I know North Carolina has some insane ones, like 5 route numbers all following the same roadway, but which one has the most?
Probably I-465 around Indianapolis, since Indiana removed everything non-Interstate inside of it and put everything continuing beyond Indy to go around on 465.
There are three stretches of 7 routes on I-465 (I-69 will eventually replace IN 37).
About the best you'll get in California is the largely silently concurrent CA 99-59-140 briefly in Merced.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 17, 2022, 03:52:06 AM
About the best you'll get in California is the largely silently concurrent CA 99-59-140 briefly in Merced.
Up until Business 80 in Sacramento was truncated to the Oak Park Interchange, the WX Freeway carried Business 80, Route 99, and US 50 (and is that hidden I-305 designation as well).
While it's well established that I-465 has the most, the rotary in Augusta, ME has US 201, US 202, ME 8, ME 11, ME 17, ME 27, and ME 100. 11 and 201 bounce off each other, but since it's a rotary, you're going to need to make a 3/4 turn if it's a left turn, so arguably all seven can count. ME 8 begins here instead of continuing on both sides, but it should still count.
As for a different kind of insane, RI 114 with itself.
While the most is definitely I-465; I-39/90/94, I-25/US-87, and I-41/US-41 also deserve mentions.
There's that mess in Folkston, GA, too...
The George Washington Bridge on the New Jersey side carries I-95, US 1, US 9, and US 46. There's also I-84, US 6, US 7, and US 202 in Danbury, Connecticut.
Quote from: Rothman on June 17, 2022, 07:16:46 AM
There's that mess in Folkston, GA, too...
For those who haven't been to Folkston, here's an example:
(https://www.teresco.org/pics/signs/20040601/us1us23us301ga4ga15ga23ga121.jpg)
Taken back in 2004, but I think it all remains. Maybe it should get bonus points for having a Georgia 23 and US 23 sharing the road. I guess it's just that all roads in the area lead to the Quick Chic (as they should).
(https://www.teresco.org/pics/florida-20180814-22/16/IMG_2711-800.jpg)
Quote from: 1 on June 17, 2022, 05:56:34 AM
While it's well established that I-465 has the most
Not quite. I-465 maxes out between exits 46 and 47 with eight (I-465, US 31, US 36, US 40, US 52, US 421, SR 37, and SR 67). The Athens Perimeter in Georgia between exits 4 and 8 also has that many (SR 10 Loop, US 29, US 78, US 129, US 441, SR 8, SR 15, and SR 422).
Once I-69 is complete in Indiana, presumably 465 will take the undisputed top spot. Weirdly, although I-74 and US 421 are concurrent with each other on either side of Indianapolis, they apparently go opposite directions on 465.
Georgia is insane partly because like most southern states, their US highways all are concurrent with a state route, and unlike other southern states, that state route is usually signed. That one in Folkston probably wins for most signed concurrent routes.
Quote from: 1 on June 17, 2022, 05:56:34 AM
As for a different kind of insane, RI 114 with itself.
Just as a reminder, the case of RI-114 is possibly disputed. As far as I know, nobody here has actually compared the pertinent documents.
The short story is that Pawtucket's route log and RIDOT's route log reportedly have different routings for RI-114.
See below.
Quote from: PHLBOS on May 08, 2019, 04:35:57 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 06, 2019, 03:15:16 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on May 01, 2019, 09:31:06 AM
Quote from: 1 on May 02, 2018, 05:41:21 AMRI 114 with itself
:confused: Whereabouts is this one?
↓ See below ↓
Quote from: kphoger on January 12, 2018, 02:38:16 PM
Google Maps doesn't show it and signage is severely lacking, which is probably why. RI-114 has a crazily circuitous route through town, such that both directions of travel officially use the same short one-way segment of Broadway (https://goo.gl/maps/3YfJrcijc8k).
If that short stretch is actually part of RI 114 for either direction; I'd be very surprised.
Looking at Google Maps (granted, such could be incorrect); one would think that RI 114 northbound after crossing under I-95 would follow School St. to Broadway (left) to Main St. where it crosses the Blackstone River and turn right onto High St.
RI 114 southbound runs along the one-way portion of Main St. north of High St. (114 northbound) and continues along the two-way portion across the Blackstone River and turns right at the next intersection (School St.(?)) and crosses under I-95.
Note: RI 114 has a short concurrency w/RI 15 between School St. and Goff Ave.
Unless it was once an old routing and based on the above-description; how in the world would RI 114 be on Broadway northeast of School St.?
Additionally, I have to believe that this trailblazer assembly w/RI 15 and NORTH 114 signage along Underwood St. (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.878858,-71.3780465,3a,75y,13.88h,71.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1so2OZB6LdLmUo7aRM6Jxkjw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) is erroneous. One can't even make a right turn onto Exchange St.; where the erroneous trailblazer sign indicates that such is RI 15 eastbound.
Quote from: kphoger on October 01, 2019, 02:32:35 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 09, 2019, 01:31:50 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on May 08, 2019, 06:22:02 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 08, 2019, 05:06:37 PM
I mapped that stretch based on the official routing of RI-114.
Forgive me for being skeptical; but is there an actual document source or official map that shows that oddball routing? No offense to anyone here, I'm not talking about blogs or hobby-enthusiast's sites (like this one) which was what I got via a Google search; but an actual, official site. I even tried RIDOT but I couldn't even find a decent map on their website that actually shows how RI 114 (& even RI 15) is routed through Pawtucket.
Note: the Wiki account only shows someone's Google Map trip routings circa 2011-2012.
What's currently shown on Google Maps, correct or not, appears to be the most logical & direct routing of RI 114 through Pawtucket.
Doggone it, I can't for the life of me find the document I used to trace the route back when I made that original post.
I keep coming back to this...
While I cannot seem to confirm the following assertion, I think it's worth mentioning here.
Quote from: Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Rhode Island/Comparison of sources for numbered routes in Rhode Island
Rhode Island is in a fairly unique situation in the United States in that the different sections of the Rhode Island Department of Transportation (RIDOT) sometimes disagree about what roads are numbered State Highways. The differing sources include signage on the roads themselves (which is often sporadic or nonexistent), GIS data supplied to RIGIS from RIDOT, maps on RIDOT's website, and RIDOT's pavement management division.
...
RIDOT's Pavement Management division produces a log for internal use in helping workers travel the numbered highways to assess pavement quality. The following observations are from a 2001 copy of the log. The "RINO" field of the "1:5,000 Roads" GIS data layer is largely equivalent to these descriptions, and as a whole these are the closest match to actual signage. When those two are compared, the pavement log agrees with signage in the majority or cases where the two sources disagree.
...
At least two cities, Pawtucket and Woonsocket, keep logs of their own.
Pawtucket
Pawtucket's data agrees with RIDOT's except in two cases. ... A similar configuration exists with Route 114, where Pawtucket gives it a straighter route.
So it appears the official RIDOT routing would be found in the Pavement Log, while the city of Pawtucket's own log disagrees. Someone would need to obtain a copy of those two items in order to confirm or deny.
How many of these are signed (such as the Folkston example)? I don't think all the routes on I-465 are. A mega sign salad is more interesting to me than the legal or practical definitions.
Well here in Texas there's I 10/US 69/US 96/US 287 in Beaumont. And for about a mile it's Interstate 10/Us 90/Us 69/Us 96/us 287
San Antonio has stretches of interstate 10/Interstate 35/Us 87
And interstate 410/Us 281/Sh 130/ SH 16
Quote from: achilles765 on June 17, 2022, 10:32:20 AM
Some more Tex-4-plex examples:
Wichita Falls: I-44 / US-277 / US-281 / US-287
Baylor County: US-82 / US-183 / US-277 / US-283
Quote from: US 89 on June 17, 2022, 09:01:08 AM
Quote from: 1 on June 17, 2022, 05:56:34 AM
While it's well established that I-465 has the most
Not quite. I-465 maxes out between exits 46 and 47 with eight (I-465, US 31, US 36, US 40, US 52, US 421, SR 37, and SR 67). The Athens Perimeter in Georgia between exits 4 and 8 also has that many (SR 10 Loop, US 29, US 78, US 129, US 441, SR 8, SR 15, and SR 422).
Once I-69 is complete in Indiana, presumably 465 will take the undisputed top spot. Weirdly, although I-74 and US 421 are concurrent with each other on either side of Indianapolis, they apparently go opposite directions on 465.
IN 37 is planned to get decommissioned between Bloomington and Fishers, so the I-465 concurrency will stay at 8 routes.
I-74 and US 421 go in different directions west of Indy; they don't meet up again.
One way to hunt and to see the extent of these many-way concurrencies is to go into TM's Mapview:
https://travelmapping.net/user/mapview.php
Choose "Color by Concurrencies" from the first dropdown menu at the top, then probably "Highlight All" from the second and scroll around all you like.
Tip: if you zoom out too much, it will take a long time to load (there's a lot of stuff being pulled from the DB and a lot of things being plotted on the map in that case). Instead, uncheck "Always Update Visible Routes", pan and scroll to a more zoomed-in area, and then check it again to load the data for that part of the world.
Of course, TM will only count concurrencies of roads in TM data. If there's also a county route or something like that concurrent, it wouldn't show up. But it does show the 9 for I-465 (note that TM includes Future I-69), and the examples of 7's mentioned above in Folkston and around Athens.
Edit: changed above to mention the 9 on the east side of I-465.
Quote from: 1 on June 17, 2022, 05:56:34 AM
While it's well established that I-465 has the most, the rotary in Augusta, ME has US 201, US 202, ME 8, ME 11, ME 17, ME 27, and ME 100. 11 and 201 bounce off each other, but since it's a rotary, you're going to need to make a 3/4 turn if it's a left turn, so arguably all seven can count. ME 8 begins here instead of continuing on both sides, but it should still count.
I just was there in October, and I've driven the I-465 portion, so I've officially clinched this thread.
TM does not include a GA 422, as it is apparently unsigned, so it shows 7, not 8, on that Athens stretch.
Prior to around 2012, Delphi, IN was home to a concurrency of US 421 and SR 18, 39, and a wrongway concurrency with SR 25, for about 10 blocks. SR 25 being Main Street.
I-80/90 and I-39/90/94 are a couple of more notable crazy concurrencies.
Depending on your definition of "insane," I think the I-41/US 41 and I-74/US 74 concurrencies are not quite normal.
Also I-73 and I-74 since both are so far off the grid.
Quote from: Jim on June 17, 2022, 03:59:11 PM
TM does not include a GA 422, as it is apparently unsigned, so it shows 7, not 8, on that Athens stretch.
Just because it's unsigned doesn't mean it doesn't exist...
It's a completely pointless route though. Most of the 4xx routes in Georgia exist to give interstates an internal state route designation which they would not otherwise have. 422 is entirely an unsigned internal designation for SR 10 Loop, which obviously already has a state route number. I think the advantage of a 4xx route is that their mileages don't have to reset at county lines, which is obviously a plus for a short beltway that spans two counties.
Quote from: hbelkins on June 17, 2022, 07:56:05 PM
Depending on your definition of "insane," I think the I-41/US 41 and I-74/US 74 concurrencies are not quite normal.
Also I-73 and I-74 since both are so far off the grid.
If we're using another definition of "insane" , US 60/70 pre-interstates could qualify too.
Quote from: US 89 on June 18, 2022, 01:00:16 AM
Quote from: Jim on June 17, 2022, 03:59:11 PM
TM does not include a GA 422, as it is apparently unsigned, so it shows 7, not 8, on that Athens stretch.
Just because it's unsigned doesn't mean it doesn't exist...
It's a completely pointless route though. Most of the 4xx routes in Georgia exist to give interstates an internal state route designation which they would not otherwise have. 422 is entirely an unsigned internal designation for SR 10 Loop, which obviously already has a state route number. I think the advantage of a 4xx route is that their mileages don't have to reset at county lines, which is obviously a plus for a short beltway that spans two counties.
SR 10 Loop never had resetting mileage even before the SR 422 designation. However its mileposting has changed several times, originally the 0 was at the at-grade intersection with Old Hull Road in the northeast corner, increasing counterclockwise from there until 10 Loop's interchange with itself (there were no exit numbers at this time), the mileposts were changed in 1999 when exit numbers were first added, and again in 2004 when they were revised to increase counterclockwise instead of clockwise.
Warrenton, VA has (or had, I think it's been re-jiggered) a bunch running with US-17 at one time. It was like 15,17,29 and I think something else.
Quote from: zachary_amaryllis on June 18, 2022, 10:33:21 AM
Warrenton, VA has (or had, I think it's been re-jiggered) a bunch running with US-17 at one time. It was like 15,17,29 and I think something else.
Until the freeway bypass east of Warrenton was opened around 1987, there was a segment of the original western bypass with a 4-route concurrency: US 15, US 17, US 29 and US 211.
If sheer numbers are the definition of "insane" here, I haven't yet been able to come up with a segment of roadway in Kentucky with more than five concurrent routes -- US 23, US 119, US 460, KY 80, and KY 1426 for a short segment in Pikeville.
Best I can do for West Virginia is four -- US 33, US 48, US 250, and WV 92 west of Elkins, and US 219, US 250, WV 55, and WV 92 south of Elkins. There's also US 33, US 219, US 250, and WV 92 through downtown.
Quote from: wanderer2575 on June 17, 2022, 10:27:24 AM
How many of these are signed (such as the Folkston example)? I don't think all the routes on I-465 are. A mega sign salad is more interesting to me than the legal or practical definitions.
Although 10 Loop in Georgia has some unsigned routes on its 8-route concurrency, there are signs with all four US route shields on them so it would still count as 5 routes (US 29-78-129-441 on BGS, SR 10 Loop on an independent shield) if ignoring the unsigned.
Plus there's definitely "sign salad" on the intersecting roads rather than 10 Loop itself
Quote from: TheStranger on June 17, 2022, 04:04:52 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 17, 2022, 03:52:06 AM
About the best you'll get in California is the largely silently concurrent CA 99-59-140 briefly in Merced.
Up until Business 80 in Sacramento was truncated to the Oak Park Interchange, the WX Freeway carried Business 80, Route 99, and US 50 (and is that hidden I-305 designation as well).
Currently Business 80 is concurrent with CA-51.
Minnesota has a fully signed US/county freeway duplex with US 52 and CSAH 12 in Olmsted County (the US 169/Hennepin CSAH 1 freeway duplex, however, is not signed)
Insane concurrency in Greensboro, North Carolina. May 21, 2005.
(https://www.teresco.org/pics/signs/20050521/i40busi85us29us70us220us421.jpg)
Sadly, we're not also going East at this point.
Quote from: Jim on June 20, 2022, 09:15:05 PM
Insane concurrency in Greensboro, North Carolina. May 21, 2005.
(https://www.teresco.org/pics/signs/20050521/i40busi85us29us70us220us421.jpg)
Sadly, we're not also going East at this point.
This multiplex is being dismantled. US 421 is no longer on this multiplex. US 70 has been approved to be removed from this multiplex. Business I 85 is in the queue to be decommissioned.
Quote from: dfilpus on June 21, 2022, 08:32:48 AM
Quote from: Jim on June 20, 2022, 09:15:05 PM
Insane concurrency in Greensboro, North Carolina. May 21, 2005.
(https://www.teresco.org/pics/signs/20050521/i40busi85us29us70us220us421.jpg)
Sadly, we're not also going East at this point.
This multiplex is being dismantled. US 421 is no longer on this multiplex. US 70 has been approved to be removed from this multiplex. Business I 85 is in the queue to be decommissioned.
Most of that is news to me. What's happening to 70? If they're just rerouting it to the south on 85 and then sending it up old US 421, that doesn't make much sense to me as that's longer than its current route. As for decommissioning BL-85, is the idea to keep all through traffic bypassed to the south, and then sign the stretch that isn't on I-40 as just US 29?
I-77/I-81/US 11/US 52 is one crazy concurrency, because for each direction, an Interstate and a US route go the opposite way. Not to mention that the whole thing runs east-west for 9 miles!
Maybe not the most insane, but definitely weird. In Florence, KY, US-25 joins US-42 and US-127 (which are multiplexed for about 20 miles south of Florence, KY). The triple multiplex then proceeds north through Covington, KY, and onto the Clay Wade Bailey Bridge into downtown Cincinnati. At the north end of the bridge, where the state line is, US-25 disappears because Ohio de-commissioned it years ago.
I wonder why KY did not just truncate 25 where it meets 42/127.
I feel the Milwaukee bypass deserves a mention. You've got Interstates 41, 43, and 894 alongside US 41.
It's certainly unique in that 41 and 43 are opposite directions, AND Interstate 41 is signed with US 41.
For Wisconsin, a 5-way concurrency by Waupaca, which includes a county highway: https://goo.gl/maps/jMALjKqfR9Q8JCyj9
Quote from: OCGuy81 on June 21, 2022, 04:48:12 PM
I feel the Milwaukee bypass deserves a mention. You've got Interstates 41, 43, and 894 alongside US 41.
It's certainly unique in that 41 and 43 are opposite directions, AND Interstate 41 is signed with US 41.
To add to that, I-894 is concurrent with I-41 for its entire length, which includes this section.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on June 20, 2022, 07:47:17 PM
Minnesota has a fully signed US/county freeway duplex with US 52 and CSAH 12 in Olmsted County (the US 169/Hennepin CSAH 1 freeway duplex, however, is not signed)
If we're going unsigned, there's I-94/US-12/US-52/MN-55 in downtown Minneapolis 🤣
Quote from: DJ Particle on June 21, 2022, 11:40:32 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on June 20, 2022, 07:47:17 PM
Minnesota has a fully signed US/county freeway duplex with US 52 and CSAH 12 in Olmsted County (the US 169/Hennepin CSAH 1 freeway duplex, however, is not signed)
If we're going unsigned, there's I-94/US-12/US-52/MN-55 in downtown Minneapolis 🤣
And I-94/
US 52/US 59/MN 210, but since a signed triplex isn't that cool unless it's all-interstates or other weird stuff, I didn't include it.
In Windsor, CTH-CV runs east/west along WI-19 then turns at an interchange to run north/south along US-51 before splitting off just south of I-39/90/94.
Quote from: SkyPesos on June 18, 2022, 03:02:21 AM
If we're using another definition of "insane" , US 60/70 pre-interstates could qualify too.
West to east, that concurrency was 4 highways between Wickenburg and downtown Phoenix (US 60/70/89/AZ 93), picking up US 80 downtown. It was a 5-way (US 60/70/80/89/AZ 93) between downtown Phoenix and downtown Mesa, where 93 joined AZ 87 heading south.
Between downtown Mesa and Florence Jct, the four US highways were concurrent (there are a few "Historic" signs along E. Main St. in east Mesa showing the four). US 60/70 continued to Globe, where they split, and US 80/89 continued to Tucson, where they split.
Quote from: US 89 on June 21, 2022, 09:12:50 AM
Quote from: dfilpus on June 21, 2022, 08:32:48 AM
Quote from: Jim on June 20, 2022, 09:15:05 PM
Insane concurrency in Greensboro, North Carolina. May 21, 2005.
(https://www.teresco.org/pics/signs/20050521/i40busi85us29us70us220us421.jpg)
Sadly, we're not also going East at this point.
This multiplex is being dismantled. US 421 is no longer on this multiplex. US 70 has been approved to be removed from this multiplex. Business I 85 is in the queue to be decommissioned.
Most of that is news to me. What's happening to 70? If they're just rerouting it to the south on 85 and then sending it up old US 421, that doesn't make much sense to me as that's longer than its current route. As for decommissioning BL-85, is the idea to keep all through traffic bypassed to the south, and then sign the stretch that isn't on I-40 as just US 29?
US 70 is being rerouted at High Point to follow NC 68 then Wendover Ave across northern Greensboro.
Michigan doesn't really have a ton of concurrencies. Most of the time a route will just terminate instead of running on a concurrency but they do exist. I can't think of any off the top of my head that have three routes on one roadway but there's several that have two usually the concurrencies aren't very long either. I think I-75 and US 23 between Standish and Flint at 73 miles might be the longest one in the state.
Quote from: TEG24601 on June 17, 2022, 05:08:46 PM
Prior to around 2012, Delphi, IN was home to a concurrency of US 421 and SR 18, 39, and a wrongway concurrency with SR 25, for about 10 blocks. SR 25 being Main Street.
I-80/90 and I-39/90/94 are a couple of more notable crazy concurrencies.
A crazy concurrency does not necessarily mean a long concurrency. 80/90 makes sense as does the 39/90/94 in the big picture of things.
Quote from: Hobart on June 21, 2022, 07:27:28 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on June 21, 2022, 04:48:12 PM
I feel the Milwaukee bypass deserves a mention. You've got Interstates 41, 43, and 894 alongside US 41.
It's certainly unique in that 41 and 43 are opposite directions, AND Interstate 41 is signed with US 41.
To add to that, I-894 is concurrent with I-41 for its entire length, which includes this section.
That's because they didn't want the I-39/90/94 concurrency to be the only interstate triplex in the country
Quote from: Flint1979 on June 22, 2022, 08:15:30 PM
Michigan doesn't really have a ton of concurrencies. Most of the time a route will just terminate instead of running on a concurrency but they do exist. I can't think of any off the top of my head that have three routes on one roadway but there's several that have two usually the concurrencies aren't very long either. I think I-75 and US 23 between Standish and Flint at 73 miles might be the longest one in the state.
Michigan has five extant three-way concurrencies: US 2/US 141/M-95 in Iron Mountain, US 2/US 41/M-35 between Escanaba and Gladstone, US 31/M-37/M-72 in Traverse City, US 131/M-66/M-72 in Kalkaska and BL I-94/Bus. US 127/M-50 in Jackson. The BL I-94/Bus. US 131/M-43 concurrency in Kalamazoo was the most recent one eliminated.
Mentioned before by someone else* here on AARoads long ago, but the US-119 overlap onto US-33 between Spencer and Buckhannon, West Virginia has got to be the wackiest looking concurrency on the map. This is essentially the same routing as when US-119 was extended southward from Morgantown in 1935 (except the portion replaced by Corridor H between I-79 and Buckhannon, which is only a minor change). The West Virginia State Road Commission wasn't interested in extending US-119 southward, but that may have not had anything to do with this wacky concurrency.
Anyhow, this east-west concurrency is approximately 85 miles long and crosses several other north-south routes along the way, including its parent (US-19). But it all makes more sense when you do the mileage. Charleston -to- Buckhannon via the "old road" (US-119/WV-4/US-19/WV-4/WV-20, essentially the same route as the old cross-state WV-4) is about 135 miles of winding roads. Charleston -to- Buckhannon via the current US-119 is only a few miles longer over slightly tougher terrain, but much less windy.
For the record, nowadays the best route from Charleston -to- Buckhannon via I-79 and Corridor H is only about 114 miles and takes about 94 minutes. You can theoretically cut off a minute by getting off at Flatwoods and taking the "old road" to Buckhannon, but I wouldn't bother. Unless you want to visit the State Wildlife Center in French Creek.
*I seem to recall that hbelkins made such a comment, but I'm not sure.
There's also the silent four-way concurrency in Knoxville, Tennessee:
Quote from: Mapmikey on August 08, 2020, 03:15:01 PM
Resurrecting the thread because I found one (albeit not fully signed):
This is in eastern Knoxville TN - https://goo.gl/maps/cj9wGmvQSussrjeo6
You are on US 11E south, US 25W north, US 70 west, and unsigned TN 9 north. The sign says TN 168 west is to the left.
TN 168 east is also (unsigned) straight ahead.
TN 168 was extended over US 11E-70 when US 25W was moved to I-40 and 640. Though not necessary, TN 9 was also moved with it. Thus there was no state designation on US 11E-70 west of I-40. They put TN 168 on it. Maps show this (https://vintageaerial.com/scanned_maps/TN-Knox-85-01) and there is a TN 168 mile posting at the US 11E-11W split - https://goo.gl/maps/whkXNQMejqRuBz4U9
So while not posted, it does exist on a 0.9 mile stretch of highway in Tennessee.
I-41's concurrency with I-94 south of Milwaukee. I-41. has. no. reason. to. continue. south. of. Milwaukee. Illinois is never going to buy it. It's stupid. Drop it, WisDOT.
Quote from: paulthemapguy on June 24, 2022, 09:35:14 AM
I-41's concurrency with I-94 south of Milwaukee. I-41. has. no. reason. to. continue. south. of. Milwaukee. Illinois is never going to buy it. It's stupid. Drop it, WisDOT.
I tend to agree with that assessment, as I-41 will never be extended all the way to Chicago (at least not in our lifetimes anyway). If WisDOT really was hellbent on getting rid of I-894, it could've just ended I-41 at the point where it meets I-43, and called it a day.
Quote from: Henry on June 24, 2022, 10:57:03 AM
Quote from: paulthemapguy on June 24, 2022, 09:35:14 AM
I-41's concurrency with I-94 south of Milwaukee. I-41. has. no. reason. to. continue. south. of. Milwaukee. Illinois is never going to buy it. It's stupid. Drop it, WisDOT.
I tend to agree with that assessment, as I-41 will never be extended all the way to Chicago (at least not in our lifetimes anyway). If WisDOT really was hellbent on getting rid of I-894, it could've just ended I-41 at the point where it meets I-43, and called it a day.
Technically, Illinois did allow it to come into the state. 1/2 mile or so but still is IN Illinois. :) But I agree with the point.
Quote from: formulanone on June 24, 2022, 08:46:14 AM
There's also the silent four-way concurrency in Knoxville, Tennessee:
Quote from: Mapmikey on August 08, 2020, 03:15:01 PM
Resurrecting the thread because I found one (albeit not fully signed):
This is in eastern Knoxville TN - https://goo.gl/maps/cj9wGmvQSussrjeo6
You are on US 11E south, US 25W north, US 70 west, and unsigned TN 9 north. The sign says TN 168 west is to the left.
TN 168 east is also (unsigned) straight ahead.
TN 168 was extended over US 11E-70 when US 25W was moved to I-40 and 640. Though not necessary, TN 9 was also moved with it. Thus there was no state designation on US 11E-70 west of I-40. They put TN 168 on it. Maps show this (https://vintageaerial.com/scanned_maps/TN-Knox-85-01) and there is a TN 168 mile posting at the US 11E-11W split - https://goo.gl/maps/whkXNQMejqRuBz4U9
So while not posted, it does exist on a 0.9 mile stretch of highway in Tennessee.
I'm glad you remembered that post. In my opinion, it was the most earth-shattering discovery on this site, yet it went almost completely unnoticed.
Quote from: hobsini2 on June 24, 2022, 02:58:56 PM
Quote from: Henry on June 24, 2022, 10:57:03 AM
Quote from: paulthemapguy on June 24, 2022, 09:35:14 AM
I-41's concurrency with I-94 south of Milwaukee. I-41. has. no. reason. to. continue. south. of. Milwaukee. Illinois is never going to buy it. It's stupid. Drop it, WisDOT.
I tend to agree with that assessment, as I-41 will never be extended all the way to Chicago (at least not in our lifetimes anyway). If WisDOT really was hellbent on getting rid of I-894, it could've just ended I-41 at the point where it meets I-43, and called it a day.
Technically, Illinois did allow it to come into the state. 1/2 mile or so but still is IN Illinois. :) But I agree with the point.
Sort of true. Coming southbound, you're greeted with an END 41 interstate shield right at the border. But, northbound is indeed marked as 41 from the merge with US-41 northward, which may be more than 1/2 mile. There's even the only I-41 cutout shield you may ever see mounted there on the IL side of the border.
Quote from: kphoger on June 24, 2022, 03:30:35 PM
Quote from: formulanone on June 24, 2022, 08:46:14 AM
There's also the silent four-way concurrency in Knoxville, Tennessee:
Quote from: Mapmikey on August 08, 2020, 03:15:01 PM
Resurrecting the thread because I found one (albeit not fully signed):
This is in eastern Knoxville TN - https://goo.gl/maps/cj9wGmvQSussrjeo6
You are on US 11E south, US 25W north, US 70 west, and unsigned TN 9 north. The sign says TN 168 west is to the left.
TN 168 east is also (unsigned) straight ahead.
TN 168 was extended over US 11E-70 when US 25W was moved to I-40 and 640. Though not necessary, TN 9 was also moved with it. Thus there was no state designation on US 11E-70 west of I-40. They put TN 168 on it. Maps show this (https://vintageaerial.com/scanned_maps/TN-Knox-85-01) and there is a TN 168 mile posting at the US 11E-11W split - https://goo.gl/maps/whkXNQMejqRuBz4U9
So while not posted, it does exist on a 0.9 mile stretch of highway in Tennessee.
I'm glad you remembered that post. In my opinion, it was the most earth-shattering discovery on this site, yet it went almost completely unnoticed.
I decided to draw it, because I usually need a visual aid for stuff like this:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/2069_24_06_22_5_45_19.jpeg)
Quote from: hobsini2 on June 23, 2022, 02:01:36 PM
Quote from: TEG24601 on June 17, 2022, 05:08:46 PM
Prior to around 2012, Delphi, IN was home to a concurrency of US 421 and SR 18, 39, and a wrongway concurrency with SR 25, for about 10 blocks. SR 25 being Main Street.
I-80/90 and I-39/90/94 are a couple of more notable crazy concurrencies.
A crazy concurrency does not necessarily mean a long concurrency. 80/90 makes sense as does the 39/90/94 in the big picture of things.
They could have just ended western I-90 at Chicago and eastern I-90 at Cleveland, like other numbers that are used for separate routes
The craziest is in Perrysburg, Ohio, where:
NB I-75, SB US 23 and East Truck US 20
SB I-75, NB US 23 and West Truck US 20
are concurrent
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5436103,-83.6097278,3a,75y,52.02h,84.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sz2ZFJxDiM_dbReLL3Ly7Ww!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Quote from: kphoger on June 24, 2022, 03:30:35 PM
Quote from: formulanone on June 24, 2022, 08:46:14 AM
There's also the silent four-way concurrency in Knoxville, Tennessee:
Quote from: Mapmikey on August 08, 2020, 03:15:01 PM
Resurrecting the thread because I found one (albeit not fully signed):
This is in eastern Knoxville TN - https://goo.gl/maps/cj9wGmvQSussrjeo6
You are on US 11E south, US 25W north, US 70 west, and unsigned TN 9 north. The sign says TN 168 west is to the left.
TN 168 east is also (unsigned) straight ahead.
TN 168 was extended over US 11E-70 when US 25W was moved to I-40 and 640. Though not necessary, TN 9 was also moved with it. Thus there was no state designation on US 11E-70 west of I-40. They put TN 168 on it. Maps show this (https://vintageaerial.com/scanned_maps/TN-Knox-85-01) and there is a TN 168 mile posting at the US 11E-11W split - https://goo.gl/maps/whkXNQMejqRuBz4U9
So while not posted, it does exist on a 0.9 mile stretch of highway in Tennessee.
I'm glad you remembered that post. In my opinion, it was the most earth-shattering discovery on this site, yet it went almost completely unnoticed.
Oh, I remember that post! The four-way concurrency has been sought after since (it seems) roadgeeking began :)
I think I suggested back then that someone (at their own risk, not my risk LOL) should make a replica sign of the unposted concurrency and ninja-install it in the middle of the night. Take a photo and post it here for all of eternity.
Quote from: StogieGuy7 on June 24, 2022, 04:03:09 PM
Sort of true. Coming southbound, you're greeted with an END 41 interstate shield right at the border. But, northbound is indeed marked as 41 from the merge with US-41 northward, which may be more than 1/2 mile. There's even the only I-41 cutout shield you may ever see mounted there on the IL side of the border.
That's why my I-41 photo is the cutout on Russell Road; I really don't like unisigns. Even though this cutout shield will go away if I-41 gets truncated to Milwaukee, that's still the wiser option imo. Either truncate it to the Zoo Interchange and have I-894 continue south, or truncate it to the Mitchell Interchange at I-94/43.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/4366/36736073411_9a6d0ec0d2_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XYeYL4)
144 I-41 (https://flic.kr/p/XYeYL4) by Paul Drives (https://www.flickr.com/photos/138603251@N02/), on Flickr
Quote from: Dirt Roads on June 24, 2022, 08:29:33 AM
Mentioned before by someone else* here on AARoads long ago, but the US-119 overlap onto US-33 between Spencer and Buckhannon, West Virginia has got to be the wackiest looking concurrency on the map. This is essentially the same routing as when US-119 was extended southward from Morgantown in 1935 (except the portion replaced by Corridor H between I-79 and Buckhannon, which is only a minor change). The West Virginia State Road Commission wasn't interested in extending US-119 southward, but that may have not had anything to do with this wacky concurrency.
Anyhow, this east-west concurrency is approximately 85 miles long and crosses several other north-south routes along the way, including its parent (US-19). But it all makes more sense when you do the mileage. Charleston -to- Buckhannon via the "old road" (US-119/WV-4/US-19/WV-4/WV-20, essentially the same route as the old cross-state WV-4) is about 135 miles of winding roads. Charleston -to- Buckhannon via the current US-119 is only a few miles longer over slightly tougher terrain, but much less windy.
For the record, nowadays the best route from Charleston -to- Buckhannon via I-79 and Corridor H is only about 114 miles and takes about 94 minutes. You can theoretically cut off a minute by getting off at Flatwoods and taking the "old road" to Buckhannon, but I wouldn't bother. Unless you want to visit the State Wildlife Center in French Creek.
*I seem to recall that hbelkins made such a comment, but I'm not sure.
Note that WVDOH actually requested and was approved to move US 119 to use all of today's WV 4 plus WV 20 to Buckhannon.
From the US 119 entry (http://www.vahighways.com/wvannex/route-log/us119.htm) at the West Virginia Hwy Annex:
Quote
On June 13, 1945 WVDOH requested that US 119 ALT be assigned from Clendenin to Weston using WV 4 and US 19.
AASHO replied June 27, 1945 indicating wouldn't it be better to move US 119 to the US 119 ALT route and downgrade US 119 from Clendenin to Spencer to a state highway?
On July 5, 1945 WVDOH agreed to reroute US 119 as AASHO had requested. Then AASHO cancelled the 1945 Committee meeting.
In September 1946 AASHO realized this US 119 rerouting was still out there and contacted WVDOH. in the AASHO letter they confused which route was supposed to be US 119 ALT, but did still say rerouting US 119 was still viable.
WVDOH replied in a September 27, 1946 letter that they would like to change the US 119 reroute a little by having it follow WV 4 to WV 20 then north to Buckannon.
On January 4, 1947 AASHO appears to have approved this change.
On March 1, 1947 AASHO notified mapmakers of this change in US 119.
In December 1951, AASHO notified WVDOH that the US 119 reroute away from Spencer was never implemented on the WV State map, nor did General Draft and Rand McNally have it moved.
WVDOH replied in April 1952 that West Virginia never changed the US 119 postings and to just leave US 119 the way it was.
On April 12, 1955 WVDOH officially requested US 119 go back to its original route via Spencer.
Quote from: formulanone on June 24, 2022, 05:46:31 PM
Quote from: kphoger on June 24, 2022, 03:30:35 PM
Quote from: formulanone on June 24, 2022, 08:46:14 AM
There's also the silent four-way concurrency in Knoxville, Tennessee:
Quote from: Mapmikey on August 08, 2020, 03:15:01 PM
Resurrecting the thread because I found one (albeit not fully signed):
This is in eastern Knoxville TN - https://goo.gl/maps/cj9wGmvQSussrjeo6
You are on US 11E south, US 25W north, US 70 west, and unsigned TN 9 north. The sign says TN 168 west is to the left.
TN 168 east is also (unsigned) straight ahead.
TN 168 was extended over US 11E-70 when US 25W was moved to I-40 and 640. Though not necessary, TN 9 was also moved with it. Thus there was no state designation on US 11E-70 west of I-40. They put TN 168 on it. Maps show this (https://vintageaerial.com/scanned_maps/TN-Knox-85-01) and there is a TN 168 mile posting at the US 11E-11W split - https://goo.gl/maps/whkXNQMejqRuBz4U9
So while not posted, it does exist on a 0.9 mile stretch of highway in Tennessee.
I'm glad you remembered that post. In my opinion, it was the most earth-shattering discovery on this site, yet it went almost completely unnoticed.
I decided to draw it, because I usually need a visual aid for stuff like this:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/2069_24_06_22_5_45_19.jpeg)
Thank you for doing this map and thanks to Mapmikey and the previous posters for finding this. Wow! I agree this is a road geek holy grail to find the one place where you can go on all four directions at one time.
I-84/US 6/ US 7/US 202 in Danbury, CT.
Quote from: andy3175 on June 27, 2022, 09:41:49 PM
Quote from: formulanone on June 24, 2022, 05:46:31 PM
Quote from: kphoger on June 24, 2022, 03:30:35 PM
Quote from: formulanone on June 24, 2022, 08:46:14 AM
There's also the silent four-way concurrency in Knoxville, Tennessee:
Quote from: Mapmikey on August 08, 2020, 03:15:01 PM
Resurrecting the thread because I found one (albeit not fully signed):
This is in eastern Knoxville TN - https://goo.gl/maps/cj9wGmvQSussrjeo6
You are on US 11E south, US 25W north, US 70 west, and unsigned TN 9 north. The sign says TN 168 west is to the left.
TN 168 east is also (unsigned) straight ahead.
TN 168 was extended over US 11E-70 when US 25W was moved to I-40 and 640. Though not necessary, TN 9 was also moved with it. Thus there was no state designation on US 11E-70 west of I-40. They put TN 168 on it. Maps show this (https://vintageaerial.com/scanned_maps/TN-Knox-85-01) and there is a TN 168 mile posting at the US 11E-11W split - https://goo.gl/maps/whkXNQMejqRuBz4U9
So while not posted, it does exist on a 0.9 mile stretch of highway in Tennessee.
I'm glad you remembered that post. In my opinion, it was the most earth-shattering discovery on this site, yet it went almost completely unnoticed.
I decided to draw it, because I usually need a visual aid for stuff like this:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/2069_24_06_22_5_45_19.jpeg)
Thank you for doing this map and thanks to Mapmikey and the previous posters for finding this. Wow! I agree this is a road geek holy grail to find the one place where you can go on all four directions at one time.
What does the official Tennessee state map for Knox County show here? Does it show 168, or another hidden state route?
Knox County map shows 168 doing what the map drawn above shows:
https://vintageaerial.com/scanned_maps/TN-Knox-85-01
It was an unnecessary result. They didn't have to move TN 9 onto I-640 with US 25W but they did.
Also GMSV shows a 168 mile marker - https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0012645,-83.874386,3a,37.5y,87.28h,88.18t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sf3nWBlGxEmcrpanSJApfiA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?shorturl=1
Just looked at the Knox County map and the Knoxville city map...both shows 168 doing exactly what the hand-drawn map is showing...there is also the unsigned SR 9 as well
Here's the weirdest concurrency in the country.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/189/489087526_d5fbce747e.jpg)
I win the thread.
Quote from: bugo on July 02, 2022, 07:34:31 AM
Here's the weirdest concurrency in the country.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/189/489087526_d5fbce747e.jpg)
I win the thread.
OK, this might be weirder than the all-directions concurrency.
Interesting. A newer photo showing the meat-cleaver version has been making the rounds on Facebook today.
This concurrency, of course, runs along the Oklahoma-Arkansas line, though it does swerve fully into each state toward the north end. The OK-AR-MO tripoint marker is just to the west of the road, for instance.
The first assurance shield northbound currently shows OK-20 alone, although it looks like southbound OK-20/AR-43 is shown.
At one point it was signed OK-20/MO-43 going northbound, which was never actually correct, since the concurrent stretch of highway doesn't actually enter Missouri. (Once it reaches MO, both OK-20 and AR-43 ends and the road becomes solely MO-43.)