I'm guessing that US 60 is a contender. A lot of US highways end at it. Are there any highways that have more termini?
US 1 along the East Coast would be a contender among north-south routes.
US-60 is probably close- it's got US-93, US-70, US-641, US-431, US-42, US-501, US-522, and US-58.
US-62, maybe? US-85, US-266, US-167, US-49, US-68...eh, nope.
Quote from: corco on October 19, 2012, 01:48:36 PM
US-60 is probably close- it's got US-93, US-70, US-641, US-431, US-42, US-501, US-522, and US-58.
Also, US 460 twice. Formerly had US 35 and US 68 (which once was co-signed with US 60 and US 62 into Paducah).
US-277 ends concurrent with US-62. 62 merges onto I-44 while 277 just ends. Would that count as "ending at" 62?
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 19, 2012, 02:06:31 PM
US-277 ends concurrent with US-62. 62 merges onto I-44 while 277 just ends. Would that count as "ending at" 62?
No. It ends at I-44.
If a highway is concurrent with another route when it ends, I wouldn't consider that the one ended at the other. But maybe the author of the OP should make a ruling on whether or not this counts. How about it, bugo?
As for the question, I'd have to check, but it makes sense that the longer a route is, the more highways will end on it. So the earlier guesses of US 60 and US 1 are both good possibilities. I think US 17 is up there, as it's the coastal route in the US Highway-heavy south Atlantic Coast. US 20 probably ends its share east of Chicago.
Some quick scripting on the US highway data from the CHM project gives me these as our leaders:
10 US90
10 US60
9 US41
9 US1
7 US64
7 US59
7 US11
6 US98
6 US20
6 US2
6 US17
5 US89
5 US191
5 US101
I don't promise they're perfect. But at least the first several here are the only likely candidates.
Here are the specifics for our top 4:
US90 is the end of al.us031.wpt
US90 is the end of al.us043.wpt
US90 is the end of fl.us029.wpt
US90 is the end of la.us011.wpt
US90 is the end of la.us061.wpt
US90 is the end of la.us165.wpt
US90 is the end of la.us171.wpt
US90 is the end of la.us190.wpt
US90 is the end of ms.us049.wpt
US90 is the end of tx.us285.wpt
US60 is the end of az.us070.wpt
US60 is the end of az.us093.wpt
US60 is the end of ky.us042.wpt
US60 is the end of ky.us431.wpt
US60 is the end of ky.us460.wpt
US60 is the end of ky.us641.wpt
US60 is the end of va.us058.wpt
US60 is the end of va.us460.wpt
US60 is the end of va.us501.wpt
US60 is the end of va.us522.wpt
US41 is the end of fl.us017.wpt
US41 is the end of fl.us019.wpt
US41 is the end of fl.us301.wpt
US41 is the end of fl.us441.wpt
US41 is the end of ga.us341.wpt
US41 is the end of il.us014.wpt
US41 is the end of in.us231.wpt
US41 is the end of mi.us141.wpt
US41 is the end of tn.us441.wpt
US1 is the end of fl.us023.wpt
US1 is the end of fl.us027.wpt
US1 is the end of ga.us319.wpt
US1 is the end of md.us222.wpt
US1 is the end of me.us201.wpt
US1 is the end of nc.us220.wpt
US1 is the end of nj.us022.wpt
US1 is the end of nj.us130.wpt
US1 is the end of pa.us013.wpt
US 46.
Quote from: hbelkins on October 19, 2012, 07:58:48 PM
Quote from: Jim on October 19, 2012, 05:42:02 PM
US41 is the end of tn.us441.wpt
???????
Well look at that - error in CHM's US 441 file. It ends at US 25W. Knock one off US 41's total. I'll submit a report there.
I'm thinking US 90 or US 98 would be a contender
Quote from: kphoger on October 19, 2012, 05:45:39 PM
US 46.
US 46 ends midspan of the GWB. It is actually duplexed with US 1, US 9, and I-95. US 9W would qualify more as its southern terminus is with US 1 in Fort Lee.
Quote from: roadman65 on October 20, 2012, 07:21:30 PM
Quote from: kphoger on October 19, 2012, 05:45:39 PM
US 46.
US 46 ends midspan of the GWB. It is actually duplexed with US 1, US 9, and I-95. US 9W would qualify more as its southern terminus is with US 1 in Fort Lee.
I wondered how long it would be until someone replied. :evilgrin:
Would US90 bump to 11 because they are currently connecting(again), US290 back to US90 in Houston.
US 290 is being extended in Houston?
Now if you are talking what US highway has the most US highways that end in one spot, then a heavy favorite is/was Public Square, Cleveland Ohio.
In Downtown Cleveland, US-21, US-42, US-322 and US-422 all end (or used to end) at the multiplex of US-6/US-20, giving us 4 endings at a 6-route junction (not including the half-dozen or so additional State Routes which also terminate(d) there as well).
I suspect the real leader, without wanting to look it up, is the Canadian border.
Quote from: DandyDan on October 22, 2012, 06:57:54 AM
I suspect the real leader, without wanting to look it up, is the Canadian border.
What is the route number for the Canadian border?
US 0.
US 220 in NY. :)
Was it already mentioned?
Quote from: Roadsguy on October 22, 2012, 12:46:52 PM
US 220 in NY. :)
Was it already mentioned?
Methinks you got lost on your way to the other thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=7914.0).
Quote from: Jim on October 19, 2012, 08:50:03 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 19, 2012, 07:58:48 PM
Quote from: Jim on October 19, 2012, 05:42:02 PM
US41 is the end of tn.us441.wpt
???????
Well look at that - error in CHM's US 441 file. It ends at US 25W. Knock one off US 41's total. I'll submit a report there.
Actually it does end at US 41, but not in Tennessee, but Miami, FL (https://maps.google.com/?ll=25.765982,-80.207587&spn=0.008261,0.016512&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=25.766097,-80.207452&panoid=JwGTdrBlofQmbrvRbZbclw&cbp=12,253.36,,0,13.98).
Quote from: Kacie Jane on October 22, 2012, 01:00:38 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on October 22, 2012, 12:46:52 PM
US 220 in NY. :)
Was it already mentioned?
Methinks you got lost on your way to the other thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=7914.0).
Did I seriously post this in the wrong thread? :banghead: (I had them both open at the same time.)
Quote from: kphoger on October 22, 2012, 10:33:15 AM
Quote from: DandyDan on October 22, 2012, 06:57:54 AM
I suspect the real leader, without wanting to look it up, is the Canadian border.
What is the route number for the Canadian border?
Quote from: NE2 on October 22, 2012, 10:48:12 AM
US 0.
Perfectly valid answer. :-D :-D :-D
On US 1, I happened to count 55 junctions. This counting both US 378 and US 15 & 501 twice, and counting US 206 in Trenton as its business route does intersect it.
It does not seem that many other US routes end at it. US 98 is questionable as there is a sign in Palm Beach on FL A1A does have signs posted there even though EB signage ends at US 1.
US 41
US 27
US 23
US 319
US 401
US 130
US 22
US 46 (it does end while concurrent not at it head on, but we might as well consider it)
US 9W
US 4
US 302
US 201
US 2
I am certain that none are left out, but if I did that still is not much of endings. Remember, most of US 1 is miles away from the ocean and even in Florida, both US 92 and US 192 still transit another 2 miles east before they end.
Quote from: roadman65 on October 27, 2012, 09:47:39 PM
On US 1, I happened to count 55 junctions. This counting both US 378 and US 15 & 501 twice, and counting US 206 in Trenton as its business route does intersect it.
It does not seem that many other US routes end at it. US 98 is questionable as there is a sign in Palm Beach on FL A1A does have signs posted there even though EB signage ends at US 1.
US 41
US 27
US 23
US 319
US 401
US 130
US 22
US 46 (it does end while concurrent not at it head on, but we might as well consider it)
US 9W
US 4
US 302
US 201
US 2
I am certain that none are left out, but if I did that still is not much of endings. Remember, most of US 1 is miles away from the ocean and even in Florida, both US 92 and US 192 still transit another 2 miles east before they end.
I believe US 2 continues east from US 1 to the Canadian border.
Quote from: DandyDan on October 28, 2012, 06:56:34 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on October 27, 2012, 09:47:39 PM
big unsnipped quote
I believe US 2 continues east from US 1 to the Canadian border.
I believe there's a site that can answer that: http://www.usends.com/
Incidentally US 4 ends at I-95 and US 1
Bypass, and US 302 no longer ends at US 1 now that it's been rerouted onto I-295.
I think US 302 does end at US 1 still. Look at the signage for Exit 6 on I-295 & US 1.
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Portland,+ME&hl=en&ll=43.660676,-70.273463&spn=0.003951,0.010568&sll=27.698638,-83.804601&sspn=9.892242,21.643066&oq=portla&hnear=Portland,+Cumberland,+Maine&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=43.660676,-70.273463&panoid=_4XgdOwp_Zi6Kr06Fl_8ww&cbp=12,55.54,,0,0
US 2 is correct, though.
Quote from: NE2 on October 28, 2012, 07:08:31 AM
Quote from: DandyDan on October 28, 2012, 06:56:34 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on October 27, 2012, 09:47:39 PM
fairly small unsnipped quote, actually, if you think about it
I believe US 2 continues east from US 1 to the Canadian border.
I believe there's a site that can answer that: http://www.usends.com/
Incidentally US 4 ends at I-95 and US 1 Bypass, and US 302 no longer ends at US 1 now that it's been rerouted onto I-295.
Bypass 1 is de facto 1 for the time being, anyway, so I say count it. Goomaps has 302 ending at 295/1, and believe it or not, your own link to US Ends undoes your assertion - US 302 was rerouted to maintain its end at 1.
Quote from: Steve on October 28, 2012, 07:27:14 AM
believe it or not, your own link to US Ends undoes your assertion - US 302 was rerouted to maintain its end at 1.
Hmmm, depends on whether you believe the DOT end sign or the DOT log. All the photos on http://www.usends.com/Focus/Portland/index.html predate the rerouting of US 1, but the Goog (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=43.658135,-70.266511&spn=0.007079,0.016512&gl=us&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=43.658135,-70.266511&panoid=TDfgZvKDyg19d8uHpNYJAA&cbp=12,168.72,,0,4.74) shows that the end sign remained when the US 1 sign was removed.
Quote from: NE2 on October 28, 2012, 07:39:20 AM
Quote from: Steve on October 28, 2012, 07:27:14 AM
believe it or not, your own link to US Ends undoes your assertion - US 302 was rerouted to maintain its end at 1.
Hmmm, depends on whether you believe the DOT end sign or the DOT log. All the photos on http://www.usends.com/Focus/Portland/index.html predate the rerouting of US 1, but the Goog (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=43.658135,-70.266511&spn=0.007079,0.016512&gl=us&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=43.658135,-70.266511&panoid=TDfgZvKDyg19d8uHpNYJAA&cbp=12,168.72,,0,4.74) shows that the end sign remained when the US 1 sign was removed.
I believe the log. End signs are often proven erroneous, like CR 529 NB in NJ (most immediate example that leapt to mind, there are of course others).
Quote from: Steve on October 28, 2012, 09:41:06 PM
I believe the log. End signs are often proven erroneous, like CR 529 NB in NJ (most immediate example that leapt to mind, there are of course others).
There's a difference between an end sign in the middle of the route and one that makes a logical end.
How about the END US 202 at I-95 in Delaware?
It's placed where it would be correct if the route ended at US 202. Hence in the middle of the route, even if it's not directly on the route itself.
Quote from: NE2 on October 29, 2012, 11:09:54 AM
It's placed where it would be correct if the route ended at US 202. Hence in the middle of the route, even if it's not directly on the route itself.
My point stands that END signs are not always correct.
Your point is actually that they're not always consistent with other signs. But logs are not always internally consistent either. There is no Word from God on which alignment is 'correct'. And signs are much more visible than logs, so when they are consistent with each other, it makes more sense (for many purposes) to follow them in picking the best approximation of an elusive 'correct' alignment (taking into account quirks like not signing a route that's about to end, just as one needs to deal with logs that don't include overlaps).
Another way of putting it is that if MDOT were serious about the log being canonical, they'd take better care to match the signs to it.
In some places you have touring routes that don't match the signed route. Let's take NJ 7 as an example we're both familiar with. NJ 7 is posted as one route in the field but the logs show two separate routes. (Excluding the relatively new overhead signs confirming the logs, which only came about in the last ten years,) Which one would you have taken as the correct one? Logs. Logs are always correct unless proven otherwise, and an END sign is not proof positive.
Quote from: Steve on October 29, 2012, 06:54:31 PM
In some places you have touring routes that don't match the signed route. Let's take NJ 7 as an example we're both familiar with. NJ 7 is posted as one route in the field but the logs show two separate routes. (Excluding the relatively new overhead signs confirming the logs, which only came about in the last ten years,) Which one would you have taken as the correct one? Logs. Logs are always correct unless proven otherwise, and an END sign is not proof positive.
your sentence is a tiny bit ambiguous. do you mean that NJ 7 is in two distinct segments, and connected with roads which are signed as NJ 7 but are not officially so? (i.e. like CA 39)
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 29, 2012, 07:16:17 PM
Quote from: Steve on October 29, 2012, 06:54:31 PM
In some places you have touring routes that don't match the signed route. Let's take NJ 7 as an example we're both familiar with. NJ 7 is posted as one route in the field but the logs show two separate routes. (Excluding the relatively new overhead signs confirming the logs, which only came about in the last ten years,) Which one would you have taken as the correct one? Logs. Logs are always correct unless proven otherwise, and an END sign is not proof positive.
your sentence is a tiny bit ambiguous. do you mean that NJ 7 is in two distinct segments, and connected with roads which are signed as NJ 7 but are not officially so? (i.e. like CA 39)
I should let Steve take this one, especially since you asked him, but since I'm here... NJ 7 consists of a north-south segment and an east-west segment. IIRC, the east-west segment technically ends just short of the north-south segment for no good reason. The road continues to the north-south segment, which would create a continuous route, except for the fact that the north-south segment continues for several blocks past the east-west segment.
(In other words, it's shaped like a sideways T, with a small gap between the two portions.)
Quote from: Kacie Jane on October 29, 2012, 08:44:24 PM
I should let Steve take this one, especially since you asked him, but since I'm here... NJ 7 consists of a north-south segment and an east-west segment. IIRC, the east-west segment technically ends just short of the north-south segment for no good reason. The road continues to the north-south segment, which would create a continuous route, except for the fact that the north-south segment continues for several blocks past the east-west segment.
(In other words, it's shaped like a sideways T, with a small gap between the two portions.)
I wonder why they decided on that numbering scheme. it seems logical to me that one of the segments would be better signed with a number of opposite parity. (I can't remember if NJ is odd-north-south or odd-east-west.)
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 29, 2012, 08:56:49 PM
I wonder why they decided on that numbering scheme. it seems logical to me that one of the segments would be better signed with a number of opposite parity. (I can't remember if NJ is odd-north-south or odd-east-west.)
NJ is neither. And the answer I gave is how the route is
logged. The route is
signed as a continuous route from the northern terminus to the eastern terminus, bannered entirely north/south. From what I could tell on GSV, the tail of the north/south portion has no reassurance markers, nor an end sign, but traffic light overheads from intersecting streets do mark it as NJ 7. The non-state-maintained part of the east/west portion also lacks reassurance markers, except for one immediately after the intersection of NJ 7 & NJ 7, but also lacks the traffic light overheads.
Quote from: Kacie Jane on October 29, 2012, 08:44:24 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 29, 2012, 07:16:17 PM
Quote from: Steve on October 29, 2012, 06:54:31 PM
In some places you have touring routes that don't match the signed route. Let's take NJ 7 as an example we're both familiar with. NJ 7 is posted as one route in the field but the logs show two separate routes. (Excluding the relatively new overhead signs confirming the logs, which only came about in the last ten years,) Which one would you have taken as the correct one? Logs. Logs are always correct unless proven otherwise, and an END sign is not proof positive.
your sentence is a tiny bit ambiguous. do you mean that NJ 7 is in two distinct segments, and connected with roads which are signed as NJ 7 but are not officially so? (i.e. like CA 39)
I should let Steve take this one, especially since you asked him, but since I'm here... NJ 7 consists of a north-south segment and an east-west segment. IIRC, the east-west segment technically ends just short of the north-south segment for no good reason. The road continues to the north-south segment, which would create a continuous route, except for the fact that the north-south segment continues for several blocks past the east-west segment.
(In other words, it's shaped like a sideways T, with a small gap between the two portions.)
No, there's no really good reason for it. NJ 7
may have been signed up from downtown Newark back in the 20s, but state maintenance has always ended at the border and so has the route for as long as I've known. The eastern segment just ends at the Passaic River, but there's no clear reason why. It would be trivial to swap Washington St. for Belleville Tpk., segments of roughly equal length in the same county.
As for how routes are signed, NJ used the cluster method originally for routes 1-50, and then later 2-digit numbers were just assigned with no clear pattern. Anything from 1-50 that doesn't fit the clusters was renumbered, such as NJ 17 replacing NJ 2. Sometimes, you get coincidences, like NJ 31 fitting the cluster because it was originally NJ 30, but it had been renumbered to NJ 69 in the interim.
Anyway, this is all drifting from the original point, which was actually related to the topic at hand.