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Started by iBallasticwolf2, May 24, 2015, 10:50:51 AM

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Mr_Northside

Act 44? 
Yeah, I guess they could build US-219 with all the money they're getting from those I-80 tolls.....
Oh, wait....

Even with the money that the more recent Act 89 brings in, it's mostly being used just to try and keep up what we have.
Sticking with US-219 as an example, PennDOT still isn't sure how it's gonna pay for the upgrades between Meyersdale and Maryland. 
There were plans to extend the freeway north of Ebensburg, they were deferred/cancelled because PennDOT certainly DOES NOT have enough money.
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vdeane

Just because I-80 isn't tolled doesn't mean the PTC is exempt from the payments.  They're still on the hook.  That's why the tolls are sky high on the Turnpike and go up every year.  PennDOT uses the money to subsidize transit.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position of NYSDOT or its affiliates.

roadman65

You think now that they could give the I-80 and I-476 interchange high speed ramps now they have you paying big on the Extension. At least give them something good out of it.  It may not be much, but at least its something.
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froggie

QuotePennDOT uses the money to subsidize transit.

PennDOT uses the money for far more than just subsidizing transit.  There have been scores of repaving and bridge projects the money has been used on.

If you're going to play the "subsidizing game", one could argue that, quite simply, PTC is subsidizing PennDOT...

SkyPesos

Was going to make a new thread for nationwide and worldwide examples after seeing a new ramp stubs thread specific to Washington state, but after seeing that 4 have already been made in the past, decided to bump the most recent of the 4, which is this one.

Some Cincinnati examples

I-74 E to Central Pkwy
- This ramp originally carried US 27/US 52 to Central Pkwy (US 127), which the two US routes use to go to downtown. It was removed as part of the I-75 modernization project, so US 27/52 share a concurrency with I-75 until Hopple (exit 3), where it uses that road to get to Central Pkwy.

Spring Grove Ave to I-75 S loop ramp
- Like the above example, this was closed as part of the I-75 modernization project.

OH 126 at US 22
- This stub was part of the former proposal to extend the Reagan Hwy across Indian Hills to meet I-275 on the east, which got cancelled due to opposition. It has been removed as part of the roundabout project between OH 126 and US 22.

I-275 just south of the US 50/OH 450 interchange
- These look like former rest area ramps to me, though I don't know when the rest area got removed.

behogie230

#30
US 1 at MD 24 in Bel Air, MD: Stubs for a planned overpass that never came to be. There is a one on both the US-1 offramp and onramp.
Offramp: https://goo.gl/maps/f8E4wTRbpQg9Zkyd7
Onramp: https://goo.gl/maps/4rCQ5aE5rG5T1YRv9

PA 23 at US 30: This is a bit more than just stub ramps, but rather an infamous cancelled highway from Lancaster to New Holland known as the "goat path" . If you look at this from above, you'll see that the ROW was acquired and the route was graded for miles, along with overpasses being constructed at each local road along with an interchange but protestors got the plan scrapped after work had begun. A local developer (High Company) has recently decided to extend PA 23 for one mile and construct walking trails for the rest of its length.
Dead end of PA 23: https://goo.gl/maps/MpbgjMRe7mp3GmYJ9
Willow Rd overpass over goat path: https://goo.gl/maps/ZghkNWHqEvoFA1ix9
Newport Rd scrapped interchange: https://goo.gl/maps/55WvksU5WbLegqdh8
Goat path overpass: https://goo.gl/maps/ZM6LpxSHa9pkjvKt6 (not connected to anything)

CoreySamson

The Grand Parkway's interchange with I-69 on the north side of town has a couple temporary ones:

https://www.google.com/maps/@30.1295687,-95.2325231,189m/data=!3m1!1e3
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SkyPesos

I found this at the northern terminus of the Natchez Trace Pkwy with TN 100. When and why did the ramp from Natchez Trace to TN 100 East close, and traffic to TN 100 East were redirected to McCrocy Ln?

bing101

I-380 has a stub ramp in San Bruno, on its west end and it was intended to connect to CA-380.

WillWeaverRVA

This probably barely counts, but the VA 895 James River Bridge has a stub on the eastbound span, meant for a connection from southbound I-95 that was never built.
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snowc

Quote from: behogie230 on April 03, 2021, 07:38:07 PM
US 1 at MD 24 in Bel Air, MD: Stubs for a planned overpass that never came to be. There is a one on both the US-1 offramp and onramp.
Offramp: https://goo.gl/maps/f8E4wTRbpQg9Zkyd7
Onramp: https://goo.gl/maps/4rCQ5aE5rG5T1YRv9

PA 23 at US 30: This is a bit more than just stub ramps, but rather an infamous cancelled highway from Lancaster to New Holland known as the "goat path" . If you look at this from above, you'll see that the ROW was acquired and the route was graded for miles, along with overpasses being constructed at each local road along with an interchange but protestors got the plan scrapped after work had begun. A local developer (High Company) has recently decided to extend PA 23 for one mile and construct walking trails for the rest of its length.
Dead end of PA 23: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0554793,-76.2664409,3a,75y,61.19h,81.61t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0wE3uUQBZXQdU_x_d-VeHw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Willow Rd overpass over goat path: https://goo.gl/maps/ZghkNWHqEvoFA1ix9
Newport Rd scrapped interchange: https://goo.gl/maps/55WvksU5WbLegqdh8
Goat path overpass: https://goo.gl/maps/ZM6LpxSHa9pkjvKt6 (not connected to anything)
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snowc

I481 at I690 in SYR is a VERY GOOD example of stubs. They tried to extend the highway eastward but never came to be.
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0553343,-76.054584,1320m/data=!3m1!1e3

jp the roadgeek

The infamous half-used "Stack" on I-84 at the north end of CT 9.  There are stub ramps to what was supposed to be I-291 north of there, plus there's even a stub of the mainline buried within the interchange.  https://goo.gl/maps/3qqC9wJTR4eqcyW67

The west end of the MA 57 freeway at MA 187 in Feeding Hills.  https://goo.gl/maps/gpYYGyMqPq3WPwqv9

The west end of the RI 138 freeway in North Kingstown  https://goo.gl/maps/4VXEKGGQRmAfgvss9

The south "end" of CT 11 in Salem  https://goo.gl/maps/YP143iGaz9oP2nYs5
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Rothman

Quote from: snowc on April 05, 2021, 02:59:55 PM
I481 at I690 in SYR is a VERY GOOD example of stubs. They tried to extend the highway eastward but never came to be.
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0553343,-76.054584,1320m/data=!3m1!1e3
Nah.  They had ramps to Butternut Dr and those ramps were removed for safety reasons.

See also how I-90/I-690 has changed drastically over the decades.
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bing101

CA-244 Sacramento is a stub but it was intended to be the expanded Beltline Freeway.

ilpt4u

A stub that is disappearing is the stub ramps for the cancelled MO 755 Freeway at I-64/US 40 near Union Station in St Louis

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.6282914,-90.2123158,822m/data=!3m1!1e3

The ramps and stubs have either already been completely torn out or are in the process thereof.

A new soccer stadium for the expansion St Louis MLS team is slated for the site of this cancelled freeway, and the rest of the existing interchange is being completely redeveloped

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=25883.0

ozarkman417

-Southwest terminus of the Ozark Mountain Highroad

-US 67 at Walnut Ridge (not for long due to I-57?)

-IL 6 near Peoria

Revive 755

Quote from: froggie on June 02, 2015, 11:08:25 PM
QuoteThe Amstutz was meant to go further north, but I'm not sure how far or if there were any big-picture plans for it.

All the way to Milwaukee, to what is now WI 794/I-794.


The Interim 1971 CATS Plan has WI 794/I-794  tying into an upgraded/partially relocated US 41 corridor in Illinois with the Amstutz being a separate facility that stops short of the Wisconsin border.  The 1962 CATS Plan does have the US 41 corridor curving closer to the shore near the Wisconsin border but it appears to stay well west of downtown Waukegan.


machias

Quote from: Rothman on April 05, 2021, 07:55:02 PM
Quote from: snowc on April 05, 2021, 02:59:55 PM
I481 at I690 in SYR is a VERY GOOD example of stubs. They tried to extend the highway eastward but never came to be.
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0553343,-76.054584,1320m/data=!3m1!1e3
Nah.  They had ramps to Butternut Dr and those ramps were removed for safety reasons.

See also how I-90/I-690 has changed drastically over the decades.


When I was a kid (mid 1970s), I believe the ramp from I-690 west to I-481 south was signed or formerly signed with a blank green panel.

bing101

The former CA-480 Embarcadero had a stub ramp but that was intended to meet Doyle Drive/Presidio parkway initially but that was gone 3 decades ago when the Loma Prieta quake destroyed the freeway.

I-280 had a stub section at one point on its north end with the intention to meet with CA-480 but that later became gentrified to be a part of Soma and Mission Bay once Oracle park and Chase Arena were built.

kernals12

There are few freeways in Connecticut that don't have stub ramps. The closest one to where I grew up, Ridgefield, is where Super 7 ends in Norwalk.

MinecraftNinja

The stub ramps north of downtown Boston on 93.

Bruce

Two famous ones in Seattle have been demolished in recent years:

The ghost ramps for the RH Thomson Expressway off SR 520 in the Washington Park Arboretum, which had to go for the floating bridge replacement project.

A few nubs off the Alaskan Way Viaduct meant for the Connecticut Street Viaduct, which would have connected to I-90 before the Kingdome blocked off the route.

snowc

Quote from: jp the roadgeek on April 05, 2021, 03:56:19 PM
The infamous half-used "Stack" on I-84 at the north end of CT 9.  There are stub ramps to what was supposed to be I-291 north of there, plus there's even a stub of the mainline buried within the interchange.  https://goo.gl/maps/3qqC9wJTR4eqcyW67

The west end of the MA 57 freeway at MA 187 in Feeding Hills.  https://goo.gl/maps/gpYYGyMqPq3WPwqv9

The west end of the RI 138 freeway in North Kingstown  https://goo.gl/maps/4VXEKGGQRmAfgvss9

The south "end" of CT 11 in Salem  https://goo.gl/maps/YP143iGaz9oP2nYs5
There's even a bridge connecting it too!  :wow:
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.464861,-72.2787339,3a,75y,43.81h,96.65t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sagy3ZZ7IG1OuSBfpsCaRLw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3Dagy3ZZ7IG1OuSBfpsCaRLw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D3.2805219%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192

froggie

Quote from: SkyPesos on April 04, 2021, 11:53:10 PM
I found this at the northern terminus of the Natchez Trace Pkwy with TN 100. When and why did the ramp from Natchez Trace to TN 100 East close, and traffic to TN 100 East were redirected to McCrocy Ln?

Having a ramp merge where you have left-turning traffic into businesses is not exactly a good idea from a safety and operational perspective.  Those businesses on the north side of 100 east of McCrocy did not exist when the NTP was built.

An analysis of aerial imagery suggests it was closed in 2014 or 2015.



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