Poor Sign Placement

[kphoger]

I just ignore all the signs in parking lots.  Stop for pedestrians, don't stop if there aren't any.

[hbelkins]

[cjk374]

The hill isn't the only thing blocking a view. 

[freebrickproductions]

Here's a head scratcher: a TN 22 shield posted at the Tennessee/Kentucky state line, for traffic leaving Tennessee
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.4973481,-89.4932173,3a,44.8y,57.04h,83.42t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s2bByMRkgXztedDW0HrJEeg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

[lordsutch]

Here's a head scratcher: a TN 22 shield posted at the Tennessee/Kentucky state line, for traffic leaving Tennessee
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.4973481,-89.4932173,3a,44.8y,57.04h,83.42t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s2bByMRkgXztedDW0HrJEeg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

I wonder if it was supposed to be an END banner instead of a NORTH banner and the signing crew screwed up.

Notably, if you go north neither Kentucky nor the county seem to want to take credit for the houses or the first few hundred feet of roadway in their jurisdiction.

[Brian556]

This situation used to exist at the south end of FM 2499 at the Denton/ Tarrant County Line. The sing even remained well over a decade after FM 2499 was moved to its new alignment

[Scott5114]

I just ignore all the signs in parking lots.  Stop for pedestrians, don't stop if there aren't any.

I have a policy of following parking lot signs if they are MUTCD-compliant and ignoring them if they're not. If you can't be bothered to make your stop sign use the right font, I can't be bothered to stop. (This leads to really silly behavior when it comes to a hospital we frequent, because one stop sign is more or less compliant and the other isn't. I figure they're not too serious about people stopping there because there are stop signs for inbound traffic only, and outbound has no requirement to stop.)

Of course, I stop if there are pedestrians actively using the crosswalk regardless of the signs.

[amroad17]

Here's a head scratcher: a TN 22 shield posted at the Tennessee/Kentucky state line, for traffic leaving Tennessee
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.4973481,-89.4932173,3a,44.8y,57.04h,83.42t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s2bByMRkgXztedDW0HrJEeg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

Technically, it is TN 22 for another three feet.  (and ducks)

[DTComposer]

Here's a head scratcher: a TN 22 shield posted at the Tennessee/Kentucky state line, for traffic leaving Tennessee
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.4973481,-89.4932173,3a,44.8y,57.04h,83.42t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s2bByMRkgXztedDW0HrJEeg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

Technically, it is TN 22 for another three feet.  (and ducks)

Interestingly, while the Tennessee State Line sign (knocked over) is right there, the "Welcome to Kentucky" sign is another 400 feet down the road - maybe it's some sort of DMZ between the states?

[freebrickproductions]

Here's a head scratcher: a TN 22 shield posted at the Tennessee/Kentucky state line, for traffic leaving Tennessee
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.4973481,-89.4932173,3a,44.8y,57.04h,83.42t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s2bByMRkgXztedDW0HrJEeg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

Technically, it is TN 22 for another three feet.  (and ducks)

Interestingly, while the Tennessee State Line sign (knocked over) is right there, the "Welcome to Kentucky" sign is another 400 feet down the road - maybe it's some sort of DMZ between the states?

Well, Kentucky was one of the slave-holding "border" states that remained in the Union during the American Civil War, so maybe there's still a few old feelings that haven't died down yet?

[jakeroot]

I guess the error would be the placement of the yield sign at all. Military @ S 200 St, Seatac, WA.

Setup is about a year old. The yield sign was updated with reflective tape along the post as well.

[riiga]

In case traffic lights are out perhaps? Or is that only an European thing?

[MNHighwayMan]

Definitely a European thing. This kind of setup is definitely not allowed by the MUTCD, as the green right arrow contradicts the YIELD sign in terms of what type of movements are permitted. (A right green arrow is supposed to give me permission to proceed with a right turn without needing to yield to anything.)

[jakeroot]

In case traffic lights are out perhaps? Or is that only an European thing?

Definitely a European thing. This kind of setup is definitely not allowed by the MUTCD, as the green right arrow contradicts the YIELD sign in terms of what type of movements are permitted. (A right green arrow is supposed to give me permission to proceed with a right turn without needing to yield to anything.)

Bingo. Some states (not Washington) do post signage for when traffic lights are out, but they are folded up for later use: https://goo.gl/6GeKsR.

[freebrickproductions]

In case traffic lights are out perhaps? Or is that only an European thing?

Definitely a European thing. This kind of setup is definitely not allowed by the MUTCD, as the green right arrow contradicts the YIELD sign in terms of what type of movements are permitted. (A right green arrow is supposed to give me permission to proceed with a right turn without needing to yield to anything.)

Bingo. Some states (not Washington) do post signage for when traffic lights are out, but they are folded up for later use: https://goo.gl/6GeKsR.

I saw that a bit up in PA when I was there around 5 years ago.

Hobson City, AL also had something similar where they had bagged-up stop signs posted around the one signal in the town. When they couldn't pay the power bill for the signal (and as such, the signal was shut off), the town would unbag the stop signs until they could get the money to pay the bill.
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.6203682,-85.8371459,3a,60y,3.71h,89.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sw-sZfeDJC6zvLzFJAjU5kg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
IIRC, the town has since removed the signal so it's now a 24/7 four-way stop.

[jakeroot]

Hobson City, AL also had something similar where they had bagged-up stop signs posted around the one signal in the town. When they couldn't pay the power bill for the signal (and as such, the signal was shut off), the town would unbag the stop signs until they could get the money to pay the bill.
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.6203682,-85.8371459,3a,60y,3.71h,89.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sw-sZfeDJC6zvLzFJAjU5kg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
IIRC, the town has since removed the signal so it's now a 24/7 four-way stop.

Jesus, that's awful. Didn't realize some towns were that poor. Judging by the Street View images, that signal probably wasn't necessary. Though it was cool!

The 2008 imagery seems to show the signal in operation with the stop signs unbagged. Huh? https://goo.gl/43cg1d

[freebrickproductions]

Hobson City, AL also had something similar where they had bagged-up stop signs posted around the one signal in the town. When they couldn't pay the power bill for the signal (and as such, the signal was shut off), the town would unbag the stop signs until they could get the money to pay the bill.
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.6203682,-85.8371459,3a,60y,3.71h,89.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sw-sZfeDJC6zvLzFJAjU5kg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
IIRC, the town has since removed the signal so it's now a 24/7 four-way stop.

Jesus, that's awful. Didn't realize some towns were that poor. Judging by the Street View images, that signal probably wasn't necessary. Though it was cool!

The 2008 imagery seems to show the signal in operation with the stop signs unbagged. Huh? https://goo.gl/43cg1d

I've noticed that as well I'm guessing the town either forgot to put the bags back on, or that was before they started bagging them. I'm willing to bet the signal was installed when the town was doing better and the area was still growing, as that part of Alabama's been quietly drying up for a while now...

[formulanone]

Here's a head scratcher: a TN 22 shield posted at the Tennessee/Kentucky state line, for traffic leaving Tennessee
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.4973481,-89.4932173,3a,44.8y,57.04h,83.42t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s2bByMRkgXztedDW0HrJEeg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

Technically, it is TN 22 for another three feet.  (and ducks)

Interestingly, while the Tennessee State Line sign (knocked over) is right there, the "Welcome to Kentucky" sign is another 400 feet down the road - maybe it's some sort of DMZ between the states?

It's part of the Kentucky Bend, so I suppose TDOT takes care the single paved road in and out of that region.

[bzakharin]

This sign here
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.398897,-74.5610695,3a,37.5y,187.19h,92.96t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1stw6R7QQaOVPs29hvSBsMAw!2e0!5s20111001T000000!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1
was removed during construction. This morning, they put the sign back up at nearly the same location... except that location now looks like this:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3989077,-74.561102,3a,75y,173.25h,92.7t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sWky7tn8FGo1iU-zRA41Nlg!2e0!5s20170701T000000!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1
So the sign is only visible to traffic entering from the Garden State Parkway. Oops. I suppose if they wanted to move the sign to near the thru lanes it wouldn't be 1000 feet any more...

[ErmineNotyours]

There's this solution for when you can't put the stop sign close to the intersection.  Have a smaller sign say "65 feet ahead", write "STOP" on the pavement, and put in a beacon.

[jakeroot]

Some more conflicting signage. One sign indicates the left lane turns left. The other indicates that it ends.

This image was taken several years ago in South Hill, WA -- both signs are long gone.

[paulthemapguy]

Come on...did you have to put the reassurance marker RIGHT THERE??


IL-I-57X337NA1Z by Paul Drives, on Flickr

[Brian556]

There's this solution for when you can't put the stop sign close to the intersection.  Have a smaller sign say "65 feet ahead", write "STOP" on the pavement, and put in a beacon.

There is no reason that they couldn't build an island for the stop sign

[ErmineNotyours]

Actually, this crossbuck is for a rail line that was recently converted to a trail.  They removed most of them, but left this one up and even placed a new stop sign in front of it.

Too-close stop sign in front of unneeded Railroad Crossing sign by Arthur Allen, on Flickr

[wanderer2575]

Manistee, MI.  This was taken shortly before the route assembly was replaced and relocated.