Can states change their borders?
I believe West Virginia and Virginia did in 1997 because of ambiguity. More recently, North Carolina and South Carolina had a tiny realignment.
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Quote from: Angelo71 on May 05, 2021, 12:56:59 PM
Can states change their borders?
Yes but it will be a pain in the ass to do so. Congress
Both states have to agree and congress has to sign off on it.
Look up the Toledo War.
Quote from: kphoger on May 05, 2021, 12:59:01 PM
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Yes, but can borders change their states?
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 05, 2021, 01:51:18 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 05, 2021, 12:59:01 PM
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Yes, but can borders change their states?
Only in Alanland.
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 05, 2021, 01:51:18 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 05, 2021, 12:59:01 PM
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Yes, but can borders change their states?
Yes. OH/VA became OH/WV.
The Texas-Oklahoma border as recently as 2000.
http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/judiciary/hju63863.000/hju63863_0f.htm
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 05, 2021, 01:51:18 PM
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Yes, but can borders change their states?
Yes. See Kentucky Bend, the US 41 twin bridges between Evansville and Henderson, and other places where rivers have changed course.
https://wvmetronews.com/2021/10/21/leaders-in-maryland-counties-explore-swiping-right-on-west-virginia/
Nothing will come of this, of course. This bubbles up every so many years, because the western 3 counties of Maryland are vastly different from the rest of the state. I think this time it is related to redistricting, as Maryland likes to draw really convoluted lines to dilute the votes of groups that disagree with majority.
Quote from: SP Cook on October 21, 2021, 04:06:37 PM
https://wvmetronews.com/2021/10/21/leaders-in-maryland-counties-explore-swiping-right-on-west-virginia/
Nothing will come of this, of course. This bubbles up every so many years, because the western 3 counties of Maryland are vastly different from the rest of the state. I think this time it is related to redistricting, as Maryland likes to draw really convoluted lines to dilute the votes of groups that disagree with majority.
Kind of wondering what this would look like in the roads world. I-68 would be intrastate, I-70 would enter West Virginia twice, and I-81 would enter one less state.
Quote from: SP Cook on October 21, 2021, 04:06:37 PM
https://wvmetronews.com/2021/10/21/leaders-in-maryland-counties-explore-swiping-right-on-west-virginia/
Nothing will come of this, of course. This bubbles up every so many years, because the western 3 counties of Maryland are vastly different from the rest of the state. I think this time it is related to redistricting, as Maryland likes to draw really convoluted lines to dilute the votes of groups that disagree with majority.
Weld County, Colorado like to think about joining Wyoming every once in a while too. Good riddance.
Chris
Quote from: jayhawkco on October 21, 2021, 04:39:02 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on October 21, 2021, 04:06:37 PM
https://wvmetronews.com/2021/10/21/leaders-in-maryland-counties-explore-swiping-right-on-west-virginia/
Nothing will come of this, of course. This bubbles up every so many years, because the western 3 counties of Maryland are vastly different from the rest of the state. I think this time it is related to redistricting, as Maryland likes to draw really convoluted lines to dilute the votes of groups that disagree with majority.
Weld County, Colorado like to think about joining Wyoming every once in a while too. Good riddance.
Chris
And the counties in SW Minnesota float the idea of joining South Dakota once in a while, though this time their governor has encouraged those people to pack up and move across the border.
A few Oregon counties voted in a non-binding referendum last year to join Idaho. If Idaho wants to take on the burden of subsidizing nowhereland, it's on them, but it will take a lot more convincing to reach the group's goal of an Idaho Coast.
(https://media.spokesman.com/photos/2020/02/18/Greater-Idaho-map-19p4.jpg)
Quote from: SP Cook on October 21, 2021, 04:06:37 PM
https://wvmetronews.com/2021/10/21/leaders-in-maryland-counties-explore-swiping-right-on-west-virginia/
Nothing will come of this, of course. This bubbles up every so many years, because the western 3 counties of Maryland are vastly different from the rest of the state. I think this time it is related to redistricting, as Maryland likes to draw really convoluted lines to dilute the votes of groups that disagree with majority.
Maybe they could swap the eastern panhandle of WV for the western panhandle of MD. After all, Berkeley Springs, Martinsburg, and Charles Town are closer to Annapolis than they are Charleston.
Quote from: hbelkins on October 21, 2021, 09:02:07 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on October 21, 2021, 04:06:37 PM
https://wvmetronews.com/2021/10/21/leaders-in-maryland-counties-explore-swiping-right-on-west-virginia/
Nothing will come of this, of course. This bubbles up every so many years, because the western 3 counties of Maryland are vastly different from the rest of the state. I think this time it is related to redistricting, as Maryland likes to draw really convoluted lines to dilute the votes of groups that disagree with majority.
Maybe they could swap the eastern panhandle of WV for the western panhandle of MD. After all, Berkeley Springs, Martinsburg, and Charles Town are closer to Annapolis than they are Charleston.
I'm not entirely sure what you're suggesting, but if it's "draw a line due north from Virginia's northernmost point until you hit Pennsylvania and put both sides in their respective states", that could work quite well.
Quote from: 1 on October 21, 2021, 09:07:13 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 21, 2021, 09:02:07 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on October 21, 2021, 04:06:37 PM
https://wvmetronews.com/2021/10/21/leaders-in-maryland-counties-explore-swiping-right-on-west-virginia/
Nothing will come of this, of course. This bubbles up every so many years, because the western 3 counties of Maryland are vastly different from the rest of the state. I think this time it is related to redistricting, as Maryland likes to draw really convoluted lines to dilute the votes of groups that disagree with majority.
Maybe they could swap the eastern panhandle of WV for the western panhandle of MD. After all, Berkeley Springs, Martinsburg, and Charles Town are closer to Annapolis than they are Charleston.
I'm not entirely sure what you're suggesting, but if it's "draw a line due north from Virginia's northernmost point until you hit Pennsylvania and put both sides in their respective states", that could work quite well.
That would effectively be a swap of the panhandles, and certainly the northernmost tip of Virginia would be the only logical place to start, so I would presume that is correct.
Quote from: jayhawkco on October 21, 2021, 04:39:02 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on October 21, 2021, 04:06:37 PM
https://wvmetronews.com/2021/10/21/leaders-in-maryland-counties-explore-swiping-right-on-west-virginia/
Nothing will come of this, of course. This bubbles up every so many years, because the western 3 counties of Maryland are vastly different from the rest of the state. I think this time it is related to redistricting, as Maryland likes to draw really convoluted lines to dilute the votes of groups that disagree with majority.
Weld County, Colorado like to think about joining Wyoming every once in a while too. Good riddance.
Chris
Then we would no longer have two states with the same shape.
Slightly different, but anyone remember this change.org poll that went viral 2 years ago to sell Montana to Canada?
(https://i.imgur.com/QJbdqQd.png)
Quote from: jayhawkco on October 21, 2021, 04:39:02 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on October 21, 2021, 04:06:37 PM
https://wvmetronews.com/2021/10/21/leaders-in-maryland-counties-explore-swiping-right-on-west-virginia/
Nothing will come of this, of course. This bubbles up every so many years, because the western 3 counties of Maryland are vastly different from the rest of the state. I think this time it is related to redistricting, as Maryland likes to draw really convoluted lines to dilute the votes of groups that disagree with majority.
Weld County, Colorado like to think about joining Wyoming every once in a while too. Good riddance.
Chris
Off I go. Might as well take Larimer and Jackson counties with me.
Quote from: jlam on October 22, 2021, 11:06:17 AM
Quote from: jayhawkco on October 21, 2021, 04:39:02 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on October 21, 2021, 04:06:37 PM
https://wvmetronews.com/2021/10/21/leaders-in-maryland-counties-explore-swiping-right-on-west-virginia/
Nothing will come of this, of course. This bubbles up every so many years, because the western 3 counties of Maryland are vastly different from the rest of the state. I think this time it is related to redistricting, as Maryland likes to draw really convoluted lines to dilute the votes of groups that disagree with majority.
Weld County, Colorado like to think about joining Wyoming every once in a while too. Good riddance.
Chris
Off I go. Might as well take Larimer and Jackson counties with me.
Larimer has no interest in going anywhere I'm sure. All 7 people in Jackson might want to come with. :)
Chris
How about the big border changes between Georgia and South Carolina due to the shifting of main channel of the Savannah River. I recall that the resurvey was conducted sometime around 1999 or 2000.
Quote from: SkyPesos on October 22, 2021, 10:52:35 AM
Slightly different, but anyone remember this change.org poll that went viral 2 years ago to sell Montana to Canada?
(https://i.imgur.com/QJbdqQd.png)
No.
United States of Canada/Jesusland was much more widespread.
Quote from: Rothman on October 22, 2021, 12:59:14 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on October 22, 2021, 10:52:35 AM
Slightly different, but anyone remember this change.org poll that went viral 2 years ago to sell Montana to Canada?
(https://i.imgur.com/QJbdqQd.png)
No.
United States of Canada/Jesusland was much more widespread.
Sell Illinois to Canada. All that flat land must be worth something.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 22, 2021, 01:06:23 PM
Quote from: Rothman on October 22, 2021, 12:59:14 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on October 22, 2021, 10:52:35 AM
Slightly different, but anyone remember this change.org poll that went viral 2 years ago to sell Montana to Canada?
(https://i.imgur.com/QJbdqQd.png)
No.
United States of Canada/Jesusland was much more widespread.
Sell Illinois to Canada. All that flat land must be worth something.
You, sir, win the Internet for the day.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 22, 2021, 01:06:23 PM
Quote from: Rothman on October 22, 2021, 12:59:14 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on October 22, 2021, 10:52:35 AM
Slightly different, but anyone remember this change.org poll that went viral 2 years ago to sell Montana to Canada?
(https://i.imgur.com/QJbdqQd.png)
No.
United States of Canada/Jesusland was much more widespread.
Sell Illinois to Canada. All that flat land must be worth something.
Only if Canada takes Lord Carhorn as part of the deal.
Quote from: dlsterner on October 22, 2021, 07:12:27 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 22, 2021, 01:06:23 PM
Quote from: Rothman on October 22, 2021, 12:59:14 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on October 22, 2021, 10:52:35 AM
Slightly different, but anyone remember this change.org poll that went viral 2 years ago to sell Montana to Canada?
(https://i.imgur.com/QJbdqQd.png)
No.
United States of Canada/Jesusland was much more widespread.
Sell Illinois to Canada. All that flat land must be worth something.
Only if Canada takes Lord Carhorn as part of the deal.
There is a nation on this planet that can afford Lord Carhorn? I would have thought he would the cost the entire production of the Spice Melange (I never though that reference would be relevant again).
Dear Mr. President, there are too many states nowadays. Please eliminate three. I am not a crackpot!
Quote from: jayhawkco on October 21, 2021, 04:39:02 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on October 21, 2021, 04:06:37 PM
https://wvmetronews.com/2021/10/21/leaders-in-maryland-counties-explore-swiping-right-on-west-virginia/
Nothing will come of this, of course. This bubbles up every so many years, because the western 3 counties of Maryland are vastly different from the rest of the state. I think this time it is related to redistricting, as Maryland likes to draw really convoluted lines to dilute the votes of groups that disagree with majority.
Weld County, Colorado like to think about joining Wyoming every once in a while too. Good riddance.
Chris
second that.
Not to get political, but I sense some blue states see what the red states are cooking and plan some shenanigans of their own. Hochul in NY has stated as such.
Quote from: Road Hog on October 23, 2021, 05:03:28 AM
Not to get political, but I sense some blue states see what the red states are cooking and plan some shenanigans of their own. Hochul in NY has stated as such.
What, exactly?
Quote from: Rothman on October 23, 2021, 10:39:13 AM
Quote from: Road Hog on October 23, 2021, 05:03:28 AM
Not to get political, but I sense some blue states see what the red states are cooking and plan some shenanigans of their own. Hochul in NY has stated as such.
What, exactly?
The best BBQ is in red states so New York is planning to create their own form of BBQ.
Quote from: The Nature Boy on October 23, 2021, 11:29:24 AM
Quote from: Rothman on October 23, 2021, 10:39:13 AM
Quote from: Road Hog on October 23, 2021, 05:03:28 AM
Not to get political, but I sense some blue states see what the red states are cooking and plan some shenanigans of their own. Hochul in NY has stated as such.
What, exactly?
The best BBQ is in red states so New York is planning to create their own form of BBQ.
See Dinosaur BBQ...which is way overhyped.
Quote from: Rothman on October 23, 2021, 11:38:40 AM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on October 23, 2021, 11:29:24 AM
Quote from: Rothman on October 23, 2021, 10:39:13 AM
Quote from: Road Hog on October 23, 2021, 05:03:28 AM
Not to get political, but I sense some blue states see what the red states are cooking and plan some shenanigans of their own. Hochul in NY has stated as such.
What, exactly?
The best BBQ is in red states so New York is planning to create their own form of BBQ.
See Dinosaur BBQ...which is way overhyped.
And Dallas BBQ.
On the other hand, I loved both Brother Jimmy's and Virgil's.
Quote from: Rothman on October 23, 2021, 10:39:13 AM
Quote from: Road Hog on October 23, 2021, 05:03:28 AM
Not to get political, but I sense some blue states see what the red states are cooking and plan some shenanigans of their own. Hochul in NY has stated as such.
What, exactly?
There are ads on TV urging voters to reject some of the propositions on this year's ballot. I imagine he's referring to those.
Quote from: vdeane on October 23, 2021, 10:34:34 PM
Quote from: Rothman on October 23, 2021, 10:39:13 AM
Quote from: Road Hog on October 23, 2021, 05:03:28 AM
Not to get political, but I sense some blue states see what the red states are cooking and plan some shenanigans of their own. Hochul in NY has stated as such.
What, exactly?
There are ads on TV urging voters to reject some of the propositions on this year's ballot. I imagine he's referring to those.
Regarding NY's borders?
Quote from: Rothman on October 23, 2021, 11:08:38 PM
Quote from: vdeane on October 23, 2021, 10:34:34 PM
Quote from: Rothman on October 23, 2021, 10:39:13 AM
Quote from: Road Hog on October 23, 2021, 05:03:28 AM
Not to get political, but I sense some blue states see what the red states are cooking and plan some shenanigans of their own. Hochul in NY has stated as such.
What, exactly?
There are ads on TV urging voters to reject some of the propositions on this year's ballot. I imagine he's referring to those.
Regarding NY's borders?
I do not believe he was referring to state borders.
Quote from: vdeane on October 23, 2021, 11:14:46 PM
Quote from: Rothman on October 23, 2021, 11:08:38 PM
Quote from: vdeane on October 23, 2021, 10:34:34 PM
Quote from: Rothman on October 23, 2021, 10:39:13 AM
Quote from: Road Hog on October 23, 2021, 05:03:28 AM
Not to get political, but I sense some blue states see what the red states are cooking and plan some shenanigans of their own. Hochul in NY has stated as such.
What, exactly?
There are ads on TV urging voters to reject some of the propositions on this year's ballot. I imagine he's referring to those.
Regarding NY's borders?
I do not believe he was referring to state borders.
So...he showed up to post a non sequitur.
Quote from: Rothman on October 23, 2021, 11:17:28 PM
Quote from: vdeane on October 23, 2021, 11:14:46 PM
Quote from: Rothman on October 23, 2021, 11:08:38 PM
Quote from: vdeane on October 23, 2021, 10:34:34 PM
Quote from: Rothman on October 23, 2021, 10:39:13 AM
Quote from: Road Hog on October 23, 2021, 05:03:28 AM
Not to get political, but I sense some blue states see what the red states are cooking and plan some shenanigans of their own. Hochul in NY has stated as such.
What, exactly?
There are ads on TV urging voters to reject some of the propositions on this year's ballot. I imagine he's referring to those.
Regarding NY's borders?
I do not believe he was referring to state borders.
So...he showed up to post a non sequitur.
Not quite. Note the initial quote in the string in the post he replied to (bolded for emphasis):
Quote from: zachary_amaryllis on October 23, 2021, 03:32:10 AM
Quote from: jayhawkco on October 21, 2021, 04:39:02 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on October 21, 2021, 04:06:37 PM
https://wvmetronews.com/2021/10/21/leaders-in-maryland-counties-explore-swiping-right-on-west-virginia/
Nothing will come of this, of course. This bubbles up every so many years, because the western 3 counties of Maryland are vastly different from the rest of the state. I think this time it is related to redistricting, as Maryland likes to draw really convoluted lines to dilute the votes of groups that disagree with majority.
Weld County, Colorado like to think about joining Wyoming every once in a while too. Good riddance.
Chris
second that.
Quote from: zachary_amaryllis on October 23, 2021, 03:32:10 AM
Quote from: jayhawkco on October 21, 2021, 04:39:02 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on October 21, 2021, 04:06:37 PM
https://wvmetronews.com/2021/10/21/leaders-in-maryland-counties-explore-swiping-right-on-west-virginia/
Nothing will come of this, of course. This bubbles up every so many years, because the western 3 counties of Maryland are vastly different from the rest of the state. I think this time it is related to redistricting, as Maryland likes to draw really convoluted lines to dilute the votes of groups that disagree with majority.
Weld County, Colorado like to think about joining Wyoming every once in a while too. Good riddance.
Chris
second that.
As long as you're OK with losing all that tax revenue from Weld County's oil production. Not to mention, it's agricultural production. It can be resonably argued that Weld is, on a natural resource basis, one of the nation's wealthiest counties.
Then again, CO is not the only state where large numbers of its residents are in cultural conflict with one of its revenue generators. Lea and Eddy counties in New Mexico are, arguably, it's most conservative counties. Those two counties also produce upwards of 1 million barrels of oil per day. The contempt those two counties have for Santa Fe getting and spending that tax revenue is...quite palpable.
Quote from: brad2971 on October 24, 2021, 12:18:20 AM
Quote from: zachary_amaryllis on October 23, 2021, 03:32:10 AM
Quote from: jayhawkco on October 21, 2021, 04:39:02 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on October 21, 2021, 04:06:37 PM
https://wvmetronews.com/2021/10/21/leaders-in-maryland-counties-explore-swiping-right-on-west-virginia/
Nothing will come of this, of course. This bubbles up every so many years, because the western 3 counties of Maryland are vastly different from the rest of the state. I think this time it is related to redistricting, as Maryland likes to draw really convoluted lines to dilute the votes of groups that disagree with majority.
Weld County, Colorado like to think about joining Wyoming every once in a while too. Good riddance.
Chris
second that.
As long as you're OK with losing all that tax revenue from Weld County's oil production. Not to mention, it's agricultural production. It can be resonably argued that Weld is, on a natural resource basis, one of the nation's wealthiest counties.
Then again, CO is not the only state where large numbers of its residents are in cultural conflict with one of its revenue generators. Lea and Eddy counties in New Mexico are, arguably, it's most conservative counties. Those two counties also produce upwards of 1 million barrels of oil per day. The contempt those two counties have for Santa Fe getting and spending that tax revenue is...quite palpable.
Sounds like Kentucky taking coal severance tax funds, intended to be reinvested in counties where coal is mined, and using them for a renovation of Rupp Arena in Lexington.
Quote from: Bruce on October 21, 2021, 06:53:17 PM
A few Oregon counties voted in a non-binding referendum last year to join Idaho. If Idaho wants to take on the burden of subsidizing nowhereland, it's on them, but it will take a lot more convincing to reach the group's goal of an Idaho Coast.
(https://media.spokesman.com/photos/2020/02/18/Greater-Idaho-map-19p4.jpg)
That's interesting and it includes the Jefferson region of Southern Oregon and Northern California.
Those two areas always appear in the Jefferson debates.
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on October 22, 2021, 08:17:57 PM
Dear Mr. President, there are too many states nowadays. Please eliminate three. I am not a crackpot!
:-D
Ah, classic Abe Simpson!
Quote from: Bruce on October 21, 2021, 06:53:17 PM
A few Oregon counties voted in a non-binding referendum last year to join Idaho. If Idaho wants to take on the burden of subsidizing nowhereland, it's on them, but it will take a lot more convincing to reach the group's goal of an Idaho Coast.
(https://media.spokesman.com/photos/2020/02/18/Greater-Idaho-map-19p4.jpg)
No deal unless we can force some of these mostly empty states to merge at the same time. One Dakota to rule them all!