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Flint1979

Quote from: mgk920 on December 11, 2024, 11:45:31 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on December 11, 2024, 07:07:36 AM
Quote from: Rothman on December 10, 2024, 02:31:16 PMFuture MI Governor Buttigieg...
That won't happen.

He's not even from Michigan, is he?  He should run for governor in his home state.

Mike
He's from Indiana he'd likely lose there since Indiana is more Republican but yeah it would seem like he'd more in line with the policies of his home state. Mike Duggan is a better candidate but he is going Independent, he's actually from here too (Detroit).


NWI_Irish96

Quote from: Flint1979 on December 11, 2024, 11:52:24 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on December 11, 2024, 11:45:31 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on December 11, 2024, 07:07:36 AM
Quote from: Rothman on December 10, 2024, 02:31:16 PMFuture MI Governor Buttigieg...
That won't happen.

He's not even from Michigan, is he?  He should run for governor in his home state.

Mike
He's from Indiana he'd likely lose there since Indiana is more Republican but yeah it would seem like he'd more in line with the policies of his home state. Mike Duggan is a better candidate but he is going Independent, he's actually from here too (Detroit).

Pete moved to Traverse City, MI, a few years back. His husband's family is there.
Indiana: counties 100%, highways 100%
Illinois: counties 100%, highways 61%
Michigan: counties 100%, highways 56%
Wisconsin: counties 86%, highways 23%

mgk920

Quote from: Rothman on December 11, 2024, 11:47:09 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on December 11, 2024, 11:45:31 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on December 11, 2024, 07:07:36 AM
Quote from: Rothman on December 10, 2024, 02:31:16 PMFuture MI Governor Buttigieg...
That won't happen.

He's not even from Michigan, is he?  He should run for governor in his home state.

Mike

Carpetbagging is a grand, well-established American tradition.

Check out Mitt Romney's political career sometime...

Maybe he should try to 'primary' Kathy Hocul, instead.

Mike

GaryV

Quote from: mgk920 on December 11, 2024, 11:45:31 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on December 11, 2024, 07:07:36 AM
Quote from: Rothman on December 10, 2024, 02:31:16 PMFuture MI Governor Buttigieg...
That won't happen.

He's not even from Michigan, is he?  He should run for governor in his home state.

Mike

A previous governor wasn't even from the United States.

JREwing78

Still waiting for someone to describe the magic formula that unleashes a torrent of perfectly smooth, indestructible pavement that's always snow and ice-free across the entire state of Michigan without any hike in taxes for anyone, ever again. Bonus points if you can detail all the people involved with lighting highway dollars on fire and somehow convict them of their crimes.

I'm constantly reading rants from people who *think* they have a clue about how highway funding works, yet when you press them to show proof of their ideas, they can't come up with the goods.

Nobody wants to pay more for roads. They always want to pawn it off on someone else. They much rather bitch and moan about the resulting moonscape than admit that, maybe, they're just not spending enough money to fix the damn roads.

afguy

MDOT is having a public comment session on proposed improvements to the I-75 corridor between Sqaure Lake Rd in Oakland County and U.S. 23 in Genessee County. Below I have listed the proposed improvements:

  • I-75/M-59 interchange-(Exit 77) Reconfigure interchange
  • I-75/M-24 (Lapeer Road) interchange (Exit 81)-Widen ramps
  • I-75/Joslyn Road
  • interchange (Exit 83)-Reconfigure interchange to DDI
  • I-75/Baldwin Road interchange (Exit 84)-Reconfigure interchange to DDI
  • I-75/Sashabaw Road interchange (Exit 89)-Reconfigure interchange to DDI
  • I-75/M-15 (Ortonville Road) interchange (Exit 91)-Reconfigure interchange to DDI
  • I-75/US-24 (Dixie Highway) interchange (Exit 93)-Reconfigure interchange to DDI/Northbound off ramp improvements
  • I-75 at Dixie Highway/Saginaw Road (Exit 106)-Flip right ramps to left ramps
  • I-75 and Holly Road (Exit 108)-DDI
  • Southbound I-475 to Southbound I-75 (Exit 111)-Flip southbound left side on to right side
  • US-23/Hill Road interchange (Exit 90) Roundabouts at ramp terminals
  • US-23/Grand Blanc Road interchange (Exit 88) Roundabouts at ramp terminals
  • US-23/North Road interchange Roundabouts at ramp terminals
  • US-23/Silver Lake Road interchange Roundabouts at ramp terminals
  • Northbound I-75 between Baldwin Road and Sashabaw Road-Widen from six lanes to eight

Here's a link to the study: https://www.michigan.gov/mdot/-/media/Project/Websites/MDOT/Projects-Studies/Studies/Additional-Studies/I-75-Corridor/I-75-corridor-plan.pdf?rev=00526afb0bfd4eb4acca3d9376e713e5&hash=9C0331EDFCE8F5E886173C1D2393C834

JREwing78

Quote from: afguy on December 15, 2024, 06:17:17 PMMDOT is having a public comment session on proposed improvements to the I-75 corridor between Sqaure Lake Rd in Oakland County and U.S. 23 in Genessee County. Below I have listed the proposed improvements:
The late 1950's/early 1960's design of I-75 in this area is really only obvious at the interchanges. Some of them got modifications later on, while others have had the distinction of bad-but-not-bad-enough-to-change.

The interchange at M-59 would be an easy fix if not for being badly short-spaced to the west and north. Mainly they just need a barrier-separated weave-merge area for the entering/exiting traffic on both highways. However, MDOT didn't build the newer I-75 interchange at University Dr wide enough to pull it off; they would either need to overpass Univeristy Dr (a terrible idea from a cost and safety standpoint) or add new spans to the existing University Dr overpass.

MDOT would be better off pulling the EBD M-59 -> NBD I-75 and WBD M-59 -> SBD I-75 ramps out of the cloverleaf and replacing them with flyover ramps. This at least gives MDOT enough distance for the other two clover ramps to come back up to highway speed before forcing a merge.

At Exit 92 (US-24/Dixie Hwy), MDOT can simply replicate what they did at I-94 and Telegraph Rd - punch a new mainline and overpass in-between the existing I-75 roadways, and convert the interchange to a diverging-diamond or SPUI.

At Exit 106 (Dixie Hwy), this interchange is a masterpiece of bad left-lane merging all around. There's sufficient traffic coming on and off here that we want to preserve this interchange's free-flow nature. I would do the following:

- Realign the SBD I-75 lanes to parallel the existing NBD I-75 lanes, including flying under, then over SBD Dixie Hwy. This allows room for right-hand ramps between SBD I-75 and SBD Dixie Hwy, and vice-versa (likely by braiding them).

- Realign the NBD lanes of Dixie Hwy to parallel the SBD Dixie Hwy lanes. Cul-de-sac the existing NBD Dixie Hwy lanes at each end for the existing homes/busineses. Construct a braided over/underpass for the NBD entrance and exit lanes.

- Leave sufficient median width at each end of Dixie Hwy for a J-turn for the handful of folks trying to navigate NBD->SBD and SBD->NBD.

GaryV

Quote from: afguy on December 15, 2024, 06:17:17 PMproposed improvements to the I-75 corridor between Sqaure Lake Rd in Oakland County and U.S. 23 in Genessee County
They couldn't have bothered to do that during all the reconstruction this past year? Naah, let's make more traffic delays. The public won't care.


wanderer2575

Quote from: GaryV on December 16, 2024, 07:40:22 AM
Quote from: afguy on December 15, 2024, 06:17:17 PMproposed improvements to the I-75 corridor between Sqaure Lake Rd in Oakland County and U.S. 23 in Genessee County
They couldn't have bothered to do that during all the reconstruction this past year? Naah, let's make more traffic delays. The public won't care.

It's a third-party recommendation, not a construction plan.  Other than maybe some roundabouts at ramp termini, none of this will happen anytime soon, if ever.

Flint1979

They need to continue to widen I-75 south of MM 125. It could use an extra lane in each direction between MM 115 and 125. Currently it's six lanes (three in each direction) between MM 115 and 125, eight lanes (four in each direction) from MM 125 to 150 and 155 to 164.

I've even seen people call the eight lane stretch between Flint and Saginaw overkill which it is not it's about perfectly aligned with the traffic volumes through there. Anytime I'm traveling between Flint and Saginaw on I-75 there is plenty of traffic. I usually take Genesee/Dixie/Saginaw though going to Flint.

Overkill might be saved I-75 between St. Ignace and Sault Ste. Marie.

michiganguy123

Quote from: Flint1979 on December 16, 2024, 07:34:42 PMI've even seen people call the eight lane stretch between Flint and Saginaw overkill

It is overkill when US-23 is neglected near Ann-Arbor, stuck at 4 lanes with more traffic than i-75 at 8 lanes

Flint1979

Quote from: michiganguy123 on December 16, 2024, 10:02:52 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on December 16, 2024, 07:34:42 PMI've even seen people call the eight lane stretch between Flint and Saginaw overkill

It is overkill when US-23 is neglected near Ann-Arbor, stuck at 4 lanes with more traffic than i-75 at 8 lanes
I don't think it's overkill at all especially when the SB traffic backs up going down to three lanes. The thing is these two areas are in different regions of MDOT.

Terry Shea

Quote from: Flint1979 on December 16, 2024, 07:34:42 PMThey need to continue to widen I-75 south of MM 125. It could use an extra lane in each direction between MM 115 and 125. Currently it's six lanes (three in each direction) between MM 115 and 125, eight lanes (four in each direction) from MM 125 to 150 and 155 to 164.

I've even seen people call the eight lane stretch between Flint and Saginaw overkill which it is not it's about perfectly aligned with the traffic volumes through there. Anytime I'm traveling between Flint and Saginaw on I-75 there is plenty of traffic. I usually take Genesee/Dixie/Saginaw though going to Flint.

Overkill might be saved I-75 between St. Ignace and Sault Ste. Marie.
Tell these people to drive south on this stretch on a Sunday afternoon/early evening.  They'll quickly change their minds.

Flint1979

Quote from: Terry Shea on December 16, 2024, 10:54:54 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on December 16, 2024, 07:34:42 PMThey need to continue to widen I-75 south of MM 125. It could use an extra lane in each direction between MM 115 and 125. Currently it's six lanes (three in each direction) between MM 115 and 125, eight lanes (four in each direction) from MM 125 to 150 and 155 to 164.

I've even seen people call the eight lane stretch between Flint and Saginaw overkill which it is not it's about perfectly aligned with the traffic volumes through there. Anytime I'm traveling between Flint and Saginaw on I-75 there is plenty of traffic. I usually take Genesee/Dixie/Saginaw though going to Flint.

Overkill might be saved I-75 between St. Ignace and Sault Ste. Marie.
Tell these people to drive south on this stretch on a Sunday afternoon/early evening.  They'll quickly change their minds.
I love that the four lanes are there it sure helps and now that they finally finished the northern end of that stretch between Hess Road and I-675 it is real nice now.

KelleyCook

Quote from: GaryV on December 16, 2024, 07:40:22 AM
Quote from: afguy on December 15, 2024, 06:17:17 PMproposed improvements to the I-75 corridor between Sqaure Lake Rd in Oakland County and U.S. 23 in Genessee County
They couldn't have bothered to do that during all the reconstruction this past year? Naah, let's make more traffic delays. The public won't care.

Incredible, MDOT just spent 2+ years to completely remove and reconstruct the stretch from Dixie to Dixie. Somewhere up above I ranted about not repaving, but not redesigning either of the unsafe left hand entrances during the process.

And now that I-75 is done they suggest we fix them...

wanderer2575

QuoteRestore the Reuther project moves to next phase:
Rebuilding I-696 between Lahser Road and I-75

The last phase of Restore the Reuther project is expected to begin in early March.  Eastbound and westbound I-696 will be rebuilt between Lahser Road and I-75 in 2025-2026.  In 2027, I-696 will have major road work between I-75 and Dequindre Road.  The project includes rebuilding the roadway, bridge work and drainage structures.

As part of the project, 60 bridges will be repaired, including the rebuilding of the Church Street Plaza bridge that contains Victoria Park. During that rebuilding, a walkway detour will be in place.

Westbound traffic will be maintained while eastbound and westbound I-696 are rebuilt between Lahser Road and I-75.  However, eastbound traffic will be detoured via southbound M-10 (Lodge Freeway), eastbound M-8 (Davison Highway), and northbound I-75 back to eastbound I-696.

Information on a public meeting planned for early February is expected to be announced soon.

https://www.michigan.gov/mdot/news-outreach/pressreleases/2025/01/14/restore-the-reuther-project-moves-to-next-phase-rebuilding-i-696-between-lahser-road-and-i-75

Adding to the fun is that I saw an upcoming letting to replace a couple sections of the retaining wall along southbound M-10 around Pembroke Avenue (south of M-102).  I expect that work will close one of the three southbound lanes for a couple months.

Flint1979

I'll just use Waze. I love the shortcuts and routes they give.

wanderer2575

QuoteThe Michigan Department of Transportation (MDOT) invites the community to attend a public meeting Feb. 4 to discuss the upcoming final phase of the Restore the Reuther project on I-696 in Metro Detroit, scheduled to begin in early March.  MDOT staff will be on hand to answer questions and share project details.

When:
Tuesday, Feb. 4, 2025, 5-7 p.m.

Where:
Temple Emanu-El
14450 W. 10 Mile Road
Oak Park, MI 48237

Project information is available at https://drivingoakland.com/I696-East/ (nothing of substance posted yet).

https://www.michigan.gov/mdot/news-outreach/pressreleases/2025/01/22/i-696-project-meeting-feb-4-in-oak-park

Stephane Dumas

Quote from: wanderer2575 on January 23, 2025, 10:35:02 AM
QuoteThe Michigan Department of Transportation (MDOT) invites the community to attend a public meeting Feb. 4 to discuss the upcoming final phase of the Restore the Reuther project on I-696 in Metro Detroit, scheduled to begin in early March.  MDOT staff will be on hand to answer questions and share project details.

When:
Tuesday, Feb. 4, 2025, 5-7 p.m.

Where:
Temple Emanu-El
14450 W. 10 Mile Road
Oak Park, MI 48237

Project information is available at https://drivingoakland.com/I696-East/ (nothing of substance posted yet).

https://www.michigan.gov/mdot/news-outreach/pressreleases/2025/01/22/i-696-project-meeting-feb-4-in-oak-park

A bit off-topic but what'll be the fate of the current Mound Road interchange who was to be for the once proposed M-53 freeway?

wanderer2575

Quote from: Stephane Dumas on January 26, 2025, 09:14:03 AMA bit off-topic but what'll be the fate of the current Mound Road interchange who was to be for the once proposed M-53 freeway?

I haven't seen anything definitive, but I think it likely that nothing will happen to the interchange until the day comes that (a) a boatload of money is needed to maintain its safety, or (b) a developer offers MDOT said boatload to remove it and make the land available.  The ebd --> nbd and wbd --> sbd flyovers were redecked about a decade ago.  Whether the interchange is needed is irrelevant; what matters is that it's there and so it's a matter of what's most cost-effective.

The Ghostbuster

Chris Bessert's Michigan Highways website has been updated for the first time since September 12th of last year: https://www.michiganhighways.org/whats_new.html.

thenetwork

More multi-year headaches are coming this year for those who travel on any of the major freeways in the Western Detroit/Livonia area:

https://m14reconstruction.org/

wanderer2575

Quote from: thenetwork on January 30, 2025, 12:15:14 PMMore multi-year headaches are coming this year for those who travel on any of the major freeways in the Western Detroit/Livonia area:

https://m14reconstruction.org/

I-275 thru traffic should be unscathed.  I-96/M-14 and all eastbound ramps between Newburgh and Sheldon roads -- watch out.  Eastbound M-14 going down to one lane and its ramp to northbound I-275 being closed all season is going to be interesting.

MDOT is hosting a meeting at the Plymouth Township Hall on 02/12 to discuss the project.
https://www.michigan.gov/mdot/news-outreach/pressreleases/2025/01/28/mdot-public-meeting-feb-12-to-discuss-m-14-i-96-project-starting-in-late-february-in-wayne-county

thenetwork

Quote from: wanderer2575 on January 30, 2025, 03:20:22 PM
Quote from: thenetwork on January 30, 2025, 12:15:14 PMMore multi-year headaches are coming this year for those who travel on any of the major freeways in the Western Detroit/Livonia area:

https://m14reconstruction.org/

I-275 thru traffic should be unscathed.  I-96/M-14 and all eastbound ramps between Newburgh and Sheldon roads -- watch out.  Eastbound M-14 going down to one lane and its ramp to northbound I-275 being closed all season is going to be interesting.

MDOT is hosting a meeting at the Plymouth Township Hall on 02/12 to discuss the project.
https://www.michigan.gov/mdot/news-outreach/pressreleases/2025/01/28/mdot-public-meeting-feb-12-to-discuss-m-14-i-96-project-starting-in-late-february-in-wayne-county

I remember way back when the only section of the Jeffries portion of I-96 in Livonia was the short "stub" between I-275 and the Newburgh Road ramps to/from Schoolcraft/Temporary M-2.

But darned if I remember how exactly that stub exit was signed on I-275.

JREwing78

MDOT scraped enough funding together to move forward with grade-separating the railroad crossing just north of Van Horn on M-85 in Trenton.

In theory, there should be enough room to overpass the railroad without having to overpass Van Horn Road, but with only about 500 feet between Van Horn and the railroad it'll require a 6% grade on the northbound side for sufficient vertical height to clear. It'll also require some interesting roadway design to integrate the median crossovers if they're to remain roughly in the same location. Norwood Dr will also be cut off, which isn't the worst problem ever.

Drainage would be the major problem with an underpass. The grades just north of Van Horn would be less severe, but I can forsee an underpass being flooded out ALL THE FREAKING TIME!


Officials announce M-85 rail grade separation funding in Trenton


TRENTON, Mich. - U.S. Rep. Debbie Dingell was joined by officials from the Michigan Infrastructure Office (MIO) and the Michigan Department of Transportation (MDOT) to announce $73.5 million in funding from the Federal Railroad Administration (FRA) to improve the railroad crossing at M-85 (Fort Street) near Van Horn Road in Trenton. MDOT will administer the funds to build a bridge separating the CN Railroad from vehicle traffic. These much-needed infrastructure improvements will enhance the quality of life in the region by decreasing long wait times, reducing carbon emissions and boosting economic activity.

M-85 is a heavily traveled roadway in southern Wayne County that experiences approximately 14 to 16 crossings per day (28,775 in 2024). The existing railroad crossing at M-85 near Van Horn Road is located near a Level 1 trauma center and creates safety concerns by impeding emergency vehicles. Congestion also impedes extensive commercial truck traffic to the nearby Stellantis Trenton Engine Plant and Ford Woodhaven and Flat Rock Assembly Plants. Separating the CN Railroad from traffic will reduce delays for businesses, emergency vehicles and commuters while also cutting carbon emissions from idling vehicles.

The total project cost is estimated at $100 million. In addition to the federal investment, made possible by the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law (BIL), the Make it in Michigan Competitiveness Fund (The Competitiveness Fund) is providing $16.5 million in match grants. MDOT and CN Railroad will invest $5 million each to cover the remaining costs.



https://www.michigan.gov/mdot/news-outreach/pressreleases/2025/01/29/officials-announce-m-85-rail-grade-separation-funding-in-trenton



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