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Title: Stub ramps
Post by: iBallasticwolf2 on May 24, 2015, 10:50:51 AM
Anyone know some interesting stub ramps?

Here are some I know

I-395 Center Leg freeway-https://www.google.ca/maps/@38.898581,-77.01407,3a,75y,39.7h,85.22t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sbYXqH0ywQEyHl0mA5_n3mA!2e0

Infamous I-695 stub-https://www.google.ca/maps/@38.876885,-76.985664,3a,75y,63.08h,84.32t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sY5if6UGQtQf0W0Gyv71GyQ!2e0

I-70 stub ramp-https://www.google.ca/maps/@39.270971,-76.645152,3a,21.4y,291.44h,93.93t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sRUFPWWJFEG2gFRFW_xgRVA!2e0

I-695 stub that is pretty large-https://www.google.ca/maps/@39.31907,-76.487873,3a,75y,33.57h,75.31t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sumXkLdJU-uBA1V8Wyl1FQg!2e0

PA-63 stub-https://www.google.ca/maps/@40.111212,-75.000525,3a,62.5y,320.65h,89.82t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sLQ72N2G8OY3ksXc5rnHrDw!2e0


Anyone know any other stubs?
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: SignGeek101 on May 24, 2015, 11:46:00 AM
The MTQ is pretty bad about this. They were from cancelled extensions of highways.

A40 at A40/A73/A573. I believe A40 was supposed to be extended west here, but was instead made part of a concurrency with A73 south.

http://goo.gl/maps/F8uju

http://goo.gl/maps/OkxOB

Further West: A40 at A55. A40 was supposed to be extended east here, but again, was instead made part of a concurrency with A55 south and then sent east to Quebec city.

http://goo.gl/maps/XMMKh

http://goo.gl/maps/qqjvn
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: froggie on May 24, 2015, 01:33:46 PM
QuoteI-395 Center Leg freeway

Not so much a "stub ramp" as it is extra pavement width that was never used, and will actually be removed as part of a current air-rights development project.

QuoteInfamous I-695 stub

This was I-295, not I-695.  And is gone now.

As for the subject, there have been threads (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=152.0) on this (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=14196.0) in the past, including recently (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=15271.0).

Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: Bruce on May 24, 2015, 05:27:09 PM
The R.H. Thomson Expressway ghost ramps in Seattle are fairly famous. WSDOT started demolition of them last October, sadly.

https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6440542,-122.2966256,384m/data=!3m1!1e3
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: Charles2 on May 24, 2015, 08:05:54 PM
There is a never-used ramp from the Red Mountain Expressway (US 31 S/US 280 E) to EB 1st Avenue North (US 11 N) in downtown Birmingham that dates back to the early 70's. 
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: roadman65 on May 26, 2015, 01:39:00 AM
One is left over in Delaware from SB US 13 to NB I-295 and EB US 40.

One was left in Indy for the never built I-69 into both I-70 and I-65.

Two of them lie along I-78 near Shartelsville, PA for rest areas that never got built.





Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: national highway 1 on May 26, 2015, 03:57:09 AM
Here is a stub ramp on Hong Kong's Route 5, the West Kowloon Corridor, which was partially demolished and never rebulit after the construction on Fu Cheong Estate.
https://goo.gl/yM6JzB (https://goo.gl/yM6JzB)
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: iBallasticwolf2 on June 02, 2015, 04:05:10 PM
https://www.google.ca/maps/@42.381817,-87.825656,3a,75y,4.16h,93.21t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sew4YXcYRCfP-i-WJosoyVQ!2e0

Quite the stub of the Amstutz Expressway (IL-137).
Not sure what the stub was for.
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: pianocello on June 02, 2015, 08:18:42 PM
Quote from: iBallasticwolf2 on June 02, 2015, 04:05:10 PM
Quite the stub of the Amstutz Expressway (IL-137).
Not sure what the stub was for.

The Amstutz was meant to go further north, but I'm not sure how far or if there were any big-picture plans for it.

Likewise in Illinois, my favorites include the north end of IL-6 north of Peoria and the stub ramps near Decatur for an interchange between I-72 and a US-51 freeway that never happened.  (link) (https://www.google.ca/maps/@39.9067843,-88.9830183,1859m/data=!3m1!1e3)
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: froggie on June 02, 2015, 11:08:25 PM
QuoteThe Amstutz was meant to go further north, but I'm not sure how far or if there were any big-picture plans for it.

All the way to Milwaukee, to what is now WI 794/I-794.
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: noelbotevera on June 02, 2015, 11:56:49 PM
US 219 north of Ebensburgh https://www.google.com/maps/@40.553056,-78.71947,3a,75y,102.56h,89.49t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sJ6ccRJp-W10NxuIwpzenew!2e0!6m1!1e1
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: iBallasticwolf2 on June 03, 2015, 08:47:42 AM
Quote from: noelbotevera on June 02, 2015, 11:56:49 PM
US 219 north of Ebensburgh https://www.google.com/maps/@40.553056,-78.71947,3a,75y,102.56h,89.49t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sJ6ccRJp-W10NxuIwpzenew!2e0!6m1!1e1

That is a pretty large stub!
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: SteveG1988 on June 03, 2015, 09:22:52 AM
TN 840 on the west side of Nashville.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Franklin,+TN/@36.0217392,-87.2662578,1428m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x886378e0e0f94935:0xf7addba980fa8da1!6m1!1e1
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: thenetwork on June 03, 2015, 07:07:58 PM
This is the northeast end of the Norwalk (OH) bypass. 

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Norwalk,+OH/@41.2481038,-82.5741857,571m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x883a12e5240c76c9:0x6278f31e62fad3ac

This would have brought US-250 from just south of Norwalk to just south of Milan.  Had it ever come to fruition, the bypass (currently used as-is by US-20 and OH-18)  probably would have had OH-61 rerouted along the bypass as well, while OH-13 would have probably remained running thru town as-is, and would remain duplexed with US-250 on either side of the bypass.

It's a shame that it never got completed, at least extended to OH-61 on the east side, although you could still technically bypass downtown north-south by using the Bypass to US-20 East to OH-601 North in Milan to get back to US-250/OH-13.  The majority of the proposed route still looks like forest and farmland, so technically it is still possible to build it without knocking down too many houses.
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: Mr_Northside on June 03, 2015, 11:02:02 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on June 02, 2015, 11:56:49 PM
US 219 north of Ebensburgh https://www.google.com/maps/@40.553056,-78.71947,3a,75y,102.56h,89.49t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sJ6ccRJp-W10NxuIwpzenew!2e0!6m1!1e1

The ramps aren't really stubs... they connect the active 219 freeway with the older roadway.
I suppose this would belong in a "Stub mainline" thread.
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: noelbotevera on June 04, 2015, 04:45:56 PM
Quote from: Mr_Northside on June 03, 2015, 11:02:02 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on June 02, 2015, 11:56:49 PM
US 219 north of Ebensburgh https://www.google.com/maps/@40.553056,-78.71947,3a,75y,102.56h,89.49t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sJ6ccRJp-W10NxuIwpzenew!2e0!6m1!1e1

The ramps aren't really stubs... they connect the active 219 freeway with the older roadway.
I suppose this would belong in a "Stub mainline" thread.
What you're facing is the paved roadway (mainline) facing north, I didn't mean the ramps.
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: peterj920 on June 05, 2015, 04:01:15 AM
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.598269,-84.13906,3a,75y,356.52h,81.51t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s1ectjPUpPMz-sJo0T0bGjA!2e0

M47 at US 10 in Michigan, no idea where the extension was supposed to go

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.961615,-87.964319,3a,75y,359.68h,60.95t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sRJPgbgVWOWuqokbbKVChFg!2e0

I-894 at where the unbuilt Stadium Freeway extension was supposed to end, it was a full directional T, but only one ramp remains

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.22176,-88.157506,3a,75y,144.41h,69.02t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s3cRyiQQkf5Y4q-LRAyhSCA!2e0

Interstate 41, where the unbuilt Belt Freeway was supposed to begin, no ramps but an extra wide bridge where the ramps were supposed to go

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.500917,-88.317297,3a,75y,173.48h,85.32t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sWNW42aZLOq58cZikl-Ml-w!2e0

US 12 at the Wisconsin/Illinois border

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.696574,-88.540163,3a,75y,340.16h,89.36t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sZ2l8EtrcjmHcp9m1QwoLAA!2e0

US 12 at WIS 67, an extension that was never built

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.208208,-89.01244,3a,75y,99.89h,95.96t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sK6WcjxOrC5adtX6XmUEq-g!2e0

US 20 at I-39
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: thenetwork on June 05, 2015, 11:13:02 AM
Quote from: peterj920 on June 05, 2015, 04:01:15 AM
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.598269,-84.13906,3a,75y,356.52h,81.51t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s1ectjPUpPMz-sJo0T0bGjA!2e0

M47 at US 10 in Michigan, no idea where the extension was supposed to go


Interesting that if you click on the map view, the ramp to the right does not exist.
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: dfilpus on June 05, 2015, 11:57:45 AM
Quote from: peterj920 on June 05, 2015, 04:01:15 AM
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.598269,-84.13906,3a,75y,356.52h,81.51t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s1ectjPUpPMz-sJo0T0bGjA!2e0

M47 at US 10 in Michigan, no idea where the extension was supposed to go

Chris Bessett has a lengthy explanation on his M-47 page http://michiganhighways.org/listings/M-047.html
M47 was supposed to continue north to I-75 at the M-33 interchange, but the continuation was never built. Google maps has the half cloverleaf incorrectly mapped.
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: TEG24601 on June 05, 2015, 11:59:52 AM
I-5 at I-405 in Portland on the East End of the Fremont Bridge, was supposed to be the Presscott Freeway, as well as the East Side of the Marquam Bridge where I-84 was supposed to be instead of the Banfield Freeway.
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: Roadsguy on June 06, 2015, 02:27:12 PM
Quote from: thenetwork on June 05, 2015, 11:13:02 AM
Quote from: peterj920 on June 05, 2015, 04:01:15 AM
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.598269,-84.13906,3a,75y,356.52h,81.51t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s1ectjPUpPMz-sJo0T0bGjA!2e0

M47 at US 10 in Michigan, no idea where the extension was supposed to go


Interesting that if you click on the map view, the ramp to the right does not exist.

Apparently (http://www.mlive.com/news/bay-city/index.ssf/2014/06/huge_project_of_demolition_rec.html) last year they replaced that ramp to make it a trumpet and get rid of the weaving, but the satellite view hasn't updated.
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: cpzilliacus on June 07, 2015, 08:53:52 AM
Quote from: noelbotevera on June 02, 2015, 11:56:49 PM
US 219 north of Ebensburgh https://www.google.com/maps/@40.553056,-78.71947,3a,75y,102.56h,89.49t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sJ6ccRJp-W10NxuIwpzenew!2e0!6m1!1e1

This is pretty standard for PennDOT - just have the high-speed road end where the money runs-out, with unspecified future plans to extend the limited-access highway beyond the stub?
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: noelbotevera on June 07, 2015, 01:03:25 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on June 07, 2015, 08:53:52 AM
Quote from: noelbotevera on June 02, 2015, 11:56:49 PM
US 219 north of Ebensburgh https://www.google.com/maps/@40.553056,-78.71947,3a,75y,102.56h,89.49t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sJ6ccRJp-W10NxuIwpzenew!2e0!6m1!1e1

This is pretty standard for PennDOT - just have the high-speed road end where the money runs-out, with unspecified future plans to extend the limited-access highway beyond the stub?
The Google Maps SV shows July 2009, and there is overgrowth on the stub. PennDOT certainly has enough money to extend the freeway, but there is no future plans to do so.
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: Mr_Northside on June 07, 2015, 01:47:43 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on June 07, 2015, 01:03:25 PM
The Google Maps SV shows July 2009, and there is overgrowth on the stub. PennDOT certainly has enough money to extend the freeway, but there is no future plans to do so.

Huh?  Did they plant some of those magical trees that money grows on?  I'm pretty sure they currently don't have enough money.
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: noelbotevera on June 07, 2015, 01:51:51 PM
Quote from: Mr_Northside on June 07, 2015, 01:47:43 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on June 07, 2015, 01:03:25 PM
The Google Maps SV shows July 2009, and there is overgrowth on the stub. PennDOT certainly has enough money to extend the freeway, but there is no future plans to do so.

Huh?  Did they plant some of those magical trees that money grows on?  I'm pretty sure they currently don't have enough money.
The magical trees are Act 44. That's why I said they had enough money to extend the freeway, due to Act 44.
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: Mr_Northside on June 07, 2015, 02:01:14 PM
Act 44? 
Yeah, I guess they could build US-219 with all the money they're getting from those I-80 tolls.....
Oh, wait....

Even with the money that the more recent Act 89 brings in, it's mostly being used just to try and keep up what we have.
Sticking with US-219 as an example, PennDOT still isn't sure how it's gonna pay for the upgrades between Meyersdale and Maryland. 
There were plans to extend the freeway north of Ebensburg, they were deferred/cancelled because PennDOT certainly DOES NOT have enough money.
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: vdeane on June 07, 2015, 03:34:43 PM
Just because I-80 isn't tolled doesn't mean the PTC is exempt from the payments.  They're still on the hook.  That's why the tolls are sky high on the Turnpike and go up every year.  PennDOT uses the money to subsidize transit.
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: roadman65 on June 07, 2015, 03:37:34 PM
You think now that they could give the I-80 and I-476 interchange high speed ramps now they have you paying big on the Extension. At least give them something good out of it.  It may not be much, but at least its something.
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: froggie on June 08, 2015, 09:23:00 AM
QuotePennDOT uses the money to subsidize transit.

PennDOT uses the money for far more than just subsidizing transit.  There have been scores of repaving and bridge projects the money has been used on.

If you're going to play the "subsidizing game", one could argue that, quite simply, PTC is subsidizing PennDOT...
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: SkyPesos on April 02, 2021, 01:24:53 PM
Was going to make a new thread for nationwide and worldwide examples after seeing a new ramp stubs thread specific to Washington state, but after seeing that 4 have already been made in the past, decided to bump the most recent of the 4, which is this one.

Some Cincinnati examples

I-74 E to Central Pkwy (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1510673,-84.5398405,239m/data=!3m1!1e3)
- This ramp originally carried US 27/US 52 to Central Pkwy (US 127), which the two US routes use to go to downtown. It was removed as part of the I-75 modernization project, so US 27/52 share a concurrency with I-75 until Hopple (exit 3), where it uses that road to get to Central Pkwy.

Spring Grove Ave to I-75 S loop ramp (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1540591,-84.5432823,397a,35y,356.38h/data=!3m1!1e3)
- Like the above example, this was closed as part of the I-75 modernization project.

OH 126 at US 22 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2232801,-84.3564467,437a,35y,356.38h/data=!3m1!1e3)
- This stub was part of the former proposal to extend the Reagan Hwy across Indian Hills to meet I-275 on the east, which got cancelled due to opposition. It has been removed as part of the roundabout project between OH 126 and US 22.

I-275 just south of the US 50/OH 450 interchange (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1439297,-84.2672763,1633a,35y,356.38h/data=!3m1!1e3)
- These look like former rest area ramps to me, though I don't know when the rest area got removed.
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: behogie230 on April 03, 2021, 07:38:07 PM
US 1 at MD 24 in Bel Air, MD: Stubs for a planned overpass that never came to be. There is a one on both the US-1 offramp and onramp.
Offramp: https://goo.gl/maps/f8E4wTRbpQg9Zkyd7
Onramp: https://goo.gl/maps/4rCQ5aE5rG5T1YRv9

PA 23 at US 30: This is a bit more than just stub ramps, but rather an infamous cancelled highway from Lancaster to New Holland known as the "goat path" . If you look at this from above, you'll see that the ROW was acquired and the route was graded for miles, along with overpasses being constructed at each local road along with an interchange but protestors got the plan scrapped after work had begun. A local developer (High Company) has recently decided to extend PA 23 for one mile and construct walking trails for the rest of its length.
Dead end of PA 23: https://goo.gl/maps/MpbgjMRe7mp3GmYJ9
Willow Rd overpass over goat path: https://goo.gl/maps/ZghkNWHqEvoFA1ix9
Newport Rd scrapped interchange: https://goo.gl/maps/55WvksU5WbLegqdh8
Goat path overpass: https://goo.gl/maps/ZM6LpxSHa9pkjvKt6 (not connected to anything)
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: CoreySamson on April 03, 2021, 07:43:00 PM
The Grand Parkway's interchange with I-69 on the north side of town has a couple temporary ones:

https://www.google.com/maps/@30.1295687,-95.2325231,189m/data=!3m1!1e3
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: SkyPesos on April 04, 2021, 11:53:10 PM
I found this at the northern terminus of the Natchez Trace Pkwy with TN 100. When and why did the ramp from Natchez Trace to TN 100 East (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0345344,-86.9769022,652m/data=!3m1!1e3) close, and traffic to TN 100 East were redirected to McCrocy Ln?
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: bing101 on April 05, 2021, 05:51:49 AM
I-380 has a stub ramp in San Bruno, on its west end and it was intended to connect to CA-380.
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: WillWeaverRVA on April 05, 2021, 02:43:15 PM
This probably barely counts, but the VA 895 James River Bridge has a stub on the eastbound span (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.4432407,-77.426238,746m/data=!3m1!1e3), meant for a connection from southbound I-95 that was never built.
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: snowc on April 05, 2021, 02:48:19 PM
Quote from: behogie230 on April 03, 2021, 07:38:07 PM
US 1 at MD 24 in Bel Air, MD: Stubs for a planned overpass that never came to be. There is a one on both the US-1 offramp and onramp.
Offramp: https://goo.gl/maps/f8E4wTRbpQg9Zkyd7
Onramp: https://goo.gl/maps/4rCQ5aE5rG5T1YRv9

PA 23 at US 30: This is a bit more than just stub ramps, but rather an infamous cancelled highway from Lancaster to New Holland known as the "goat path" . If you look at this from above, you'll see that the ROW was acquired and the route was graded for miles, along with overpasses being constructed at each local road along with an interchange but protestors got the plan scrapped after work had begun. A local developer (High Company) has recently decided to extend PA 23 for one mile and construct walking trails for the rest of its length.
Dead end of PA 23: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0554793,-76.2664409,3a,75y,61.19h,81.61t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0wE3uUQBZXQdU_x_d-VeHw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0554793,-76.2664409,3a,75y,61.19h,81.61t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0wE3uUQBZXQdU_x_d-VeHw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Willow Rd overpass over goat path: https://goo.gl/maps/ZghkNWHqEvoFA1ix9
Newport Rd scrapped interchange: https://goo.gl/maps/55WvksU5WbLegqdh8
Goat path overpass: https://goo.gl/maps/ZM6LpxSHa9pkjvKt6 (not connected to anything)
Fixed link
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: snowc on April 05, 2021, 02:59:55 PM
I481 at I690 in SYR is a VERY GOOD example of stubs. They tried to extend the highway eastward but never came to be.
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0553343,-76.054584,1320m/data=!3m1!1e3 (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0553343,-76.054584,1320m/data=!3m1!1e3)
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: jp the roadgeek on April 05, 2021, 03:56:19 PM
The infamous half-used "Stack" on I-84 at the north end of CT 9.  There are stub ramps to what was supposed to be I-291 north of there, plus there's even a stub of the mainline buried within the interchange.  https://goo.gl/maps/3qqC9wJTR4eqcyW67

The west end of the MA 57 freeway at MA 187 in Feeding Hills.  https://goo.gl/maps/gpYYGyMqPq3WPwqv9

The west end of the RI 138 freeway in North Kingstown  https://goo.gl/maps/4VXEKGGQRmAfgvss9

The south "end" of CT 11 in Salem  https://goo.gl/maps/YP143iGaz9oP2nYs5
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: Rothman on April 05, 2021, 07:55:02 PM
Quote from: snowc on April 05, 2021, 02:59:55 PM
I481 at I690 in SYR is a VERY GOOD example of stubs. They tried to extend the highway eastward but never came to be.
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0553343,-76.054584,1320m/data=!3m1!1e3 (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0553343,-76.054584,1320m/data=!3m1!1e3)
Nah.  They had ramps to Butternut Dr and those ramps were removed for safety reasons.

See also how I-90/I-690 has changed drastically over the decades.
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: bing101 on April 05, 2021, 09:33:39 PM
CA-244 Sacramento is a stub but it was intended to be the expanded Beltline Freeway.
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: ilpt4u on April 05, 2021, 09:39:43 PM
A stub that is disappearing is the stub ramps for the cancelled MO 755 Freeway at I-64/US 40 near Union Station in St Louis

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.6282914,-90.2123158,822m/data=!3m1!1e3

The ramps and stubs have either already been completely torn out or are in the process thereof.

A new soccer stadium for the expansion St Louis MLS team is slated for the site of this cancelled freeway, and the rest of the existing interchange is being completely redeveloped

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=25883.0
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: ozarkman417 on April 05, 2021, 09:44:01 PM
-Southwest terminus of the Ozark Mountain Highroad

-US 67 at Walnut Ridge (not for long due to I-57?)

-IL 6 near Peoria
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: Revive 755 on April 05, 2021, 10:16:01 PM
Quote from: froggie on June 02, 2015, 11:08:25 PM
QuoteThe Amstutz was meant to go further north, but I'm not sure how far or if there were any big-picture plans for it.

All the way to Milwaukee, to what is now WI 794/I-794.


The Interim 1971 CATS Plan has WI 794/I-794  tying into an upgraded/partially relocated US 41 corridor in Illinois with the Amstutz being a separate facility that stops short of the Wisconsin border.  The 1962 CATS Plan does have the US 41 corridor curving closer to the shore near the Wisconsin border but it appears to stay well west of downtown Waukegan.

Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: machias on April 05, 2021, 10:37:24 PM
Quote from: Rothman on April 05, 2021, 07:55:02 PM
Quote from: snowc on April 05, 2021, 02:59:55 PM
I481 at I690 in SYR is a VERY GOOD example of stubs. They tried to extend the highway eastward but never came to be.
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0553343,-76.054584,1320m/data=!3m1!1e3 (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0553343,-76.054584,1320m/data=!3m1!1e3)
Nah.  They had ramps to Butternut Dr and those ramps were removed for safety reasons.

See also how I-90/I-690 has changed drastically over the decades.


When I was a kid (mid 1970s), I believe the ramp from I-690 west to I-481 south was signed or formerly signed with a blank green panel.
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: bing101 on April 05, 2021, 10:49:03 PM
The former CA-480 Embarcadero had a stub ramp but that was intended to meet Doyle Drive/Presidio parkway initially but that was gone 3 decades ago when the Loma Prieta quake destroyed the freeway.

I-280 had a stub section at one point on its north end with the intention to meet with CA-480 but that later became gentrified to be a part of Soma and Mission Bay once Oracle park and Chase Arena were built.
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: kernals12 on April 05, 2021, 10:49:47 PM
There are few freeways in Connecticut that don't have stub ramps. The closest one to where I grew up, Ridgefield, is where Super 7 ends in Norwalk.
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: MinecraftNinja on April 06, 2021, 11:08:16 PM
The stub ramps north of downtown Boston on 93.
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: Bruce on April 07, 2021, 02:11:49 AM
Two famous ones in Seattle have been demolished in recent years:

The ghost ramps for the RH Thomson Expressway off SR 520 in the Washington Park Arboretum, which had to go for the floating bridge replacement project.

A few nubs off the Alaskan Way Viaduct meant for the Connecticut Street Viaduct, which would have connected to I-90 before the Kingdome blocked off the route.
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: snowc on April 07, 2021, 04:33:19 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on April 05, 2021, 03:56:19 PM
The infamous half-used "Stack" on I-84 at the north end of CT 9.  There are stub ramps to what was supposed to be I-291 north of there, plus there's even a stub of the mainline buried within the interchange.  https://goo.gl/maps/3qqC9wJTR4eqcyW67

The west end of the MA 57 freeway at MA 187 in Feeding Hills.  https://goo.gl/maps/gpYYGyMqPq3WPwqv9

The west end of the RI 138 freeway in North Kingstown  https://goo.gl/maps/4VXEKGGQRmAfgvss9

The south "end" of CT 11 in Salem  https://goo.gl/maps/YP143iGaz9oP2nYs5
There's even a bridge connecting it too!  :wow:
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.464861,-72.2787339,3a,75y,43.81h,96.65t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sagy3ZZ7IG1OuSBfpsCaRLw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3Dagy3ZZ7IG1OuSBfpsCaRLw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D3.2805219%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.464861,-72.2787339,3a,75y,43.81h,96.65t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sagy3ZZ7IG1OuSBfpsCaRLw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3Dagy3ZZ7IG1OuSBfpsCaRLw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D3.2805219%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: froggie on April 08, 2021, 09:41:40 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on April 04, 2021, 11:53:10 PM
I found this at the northern terminus of the Natchez Trace Pkwy with TN 100. When and why did the ramp from Natchez Trace to TN 100 East (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0345344,-86.9769022,652m/data=!3m1!1e3) close, and traffic to TN 100 East were redirected to McCrocy Ln?

Having a ramp merge where you have left-turning traffic into businesses is not exactly a good idea from a safety and operational perspective.  Those businesses on the north side of 100 east of McCrocy did not exist when the NTP was built.

An analysis of aerial imagery suggests it was closed in 2014 or 2015.
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: 2trailertrucker on April 10, 2021, 09:07:30 PM
US 31 Napier Ave Benton Harbor MI. (US 31 is to be finished, but no work so far).https://www.google.com/maps/place/E+Napier+Ave+%26+US-31,+Benton+Charter+Township,+MI+49022/@42.0929745,-86.3824644,1484m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x8810cf5a8e5453ab:0x53e0066196826f88!8m2!3d42.0906619!4d-86.4105442 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/E+Napier+Ave+%26+US-31,+Benton+Charter+Township,+MI+49022/@42.0929745,-86.3824644,1484m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x8810cf5a8e5453ab:0x53e0066196826f88!8m2!3d42.0906619!4d-86.4105442)

Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on April 12, 2021, 02:43:09 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on April 02, 2021, 01:24:53 PM
Was going to make a new thread for nationwide and worldwide examples after seeing a new ramp stubs thread specific to Washington state, but after seeing that 4 have already been made in the past, decided to bump the most recent of the 4, which is this one.

Some Cincinnati examples

I-74 E to Central Pkwy (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1510673,-84.5398405,239m/data=!3m1!1e3)
- This ramp originally carried US 27/US 52 to Central Pkwy (US 127), which the two US routes use to go to downtown. It was removed as part of the I-75 modernization project, so US 27/52 share a concurrency with I-75 until Hopple (exit 3), where it uses that road to get to Central Pkwy.

And there's still US 27 shields on Central Pkwy. Interesting.
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: SkyPesos on April 20, 2021, 07:00:47 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on April 12, 2021, 02:43:09 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on April 02, 2021, 01:24:53 PM
Was going to make a new thread for nationwide and worldwide examples after seeing a new ramp stubs thread specific to Washington state, but after seeing that 4 have already been made in the past, decided to bump the most recent of the 4, which is this one.

Some Cincinnati examples

I-74 E to Central Pkwy (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1510673,-84.5398405,239m/data=!3m1!1e3)
- This ramp originally carried US 27/US 52 to Central Pkwy (US 127), which the two US routes use to go to downtown. It was removed as part of the I-75 modernization project, so US 27/52 share a concurrency with I-75 until Hopple (exit 3), where it uses that road to get to Central Pkwy.

And there's still US 27 shields on Central Pkwy. Interesting.
What is now Bates Ave (just north of the Hopple intersection) used to be part of an on-ramp from Central Pkwy to 74 W, and carried 27 N and 52 W too. So actually, Central Pkwy between I-74 and that ramp used to carry only southbound 27/52.
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: Roadgeekteen on June 09, 2021, 08:57:39 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2104581,-71.1388216,856m/data=!3m1!1e3

What was supposed to be I-95 to Boston.
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: tolbs17 on June 11, 2021, 09:44:28 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 09, 2021, 08:57:39 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2104581,-71.1388216,856m/data=!3m1!1e3

What was supposed to be I-95 to Boston.
Invade downtown!
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: Roadgeekteen on June 11, 2021, 10:15:58 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on June 11, 2021, 09:44:28 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 09, 2021, 08:57:39 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2104581,-71.1388216,856m/data=!3m1!1e3

What was supposed to be I-95 to Boston.
Invade downtown!
Eh the row is now a busy commuter rail and amtrak line.
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: snowc on September 05, 2021, 12:53:56 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 09, 2021, 08:57:39 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2104581,-71.1388216,856m/data=!3m1!1e3

What was supposed to be I-95 to Boston.
and near the infamous Left Exit 12 sign
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2238098,-71.1726813,3a,75y,123.44h,85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDyTe4TnfRl2tgaBSktw7bg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2238098,-71.1726813,3a,75y,123.44h,85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDyTe4TnfRl2tgaBSktw7bg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: US20IL64 on September 11, 2021, 02:10:22 AM
Concrete walls still exist for a cancelled left hand ramp on I-290, for East Ave in Oak Park IL. Turned into a garden.
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: SkyPesos on August 31, 2022, 09:10:59 PM
Found an on-ramp stub on SB US 17 in Charleston (just south of the I-26 terminus). Anyone know what this stub used to be for?

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7968815,-79.9438357,162m/data=!3m1!1e3
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: froggie on August 31, 2022, 09:15:26 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on August 31, 2022, 09:10:59 PM
Found an on-ramp stub on SB US 17 in Charleston (just south of the I-26 terminus). Anyone know what this stub used to be for?

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7968815,-79.9438357,162m/data=!3m1!1e3

Former SB US 17 through movement from the former Grace Bridge, which was replaced in the mid 2000s by the current Ravenal Bridge.
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: ilpt4u on September 01, 2022, 10:18:35 PM
I-474 Exit 3A in Peoria

Signed "To IL 116"  this is a half Cloverleaf, for the now all-but-cancelled IL 336 between Peoria and Macomb. This is the only part of 336 built in Peoria, but is not signed as such. The only signed designation it has at all is a "Hidden"  route number on the County Mileage/Reference Marker

The fact that it is a Half Cloverleaf, with all the ROW for a Full Cloverleaf if the route continued eastward, which some grading work was done. From what I have read, the plans to continue the would-be IL 336 inside 474 were dropped

But the fact that this interchange and roadway was built, is itself a stub ramp, because it was to be the eastern end of the Mainline IL 336 Expressway between Peoria and Macomb, and the 336 project between the two Western IL cities is all but dead
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: Bruce on October 03, 2022, 08:53:11 PM
A somewhat unique one: the HOV ramps to the Ash Way P&R near Lynnwood (https://www.google.com/maps/@47.8530441,-122.2566416,270m/data=!3m1!1e3) only have access to the south. The north half was supposed to be funded by the 2007 Roads & Transit ballot measure, which was rejected and replaced with a smaller transit-only package. The new package did not include enough money to actually build the ramp, which hampers bus operations for express routes but will eventually become obsolete with light rail expansion in 2037.

Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: pderocco on October 04, 2022, 02:49:46 AM
Gee, no one has mentioned the stub ramps off US-1 in Revere, MA, which are followed by over two miles of what looks like partially prepared roadbed across Rumney Marsh that were intended for I-95: https://goo.gl/maps/MDkn9eK91Gtyb3xMA (https://goo.gl/maps/MDkn9eK91Gtyb3xMA)

I love those rotary interchanges that are so popular in Massachusetts.
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: kirbykart on October 04, 2022, 08:36:23 AM
Stub ramp on I-86/NY 17 WB approaching Bemus Point.
https://goo.gl/maps/6A9oraYxfQnxdj7QA (https://goo.gl/maps/6A9oraYxfQnxdj7QA)
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: kphoger on October 04, 2022, 11:59:52 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on October 04, 2022, 11:54:12 AM

Quote from: kirbykart on October 04, 2022, 08:36:23 AM
Stub ramp on I-86/NY 17 WB approaching Bemus Point.
https://goo.gl/maps/6A9oraYxfQnxdj7QA (https://goo.gl/maps/6A9oraYxfQnxdj7QA)

That's a long abandoned rest area.  Switch to the aerial image and you can see it.

Wow, how long ago?  Even in the 1985 aerial, it looks abandoned.
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: mgk920 on October 04, 2022, 12:01:28 PM
Quote from: kirbykart on October 04, 2022, 08:36:23 AM
Stub ramp on I-86/NY 17 WB approaching Bemus Point.
https://goo.gl/maps/6A9oraYxfQnxdj7QA (https://goo.gl/maps/6A9oraYxfQnxdj7QA)

That is an abandoned rest area.  Switch to aerial images to see it.  Interestingly, the most recent aerial image shows it to be in use.   :spin:

Mike
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: mgk920 on October 04, 2022, 12:07:25 PM
Also, check out the 2022-dated streetview shots of it.  When I drove the highway in the very late 1990s, it was also closed off.

Mike
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: roadman65 on October 04, 2022, 12:33:46 PM
I-695 at MD 702 looks like another freeway was planned and never got built.

https://goo.gl/maps/Xk4TEQp8QJLyUbeL6
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: kphoger on October 04, 2022, 12:47:11 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on October 04, 2022, 12:01:28 PM

Quote from: kirbykart on October 04, 2022, 08:36:23 AM
Stub ramp on I-86/NY 17 WB approaching Bemus Point.
https://goo.gl/maps/6A9oraYxfQnxdj7QA (https://goo.gl/maps/6A9oraYxfQnxdj7QA)

That is an abandoned rest area.  Switch to aerial images to see it.  Interestingly, the most recent aerial image shows it to be in use.   :spin:

Quote from: mgk920 on October 04, 2022, 12:07:25 PM
Also, check out the 2022-dated streetview shots of it.  When I drove the highway in the very late 1990s, it was also closed off.

1.  I can't find any aerial view of it showing that it's in use.

2.  I can't find any 2022 GSV shots.
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: jakeroot on October 04, 2022, 01:31:41 PM
It appears the only thing abandoned was the idea of building the rest area. I see no evidence that one was ever constructed.
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: jakeroot on October 04, 2022, 01:51:50 PM
Quote from: Bruce on October 03, 2022, 08:53:11 PM
A somewhat unique one: the HOV ramps to the Ash Way P&R near Lynnwood (https://www.google.com/maps/@47.8530441,-122.2566416,270m/data=!3m1!1e3) only have access to the south. The north half was supposed to be funded by the 2007 Roads & Transit ballot measure, which was rejected and replaced with a smaller transit-only package. The new package did not include enough money to actually build the ramp, which hampers bus operations for express routes but will eventually become obsolete with light rail expansion in 2037.

Could you possibly shed some light on why carpool traffic cannot use the ramps? In theory, the ramps are only getting about half the traffic they should (assuming there are no routes that terminate at Ash Way), plus carpool traffic normally would not need to continue through and would find the ramps much more useful. Yet, it's the only direct-access ramps I can think of in the Seattle region that are bus only; Downtown and 108th in Bellevue, Federal Way, Totem Lake, South Everett, all future 405 ETL ramps .... all of them allow carpool traffic. But not Ash Way.
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: Bruce on October 04, 2022, 05:53:18 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on October 04, 2022, 01:51:50 PM
Quote from: Bruce on October 03, 2022, 08:53:11 PM
A somewhat unique one: the HOV ramps to the Ash Way P&R near Lynnwood (https://www.google.com/maps/@47.8530441,-122.2566416,270m/data=!3m1!1e3) only have access to the south. The north half was supposed to be funded by the 2007 Roads & Transit ballot measure, which was rejected and replaced with a smaller transit-only package. The new package did not include enough money to actually build the ramp, which hampers bus operations for express routes but will eventually become obsolete with light rail expansion in 2037.

Could you possibly shed some light on why carpool traffic cannot use the ramps? In theory, the ramps are only getting about half the traffic they should (assuming there are no routes that terminate at Ash Way), plus carpool traffic normally would not need to continue through and would find the ramps much more useful. Yet, it's the only direct-access ramps I can think of in the Seattle region that are bus only; Downtown and 108th in Bellevue, Federal Way, Totem Lake, South Everett, all future 405 ETL ramps .... all of them allow carpool traffic. But not Ash Way.

It dumps out right into the bus loop, and clogging a busy transit facility with cars is not ideal. There's no traffic light onto Ash Way either, so buses would be massively delayed while cars try to turn left (SB) to reach 164th.
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: jakeroot on October 04, 2022, 06:40:28 PM
Quote from: Bruce on October 04, 2022, 05:53:18 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on October 04, 2022, 01:51:50 PM
Quote from: Bruce on October 03, 2022, 08:53:11 PM
A somewhat unique one: the HOV ramps to the Ash Way P&R near Lynnwood (https://www.google.com/maps/@47.8530441,-122.2566416,270m/data=!3m1!1e3) only have access to the south. The north half was supposed to be funded by the 2007 Roads & Transit ballot measure, which was rejected and replaced with a smaller transit-only package. The new package did not include enough money to actually build the ramp, which hampers bus operations for express routes but will eventually become obsolete with light rail expansion in 2037.

Could you possibly shed some light on why carpool traffic cannot use the ramps? In theory, the ramps are only getting about half the traffic they should (assuming there are no routes that terminate at Ash Way), plus carpool traffic normally would not need to continue through and would find the ramps much more useful. Yet, it's the only direct-access ramps I can think of in the Seattle region that are bus only; Downtown and 108th in Bellevue, Federal Way, Totem Lake, South Everett, all future 405 ETL ramps .... all of them allow carpool traffic. But not Ash Way.

It dumps out right into the bus loop, and clogging a busy transit facility with cars is not ideal. There's no traffic light onto Ash Way either, so buses would be massively delayed while cars try to turn left (SB) to reach 164th.

Hmm. I guess. Though I cannot recall any of these direct-access ramps that are even close to busy, and all of the others (including Lynnwood which I forgot) do allow carpool traffic.
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: mgk920 on October 04, 2022, 08:16:08 PM
Quote from: kphoger on October 04, 2022, 12:47:11 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on October 04, 2022, 12:01:28 PM

Quote from: kirbykart on October 04, 2022, 08:36:23 AM
Stub ramp on I-86/NY 17 WB approaching Bemus Point.
https://goo.gl/maps/6A9oraYxfQnxdj7QA (https://goo.gl/maps/6A9oraYxfQnxdj7QA)

That is an abandoned rest area.  Switch to aerial images to see it.  Interestingly, the most recent aerial image shows it to be in use.   :spin:

Quote from: mgk920 on October 04, 2022, 12:07:25 PM
Also, check out the 2022-dated streetview shots of it.  When I drove the highway in the very late 1990s, it was also closed off.

1.  I can't find any aerial view of it showing that it's in use.

2.  I can't find any 2022 GSV shots.

Gore point on EB I-86 (dated 2021):
https://goo.gl/maps/1sPobSGYRVhcAi7h8
Aerial image of rest aera in use:
https://goo.gl/maps/8s2r2dd9AL1jCwPM8
GSV in rest area:
https://goo.gl/maps/7yWq7jiNijAWQisU9

:nod:

Mike
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: kirbykart on October 04, 2022, 09:03:48 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on October 04, 2022, 08:16:08 PM
Quote from: kphoger on October 04, 2022, 12:47:11 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on October 04, 2022, 12:01:28 PM

Quote from: kirbykart on October 04, 2022, 08:36:23 AM
Stub ramp on I-86/NY 17 WB approaching Bemus Point.
https://goo.gl/maps/6A9oraYxfQnxdj7QA (https://goo.gl/maps/6A9oraYxfQnxdj7QA)

That is an abandoned rest area.  Switch to aerial images to see it.  Interestingly, the most recent aerial image shows it to be in use.   :spin:

Quote from: mgk920 on October 04, 2022, 12:07:25 PM
Also, check out the 2022-dated streetview shots of it.  When I drove the highway in the very late 1990s, it was also closed off.

1.  I can't find any aerial view of it showing that it's in use.

2.  I can't find any 2022 GSV shots.

Gore point on EB I-86 (dated 2021):
https://goo.gl/maps/1sPobSGYRVhcAi7h8
Aerial image of rest aera in use:
https://goo.gl/maps/8s2r2dd9AL1jCwPM8
GSV in rest area:
https://goo.gl/maps/7yWq7jiNijAWQisU9

:nod:

Mike

That is for the EASTBOUND rest area!!!!!!!!! The westbound has been abandoned for decades.
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: PurdueBill on October 04, 2022, 09:19:45 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on October 04, 2022, 12:33:46 PM
I-695 at MD 702 looks like another freeway was planned and never got built.

https://goo.gl/maps/Xk4TEQp8QJLyUbeL6

The Windlass Freeway name that Google Maps shows for that stretch of 695 is the giveaway--the Windlass would have branched off I-95 by Moravia Road (the branch that for many years had the blank sign at a stub ramp, with a button copy border but otherwise no text) and gone over to where Exit 37 on the beltway belongs (Exit 37 is missing because of this), then probably going north-northeastward at today's MD 702 (ghost ramp stubs there too, the most noticeable off of 702 SB).  There were arrows and barricades on the paved stub continuation of the Windlass branching to the left off the beltway NB until just a couple years ago.  The paved stub is now gone as are the signs, over 30 years after it was killed.
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: Bruce on October 04, 2022, 10:45:40 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on October 04, 2022, 06:40:28 PM
Quote from: Bruce on October 04, 2022, 05:53:18 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on October 04, 2022, 01:51:50 PM
Quote from: Bruce on October 03, 2022, 08:53:11 PM
A somewhat unique one: the HOV ramps to the Ash Way P&R near Lynnwood (https://www.google.com/maps/@47.8530441,-122.2566416,270m/data=!3m1!1e3) only have access to the south. The north half was supposed to be funded by the 2007 Roads & Transit ballot measure, which was rejected and replaced with a smaller transit-only package. The new package did not include enough money to actually build the ramp, which hampers bus operations for express routes but will eventually become obsolete with light rail expansion in 2037.

Could you possibly shed some light on why carpool traffic cannot use the ramps? In theory, the ramps are only getting about half the traffic they should (assuming there are no routes that terminate at Ash Way), plus carpool traffic normally would not need to continue through and would find the ramps much more useful. Yet, it's the only direct-access ramps I can think of in the Seattle region that are bus only; Downtown and 108th in Bellevue, Federal Way, Totem Lake, South Everett, all future 405 ETL ramps .... all of them allow carpool traffic. But not Ash Way.

It dumps out right into the bus loop, and clogging a busy transit facility with cars is not ideal. There's no traffic light onto Ash Way either, so buses would be massively delayed while cars try to turn left (SB) to reach 164th.

Hmm. I guess. Though I cannot recall any of these direct-access ramps that are even close to busy, and all of the others (including Lynnwood which I forgot) do allow carpool traffic.

While the ramp isn't terribly busy, there's additional local routes that only use the loop, not to mention a crosswalk at the end of the ramp. Lots of potential for congestion during the PM rush.
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: mgk920 on October 05, 2022, 11:26:08 AM
It was closed off a few years ago.

Mike
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: kphoger on October 05, 2022, 01:45:24 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on October 04, 2022, 08:16:08 PM

Quote from: kphoger on October 04, 2022, 12:47:11 PM

Quote from: mgk920 on October 04, 2022, 12:01:28 PM

Quote from: kirbykart on October 04, 2022, 08:36:23 AM
Stub ramp on I-86/NY 17 WB approaching Bemus Point.
https://goo.gl/maps/6A9oraYxfQnxdj7QA (https://goo.gl/maps/6A9oraYxfQnxdj7QA)

That is an abandoned rest area.  Switch to aerial images to see it.  Interestingly, the most recent aerial image shows it to be in use.   :spin:

Quote from: mgk920 on October 04, 2022, 12:07:25 PM
Also, check out the 2022-dated streetview shots of it.  When I drove the highway in the very late 1990s, it was also closed off.

1.  I can't find any aerial view of it showing that it's in use.

2.  I can't find any 2022 GSV shots.

Gore point on EB I-86 (dated 2021):
https://goo.gl/maps/1sPobSGYRVhcAi7h8
Aerial image of rest aera in use:
https://goo.gl/maps/8s2r2dd9AL1jCwPM8
GSV in rest area:
https://goo.gl/maps/7yWq7jiNijAWQisU9

Wrong side of the highway, dude.
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: mgk920 on October 05, 2022, 09:42:23 PM
Quote from: kphoger on October 05, 2022, 01:45:24 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on October 04, 2022, 08:16:08 PM

Quote from: kphoger on October 04, 2022, 12:47:11 PM

Quote from: mgk920 on October 04, 2022, 12:01:28 PM

Quote from: kirbykart on October 04, 2022, 08:36:23 AM
Stub ramp on I-86/NY 17 WB approaching Bemus Point.
https://goo.gl/maps/6A9oraYxfQnxdj7QA (https://goo.gl/maps/6A9oraYxfQnxdj7QA)

That is an abandoned rest area.  Switch to aerial images to see it.  Interestingly, the most recent aerial image shows it to be in use.   :spin:

Quote from: mgk920 on October 04, 2022, 12:07:25 PM
Also, check out the 2022-dated streetview shots of it.  When I drove the highway in the very late 1990s, it was also closed off.

1.  I can't find any aerial view of it showing that it's in use.

2.  I can't find any 2022 GSV shots.

Gore point on EB I-86 (dated 2021):
https://goo.gl/maps/1sPobSGYRVhcAi7h8
Aerial image of rest aera in use:
https://goo.gl/maps/8s2r2dd9AL1jCwPM8
GSV in rest area:
https://goo.gl/maps/7yWq7jiNijAWQisU9

Wrong side of the highway, dude.

(ignoring the snippiness and snottiness exhibited above)

Hoe long before NYSDOT competes and opens the westbound rest area, seeing as they recently did that to the eastbound one?

Mike
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: kirbykart on October 06, 2022, 09:27:32 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on October 05, 2022, 09:42:23 PM
Quote from: kphoger on October 05, 2022, 01:45:24 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on October 04, 2022, 08:16:08 PM

Quote from: kphoger on October 04, 2022, 12:47:11 PM

Quote from: mgk920 on October 04, 2022, 12:01:28 PM

Quote from: kirbykart on October 04, 2022, 08:36:23 AM
Stub ramp on I-86/NY 17 WB approaching Bemus Point.
https://goo.gl/maps/6A9oraYxfQnxdj7QA (https://goo.gl/maps/6A9oraYxfQnxdj7QA)

That is an abandoned rest area.  Switch to aerial images to see it.  Interestingly, the most recent aerial image shows it to be in use.   :spin:

Quote from: mgk920 on October 04, 2022, 12:07:25 PM
Also, check out the 2022-dated streetview shots of it.  When I drove the highway in the very late 1990s, it was also closed off.

1.  I can't find any aerial view of it showing that it's in use.

2.  I can't find any 2022 GSV shots.

Gore point on EB I-86 (dated 2021):
https://goo.gl/maps/1sPobSGYRVhcAi7h8
Aerial image of rest aera in use:
https://goo.gl/maps/8s2r2dd9AL1jCwPM8
GSV in rest area:
https://goo.gl/maps/7yWq7jiNijAWQisU9

Wrong side of the highway, dude.

(ignoring the snippiness and snottiness exhibited above)

How long before NYSDOT competes and opens the westbound rest area, seeing as they recently did that to the eastbound one?

Mike

The eastbound rest area has been in service for a long time. You seem to be under the impression that both of these were abandoned and the eastbound one was opened again later. This is simply not the case. The two rest areas are completely unrelated.
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: thenetwork on October 06, 2022, 11:09:00 AM
Quote from: kirbykart on October 06, 2022, 09:27:32 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on October 05, 2022, 09:42:23 PM
Quote from: kphoger on October 05, 2022, 01:45:24 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on October 04, 2022, 08:16:08 PM

Quote from: kphoger on October 04, 2022, 12:47:11 PM

Quote from: mgk920 on October 04, 2022, 12:01:28 PM

Quote from: kirbykart on October 04, 2022, 08:36:23 AM
Stub ramp on I-86/NY 17 WB approaching Bemus Point.
https://goo.gl/maps/6A9oraYxfQnxdj7QA (https://goo.gl/maps/6A9oraYxfQnxdj7QA)

That is an abandoned rest area.  Switch to aerial images to see it.  Interestingly, the most recent aerial image shows it to be in use.   :spin:

Quote from: mgk920 on October 04, 2022, 12:07:25 PM
Also, check out the 2022-dated streetview shots of it.  When I drove the highway in the very late 1990s, it was also closed off.

1.  I can't find any aerial view of it showing that it's in use.

2.  I can't find any 2022 GSV shots.

Gore point on EB I-86 (dated 2021):
https://goo.gl/maps/1sPobSGYRVhcAi7h8
Aerial image of rest aera in use:
https://goo.gl/maps/8s2r2dd9AL1jCwPM8
GSV in rest area:
https://goo.gl/maps/7yWq7jiNijAWQisU9

Wrong side of the highway, dude.

(ignoring the snippiness and snottiness exhibited above)

How long before NYSDOT competes and opens the westbound rest area, seeing as they recently did that to the eastbound one?

Mike

The eastbound rest area has been in service for a long time. You seem to be under the impression that both of these were abandoned and the eastbound one was opened again later. This is simply not the case. The two rest areas are completely unrelated.

I would assume that the never-built westbound rest area was to planned have been completed when or after the rest of the NY-17 freeway was extended from the Lake Chautauqua area to the PA line in the early 90s??
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: kphoger on October 06, 2022, 11:15:15 AM
Quote from: thenetwork on October 06, 2022, 11:09:00 AM
I would assume that the never-built westbound rest area was to planned have been completed when or after the rest of the NY-17 freeway was extended from the Lake Chautauqua area to the PA line in the early 90s??

Not sure about its history, but it's clearly visible in the 1985 aerial.
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: jakeroot on October 06, 2022, 11:36:23 AM
Both have very similar grading visible in the 1980s and 1990s aerial imagery, but then they randomly completed the eastbound rest area. It seems reasonable to assume they'll eventually get around to westbound.
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: vdeane on October 06, 2022, 12:44:10 PM
Given that NY "temporarily closed" a bunch of rest areas in 2011 and a couple of those still are (and a couple others have since become parking areas), I wouldn't hold my breath on new rest areas in NY.
https://www.dot.ny.gov/regional-offices/statewide-rest-areas

(personal opinion)
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: SSR_317 on October 17, 2022, 03:18:52 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 26, 2015, 01:39:00 AM
...

One was left in Indy for the never built I-69 into both I-70 and I-65.

...
The North Split Upgrade (reconstruction) project has recently resulted in the final demise of those old stub ramps from the 1970s. They were originally intended to be the southern endpoints for the never-built Northeast Freeway, to connect downtown Indy at the North Split (of I-65 & I-70) with the southern terminus of "Classic I-69" at I-465 in Castleton (at Binford Blvd, the former SR 37) on the far NE side.

Because that 1970s project got cancelled (victim of the Freeway Revolution), I-69 became one of the few 2-di highways that terminated at a 3-di. Now, of course, it continues on to Bloomington, Evansville and beyond and may SOMEDAY head all the way to México (won't be in MY lifetime, though). But it will officially bypass downtown Indy by following I-465 from Castleton to just west of Harding Street on the SW side of the city, where a new system interchange is being built as part of the Finish Line I-69 project.

{Edited by author to correct typo}
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: SSR_317 on October 17, 2022, 03:52:28 PM
Quote from: bing101 on April 05, 2021, 10:49:03 PM
The former CA-480 Embarcadero had a stub ramp but that was intended to meet Doyle Drive/Presidio parkway initially but that was gone 3 decades ago when the Loma Prieta quake destroyed the freeway.

I-280 had a stub section at one point on its north end with the intention to meet with CA-480 but that later became gentrified to be a part of Soma and Mission Bay once Oracle park and Chase Arena were built.
The "stub" of I-280 to which you refer still kinda exists, being later routed directly onto King Street (at a traffic signal for 5th St, just south of the Caltrain terminal yards). King eventually curves into and becomes The Embarcadero (surface street) just past the Giants' ballpark. The final (partial) interchange on I-280 is for the ramps to & from 6th Street (which cross above the aforementioned railroad and land to the northwest of it at the signalized intersection of 6th St & Brannan St). The original intent was to connect 280 directly to the 480 Embarcadero Freeway, but that never came about. The Chase Center was recently built nearby, it is a part of the Mission Bay district, but is much further south than the old I-280 stub, at 16th St & 3rd St (which because of the geography of the city, actually cross). I-280 is about 4 blocks to the west of the arena, on an elevated viaduct above the Caltrain tracks where they have a at-grade crossing with 16th (at 7th St & Pennsylvania Ave).

BTW, the Loma Prieta earthquake did not "destroy" the Embarcadero Freeway, but so damaged it that the decision was made to tear it down rather than rebuild the hated concrete monolith that blocked bay views from parts the city.

Author's note: Today, October 17, 2022, is the 33rd anniversary of the Loma Prieta earthquake. I happened to be visiting the Bay Area that day and experienced it first hand. May all the victims of that temblor continue to rest in peace. For all those who died on the I-880 Nimitz Freeway collapse in Oakland, their deaths were not in vain as what engineers and scientists eventually learned from that failure has helped make our highways and structures built and retrofitted since more seismically sound.

{Edited by author to add the above note}
{Subsequently edited again by author to correct a typo}
Title: Re: Stub ramps
Post by: mariethefoxy on October 25, 2022, 03:40:46 AM
I know of a few stub ramps on Long Island.

NY 25 has a small stub ramp that would have been the southbound 135 Exit 14W if they built it further north.

There is a small stub ramp, its hard to see and you might miss it if you aren't looking for it on the JFK Expressway heading into the airport that was intended to be an Exit to NY 878 west if the Nassau Expressway had the westbound side built.

There are a couple on Staten Island, the two most famous ones on 278 for the unbuilt Richmond Parkway extension were demolished in the HOV lane project, there are some on NY 440 south at the Korean War Vets Parkway interchange.