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Started by iBallasticwolf2, May 24, 2015, 10:50:51 AM

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2trailertrucker



Interstate 69 Fan

Quote from: SkyPesos on April 02, 2021, 01:24:53 PM
Was going to make a new thread for nationwide and worldwide examples after seeing a new ramp stubs thread specific to Washington state, but after seeing that 4 have already been made in the past, decided to bump the most recent of the 4, which is this one.

Some Cincinnati examples

I-74 E to Central Pkwy
- This ramp originally carried US 27/US 52 to Central Pkwy (US 127), which the two US routes use to go to downtown. It was removed as part of the I-75 modernization project, so US 27/52 share a concurrency with I-75 until Hopple (exit 3), where it uses that road to get to Central Pkwy.

And there's still US 27 shields on Central Pkwy. Interesting.
Apparently I’m a fan of I-69.  Who knew.

SkyPesos

Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on April 12, 2021, 02:43:09 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on April 02, 2021, 01:24:53 PM
Was going to make a new thread for nationwide and worldwide examples after seeing a new ramp stubs thread specific to Washington state, but after seeing that 4 have already been made in the past, decided to bump the most recent of the 4, which is this one.

Some Cincinnati examples

I-74 E to Central Pkwy
- This ramp originally carried US 27/US 52 to Central Pkwy (US 127), which the two US routes use to go to downtown. It was removed as part of the I-75 modernization project, so US 27/52 share a concurrency with I-75 until Hopple (exit 3), where it uses that road to get to Central Pkwy.

And there's still US 27 shields on Central Pkwy. Interesting.
What is now Bates Ave (just north of the Hopple intersection) used to be part of an on-ramp from Central Pkwy to 74 W, and carried 27 N and 52 W too. So actually, Central Pkwy between I-74 and that ramp used to carry only southbound 27/52.

Roadgeekteen

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Current Interstate map I am making:

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?hl=en&mid=1PEDVyNb1skhnkPkgXi8JMaaudM2zI-Y&ll=29.05778059819179%2C-82.48856825&z=5

tolbs17


Roadgeekteen

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Current Interstate map I am making:

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?hl=en&mid=1PEDVyNb1skhnkPkgXi8JMaaudM2zI-Y&ll=29.05778059819179%2C-82.48856825&z=5


US20IL64

Concrete walls still exist for a cancelled left hand ramp on I-290, for East Ave in Oak Park IL. Turned into a garden.

SkyPesos

Found an on-ramp stub on SB US 17 in Charleston (just south of the I-26 terminus). Anyone know what this stub used to be for?

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7968815,-79.9438357,162m/data=!3m1!1e3

froggie

Quote from: SkyPesos on August 31, 2022, 09:10:59 PM
Found an on-ramp stub on SB US 17 in Charleston (just south of the I-26 terminus). Anyone know what this stub used to be for?

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7968815,-79.9438357,162m/data=!3m1!1e3

Former SB US 17 through movement from the former Grace Bridge, which was replaced in the mid 2000s by the current Ravenal Bridge.

ilpt4u

I-474 Exit 3A in Peoria

Signed "To IL 116"  this is a half Cloverleaf, for the now all-but-cancelled IL 336 between Peoria and Macomb. This is the only part of 336 built in Peoria, but is not signed as such. The only signed designation it has at all is a "Hidden"  route number on the County Mileage/Reference Marker

The fact that it is a Half Cloverleaf, with all the ROW for a Full Cloverleaf if the route continued eastward, which some grading work was done. From what I have read, the plans to continue the would-be IL 336 inside 474 were dropped

But the fact that this interchange and roadway was built, is itself a stub ramp, because it was to be the eastern end of the Mainline IL 336 Expressway between Peoria and Macomb, and the 336 project between the two Western IL cities is all but dead

Bruce

A somewhat unique one: the HOV ramps to the Ash Way P&R near Lynnwood only have access to the south. The north half was supposed to be funded by the 2007 Roads & Transit ballot measure, which was rejected and replaced with a smaller transit-only package. The new package did not include enough money to actually build the ramp, which hampers bus operations for express routes but will eventually become obsolete with light rail expansion in 2037.


pderocco

Gee, no one has mentioned the stub ramps off US-1 in Revere, MA, which are followed by over two miles of what looks like partially prepared roadbed across Rumney Marsh that were intended for I-95: https://goo.gl/maps/MDkn9eK91Gtyb3xMA

I love those rotary interchanges that are so popular in Massachusetts.

kirbykart

Stub ramp on I-86/NY 17 WB approaching Bemus Point.
https://goo.gl/maps/6A9oraYxfQnxdj7QA

kphoger

Quote from: mgk920 on October 04, 2022, 11:54:12 AM

Quote from: kirbykart on October 04, 2022, 08:36:23 AM
Stub ramp on I-86/NY 17 WB approaching Bemus Point.
https://goo.gl/maps/6A9oraYxfQnxdj7QA

That's a long abandoned rest area.  Switch to the aerial image and you can see it.

Wow, how long ago?  Even in the 1985 aerial, it looks abandoned.
Keep right except to pass.  Yes.  You.
Visit scenic Orleans County, NY!
Male pronouns, please.

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mgk920

Quote from: kirbykart on October 04, 2022, 08:36:23 AM
Stub ramp on I-86/NY 17 WB approaching Bemus Point.
https://goo.gl/maps/6A9oraYxfQnxdj7QA

That is an abandoned rest area.  Switch to aerial images to see it.  Interestingly, the most recent aerial image shows it to be in use.   :spin:

Mike

mgk920

Also, check out the 2022-dated streetview shots of it.  When I drove the highway in the very late 1990s, it was also closed off.

Mike

roadman65

I-695 at MD 702 looks like another freeway was planned and never got built.

https://goo.gl/maps/Xk4TEQp8QJLyUbeL6
Every day is a winding road, you just got to get used to it.

Sheryl Crowe

kphoger

Quote from: mgk920 on October 04, 2022, 12:01:28 PM

Quote from: kirbykart on October 04, 2022, 08:36:23 AM
Stub ramp on I-86/NY 17 WB approaching Bemus Point.
https://goo.gl/maps/6A9oraYxfQnxdj7QA

That is an abandoned rest area.  Switch to aerial images to see it.  Interestingly, the most recent aerial image shows it to be in use.   :spin:

Quote from: mgk920 on October 04, 2022, 12:07:25 PM
Also, check out the 2022-dated streetview shots of it.  When I drove the highway in the very late 1990s, it was also closed off.

1.  I can't find any aerial view of it showing that it's in use.

2.  I can't find any 2022 GSV shots.
Keep right except to pass.  Yes.  You.
Visit scenic Orleans County, NY!
Male pronouns, please.

Quote from: Philip K. DickIf you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use them.

jakeroot

It appears the only thing abandoned was the idea of building the rest area. I see no evidence that one was ever constructed.

jakeroot

Quote from: Bruce on October 03, 2022, 08:53:11 PM
A somewhat unique one: the HOV ramps to the Ash Way P&R near Lynnwood only have access to the south. The north half was supposed to be funded by the 2007 Roads & Transit ballot measure, which was rejected and replaced with a smaller transit-only package. The new package did not include enough money to actually build the ramp, which hampers bus operations for express routes but will eventually become obsolete with light rail expansion in 2037.

Could you possibly shed some light on why carpool traffic cannot use the ramps? In theory, the ramps are only getting about half the traffic they should (assuming there are no routes that terminate at Ash Way), plus carpool traffic normally would not need to continue through and would find the ramps much more useful. Yet, it's the only direct-access ramps I can think of in the Seattle region that are bus only; Downtown and 108th in Bellevue, Federal Way, Totem Lake, South Everett, all future 405 ETL ramps .... all of them allow carpool traffic. But not Ash Way.

Bruce

Quote from: jakeroot on October 04, 2022, 01:51:50 PM
Quote from: Bruce on October 03, 2022, 08:53:11 PM
A somewhat unique one: the HOV ramps to the Ash Way P&R near Lynnwood only have access to the south. The north half was supposed to be funded by the 2007 Roads & Transit ballot measure, which was rejected and replaced with a smaller transit-only package. The new package did not include enough money to actually build the ramp, which hampers bus operations for express routes but will eventually become obsolete with light rail expansion in 2037.

Could you possibly shed some light on why carpool traffic cannot use the ramps? In theory, the ramps are only getting about half the traffic they should (assuming there are no routes that terminate at Ash Way), plus carpool traffic normally would not need to continue through and would find the ramps much more useful. Yet, it's the only direct-access ramps I can think of in the Seattle region that are bus only; Downtown and 108th in Bellevue, Federal Way, Totem Lake, South Everett, all future 405 ETL ramps .... all of them allow carpool traffic. But not Ash Way.

It dumps out right into the bus loop, and clogging a busy transit facility with cars is not ideal. There's no traffic light onto Ash Way either, so buses would be massively delayed while cars try to turn left (SB) to reach 164th.

jakeroot

Quote from: Bruce on October 04, 2022, 05:53:18 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on October 04, 2022, 01:51:50 PM
Quote from: Bruce on October 03, 2022, 08:53:11 PM
A somewhat unique one: the HOV ramps to the Ash Way P&R near Lynnwood only have access to the south. The north half was supposed to be funded by the 2007 Roads & Transit ballot measure, which was rejected and replaced with a smaller transit-only package. The new package did not include enough money to actually build the ramp, which hampers bus operations for express routes but will eventually become obsolete with light rail expansion in 2037.

Could you possibly shed some light on why carpool traffic cannot use the ramps? In theory, the ramps are only getting about half the traffic they should (assuming there are no routes that terminate at Ash Way), plus carpool traffic normally would not need to continue through and would find the ramps much more useful. Yet, it's the only direct-access ramps I can think of in the Seattle region that are bus only; Downtown and 108th in Bellevue, Federal Way, Totem Lake, South Everett, all future 405 ETL ramps .... all of them allow carpool traffic. But not Ash Way.

It dumps out right into the bus loop, and clogging a busy transit facility with cars is not ideal. There's no traffic light onto Ash Way either, so buses would be massively delayed while cars try to turn left (SB) to reach 164th.

Hmm. I guess. Though I cannot recall any of these direct-access ramps that are even close to busy, and all of the others (including Lynnwood which I forgot) do allow carpool traffic.

mgk920

Quote from: kphoger on October 04, 2022, 12:47:11 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on October 04, 2022, 12:01:28 PM

Quote from: kirbykart on October 04, 2022, 08:36:23 AM
Stub ramp on I-86/NY 17 WB approaching Bemus Point.
https://goo.gl/maps/6A9oraYxfQnxdj7QA

That is an abandoned rest area.  Switch to aerial images to see it.  Interestingly, the most recent aerial image shows it to be in use.   :spin:

Quote from: mgk920 on October 04, 2022, 12:07:25 PM
Also, check out the 2022-dated streetview shots of it.  When I drove the highway in the very late 1990s, it was also closed off.

1.  I can't find any aerial view of it showing that it's in use.

2.  I can't find any 2022 GSV shots.

Gore point on EB I-86 (dated 2021):
https://goo.gl/maps/1sPobSGYRVhcAi7h8
Aerial image of rest aera in use:
https://goo.gl/maps/8s2r2dd9AL1jCwPM8
GSV in rest area:
https://goo.gl/maps/7yWq7jiNijAWQisU9

:nod:

Mike

kirbykart

Quote from: mgk920 on October 04, 2022, 08:16:08 PM
Quote from: kphoger on October 04, 2022, 12:47:11 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on October 04, 2022, 12:01:28 PM

Quote from: kirbykart on October 04, 2022, 08:36:23 AM
Stub ramp on I-86/NY 17 WB approaching Bemus Point.
https://goo.gl/maps/6A9oraYxfQnxdj7QA

That is an abandoned rest area.  Switch to aerial images to see it.  Interestingly, the most recent aerial image shows it to be in use.   :spin:

Quote from: mgk920 on October 04, 2022, 12:07:25 PM
Also, check out the 2022-dated streetview shots of it.  When I drove the highway in the very late 1990s, it was also closed off.

1.  I can't find any aerial view of it showing that it's in use.

2.  I can't find any 2022 GSV shots.

Gore point on EB I-86 (dated 2021):
https://goo.gl/maps/1sPobSGYRVhcAi7h8
Aerial image of rest aera in use:
https://goo.gl/maps/8s2r2dd9AL1jCwPM8
GSV in rest area:
https://goo.gl/maps/7yWq7jiNijAWQisU9

:nod:

Mike

That is for the EASTBOUND rest area!!!!!!!!! The westbound has been abandoned for decades.



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