athens. Those outdated bridges in the Duluth/Lawrenceville area need to be rebuilt! I dont know why GDOT has been so stubborn on improving SR 316, Ditto for IH 575
I think GDOT is upgrading GA 316 the right way, albeit very slowly. Access control is a higher priority than capacity right now, because access control will make the highway much safer and help traffic to flow much more smoothly, regardless of how many lanes it carries. Widening the highway comes last, after major intersections are upgraded to interchanges, and minor intersections are upgraded to overpasses.
As for outdated bridges in Lawrenceville, the only ones that are are the GA 120 and Herrington Road overpasses, and the mainline bridges over the Yellow River at the Riverside Drive interchange. All of them were built in 1960, except for the GA 120 overpass, which was built in 1979.
As for the number of lanes, I'd say eight lanes from I-85 to Harbins Road, six lanes from Harbins Road to U.S. 78, and eight lanes from U.S. 78 to the Athens Perimeter. Come to think of it, reconfiguring the GA 316/Athens Perimeter/Oconee Connector tangle is going to be a major undertaking too.
GDOT is bragging about & touting adding a 3rd lane to I-85 not even to Commerce in the Major Mobility Plan like it's a big deal. Other states continuously are improving hundreds of highways at any given time.
I-85 is beyond in need of being at minimum 3 lanes each way to SC. It is heavily travelled at that 4 lane stretch gets backed up to a standstill every holiday weekend.
So GA316 getting extra lanes is wishful thinking and it will be a long wait.
Gas prices are higher in North Georgia than in NC which has one of the highest gas taxes in the country. Where is the money going? Gov. Deal got it raised 10 cents per gallon so now they ought to have enough money to keep up with other states in terms of road improvements.
I attended 2 of the Express Lanes open houses for I-285 and I tell you, every GDOT representative gave me the impression that they work in a vacuum, trying to operate in their own manner, and they seem clueless as to what the rest of the states' are building to address similar issues.
It would behoove them to study and learn what the top tier states do and how they manage and maintain their infrastructure, though I don't think people here realize how much better things are in other states in anything related to state functioning or stewardship.
I-85 through Gwinnett used to be somewhat attractive, and now it's the sloppiest, most cluttered and ugly interstate stretch in the country. I have repeatedly suggested that they cull and replace the number of old, rusting gantries over the roadway because they are just un-necessary blight that makes our few transit corridors look like crap.
And yet no one complains but me.
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Quote from: Gnutella on September 25, 2020, 12:34:17 PM
Quote from: Tomahawkin on September 25, 2020, 08:38:19 AM
I have been saying this for 15 years: GA 316 needs to be 8 lanes all the way to Athens. Those outdated bridges in the Duluth/Lawrenceville area need to be rebuilt! I dont know why GDOT has been so stubborn on improving SR 316, Ditto for IH 575
I think GDOT is upgrading GA 316 the right way, albeit very slowly. Access control is a higher priority than capacity right now, because access control will make the highway much safer and help traffic to flow much more smoothly, regardless of how many lanes it carries. Widening the highway comes last, after major intersections are upgraded to interchanges, and minor intersections are upgraded to overpasses.
As for outdated bridges in Lawrenceville, the only ones that are are the GA 120 and Herrington Road overpasses, and the mainline bridges over the Yellow River at the Riverside Drive interchange. All of them were built in 1960, except for the GA 120 overpass, which was built in 1979.
As for the number of lanes, I'd say eight lanes from I-85 to Harbins Road, six lanes from Harbins Road to U.S. 78, and eight lanes from U.S. 78 to the Athens Perimeter. Come to think of it, reconfiguring the GA 316/Athens Perimeter/Oconee Connector tangle is going to be a major undertaking too.
GDOT is bragging about & touting adding a 3rd lane to I-85 not even to Commerce in the Major Mobility Plan like it's a big deal. Other states continuously are improving hundreds of highways at any given time.
I-85 is beyond in need of being at minimum 3 lanes each way to SC. It is heavily travelled at that 4 lane stretch gets backed up to a standstill every holiday weekend.
So GA316 getting extra lanes is wishful thinking and it will be a long wait.
Gas prices are higher in North Georgia than in NC which has one of the highest gas taxes in the country. Where is the money going? Gov. Deal got it raised 10 cents per gallon so now they ought to have enough money to keep up with other states in terms of road improvements.
I attended 2 of the Express Lanes open houses for I-285 and I tell you, every GDOT representative gave me the impression that they work in a vacuum, trying to operate in their own manner, and they seem clueless as to what the rest of the states' are building to address similar issues.
It would behoove them to study and learn what the top tier states do and how they manage and maintain their infrastructure, though I don't think people here realize how much better things are in other states in anything related to state functioning or stewardship.
I-85 through Gwinnett used to be somewhat attractive, and now it's the sloppiest, most cluttered and ugly interstate stretch in the country. I have repeatedly suggested that they cull and replace the number of old, rusting gantries over the roadway because they are just un-necessary blight that makes our few transit corridors look like crap.
And yet no one complains but me.
I don't use I-85 south of Duluth very often anymore, but one thing I like that they've done in Gwinnett County is put sod in the interchange gores. Sod doesn't have to be cut as often, if at all, and it just looks better than wild grass. It also makes litter pick-up easier. It might be worthwhile to sod grassy medians too.
My major complaint with GDOT is that major highway intersections are poorly signed. GDOT needs to install big green signs at all junctions with Interstate and controlled-access highways, even on unnumbered local roads. They also need to sign arterial junctions with secondary U.S. and/or state routes more clearly. In Alabama and South Carolina, I know exactly where I'm going on secondary routes. Only in Georgia do I lose track of the route I'm on, which is frustrating, especially if I'm trying to "clinch" a secondary route.
architect77 is absolutely right about GDOT, where is the money going? In addition to the increased gas taxes in Georgia, the state also has a $5 per night tax on hotel rooms that is supposed to go to transportation funding, so there should be plenty of money going to GDOT.
Quote from: Gnutella on September 26, 2020, 04:37:06 PM
Quote from: architect77 on September 26, 2020, 03:40:12 PM
Quote from: Gnutella on September 25, 2020, 12:34:17 PM
Quote from: Tomahawkin on September 25, 2020, 08:38:19 AM
I have been saying this for 15 years: GA 316 needs to be 8 lanes all the way to Athens. Those outdated bridges in the Duluth/Lawrenceville area need to be rebuilt! I dont know why GDOT has been so stubborn on improving SR 316, Ditto for IH 575
I think GDOT is upgrading GA 316 the right way, albeit very slowly. Access control is a higher priority than capacity right now, because access control will make the highway much safer and help traffic to flow much more smoothly, regardless of how many lanes it carries. Widening the highway comes last, after major intersections are upgraded to interchanges, and minor intersections are upgraded to overpasses.
As for outdated bridges in Lawrenceville, the only ones that are are the GA 120 and Herrington Road overpasses, and the mainline bridges over the Yellow River at the Riverside Drive interchange. All of them were built in 1960, except for the GA 120 overpass, which was built in 1979.
As for the number of lanes, I'd say eight lanes from I-85 to Harbins Road, six lanes from Harbins Road to U.S. 78, and eight lanes from U.S. 78 to the Athens Perimeter. Come to think of it, reconfiguring the GA 316/Athens Perimeter/Oconee Connector tangle is going to be a major undertaking too.
GDOT is bragging about & touting adding a 3rd lane to I-85 not even to Commerce in the Major Mobility Plan like it's a big deal. Other states continuously are improving hundreds of highways at any given time.
I-85 is beyond in need of being at minimum 3 lanes each way to SC. It is heavily travelled at that 4 lane stretch gets backed up to a standstill every holiday weekend.
So GA316 getting extra lanes is wishful thinking and it will be a long wait.
Gas prices are higher in North Georgia than in NC which has one of the highest gas taxes in the country. Where is the money going? Gov. Deal got it raised 10 cents per gallon so now they ought to have enough money to keep up with other states in terms of road improvements.
I attended 2 of the Express Lanes open houses for I-285 and I tell you, every GDOT representative gave me the impression that they work in a vacuum, trying to operate in their own manner, and they seem clueless as to what the rest of the states' are building to address similar issues.
It would behoove them to study and learn what the top tier states do and how they manage and maintain their infrastructure, though I don't think people here realize how much better things are in other states in anything related to state functioning or stewardship.
I-85 through Gwinnett used to be somewhat attractive, and now it's the sloppiest, most cluttered and ugly interstate stretch in the country. I have repeatedly suggested that they cull and replace the number of old, rusting gantries over the roadway because they are just un-necessary blight that makes our few transit corridors look like crap.
And yet no one complains but me.
I don't use I-85 south of Duluth very often anymore, but one thing I like that they've done in Gwinnett County is put sod in the interchange gores. Sod doesn't have to be cut as often, if at all, and it just looks better than wild grass. It also makes litter pick-up easier. It might be worthwhile to sod grassy medians too.
My major complaint with GDOT is that major highway intersections are poorly signed. GDOT needs to install big green signs at all junctions with Interstate and controlled-access highways, even on unnumbered local roads. They also need to sign arterial junctions with secondary U.S. and/or state routes more clearly. In Alabama and South Carolina, I know exactly where I'm going on secondary routes. Only in Georgia do I lose track of the route I'm on, which is frustrating, especially if I'm trying to "clinch" a secondary route.
I have said the same thing for years and years. It's not something that new residents might notice for the first few years of living here but if they cane from even a moderately prosperous state, then they probably had ctiitical informational overheads on secondary routes when they met interstates., and they probably weren't leaning down to the left of right and noticeably not visually level like 80% are here in Georgia.
I told GDOT many times to make them use the apparatus with the water bubble inside when they erect the overhead structures. Some of the most needed locations for overheads are at Lenox Rd at GA400, the one access point for all of Buckhead. A tiny sign says "SR400" for this super important highway. I guarantee you 50% of drivers couldn't tell you that SR is for "State Road". That is bow some entrances to top end I-285 are signed also off powers Ferry. Most big interchanges with 285 from major thoroughfatres have tiny lane signs with interstate shields & half of them are neglected and faded beyond recognition.
North Carolina has many arrows on overheads that are right-angle shapes that are nowhere to be found here because only interstates have overheads and right-angle arrows aren't ever warranted.
I've gotten many of these replaced over the years after hounding GDOT. The access road up i-85 inside the perimeter got all the overheads replaced because of my repeated requests. The old ones all had faded completely blank, and it was infuriating.
The litter piled up on all entrance and exit ramps is also the worst of any US city. GDOT on the phone admitted they don't pick up trash on I-20 because they say it will be back a week afterwards. Call me crazy but I don't want to live with trash visible everywhere.But humans are weird, other countries have people mired in trash and it doesn't bother them.
So Georgia's junctions and secondaries are under-signed, but yet they idiotically no longer use cantilevered supports so single overhead signs are mounted to gantries supported on both sides of America's widest freeways. This improper and wasteful practice has cluttered up our freeways and ruined what little attractiveness they had. They cost twice as much and impede views of the sky and trees all unnecessarily. 22 gantries through Cobb on I-75 support a single sign. They can't be burdened with inspecting the bolts on cantilevered supports every few years like the rest of the world manages to do, so there we look like our engineering prowess has reverted to the stone ages. It's the opposite of futuristic looking. We are the only state that does this. I hate it.
Quote from: afguy on October 24, 2018, 07:50:24 PM
The groundbreaking for the new I-95/Belfast Keller Road interchange in Richmond Hill was today. The interchange will open in October 2020.
QuoteOfficials broke ground on the long anticipated I-95 Belfast Keller Interchange during a ceremony Wednesday outside the South Bryan Administrative Complex.
Proponents say the $18.9 million project will drive economic development, ease congestion on Highway 144 and improve public safety by giving commuters another route to the interstate.
Work is expected to be complete in October, 2020. The project has been talked about for decades, officials said during Wednesday's ceremony.
"I wasn't sure that I would ever see it happen," former Bryan County Commission Chairman Jimmy Burnsed said. "We ran into so many obstacles. I knew that it would happen one day, but I didn't know that I would be around to see it."
https://www.bryancountynews.com/news/groundbreaking-new-i-95-interchange-belfast-keller/
So, they should be done with it this month?
Why is this thread the only sticky one in the board?
Quote from: Takumi on October 22, 2020, 08:35:28 PM
Why is this thread the only sticky one in the board?
Regional mods decide which threads to sticky. Blame them.
Had to go to Lawrenceville this evening at 5:30pm. Can anyone explain why SR 316 isn't 8 lanes total through Gwinnett county? That route needs a total overhaul with toll lanes. That area is one of the fastest growing areas in the Atlanta metro area...Widening 316 is 20 years overdue, IMO
http://www.dot.ga.gov/AboutGDOT/PublicOutreach led me to...
https://sr-15-sr-10-loop-bridge-replacement-0013716-gdot.hub.arcgis.com/
This is a project to replace the two 1961 bridges at the infamous northeast corner interchange of the Athens Perimeter. Incredibly, the bridges are to be replaced in situ, with the highly unsatisfactory interchange layout apparently to remain as-is. The new bridges will be up to three feet higher than the old ones, partly because the westbound bridge is low enough that it's occasionally hit by trucks (though I see no warning signage on Streetview), partly because the precast concrete beams they intend to use are taller than the steel beams on the existing bridges.
I know it's naive of me to say this, but I'm genuinely appalled that GDOT won't take the opportunity to address this glaring deficiency in the state's highway system. It's certainly true that this is a difficult site: it looks tight in plan, and the situation is complicated by the fact that the north-south mainline slopes upward significantly to the north, with the east-west axis being even higher. Still, it's hard for me to understand why they couldn't at least do away with the connection to Old Hull Road and convert the parclo layout to a trumpet. Once that rubicon is crossed, perhaps there are other layout possibilities, too. And getting more creative with the bridge engineering could only help with dealing with the vertical alignment challenges.
I wish there was a public meeting about this. I'd totally go.
(https://www.arcgis.com/sharing/rest/content/items/6d199bf771ae445fabd03c845b52394e/resources/0013716%20Clarke_Detour%20Location%20Map-page-001.jpg)
I totally agree about GDOT's failure to address state road issues, went by Jimmy Carter Blvd and the DDI at IH 85. The traffic is so bad there it back up to the on ramps resulting into slow ups onto the interstate. That is one among many state routes in Gwinnett that need to be addressed, IMO
GDOT probably prefers to maintain access between 10 Loop (Athens Perimeter) and Old Hull Road due to the location of their Athens office.
Most of the Athens Perimeter needs an overhaul. The entire Perimeter should be six lanes. The North Avenue/Danielsville Road interchange should be downgraded to a diamond. The U.S. 441/Commerce interchange should be upgraded to a SPUI, with two lanes for both off-ramps. The Chase Street and Tallassee Road/Oglethorpe Avenue interchanges need their ramps lengthened. The U.S. 129/Prince Avenue interchange needs its "outer" (westbound) off-ramp lengthened with two lanes for right-turning traffic, and also two lanes for the "inner" (eastbound) on-ramp. The GA 316 and U.S. 29/Old Hull Road interchanges both need complete overhauls. Thankfully, designs for upgrading the Atlanta Highway and U.S. 78/Lexington Road interchanges exist. The only interchanges that don't need any work are U.S. 129/U.S. 441/Watkinsville, Milledge Avenue, College Station Road and Peter Street/Olympic Drive.
Quote from: Gnutella on October 30, 2020, 03:58:53 AM
Most of the Athens Perimeter needs an overhaul. The entire Perimeter should be six lanes.
Ha, I doubt it. In particular, while I'm up in arms about the state of the northeast corner interchange, I must admit that I'm surprised that it functions acceptably at all, with the short weave between the clockwise-to-29 northbound and the counterclockwise loop ramps.
I finally got over my Facebook-induced laziness and uploaded these highly professional drawings to imgur:
Basic concept: Remove access to Old Hull Road, build a semidirect northbound-to westbound ramp on the footprint
of the existing eastbound-to-northbound loop ramp, rebuild that loop ramp immediately inboard of its current location,
and remove the other two loop ramps and the associated short weave. I don't see why this wasn't done in 1979 when
the east side of the Athens Perimeter was completed.
(https://i.imgur.com/Gsi467U.png)
Now, if they're gonna replace the bridges, why not provide an easier curve for the semidirect ramp, like this? Maybe
hold off on replacing the eastbound bridge, since it's not the one that's been hit by trucks.
(https://i.imgur.com/vZyGM4g.png)
Ultimate condition, assuming the geometry will work. It might be necessary to address the weave between the North
Avenue onramp and here, which is currently only 1344 feet.
(https://i.imgur.com/ngjwiD9.png)
Alternatively, flip the trumpet around from your first concept and realign the bridges to be perpendicular to US 29, allowing the loop to be bigger. This would require more work on the intersections to the north, though.
Quote from: Roadsguy on October 30, 2020, 02:18:42 PM
Alternatively, flip the trumpet around from your first concept and realign the bridges to be perpendicular to US 29, allowing the loop to be bigger. This would require more work on the intersections to the north, though.
I thought of that, but I'd rather see the northbound-to-westbound movement for Loop 10 outer and US 441 removed from the loop ramp than the eastbound-to-northbound. In fact, I really think it'd be best to provide two lanes for that movement, which would rule out a loop ramp. I don't know how traffic volumes are actually distributed, though, let alone what future projections are.
A couple of issues regarding the northeast end of I-85.
First, there's this unusual sign before the southbound welcome center.
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.471144,-83.0667004,3a,75y,285.11h,89.14t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sIVkzvbvhqvhJYu0GunFOsw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en
Then northeast of Exit 177, there appears to be either an abandoned weigh station.
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/34.4712951,-83.0663994//@34.4775077,-83.0426463,372m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!4m1!3e0?hl=en
So when was that closed?
Looking at the historical aerials, it closed between 1993 and 2005. Given the relative look of the 05 aerial, my lean would be in the 90s.
That seems to be the old welcome center. The current one opened in the mid-90s so that's when the old one would have closed. I don't know the specific year though.
Quote from: D-Dey65 on November 03, 2020, 01:27:38 PM
A couple of issues regarding the northeast end of I-85.
First, there's this unusual sign before the southbound welcome center.
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.471144,-83.0667004,3a,75y,285.11h,89.14t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sIVkzvbvhqvhJYu0GunFOsw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en
Then northeast of Exit 177, there appears to be either an abandoned weigh station.
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/34.4712951,-83.0663994//@34.4775077,-83.0426463,372m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!4m1!3e0?hl=en
So when was that closed?
All I see is the ridiculous refusal to cantilever overheads anymore and horrible typesetting where none of it is spaced properly on the sign.
I don't think GDOT employees must ever drive through other states to realize how unpolished their guidance signs are here.
Here is a video of the proposed truck lanes on I-75 between Macon and the ATL metro.
Thanks for the upload, This will help a lot IMO especially weekend traffic headed north from Florida. I wonder when is this expected to start??? Im guessing after 2022...
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on November 17, 2020, 04:58:00 PMHere is a video of the proposed truck lanes on I-75 between Macon and the ATL metro.
Thanks! Among other things, another chapter in the saga of, "How does GDOT decide which legacy bridges to replace and which to retain?" Only two of the 1960s bridges will be replaced. The rest will live on, despite numerous replacements of similar structures elsewhere in the state. W/e. It'll be good to still have some respite from AASHTO beams and Jersey barriers.
Quote from: Tomahawkin on November 17, 2020, 06:57:51 PM
Thanks for the upload, This will help a lot IMO especially weekend traffic headed north from Florida. I wonder when is this expected to start??? Im guessing after 2022...
it won't help southbound traffic
at all. I don't understand how they decided to do a separate truck roadway in one direction and nothing in the other. And when I ask GDOT that question, they explain why the separate truck roadway is northbound rather than southbound. :clap:
GDOT doesnt have the funding yet to do the truck lanes in the southbound direction, IMO, Most likely half of the funding on future projects will go to the 400 express lanes as well as the 285 top end perimeter express lanes project (that one might be the costliest project and might double or triple the cost of the 285/400 interchange because there is going to be a lot of blasting of rock involved as well as bridges over the Chattahoochie river)
Has anyone noticed how much of a Cluster#### state route 20 is near the mall of GA. IH 85 even gets backed up at the S.R. 20 interchange. I got reminded as to why I haven't been to the mall of Georgia in 10 years! GDOT Needs to address S.R. 20 ASAP Because I'm seeing more apartments and a Andrettis indoor gaming venue being built... Another Rant Over...
One thing I've been noticing recently with these hanging signs are that either the wires have sagged, or the fasteners on the signs have loosened, causing the signs to slide out of position (https://goo.gl/maps/1RCWSHtvpZPPpM2o7).
Oftentimes you cant even see the numbers or letters on them. They are a eyesore. They should use Sign gantries on the right hand side before major intersections/ interchanges especially since no one is from the Atlanta area who lives ITP
Quote from: Tomahawkin on November 28, 2020, 03:22:42 PM
Has anyone noticed how much of a Cluster#### state route 20 is near the mall of GA. IH 85 even gets backed up at the S.R. 20 interchange. I got reminded as to why I haven't been to the mall of Georgia in 10 years! GDOT Needs to address S.R. 20 ASAP Because I'm seeing more apartments and a Andrettis indoor gaming venue being built... Another Rant Over...
Phase 2 and 3 of the Sugarloaf Parkway Extension should address that, if they ever get around to building it.
https://www.gwinnettforum.com/2019/08/brack-route-of-phase-3-of-sugarloaf-parkway-extension-may-surprise-some/
Oh, nice, I only heard about the phase 1 extension which was planned 5 years ago, IMO Sugarloaf should be 3 lanes in both directions due to the amount of suburban sprawl. Even the roads in Dacula and Braselton have become congested during peak traffic times...
Unfortunately the last update I saw on phase 2 was Gwinnett spending $1.5M last year to buy out a couple of houses in its path. Its future path north to I-85 at least is pretty obvious on google satellite.
Quote from: Finrod on December 06, 2020, 02:07:53 AM
Unfortunately the last update I saw on phase 2 was Gwinnett spending $1.5M last year to buy out a couple of houses in its path. Its future path north to I-85 at least is pretty obvious on google satellite.
A rebuild of 8 miles of I-26 in Asheville is taking out 133 homes.
Designs for the freeway conversion of GA 316 from GA 20 to east of GA 8:
https://transformingsr316-gdot.hub.arcgis.com/
There are to be interchanges at Hi Hope Road, Hurricane Trail, and SR 8. Cedars Road will be removed south of the railroad and therefore on the south of 316, and, surprisingly, the north side is to become a high-speed RIRO. Seriously? And Fence Road will be relocated via a new bridge over the railroad to meet GA 8 at the new westbound ramps of the folded diamond GA 8 interchange.
The big thing that jumps out at me is the median of 150 feet or so between Hurricane Trail and GA 8. OK, it's fairly obvious that the idea is for the mainline here is to eventually become CDs for a much wider 316. Even so, 150 feet seems to be excessive. They must be sensitive about it: the link includes sections, apparently drawn to scale, but the median widths aren't dimensioned.
This was long overdue. I just moved to Lawrenceville and 316 is hell even on weekends! IMO Blow it up and make it 8 lanes total all the way to Athens. Those old 2 lane 1960s bridges arent going to cut it and add interstate overhead lighting. Deer are rampant in the area. Ronald Reagan Pkwy needs lighting as well because of Deer
Quote from: Ga293 on December 03, 2020, 05:13:22 PM
One thing I've been noticing recently with these hanging signs are that either the wires have sagged, or the fasteners on the signs have loosened, causing the signs to slide out of position (https://goo.gl/maps/1RCWSHtvpZPPpM2o7).
Yes, I've had many of these fixed through multiple requests to GDOT and Atlanta Public Works.----But here's the thing. The crew workers go out and replace, erect another sign with little thought regarding the quality of the installation, They just finish the work order, and of course the shoulder will be falling over in a few weeks. No one in this state ever thinks and says, "Perhaps there's a sturdier post we should be using", or "Let's mount some of these signs a little higher and out of reach of taggers or easily destroyed by teens. As a result, better fasteners or better posts aren't ever adopted. Altanta's street signs use the worst assembly ever. One is fastened to the one underneath making a wobbly installation easily bent by wind. But decade after decade they don't move on to better assemblies like every other city. And our ONE WAY signs suck, the black arrow is so much easier to see and understand, used globally. I did get Atlanta Public Works to go out and adjust some of the new mast arm signals because they were crooked and it ruined the whole upgrade aspect. They straightened up at ptree/North ave ansd John Lewis Freedom/North Ave.
Quote from: Ga293 on December 03, 2020, 05:13:22 PM
One thing I've been noticing recently with these hanging signs are that either the wires have sagged, or the fasteners on the signs have loosened, causing the signs to slide out of position (https://goo.gl/maps/1RCWSHtvpZPPpM2o7).
New Streetview of the reigning champ. This is on a US highway, GDOT.
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7998693,-84.2810039,3a,24.8y,218.24h,96.31t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sYwY3lepn7ENL03-VvTP8tQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Quote from: Tom958 on December 20, 2020, 08:56:09 PM
Quote from: Ga293 on December 03, 2020, 05:13:22 PM
One thing I've been noticing recently with these hanging signs are that either the wires have sagged, or the fasteners on the signs have loosened, causing the signs to slide out of position (https://goo.gl/maps/1RCWSHtvpZPPpM2o7).
New Streetview of the reigning champ. This is on a US highway, GDOT.
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7998693,-84.2810039,3a,24.8y,218.24h,96.31t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sYwY3lepn7ENL03-VvTP8tQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Um...wow. That is really bad.
Quote from: Tom958 on December 20, 2020, 08:56:09 PM
Quote from: Ga293 on December 03, 2020, 05:13:22 PM
One thing I've been noticing recently with these hanging signs are that either the wires have sagged, or the fasteners on the signs have loosened, causing the signs to slide out of position (https://goo.gl/maps/1RCWSHtvpZPPpM2o7).
New Streetview of the reigning champ. This is on a US highway, GDOT.
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7998693,-84.2810039,3a,24.8y,218.24h,96.31t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sYwY3lepn7ENL03-VvTP8tQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
The crews who installed these lane signs weren't clearly explained that they are to be directlyoverhead of the lane they]re describing otherwise they're useless. But all over town you can see where they just clustered several together over the wrong lanes. Ponce Eastbound at Monroe Dr. is one spot.
A few years ago i sent color photos of a cluster on Sidney Marcus at the GA400 entrance. They were literally on top of one another and none were over the exit only lane to 400.
Those photos were part of a long list of fixes I had amassed. And they did go out and move them over the correct lanes. You can still see the scrape marks from when they were on top of each other.
I guess it's too much to ask for to enjoy Atlanta's glittering high rises amongst beautiful green trees and have street infrastructure that commanded respect for the state like NY does so well.
Some pure roadgeekery this cold Saturday morning: My common sense tells me that the first sections of I-16 to be built ought to have been the ones headed into the countryside from Macon and Savannah. However, what actually got built first was an isolated 25-mile section from west of Dublin to west of Soperton. This map snippet is from 1966; the part from GA 26 to US 319-441, shown as under construction here, was shown as open on the 1967 map. The section from Macon to Huber, also under construction here, wasn't shown as open until 1969. Off the map, there was another section extending westward from Savannah to US 280; it was open by 1968. The remaining sections of I-16 west of Dublin weren't opened until the 1973 map, and the rest, from Soperton the rest of the way to Savannah, was opened in 1978 as the last section of original Interstate in Georgia. That's quite a bit of lag time, as befits that notoriously lightly-traveled corridor.
(https://i.imgur.com/dasgN59.png)
I found out about this isolated section of I-16 as a boy; we'd cross it via GA 19 on the way to and from my grandmother's house in Waycross. Of course, it was all but deserted, so I asked my dad why they built it, and he said that it was probably because the commissioner of the highway department lived in Soperton. OK, fine. But wouldn't building the sections headed out of Macon first be just as helpful for the trip to Soperton, and more helpful to the state in general? For whatever reason, I decided to investigate using 21st-century technology.
As you all know, US 80 is the highway from Macon to Savannah. However, if you ask Google for a route from Macon to Savannah avoiding "highways," it avoids US 80 until its junction with GA 119, only 27 miles from Savannah. The preferred route is GA 57 from Macon via Swainsboro to the hamlet of Stillmore, a slight corner cut via a county road to Metter, then GA 46, GA 119, and US 80 into Savannah. Today that route benefits considerably from the US 1 bypass of Swainsboro, but using the old roads through Swainsboro and eliminating the Stillmore corner cut still yields a 174 mile route taking 3:33. This compares favorably to US 80 at 178 miles and 3:49, though US 80 was probably a bit quicker in the '60s and '70s. Google also recommends a route using GA 57, US 441 through Dublin, then GA 29, 86, 46, and 119 to US 80, which is 175 miles and 3:32, essentially equal to the other. Full disclosure: dragging the route away from the Swainsboro bypass causes it to jump to a county road that rejoins GA 46 on the other side of Metter for a 171 mile, 3:30 trip that a few adventurous travelers must've used back in the day.
The salient factoid here is that US 80 wasn't the only or even the best route between Macon and Savannah when I-16 came onto the scene. There probably would've been some political resistance to diverting through traffic off of the recognized long-distance route, but IMO it's likely that savvy travelers avoided US 80 even before I-16 was a factor.
Anyway: routing Macon-Savannah traffic via the GA 26-GA 29 segment of I-16 gets us to 174 miles and 3:27, a slight improvement in time. Substituting a 21-mile extension of the Macon-end segment of I-16 from its initial end at Sgoda Road/Huber to GA 112 gives us 172 miles and 3:28, essentially equal, but... it took a long time to build I-16 across the wetlands along the Okmulgee River, and a Huber-GA 112 segment would've been unattractive to Macon-Savannah traffic until the part west of Huber was opened.
So, I guess building that isolated segment of I-16 wasn't so crazy after all. :clap:
Quote from: Tom958 on December 26, 2020, 08:48:43 AM
Some pure roadgeekery this cold Saturday morning: My common sense tells me that the first sections of I-16 to be built ought to have been the ones headed into the countryside from Macon and Savannah. However, what actually got built first was an isolated 25-mile section from west of Dublin to west of Soperton. This map snippet is from 1966; the part from GA 26 to US 319-441, shown as under construction here, was shown as open on the 1967 map. The section from Macon to Huber, also under construction here, wasn't shown as open until 1969. Off the map, there was another section extending westward from Savannah to US 280; it was open by 1968. The remaining sections of I-16 west of Dublin weren't opened until the 1973 map, and the rest, from Soperton the rest of the way to Savannah, was opened in 1978 as the last section of original Interstate in Georgia. That's quite a bit of lag time, as befits that notoriously lightly-traveled corridor.
(https://i.imgur.com/dasgN59.png)
I found out about this isolated section of I-16 as a boy; we'd cross it via GA 19 on the way to and from my grandmother's house in Waycross. Of course, it was all but deserted, so I asked my dad why they built it, and he said that it was probably because the commissioner of the highway department lived in Soperton. OK, fine. But wouldn't building the sections headed out of Macon first be just as helpful for the trip to Soperton, and more helpful to the state in general? For whatever reason, I decided to investigate using 21st-century technology.
As you all know, US 80 is the highway from Macon to Savannah. However, if you ask Google for a route from Macon to Savannah avoiding "highways," it avoids US 80 until its junction with GA 119, only 27 miles from Savannah. The preferred route is GA 57 from Macon via Swainsboro to the hamlet of Stillmore, a slight corner cut via a county road to Metter, then GA 46, GA 119, and US 80 into Savannah. Today that route benefits considerably from the US 1 bypass of Swainsboro, but using the old roads through Swainsboro and eliminating the Stillmore corner cut still yields a 174 mile route taking 3:33. This compares favorably to US 80 at 178 miles and 3:49, though US 80 was probably a bit quicker in the '60s and '70s. Google also recommends a route using GA 57, US 441 through Dublin, then GA 29, 86, 46, and 119 to US 80, which is 175 miles and 3:32, essentially equal to the other. Full disclosure: dragging the route away from the Swainsboro bypass causes it to jump to a county road that rejoins GA 46 on the other side of Metter for a 171 mile, 3:30 trip that a few adventurous travelers must've used back in the day.
The salient factoid here is that US 80 wasn't the only or even the best route between Macon and Savannah when I-16 came onto the scene. There probably would've been some political resistance to diverting through traffic off of the recognized long-distance route, but IMO it's likely that savvy travelers avoided US 80 even before I-16 was a factor.
Anyway: routing Macon-Savannah traffic via the GA 26-GA 29 segment of I-16 gets us to 174 miles and 3:27, a slight improvement in time. Substituting a 21-mile extension of the Macon-end segment of I-16 from its initial end at Sgoda Road/Huber to GA 112 gives us 172 miles and 3:28, essentially equal, but... it took a long time to build I-16 across the wetlands along the Okmulgee River, and a Huber-GA 112 segment would've been unattractive to Macon-Savannah traffic until the part west of Huber was opened.
So, I guess building that isolated segment of I-16 wasn't so crazy after all. :clap:
All interstates are built in small sections. I don't know how much time passed between this lone section and the rest of the I-16 being built, but even pondering "political resistance" in the largest state East of the Mississippi is so effed up about this state, the only state I know of so loathe to build new highways that move goods and support businesses and increase the state's GDP.
If either of NC's 2 deep water ports were half as busy as Savannah's, now the nation's 3rd busiest I think, there would be multiple additions of infrastructure and highways to serve the port. It would be a very high priority.
Except for I-16, Georgia's interstates haven't been substantially expanded since they were first built in the 1960's. What other state has done so little in 50 years time? Thank goodness Atlanta has a simple loop and spoke in each direction.
Which I was thinking yesterday driving through the 400/285 rebuild. It's so convoluted with flyovers in all directions that Visitors will continue to think Georgia and Atlanta have a buttload of big highways. They think that 6 lane freeways are deluxe, not knowing that's all we have to move millions of people in each cardinal direction.
And the complex interchange at 400 will continue this illusion. It's impressive in size, but the flyovers aren't elegant, and the one from 400 South to 285 East has 5 different support sections, using as little curved steel girders as possible, back and forth with the straight precast ones.
This interchange had the potential to surpass spaghetti junction in awe factor, but alas it won't come to be.
I agree that Georgia does not like building new interstates. However, they have done a good job with their GRIP program in upgrading 2 lane roads to 4 lane highways. Most of these corridors are in rural areas with a low amount of at-grade intersections and mostly 65 MPH Speed Limits. More interstates would be better, but I would take Georgia's roadway network over all of it's neighboring states even FL!
Plus, when driving south on I-95 entering Georgia is a breathe of fresh air with it's smooth pavement and extra lane of travel.
Quote from: RoadPelican on January 01, 2021, 11:30:23 AM
I agree that Georgia does not like building new interstates. However, they have done a good job with their GRIP program in upgrading 2 lane roads to 4 lane highways. Most of these corridors are in rural areas with a low amount of at-grade intersections and mostly 65 MPH Speed Limits. More interstates would be better, but I would take Georgia's roadway network over all of it's neighboring states even FL!
Plus, when driving south on I-95 entering Georgia is a breathe of fresh air with it's smooth pavement and extra lane of travel.
Yes Georgia expanded it's smallish section of I-95, and a lot of people think it has gone above and beyond. The signage isn't in good condition and pavement quality is questionable in many areas like between Macon and Atlanta where you see a think tar layer patch holding aggregate not part of the main surface, and many shoulders are noticeably narrow with damaged guardrail everywhere. I researched and found the addresses and names at GDOT district offices down there because I wanted to request that the brown signs for park-type attractions be replaced because driving North out of Florida it's a noticeable dive in quality and conditions of roadside infrastructure and makes Georgia look primitive and poor due to neglect of maintenance. Georgia has no excuse to not keep its small I-95 section looking good on America's East Coast main corridor. Comparison to other states in unavoidable. Well it's good that they did improve the GRIP corridors though it's nothing that other states don't already do with continuous new roads being built like NC.
Florida's roads, culverts, and drainage is top notch though it's roads are not built with components as "tall" as Georgia's which is appropriate since we're the center of the Southeast that's home to the regional nucleus, Atlanta.
Florida's high standards and budget of $13 billion plus on its roads is very evident and appreciated. I think FL, NY, and NC have the best highway standards of the East Coast and are among the best in the nation too.
Georgia's humble beginnings before Atlanta became a powerhouse are the reason it never had high ambitions to keep up with the states to the North. Florida is basically an outpost of NE natives so it has that connection.
NC"s section of I-95 is bad because the state wanted to focus on I-85 and those used by North Carolineans who pay gas taxes. I-95 benefits out of staters more and thus was the lowest priority. Finally it will be rebuilt to 8 lanes through the state though that will take the next 30 years or more to complete.
Here is a history of i-40 from the NC thread that relates to I-16 in a way;
https://www.gribblenation.org/2016/08/to-shore-north-carolinas-struggle-to.html
Valid points! Also where in the hell is the emissions testing revenue allocated to??? Someone in office is making a killing of the emissions testing BS
Quote from: Tomahawkin on January 07, 2021, 02:11:21 PM
Valid points! Also where in the hell is the emissions testing revenue allocated to??? Someone in office is making a killing of the emissions testing BS
I saw on the local news a report where a state legislator proposed ending the emissions program because 97% of vehicles pass and it's nothing but a racket for the testing centers.
Good! I just paid my BS emissions test yesterday in Dunwoody for 11.99. Total waste of time and money. I failed last year and had to pay 450.00 for a CO2 emission censor! 🤬🤬🤬
Quote from: Tomahawkin on January 10, 2021, 01:59:27 PM
Good! I just paid my BS emissions test yesterday in Dunwoody for 11.99. Total waste of time and money. I failed last year and had to pay 450.00 for a CO2 emission censor! 🤬🤬🤬
That's not bullshit. It's the law doing what it's supposed to do. Without mandatory inspections, many people would simply let their vehicles pollute, and we'd be Mexico City before long.
Quote from: Tom958 on January 10, 2021, 02:37:00 PM
Quote from: Tomahawkin on January 10, 2021, 01:59:27 PM
Good! I just paid my BS emissions test yesterday in Dunwoody for 11.99. Total waste of time and money. I failed last year and had to pay 450.00 for a CO2 emission censor! 🤬🤬🤬
That's not bullshit. It's the law doing what it's supposed to do. Without mandatory inspections, many people would simply let their vehicles pollute, and we'd be Mexico City before long.
It is bullshit. Many states don't have such programs and don't have Mexico City's air. If anything just charge people a yearly carbon emissions fee that is the same cost as an inspection. Stop wasting people's time on stupid shit.
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Quote from: Tomahawkin on January 10, 2021, 01:59:27 PM
Good! I just paid my BS emissions test yesterday in Dunwoody for 11.99. Total waste of time and money. I failed last year and had to pay 450.00 for a CO2 emission censor!
That's not bullshit. It's the law doing what it's supposed to do. Without mandatory inspections, many people would simply let their vehicles pollute, and we'd be Mexico City before long.
It is bullshit. Many states don’t have such programs and don’t have Mexico City’s air. If anything just charge people a yearly carbon emissions fee that is the same cost as an inspection. Stop wasting people’s time on stupid shit.
It is not bullshit. It is not a tax on carbon emissions or whatever - that's not the point. The point is to keep local air quality good. Imagine what might happen to the region's air quality if all the Atlanta metro freeways were filled with coal-rolling pickup trucks.
I grew up in Utah, where emissions testing is required in the five urban counties in the northern half of the state (Salt Lake, Utah, Davis, Weber, Cache). You bet your ass I appreciated emissions testing there given the area's reputation for relatively poor air quality in the wintertime.
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Quote from: Tom958 on January 10, 2021, 02:37:00 PM
Quote from: Tomahawkin on January 10, 2021, 01:59:27 PM
Good! I just paid my BS emissions test yesterday in Dunwoody for 11.99. Total waste of time and money. I failed last year and had to pay 450.00 for a CO2 emission censor! 🤬🤬🤬
That's not bullshit. It's the law doing what it's supposed to do. Without mandatory inspections, many people would simply let their vehicles pollute, and we'd be Mexico City before long.
It is bullshit. Many states don't have such programs and don't have Mexico City's air. If anything just charge people a yearly carbon emissions fee that is the same cost as an inspection. Stop wasting people's time on stupid shit.
It is not bullshit. It is not a tax on carbon emissions or whatever - that's not the point. The point is to keep local air quality good. Imagine what might happen to the region's air quality if all the Atlanta metro freeways were filled with coal-rolling trucks.
I grew up in Utah, where emissions testing is required in the five urban counties in the northern half of the state (Salt Lake, Utah, Davis, Weber, Cache). You bet your ass I appreciated emissions testing there given the area's reputation for relatively poor air quality in the wintertime.
It is 100% grade a bullshit.
This is what I think the BS part of the emissions requirement is.
It only applies to populated urban areas, which, in Georgia, is Atlanta. That part makes sense.
But, it contains an exemption for certain common situations. For example, a college student whose parents own their car, but are going to college away from Atlanta.
The problem is that certain areas are not allowed to be exempt. A college student from Atlanta who drives a car at Georgia Southern (Statesboro) is eligible to be exempt, but their high school classmate who instead attends UGA (Athens) and brings a car there, is not eligible for the exemption. Wtf?
I can see the logic in that. Presumably the student at UGA is more likely to spend more time in the inspection area, and is only a half-hour drive or so from an inspection station. The same can't be said for students at Auburn or Clemson, which despite not being in the state, aren't eligible for exemptions (http://"https://www.cleanairforce.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Out-of-Area_List-of-Bordering-States-FINAL.pdf").
Quote from: Tom958 on January 10, 2021, 02:37:00 PM
Quote from: Tomahawkin on January 10, 2021, 01:59:27 PM
Good! I just paid my BS emissions test yesterday in Dunwoody for 11.99. Total waste of time and money. I failed last year and had to pay 450.00 for a CO2 emission censor! 🤬🤬🤬
Cars have been getting better at low emissions for a long time. That and cheap natural gas which resulted in coal-fired power generation plants closing, cleaned up our air significantly. 97% of all vehicles passing means it's not a big problem from automobiles anymore. Atlanta has had visible smog when landing at the airport for over 30 years, but it's better now because of ultra low emissions of new cars.
The San Gabriel mountains are always visible in LA now, and 25 years ago when I lived there only after it rained (5 days a year) would they be even remotely visible.
That's not bullshit. It's the law doing what it's supposed to do. Without mandatory inspections, many people would simply let their vehicles pollute, and we'd be Mexico City before long.
BUT GEORGIA DOESN'T DO SAFETY INSPECTIONS OF CARS like many other states such as NC where every year cars' horn, wipers, are checked, all brake lights headlight, parking must work and not have damaged housing/lens, and a big crack in the windshield will not pass, and you can't renew registration until it's replaced. Emissions are also part of that inspection, though only metro counties have strict requirements.
It's a good thing in the South where people of all levels of backwoods lifestyle would have very different conditions of automobles. Georgia could benefit from that.
I was browsing "Engrish" on Google Images and came across this interesting bag:
(https://thejapantry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Engrish5.jpg)
GDOT please address SR 316 And SR 120 interchange! It's a complete Cluster#### even at 2pm in the afternoon. I can't imagine what it's like at 7-9am and 4-7pm
As I drove out of Georgia on I-95 yesterday I looked back and saw the signs approaching northbound Exit 1 replaced. I'm glad they added exit tabs and tell drivers that the exit is for St. Mary's Road, but they did a half-assed job with the signs.
Quote from: D-Dey65 on February 27, 2021, 11:14:12 AM
As I drove out of Georgia on I-95 yesterday I looked back and saw the signs approaching northbound Exit 1 replaced. I'm glad they added exit tabs and tell drivers that the exit is for St. Mary's Road, but they did a half-assed job with the signs.
I know. Why is Georgia so unconcerned about the sloppiness of the highway signage? It represents the state on so many levels beyond just conveying the info on the sign itself. Such a tradeoff to living in Atlanta. You give up so much that other states provide.
I have wanted to contact the division on the coast near Florida to request they replace all the brown signs about camping, recreation, etc. because they are embarrassing especially being so close to Florida that has such high standards.
They've got to do something like this;
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:I-85_North_SC_-_Exit_1_-_SC11_Walhalla_(42397990641).jpg
On the one on the gantry next to it, they should just add a pull-through sign for I-95 North; Savannah (three down arrows below). And remember the smaller sign that told drivers that the next rest area was 116 miles away? That should be a banner under the one a half-mile away from the off-ramp.
Georgia was one of the first states to use logo signs on I-95 (and probably the rest of the interstates in the state), so you can't say that they are not totally on the ball.
What I'm talking about though is the top portion of the sign being green, and the rest of it being blue.
Quote from: roadman65 on March 02, 2021, 12:18:20 PM
Georgia was one of the first states to use logo signs on I-95 (and probably the rest of the interstates in the state), so you can't say that they are not totally on the ball.
I don't know what a logo sign is. Anyway I give GDOT credit for using the highly reflective big overheads before many states. They don't need to have lights since the cars' headlights will make them shine bright. Maybe that's why Georgia tilts overhead signs down toward the road to pick up more of the traffic's headlamps. I've wondered about that for years.
Also i like that GDOT has embraced digital signs that ironically display images of green signs of upcoming exits. I guess if they can't do a good job erecting real signs, this is the next best thing.
That South Carolina photo...Here's what I see:
1) a simple shield for a state road, a square. That's a good thing.
2) a cantilevered overhead in the distance, smart, efficient and I like that SC double loads them. Sorta elegant in my opinion.
3) horrible pavement condition, bad. The sign's corners aren't rounded like NY, NC, and FL's. not great.
The sign isn't anything special either, though i like signs doing double duty with more than one background color. Efficient.
Quote from: architect77 on March 04, 2021, 03:40:06 AM
I don't know what a logo sign is.
The way some users on here use that term, a "logo sign" is what the MUTCD calls a "Specific Service Sign". The ones indicating the specific businesses (by logo) that provide the given services at each exit.
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Maybe that's why Georgia tilts overhead signs down toward the road to pick up more of the traffic's headlamps. I've wondered about that for years.
Isn't that somewhat common though? Most states either mount their overhead signs vertical (no tilt) or with a slight tilt downward. A few states use an upward tilt, including SC and LA.
As for that SC I-85 Exit 1 sign, the idea is that Georgia should do the same for its first exit on I-95 north, because it is a similar condition of that exit ramp being both for the exit and for the welcome center.
This sign on Maxham Road where it intersects SR 6/Thorton Road in Lithia Springs is a doozy.
(https://i.imgur.com/D4EurKu.jpg)
Besides the fact that SR 6 is a west-east route, and that the left turn would take you south on eastbound SR 6, it's posted on the wrong side of the road. It's located about where the fire hydrant is in this view (http://"https://goo.gl/maps/8oo9XmBxEjq1RQea9"), potentially luring unfamiliar, nighttime, and/or stupid drivers over the poorly marked turning lane into oncoming lanes of traffic.
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Quote from: architect77 on March 04, 2021, 03:40:06 AM
I don't know what a logo sign is.
The way some users on here use that term, a "logo sign" is what the MUTCD calls a "Specific Service Sign". The ones indicating the specific businesses (by logo) that provide the given services at each exit.
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Maybe that's why Georgia tilts overhead signs down toward the road to pick up more of the traffic's headlamps. I've wondered about that for years.
Isn't that somewhat common though? Most states either mount their overhead signs vertical (no tilt) or with a slight tilt downward. A few states use an upward tilt, including SC and LA.
As for that SC I-85 Exit 1 sign, the idea is that Georgia should do the same for its first exit on I-95 north, because it is a similar condition of that exit ramp being both for the exit and for the welcome center.
OMG I've noticed that in SC but thought is was unintentional. Remember the green boards they had covering the gap between the light ledge and the sign?
I've never noticed the tilt down in any other state.
I like hoe Georgia mounts overheads to the sides of overpasses, it's cleaner than another gantry right in front of overpass which is wasteful.
I thought logo signs might be the blue restaurant signs, but thought it could possibly be shields that they were referring to.
Everyone please email GDOT about updating Peachtree Ind. signage. It's decrepit and decades overdue for new ones to match the new pavement. thx
Quote from: architect77 on March 07, 2021, 02:41:01 AM
Everyone please email GDOT about updating Peachtree Ind. signage. It's decrepit and decades overdue for new ones to match the new pavement. thx
Alternatively, please don't. Some of the last all-caps button copy is up there
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Quote from: architect77 on March 07, 2021, 02:41:01 AM
Everyone please email GDOT about updating Peachtree Ind. signage. It's decrepit and decades overdue for new ones to match the new pavement. thx
Alternatively, please don't. Some of the last all-caps button copy is up there
Your request isn't in the best interests of the 10.8 million residents of Georgia, a state recently catapulted into the top echelon of the most populated states despite being largely unprepared to measure up to the others that have long histories of high standards of excellence.
I can understand your appreciation for the history of the evolution of highway signs, and I can even point out 2 other button copy signs in intown Atlanta that continue to exist un-noticed but the negative connotations coming from neglected infrastructure amounts to immeasurable lost revenue to the state from companies and tax-paying citizens' avoidance of relocating or doing business with a state that doesn't have its act together, failing on such easy tasks of basic maintenance.
If you love button copy, you should be collecting it or advocating it being displayed in museums related to the history of the state or national transportation system.
It isn't fair to every one else who wants to live in a 21st century, top-tier state to push for not updating our infrastrcture to ensure safe travel and giving a sense of pride in where we live.
Here are just 2 examples of the dozens of embarrassing guidance signs on Peachtree Ind., a major corridor of growth with $4,000 mo. apartments being built nearby in Duluth.
Our tax dollars deserve more results than this. I'd be embarrassed to host out-of-state friends visiting if I had to take them down this road:
There are far worse instances than these also.
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i just traveled from Altanta on I-20 to Augusta through Columbia to Wilmington, NC to Raleigh through Charlotte and back to Atlanta.
I-85 is in far better condition in Georgia than I-20 which looks neglected and in poor condition for 65% of the way to Augusta.
For a state that builds almost no new roads, you'd think that the 1960's-built original interstates would be kept in stellar condition. Afterall, what else does the DOT have to do everyday for the past 60 years? Adding a lane here and there in metro Atlanta hardly is an excuse.
I-20 needs better pavement, better shoulders, some signage replaced, and sadly is too narrow0-feeling in the East part of metro Altanta.
Even worse, when you drive on I-20 through places like Covington, it looks like every interchange is built to the absolute minimum standards from many decades ago, not sufficient for the metro which is the 9th, soon to be 8th biggest in the country.
Even intown, there are dangerous examples of interchanges on our basic loop and spoke layout of interstates not often mentioned like the transition from I-20 East to I-285 North. Even the signage at this interchange isn't kept up to "readable" status.
GDOT is hellbent on not spending money in any area predominantly minority-populated and it's reprehensible.
They've admitted to me on the phone about not picking up trash along I-20 West, and that sentiment is also evident in Latino areas like Doraville, Jimmy Carter Blvd. corridor, etc.
Even the newly widened part of I-85 heading towards Commerce, all of the overhead gantries Southbound are leaning down to the left, and one of them look slanted 15 degrees or more.
It looks like handmade signs on The Beverly Hillbillies or the style of the tv variety show Hee-Haw that connotes the South can't or hasn't yet mastered the tools to produce signs correctly.
And to be fair, SC ain't all that better going through Columbia but I excuse that state because every interstate junction has cantilevered overhead signs with the distination control cities of each direction of the interstate while Georgia has the tiniest lane signs doing such a big job as that.
And North Carolina has many maintenance needs statewide as NCDOT was so overextended from multiple hurricanes that it doesn't have the money right now for so much maintenance that's needed, especially litter removal.
Raleigh has the most visible trash along its freeways almost continuous without any clean spots of any city in America. It's an absolute travesty that I have hounded them about many times to no avail.
That eastern 20-285 interchange is slated to be replaced shortly, just gives GDOT another excuse not to fix the signage when it will be out of date in a year.
That interchange improvement is 25 years overdue! IMO that interchange is the most antiquated interchange in the Southeast! They are also going to be adding DDI's to Panola Road and SR 138 in Conyers. That interchange is in bad shape...
Quote from: architect77 on March 04, 2021, 03:40:06 AM
The sign isn't anything special either, though i like signs doing double duty with more than one background color. Efficient.
Me too, and in another part of the country, I also think green and brown signs with white lettering ought to be installed at Exit 18 on the Southern State Parkway. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=1487.msg2430295;topicseen#msg2430295)
Maybe this should be an issue for the road signage board.
GA 316 UPDATES
I recently noticed some construction equipment set up and vegetation cleared between the Cedars Road and Hurricane Trail intersections, and I wonder if this is the start of preparatory work for the westbound RIRO at Cedars Road. (There will be no access to Cedars Road from GA 316 eastbound.) Farther east, the Harbins Road overpass now has all beams in place, and the base pavement is now in place for the collector/distributor lanes between Harbins Road and the Sugarloaf Parkway (east junction) interchange. The westbound off-ramp and eastbound on-ramp appear to be the last pieces of the interchange to be constructed, since the land hasn't been graded for them yet.
The GA 81 interchange is now complete, and all construction equipment removed. Unfortunately, this just means that the westbound bottleneck has moved to the Carl-Bethlehem Road intersection, which desperately needs an overpass, especially once construction for the West Winder Bypass interchange begins. Speaking of the West Winder Bypass, it will be constructed just to the east of the Patrick Mill Road intersection, and GA 211 will be realigned to the bypass, eliminating its current circuitous routing through Winder to GA 316 near Statham.
Lots of earth is being moved in the vicinity of the GA 11 interchange site. An existing residential road just north of GA 316 and east of GA 11 has to be realigned in order to make room for the westbound off-ramp. Eventually, this realigned road will become part of an extended frontage road, which currently ends at Harry McCarty Road, about a mile west of GA 11. After that, expect the next phase of construction to be all the on- and off-ramps, with GA 316 traffic shifted to them while new bridges are built for GA 316 to pass over GA 11.
The eastbound on- and off-ramps at the GA 53 interchange site have been completed, as has the westbound off-ramp, but nothing has happened with the westbound on-ramp yet, because building it will require either a retaining wall or large amounts of earth to be moved. Like the GA 11 interchange site, expect GA 316 traffic to be moved to the ramps eventually as bridges are built for GA 316 to pass over GA 53.
IMO, The bridge overpasses and improvements at intersections are 25 years overdue! i have been a broken record on saying this! The Riverside PKWY overpass needs to be redone and 316 should be 8-10 lanes all the way to Athens. I have seen the sprawl in Winder as well as in Barrow county as a whole. If a Amazon Warehouse center comes out there??? That means more traffic. I wish Gwinnett would use some their TSPLOST Funding to address issues on 316 as well as US 78
Quote from: Tomahawkin on March 26, 2021, 09:10:48 PM
IMO, The bridge overpasses and improvements at intersections are 25 years overdue! i have been a broken record on saying this! The Riverside PKWY overpass needs to be redone and 316 should be 8-10 lanes all the way to Athens. I have seen the sprawl in Winder as well as in Barrow county as a whole. If a Amazon Warehouse center comes out there??? That means more traffic. I wish Gwinnett would use some their TSPLOST Funding to address issues on 316 as well as US 78
There's no need for Gwinnett County to spend money on GA 316 at this point. GDOT designated GA 316 as a freight corridor in 2016, which is why there's been so much more construction along it in the last five years. In addition, GDOT is getting federal assistance with the (re)design of everything from the GA 20/GA 124 interchange to the new Harbins Road interchange. As for the number of lanes, it needs eight from I-85 east to Lawrenceville Highway (old U.S. 29), but it's fine with six the rest of the way into Athens. Even football game-day traffic won't be overwhelming as long as there are no traffic signals creating bottlenecks. That's part of why I'm so adamant about an overpass being built for Carl-Bethlehem Road, because doing that would create a signal-free highway from Kilcrease Road to Statham, once the West Winder Bypass is completed.
Speaking of bottlenecks, GDOT will soon need to focus on the eastern end of GA 316, specifically the intersections with the Athens Perimeter and Oconee Connector. Traffic from the "inner" (clockwise) Perimeter to GA 316 westbound needs a flyover ramp, because traffic sometimes backs up onto the Perimeter during afternoon rush hour, and the 90-degree left turn onto the highway going uphill is awkward too. The ramp from GA 316 eastbound to the "outer" (counterclockwise) Perimeter could use a second lane as well, because it handles a lot of traffic from sunrise until late in the evening. Likewise, the Oconee Connector intersection is a bottleneck for both roads from sunrise until late in the evening.
I think the reason Georgia has been putting off I-20 is that they've been working on I-85, which was pretty bad itself. They have I-75 as six+ lanes through the state, now they're trying to get I-85 to the same place. After I-85 gets finished I would guess I-20 would be next.
Quote from: Finrod on March 29, 2021, 03:33:51 AM
I think the reason Georgia has been putting off I-20 is that they've been working on I-85, which was pretty bad itself. They have I-75 as six+ lanes through the state, now they're trying to get I-85 to the same place. After I-85 gets finished I would guess I-20 would be next.
I am pretty sure this is it also, i would guess the SW part of 85 widening is going to be done in 3-4 sections as time and money permit.
Quote from: Finrod on March 29, 2021, 03:33:51 AM
I think the reason Georgia has been putting off I-20 is that they've been working on I-85, which was pretty bad itself. They have I-75 as six+ lanes through the state, now they're trying to get I-85 to the same place. After I-85 gets finished I would guess I-20 would be next.
That makes sense. I-85 north of Buford has more traffic than I-20 east of Covington anyway. I am surprised that GDOT is keeping four lanes on I-20 west of Villa Rica, though, because ALDOT has widened most of I-20 between Birmingham and the Georgia state line.
Quote from: architect77 on March 17, 2021, 06:00:55 PM
For a state that builds almost no new roads, you'd think that the 1960's-built original interstates would be kept in stellar condition. Afterall, what else does the DOT have to do everyday for the past 60 years? Adding a lane here and there in metro Atlanta hardly is an excuse.
I don't know, maybe upgrading a bunch of rural highways to pretty good quality 4 lane expressways?
Quote from: Gnutella on March 29, 2021, 11:16:48 PM
Quote from: Finrod on March 29, 2021, 03:33:51 AM
I think the reason Georgia has been putting off I-20 is that they've been working on I-85, which was pretty bad itself. They have I-75 as six+ lanes through the state, now they're trying to get I-85 to the same place. After I-85 gets finished I would guess I-20 would be next.
That makes sense. I-85 north of Buford has more traffic than I-20 east of Covington anyway. I am surprised that GDOT is keeping four lanes on I-20 west of Villa Rica, though, because ALDOT has widened most of I-20 between Birmingham and the Georgia state line.
Yea, i suspect that last 24 miles of I-20 in west GA will be the last 2 sections of 20 to be widened.
Quote from: US 89 on March 29, 2021, 11:27:00 PM
Quote from: architect77 on March 17, 2021, 06:00:55 PM
For a state that builds almost no new roads, you'd think that the 1960's-built original interstates would be kept in stellar condition. Afterall, what else does the DOT have to do everyday for the past 60 years? Adding a lane here and there in metro Atlanta hardly is an excuse.
I don't know, maybe upgrading a bunch of rural highways to pretty good quality 4 lane expressways?
That and GDOT was obligated(at least 15 years ago) to spend equally among Districts so it cant just spend all of its money in Atlanta.
Who said that Georgia was limited to improving one highway at a time?
The gas prices are now the same i thorughout NC, SC (they must have really bumped up their tax), and GA.
North Carolina takes $5 billion a year and manages to maintain 80,000 miles of roads with $2 billion of that, and then allocates $3 billion every year to new construction projects and improvements.
Shown in blue are the current new construction projects underway in NC. The Raleigh area is rebuilding the final 1960s section of its I-440 Beltline, I-40 is getting 2 additional lanes in each direction South of Raleigh, the next section of its tolled 540 outerloop in under construction, and hopefully the roadside trash will get cleaned up which is the worst in the US right now. $4 billion of construction in Wake County, NC alone.
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Just saw on the ajc that around 830 million will be allocated to a 35 mile stretch of SR 316 to make it Freeway grade from Gwinnett to Oconee counties. This was 20+ years overdue IMO. I hope they replace the Riverside KWY bridge and add more exit ramps to the side roads in Gwinnett county. Sugarloaf and SR 20 both are utter hell to drive because of the traffic and has been for over a decade
Quote from: Tomahawkin on April 03, 2021, 11:35:24 AM
Just saw on the ajc that around 830 million will be allocated to a 35 mile stretch of SR 316 to make it Freeway grade from Gwinnett to Oconee counties. This was 20+ years overdue IMO. I hope they replace the Riverside KWY bridge and add more exit ramps to the side roads in Gwinnett county. Sugarloaf and SR 20 both are utter hell to drive because of the traffic and has been for over a decade
This is what I've read is in store for Gwinnett County:
1. Hi-Hope Road will get an interchange, which will tie into the GA 20/GA 124/Collins Hill Road Interchange.
2. Progress Center Avenue will get an overpass.
3. Cedars Road will have no access to or from GA 316 eastbound, and will get a "RIRO" on GA 316 westbound.
4. Hurricane Trail will get an interchange.
5. Fence Road will have its terminus moved from GA 316 to Winder Highway, which will get an interchange.
6. Oak Valley Road and Williams Farm Drive will get a frontage road to access GA 316 at the new Harbins Road interchange.
7. Drowning Creek Road will get an interchange.
Regarding Gwinnett County:
They do make things happen and are trying to facilitate the growth to a degree.
I'd like to see the dangling shield signs on the Pleasant Hill Diverging Diamond interchange repaired after being that way for 2+ years. In fact this spot needs some reduction in the cluttered pieces of the diverging diamond. It's a small interchange and doesn't look good. Even if some of the black posts needed to be changed or eliminated, I think it would be worth simplifying.
I'd like to see the overheads near the 316 interchange that used a different yellow that's severely faded for EXIT ONLY portion replaced.
Jimmy Carter needs plenty of attention for replacing faded street signs.
If they could manage to do a good install job, the tiny lane shield signs strung over I-85 interchanges should be replaced with larger overhead, cantlievered desitnation signs like other states have.
Altanta and Georgia are in the big leagues now and overhead signs at junctions with interstates are needed. It's a huge, glaring omission.
Can you add state route 20 to the Gwinnett county wishlist??? That route is utter hell from Grayson to the Mall of GA. IMO SR 20 Should be 3 lanes in both directions along its entire route in GA
Quote from: Tomahawkin on April 05, 2021, 06:55:20 PM
IMO SR 20 Should be 3 lanes in both directions along its entire route in GA
That would be a complete waste of money west of Cumming.
GA 316 UPDATE
The ramps for the GA 53 interchange are complete, and GA 316 traffic was shifted to them yesterday in preparation for the construction of two bridges that will carry GA 316 over GA 53.
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on November 17, 2020, 04:58:00 PM
Here is a video of the proposed truck lanes on I-75 between Macon and the ATL metro.
Given the amount of truck traffic that is on 75, that is going to cause a horrendous bottleneck (and probably a lot of accidents) when they all have to merge over from that 4th lane to the third in a short period. They should definitely look at extending the express lanes to a mile prior to the truck lane merge plus maintaining the fourth lane for a little bit longer.
Would it not just be cheaper to widen the stretch to 10 lanes?
They are crazy to go to all that rebuilding of I-75 and all the construction on an active highway when they could build a new road further away even if it was longer in distance.
They are making everything so complicated by trying to remain in the existing right of way. This is rural Georgia. Buying land for a smaller 4 lane highway for trucks only would be way cheaper than this clusterf*ck of construction which will almost surely include narrow 11" general purpose lanes and tight shoulders.
If buying land for grand new highways was expensive then other states like NC wouldn't always be building hundreds of miles of new highways at any given time.
Quote from: architect77 on May 19, 2021, 09:34:54 AM
They are crazy to go to all that rebuilding of I-75 and all the construction on an active highway when they could build a new road further away even if it was longer in distance.
They are making everything so complicated by trying to remain in the existing right of way. This is rural Georgia. Buying land for a smaller 4 lane highway for trucks only would be way cheaper than this clusterf*ck of construction which will almost surely include narrow 11" general purpose lanes and tight shoulders.
If buying land for grand new highways was expensive then other states like NC wouldn't always be building hundreds of miles of new highways at any given time.
One could just take US 41. Is that truck lane idea just for northbound only? Is it reversible?
I would rather fund Interstate 3 from SW Tennessee to Savannah or Upgrade US 27 or SR 101 from the Chatt-Lanta area down to Florida, and make it a dollar toll for the whole route. I wish Georgia would be more aggressive in telling out of state Drivers like they do in Florida and Texas. And yes I do understand that there is no state income tax in both states
http://www.dot.ga.gov/BuildSmart/Projects/Pages/I20SavannahRiver.aspx
I see for the next few years this will take place along I-20. Was there in September and saw activity already at the SC 230 interchange just east of the river crossing.
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on May 19, 2021, 10:43:21 AMOne could just take US 41. Is that truck lane idea just for northbound only? Is it reversible?
It's northbound only. I've asked on several occasions (though not very forcefully) how they decided on a one-way roadway and the response is to explain why the one-way roadway is northbound instead of southbound. I haven't been able to find the project concept report online, either. I don't see how this could be the result of some nefarious plot, but GDOT certainly isn't very forthcoming about it.
Hopefully there's future plans to mirror a southbound concept. But who knows.
The only reason I can think of that it would be northbound would be to drive the truck traffic towards the airport.
Quote from: Georgia on May 22, 2021, 04:09:12 PM
The only reason I can think of that it would be northbound would be to drive the truck traffic towards the airport.
I'll bet if they went and asked the owners of the properties where the lane has to temporarily move over into the center median of existing I-75 what they think the state should do: Go to all that trouble and staging and worker risk and tons of concrete and hours of more delay to current traffic just to avoid their properties or to sell for a nice price, move somewhere else, and avoid all of that extra hassle by letting the new lane stay outside existing 75.
I mean it's worth asking rather than just spend all that extra money and effort only to find out the owners would've gladly taken the money because they didn't care about the location anyway...It's loud because it's right beside a major freeway!
They are an odd DOT that seems so insular. I hate it.
Quote from: architect77 on May 23, 2021, 07:49:29 AM
Quote from: Georgia on May 22, 2021, 04:09:12 PM
The only reason I can think of that it would be northbound would be to drive the truck traffic towards the airport.
I'll bet if they went and asked the owners of the properties where the lane has to temporarily move over into the center median of existing I-75 what they think the state should do: Go to all that trouble and staging and worker risk and tons of concrete and hours of more delay to current traffic just to avoid their properties or to sell for a nice price, move somewhere else, and avoid all of that extra hassle by letting the new lane stay outside existing 75.
I mean it's worth asking rather than just spend all that extra money and effort only to find out the owners would've gladly taken the money because they didn't care about the location anyway...It's loud because it's right beside a major freeway!
They are an odd DOT that seems so insular. I hate it.
I have never known many ROW negotiations to go terribly smoothly when state government is involved; but I guess it could have happened in this case with thousands of land owners.
I mean, I would like to believe GDOT is saving the mainline of 75 for future widening/future transit/multi-modal of some sort.
I have included a link to a section on the GDOT website that contains information on the future I-75 truck roadway north of Macon. It includes a video of the concept.
https://0014203-gdot.hub.arcgis.com/
Quote from: Georgia on May 23, 2021, 08:41:15 AM
Quote from: architect77 on May 23, 2021, 07:49:29 AM
Quote from: Georgia on May 22, 2021, 04:09:12 PM
The only reason I can think of that it would be northbound would be to drive the truck traffic towards the airport.
I'll bet if they went and asked the owners of the properties where the lane has to temporarily move over into the center median of existing I-75 what they think the state should do: Go to all that trouble and staging and worker risk and tons of concrete and hours of more delay to current traffic just to avoid their properties or to sell for a nice price, move somewhere else, and avoid all of that extra hassle by letting the new lane stay outside existing 75.
I mean it's worth asking rather than just spend all that extra money and effort only to find out the owners would've gladly taken the money because they didn't care about the location anyway...It's loud because it's right beside a major freeway!
They are an odd DOT that seems so insular. I hate it.
I have never known many ROW negotiations to go terribly smoothly when state government is involved; but I guess it could have happened in this case with thousands of land owners.
I mean, I would like to believe GDOT is saving the mainline of 75 for future widening/future transit/multi-modal of some sort.
I don't think there are thousands of landowners who would be impacted at the spot where they plan to shift over to the median temporarily.
I think it would be interesting to let the property owners decide if they'll go back to the median and reconstruct 75.
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so you want GDOT to see if business owners will sell them their business cheaper compared to bridging over 75? GDOT already gets enough grief(rightly so most of the time), I cant imagine this would be a popular move for them. Condemning a lot of hotels and restaurants in that stretch just would not be popular so GDOT took the path of least resistance to get the project built faster because there would be litigation.
Can GDOT Purchase the land that is occupied by Slum Hotels in DeKalb County Along IH 20? For interstate Expansion? Those hotels have been a serious eyesore in that area for 25+ years! Same with hotels on IH 285 in South Dekalb county....
Quote from: Georgia on May 22, 2021, 04:09:12 PM
The only reason I can think of that it would be northbound would be to drive the truck traffic towards the airport.
It's because the trucks are loaded headed north and largely not headed south. And it's uphill northbound, though by a rather trivial amount.
Quote from: Tomahawkin on May 24, 2021, 09:15:41 PM
Can GDOT Purchase the land that is occupied by Slum Hotels in DeKalb County Along IH 20? For interstate Expansion? Those hotels have been a serious eyesore in that area for 25+ years! Same with hotels on IH 285 in South Dekalb county....
You are opening up a can of worms that was closed out in the 70s.
Quote from: Georgia on May 24, 2021, 06:27:09 PM
so you want GDOT to see if business owners will sell them their business cheaper compared to bridging over 75? GDOT already gets enough grief(rightly so most of the time), I cant imagine this would be a popular move for them. Condemning a lot of hotels and restaurants in that stretch just would not be popular so GDOT took the path of least resistance to get the project built faster because there would be litigation.
As i
North Carolina buys out & demolishes hundreds if not thousands of properties as part of its continuous highway building efforts over the last 3 decades. It isn't unusual and people understand that the greater good comes before their individual property rights.
OK I went and watched the visualization again. It's not that big of a deal coming over to the center median because it really just a total rebuild of all lanes Northbound which is a good thing.
The best part of this is that trucks are going to be forced away from the general purpose lanes and that will benefit everyone.
It will be similar to the NJ Turnpike which n is 3 lanes for trucks (cars can also intermingle) and 3 lanes just cars separated by a concrete median wall in each direction.
Quote from: Tom958 on May 26, 2021, 05:37:26 AM
Quote from: Georgia on May 22, 2021, 04:09:12 PM
The only reason I can think of that it would be northbound would be to drive the truck traffic towards the airport.
It's because the trucks are loaded headed north and largely not headed south. And it's uphill northbound, though by a rather trivial amount.
If the port at Savannah is filling up these trucks then I will agree with your assertion. And there's more of America to the North of Macon than South.
But Florida's almost 22 million people and counting keeps trucks heading South in large numbers.
Georgia is at the nexus of the Southeast, one of the most populous regions of the country with 55 million people.
And yet there are no alternates or redundancies for movement of people or freight and everyone is forced to use I-75 and I-85 and likely endure many hours of delay that strips companies' profits and pollutes the environment more than necessary.
"Get your head out of the sand" is the phrase that keeps coming to mind regarding GDOT.
Quote from: architect77 on May 26, 2021, 12:10:40 PM
people understand that the greater good comes before their individual property rights.
They do? It does? I'm not sure I agree with that.
Quote from: ran4sh on May 27, 2021, 10:11:49 PM
Quote from: architect77 on May 26, 2021, 12:10:40 PM
people understand that the greater good comes before their individual property rights.
They do? It does? I'm not sure I agree with that.
That's a common sentiment here in Georgia unfortunately. Everyone enjoys the appreciation in value of their assets that's the result of Atlanta's world reputation and popularity, and then turn around and balk at the notion of giving anything back to the region "for the greater good" or adequate funding for the infrastructure to accommodate 7 million people and Southeast freight movement.
So, so many of Georgia's issues stem from this mindset, namely GDOT's neglect of spending money on maintenance in minority areas of the metro area. Driving through many parts of Dekalb County is like going back in time to 30 years ago. So many unreadable shoulder signs and shields. It' looks like no one from GDOT has assessed conditions in decades.
The same is true in Latino areas like in Chamblee and Doraville, where street signs and shields are so old that the designs are from the 1950s-1970s.
I-20 West lined with trash that's never picked up, even during a repaving project a few years ago, all comes from this mindset of only spending in the more affluent areas, as if the state is some kind of banana republic without any unity.
It's an ill-advised mindset because states are judged as a whole, and driver's from the West being greeted with an interstate full of trash gives the entire state a black eye and less respect. Most all other states have a uniform level of statewide highway maintenance and therefore it reflects on the state as a whole.
As a proud Georgian, you cannot be happy with a 10 mile backup of tractor trailers on I-85 Southbound every weekday as they wait to get on I-285, their only option to reach the rest of the Southeast West of us.
That is the reality of everyone in North Georgia not willing to give anything back despite all that the region has provided to them.
Georgia's has 200,000-300,000 more people than NC and is the largest state in land area East of the Mississippi. By just looking at the highway map, you'd never know it was the 8th most populous state in the country.
Clearly there is an aversion to building roads and on the Atlanta closeup, even some of the roads shown are in abysmal condition like Moreland Ave US23, which is the only major road for roughly a quarter of the metro area. No improvements like safe shoulder distances or even repaving have been done to that highway in decades. This is not normal or adequate for such a popular and growing major city.
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I think you have it backwards. I agree with your assertion that Georgians dismiss the concept of "greater good", but I disagree with the idea that N Carolinians accept that "greater good" concept. My experience is that we are not that different (and I have lived in both states).
So then why is North Carolina able to build more freeways?
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on May 30, 2021, 07:19:21 PM
So then why is North Carolina able to build more freeways?
The mix of state government power is Raleigh/Wake vs Charlotte/Mecklenburg vs Eastern Carolina rural vs Western Carolina rural. Sometimes, government swings urban versus rural, and sometimes government swings Eastern versus Western. Both scenarios result in a significant portion of highway funds being allocated towards rural development. Also, North Carolina ranks #13 highest in fuel excise taxes $0.3635 per gallon (but not so much more than Georgia #23 at $0.3220 per gallon).
I also think that North Carolina's population being spread out between more urban areas contributes to the need to develop rural highways. Using 2019 data:
- Charlotte CSA 2,386,401
- Raleigh/Durham CSA 2,079,687
- Greensboro CSA 1,689,151
- Fayetteville CSA 854,826
- Asheville CSA 542,821
- Rocky Mount CSA 297,064
- Hickory MSA 369,711
- Wilmington MSA 297,533
- Rocky Mount/Wilson/Roanoke Rapids CSA 297,064
- Greenville MSA+Washington MSA 227,736
- New Bern/Morehead City CSA 193,757
- Virginia Beach/Norfolk CSA 138,917
- Goldsboro MSA 123,131 + Kinston MSA 55,949
- Atlanta CSA 6,820,138
- Savannah CSA 583,882
- Macon/Warner-Robbins CSA 415,405
- Augusta CSA 410,848
- Chattanooga/Dalton CSA 380,933
- Columbus CSA 263,087
- Valdosta MSA 147,292
- Albany MSA 146,726
- Brunswick MSA 118,779
Note that Kinston belongs to Greenville/Kinston/Washington CSA, but is geographically aligned with Goldsboro on the freeway system.
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on May 30, 2021, 07:19:21 PM
So then why is North Carolina able to build more freeways?
It should also be noted that that's only really true in the past 2 decades. Before NC's recent freeway construction, Georgia had more miles, and definitely more lane miles, of freeway. NC has nothing matching Georgia's "Freeing the Freeways" project from the 80s.
Quote from: Dirt Roads on May 30, 2021, 07:56:23 PM
Also, North Carolina ranks #13 highest in fuel excise taxes $0.3635 per gallon (but not so much more than Georgia #23 at $0.3220 per gallon).
Georgia had a recent increase in its fuel tax. For a long time Georgia was known as the state with the lowest fuel taxes in the Southeast.
North Carolina had a large freeway building era in the 1990s and 2000s. It has slowed down to some extent since, but is still progressing more than most states can say. Still major urban projects ongoing with completing Beltways around Winston-Salem, Greensboro, Fayetteville, and Raleigh The previous couple decades focused on the southern part of Greensboro, all of Charlotte's, and the northern part of Raleigh.
For major long distance freeway corridors, the 70s and 90s was mainly US-64 and US-264 (connecting towards the Outer Banks, US-17, and Greenville) late 80s and early 90s was mainly I-40 to Wilmington and through Raleigh-Durham, and then the 90s and 2000s were I-73 and I-74 south of Winston-Salem and Greensboro, plus I-795.
My prediction is the 2020s will largely focus on completing I-42, then the 2030s and into 40s will be I-795 and I-87.
Major widening projects, the 90s was I-40/I-85 from Greensboro to Durham, 2010s was I-85 between Lexington and Charlotte, and the 2020s will be I-95 between Lumberton and I-40, and I-26 south of Asheville.
Obviously there are others, but those are ones that stand out.
Quote from: ran4sh on May 30, 2021, 08:18:17 PM
Quote from: Dirt Roads on May 30, 2021, 07:56:23 PM
Also, North Carolina ranks #13 highest in fuel excise taxes $0.3635 per gallon (but not so much more than Georgia #23 at $0.3220 per gallon).
Georgia had a recent increase in its fuel tax. For a long time Georgia was known as the state with the lowest fuel taxes in the Southeast.
Which would explain why, at many state line crossings (such as
AL 46/GA 166 (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.5380671,-85.3161318,393m/data=!3m1!1e3),
AL 9/GA 20 (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.2507828,-85.4567768,554m/data=!3m1!1e3),
AL 117/GA 48 (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.529585,-85.5157631,874m/data=!3m1!1e3)), there is a gas station immediately on the Georgia side of the line. Naturally, Alabama is now the cheaper state to buy gas in.
I do remember gas prices in Georgia being cheap and even close to South Carolina up until about 2015 or so. I think that is when Georgia passed their gas tax increase. When I travel from NC to South Florida to visit family, I stop for gas twice in SC and then I don't fill up again until the Space Coast area of Florida. I use to fill up in St. Mary's, Georgia right before crossing the Florida border, but since 2015 I have found gas to be cheaper in Florida than Georgia.
Quote from: US 89 on May 30, 2021, 11:42:01 PM
Which would explain why, at many state line crossings (such as AL 46/GA 166 (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.5380671,-85.3161318,393m/data=!3m1!1e3), AL 9/GA 20 (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.2507828,-85.4567768,554m/data=!3m1!1e3), AL 117/GA 48 (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.529585,-85.5157631,874m/data=!3m1!1e3)), there is a gas station immediately on the Georgia side of the line. Naturally, Alabama is now the cheaper state to buy gas in.
Gas prices, or other vices? Alabama still has no lottery, and quite a few counties recently started allowing alcohol sales/still limit them to inside the city limits of "wet" cities.
Quote from: RoadPelican on May 31, 2021, 01:45:33 PM
I do remember gas prices in Georgia being cheap and even close to South Carolina up until about 2015 or so. I think that is when Georgia passed their gas tax increase. When I travel from NC to South Florida to visit family, I stop for gas twice in SC and then I don't fill up again until the Space Coast area of Florida. I use to fill up in St. Mary's, Georgia right before crossing the Florida border, but since 2015 I have found gas to be cheaper in Florida than Georgia.
Yep. I still remember my extended fam in Jackson County, FL drive to Donalsonville, GA to get their gas-18 miles away.
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What is up here preventing a right turn through the piece of road intended for it?
This ramp end at I-95 N Bound Exit 29 makes traffic pass through the intersection rather than bypass it with an easier merge.
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What is up here preventing a right turn through the piece of road intended for it?
This ramp end at I-95 N Bound Exit 29 makes traffic pass through the intersection rather than bypass it with an easier merge.
Must have been problematic somehow given traffic volumes at the merge. Had to use the light to meter and a few pylons were a lot cheaper than ripping out pavement.
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What is up here preventing a right turn through the piece of road intended for it?
This ramp end at I-95 N Bound Exit 29 makes traffic pass through the intersection rather than bypass it with an easier merge.
Must have been problematic somehow given traffic volumes at the merge. Had to use the light to meter and a few pylons were a lot cheaper than ripping out pavement.
If I had to guess, I'd say there was probably an issue with trucks coming off that now-closed ramp and instantly crossing both thru lanes to turn left into the Love's truck stop? Having traffic turn right at the signal, while less convenient, is safer for traffic looking to immediately turn left.
(I took that ramp back in December - while heading up I-95 returning from Florida, I made a small detour to cross the Sidney Lanier Bridge - and I had to wait behind a line of trucks waiting to turn right at the bottom of the ramp.)
Quote from: sprjus4 on May 30, 2021, 08:51:13 PM
North Carolina had a large freeway building era in the 1990s and 2000s. It has slowed down to some extent since, but is still progressing more than most states can say. Still major urban projects ongoing with completing Beltways around Winston-Salem, Greensboro, Fayetteville, and Raleigh The previous couple decades focused on the southern part of Greensboro, all of Charlotte's, and the northern part of Raleigh.
For major long distance freeway corridors, the 70s and 90s was mainly US-64 and US-264 (connecting towards the Outer Banks, US-17, and Greenville) late 80s and early 90s was mainly I-40 to Wilmington and through Raleigh-Durham, and then the 90s and 2000s were I-73 and I-74 south of Winston-Salem and Greensboro, plus I-795.
My prediction is the 2020s will largely focus on completing I-42, then the 2030s and into 40s will be I-795 and I-87.
Major widening projects, the 90s was I-40/I-85 from Greensboro to Durham, 2010s was I-85 between Lexington and Charlotte, and the 2020s will be I-95 between Lumberton and I-40, and I-26 south of Asheville.
Obviously there are others, but those are ones that stand out.
And you got I-140, the Wilson bypass, Clayton bypass, and much more.
Quote from: Rothman on June 11, 2021, 10:40:18 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on June 11, 2021, 10:12:44 AM
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What is up here preventing a right turn through the piece of road intended for it?
This ramp end at I-95 N Bound Exit 29 makes traffic pass through the intersection rather than bypass it with an easier merge.
Must have been problematic somehow given traffic volumes at the merge. Had to use the light to meter and a few pylons were a lot cheaper than ripping out pavement.
Quote from: ran4sh on May 30, 2021, 08:18:17 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on May 30, 2021, 07:19:21 PM
So then why is North Carolina able to build more freeways?
It should also be noted that that's only really true in the past 2 decades. Before NC's recent freeway construction, Georgia had more miles, and definitely more lane miles, of freeway. NC has nothing matching Georgia's "Freeing the Freeways" project from the 80s.
Quote from: Dirt Roads on May 30, 2021, 07:56:23 PM
Also, North Carolina ranks #13 highest in fuel excise taxes $0.3635 per gallon (but not so much more than Georgia #23 at $0.3220 per gallon).
Georgia had a recent increase in its fuel tax. For a long time Georgia was known as the state with the lowest fuel taxes in the Southeast.
I moved here right at the completion of freeing the freeways and it was too fabulous for words.
But using statistics only doesn't tell the true story. As for official interstate miles Georgia did have more miles as the largest state East of the Mississippi.
And for lane miles, if metro Atlanta's 5 and 6 lane portions of the freeway system, which in fact are deceivingly less than you might think given that only the connector, I-85 North I-285 Top End and I-75 North are the only really wide sections....
are fully weighted in the lane mile category, then yes Georgia has plenty.
However anyone judging these lane miles today would reduce them by a percentage because as we all know one slowdown or fender bender will stop the flow of all the lanes, and thus there is a diminishing return on lanes after the first four.
They are less effective in moving vehicles than the same number of lanes miles on separate roads.
But the biggest point I want to make is the thousands and thousands of miles of 4-lane, divided highways in NC (its default ideal road design) that are NEAR INTERSTATE QUALITY.
If you account for those then NC will have double or triple the amount of partially-limited access highways, that in essence, move traffic like interstate highways.
I think that NC must not raising gas tax right now as a gift during the pandemic despite their funds being at an all-time low.
It's hard to compare gas taxes even with the internet because of phrases like "excise" which in Georgia may go to the counties, while NCDOT gets all the money and does all the maintenance on over 80,000 miles miles of roads.
GDOT maintains 35,000-40,000 miles and the rest is up to inidividual municipalities and counties.
NC has been aggressively building new roads since the 80s when I-40 finally reached Raleigh and then to Wilmington.
NCDOT recently was awarded about 10 new interstates numbers as it upgrades the above mentioned "near interstate quality" divided highways to full interstate standards. Some include I-87, I-42, I-74, I-73, and then the many spurs like I-885, I-840.
Quote from: architect77 on June 17, 2021, 02:41:16 AMBut the biggest point I want to make is the thousands and thousands of miles of 4-lane, divided highways in NC (its default ideal road design) that are NEAR INTERSTATE QUALITY.
Indeed, but the highway system in and around Atlanta is significantly more complex than Charlotte and Raleigh (combined), and GDOT has made a lot of highway improvements in the Atlanta Metro over the same timeframe. My argument against comparing Georgia to North Carolina is that one is Atlanta-centric and the other is fairly balanced Rural/Urban... ...in pretty much every area of life. My aunt lived in Stone Mountain on two occasions, and I have worked in Atlanta a fair amount. Quite frankly, I love Atlanta but I wouldn't want to live there.
Quote from: architect77 on June 17, 2021, 01:51:01 AM
As for NC, they have a lot of maintenance needs across the state with many damaged signs etc. There are few sections of I-85 that remain 4 lanes, about 40 miles between Durham and the VA State line, about !5 at the SC State line, and only an 8 mile stretch between Durham and the merging of I-40/ I-85 duplex.
That segment of I-85 north of Durham doesn't really need widening, IMO... low traffic volumes overall (under 30,000 IIRC) and not any heavy truck percentages. It seems adequate with 4 lanes, even during peak travel periods. I-95 is a much more pressing issue, with 40,000-60,000 AADT and significantly higher on peak weekends and travel periods. The entire segment between the South Carolina / Georgia state line and VA I-295 needs a minimum of 3 lanes in each direction.
Quote from: Dirt Roads on June 17, 2021, 01:40:03 PM
Quote from: architect77 on June 17, 2021, 02:41:16 AMBut the biggest point I want to make is the thousands and thousands of miles of 4-lane, divided highways in NC (its default ideal road design) that are NEAR INTERSTATE QUALITY.
Indeed, but the highway system in and around Atlanta is significantly more complex than Charlotte and Raleigh (combined), and GDOT has made a lot of highway improvements in the Atlanta Metro over the same timeframe. My argument against comparing Georgia to North Carolina is that one is Atlanta-centric and the other is fairly balanced Rural/Urban... ...in pretty much every area of life. My aunt lived in Stone Mountain on two occasions, and I have worked in Atlanta a fair amount. Quite frankly, I love Atlanta but I wouldn't want to live there.
If there ever were two states difficult to compare it is NC and Georgia. They dovetail one another in countless ways. NC has robust systems to keep small towns moving forward, and it is a powerful state from hundreds of small towns collectively.
Georgia has very rural expanses populated by citizens that don't want any of the stuff Rural NC begs for. It does "big city" dry well, and the infrastructure it does build is meant to be big and unmistakably like a big, world city.
And while NC tried to keep up with the Northeastern states by being known as
Having the best and most miles of paved roads early on, Georgia didn't establish that same precedent and was more of a capital of the Deep South. Just look at the county's city halls and courthouses which are beautiful and ornate symbols of Southern culture.
But back to highways, don't think that all of the metro's roads are similar and resemble North Fulton or Gwinnett. Last week I was driving in Conyers at night and it was downright barbaric. GA20, which follows a path that would be spot on for and outer perimeter, was dark and dangerous with insufficient shoulders, abrupt inclines and declines, and even the overpasses over I-20 are the bare minimum 60s designs and are not suitable for a 7 million population region.
GDOT ignores 60% of the metro because it is minority populated. And I hate that no one in those communities demand for better conditions.
Like I say Georgia builds very different-looking infrastructure usually going for one big bold stroke and that's it. That big city aesthetic likely wouldn't fly in NC where the local community small scale infrastructure rules, much like Florida save for South Florida.
I heard Peachtree St is getting a makeover, going to check that out.
Quote from: Dirt Roads on June 17, 2021, 01:40:03 PM
Quote from: architect77 on June 17, 2021, 02:41:16 AMBut the biggest point I want to make is the thousands and thousands of miles of 4-lane, divided highways in NC (its default ideal road design) that are NEAR INTERSTATE QUALITY.
Indeed, but the highway system in and around Atlanta is significantly more complex than Charlotte and Raleigh (combined), and GDOT has made a lot of highway improvements in the Atlanta Metro over the same timeframe. My argument against comparing Georgia to North Carolina is that one is Atlanta-centric and the other is fairly balanced Rural/Urban... ...in pretty much every area of life. My aunt lived in Stone Mountain on two occasions, and I have worked in Atlanta a fair amount. Quite frankly, I love Atlanta but I wouldn't want to live there.
I'm going to let these images from TMobile do the talking. Metro Atlanta maybe more complex, but how much of it was thought out and studied and how much was just sprawl guided by development wothout anyone looking at the big picture.
If you want connectivity which offers multiple alternates to get anywhere, then Raleigh, though small, seems to stand out.
These are all at the same scale:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50983326392_b486d9d9cc_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2kFdSGQ)atl (https://flic.kr/p/2kFdSGQ) by Stephen Edwards (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151506681@N05/), on Flickr
I noticed yesterday that this is gone now. I hope it made its way into someone's collection. https://goo.gl/maps/jqgkeb1DpRb6mx3H9
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Quote from: adventurernumber1 on November 15, 2019, 09:05:49 PM
This will be really interesting to see, I've never heard of a travel stop with a scale quite like this before (in terms of the size of the property, and with so many fuel pumps), this is massive. I also like hearing about the good quality of the facilities, and the offering of good foods, so this sounds pretty cool.
Quote from: Tom958 on November 15, 2019, 05:02:46 PM
There's also gonna be a Buc-ee's in Calhoun.
Interesting to hear one of these will be opening up in my neck of the woods (as I live in nearby Dalton), I'll have to check it out once it's opened.
Also on I-75's Exit 310 in Calhoun GA (Union Grove Rd.), (which sounds like will hold the Calhoun location of Buc-ee's), I saw that it appeared a new Love's Truck Stop was under construction there (on the northeast side of the exit) the last time I passed through. That is a new interchange anyway (up until a few years ago, it was just a overpass over the interstate with no exit), and there's a whole lot of industrial activity nearby, so that is the happening place for new development. It's very interesting to see all of this pop up.
We passed through this area this weekend and saw that exit 310 is now where the new routing of GA53 crosses I75 instead of exit 312. It had been several years since we had been through here so I was not aware of the change and missed the turn the first time through. This is part of our Atlanta bypass(US27 from LaGrange to Rome, then GA53 to Calhoun) when we head to eastern TN or points north. It looks like the few minutes gained from the new GA53 routing will then be negated by the inevitable visits to Buc-ee's on future trips. ;-) The Buc-ee's looks like it will be opening very soon.
This overpass is going to be closed a while. What looked to be a raised dump truck smoked the SR 86 bridge over I-16 and displaced it 6 feet! How fast was that truck going!!
https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/georgia-interstate-bridge-shifts-6-feet-after-truck-crash-road-closed-indefinitely/5BRWDRQPWZC3HJIMZYQZSWWY54/
Thank Gawd that didn't Happen on IH 20 or IH 75 or IH 85. Especially any of the other main routes to Florida...Those detours can add an additional 1-3 hours...
I-16 is going to be closed until Sunday between MP 71 and 78. GDOT is planning to get one lane open up each way by then with I-16 not being fully reopen until the end of next week. God I hope no one here is going to Savannah/Tybee/etc.
I'm going to Jacksonville in 2 weeks but I'm taking 75 to 10....
Quote from: Tomahawkin on July 15, 2021, 09:53:34 PM
I'm going to Jacksonville in 2 weeks but I'm taking 75 to 10....
I'll be out of town shortly after. Have a family event to be at next month.
Both westbound lanes are open and GDOT is hoping to have eastbound open by Sunday
Edit: all lanes have re-opened now
Days later: I first heard about the recent I-16 incident from Facebook, from the various GDOT pages I follow, then from FreewayJim and other groups. GDOT was using screenshots from Google Maps to illustrate the closure, and it became obvious that Google was unaware of the closure. I asked (knowing the answer was NO) whether GDOT had any system in place for notifying the various navigation systems of major closures and detours. Of course, they wouldn't say yes or no, but they stated that the most up-to-date information was at their 511 information line or at 511ga.org. I didn't bother to ask how often drivers were expected to call 511 or check 511ga.org while driving, or explain to them that various services would notify drivers of the problem and direct them around it- - as long as they know there's a problem. Apparently, no one on GDOT's social media team is familiar with real-time navigation apps. WTF?
Later on, as if to belabor the point, GDOT posted a screenshot of Google Maps again (https://www.facebook.com/GeorgiaDOT/posts/10159688058236096) and offered this:
Quote from: GDOTHelpful Tip: Set your GPS device to "˜avoid interstates' for alternate routes around the I-16 closure in Treutlen County. Visit 511 Georgia for the latest travel info. www.511ga.org
What is wrong with these f**king people?
Of course, I posted a Waze screenshot showing a minimal detour through Soperton, and my own advice: "Or people could use Waze instead of Google Maps. Waze has user input, so major incidents get reported by the public even if GDOT, the State Patrol, and the various police forces in the area are uninterested in reporting it themselves."
Of course, I posted a Waze screenshot of the area.
Google owns Waze. They are essentially one in the same now.
Google typically wont send drivers down closed roads, so the route google showed would have been the fastest at the time. Google Maps would have shown your time and distance and then said this route avoids road closure on Interstate 16 and Georgia 406 or whatever the # is.
You want GDOT to do this? Seems like a waste of funds and you already complain about what they do with their current funding levels.
This past weekend I got some pictures of all the activity on GA 316, which is looking good.
Taken of the Harbins Rd. exit under construction:
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Taken of the newly completed interchange with GA 81:
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Taken of the GA 11 interchange currently under construction:
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Taken of the GA 53 interchange currently under construction:
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I'll also be interested to see how the new Winder bypass ties in with everything, so there's a lot to look forward to. I'm glad to see these projects unfolding at a much more rapid pace, GA 316 needs it that's for sure. :D
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Great Pics.. I have said it for 10 years, 316 should be 8 lanes total all the way to Athens, Winder, Auburn, Commerce, are all suburbs of Atlanta now, and the 2 lane roads at intersections don't cut it. 316 being 8 lanes total to Athens also helps with UGA traffic. Taking US 78 to Athens, Sucks...
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on September 23, 2021, 06:06:38 PM
This past weekend I got some pictures of all the activity on GA 316, which is looking good.
Taken of the newly completed interchange with GA 81:
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Exit 5???
Are they basing mileage on the distance in the counties instead of the entire route? If so, that so stupid.
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on September 24, 2021, 12:23:07 AM
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on September 23, 2021, 06:06:38 PM
This past weekend I got some pictures of all the activity on GA 316, which is looking good.
Taken of the newly completed interchange with GA 81:
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210923/b27220aa96543950754c80df2d633df9.jpg)
Exit 5???
Are they basing mileage on the distance in the counties instead of the entire route? If so, that so stupid.
I think so, as I remember the mile markers resetting once entering Barrow County, after rising to at least 14 in Gwinnett County. The mile markers were styled like this:
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So that is indeed strange that they reset instead of being continuous, and it threw me off as well when I noticed they had reset.
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Same way in Kentucky and Tennessee on any routes (aside from Interstates).
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on September 24, 2021, 12:23:07 AM
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on September 23, 2021, 06:06:38 PM
This past weekend I got some pictures of all the activity on GA 316, which is looking good.
Taken of the newly completed interchange with GA 81:
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210923/b27220aa96543950754c80df2d633df9.jpg)
Exit 5???
Are they basing mileage on the distance in the counties instead of the entire route? If so, that so stupid.
That baffles me too, as does the lack of exit arrows on the signs in both directions.
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on September 24, 2021, 12:23:07 AM
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on September 23, 2021, 06:06:38 PM
This past weekend I got some pictures of all the activity on GA 316, which is looking good.
Taken of the newly completed interchange with GA 81:
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210923/b27220aa96543950754c80df2d633df9.jpg)
Exit 5???
Are they basing mileage on the distance in the counties instead of the entire route? If so, that so stupid.
I wonder why there is no arrow on the sign!
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on September 24, 2021, 12:23:07 AM
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on September 23, 2021, 06:06:38 PM
This past weekend I got some pictures of all the activity on GA 316, which is looking good.
Taken of the newly completed interchange with GA 81:
Exit 5???
Are they basing mileage on the distance in the counties instead of the entire route? If so, that so stupid.
Mile markers in GA are done that way all over the state - they reset at county lines.
The exit numbering, if kept as is, would be a first for GA. Normally non-interstate freeways simply use sequential numbering (e.g. SR 400, US 78 in Atlanta, US 80 in Columbus).
Quote from: ran4sh on September 29, 2021, 01:50:59 AMThe exit numbering, if kept as is, would be a first for GA. Normally non-interstate freeways simply use sequential numbering (e.g. SR 400, US 78 in Atlanta, US 80 in Columbus).
I should contact my legislators about introducing a bill to renumber the exits on 316 and 400 based on mileage from their western and southern termini. Redo the mileposts accordingly, too, I guess.
Dropping this last thing on Friday afternoon. :awesomeface:
Carmaggedon, the closure of all but three lanes of I-285 in each direction through the GA 400 interchange, formerly scheduled for any day now, has been postponed until June! I'm guessing that the delay will allow the east-west collector-distributor roads to open before the big closure, providing a bit more capacity.
The closure is to allow the demolition and replacement of the bridges carrying 285 over Glenridge Drive, GA 400, and Peachtree Dunwoody Road. I've heard 200 days for that, but don't hold me to it.
Project newsletter (https://mailchi.mp/247490f7a0e5/i285-lane-reductions-update-1341240)
GDOT Facebook post (https://www.facebook.com/GeorgiaDOT/posts/10159841109441096)
CheeseWhiz! This project will not be done til 2023, by then the work of Adding elevated toll bridges from 285 to 400 North will begin. This project is already going on 5 years. They should have did what Dallas did with IH 630
Quote from: Tomahawkin on October 01, 2021, 08:30:32 PM
what Dallas did with IH 630
Build it in an adjacent state?
Quote from: Tomahawkin on October 01, 2021, 08:30:32 PM
CheeseWhiz! This project will not be done til 2023...
Yes, but: I first heard that the delay was until March, which had me pretty incensed. By the time they notified the public, it was up to June, which makes me feel better about it because...
Right now, 285 has five lanes in each direction as it passes under the bridges at Ashford Dunwoody and Roswell Roads. When the project is finished, there will be a single two-lane ramp in each direction to carry traffic to and from 400 and Roswell Road eastbound and westbound to Peachtree Dunwoody. There will also be combined single onramps doing almost the same thing in reverse. So, there will be twelve lanes passing under the Ashford Dunwoody and Roswell Road bridges: a four-lane mainline and a two-lane ramp in each direction instead of today's single five-lane roadways.
I'm assuming that waiting until June will allow these ramps to be nearly completed before the mainline bridge replacements start. Narrowing four lanes to three isn't great, but it's better than narrowing five lanes to three.
I should point out that there's no continuous CD road running through the interchange in either direction, let alone both. On the contrary, only the westbound connection from 400 to Roswell Road even is a CD. The others are braided ramps. However, at this point the extended offramps to Ashford Dunwoody and Roswell Road are both already open, and they both start before and end after the mainline bridge replacement zone, diverting still more traffic away from the critical area. In fact, the westbound mainline beyond the CD is already down to four lanes. :clap:
So, the project will take longer, but the distress it inflicts will be less severe. I'm down with that, I guess.
Plus June wont have any school traffic, which while not an impact on the actual interstates themselves; should relieve some of the stress on the connecting side streets.
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This past weekend I got some pictures of all the activity on GA 316, which is looking good.
Taken of the newly completed interchange with GA 81:
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210923/b27220aa96543950754c80df2d633df9.jpg)
Exit 5???
Are they basing mileage on the distance in the counties instead of the entire route? If so, that so stupid.
I wonder why there is no arrow on the sign!
My first thought also. Then more wasted money on a $50,000 gantry for a single sign because some weirdo at GDOT banned using cantilevered sign supports which cost less, look better, and are less blemishing on the landscape.
And then they can't ever install them visually level, they lean down to one side.
And then those shoulder signs aren't on concrete footings so they'll be damaged by the wind or an automobile within a few months.
It's cheaper in the long run to spend on a high quality install than will last for 20 years.
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on September 23, 2021, 06:06:38 PM
This past weekend I got some pictures of all the activity on GA 316, which is looking good.
Taken of the newly completed interchange with GA 81:
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210923/b27220aa96543950754c80df2d633df9.jpg)
Quote from: architect77 on October 06, 2021, 11:45:40 PM
And then they can't ever install them visually level, they lean down to one side.
Having installed many railroad signal cantilevers (and even more cantilevered flashing light signals at grade crossings), I also fail to understand the use of sign bridges in these cases. In most cases (both cantilevers and sign bridges), they will get the elevation of the foundations correct but one or both of the foundations will sink shortly after installation. There's a goodly amount of subgrade work that needs to be done to permanently stabilize the foundations. At CSX, we didn't have access to the equipment to do the necessary subgrade work so we started digging huge deep holes, took 48" corregated pipes and filled them with concrete in stages to get the same result.
All that being said, there's a fair amount of play on the base height of the footers. There's a tendency to mount the tower plates almost directly on the concrete foundation, but they are actually designed to come with various types of shims to adjust the base elevation (to make them visually level). We were required to visually inspect the cantilevers many times and make adjustments as needed. (You've got to do this before the bolts start to corrode). Perfectly level and visually level are not always the same.
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Quote from: adventurernumber1 on September 23, 2021, 06:06:38 PM
This past weekend I got some pictures of all the activity on GA 316, which is looking good.
Taken of the newly completed interchange with GA 81:
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210923/b27220aa96543950754c80df2d633df9.jpg)
Quote from: architect77 on October 06, 2021, 11:45:40 PM
And then they can't ever install them visually level, they lean down to one side.
Having installed many railroad signal cantilevers (and even more cantilevered flashing light signals at grade crossings), I also fail to understand the use of sign bridges in these cases. In most cases (both cantilevers and sign bridges), they will get the elevation of the foundations correct but one or both of the foundations will sink shortly after installation. There's a goodly amount of subgrade work that needs to be done to permanently stabilize the foundations. At CSX, we didn't have access to the equipment to do the necessary subgrade work so we started digging huge deep holes, took 48" corregated pipes and filled them with concrete in stages to get the same result.
All that being said, there's a fair amount of play on the base height of the footers. There's a tendency to mount the tower plates almost directly on the concrete foundation, but they are actually designed to come with various types of shims to adjust the base elevation (to make them visually level). We were required to visually inspect the cantilevers many times and make adjustments as needed. (You've got to do this before the bolts start to corrode). Perfectly level and visually level are not always the same.
Most of the gantries in metro Atlanta on older freeways and recently overhauled one lean down to the right shoulder. That goes along with your rationale, except they are all so uniformly similar in their lean that no natural subduction could act the same. I think they do try to stabilize these structures well, though they do not build concrete footings for most of the shoulder signs, and the wind and earth movement leave them looking bad in a few months.
I get what you're saying, but all other states seem to always succeed in erecting level assemblies.
I notice that if they're attalhed to an overpass, they'll mount them parallel to the slop of the overpass, not for the intended audience in the lanes below.
I think they purposely make them lean but it's not doing the state any favors or commanding much respect.
Work continues on the reconstruction and widening of I-85 north(east) of Atlanta from Braselton to Jefferson. Most of the work is being done at the two ends of the construction zone. At the north end near Jefferson, they've installed beams over the Oconee River on the new bridge piers. At the south end near Braselton, they've installed a two-mile segment of rebar for the median barrier, and the subbase for the new inner lanes and inner shoulders.
I drove the new alignment of SR 92 in Dougalsville yesterday and it was decent; still some work going on near Bankhead/the railroad overpass. If I hadnt been that way a million times, i would not have known where the old alignment was located and the north end of the project ties into the south end of the widening project that runs into Paulding County. I cant imagine how much nicer it is operationally for tractor-trailers.
Here is a nifty 1921 Guide to the entirety of the Georgia State Highway system. Done in the style of the Automobile Blue Books, except instead of just a handful of major travel routes, this book does all 55 of Georgia's state routes in 1921. Wish other states had this...
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015070321461&view=1up&seq=1&skin=2021
A 1937 bridge collapsed into the Yellow River during demolition a couple of days ago, killing one worker and badly injuring two others. I'm posting this link to one of GDOT's Facebook pages (https://www.facebook.com/GDOTEast/posts/177383534568238) because the photos are the best I've seen. It appears that the girders of the end spans cantilevered out beyond the bents, with the main span over the river resting on beam seats at the ends of the girders of the side spans. Perhaps there were limits on the length of members that could be transported to the jobsite by rail.
The bridge carried the south frontage road for I-20 (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.6146655,-83.915519,145m/data=!3m1!1e3), but originally carried GA 12, the highway from Atlanta to Augusta that eventually became US 278. I photographed it a few years ago and posted the pics in a closed Facebook group for Georgia highways, but I can't find them now.
Quote from: Mapmikey on October 20, 2021, 08:46:21 PM
Here is a nifty 1921 Guide to the entirety of the Georgia State Highway system. Done in the style of the Automobile Blue Books, except instead of just a handful of major travel routes, this book does all 55 of Georgia's state routes in 1921. Wish other states had this...
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015070321461&view=1up&seq=1&skin=2021
Quote from: Mapmikey on October 20, 2021, 08:46:21 PM
Here is a nifty 1921 Guide to the entirety of the Georgia State Highway system. Done in the style of the Automobile Blue Books, except instead of just a handful of major travel routes, this book does all 55 of Georgia's state routes in 1921. Wish other states had this...
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015070321461&view=1up&seq=1&skin=2021
I searched and found NC highway maps from about this time and then every few years up to the present. What's funny is how the shape of North Carolina varies in the early hand drawn maps
https://web.lib.unc.edu/nc-maps/highway.php
Was checking on the status of the Jimmy DeLoach Parkway Extension (SR 17CO) at Booking, and noticed that the completion date was moved back from 10/31/21 to 05/31/22
http://www.dot.ga.gov/applications/geopi/Pages/Dashboard.aspx?ProjectId=522790-
A minor but interesting change: The ramp from westbound US 78 to westbound GA 236 has been realigned to intersect the ramp from eastbound 78 at about a sixty-degree angle, roughly along the treeline at the edge of the power line easement you see in this satellite view (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.8257417,-84.1524709,499m/data=!3m1!1e3). Doing this eliminated the former free-flow ramp terminal and the resultant weaving section- - westbound traffic now has a stop sign and a no left turn.
The reason they did this is that afternoon peak traffic is very heavy headed eastward from 78, then turning right onto Lilburn-Stone Mountain Road and toward Five Forks-Trickum Road, making the former weaving section pretty hairy. That problem is gone now, with the former weaving lane converted into a generous right turn lane. However, the eastbound ramp backs up far beyond the relocated ramp terminal at rush hour. With only a stop sign there, westbound drivers won't be able to enter the road unless eastbound drivers give them a break. We'll see how that works out, I guess. I suspect that they'll end up putting a traffic light there, perhaps flashing except at rush hour.
That 78 West ramp was in dire need for over 10 years. I used to work in that area. Both of the intersections at 236 and Five Forks Trickum need more turn lanes to accommodate rush hour and school traffic
Quote from: Tomahawkin on November 14, 2021, 09:40:06 PM
That 78 West ramp was in dire need for over 10 years. I used to work in that area. Both of the intersections at 236 and Five Forks Trickum need more turn lanes to accommodate rush hour and school traffic
More like thirty years.
Really, by any reasonable planning standard, Five Forks-Trickum should've been four-laned from that interchange eastward, eventually all the way to Lawrenceville. That would've required pretty much obliterating that whole area to build an adequate interchange. It was on the books in the early nineties, but the 1992 repeal of Gwinnett's impact fee ordinance before it was ever enforced coupled with the nineties' spike in construction costs torpedoed that before it ever got started.
Quote from: architect77 on December 09, 2021, 06:59:22 PM
The Southeast shouldn't be developed like that because to enjoy the abundant land and tree canopy we should be interwoven into the landscape. Trees and tree cover are our best weapon to fight warming of the planet.
Tell that to South Carolina, which was working hard to clear-cut all the trees in the median of I-95 (last time I was through there, 2 years ago). The explanation was that if someone crashed into the median, hitting a tree would not be A Good Thing. It would seem that the better plan would be cable guardrails like other states have installed/are installing and keep the trees for the benefit they provide.
Quote from: VTGoose on December 10, 2021, 12:01:26 PM
Quote from: architect77 on December 09, 2021, 06:59:22 PM
The Southeast shouldn't be developed like that because to enjoy the abundant land and tree canopy we should be interwoven into the landscape. Trees and tree cover are our best weapon to fight warming of the planet.
Well the types of trees start to change in SC, some of them probably are prickly shrub types.
I too miss the occasional separation of each direction of roadway with a cluster of natural forest like in Virginia.
NC doesn't have hardly any of these "islands" left.
Tell that to South Carolina, which was working hard to clear-cut all the trees in the median of I-95 (last time I was through there, 2 years ago). The explanation was that if someone crashed into the median, hitting a tree would not be A Good Thing. It would seem that the better plan would be cable guardrails like other states have installed/are installing and keep the trees for the benefit they provide.
Well the types of trees start to change in SC, some of them probably are prickly shrub types.
I too miss the occasional separation of each direction of roadway with a cluster of natural forest like in Virginia.
NC doesn't have hardly any of these "islands" left.
Quote from: VTGoose on December 10, 2021, 12:01:26 PM
Quote from: architect77 on December 09, 2021, 06:59:22 PM
The Southeast shouldn't be developed like that because to enjoy the abundant land and tree canopy we should be interwoven into the landscape. Trees and tree cover are our best weapon to fight warming of the planet.
Tell that to South Carolina, which was working hard to clear-cut all the trees in the median of I-95 (last time I was through there, 2 years ago). The explanation was that if someone crashed into the median, hitting a tree would not be A Good Thing. It would seem that the better plan would be cable guardrails like other states have installed/are installing and keep the trees for the benefit they provide.
There's plenty of cable guardrail in SC, I'm sure they have considered it.
Quote from: VTGoose on December 10, 2021, 12:01:26 PM
Quote from: architect77 on December 09, 2021, 06:59:22 PM
The Southeast shouldn't be developed like that because to enjoy the abundant land and tree canopy we should be interwoven into the landscape. Trees and tree cover are our best weapon to fight warming of the planet.
Tell that to South Carolina, which was working hard to clear-cut all the trees in the median of I-95 (last time I was through there, 2 years ago). The explanation was that if someone crashed into the median, hitting a tree would not be A Good Thing. It would seem that the better plan would be cable guardrails like other states have installed/are installing and keep the trees for the benefit they provide.
I believe there is new clear zone guidance/requirements. GDOT is also taking down trees on 75 NW of Atlanta on the shoulders mostly
Crossposted to The good, the bad, and the ugly (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=11045.msg2703554;topicseen#msg2703554)
These appeared within the last couple of weeks as the new interchange at GA 316 and Harbins Road (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.9734642,-83.8983583,1055m/data=!3m1!1e3) replaced the former traffic signal there. Apologies for the poor quality, but we were facing directly into the sun and it took every bit of photo-editing power my Galaxy S10 could muster to make them this clear. It also dramatizes the fact that there are visibility issues in addition to the comprehension issues I'm about to discuss.
This sign is at the beginning of an auxiliary lane added to develop the capacity of the two-lane, two-destination offramp ahead. There's an MUTCD-compliant way to sign this condition-- as it happens, it was used a few miles up the road a couple of years ago (https://goo.gl/maps/bHpSTLQCSSEu2xir9). Nobody really likes it, though, and GDOT usually does something else, such as this (https://goo.gl/maps/RGmKL61YsBiJYo3J6) or even this (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.017497,-84.0636742,3a,23y,212.86h,88.18t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seoBXnLgeYFOVy9kL9dmr1g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192).
Here, though, GDOT decided to go with an MUTCD-defiant unisign, a concept that, as I understand it, proved inferior to APL's in whatever testing was done, which is why APLs are in the MUTCD and unisigns like this aren't. The divider line, rather than being placed directly above the center arrow to indicate an option lane, is located to the left of said arrow, indicating, incorrectly, that two lanes go to the offramp and only one continues on the mainline. Really, it would've been more accurate to use a conventional (MUTCD-defiant) sign like this (https://goo.gl/maps/754VPytX8b3SQP3PA) with an arrowless pullthrough. I guess that they did it this way because they really, really wanted to inform drivers that the offramp splits later on, causing the Sugarloaf Parkway text to displace the dividing line from its proper location. Ironically and infuriatingly, the Sugarloaf Parkway branch of the offramp is closed, with Sugarloaf traffic using a temporary offramp in the vicinity of the bridge we see in the distance.
(https://i.imgur.com/9v5mG3s.jpg)
Next comes an APL at the exit divergence. Again, the Sugarloaf Parkway text displaces the divider line to the left of its correct location. Note to designers: The dividing line on an APL ALWAYS goes in the crotch of the split arrow. Here, IMO, they would've done better to omit it altogether. Or, better, they could've gone with
Sugarloaf Pkwy
Harbins Road
and not had a problem.
Also, as I mentioned before, the Sugarloaf Parkway branch of the offramp isn't open, and drivers bound there need to stay on the mainline until the vicinity of the bridge. They should've blacked out the curved part of the split arrow, not the straight part. WTF were they thinking?
But, wait: there's more: There's no reason to encourage drivers to use both lanes of the ramp because the ramp enters a tortuous one-lane detour shortly after the not-yet-operational split. Wow.
(https://i.imgur.com/fkpCOD4.jpg)
One more thing, and this is design rather than signage: They really shouldn't have combined Sugarloaf and Harbins onto a single offramp. As you can see, it needlessly complicates signage and operations. Besides, they're separate exits in the other direction anyway.
I'm amazed that they didn't just widen 316 through there at the same time of doing that construction. Passing lanes are badly needed there during rush hour, IMO
Quote from: Tomahawkin on February 01, 2022, 10:03:12 PM
I'm amazed that they didn't just widen 316 through there at the same time of doing that construction. Passing lanes are badly needed there during rush hour, IMO
None of the projects for adding interchanges to 316 added mainline lanes. Eliminating the traffic signals adds at least as much capacity as another lane would.
I didn't mention it, but the 316 shield pointing from southbound Harbins onto the westbound 316 onramp is a Mississippi-style ellipse, not a Georgia shield. Oops.
Hello!
I've recently come back to the AARoad Forums and wanted to get familiar with the Georgia board.
Just wanted to speak on projects around Savannah considering I'm closer to that area than the Atlanta area. :sombrero:
i am not sure but i have heard they may be one decent sized project going on in the Savannah area heh
Quote from: MarcusDoT on February 07, 2022, 10:37:15 PM
Hello!
I've recently come back to the AARoad Forums and wanted to get familiar with the Georgia board.
Just wanted to speak on projects around Savannah considering I'm closer to that area than the Atlanta area. :sombrero:
Welcome back! :wave:
I haven't been in the area in a few years (though may be headed that way sometime this year), but have they started work yet on the I-16/I-95 interchange project yet (if it is still on as planned)?
That'll be an interesting project, and there's plenty more interesting stuff going on already in the Savannah area such as the southwestern extension of Jimmy Deloach Parkway.
I'm also curious to see the progress on the I-75/I-16 interchange project (which has been ongoing for a few years) next time I'm headed down.
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on February 08, 2022, 07:09:29 PM
Quote from: MarcusDoT on February 07, 2022, 10:37:15 PM
Hello!
I've recently come back to the AARoad Forums and wanted to get familiar with the Georgia board.
Just wanted to speak on projects around Savannah considering I'm closer to that area than the Atlanta area. :sombrero:
Welcome back! :wave:
I haven't been in the area in a few years (though may be headed that way sometime this year), but have they started work yet on the I-16/I-95 interchange project yet (if it is still on as planned)?
That'll be an interesting project, and there's plenty more interesting stuff going on already in the Savannah area such as the southwestern extension of Jimmy Deloach Parkway.
I'm also curious to see the progress on the I-75/I-16 interchange project (which has been ongoing for a few years) next time I'm headed down.
GDOT often posts photos of 16-95 on Facebook, but rarely if ever of 16-75. With its twin flyovers, 16-95 is a lot more photogenic.
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on February 08, 2022, 07:09:29 PM
Quote from: MarcusDoT on February 07, 2022, 10:37:15 PM
Hello!
I've recently come back to the AARoad Forums and wanted to get familiar with the Georgia board.
Just wanted to speak on projects around Savannah considering I'm closer to that area than the Atlanta area. :sombrero:
Welcome back! :wave:
I haven't been in the area in a few years (though may be headed that way sometime this year), but have they started work yet on the I-16/I-95 interchange project yet (if it is still on as planned)?
That'll be an interesting project, and there's plenty more interesting stuff going on already in the Savannah area such as the southwestern extension of Jimmy Deloach Parkway.
I'm also curious to see the progress on the I-75/I-16 interchange project (which has been ongoing for a few years) next time I'm headed down.
They haven't posted much about the I-75/I-16 interchange as far as I know, probably due to the simple fact that I do not follow the regional DOT on social media, but when I went over to Macon last year, it look like it was making decent progress. It wasn't the best looking but you can tell that it was slowly starting to make strides in its construction. I-95/I-16 interchange on the other hand is doing very well, they're starting to install the concrete supports for the flyover, and even updating bridges near the I-516/I-16 interchange, which was needed severely.
Yesterday I acquired a 1964 Rand McNally road atlas, which confirmed something I've suspected for a while but didn't know: According to the Georgia map, by 1964, I-85 was open from GA 51 to GA 77, near the SC line, while the rest north of what's now I-985 was still under construction. I always thought that the entire section from 985 to the SC line was oppressively uniform in appearance, but in fact the bridges from GA 51 north have the earliest type of two-tube metal guardrail (https://goo.gl/maps/xVi8yk4v7VeE3bxs5) while the ones south of there have open concrete rails of what I call the intermediate type (https://goo.gl/maps/duTKeB1T52HPb4LP9).
Also, this and every other relevant map I've seen shows no crossing of the Savannah River-Lake Hartwell at or near that of I-85. Apparently, the bridge carrying GA-SC 59 over the river was inundated by the lake before the higher I-85 bridge could be completed!
It also shows I-75 under construction from the TN-GA line to GA 53 in Calhoun. the southern extent is believable, but the northern end was completed much earlier, I presume concurrently with I-75 and I-24 in Tennessee. In fact, this 1959 USCGS map (https://www.historicaerials.com/location/34.93942227247898/-85.1630789239894/T1959/1) shows it complete north of GA 151 in Ringgold.
Since I've come this far, I-75 is show as complete from the northern end of what's now called Florida's Turnpike to Unadilla and under construction to the southern outskirts of Macon, just south of I-475.
Has anyone yet been on the Argyle Bypass in South Georgia? According to GSV, which last captured it in 2018, the roadway is a two lane divided highway on that part of US 84.
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(sorry for the poor image quality, this was the most successful of my attempts during the twilight lighting)
Along with all the tree-cutting on the sides of the road, they also seem to be replacing the old mile markers along I-75 with the newer kind with the interstate shield and cardinal direction on it. It looks to be complete on I-75 Northbound from at least Calhoun to the Tennessee line, but as of now the Southbound lanes still have the old mile markers.
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It also looks like they are replacing some (or all?) of the BGS'ses which I noticed on I-75 Northbound tonight, but I am unsure of the reasoning for this.
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Quote from: adventurernumber1 on March 17, 2022, 10:12:47 PMIt also looks like they are replacing some (or all?) of the BGS'ses which I noticed on I-75 Northbound tonight, but I am unsure of the reasoning for this.
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Generally, signs are replaced when their reflectivity no longer meets standards. On a section of I-85 in Gwinnett, the mainline signs were replaced while the ones on the CDs weren't (https://goo.gl/maps/RQsyoDUfZGxZK9v69). I guess the ones on the CDs get less wear and tear than the ones on the mainline. :crazy:
While we're in that general area: A couple of weeks ago, I got on I-75 at GA 225 and discovered this (https://goo.gl/maps/jJ7XMs1fjt2w49qy6): a new one-lane northbound roadway cut into the former slope pavement so the original two-lane roadway could be used for southbound traffic alone. I don't think I've seen that done anywhere else.
There is a project to replace all signage on the first 80 miles south of Tennessee
Quote from: Georgia on March 19, 2022, 10:09:11 PM
There is a project to replace all signage on the first 80 miles south of Tennessee
I wish they'd at least update the signage from the airport to downtown for a consistent, updated look.
I feel that the Southside is intentionally neglected which is infuriating.
When a new sign is added for a destination like Tyler Perry studios, the letters are jumbled together and not matching with the typical ones. It's like Public Works or something is hand-making these one-off signs. But lots of cities have their share of oddities.
Also from the above pics, it seems like metal must be expensive because of the tight fit of the info without any breathing room.
Augusta has the nicest-looking overheads in the state in my opinion, especially along I-520 Westbound.
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on March 17, 2022, 10:12:47 PM
Along with all the tree-cutting on the sides of the road, they also seem to be replacing the old mile markers along I-75 with the newer kind with the interstate shield and cardinal direction on it. It looks to be complete on I-75 Northbound from at least Calhoun to the Tennessee line, but as of now the Southbound lanes still have the old mile markers.
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It also looks like they are replacing some (or all?) of the BGS'ses which I noticed on I-75 Northbound tonight, but I am unsure of the reasoning for this.
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Quite Bizarre. Perhaps something to do with narrow ROW space on outside of roadway? Although it is stated they replaced "normal" BGS's. Okay - wind loading. Perhaps it has something to do with wind loading, as in a hurricane. And the letter spacing on that "Chatsworth" sign is all messed up.
Quote from: Georgia on April 28, 2022, 06:03:00 PM
https://gdot.maps.arcgis.com/sharing/rest/content/items/c134c988644c465587eff605ab837393/data
I think that is the relevant roll map
Yes, that's it. Sorry for the wild goose chase, everyone.
This came up on my Facebook feed tonight: the virtual public meeting for the I-85-McGinnis Ferry Road interchange (https://0013104-gdot.hub.arcgis.com/?fbclid=IwAR3vEF9TZS0NDfLAqyiOSPd82fGu1nr4oMAzCG-DuTXMyU6hyRMUm75Ela4). Serendipitously, the text refers to the south-facing ramps as collector-distributors, which they aren't. Plan view (http://www.dot.ga.gov/systems/ProjectDocuments/0013104-0017110/PI%200017110%20PHOH%20DISPLAY%2001%2019%202022.pdf). If they're actively trying to piss me off, it's working.
Quote from: Tomahawkin on June 08, 2022, 10:04:38 PM
Yeah! I will. I wish G-DOT would Co-Sign with our suggestions! Especially our suggestions about some kind of North-South bypass of Atlanta Especially for Truck and Summer traffic en route to and from Florida...
Probably a fantasy highway, but extending I-77 south to Valdosta would be a north-south "bypass" of Atlanta that would provide an easier way to reach the west coast of Florida and I-75. Run it down I-20 from Columbia to Augusta, then roughly follow the U.S. 221 corridor to Valdosta. In addition to shifting traffic off the I-26/I-95/I-4 or I-10 jaunt to reach I-75, a new interstate would open up a part of Georgia to a better road than the mostly two-lane highways through small towns that exist now. Midwest traffic could drop into Knoxville on I-75 (or I-40) and take I-40 east to pick up I-26 at Asheville. The swing east to Columbia wouldn't be much different than the swing west on I-75 through the problem of Chattanooga. The advantage overall would be avoiding going anywhere near Atlanta.
The portion of that proposal through GA is already a GRIP corridor if you're willing to go slightly out of the way through Waycross. All that stands in the way of a continuous four lane Valdosta-Waycross-Augusta highway is some upgrades to US 1 in Toombs and Jefferson Counties, which are probably coming in the not too distant future.
https://www.augustachronicle.com/story/news/local/the-news-and-farmer/2021/09/26/final-piece-us-1-widening-project-advances-contract-awarded/5829436001/
All of US 1 in Georgia should be 4 lanes by the end of 2024.
I was on 316 in Barrow County recently and I noticed that the interchange with SR 53 (SR 8, US 29 Business) is now open. The exit number is 27, which reflects the overall mileage of 316 rather than the Barrow County mileage (which was used for "exit 5" at the SR 81 interchange). There are a few signs posted along the mainline that are supposed to go along the ramps, such as the directional signs indicating Winder and Watkinsville to the left and right. The BGS destination legend reads "Hog Mtn Road" (I would have preferred control cities) and omits SR 8 and US 29 Business, I didn't take the exit so I'm not sure if those routes are signed from the ramps or not.
Quote from: ran4sh on June 18, 2022, 10:37:17 AM
I was on 316 in Barrow County recently and I noticed that the interchange with SR 53 (SR 8, US 29 Business) is now open. The exit number is 27, which reflects the overall mileage of 316 rather than the Barrow County mileage (which was used for "exit 5" at the SR 81 interchange). There are a few signs posted along the mainline that are supposed to go along the ramps, such as the directional signs indicating Winder and Watkinsville to the left and right. The BGS destination legend reads "Hog Mtn Road" (I would have preferred control cities) and omits SR 8 and US 29 Business, I didn't take the exit so I'm not sure if those routes are signed from the ramps or not.
As far as I know, those are the first mile-based exit numbers in Georgia that are not on an interstate. I like that. Now if only they could renumber the ones on 400...
Out of curiosity? Why wasn't 400 named a spur interstate? Im guessing 1980's local opposition? 400 Does more traffic than interstate 20 in Jackson MISS. 400 not being a designated interstate costs the state federal funding to assist in freeway improvements...
Quote from: ran4sh on June 18, 2022, 10:37:17 AM
I was on 316 in Barrow County recently and I noticed that the interchange with SR 53 (SR 8, US 29 Business) is now open. The exit number is 27, which reflects the overall mileage of 316 rather than the Barrow County mileage (which was used for "exit 5" at the SR 81 interchange). There are a few signs posted along the mainline that are supposed to go along the ramps, such as the directional signs indicating Winder and Watkinsville to the left and right. The BGS destination legend reads "Hog Mtn Road" (I would have preferred control cities) and omits SR 8 and US 29 Business, I didn't take the exit so I'm not sure if those routes are signed from the ramps or not.
Great news, though, of course, there never should've been any hesitation on doing it that way. Hopefully they'll do the same on 400 forthwith, though I'll be shocked if they do.
Quote from: US 89 on June 19, 2022, 01:13:24 AM
Quote from: ran4sh on June 18, 2022, 10:37:17 AM
I was on 316 in Barrow County recently and I noticed that the interchange with SR 53 (SR 8, US 29 Business) is now open. The exit number is 27, which reflects the overall mileage of 316 rather than the Barrow County mileage (which was used for "exit 5" at the SR 81 interchange). There are a few signs posted along the mainline that are supposed to go along the ramps, such as the directional signs indicating Winder and Watkinsville to the left and right. The BGS destination legend reads "Hog Mtn Road" (I would have preferred control cities) and omits SR 8 and US 29 Business, I didn't take the exit so I'm not sure if those routes are signed from the ramps or not.
As far as I know, those are the first mile-based exit numbers in Georgia that are not on an interstate. I like that. Now if only they could renumber the ones on 400...
SR 10 Loop uses mile-based numbers, but other than that I think you're right
Quote from: ran4sh on June 19, 2022, 12:12:07 PM
Quote from: US 89 on June 19, 2022, 01:13:24 AM
Quote from: ran4sh on June 18, 2022, 10:37:17 AM
I was on 316 in Barrow County recently and I noticed that the interchange with SR 53 (SR 8, US 29 Business) is now open. The exit number is 27, which reflects the overall mileage of 316 rather than the Barrow County mileage (which was used for "exit 5" at the SR 81 interchange). There are a few signs posted along the mainline that are supposed to go along the ramps, such as the directional signs indicating Winder and Watkinsville to the left and right. The BGS destination legend reads "Hog Mtn Road" (I would have preferred control cities) and omits SR 8 and US 29 Business, I didn't take the exit so I'm not sure if those routes are signed from the ramps or not.
As far as I know, those are the first mile-based exit numbers in Georgia that are not on an interstate. I like that. Now if only they could renumber the ones on 400...
SR 10 Loop uses mile-based numbers, but other than that I think you're right
Hm. You're right, but I could have sworn the counterclockwise exit numbers were sequential. I guess I haven't been over there myself in a good while...
They might *seem* sequential for a stretch because there is an exit every mile from mile 6 to mile 15.
Quote from: Tomahawkin on June 19, 2022, 06:46:16 AM
Out of curiosity? Why wasn't 400 named a spur interstate? Im guessing 1980's local opposition? 400 Does more traffic than interstate 20 in Jackson MISS. 400 not being a designated interstate costs the state federal funding to assist in freeway improvements...
I don't remember exactly how it played out, but I-985 was designated after the 55 mph speed limit was repealed for rural Interstate highways on April 2, 1987. Later that same year, it was repealed for rural non-Interstate highways built to Interstate standards. By 1987, GA 400 was being widened to six and eight lanes in Fulton County, so perhaps it was thought that the 14.7-mile rural Forsyth County section of GA 400 wasn't worth the trouble. The point became moot later that year anyway, and there must've been scuttlebutt about it months beforehand. That's my semi-educated guess, anyway.
Quote from: Tomahawkin on June 19, 2022, 06:46:16 AM
Out of curiosity? Why wasn't 400 named a spur interstate? Im guessing 1980's local opposition? 400 Does more traffic than interstate 20 in Jackson MISS. 400 not being a designated interstate costs the state federal funding to assist in freeway improvements...
Georgia requested both GA 400 and GA 316 be added to the interstate system in spring 1984.
On June 20, 1984 FHWA decided to accept Georgia's requests for GA 365 (I-985) and GA 21 (I-516) but declined to accept GA 400 and GA 365 (no numbers floated).
See page 6 at the 1984 I-985 application - https://grmservices.grmims.com/vsearch/portal/public/na4/aashto/default
https://na4.visualvault.com/app/AASHTO/Default/documentviewer?DhID=05420532-06d5-ea11-a98a-ff9beffbfef8&hidemenu=true
Good 411! I always wondered why 316 wasn't made interstate grade to Athens. Athens is a suburb of Atlanta now with people moving to Eastern Gwinnett, Monroe, and Barrow counties because the houses are cheaper there as opposed to living near 285
If SR 400 were submitted for application today, I think there would be better chance it would be accepted this time. For one, 400 has now been extended south to connect to I-85 in Atlanta, plus the cities that it serves north of I-285 are now much more populous and are continuously urban or near-urban.
I agree, and it's a vacation corridor to the North Georgia/N. Carolina Mountains and casino destinations. I will have to ask people If they face traffic to and from those locations. Dahlonega, Ellijay and Hiawassee are growing retirement destinations...
I went to Athens recently and saw that the new interchange with GA 53 on GA 316 was completed, and thought to post photos, as I passed through at a good time, as it looks like very fresh, new concrete, signs, and gantries.
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I did not get the chance to see it in real life, but it looks like the Winder Bypass appears to be done (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.9913849,-83.778228,3a,75y,6.05h,88.84t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sPyADnmdN2rWl54mBgt1wiw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DPyADnmdN2rWl54mBgt1wiw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D90.99516%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192) and open, (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.9728548,-83.7872783,3a,75y,33.59h,92.32t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sYqdhFN-tpkL4FRGPMAb62Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) according to (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0014892,-83.7590219,3a,75y,201.87h,94.08t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1swqA6Z2N7hBGKrvuopxLTSA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DwqA6Z2N7hBGKrvuopxLTSA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D313.7914%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192) GMSV. (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0060464,-83.7554653,3a,75y,164.98h,91.32t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1smrKUQJ89DBACr_vWhhm22w!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DmrKUQJ89DBACr_vWhhm22w%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D255.65395%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192) It looks very good, although I'm hoping it may eventually be four-laned to GA 316 whenever the interchange with Patrick Mill Rd. is complete. It currently drops down to a two-lane road here. (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.96734,-83.7916881,3a,75y,201.59h,94.14t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sOKokKRF0Ql_uJhbFqv1qQw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
As they've been replacing BGS'ses on I-75 in northwest Georgia, most signs kept the same control cities and such but with a few exceptions. For some reason, the new BGS at Exit 333 (GA 52) has dropped Dalton as a control city (second photo shows what it used to be as that sign has not been replaced (yet)). I can't figure out why they would have dropped Dalton as a control city, given that exit is the main one for downtown Dalton, even if the other two exits (336 and 328) also serve important locations on the periphery of the city (especially industry-related).
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Another exception is the BGS for Exit 288 (GA 113), which in the new iteration has dropped "Main St." but kept the control city of Cartersville (essentially the opposite of the previous scenario).
that is funny given both are in the same GDOT district based out of Cartersville.
I would expect the Dalton example to hold up as that part of 75 is in city limits so you are IN Dalton instead of going TO it while that part of 75 may be out of C'ville (for now).
The proposed new MUTCD has some guidance on that, although I don't think it's the real reason GDOT did it.
In the proposed new MUTCD, if there is a "Next X Exits" sign for a given place/city, then that same city does not need to be repeated as a control city on the BGSs (Advance Guide signs and Exit Direction signs) for the exits. (Additionally there's the guidance to avoid mixing city names and street names, but that has been in the MUTCD for a long time)
Elsewhere in the state, who has noticed that the control cities for I-520 have changed?
In the past (when the route was incomplete) Columbia and Atlanta were used together as westbound control cities (eastbound signs would have some local destination). But at some point in the last few years it was changed, now Columbia is used for eastbound and Atlanta for westbound.
I still hate the elimination of the right-turn ramp at the I-95 interchange with US 17 and GA 520 near Jekyll Island:
https://www.google.com/maps/@31.136156,-81.5740761,1914m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en (https://www.google.com/maps/@31.136156,-81.5740761,1914m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en)
In fact, I hate the trend towards eliminating a lot of them, and not just in Georgia.
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on June 27, 2022, 08:43:48 PM
I went to Athens recently and saw that the new interchange with GA 53 on GA 316 was completed, and thought to post photos, as I passed through at a good time, as it looks like very fresh, new concrete, signs, and gantries.
Thanks for that!
Quote from: adventurernumber1I did not get the chance to see it in real life, but it looks like the Winder Bypass appears to be done (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.9913849,-83.778228,3a,75y,6.05h,88.84t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sPyADnmdN2rWl54mBgt1wiw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DPyADnmdN2rWl54mBgt1wiw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D90.99516%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192) and open, (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.9728548,-83.7872783,3a,75y,33.59h,92.32t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sYqdhFN-tpkL4FRGPMAb62Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) according to (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0014892,-83.7590219,3a,75y,201.87h,94.08t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1swqA6Z2N7hBGKrvuopxLTSA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DwqA6Z2N7hBGKrvuopxLTSA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D313.7914%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192) GMSV. (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0060464,-83.7554653,3a,75y,164.98h,91.32t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1smrKUQJ89DBACr_vWhhm22w!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DmrKUQJ89DBACr_vWhhm22w%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D255.65395%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192) It looks very good, although I'm hoping it may eventually be four-laned to GA 316 whenever the interchange with Patrick Mill Rd. is complete. It currently drops down to a two-lane road here. (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.96734,-83.7916881,3a,75y,201.59h,94.14t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sOKokKRF0Ql_uJhbFqv1qQw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Yes, it's open, and it's curvy, to the point where IMO it could use some diamond curve warning signs to emphasize the 45 mph speed limit. I'll be honest: it annoys me that such a road even exists, and it annoys me that the county courthouse is on it, out in the boonies with the county jail instead of in the county seat where it belongs.
Something I stumbled upon on GDOT's website: There's a project in the works in Waycross to eliminate a grade crossing of Ossie Davis Parkway, former US 1-23, now Business 1-23, of the CSX railroad headed toward Atlanta. It involves building a half-mile-long viaduct, which seems rather extravagant to me. I'm guessing that there are lengthy blockages there due to CSX operations as opposed to a road-related problem. The project concept report was completed last March, but I haven't found it. It should be in preliminary design now.
http://www.dot.ga.gov/systems/ProjectDocuments/0013539/0013539-Newsletter-WareCounty-July2021.pdf
https://goo.gl/maps/riS8xdf415nDBXYJA
Quote from: Tom958 on July 02, 2022, 07:05:13 PM
Something I stumbled upon on GDOT's website: There's a project in the works in Waycross to eliminate a grade crossing of Ossie Davis Parkway, former US 1-23, now Business 1-23, of the CSX railroad headed toward Atlanta. It involves building a half-mile-long viaduct, which seems rather extravagant to me. I'm guessing that there are lengthy blockages there due to CSX operations as opposed to a road-related problem. The project concept report was completed last March, but I haven't found it. It should be in preliminary design now.
http://www.dot.ga.gov/systems/ProjectDocuments/0013539/0013539-Newsletter-WareCounty-July2021.pdf
https://goo.gl/maps/riS8xdf415nDBXYJA
Can't believe that GDOT misspelt Ossie Davis' name on the map, particularly given that he grew up in nearby Cogdell. By the way, those of us from the Chessie side of CSX called the town "Waysouth, Georgia".
Quote from: Tom958 on July 02, 2022, 07:05:13 PM
Something I stumbled upon on GDOT's website: There's a project in the works in Waycross to eliminate a grade crossing of Ossie Davis Parkway, former US 1-23, now Business 1-23, of the CSX railroad headed toward Atlanta. It involves building a half-mile-long viaduct, which seems rather extravagant to me. I'm guessing that there are lengthy blockages there due to CSX operations as opposed to a road-related problem. The project concept report was completed last March, but I haven't found it. It should be in preliminary design now.
http://www.dot.ga.gov/systems/ProjectDocuments/0013539/0013539-Newsletter-WareCounty-July2021.pdf
https://goo.gl/maps/riS8xdf415nDBXYJA
I wasn't sure how they were going to handle the Dresden Street intersection, but after looking at the actual plan, I should've known they were going to turn it into a cul-de-sac.
https://www.dot.ga.gov/systems/ProjectDocuments/0013539/PIOH-WareCountyLayout.pdf
"ABC Avenue;" That's for the Atlanta, Birmingham and Coast Railroad, am I correct?
Quote from: D-Dey65 on July 06, 2022, 12:13:50 AM
"ABC Avenue;" That's for the Atlanta, Birmingham and Coast Railroad, am I correct?
Indeed, except that railroad was referred to as the "A B & C" before getting completely absorbed by the Purple People (Atlantic Coast Line).
Just something interesting: In Dillard, GA-246 and NC-106 cross over the state line 5 times due to the topography of the area.
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.994766,-83.3480175,1376m/data=!3m1!1e3 (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.994766,-83.3480175,1376m/data=!3m1!1e3)
In anticipation of the new Rivian Plant in Morgan County, GDOT is planning to widen to a portion of U.S. 278. In addition to the widening project, a frontage road will be construction on the north side of I-20 and a new interchange will be built at Old Mill Road. Construction is expected to begin on the widening and new frontage road in 2023, while work on the new interchange will begin in 2024.
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https://us278andoldmillroad-gdot.hub.arcgis.com/
In addition to the improvements in Morgan County for the Rivian Plant. The state is planning improvements in Bryan County for the new Hyundai Plant.
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Quote- Construction of a $1.2 million roundabout at Wilma Edwards Road, Church of God Road and Highway 280 just down the road is set to begin later this year or early next year.
- A 4-way signal at the Oracal Parkway and Highway 280 intersection in Black Creek is slated to be in place and working at some point next year, 2023. It will cost approximately $30,000. Both it and the Highway 280 roundabout at Wilma Edwards and Church of God roads will be funded by Transportation Local Option Sales Taxes.
- North of I-16, a roundabout at Highway 80 and 280 in Blitchton is slated for 2024 at the earliest. Last year, engineers said traffic studies at that intersection show as many as 300 left-hand turns are made an hour from 80 onto 280, in part by trucks leaving the port of Savannah headed toward I-16.
- The I-16 interchange, meanwhile, is reportedly set for a double roundabout similar to the one at the Belfast Keller Interchange at I-95 in South Bryan.
Though county engineers initially worried the state's purchase of Mega-Site would throw a curveball at Georgia Department of Transportation planners and could delay improvements to the interchange, officials now apparently believe the state's investment in the site will spur GDOT to move the project up to 2024.
https://www.bryancountynews.com/news/road-projects-abound-near-mega-site/
Does Georgia have any plans to widen I-20 from the west state line to Atlanta?
Not that I know of in the next 4 years. It baffles me as to why IH 20 is still 4 lanes total in west GA especially with all the Truck/Vacation traffic that use that route...
Yeah it's pretty much six lanes in Alabama you'd think Georgia would widen their stretch.
Quote from: Tomahawkin on July 23, 2022, 06:05:30 PM
Not that I know of in the next 4 years. It baffles me as to why IH 20 is still 4 lanes total in west GA especially with all the Truck/Vacation traffic that use that route...
As with all of us, it baffles me that they replaced the pavement from US 27 to GA 61 without adding lanes. If they'd added lanes, it probably would've cut the duration by half or even two-thirds due to easier detours. Meanwhile, they eight-lane I-85 for six miles around Newnan and block off two of the lanes. It makes no sense.
Yeah, I know, That I 20 was one of the dumbest road projects I have ever seen that accomplished NOTHING but maintainence. They could have atleast widened the bridge over US 27 if they were going to close half the interstate. Its going to need to be replaced eventually, total waste, especially since i know people who live out there and commute to areas of West Cobb/Douglas Counties...
I don't understand why the state of Georgia can't make a goal to widen all of IH 85 and IH 20 through the state to at least 6 lanes just as they did IH 75 a decade ago. It should be a priority but I know the money just isn't there.
Quote from: Jaxrunner on July 25, 2022, 03:46:33 AM
I don't understand why the state of Georgia can't make a goal to widen all of IH 85 and IH 20 through the state to at least 6 lanes just as they did IH 75 a decade ago. It should be a priority but I know the money just isn't there.
i-95, too, back in the glory days.
It's largely because the state
did make it a priority to build nearly-deserted four-lane highways across the trackless wastes of rural Georgia under the still-unfinished yet still-expanding GRIP program.
I must say, though, that neither 20 nor 85 needs to be widened across the entire state.
Yeah, I much prefer this world to a hypothetical one where all the interstates are six lanes but there are no GRIP corridors. Those four-lane GRIP corridors are really enjoyable to drive and I'm pretty sure the safety impact of widening a 2-lane road to 4 lanes divided is much greater than widening a 4 lane freeway to 6.
Quote from: US 89 on July 25, 2022, 10:19:41 AM
Yeah, I much prefer this world to a hypothetical one where all the interstates are six lanes but there are no GRIP corridors. Those four-lane GRIP corridors are really enjoyable to drive and I'm pretty sure the safety impact of widening a 2-lane road to 4 lanes divided is much greater than widening a 4 lane freeway to 6.
Coming from a part of the country where four-lane divided highways are extremely rare... I always find them very pleasant and enjoyable to drive on in other parts of the country. They're a nice hybrid between "interstate" and "backroads" that are faster and more convenient than two lane roads, but with more small town charm and less of the bore/monotony of cross-country interstates.
Quote from: Jaxrunner on July 25, 2022, 03:46:33 AM
I don't understand why the state of Georgia can't make a goal to widen all of IH 85 and IH 20 through the state to at least 6 lanes just as they did IH 75 a decade ago. It should be a priority but I know the money just isn't there.
Widening Interstates also triggers additional NEPA requirements, which require personnel to go through that paperwork.
Wonder if they're having the same hiring issues other DOTs are having with engineers.
Quote from: Tom958 on July 25, 2022, 05:13:51 AM
I must say, though, that neither 20 nor 85 needs to be widened across the entire state.
The only part of I-85 that doesn't need widening is between the Alabama state line and I-185.
The gap between the end of the 6 lane portion near Grantville to I-185, and the remainder of the highway up to the South Carolina state line needs to be expanded to 6 lanes.
As for I-20, the big need would be west of Atlanta to the Alabama state line. The highway is mostly adequate to the east.
Quote from: Tom958 on July 25, 2022, 05:13:51 AMI must say, though, that neither 20 nor 85 needs to be widened across the entire state.
You're right. The first 19 miles of I-85 in Georgia don't need to be widened. The rest of it does, however, and thankfully they're making progress. North(east) of Atlanta, I-85 has been widened to six lanes all the way up to Braselton, and the segment from Braselton to Jefferson should be finished by the end of this year, after which widening will commence on the segment from Jefferson to Commerce.
Quote from: Gnutella on July 27, 2022, 11:17:27 AM
Quote from: Tom958 on July 25, 2022, 05:13:51 AMI must say, though, that neither 20 nor 85 needs to be widened across the entire state.
You're right. The first 19 miles of I-85 in Georgia don't need to be widened. The rest of it does, however, and thankfully they're making progress. North(east) of Atlanta, I-85 has been widened to six lanes all the way up to Braselton, and the segment from Braselton to Jefferson should be finished by the end of this year, after which widening will commence on the segment from Jefferson to Commerce.
Thanks! The 85 widening north of Atlanta is proceeding at what I'd call a glacial pace, and I don't think it was a great idea not to make any provision for widening north of Hamilton Mill, but traffic counts drop significantly after Jefferson and again after Commerce. Perhaps the leading edge of the work can stay ahead of the congestion.
@Tom, IMO I think the 85 widening was done to relieve congestion from the Snowbirds that are en route to Florida? If Im not mistaking, people will still take 85 as opposed to 95 to get to the western beaches of Florida. And the widening is necessary with all the truck traffic. There are a lot of warehouses being built on 85 that are 60 miles Northeast from Atlanta. The Atlanta-Greenville-Charlotte corridor will all be connected in 20 years, IMO
Quote from: Gnutella on July 27, 2022, 11:17:27 AM
Quote from: Tom958 on July 25, 2022, 05:13:51 AMI must say, though, that neither 20 nor 85 needs to be widened across the entire state.
You're right. The first 19 miles of I-85 in Georgia don't need to be widened. The rest of it does, however, and thankfully they're making progress. North(east) of Atlanta, I-85 has been widened to six lanes all the way up to Braselton, and the segment from Braselton to Jefferson should be finished by the end of this year, after which widening will commence on the segment from Jefferson to Commerce.
Do you have any links to confirm that I-85 will be widened beyond the sections under construction now?
That would be very good to hear but I've never seen any mention of it in the Statewide Mobility Initiative.
I-85 is very heavily traveled from Atlanta through NC. It is one of the nation's most important industrial corridors, and once SC's 30 mile long widening to the NC line is complete, the Northeast Georgia to Anderson, SC section will be the only 4 lane section left except for a short 8 miles or so at the NC/SC border. If that bottlenecks, NC will probably widening it to 8 lanes to match the rest of I-85 through NC.
On Sunday evenings the traffic returning to the Atlanta metro is so heavy on I-85 that sometimes the backup of slow moving cars is 20-30 miles long. It's a good idea to widen I-85 to the SC line.
Quote from: architect77 on July 29, 2022, 06:27:37 PM
Quote from: Gnutella on July 27, 2022, 11:17:27 AM
Quote from: Tom958 on July 25, 2022, 05:13:51 AMI must say, though, that neither 20 nor 85 needs to be widened across the entire state.
You're right. The first 19 miles of I-85 in Georgia don't need to be widened. The rest of it does, however, and thankfully they're making progress. North(east) of Atlanta, I-85 has been widened to six lanes all the way up to Braselton, and the segment from Braselton to Jefferson should be finished by the end of this year, after which widening will commence on the segment from Jefferson to Commerce.
Do you have any links to confirm that I-85 will be widened beyond the sections under construction now?
That would be very good to hear but I've never seen any mention of it in the Statewide Mobility Initiative.
I-85 is very heavily traveled from Atlanta through NC. It is one of the nation's most important industrial corridors, and once SC's 30 mile long widening to the NC line is complete, the Northeast Georgia to Anderson, SC section will be the only 4 lane section left except for a short 8 miles or so at the NC/SC border. If that bottlenecks, NC will probably widening it to 8 lanes to match the rest of I-85 through NC.
On Sunday evenings the traffic returning to the Atlanta metro is so heavy on I-85 that sometimes the backup of slow moving cars is 20-30 miles long. It's a good idea to widen I-85 to the SC line.
On I-85 northbound in Braselton, the sign when you enter the construction zone reads, "ROAD WORK NEXT 22 MILES." There's also
this page on the GDOT website (https://i-85-widening-015245-gdot.hub.arcgis.com/). Reconstruction and widening from Jefferson to Commerce begins next month. Reconstruction from Braselton to Jefferson should be finished by the end of this year.
Where is Duane Allman Blvd. in Macon? Google maps show it's the intersection of College and Washington, but no street blades to confirm.
I know Berry Oakley Bridge on US 41 Business is signed over I-75 nearby, but not the legendary slide guitar player with an entire street named in honor of him.
Quote from: roadman65 on August 07, 2022, 11:16:32 AM
Where is Duane Allman Blvd. in Macon? Google maps show it's the intersection of College and Washington, but no street blades to confirm.
I know Berry Oakley Bridge on US 41 Business is signed over I-75 nearby, but not the legendary slide guitar player with an entire street named in honor of him.
https://www.macon.com/news/local/article30145248.html (https://www.macon.com/news/local/article30145248.html)
According to this article, Vineville Ave. from Pio Nono Ave. to New Street will be designated Duane Allman Blvd. Strangely, I cannot find any street blades either, despite the article saying that "signs will designate it as a historic street."
GDOT is now preparing for the reconstruction and widening of I-85 from Jefferson to Commerce. They put out construction barrels along the entire segment last week, and last night there were southbound lane closures, though I'm not sure what for because I exited at U.S. 441. The good news about this segment is that there doesn't appear to be much preparatory work to do. There are only five overpasses (including interchanges), one underpass, one short pair of river bridges, and only one obvious culvert that I can see, so this project shouldn't take as long as the one from Braselton to Jefferson that's almost finished.
The segment from Braselton to GA 332 is substantially finished now, with some surfacing and striping being all that's left to do. However, the segment from GA 332 to the U.S. 129 interchange is still a few more months away. They've just now begun grading for the third lane in each direction, which I'm guessing will be the last thing they do since they need the river and railroad bridges just south(west) of the interchange to be completed first. It wouldn't surprise me if they open all six lanes to GA 332 within the next few weeks, and then the remainder to the U.S. 129 interchange by the end of the year.
This is exciting to see lots of progress on the widening of I-85 in Georgia. This is indeed badly needed, and hopefully progress will continue at a good pace (eventually reaching the South Carolina line at some point). The last time I was on I-85 in this part of the state (going up to Commerce) in early 2019 the widening had just been finished west of Braselton IIRC. It's nice to see the progress that has been made since then, and hopefully it won't be too long until I'm on that stretch of I-85 again. :thumbsup:
To my disgust, GDOT is building a roundabout at the US 41-US 129- Pio Nono-Broadway intersection south of Macon (https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7764422,-83.6569763,16.04z). The problem with building a roundabout here is obvious: virtually no one will traverse the roundabout in the southbound US 41-Pio Nono to northbound Broadway direction; the few people who want go that way will bypass the roundabout via Guy Paine Road. Therefore, there'll be nothing to moderate heavy traffic flows into the roundabout from the south. Consequently, southbound Broadway traffic will have little opportunity to enter the roundabout during rush hours and will back up nastily.
Also, a good proportion of the few people who attempt that southbound-to-northbound movement will likely be sideswiped by northbound drivers who are used to breezing through the yield sign without stopping. Or, more likely, they'll stop within the circle to wait for a break while resolving to take Guy Paine Road the next time.
The result will be something like this (https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7576686,-83.6614974,716m/data=!3m1!1e3), but with no grade separation and traffic controlled by a single yield sign, something that no competent agency would ever propose for such a high-traffic location.
I predict that within not very long, the roundabout will be signalized and the southbound-to-northbound arc of the circle blocked off or removed.
I'm kind of lazy to look it up on Historic Aerials right now, but was there ever a southbound rest area on I-475?
Quote from: D-Dey65 on August 31, 2022, 08:00:18 PM
I'm kind of lazy to look it up on Historic Aerials right now, but was there ever a southbound rest area on I-475?
I'm not gonna look it up, either, but common sense says no because of the Macon welcome center-rest area on southbound 75 right before 475.
Quote from: Tom958 on September 01, 2022, 05:22:54 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on August 31, 2022, 08:00:18 PM
I'm kind of lazy to look it up on Historic Aerials right now, but was there ever a southbound rest area on I-475?
I'm not gonna look it up, either, but common sense says no because of the Macon welcome center-rest area on southbound 75 right before 475.
Yes I have always considered the NB I-475 rest area to be paired up with the SB I-75 rest area. Though they should probably have a NB I-75 rest area just south of the end of 475. TN has a similar situation with rest areas around the I-40/I-81 interchange.
Quote from: Tom958 on September 01, 2022, 05:22:54 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on August 31, 2022, 08:00:18 PM
I'm kind of lazy to look it up on Historic Aerials right now, but was there ever a southbound rest area on I-475?
I'm not gonna look it up, either, but common sense says no because of the Macon welcome center-rest area on southbound 75 right before 475.
Oh yes, I see that now.
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.9725924,-83.8279245,1876m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en (https://www.google.com/maps/@32.9725924,-83.8279245,1876m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en)
Quote from: Tom958 on September 01, 2022, 05:22:54 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on August 31, 2022, 08:00:18 PM
I'm kind of lazy to look it up on Historic Aerials right now, but was there ever a southbound rest area on I-475?
I'm not gonna look it up, either, but common sense says no because of the Macon welcome center-rest area on southbound 75 right before 475.
That don't mean a thing. Look at I-24 in TN where on I-75 you have a rest area. Then head west on I-24 and get another after re-entering the state from where it dips down to Georgia for a couple miles.
Quote from: roadman65 on September 07, 2022, 10:21:23 PM
Quote from: Tom958 on September 01, 2022, 05:22:54 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on August 31, 2022, 08:00:18 PM
I'm kind of lazy to look it up on Historic Aerials right now, but was there ever a southbound rest area on I-475?
I'm not gonna look it up, either, but common sense says no because of the Macon welcome center-rest area on southbound 75 right before 475.
That don’t mean a thing. Look at I-24 in TN where on I-75 you have a rest area. Then head west on I-24 and get another after re-entering the state from where it dips down to Georgia for a couple miles.
Those are state welcome centers and not your average rest area. Eastern states like to put those along interstates as close to the state line as they can.
Have they finished up the rebuild of the 16/75 interchange in Downtown Macon? I haven't been in that area in a few years, nor have I heard much about this project.
Quote from: wriddle082 on September 09, 2022, 07:15:40 PM
Have they finished up the rebuild of the 16/75 interchange in Downtown Macon? I haven't been in that area in a few years, nor have I heard much about this project.
Phase 6 or the project is scheduled to go to bid next year. Overall work is scheduled to run until 2030.
As of July they had I-75 southbound using the future c/d roadway for the US 41BU exit:
(https://www.interstate-guide.com/wp-content/uploads/routes/016/i-075-s-at-i-016-4.jpg)
Same with part of I-75 northbound when we rode through there in May:
(https://www.interstate-guide.com/wp-content/uploads/routes/016/i-075-n-at-i-016-5.jpg)
A lot of work to still be done on I-16. Shot this on July 25:
(https://www.interstate-guide.com/wp-content/uploads/routes/016/i-016-w-at-i-075-2.jpg)
Whoa, GA 540 cosigned with i-75? Will wonders never cease? :clap: I guess they didn't bother northbound.
Quote from: Alex on September 10, 2022, 07:00:42 PM
(https://www.interstate-guide.com/wp-content/uploads/routes/016/i-016-w-at-i-075-2.jpg)
Quote from: Tom958 on September 11, 2022, 02:19:13 PM
Whoa, GA 540 cosigned with i-75? Will wonders never cease? :clap: I guess they didn't bother northbound.
Quote from: Alex on September 10, 2022, 07:00:42 PM
(https://www.interstate-guide.com/wp-content/uploads/routes/016/i-016-w-at-i-075-2.jpg)
The photo is on I-16 WB
and GA 540 WB correct? Doesn't GA 540 have a concurrency with I-16 from the I-75 interchange to Exit 2 there in Macon? That is probably why GA 540 is not posted with I-75 NB.
This reminds me of the new BGS's erected in Binghamton, NY along I-81 for the north split with I-86 in that I-86 is posted but not officially routed on that stretch of highway. In this case, GA 540 is officially routed along I-75 from Macon to Exit 149 in Byron. Georgia DOT are erecting new, updated signs that reflect that GA 540 is routed along I-75 now--just like NYSDOT is anticipating I-86 routed with NY 17. Hopefully, Georgia DOT will post updated signage reflecting GA 540's routing along I-75 soon.
Also, the BGS should have a WEST to the right of GA 540.
Quote from: Amroad17The photo is on I-16 WB and GA 540 WB correct? Doesn't GA 540 have a concurrency with I-16 from the I-75 interchange to Exit 2 there in Macon? That is probably why GA 540 is not posted with I-75 NB.
Give me a little bit of credit. I didn't mean on this particular overhead. I meant at
any appropriate location along northbound 75, especially where GA 540 exits from 75 (http://ga-540
Quote from: Tom958 on September 12, 2022, 11:02:10 AM
Quote from: Amroad17The photo is on I-16 WB and GA 540 WB correct? Doesn't GA 540 have a concurrency with I-16 from the I-75 interchange to Exit 2 there in Macon? That is probably why GA 540 is not posted with I-75 NB.
Give me a little bit of credit. I didn't mean on this particular overhead. I meant at any appropriate location along northbound 75, especially where GA 540 exits from 75 (http://ga-540
While I was typing my response last evening, the thought did pass through my mind that you may have been talking about adding GA 540 signs to I-75 NB from Bryan up to Macon--which is what you meant. My apologies for not giving you enough credit.
I agree with your assessment of having GA 540 signed along I-75--especially at the Byron interchange and at the I-475/I-75 interchange southwest of Macon. The BGS overhead on I-16 discussed above looks like it was recently put up and could be the first of many signs displaying GA 540 along I-75.
I mean, 540 is the Fall Line "Freeway", you think they'd sign it along interstates :-D
Quote from: amroad17 on September 11, 2022, 11:26:17 PM
Also, the BGS should have a WEST to the right of GA 540.
Georgia doesn't have a sign height restriction, usually when 2 route markers both have directional banners they are placed above the marker instead of to the right.
Quote from: ran4sh on September 12, 2022, 08:39:17 PM
Quote from: amroad17 on September 11, 2022, 11:26:17 PM
Also, the BGS should have a WEST to the right of GA 540.
Georgia doesn't have a sign height restriction, usually when 2 route markers both have directional banners they are placed above the marker instead of to the right.
The comment was that WEST is required because GA 540 doesn't go south from here as the sign implies. The placement doesn't matter that much.
Quote from: ran4sh on September 12, 2022, 08:39:17 PM
Quote from: amroad17 on September 11, 2022, 11:26:17 PM
Also, the BGS should have a WEST to the right of GA 540.
Georgia doesn't have a sign height restriction, usually when 2 route markers both have directional banners they are placed above the marker instead of to the right.
Either way, there should be a WEST with the GA 540 shield on this BGS.
Does anyone know why the GA 372 expressway at its north end has a half diamond interchange at where it transitions from freeway to local two lane road? Obviously it was intended to be a freeway further south, but with I-575 nearby it would seem redundant to have a second bypass of Ball Ground, so being it runs more east, I will say that there was or still is plans for an E-W freeway from Nelson to Coal Mountain.
I heard on Freeway Jim that GA 400 was to continue west of Coal Mountain by turning 90 degrees. That would make sense, but the proposal of changing orientation of GA 400 would have no merit. Does anyone know that nature of that transition on GA 372?
Quote from: US 89 on September 12, 2022, 08:28:57 PM
I mean, 540 is the Fall Line "Freeway", you think they'd sign it along interstates :-D
To be fair, though, it's just a placeholder for the eventual route of I-14. But yeah, the "Freeway" part is misleading, since it is not a freeway in the true sense. Can't even call it a substandard one, because it has no interchanges, other than the parts it shares with I-16 and I-75.
Quote from: roadman65 on September 14, 2022, 12:21:19 PM
Does anyone know why the GA 372 expressway at its north end has a half diamond interchange at where it transitions from freeway to local two lane road? Obviously it was intended to be a freeway further south, but with I-575 nearby it would seem redundant to have a second bypass of Ball Ground, so being it runs more east, I will say that there was or still is plans for an E-W freeway from Nelson to Coal Mountain.
I heard on Freeway Jim that GA 400 was to continue west of Coal Mountain by turning 90 degrees. That would make sense, but the proposal of changing orientation of GA 400 would have no merit. Does anyone know that nature of that transition on GA 372?
I don't know about GA 400 or 372 specifically, but I do know there was supposed to be a highway built between Ball Ground and the GA 400/141 interchange that would have been part of ADHS Corridor A. This seems unlikely to ever be built, so corridor A will probably always be discontinuous - one segment on GA 400/US 19 from I-285 north to GA 141, and then another along that northernmost bit of 372 and then on up 515 into North Carolina. Most of the remainder of 400 is Corridor A-1.
https://goo.gl/maps/5URvK3VjWEwRufXh6
Found this in GSV to be of interest. The driveway here, if you look close enough, can make out where the original US 17 ALT veered away from Boundary Street to default into the original Talmadge Bridge.
Historic Aerials show how the road used to swerve right before Oglethorpe into the former bridge. Oglethorpe ended at the current Boundary intersection ( as now west of Boundary is the ramps to the current Eugene Talmadge Bridge) and right at the swerve was the last eatery in Georgia before the bridge carried US 17 ALT into SC. The welcome Center to the right was the defunct Howard Johnson that died in the 1980's, but was right at the bridge entrance during its day.
I split off the bulk of the posts related to Atlanta area roads and road topics into a new "Atlanta" thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=32172.0).
The Atlanta posts, especially those related to the I-285/SR 400 construction project, drown out the general posts covering Georgia roads across the state.
Please shift to making general Atlanta based posts there (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=32172.0), and continue making general Georgia posts here.
Quote from: Alex on September 19, 2022, 02:49:24 PM
I split off the bulk of the posts related to Atlanta area roads and road topics into a new "Atlanta" thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=32172.0).
The Atlanta posts, especially those related to the I-285/SR 400 construction project, drown out the general posts covering Georgia roads across the state.
Please shift to making general Atlanta based posts there (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=32172.0), and continue making general Georgia posts here.
Thanks!
US 17 used to have a nice smooth curve near the intersection(s) of US 82 and GA 303;
https://historicaerials.com/?layer=map&zoom=15&lat=31.136902&lon=-81.574217 (https://historicaerials.com/?layer=map&zoom=15&lat=31.136902&lon=-81.574217)
It kind of sucks that they had to get rid of it.
Also there doesn't seem to be any "End US 82" signs at US 17 and I-95.
Was travelling US411 North through Cartersville on the part that is also US41 South yesterday. How are we supposed to deduce from these signs that US411 actually takes this right exit that is coming up and loops down to the street below. We slogged along until the US41 interchange with Red Top Mountain Rd before noticing a US41 sign with none of the others and realized we had missed the turn someplace. :angry:
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.2012638,-84.8010206,3a,75y,91.99h,107.13t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shtP6OEJSqcwS0xzBx372ew!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
GDOT signage is often inconsistent, erroneous, and insufficient, where it exists. In better states, such information would be displayed with an overhead sign in advance of the exit. Here, you're lucky if you get a small sign at the gore point.
In your case, this interchange was recently rebuilt, with the loop ramp added a couple years ago. Before then, US 411 exited on that ramp just prior to that sign, thus the signs you see plonked down to discourage people from taking that exit. The fact that no signage exists for the new, actual exit is just GDOT incompetence at usual.
Quote from: bdmoss88 on October 01, 2022, 07:41:10 AM
Was travelling US411 North through Cartersville on the part that is also US41 South yesterday. How are we supposed to deduce from these signs that US411 actually takes this right exit that is coming up and loops down to the street below. We slogged along until the US41 interchange with Red Top Mountain Rd before noticing a US41 sign with none of the others and realized we had missed the turn someplace. :angry:
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.2012638,-84.8010206,3a,75y,91.99h,107.13t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shtP6OEJSqcwS0xzBx372ew!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Quote from: Ga293 on October 02, 2022, 01:21:44 PM
GDOT signage is often inconsistent, erroneous, and insufficient, where it exists. In better states, such information would be displayed with an overhead sign in advance of the exit. Here, you're lucky if you get a small sign at the gore point.
In your case, this interchange was recently rebuilt, with the loop ramp added a couple years ago. Before then, US 411 exited on that ramp just prior to that sign, thus the signs you see plonked down to discourage people from taking that exit. The fact that no signage exists for the new, actual exit is just GDOT incompetence at usual.
That signage is indeed poorly executed, and I'm surprised there's not at least a BGS of some kind. The other US 41/US 411 interchange a few miles west of this at least has this. (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.2193833,-84.8446386,3a,46.3y,297.21h,86.34t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sIJzDrDMrkverGICE5FbJdQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) Even if US 411 is eventually going to be re-routed onto that planned new bypass a little north and west of here, they could at least sign adequately while US 411 is still on this alignment (although that should be done regardless).
As a side note, the US 41 bridges (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.2008521,-84.7996701,3a,71.3y,106.74h,88.86t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCscHyGi-Wpb99f38B6DKeA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) across the interchange before the reconstruction were among the last surviving multilane road or highway bridges in this region (northwest Georgia) with that older style of bridge railings that seemed to be popular circa the 1950s era, before the bridges were replaced. Examples of still-surviving multilane road bridges with that style of railing in the region include three bridges (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.2485189,-85.1619979,3a,75y,11.85h,88.55t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sKeCBeW_6ANxxUa0s-gKASA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DKeCBeW_6ANxxUa0s-gKASA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D74.89141%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192) on US 27 (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.2552071,-85.1643376,3a,75y,166.88h,90.19t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4Qx7iPOHGOVALmUh-I0lJg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) near downtown Rome. (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.2606764,-85.1703355,3a,75y,258.22h,91.44t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sCGjzv7c0Yl-Z36bUd2fvMA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DCGjzv7c0Yl-Z36bUd2fvMA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D254.08936%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192) I mention multi-lane roads or highways, because there's a lot less of them with those bridges left compared to smaller or less-traveled roads.
The Bridge in Rome GA on US 27 is planned to be replaced soon. It is going to make traffic even worse in Rome while the contruction is ongoing. It is a huge the southeastern portion of the Rome Bypass got delayed. US 27 and SR 20 have too much traffic and the roads are narrow for the traffic that goes through there now.
Quote from: bdmoss88 on October 01, 2022, 07:41:10 AM
Was travelling US411 North through Cartersville on the part that is also US41 South yesterday. How are we supposed to deduce from these signs that US411 actually takes this right exit that is coming up and loops down to the street below. We slogged along until the US41 interchange with Red Top Mountain Rd before noticing a US41 sign with none of the others and realized we had missed the turn someplace. :angry:
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.2012638,-84.8010206,3a,75y,91.99h,107.13t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shtP6OEJSqcwS0xzBx372ew!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Generally speaking, GDOT does a piss-poor job of signing junctions and direction changes on secondary roads.
Quote from: Jaxrunner on October 03, 2022, 08:34:34 PM
The Bridge in Rome GA on US 27 is planned to be replaced soon. It is going to make traffic even worse in Rome while the construction is ongoing. It is huge the southeastern portion of the Rome Bypass got delayed. US 27 and SR 20 have too much traffic and the roads are narrow for the traffic that goes through there now.
If the freeway portion of US 411 had been extended another two miles to the eastern bypass and a proper free-flowing interchange built there, there'd be no need for the southeastern portion of the bypass. I'd still rather see that stretch upgraded than a new terrain highway through that area.
Quote from: bdmoss88 on October 01, 2022, 07:41:10 AM
Was travelling US411 North through Cartersville on the part that is also US41 South yesterday. How are we supposed to deduce from these signs that US411 actually takes this right exit that is coming up and loops down to the street below. We slogged along until the US41 interchange with Red Top Mountain Rd before noticing a US41 sign with none of the others and realized we had missed the turn someplace. :angry:
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.2012638,-84.8010206,3a,75y,91.99h,107.13t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shtP6OEJSqcwS0xzBx372ew!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
This really is ridiculous. I'm contacting GDOT about it. In fairness, though, if you Google Rome to Canton, the route goes through the Walmart-Lowe's parking lot (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Rome,+GA/Canton,+GA/@34.2028576,-84.7966469,15.69z/data=!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x888aa4c0629e40fb:0x2850c5f9bcf31d2b!2m2!1d-85.1646726!2d34.257038!1m5!1m1!1s0x88f508baa865578b:0x64c2cac210ae9806!2m2!1d-84.4907621!2d34.2367621!3e0), nor along that rather expensive loop ramp. :clap:
Quote from: Tom958 on October 07, 2022, 05:30:11 AM
Quote from: bdmoss88 on October 01, 2022, 07:41:10 AM
Was travelling US411 North through Cartersville on the part that is also US41 South yesterday. How are we supposed to deduce from these signs that US411 actually takes this right exit that is coming up and loops down to the street below. We slogged along until the US41 interchange with Red Top Mountain Rd before noticing a US41 sign with none of the others and realized we had missed the turn someplace. :angry:
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.2012638,-84.8010206,3a,75y,91.99h,107.13t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shtP6OEJSqcwS0xzBx372ew!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
This really is ridiculous. I'm contacting GDOT about it. In fairness, though, if you Google Rome to Canton, the route goes through the Walmart-Lowe's parking lot (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Rome,+GA/Canton,+GA/@34.2028576,-84.7966469,15.69z/data=!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x888aa4c0629e40fb:0x2850c5f9bcf31d2b!2m2!1d-85.1646726!2d34.257038!1m5!1m1!1s0x88f508baa865578b:0x64c2cac210ae9806!2m2!1d-84.4907621!2d34.2367621!3e0), nor along that rather expensive loop ramp. :clap:
There were several mistakes on this trip of my own doing. We were in Tuscaloosa and heading to Maryville, TN. Google maps was showing Chattanooga as a parking lot so we decided to ditch the Interstate altogether and take 411 from Gadsden to Maryville. If I had actually thought about what I was doing I would've taken GA53 from Rome to Fairmount to catch 411 again there.
Noticed just now that google maps doesn't show GA53 on the Calhoun southern bypass yet.
To my delight, a helpful and knowledgeable fellow with GDOT District 1 contacted me yesterday re the report I'd made. He said that the immediate problem would be corrected promptly and that they were coming up with a scheme for better advance signage there as well. He even promised to help me with two other items on my agenda. :clap:
Quote from: Tom958 on October 07, 2022, 05:30:11 AM
Quote from: bdmoss88 on October 01, 2022, 07:41:10 AM
Was travelling US411 North through Cartersville on the part that is also US41 South yesterday. How are we supposed to deduce from these signs that US411 actually takes this right exit that is coming up and loops down to the street below. We slogged along until the US41 interchange with Red Top Mountain Rd before noticing a US41 sign with none of the others and realized we had missed the turn someplace. :angry:
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.2012638,-84.8010206,3a,75y,91.99h,107.13t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shtP6OEJSqcwS0xzBx372ew!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
This really is ridiculous. I'm contacting GDOT about it. In fairness, though, if you Google Rome to Canton, the route goes through the Walmart-Lowe's parking lot (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Rome,+GA/Canton,+GA/@34.2028576,-84.7966469,15.69z/data=!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x888aa4c0629e40fb:0x2850c5f9bcf31d2b!2m2!1d-85.1646726!2d34.257038!1m5!1m1!1s0x88f508baa865578b:0x64c2cac210ae9806!2m2!1d-84.4907621!2d34.2367621!3e0), nor along that rather expensive loop ramp. :clap:
Do you ever think that Rome could have a Freeway through there ALA IH 565 in Birmingham. That was a well planned interstate in Huntsville IMO. And I'm in the opinion that Rome is a suburb of Atlanta. I know people who work in Atlanta who drive from The Cartersville/Rome area because the houses are cheaper...
Maybe some spot upgrades on US 411, or possibly a better connection to I-75 in Cartersville (don't hold your breath on that though). But I don't see a full freeway from 75 to Rome ever happening. Their focus seems more on four-laning the remaining GRIP corridors at the moment, which seems like a much better use of the $ they have.
Quote from: Tomahawkin on October 12, 2022, 05:38:15 PM
Do you ever think that Rome could have a Freeway through there ALA IH 565 in Birmingham. That was a well planned interstate in Huntsville IMO. And I'm in the opinion that Rome is a suburb of Atlanta. I know people who work in Atlanta who drive from The Cartersville/Rome area because the houses are cheaper...
There's this. It's far from a freeway, though. https://www.rometocartersville.com/about-the-project.html
The mountain ridges along the US 11-I-59 axis in Alabama present a formidable barrier to a direct good-quality highway between Atlanta and Huntsville via anywhere near Rome. It'd require at least one major tunnel and/or cuts and fills on a scale unimaginable outside of remotest Appalachia.
Not exactly news, but the 6.6-mile closing link of four-lane US 129 between Talmo and Gainesville was opened a few months ago.
For the love of God, can GDOT start plans to widen IH 75 to 8 lanes from Kennesaw up to Chattanooga? My goodness it was irritating to drive through there on a Sunday night because of all the Truck Traffic. The Chattanooga area has moved up to places I avoid to drive through because of the Traffic!
Quote from: Tomahawkin on October 16, 2022, 09:00:58 PM
For the love of God, can GDOT start plans to widen IH 75 to 8 lanes from Kennesaw up to Chattanooga? My goodness it was irritating to drive through there on a Sunday night because of all the Truck Traffic. The Chattanooga area has moved up to places I avoid to drive through because of the Traffic!
IIRC, I have seen it is in GDOT's long-term plans (maybe the next 10-30 years) to widen that section of I-75 to eight lanes. Hopefully it'll be more like 10 years than 30 years (or even sooner), because the area only continues to grow (and ditto for long-distance traffic on the road), and the traffic can be cumbersome at times.
I hope this comes to fruition sooner rather than later. Especially with Amazon expanding, and the port of Savannah becoming one of the largest on the East coast...
Quote from: Tomahawkin on October 17, 2022, 06:11:35 PM
I hope this comes to fruition sooner rather than later. Especially with Amazon expanding, and the port of Savannah becoming one of the largest on the East coast...
I wouldn't count on it. South of Atlanta, all they want to do is that goofball one-way truck roadway.
Maybe if and when the pavement requires reconstruction, but on I-20 west of Atlanta, they didn't add lanes even then.
What a Shocker! Both interstate 20 and 75 are in the top 5 as far as most dangerous interstates to drive in the Country. Not surprised at IH 20 Being on there considering all the Freeway shootings that happen on 20 in the Atlanta area. Add to that there is little/no overhead lighting on the interstate outside both sides of 285 throughout the state...
Quote from: Tomahawkin on November 14, 2022, 10:08:12 AM
Not surprised at IH 20 Being on there considering all the Freeway shootings that happen on 20 in the Atlanta area.
Interstate 20 apparently has a history with shootings. Does anyone recall the I-20 Sniper incidents from February 1987?
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-20-ga-sniper-1987.png)
I saw this while dubbing some VHS tapes for my friend Matt earlier this year. This screen shot was from Channel 2 Action News where a high school kid got caught shooting at cars, and they determined that he was not the "I-20 Sniper".
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on October 17, 2022, 12:09:45 AM
Quote from: Tomahawkin on October 16, 2022, 09:00:58 PM
For the love of God, can GDOT start plans to widen IH 75 to 8 lanes from Kennesaw up to Chattanooga? My goodness it was irritating to drive through there on a Sunday night because of all the Truck Traffic. The Chattanooga area has moved up to places I avoid to drive through because of the Traffic!
IIRC, I have seen it is in GDOT's long-term plans (maybe the next 10-30 years) to widen that section of I-75 to eight lanes. Hopefully it'll be more like 10 years than 30 years (or even sooner), because the area only continues to grow (and ditto for long-distance traffic on the road), and the traffic can be cumbersome at times.
Having experienced Atlanta-area traffic last month, I agree GA needs to expand all of its interstates that flow to and through the city and beyond.
Traveling on I-75 North at Exit 16 yesterday I noticed these overheads with a ghost image of a GA shield. I take it they were for GA-38 at one time? Street View only goes back to 2008 but it was gone by then too.
https://imgur.com/a/cX7pVz9
That aside, these overheads have held up remarkably well.
Quote from: Voyager75 on December 27, 2022, 10:16:58 PM
Traveling on I-75 North at Exit 16 yesterday I noticed these overheads with a ghost image of a GA shield. I take it they were for GA-38 at one time? Street View only goes back to 2008 but it was gone by then too.
https://imgur.com/a/cX7pVz9
That aside, these overheads have held up remarkably well.
A removed state highway shield isn't what's so remakrable about this photo. It's the cantilevered support that GDOT completely stopped erecting 20 years ago after the Jimmy Carter overhead fell and killed someone. These cantilevered supports should be re-embraced because they are cheaper, obstruct less view of the sky and surrounding landscape, and are downright elegant in their simple engineering physicality.
The only downside is that the bolts connecting the base to the ground foundation must be inspected every 5-10 years to ensure safety.
I hate seeing a rural exit on an interstate in Georgia with a small overhead sign that's supported on both sides. It's just irks me to no end.
Quote from: Voyager75 on December 27, 2022, 10:16:58 PM
Traveling on I-75 North at Exit 16 yesterday I noticed these overheads with a ghost image of a GA shield. I take it they were for GA-38 at one time? Street View only goes back to 2008 but it was gone by then too.
https://imgur.com/a/cX7pVz9
That was for SR 94, which was truncated to the east after 2004.
(https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/i-075-ga-archive-north/i-075_nb_exit_016_22.jpg)
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Does anybody even use the railroad line shown here?
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If not, why leave the crossing signals up?
Quote from: D-Dey65 on January 09, 2023, 04:08:57 PM
Does anybody even use the railroad line shown here?
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If not, why leave the crossing signals up?
No rails at this location. Not sure what railroad that was, but it ran roughly parallel to the Chattanooga & Chickamauga Railway (which is still operating). Your railroad here has been abandoned, but there are sections of track still in place at various places and even some crossing panels still remain in a few roads. All of the rails are gone at the various crossings where the line crossed GA-193 at grade. For the record, most railroads will indicate that the State owns the railroad crossing and all warning devices, so it is the responsibility of the State to pay the Railroad for the removal of said appurtenances when the railroad is abandoned. That's not going to happen, folks. The State will pay for the removal of rails through the former crossings in order to simplify road maintenance.
I'm surprised any railroad company, property owner or the state bothers to leave any rails in place on a stretch of decommissioned rail line. The steel in old rails can be recycled; it does have a dollar value to it. Rails are harder to dig out of a paved railroad crossing, but I see that done sometimes. If they deem it to be not worth the trouble they might pave new layers of asphalt over it.
We have a few decommissioned rail lines around here. Some leave little evidence they previously existed other than a raised berm and maybe rows of trees and bushes growing up alongside it. The rails get ripped out along with the metal fasteners and spikes. And then they even plow up the wooden sleepers too. One line here going South out of Lawton toward Walters is like that.
The lighted railroad crossing signals have substantial value, especially the ones with overhead gantries. Any along decommissioned track usually disappear in short order, either to be re-used elsewhere (or for spare parts) or be scrapped/recycled. ODOT and county road crews are usually good at getting rid of crossbucks on wood posts too.
Up here in NY, CSX was hoping to sell a line heading north out of Syracuse to another railway. They were letting crossings and the like fall into disrepair in anticipation of whatevee the deal was going to be. Deal fell through and CSX is now scrambing with the maintenance backlog.
The way private rail companies manage their aasets -- whether active or decommissioned -- is intriguing, but it's all about following the money and reading the tea leaves about demand in the future.
Quote from: Bobby5280 on January 10, 2023, 12:03:34 PM
I'm surprised any railroad company, property owner or the state bothers to leave any rails in place on a stretch of decommissioned rail line. The steel in old rails can be recycled; it does have a dollar value to it. Rails are harder to dig out of a paved railroad crossing, but I see that done sometimes. If they deem it to be not worth the trouble they might pave new layers of asphalt over it.
Two issues here: (1) The last railroad entity might not have any money left to bother picking out salvageable assets; or (2) some or all of the railroad right-of-way is on property where the ownership reverts back to the "original" adjacent property owners when the rail is removed.
There have been numerous cases of where only one rail was salvaged and the other left intact in order to maintain a legal property rights for the railroad corridor. Many states (perhaps all of them now) have special legislation to "railbank" certain properties in order to keep them from falling into the hands of the "original" owners.
Quote from: D-Dey65 on January 09, 2023, 04:08:57 PM
Does anybody even use the railroad line shown here?
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ce/GA136eRoad-GA193nsSign_%2832784219931%29.jpg/640px-GA136eRoad-GA193nsSign_%2832784219931%29.jpg)
If not, why leave the crossing signals up?
Started looking along this old line and here's another south of the above pic along GA-193. One had a rare light on top of the pole which was for the hill and curve I guess.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/fHMnCobiiXnrftui8?g_st=ic
Then just as I was about to move along...crap! It's like a peeping tom.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/Uzby5DhGXX86Wq4Z6?g_st=ic
Again, this one is sitting well off the road for the curve. I'm super shocked these haven't been dismantled by hardcore railroad enthusiasts in the middle of the night. Especially the one sitting in the middle of shrubbery. I know they don't "just come down" but piece by piece it could be done.
Quote from: Alex on December 29, 2022, 12:44:26 PM
Quote from: Voyager75 on December 27, 2022, 10:16:58 PM
Traveling on I-75 North at Exit 16 yesterday I noticed these overheads with a ghost image of a GA shield. I take it they were for GA-38 at one time? Street View only goes back to 2008 but it was gone by then too.
https://imgur.com/a/cX7pVz9
That was for SR 94, which was truncated to the east after 2004.
(https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/i-075-ga-archive-north/i-075_nb_exit_016_22.jpg)
01/16/14
GA 38 is co-signed with US 84 throughout the state, so it still meets I-75 at the interchange above, but just not signed on the Interstate itself.
Also, what irks me the most about freeway signs is the additional EXIT on the bottom of signs where the word is already used on the top. Other states don't do it unless the interchange is unnumbered, so this is annoying as hell.
Voyager-that last picture was taken right near a house. If a car stopped along the road at night to go get that assembly, and in that area, i would expect that homeowner to come out on his porch armed to "investigate"
Quote from: D-Dey65 on January 09, 2023, 04:08:57 PM
Does anybody even use the railroad line shown here?
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ce/GA136eRoad-GA193nsSign_%2832784219931%29.jpg/640px-GA136eRoad-GA193nsSign_%2832784219931%29.jpg)
If not, why leave the crossing signals up?
Quote from: Dirt Roads on January 09, 2023, 06:09:54 PM
No rails at this location. Not sure what railroad that was, but it ran roughly parallel to the Chattanooga & Chickamauga Railway (which is still operating). Your railroad here has been abandoned, but there are sections of track still in place at various places and even some crossing panels still remain in a few roads. All of the rails are gone at the various crossings where the line crossed GA-193 at grade. For the record, most railroads will indicate that the State owns the railroad crossing and all warning devices, so it is the responsibility of the State to pay the Railroad for the removal of said appurtenances when the railroad is abandoned. That's not going to happen, folks. The State will pay for the removal of rails through the former crossings in order to simplify road maintenance.
Finally found this one. This was a different branch of the Tennessee, Alabama and Georgia (TAG) Railway, which were the same folks that originally owned the parallel line that I mentioned above. But the correct name of the other TAG line just to the east of here is
Chattooga & Chickamauga Railway. Both lines ran between Chattanooga and LaFayette, but this abandoned line ran down to Kensington near the west portal of the Pigeon Mountain Tunnel. And it looks like this line was also operated by the Chatooga & Chickamauga. It operated until 2009 when a Reichold Latex plant in Kensington (owned by Dow Chemical) was shuttered.
Quote from: RothmanUp here in NY, CSX was hoping to sell a line heading north out of Syracuse to another railway. They were letting crossings and the like fall into disrepair in anticipation of whatevee the deal was going to be. Deal fell through and CSX is now scrambing with the maintenance backlog.
During my childhood we lived in the Syracuse suburb of Liverpool for a couple years. I remember the trains back then had Conrail branding. I think CSX was just getting started at that time.
Quote from: Dirt RoadsTwo issues here: (1) The last railroad entity might not have any money left to bother picking out salvageable assets; or (2) some or all of the railroad right-of-way is on property where the ownership reverts back to the "original" adjacent property owners when the rail is removed.
Here in Oklahoma the former rail line ROW usually does just that, revert to previous property owners or the existing adjacent property owners. Even in those cases it might be worth it. Steel prices are pretty freaking high right now. Still, it's not hard to find abandoned track with the rails still there just left to rust.
Do you think it's possible to watch a 1926 silent movie and actually enjoy it?
Well, I did because to win the girl of his affection, the short, loveable Buster Keaton exudes all the comedic emotions necessary as he defends his train engine, The General, from Union soldiers who steal it on the Chattanooga to Marietta railway during the Civil War.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzspLWK9FEc
You won't get quick, instant laughs, but if patient, you will really enjoy this comedy production from beginning to end. It's amazing how much can be conveyed without words. There's very little sentences displayed on the screen, and this actor was famous for a reason, and he performed some dangerous stunts with perfection.
^^^ And, of course, that one is a third parallel line - the Western & Atlantic, which became part of the Nashville, Chattanooga & St. Louis Railway (and later part of the Louisville & Nashville, a predecessor of CSXT).
Quote from: architect77 on January 11, 2023, 03:53:01 PM
Do you think it's possible to watch a 1926 silent movie and actually enjoy it?
Well, I did because to win the girl of his affection, the short, loveable Buster Keaton exudes all the comedic emotions necessary as he defends his train engine, The General, from Union soldiers who steal it on the Chattanooga to Marietta railway during the Civil War.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzspLWK9FEc
You won't get quick, instant laughs, but if patient, you will really enjoy this comedy production from beginning to end. It's amazing how much can be conveyed without words. There's very little sentences displayed on the screen, and this actor was famous for a reason, and he performed some dangerous stunts with perfection.
Good movie, but promoted The Lost Cause view of the war.
Saturday morning I drove US 129-441 between Eatonton and I-20, which is finally being widened. I'd read that it'd have a 32-foot median instead of the usual 44, and I'd assumed that the narrower median would be used to allow the second roadway to hug the existing one as has been done on other projects with the reduced-width median (e.g. GA 133). In fact, though, the new roadway crosses the old more times than I could easily count, and the ROW width seems to be quite extravagant even where the new roadway parallels the existing one. I can't see that reducing the median by twelve feet is significant in any way.
Of course, the part that's most advanced in construction is in the middle, but the northern end is further along than the southern end. I hold out some hope that the northern half of the project could open in a year and a half or so, with the southern half following sometime later.
Quote from: Henry on January 10, 2023, 07:49:26 PM
Quote from: Alex on December 29, 2022, 12:44:26 PM
Quote from: Voyager75 on December 27, 2022, 10:16:58 PM
Traveling on I-75 North at Exit 16 yesterday I noticed these overheads with a ghost image of a GA shield. I take it they were for GA-38 at one time? Street View only goes back to 2008 but it was gone by then too.
https://imgur.com/a/cX7pVz9
That was for SR 94, which was truncated to the east after 2004.
(https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/i-075-ga-archive-north/i-075_nb_exit_016_22.jpg)
01/16/14
GA 38 is co-signed with US 84 throughout the state, so it still meets I-75 at the interchange above, but just not signed on the Interstate itself.
Also, what irks me the most about freeway signs is the additional EXIT on the bottom of signs where the word is already used on the top. Other states don't do it unless the interchange is unnumbered, so this is annoying as hell.
The worst is GA rest areas are Exit x miles. They're not exits as they connect to no other road.
Months later:
Quote from: Henry on January 10, 2023, 07:49:26 PM
Also, what irks me the most about freeway signs is the additional EXIT on the bottom of signs where the word is already used on the top. Other states don't do it unless the interchange is unnumbered, so this is annoying as hell.
Oh, it used to be far worse. In addition to appearing on then-new signs, the redundant EXIT was retrofitted onto existing signs, with the original text moved rightward to make room for it only if there wasn't enough room for the new text. so, in addition to the annoying redundancy, the great majority of such signs were crappily asymmetric as well. Someone told me that it was the personal diktat of Tom Moreland, the legendary DOT commissioner, which I have no trouble believing because if he opposed it it wouldn't have happened.
I think that a few examples still exist, but, if so, they won't be around for long.
(https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/i-075-ga-archive-north/i-075_nb_exit_016_22.jpg)
Have we discussed this before? Maybe it was just on Facebook. Anyway, this is from the 1962 Rand McNally atlas. As you can see, I-75 was supposedly routed along the fairly-new but free-access US 19-41 from Griffin to Forest Park where it became Atlanta's South Expressway, with the proposed new-terrain I-75 running by Barnesville and Griffin to tie into it. As infeasible as such an upgrade seems, it might've actually been the plan: an underutilized new-terrain segment of US 41 was built from Barnesville to Griffin on what must've been right-of-way purchased for I-75. Bizarrely, the official state map once showed it as GA 333, which is the same number given initially to the relocated US 19 from Albany nearly to the Florida line.
Also on this bit of mapping, note the gap in the proposed route of I-20 through Rockdale County. It took me way too long to figure this out, but what's now I-20 through Rockdale County was built in the early fifties as a two-lane, free-access relocation of US 278. Once it was decided to put I-20 there, frontage roads and interchanges were expeditiously built before the expense of doing so became prohibitive. This 1962 aerial (https://www.historicaerials.com/location/33.69985401352081/-84.09564390802893/1962/16) shows brand-new I-20 from downtown Atlanta tying into two-lane US 278, with the Turner Hill road interchange under construction.
So, absurd as it may seem, if Georgia did this successfully in Rockdale, it's conceivable that they intended to do it between Griffin and Forest Park as well. If so, though, I suspect that the opening of the Atlanta International Raceway with its catastrophic effect on race-day traffic must've killed off whatever viability the concept may have still had. The 1964 Rand McNally showed I-75 as it actually ended up being built. As a final footnote, though, the closing Stockbridge-to-US 19-41 link of I-75 wasn't finished until 1970, but that US 41-GA 333 four-lane I mentioned was finished a couple of years sooner. I can't imagine an acceptable rationale for that.
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Quote from: Henry on January 10, 2023, 07:49:26 PM
Also, what irks me the most about freeway signs is the additional EXIT on the bottom of signs where the word is already used on the top. Other states don't do it unless the interchange is unnumbered, so this is annoying as hell.
Quote from: Tom958 on May 07, 2023, 07:49:18 AM
Oh, it used to be far worse. In addition to appearing on then-new signs, the redundant EXIT was retrofitted onto existing signs, with the original text moved rightward to make room for it only if there wasn't enough room for the new text. so, in addition to the annoying redundancy, the great majority of such signs were crappily asymmetric as well. Someone told me that it was the personal diktat of Tom Moreland, the legendary DOT commissioner, which I have no trouble believing because if he opposed it it wouldn't have happened.
I think that a few examples still exist, but, if so, they won't be around for long.
(https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/i-075-ga-archive-north/i-075_nb_exit_016_22.jpg)
It may have not been true in Georgia, but in some states what you'all called "redundant EXIT" was meant to be an indication that the posted Control Cities were not located near the exit.
Quote from: Tom958 on May 07, 2023, 12:40:39 PM
So, absurd as it may seem, if Georgia did this successfully in Rockdale, it's conceivable that they intended to do it between Griffin and Forest Park as well. If so, though, I suspect that the opening of the Atlanta International Raceway with its catastrophic effect on race-day traffic must've killed off whatever viability the concept may have still had. The 1964 Rand McNally showed I-75 as it actually ended up being built. As a final footnote, though, the closing Stockbridge-to-US 19-41 link of I-75 wasn't finished until 1970, but that US 41-GA 333 four-lane I mentioned was finished a couple of years sooner. I can't imagine an acceptable rationale for that.
I expect at the time an in-place upgrade or thereabouts would have been fairly viable. The terrain is also a bit more amenable to a new location freeway than the current I-75 corridor. It'd be nice to have closer access to Peachtree City and Fayetteville from I-75 too.
As far as the four-laning of 41 south of Griffin, along with the not-terribly-useful-these-days Griffin bypass, I expect it was political consolation prize for Barnesville not getting I-75. You can also sorta-kinda argue that 41 was carrying both the traffic for 41 and 341 north of Barnesville, and the old alignment is not very good.
Quote from: lordsutch on May 15, 2023, 01:38:09 PMI expect at the time an in-place upgrade or thereabouts would have been fairly viable. The terrain is also a bit more amenable to a new location freeway than the current I-75 corridor. It'd be nice to have closer access to Peachtree City and Fayetteville from I-75 too.
That was more or less my argument, though I suspect the equation was decisively altered by the construction of the raceway.
Peachtree City didn't exist then (you knew that, right?) and Fayetteville wasn't very big. Beyond that, today's I-75 is more evenly spaced between I-85 and I-20 than US 41 was, and the section between Stockbridge and Forest Park provided a very useful new corridor. Actually, that was a more compelling reason to move I-75 than the raceway was, and one that wasn't operative for I-20.
Quote from: lordsutchAs far as the four-laning of 41 south of Griffin, along with the not-terribly-useful-these-days Griffin bypass, I expect it was a political consolation prize for Barnesville not getting I-75. You can also sorta-kinda argue that 41 was carrying both the traffic for 41 and 341 north of Barnesville, and the old alignment is not very good.
To me, it would almost be easier to understand if they'd built that section before starting on the rerouted I-75 north of Forsyth. Once they started that, though, IMO it should've been completed before a reliever that wouldn't have been needed for more than three years or so. After all, traffic straight from Macon to Atlanta had the option of taking US 23 instead of US 41 if Barnesville-Griffin was really that bad, especially if they figured out that it was better to use GA 87 before US 23 was routed there.
I'm actually a fan of the Griffin bypass because as a freeway it'll be forever free of the scourge of traffic lights. I guess it'd be nice if the rest of US 41 into Atlanta was as well, but IMO not at the cost of having I-75 in its current, superior location.
I drove to Huntsville and back for work yesterday, and there are two things I wanted to note:
First, on GA 140 between Adairsville and US 27, a very high proportion of the new eastbound roadway is striped and seemingly ready for traffic, with additional sections nearly as far along. However, one quarter-mile section about two miles west of US 41 still looks so chaotic that I can't really even tell what the finished product will be like. In particular, the barrier-faced retaining wall in this Streetview image (https://goo.gl/maps/41tbCqQqUPE4jgeq6) (it was too dark for photos, and the scene snuck up on me) is very much lower than the new eastbound roadway upon which all traffic now flows. In fact, throughout the project, there seems to be more difference in elevation between the two roadways and variations in median width than GDOT has typically been tolerating, which I like.
Second, the last half mile or so of the climbing lane on US 27 headed southward out of Summerville has been striped away, seemingly greatly reducing the utility of the lane. Here's the former beginning of the lane (https://goo.gl/maps/KdXQQyCKYm73Bd6HA), with the old striping still slightly visible. Weirdly, instead of using the extra width to provide a turn lane or other buffer between opposing directions of traffic, the freed-up width is in the form of a striped-away right shoulder lane on the northbound side (https://goo.gl/maps/DxjfVLSwLgwaMdoN9). I can't imagine why they did this.
There's a place on southbound GA 48 (https://goo.gl/maps/5itaXz6gYDuCoHEU7) where a passing lane had been shortened well before the hillcrest, but at that location, there were several driveways plus a more-important climbing lane meeting it from the opposite direction that may have led to safety problems. I don't see anything like that on that part of US 27. If the idea on US 27 was to separate the two head-on climbing lanes there, I would think that it'd be better to truncate the northbound one instead so as to slow traffic entering that steep downgrade rather than to impede southbound trucks that may already be struggling to maintain speed on the upgrade. But, hey, what do I know?
What's up with the only two lane Argyle Bypass on US 8 & GA 38?
https://goo.gl/maps/wgVtnJwetRZ9f94n7
Doesn't make sense to upgrade a corridor to four lanes and create another two lane segment along its path including a grass median.
Quote from: roadman65 on May 29, 2023, 06:32:01 PM
What's up with the only two lane Argyle Bypass on US 8 & GA 38?
https://goo.gl/maps/wgVtnJwetRZ9f94n7
Doesn't make sense to upgrade a corridor to four lanes and create another two lane segment along its path including a grass median.
My guess is the traffic volumes didn't really justify 4 lanes there. It's also signed at 45 mph.
It's goofy but given the choice between that and GDOT's usual M.O. on GRIP corridors of putting a flush median section straight through town with some gratuitous traffic signals (usually dropping to 35 mph or less), I'll choose the bypass.
Quote from: lordsutch on May 30, 2023, 06:23:33 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 29, 2023, 06:32:01 PM
What's up with the only two lane Argyle Bypass on US 8 & GA 38?
https://goo.gl/maps/wgVtnJwetRZ9f94n7
Doesn't make sense to upgrade a corridor to four lanes and create another two lane segment along its path including a grass median.
My guess is the traffic volumes didn't really justify 4 lanes there. It's also signed at 45 mph.
It's goofy but given the choice between that and GDOT's usual M.O. on GRIP corridors of putting a flush median section straight through town with some gratuitous traffic signals (usually dropping to 35 mph or less), I'll choose the bypass.
Maybe GDOT really, really wanted to use roundabouts for traffic control there but didn't want two-lane roundabouts.
Quote from: Tom958 on May 20, 2023, 04:16:28 PM
First, on GA 140 between Adairsville and US 27, a very high proportion of the new eastbound roadway is striped and seemingly ready for traffic, with additional sections nearly as far along. However, one quarter-mile section about two miles west of US 41 still looks so chaotic that I can't really even tell what the finished product will be like. In particular, the barrier-faced retaining wall in this Streetview image (https://goo.gl/maps/41tbCqQqUPE4jgeq6) (it was too dark for photos, and the scene snuck up on me) is very much lower than the new eastbound roadway upon which all traffic now flows.
After going back yesterday and posting some photos in a Facebook group, I learned that the project was supposed to have been finished a year and a half ago, but the contractor went broke and GDOT had to hire another. The holdup is the construction of a retaining wall that's so tall it requires two tiers of temporary excavation support, and it's not very far along now.
I noticed this newer exit guide among many other old ones.
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The rest of the guides.
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https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52885736893_7b5164d1de_k.jpg
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https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52885310926_0981b9a899_k.jpg
I've always enjoyed the different font used on Georgia's signage.
Anyone know what's going on with the new bridge being built over I-75 between I-575 and Barrett Parkway? It's in the wrong place to be a 75 to 575 or the reverse ramp so it must be something for local traffic.
I was wondering that myself. I saw it in Mid May. My only guess is that it's going to be some kind of connector/parkway to relieve traffic volumes on Barrett Parkway...?
Yes, here's a link (http://"https://www.cobbcounty.org/communications/news/phase-3-south-barrett-reliever-underway") to the county's page on the matter. It's expected to be completed by fall of next year.
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on June 06, 2023, 05:28:16 AM
I've always enjoyed the different font used on Georgia's signage.
And I love the new, extra big, extra bold font. It's befitting for the Empire State of the South.
Atlanta is to the Southeast what Chicago is to the Midwest, the unofficial capital and the one true big city for all the surrounding states.
Starting July 1st, Peach Pass will be expanding to several more states (https://peachpass.com/additional-states/).
Yes!!! What states? Tease The Folks! I'm going to New York next month. I hope it and New Jersey are included
One could argue that that should be on the Atlanta thread since all existing GA toll roads are in the Atlanta area. In any case I already posted it there
Quote from: Tomahawkin on June 24, 2023, 03:31:02 PM
Yes!!! What states? Tease The Folks! I'm going to New York next month. I hope it and New Jersey are included
NY/NJ are not included in the immediate expansion. I am guessing this is because their toll equipment only reads hard-case transponders but the Peach Pass transponder is a sticker, and it doesn't look like Georgia is going to offer a hard-case transponder option.
Quote from: Tomahawkin on June 24, 2023, 03:31:02 PM
Yes!!! What states? Tease The Folks! I'm going to New York next month. I hope it and New Jersey are included
Indiana, Illinois, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, and Rhode Island.
In any case, wouldn't it be easier to open any other E-ZPass account is surrounding states to get around this issue, until hard case is offered?
Quote from: sprjus4 on June 25, 2023, 06:17:21 AM
In any case, wouldn't it be easier to open any other E-ZPass account is surrounding states to get around this issue, until hard case is offered?
Well there's no confirmation that hard case is ever going to be offered by Peach Pass. The website says that the interoperability is coming soon for the rest of the E-ZPass region, without specifying how it is going to happen.
Quote from: Ga293 on June 12, 2023, 09:22:07 AM
Yes, here's a link (https://www.cobbcounty.org/communications/news/phase-3-south-barrett-reliever-underway) to the county's page on the matter. It's expected to be completed by fall of next year.
Thanks. Odd that it goes into a roundabout on the east side, a roundabout with two exits. Highly redundant unless someone's planning something south of there.
Quote from: ran4sh on June 27, 2023, 08:56:53 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on June 25, 2023, 06:17:21 AM
In any case, wouldn't it be easier to open any other E-ZPass account is surrounding states to get around this issue, until hard case is offered?
Well there's no confirmation that hard case is ever going to be offered by Peach Pass. The website says that the interoperability is coming soon for the rest of the E-ZPass region, without specifying how it is going to happen.
My understanding is that this will be accomplished via the individual EZ-Pass IAG members adding multi-protocol RFID tag readers that support SeGo and 6C in addition to the original TDM protocol as part of their regular equipment upgrades at their toll collection facilities. Interoperability with the IAG will need to be enabled on a per-agency basis because it requires the home agency (the issuer of the tags, so PeachPass in this instance) to accept the IAG's standardized transaction control format into their billing systems.
I have not seen any indication that GDOT will be installing any TDM readers on its facilities so I am left to assume there will not be any reciprocity with the IAG. My advice to Georgia residents who regularly drive in EZ-Pass territory is to get an NC Quick Pass hard-case transponder (or a FLEX model, which I have) that supports all three protocols and will work along the entire East Coast without potential compatiblity shenanigans.
Quote from: Thing 342 on July 04, 2023, 10:24:00 AM
Quote from: ran4sh on June 27, 2023, 08:56:53 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on June 25, 2023, 06:17:21 AM
In any case, wouldn't it be easier to open any other E-ZPass account is surrounding states to get around this issue, until hard case is offered?
Well there's no confirmation that hard case is ever going to be offered by Peach Pass. The website says that the interoperability is coming soon for the rest of the E-ZPass region, without specifying how it is going to happen.
My understanding is that this will be accomplished via the individual EZ-Pass IAG members adding multi-protocol RFID tag readers that support SeGo and 6C in addition to the original TDM protocol as part of their regular equipment upgrades at their toll collection facilities. Interoperability with the IAG will need to be enabled on a per-agency basis because it requires the home agency (the issuer of the tags, so PeachPass in this instance) to accept the IAG's standardized transaction control format into their billing systems.
I have not seen any indication that GDOT will be installing any TDM readers on its facilities so I am left to assume there will not be any reciprocity with the IAG. My advice to Georgia residents who regularly drive in EZ-Pass territory is to get an NC Quick Pass hard-case transponder (or a FLEX model, which I have) that supports all three protocols and will work along the entire East Coast without potential compatiblity shenanigans.
I'm confused, what's the point of the IAG allowing Georgia to join (which occurred administratively in 2021) if the IAG/E-ZPass doesn't eventually achieve full interoperability with GA/Peach Pass ?
Quote from: Thing 342 on July 04, 2023, 10:24:00 AM
I have not seen any indication that GDOT will be installing any TDM readers on its facilities so I am left to assume there will not be any reciprocity with the IAG. My advice to Georgia residents who regularly drive in EZ-Pass territory is to get an NC Quick Pass hard-case transponder (or a FLEX model, which I have) that supports all three protocols and will work along the entire East Coast without potential compatiblity shenanigans.
I expect that GDOT will rely on plate matching for passenger cars from E-ZPass states; there can't be that many people using tags from that far afield on GDOT's toll facilities, which all ban trucks and are geared toward peak commuter traffic. Unlike Florida and NC, there are no active plans or even thoughts I'm aware of to build true toll roads or the like that would attract out-of-state traffic, for better or worse.
NY E-ZPass now says E-ZPass is accepted in Georgia. Guessing going the other direction is taking some time.
Went 2 The Rotten Apple 2 weeks ago. My Peachpass was tolled up there, Hence the 60 dollars I paid on tolls Im certain that EZ Pass is accepted in Florida?
Has anyone else noticed that the 511GA site now shows mile markers on the map, and in the case of state routes, the mileage doesn't reset at county lines? Maybe Georgia will start to change the actual mile markers posted
https://511ga.org/
Quote from: ran4sh on August 17, 2023, 01:04:49 PM
Has anyone else noticed that the 511GA site now shows mile markers on the map, and in the case of state routes, the mileage doesn't reset at county lines? Maybe Georgia will start to change the actual mile markers posted
https://511ga.org/
Possibly; our counties are small enough that 911/511 operators may have trouble uniquely identifying crash locations and the like. It would make some sense to use statewide mileage now that GDOT seems to be installing enhanced location signs on at least some projects (like GA 96 in Houston County).
Yesterday I noticed that the erroneous signage westbound on GA 316 approaching the Sugarloaf Parkway-Harbins Road exit has been corrected. I don't get over that way much-- the corrected signs are on Streetview from June 2023. Basically, the earlier signs tried to illustrate what lane to be in for the ramp split beyond the exit, but screwed up the lane assignments in doing so. Also, in posting about it on Facebook, I discovered that a substantial proportion of people read the earlier legend as "Sugarloaf Harbins/Parkway Road," thereby failing at its intended purpose.
First sign, first try (https://goo.gl/maps/uwZWRaXZmMuYm36v8). It indicates that only one lane continues on the mainline.
First sign, second try (https://goo.gl/maps/jo3bvwFnpZWeMrKi8). It's noncompliant with the MUTCD, but at least it's not flat-out wrong. I find this scheme to be intuitive and hence easy to understand, but there's a substantial proportion of the motoring public whose brains go tilt when they see a vertical separator line directly over an arrow, whether it's a down arrow like this or an up arrow on an APL.
Second sign, first try (https://goo.gl/maps/8WxRmq8DPmu8ttj16). The center arrow is a split arrow with the straight side greened out. What a masterpiece. :clap:
Second sign, second try (https://goo.gl/maps/pEGEspgkmh2qcdKq6). Now it's a normal APL. It's compliant, but there might be last-second lane changes by people who don't realize until the next overhead that they need to get out of the right lane to get on Sugarloaf. Too bad schemes like this (https://goo.gl/maps/ooVAeNybrHCEQ6xb6) are now considered hopelessly confusing. :spin:
Quote from: Thing 342 on July 04, 2023, 10:24:00 AM
Quote from: ran4sh on June 27, 2023, 08:56:53 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on June 25, 2023, 06:17:21 AM
In any case, wouldn't it be easier to open any other E-ZPass account is surrounding states to get around this issue, until hard case is offered?
Well there's no confirmation that hard case is ever going to be offered by Peach Pass. The website says that the interoperability is coming soon for the rest of the E-ZPass region, without specifying how it is going to happen.
My understanding is that this will be accomplished via the individual EZ-Pass IAG members adding multi-protocol RFID tag readers that support SeGo and 6C in addition to the original TDM protocol as part of their regular equipment upgrades at their toll collection facilities. Interoperability with the IAG will need to be enabled on a per-agency basis because it requires the home agency (the issuer of the tags, so PeachPass in this instance) to accept the IAG's standardized transaction control format into their billing systems.
I have not seen any indication that GDOT will be installing any TDM readers on its facilities so I am left to assume there will not be any reciprocity with the IAG. My advice to Georgia residents who regularly drive in EZ-Pass territory is to get an NC Quick Pass hard-case transponder (or a FLEX model, which I have) that supports all three protocols and will work along the entire East Coast without potential compatiblity shenanigans.
My guess is Pennsylvania will accept Peach Pass once it converts to open road tolling over the next few years. No sense in retrofitting all of the existing toll plazas when they will soon be deactivated and demolished.
You'd better not speed in Georgia, or it might cost you $1 million: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/10/16/georgia-speeding-ticket-1-4-million/71205273007/.
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on October 16, 2023, 06:35:15 PM
You'd better not speed in Georgia, or it might cost you $1 million: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/10/16/georgia-speeding-ticket-1-4-million/71205273007/.
Well, no, it won't...
Quote from: Rothman on October 16, 2023, 06:50:56 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on October 16, 2023, 06:35:15 PM
You'd better not speed in Georgia, or it might cost you $1 million: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/10/16/georgia-speeding-ticket-1-4-million/71205273007/.
Well, no, it won't...
Yeah total clickbait but still absolutely stupid to even this policy in the first place.
I don't mind the required court appearance for super speeders. This isn't even news. Technical errors like that happen all the time.
Is there any possibility that this site on US 17 in Midway might've been a former rest area or truck weigh station?
https://www.google.com/maps/@31.8097151,-81.4305631,3a,75y,10.09h,102.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sw9akch3WmchaC6y5NIn9uA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en&entry=ttu
https://www.dot.ga.gov/InvestSmart/GRIP/Facts/SR40FactSheet.pdf
What does beyond STIP mean on project construction date on fact sheet page 3?
Quote from: roadman65 on November 20, 2023, 07:47:25 AM
https://www.dot.ga.gov/InvestSmart/GRIP/Facts/SR40FactSheet.pdf
What does beyond STIP mean on project construction date on fact sheet page 3?
Heh. It means it isn't funded for construction currently.
Quote from: Rothman on November 20, 2023, 08:17:28 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 20, 2023, 07:47:25 AM
https://www.dot.ga.gov/InvestSmart/GRIP/Facts/SR40FactSheet.pdf
What does beyond STIP mean on project construction date on fact sheet page 3?
Heh. It means it isn't funded for construction currently.
What I figured. Like everything else, it has to wait for opportunity.
https://www.aaroads.com/ga/285/i-285-e-exit-020-3.jpg
I see the current I-285 c/d roadway at I-75 near Smyrna, is the preexisting freeway that always was I-285 prior to the interchange upgrade. The current freeway is new and the engineers left the original freeway to facilitate movements between I-285 and I-75 as well as nearby freeway ramps
Interesting redo, I must say.
Quote from: roadman65 on December 20, 2023, 08:16:06 AM
https://www.aaroads.com/ga/285/i-285-e-exit-020-3.jpg
I see the current I-285 c/d roadway at I-75 near Smyrna, is the preexisting freeway that always was I-285 prior to the interchange upgrade. The current freeway is new and the engineers left the original freeway to facilitate movements between I-285 and I-75 as well as nearby freeway ramps
Interesting redo, I must say.
For several of the freeway-to-freeway interchanges in Metro Atlanta, there was a similar upgrade where there's clear evidence that what is now a ramp used to be the mainline.
Has anyone else seen what Atlanta/Sandy Springs is planning to do to the Johnson Ferry/Mt. Vernon area?
The short version is, they're getting rid of the one-ways between where those cross and Roswell Road to the west, and replacing them with two parallel roads that do not intersect. The parking lot east of the library will be turned into a connector road between them. So you'll be driving on Johnson Ferry and suddenly it'll turn into Mt. Vernon, or vice-versa. As weird as this sounds, it's still better than the alternative that they were considering, which involved two roundabouts.
https://www.sandyspringsga.gov/johnson-ferry-roadmt-vernon-highway-improvement
Quote from: Finrod on December 24, 2023, 01:43:23 PM
Has anyone else seen what Atlanta/Sandy Springs is planning to do to the Johnson Ferry/Mt. Vernon area?
The short version is, they're getting rid of the one-ways between where those cross and Roswell Road to the west, and replacing them with two parallel roads that do not intersect. The parking lot east of the library will be turned into a connector road between them. So you'll be driving on Johnson Ferry and suddenly it'll turn into Mt. Vernon, or vice-versa. As weird as this sounds, it's still better than the alternative that they were considering, which involved two roundabouts.
https://www.sandyspringsga.gov/johnson-ferry-roadmt-vernon-highway-improvement
Seems like a decent idea. I prefer the compressed alternate.
Highways, their routes, controversies, and politics are always tangled together. This was certainly the case with the routing of Interstate 85 in northeast Georgia.
A new Governor changes the planned route that happens to be closer to his hometown. A former highway engineer claimed that the prior administration told him to stop studying one corridor in favor of another that happened to be near the hometown of a highway official.
In the end - in about two years time - the routing of Interstate 85 north and east of Atlanta shifted southwards.
So, what really happened in Georgia highway politics in the late 1950s? Did Vandiver order changes to the route for personal gain? Or was the Griffin administration ignoring the recommendations of their own highway department's engineers? The full truth may never be known, but the one certainty is highways and politics will always be intertwined.
A feature on how Interstate 85 would find its path through northeast Georgia. (including some corridor maps, impact on South Carolina, and good old-fashioned politics.)
https://www.gribblenation.org/2023/12/all-freeway-politics-is-local.html
Quote from: Tom958 on December 25, 2023, 04:26:39 AM
Quote from: Finrod on December 24, 2023, 01:43:23 PM
Has anyone else seen what Atlanta/Sandy Springs is planning to do to the Johnson Ferry/Mt. Vernon area?
The short version is, they're getting rid of the one-ways between where those cross and Roswell Road to the west, and replacing them with two parallel roads that do not intersect. The parking lot east of the library will be turned into a connector road between them. So you'll be driving on Johnson Ferry and suddenly it'll turn into Mt. Vernon, or vice-versa. As weird as this sounds, it's still better than the alternative that they were considering, which involved two roundabouts.
https://www.sandyspringsga.gov/johnson-ferry-roadmt-vernon-highway-improvement
Seems like a decent idea. I prefer the compressed alternate.
This is a common approach in a lot of areas where there are two streets that meet at a very sharp angle, especially if one or both are low traffic.
It exists in many places all over Washington DC because of the heavy use of diagonal streets.
It existed at Times Square (before Broadway was pedestrianized) to divide the traffic between Broadway and 7th Ave.
Hollins and Frederick are separated in Baltimore:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Baltimore,+MD/@39.286817,-76.6462069,17z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x89c803aed6f483b7:0x44896a84223e758!8m2!3d39.2903848!4d-76.6121893!16zL20vMDk0anY?entry=ttu
Ave P and Kings Highway in Brooklyn (but there is still a slip lane for EB Kings Highway to Kings Highway traffic)
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Avenue+P,+Brooklyn,+NY/@40.6115578,-73.9512599,17z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x89c244ea9f812b89:0x35f58369a773174a!8m2!3d40.6101927!4d-73.9604547!16s%2Fg%2F1yl45xwzt?entry=ttu
Rockaway Freeway and Beach Channel in Rockaway Beach, NY:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Rockaway+Beach,+Queens,+NY/@40.5904996,-73.8109221,18z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x89c26876363711a3:0xe5c433c345d63995!8m2!3d40.5860224!4d-73.8166259!16zL20vMDR2a25n?entry=ttu
In all of the above cases, this exists with a grid. Having connectors to utilize the streets that are avoided are critical for this to work. Good signage is also key.
GA 316 UPDATES
Not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but through traffic on GA 316 was shifted to the future ramps at GA 11 a few months ago, and the bridge piers to carry GA 316 over GA 11 are now under construction. When this interchange is finished, GA 316 will have 11 miles of uninterrupted, signal-free highway from Carl-Bethlehem Road to GA 211.
I still think GDOT should make building an overpass at Carl-Bethlehem Road a much higher priority, especially with construction of the West Winder Bypass interchange imminent. Doing that would increase the length of uninterrupted highway to 16 miles, and leave only two traffic signals in Barrow County, at Kilcrease Road and GA 211.
Are there any plans to reconstruct the I-16, I-516 interchange in Savannah? I think they are adding an extra lane to I-16 southbound over I-516 but that interchange looks a mess. It's very similar to the old I-285/SR 400 interchange in Atlanta with the ramp entrances on the left side.
Quote from: Gnutella on January 04, 2024, 11:28:10 PM
GA 316 UPDATES
I still think GDOT should make building an overpass at Carl-Bethlehem Road a much higher priority, especially with construction of the West Winder Bypass interchange imminent. Doing that would increase the length of uninterrupted highway to 16 miles, and leave only two traffic signals in Barrow County, at Kilcrease Road and GA 211.
I think a case could be made for simply closing Carl-Bethlehem Road there. Traffic could use Haymon Morris, Roxey Maxey, and Tom Miller Roads instead, or 316. Maybe leave it as a pair of RIROs until the Winder Bypass interchange is done to keep from dumping too much traffic in the construction zone.
I noticed last night that GA 140's widening west of Adairsville is finally nearing completion. The two carriageways were fully paved and striped, though still being used as one-lane, save for this bend (https://www.google.com/maps/place/34%C2%B022'12.3%22N+84%C2%B058'30.5%22W/@34.3700822,-84.9764265,461m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m4!3m3!8m2!3d34.37008!4d-84.975139?entry=ttu), where they are still building the new westbound carriageway. This will be one less annoyance on the shortest route between Huntsville and Atlanta when it's finally done.
Quote from: freebrickproductions on January 12, 2024, 10:04:34 PM
I noticed last night that GA 140's widening west of Adairsville is finally nearing completion. The two carriageways were fully paved and striped, though still being used as one-lane, save for this bend (https://www.google.com/maps/place/34%C2%B022'12.3%22N+84%C2%B058'30.5%22W/@34.3700822,-84.9764265,461m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m4!3m3!8m2!3d34.37008!4d-84.975139?entry=ttu), where they are still building the new westbound carriageway. This will be one less annoyance on the shortest route between Huntsville and Atlanta when it's finally done.
I learned via Peach State Roads on Facebook that the original contractor had to be replaced, which is why it's been taking so long.
I'm not surprised? I'm sure that there were contractors that had to be replaced in the 400/285 interchange? The World trade Center site was rebuilt sooner than the time it's taking to complete the 400/285 interchange, SMH
How close is the reconstruction of the I-95/I-16 interchange in Pooler to being finished? The GDOT website doesn't have any updates that I can find.
https://1695improvements-gdot.hub.arcgis.com/
https://peachpass.com/e-zpass/
Peach Pass is now accepted in all 18 E-ZPass states (except for poor Michigan)!
I thought Michigan didn't have tolls or E-ZPass...
Also this means E-ZPass agencies are finally accepting sticker transponders. And it looks like some E-ZPass members are switching to stickers for their own customers accounts.
Quote from: ran4sh on January 20, 2024, 06:30:40 PM
I thought Michigan didn't have tolls or E-ZPass...
Not even between the mainland and the UP? Because I could've swore they had them there.
Quote from: D-Dey65 on January 22, 2024, 03:04:19 PM
Quote from: ran4sh on January 20, 2024, 06:30:40 PM
I thought Michigan didn't have tolls or E-ZPass...
Not even between the mainland and the UP? Because I could've swore they had them there.
Tolls, yes. E-ZPass, no.
Quote from: Rothman on January 22, 2024, 03:12:12 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on January 22, 2024, 03:04:19 PM
Quote from: ran4sh on January 20, 2024, 06:30:40 PM
I thought Michigan didn't have tolls or E-ZPass...
Not even between the mainland and the UP? Because I could've swore they had them there.
Tolls, yes. E-ZPass, no.
Bay City, MI has a toll bridge that accepts E-ZPass...
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on January 22, 2024, 03:20:01 PM
Quote from: Rothman on January 22, 2024, 03:12:12 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on January 22, 2024, 03:04:19 PM
Quote from: ran4sh on January 20, 2024, 06:30:40 PM
I thought Michigan didn't have tolls or E-ZPass...
Not even between the mainland and the UP? Because I could've swore they had them there.
Tolls, yes. E-ZPass, no.
Bay City, MI has a toll bridge that accepts E-ZPass...
Heh. That's silly.
Quote from: Tom958 on January 12, 2024, 09:00:42 PM
Quote from: Gnutella on January 04, 2024, 11:28:10 PM
GA 316 UPDATES
I still think GDOT should make building an overpass at Carl-Bethlehem Road a much higher priority, especially with construction of the West Winder Bypass interchange imminent. Doing that would increase the length of uninterrupted highway to 16 miles, and leave only two traffic signals in Barrow County, at Kilcrease Road and GA 211.
I think a case could be made for simply closing Carl-Bethlehem Road there. Traffic could use Haymon Morris, Roxey Maxey, and Tom Miller Roads instead, or 316. Maybe leave it as a pair of RIROs until the Winder Bypass interchange is done to keep from dumping too much traffic in the construction zone.
GDOT has already
designed an overpass (https://0013903-sr316atcr416carl-bethlehemroad-gdot.hub.arcgis.com/) for Carl-Bethlehem Road with an intent to remove access from GA 316, which makes sense, given that the road directly connects two population centers in Barrow County (Carl/Auburn and Bethlehem) and carries enough traffic for GDOT to have signalized the intersection with GA 316.
Quote from: Rothman on January 22, 2024, 11:03:57 PM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on January 22, 2024, 03:20:01 PM
Quote from: Rothman on January 22, 2024, 03:12:12 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on January 22, 2024, 03:04:19 PM
Quote from: ran4sh on January 20, 2024, 06:30:40 PM
I thought Michigan didn't have tolls or E-ZPass...
Not even between the mainland and the UP? Because I could've swore they had them there.
Tolls, yes. E-ZPass, no.
Bay City, MI has a toll bridge that accepts E-ZPass...
Heh. That's silly.
https://baycitybridgepartners.com/
United Bridge Partners did that project it seems. https://unitedbridgepartners.com/our-projects-united-bridge-partners/
Curious as to see how interoperability works in the future with more of their projects.
What is Corridor Z in Georgia?
I know that it said in AlpsRoads.net about GA 520, stating;
(https://www.alpsroads.net/roads/ga/ga_520/jct.jpg) (https://www.alpsroads.net/roads/ga/ga_520/sgp.jpg)[/size]
The first photo is courtesy John Krakoff via Adam Prince, and the second is from J. P. Nasiatka. All of GA 520 is Corridor Z, a high-priority corridor to the Coastal Georgia Regional Development Center and a GRIP (Governor's Road Improvement Program) corridor, but not an Appalachian Regional Development highway. It's also all the South Georgia Parkway, and most of the time GA 520 shields will be green to reflect its special nature. (It could be argued that plain 520 shields - black on white on black - are errors.)
Source: AlpsRoads.net
I just want to know because they added that segment onto a Wikipedia article about GA 520.
It's a corridor of the Appalachian Development Highway System, which is now considered almost fully built out, but consisted of designated corridors from GA all the way up to NY.
Quote from: Rothman on January 25, 2024, 02:20:05 PM
It's a corridor of the Appalachian Development Highway System, which is now considered almost fully built out, but consisted of designated corridors from GA all the way up to NY.
It's not an official ADHS corridor though, but for whatever reason they treat it as if it were one, so it gets a letter and the fancy colored shield treatment. The only official ADHS corridor in Georgia is Corridor A, which follows GA 515 and is almost entirely signed with blue shields.
There are plenty of other GRIP corridors in Georgia that aren't also ADHS corridors but for all intents and purposes result in the same thing - a four lane divided highway. US 27, US 19 south of Atlanta, and US 84 are just a few of them that I use regularly.
IMO, if they are not going to build another perimeter around Atlanta, then GDOT needs to seriously invest in making US 27 up to near Freeway standards from the Tennessee state line to Florida. The Spring/Summer vacation traffic on IH 75 sucks even with 75 being 6 lanes total for 95 percent of the state...
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53487575243_39eb9786bd_c.jpg)https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/53487575243
Is Georgia, with their span wire reassurance shields, the only state to do this on a regular basis?
They 100% need to be planning on another perimeter, even though it probably wouldn't even start construction for another 50 years.
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on January 27, 2024, 05:32:36 PM
They 100% need to be planning on another perimeter, even though it probably wouldn't even start construction for another 50 years.
Plus Chattanooga needs one. However, the traffic it would avoid is Tennessee's problem. So GDOT isn't going to cooperate with Tennessee and build a southern side beltway to take traffic out of the I-75/ I-24 interchange.
Chattanooga's beltway is going to be near impossible to build, even the southern half of one would be a nightmare.
Quote from: roadman65 on January 27, 2024, 06:05:38 PM
Plus Chattanooga needs one. However, the traffic it would avoid is Tennessee's problem. So GDOT isn't going to cooperate with Tennessee and build a southern side beltway to take traffic out of the I-75/ I-24 interchange.
Mississippi looked at I-269 as an opportunity to attract business that would have located in the Memphis area to come to DeSoto and Marshall counties in their state instead, even though it would only apparently relieve traffic in Memphis at the time; given that they just pulled a $2 billion battery manufacturing plant there, it would seem to be paying off.
Alternatively if GDOT as as gung ho about toll roads as Florida, they'd be all over the opportunity to pull the Chattanooga bypass traffic across as much as Georgia as they could get away with. But they're looking for excuses not to build freeways, not excuses to build them.
Well the Lookout Mountain would be a barrier, although a tolled tunnel would be the answer to get it through that, but that maybe the excuse not to build.
On another subject, in Moultrie, GA where US 319 has its only business route, I noticed that the entire alignment of that business route is concurrent with GA 33. Apparently Georgia don't want the GA 33 & 133 concurrency to continue along the bypass, but to have GA 33 be the business route while GA 133 to be the bypass while creating a business loop for US 319 and having a mainline bypass instead.
My question is does GA 35 have a business route as well as its concurrent US 319? Considering that GA 33 is concurrent with US 319 Business, I would think GDOT would need not to have another GA designation as GA 33 would be its state number inventory. GA 35 could just be the Veterans Parkway Bypass and no need for a redundant business route here.
Tunneling through Lookout Mountain would trigger the biggest 4(f) issues ever with the National Park Service site and other attractions on the mountain itself.
Is Lookout Mountain in GA part of the NPS? I would think split it off at the I-24 and I-59 junction and head Southeast. That's hypothetical of course as Georgia would never build for reasons explained earlier, but it could be done with ease if governments were on board if it was entirely in GA in theory.
Quote from: roadman65 on January 29, 2024, 01:33:56 PM
Is Lookout Mountain in GA part of the NPS? I would think split it off at the I-24 and I-59 junction and head Southeast. That's hypothetical of course as Georgia would never build for reasons explained earlier, but it could be done with ease if governments were on board if it was entirely in GA in theory.
Doesn't matter. You'd have to go very far south to get to a point where you would not affect land owned by the NPS as part of the Chickamauga and Chattanooga National Military Park. Even if you stay outside of its technical boundary, consideration would still need to be paid to resolve 4(f).
Quote from: Rothman on January 29, 2024, 01:09:43 PM
Tunneling through Lookout Mountain would trigger the biggest 4(f) issues ever with the National Park Service site and other attractions on the mountain itself.
Plus risking disruption of the caves & waterfalls...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Falls
Ruby Falls is at the northernmost part of Lookout, it would be well out of the path of any proposed beltway path.
I lived in Dalton for 2 years and worked for GDOT for 5, and I never heard any mention of this by either party unlike the Northern Arc; that should tell you just how far down the feasibility scale this beltway or partial is.
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on January 27, 2024, 05:32:36 PM
They 100% need to be planning on another perimeter, even though it probably wouldn't even start construction for another 50 years.
Although a Northern Arc would have been great if built 20 years ago before Forsyth County exploded in population, today it's impossible. Plus an outer perimeter's gigantic diameter would make it not very useful for metro Atlanta's local traffic.
A far Western bypass for I-75 to avoid mixing into metro Atlanta's local traffic would help divert Midwest-to-Florida traffic. It could be done affordably through rural land along the Alabama border then rejoining existing I-75 near Macon.
The other great need is I-85 traffic heading across Georgia Westward to the South Central states. With the 4 I-285 Express lanes coming (2 in each direction), that will more or less meet this need. These lanes with guaranteed free flow of 45mph or greater, won't ever get bogged down because of dynamic pricing.
Quote from: chrislopezz on February 10, 2024, 10:40:48 PM
US 53 isn't supposed to be there.
(https://i.ibb.co/RC5JhFg/1-B849-D22-F5-C0-4-DFA-8-BB9-5-C5-C29-E59282.jpg)
It's been there since circa 2013, yet GDOT still hasn't fixed it.
I-985 North exit 16
Dude, this is just a US/State mixup error. No need to spam the forum with it in multiple threads.
Quote from: chrislopezz on February 10, 2024, 10:40:48 PM
US 53 isn't supposed to be there.
(https://i.ibb.co/RC5JhFg/1-B849-D22-F5-C0-4-DFA-8-BB9-5-C5-C29-E59282.jpg)
It's been there since circa 2013, yet GDOT still hasn't fixed it.
I-985 North exit 16
Find out which division is responsible for that location and email them on their website. They do respond to requests.
That should be District 1.
I found this intersection at Oakwood-Gainesville, GA. But I'm wondering about the "10" with the traffic signal. It goes by at Mundy Mill Road (SR 53). It starts at SR 211 as "1" and ends at M ever Rd as "13". WHAT ARE THOSE NUMBERS FOR??
(https://i.ibb.co/qJbk3hT/C8677-DF5-A50-E-47-B0-9-C31-593-FF3-D7-CC44.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TWzmxJ9)
Quote from: chrislopezz on March 03, 2024, 04:33:36 PM
I found this intersection at Oakwood-Gainesville, GA. But I'm wondering about the "10" with the traffic signal. It goes by at Mundy Mill Road (SR 53). It starts at SR 211 as "1" and ends at M ever Rd as "13". WHAT ARE THOSE NUMBERS FOR??
(https://i.ibb.co/qJbk3hT/C8677-DF5-A50-E-47-B0-9-C31-593-FF3-D7-CC44.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TWzmxJ9)
It's a southern thing...
I believe the numbers are used by some cities as a way to reference signalized intersections.
I made these interchange guide signs from the 1990's
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ee/GDOT_MUTCD_Interchange_Advance_Guide_Signs_%281990s%29.svg/256px-GDOT_MUTCD_Interchange_Advance_Guide_Signs_%281990s%29.svg.png) (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:GDOT_MUTCD_Interchange_Advance_Guide_Signs_(1990s).svg)
GDOT MUTCD Interchange Advance Guide Signs (1990s) (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:GDOT_MUTCD_Interchange_Advance_Guide_Signs_(1990s).svg)
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Compare it to the one below:
2011 signage at Exit 22 showing Exit 24 on Street View. It was replaced on 2013 (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.2819522,-83.8075096,3a,24.8y,20.37h,100.7t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sgb-NK4MfFwF3f8wKly--Eg!2e0!5s20111001T000000!7i13312!8i6656?entry=ttu)
Yesterday I learned that the exits for GA 400 are to be renumbered! I assume that means they'll be numbered by mile from 400's southern origin at I-85. Per Google, that'd make I-285 exits 7A and 7B instead of 4A and 4B now. They did the same thing two years ago on GA 316 at the GA 53 interchange, which is numbered 27 for the mileage from 316's origin at I-85-- the earlier GA 81 interchange, only six miles to the west, is exit 5, presumably because it's five miles from the Gwinnett-Barrow county line.
If you hear anything more, like when it happens or if it really is a sequential-to-mileage-based it remembering, keep us posted.