Worst 4-way STOP sign controlled intersections?

[Flint1979]

M-46 on the eastern side of Michigan:

M-46 and M-15 both meet at a 4 way stop but both routes are 40 mph and M-15 crosses M-46 on an angle.

M-46 and M-53 meet at a 4 way stop.

I'm not sure if these are the worst. The one with M-46 and M-15 might be a bad one to someone else but for me it's not a bad one.

There are some along M-57 such as it's intersections with M-13 and M-52 but those really aren't bad one's either, they are just state highways intersecting pretty much in the middle of nowhere.

[Throckmorton]

   
85th and Prospect in Kansas City, MO.   
   
It used to have standard traffic signals as you can see in this GSV image from 2008.   
   
https://goo.gl/maps/JvwUCrTarwB2
   
Now, in this shot from April 2017, the signal lights are long gone. I'd say it's about time to remove the, "Signal Scheduled for Removal," notice.   
   
https://goo.gl/maps/rjd8rJEqeY62
   
The previous arrangement was unusual in it's function. There are Union Pacific tracks running diagonally that cross both streets. If you go to the satellite view from either of those street views you will see what I am talking about.   
   
A minute or so before a train would come through the traffic signals would begin flashing red for all directions. Then the boom barriers would drop and the RR signals would flash.   
   
I am not sure if this is a standard practice for other similar RR crossings or if it's just something KCMO and UP dreamed up.   
   
Anyway, now it's a four way stop for reasons I am not privy to.   
   
An interesting side note for railroad enthusiasts. There is a stub north and east of the intersection in the sat view where one of the UP Gas Turbine Electric locomotives sat for several years.   
   
   

[ftballfan]

Kalamazoo Ave and 84th St in Gaines Township, south of Grand Rapids: https://goo.gl/maps/j2PEzvxcnHF2

As of 2015, still a four way stop, despite the township offices being on the SW corner and a megachurch being on the NE corner. I wouldn't be surprised to see this become a stoplight soon with South Christian HS soon to be relocating to Kalamazoo just north of this intersection (which will open at the site in fall 2019): https://www.schs.org/building-update-video-7/

[Flint1979]

There is also one at M-83's northern terminus at M-15.

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[ftballfan]

Some more that are bad (especially those between state highways and local roads):
M-20 at Oceana Drive (Oceana County): https://goo.gl/maps/gnJXWFEwAE52 [Oceana Drive was US-31, but the US-31 freeway in that area dates back to the mid 1970s]
US-10 at M-66 (Osceola County): https://goo.gl/maps/yxQzAvNB3bn

Can't think of any in Washtenaw County, since they seem to love roundabouts as much as Germans love David Hasselhoff

[Flint1979]

Some more that are bad (especially those between state highways and local roads):
M-20 at Oceana Drive (Oceana County): https://goo.gl/maps/gnJXWFEwAE52 [Oceana Drive was US-31, but the US-31 freeway in that area dates back to the mid 1970s]
US-10 at M-66 (Osceola County): https://goo.gl/maps/yxQzAvNB3bn

Can't think of any in Washtenaw County, since they seem to love roundabouts as much as Germans love David Hasselhoff

There are so many in Michigan that I can't think of either. I've recalled all the one's I can think of currently though. When I made my last post about M-83 and M-15 I was at the stop sign when I made my post and a few minutes before that was at the four way stop at M-15 and M-46. There is also a four way stop at M-15 and M-81 and that one is rather bad because M-15 is a four lane divided highway in that stretch and M-81 is a two lane highway. I was coming off of M-15 making a left onto M-81 and couldn't figure out if I came up to the sign first or if the oncoming car I was waiting for did. It seems like M-15 has a lot of the four way stop signs along with M-46. M-15 has another dangerous feature to it as well, just south of I-69 it crosses Lippencott and has an S curve that is among the most dangerous stretch of highway in Michigan.

[Flint1979]

I'm going with M-15 and M-81 for my area.

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.4503334,-83.754649,3a,75y,334.09h,88.69t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skffyV1M-gfyWnH_TZDx_Lw!2e0!7i3328!8i1664

[PHLBOS]

I forget who said it, but someone on this forum says that there are way too many 4-way stops in southeastern Pennsylvania. These are intersections where 4-way stops are more than what's needed, not less.

That would be me.  The majority of these were clearly erected for speed-control/traffic calming purposes; which most of us here know is an MUTCD no-no.

[inkyatari]

Whenever I make my way back to the part of Northern Illinois generally centered around DeKalb, there seem to be a lot of 4 way stops where I question the need for it. Each Illinois state route intersection that's not in town is a 4 way stop regardless of whether it needs it.

Don't get me started.  My brother in law used to live in Kinsman, about 15-20 miles north of DeKalb, and it seems that on Annie Glidden Rd. between the two towns there's a stop sign every mile.

[kphoger]

Whenever I make my way back to the part of Northern Illinois generally centered around DeKalb, there seem to be a lot of 4 way stops where I question the need for it. Each Illinois state route intersection that's not in town is a 4 way stop regardless of whether it needs it.

Don't get me started.  My brother in law used to live in Kinsman, about 15-20 miles north of DeKalb, and it seems that on Annie Glidden Rd. between the two towns there's a stop sign every mile.

I'll assume you meant Kingston, not Kinsman.

Out of curiosity, I checked this out.  Starting at the intersection with Dresser Road...
1 mile to Bethany Road – 4-way stop
½ mile to Rich Road – 4-way stop
2 miles to Route 64 – 4-way stop
1 mile to Old State Road – 4-way stop
5½ miles to Route 72 – 4-way stop

[inkyatari]

Whenever I make my way back to the part of Northern Illinois generally centered around DeKalb, there seem to be a lot of 4 way stops where I question the need for it. Each Illinois state route intersection that's not in town is a 4 way stop regardless of whether it needs it.

Don't get me started.  My brother in law used to live in Kinsman, about 15-20 miles north of DeKalb, and it seems that on Annie Glidden Rd. between the two towns there's a stop sign every mile.

I'll assume you meant Kingston, not Kinsman.

Out of curiosity, I checked this out.  Starting at the intersection with Dresser Road...
1 mile to Bethany Road – 4-way stop
½ mile to Rich Road – 4-way stop
2 miles to Route 64 – 4-way stop
1 mile to Old State Road – 4-way stop
5½ miles to Route 72 – 4-way stop

Duh.  I live near Kinsman.  He lived in Kingston.

[SSOWorld]

https://goo.gl/maps/cAq3Fp8AQBU2 -
Asbury Rd/University Ave in Dubuque - The latter has 4 lanes and it's always chaos for who goes first.

[jeffandnicole]

https://goo.gl/maps/cAq3Fp8AQBU2 -
Asbury Rd/University Ave in Dubuque - The latter has 4 lanes and it's always chaos for who goes first.

And a Stop sign set back from the intersection on a telephone pole, with no stop bar!  https://goo.gl/maps/qfrWMvME4gT2

[kphoger]

https://goo.gl/maps/cAq3Fp8AQBU2 -
Asbury Rd/University Ave in Dubuque - The latter has 4 lanes and it's always chaos for who goes first.

And a Stop sign set back from the intersection on a telephone pole, with no stop bar!  https://goo.gl/maps/qfrWMvME4gT2

Is also not a 4-way STOP sign controlled intersection.

[Flint1979]

A lot of these state highways intersect in the middle of nowhere for the most part.

[Flint1979]

M-52 has a nightly four way stop with Swan Creek Road a few miles south of it's northern terminus. During the day it's a normal traffic light.

[webny99]

A lot of these state highways intersect in the middle of nowhere for the most part.

In my opinion that is in fact why they are problematic/annoying. Slowdowns are expected in urban areas, in rural areas to stop unnecessarily is an inconvenience. In many cases, these would be better served by a roundabout, or a two-way stop with no traffic control on the busier route.

[Flint1979]

A lot of these state highways intersect in the middle of nowhere for the most part.

In my opinion that is in fact why they are problematic/annoying. Slowdowns are expected in urban areas, in rural areas to stop unnecessarily is an inconvenience. In many cases, these would be better served by a roundabout, or a two-way stop with no traffic control on the busier route.

One example I can think of where there is a roundabout is M-115 and M-37.
Then you have M-37 and M-55 intersecting in the middle of the Manistee National Forest at a four way stop.
M-46 and M-66 multiplex for about 3-4 miles, the western end of the multiplex has a regular traffic light while the eastern end has a stop sign for M-66 but not M-46, then continues north as a county road still called Sheridan Road until it runs as the county line between Isabella and Mecosta Counties.

[roadman65]

In Lake Buena Vista, FL you have Palm Parkway and Lake Street have a four way intersection that has too many cars going to figure out who is first.  The intersection was only a ruse to get motorists traveling 45 mph on Palm Parkway to slow down to the 30 mph speed zone in the resort section.  The intersection is at the change in speeds.

Then Deerfield Blvd. at Balmcome Road in Southchase is outlived its use.  A signal needs to be erected with all the traffic that transits it.

[doorknob60]

Figured it would be better to bump this thread rather than start a new one, but I found one while browsing around on Google Maps today.

The intersection of MS-15/MS-25 and MS-14. MS-25 is a mostly free flowing, 4 lane, divided 65 MPH expressway, with many grade separated interchanges. How this ended up here, I have no idea. As far as I can tell, the Speed Limit is still 65 through the intersection, too, not like the highway drops to 35 then meanders through town (that would be pretty standard, and a 4 way stop wouldn't be too shocking in that situation).


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[roadman]

The intersection of Chestnut Street/Emerson Street in Wakefield, MA is, IMO, the most unwarranted 4 way stop in the entire country.  Ironically, the neighborhood has recently raised a fuss about people disregarding stop signs in the area in general.  Gee, I wonder why that is? /s

[Chris19001]

I forget who said it, but someone on this forum says that there are way too many 4-way stops in southeastern Pennsylvania. These are intersections where 4-way stops are more than what's needed, not less.

That would be me.  The majority of these were clearly erected for speed-control/traffic calming purposes; which most of us here know is an MUTCD no-no.

I'll second this.  My personal least favorite would snag me going to work everyday on Sumneytown Pike (a state Highway) and Swedesford Road (a non-arterial).
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.2039712,-75.2596429,3a,75y,272.35h,94.53t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sswlEw4BG628hCMa0EIhZKw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
I can't explain why it angered me aside from the fact that the 4 way was put in about 6-7 years ago to only benefit light traffic on Swedesford..  (I know, selfish of me) 
In defense, it probably has reduced accidents there.

[1995hoo]

I have always disliked the all-way stop at the southern end of Autoroute 15 in Quebec. You're on a controlled-access highway with a speed limit of 100 and then you hit a stop sign. I do understand why it's set up this way, both to slow people down before the border and to allow access for the other road at a location where an interchange would be difficult to construct due to the proximity to the border, but I note the northbound traffic on I-87 doesn't go through stop signs to control speed. (Obviously, the location below is not subject to the American MUTCD.)

https://goo.gl/maps/auuUjPeEJFcYdBBDA

[vdeane]

I have always disliked the all-way stop at the southern end of Autoroute 15 in Quebec. You're on a controlled-access highway with a speed limit of 100 and then you hit a stop sign. I do understand why it's set up this way, both to slow people down before the border and to allow access for the other road at a location where an interchange would be difficult to construct due to the proximity to the border, but I note the northbound traffic on I-87 doesn't go through stop signs to control speed. (Obviously, the location below is not subject to the American MUTCD.)

https://goo.gl/maps/auuUjPeEJFcYdBBDA

I'd question if an intersection needs to exist there at all.  Traffic that uses that could just as easily use exit 1.  Canada seems to like this sort of thing, for some reason - A-55 has a traffic light, and NB 95 and BC 99 both have at-grades right next to customs too.

[SectorZ]

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5906092,-71.2407761,3a,75y,327.34h,78.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sz3UtWP4MF3Ybanb2tamABg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

This is actually a 5-way due to a side road being built off of it many years later. This intersection has fairly high traffic volume morning and evening, and it can become chaos because each side of the intersection is so far apart that no one can sync up with each other. My town wants to change it at some point, chiefly by making Chandler St have a stop sign at Whipple at a 90 degree angle in each spot.