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Title: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: Crash_It on June 27, 2021, 04:26:16 PM
As shown by two of my most recent videos, it seems to become common for someone to block the left lane and not allow anyone else in front of them no matter what:


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Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: kphoger on July 08, 2021, 03:46:17 PM
While coming back to Wichita from Del Rio with my best friend, I was mildly irritated at his left lane behavior.  He gets over into the left lane early, and he doesn't dip back into the right lane to let people by as long as there's someone within sight that he plans to pass as well.  This behavior prompted a couple of drivers between OKC and Wichita to gun it around him in the right lane, and one even blared his horn at us.

When a driver with New Mexico plates gunned it around us in the right lane, my friend muttered "That's illegal in your state too".

— What's illegal? I asked
— Going around me in the right lane.
— I'm not aware of any state where that's illegal.
— It's illegal in Kansas.
— No it isn't.  I've never seen that law.  It is illegal to drive in the left lane when someone is wanting trying to get around you.

He slowly nodded his head and didn't say anything.
I don't know if he believed me or not.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 08, 2021, 03:47:27 PM
Never heard of the Left Lane Prius Facebook group?
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: achilles765 on July 08, 2021, 10:08:18 PM
I have never understood why it really matters which lane someone is in as long as they aren't driving too slowly.  I almost exclusively drive in the left lane but then again I am also usually driving about 5-10 miles over the speed limit.  I switch to the right lane only if there is not a lot of traffic ahead of me or someone is coming up behind me on the left and they are driving faster than I seem to be. 
When there's three or more lanes, I almost always stay in the center unless Im nearing an exit.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 08, 2021, 10:11:51 PM
I have never understood why it really matters which lane someone is in as long as they aren't driving too slowly.  I almost exclusively drive in the left lane but then again I am also usually driving about 5-10 miles over the speed limit.  I switch to the right lane only if there is not a lot of traffic ahead of me or someone is coming up behind me on the left and they are driving faster than I seem to be. 
When there's three or more lanes, I almost always stay in the center unless Im nearing an exit.

The OP has to be dramatic about a non-issue per usual.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: kphoger on July 08, 2021, 10:34:48 PM
I have never understood why it really matters which lane someone is in as long as they aren't driving too slowly.

(http://slowertraffickeepright.com/images/Highway.gif)

(Cue the guy who points out the following distances aren't realistic, thinking he's debunked it by doing so.)
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: Rothman on July 08, 2021, 11:39:55 PM
Never heard of the Left Lane Prius Facebook group?
My life is enriched now.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: jakeroot on July 09, 2021, 01:00:28 AM
Never heard of the Left Lane Prius Facebook group?
My life is enriched now.

Dear god, like half the posts in that group are all from WA. Very embarrassing.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: MikeTheActuary on July 09, 2021, 08:40:04 AM
I have never understood why it really matters which lane someone is in as long as they aren't driving too slowly.

Visibility.  If you are overtaking another vehicle, you want to be as visible as possible to that vehicle's driver, passing them on the driver's side of that vehicle.

While (with properly aligned mirrors) drivers should have visibility on both sides of their vehicles...the fact of the matter remains that because of visibility and convention it's safer to pass on the left in countries that drive on the right side of the road.

That doesn't even begin to consider that on properly-designed roads, you improve traffic flow and improve safety if there's consistency on which lanes move slower/faster than other lanes.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: 1 on July 09, 2021, 09:04:23 AM
Is this the first video where Crash_It did nothing wrong?
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 09, 2021, 09:19:47 AM
Is this the first video where Crash_It did nothing wrong?

No, in the first video he flashed his brights at the driver ahead of him in the left lane because the other car didn't switch from decelerating to accelerating within .00001 seconds of the light turning green, because as we all know, cross drivers never, ever run red lights, so there's never, ever any danger in getting out into the intersection as quickly as possible.

I don't know the laws about flashing your brights, but that's a dick move at the least.

I can't figure out if this guy is just doing this stuff for his videos, or if he always drives as if he owns the road and everybody should get out of his way.

Maybe he should move to Wyoming.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: kphoger on July 09, 2021, 01:01:42 PM

Is this the first video where Crash_It did nothing wrong?

No, in the first video he flashed his brights at the driver ahead of him in the left lane because the other car didn't switch from decelerating to accelerating within .00001 seconds of the light turning green, because as we all know, cross drivers never, ever run red lights, so there's never, ever any danger in getting out into the intersection as quickly as possible.

I don't know the laws about flashing your brights, but that's a dick move at the least.

If he was within 300 feet of the other driver, then he was prohibited by Illinois state law from using his high beams for any reason.

Quote from: 2016 Illinois Compiled Statutes
Chapter 625 - VEHICLES
 625 ILCS 5/ - Illinois Vehicle Code.
  Chapter 12 - Equipment Of Vehicles
   Sec. 12-210. Use of head lamps and auxiliary driving lamps.

(a) Whenever the driver of any vehicle equipped with an electric driving head lamp, driving head lamps, auxiliary driving lamp or auxiliary driving lamps is within 500 feet of another vehicle approaching from the opposite direction, the driver shall dim or drop such head lamp or head lamps and shall extinguish all auxiliary driving lamps.

(b) The driver of any vehicle equipped with an electric driving head lamp, head lamps, auxiliary driving lamp or auxiliary driving lamps shall dim or drop such head lamp or head lamps and shall extinguish all auxiliary driving lamps when there is another vehicle traveling in the same direction less than 300 feet to the front of him.

(c) No vehicle shall have the lighting system modified to allow more than 2 electric head lamps to be lighted while operating in the dimmed or dropped position.

(d) Nothing in this Section shall prohibit the use of auxiliary driving lamps, commonly referred to as "fog" lamps, when used in conjunction with head lamps, if such auxiliary driving lamps are adjusted and so aimed that the glaring rays are not projected into the eyes of drivers of oncoming vehicles.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: jakeroot on July 09, 2021, 01:21:56 PM
I would have assumed that flashing your high beams was protected by the first amendment as free speech.

I use my high beams to communicate with other drivers very often. Cops do it too. It's a way to alert numerous different conditions.

Leaving your high beams on because you're a moron is not speech and definitely not legal.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 09, 2021, 01:25:30 PM
I would have assumed that flashing your high beams was protected by the first amendment as free speech.

I use my high beams to communicate with other drivers very often. Cops do it too. It's a way to alert numerous different conditions.

Leaving your high beams on because you're a moron is not speech and definitely not legal.

Using them to alert someone about a potential safety hazard is fine. Using them because you are impatient and can't wait a few seconds for someone to get up to speed, not fine.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: kphoger on July 09, 2021, 01:43:32 PM
I would have assumed that flashing your high beams was protected by the first amendment as free speech.

I don't see how that could be any more protected as free speech than, say, driving with red headlights and blue taillights.

I use my high beams to communicate with other drivers very often. Cops do it too. It's a way to alert numerous different conditions.

Leaving your high beams on because you're a moron is not speech and definitely not legal.

I occasionally flash my high beams as well.  My point was that it's illegal, and Illinois law doesn't carve out any exceptions.

Using them to alert someone about a potential safety hazard is fine. Using them because you are impatient and can't wait a few seconds for someone to get up to speed, not fine.

As already stated:  socially acceptable, yes;  legal, no.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: 1995hoo on July 09, 2021, 01:57:53 PM
Regarding the First Amendment issue, courts in several states have cited the First Amendment to throw out tickets some cops have purported to issue to people who flashed their high-beams to warn of an upcoming speedtrap. In that sort of situation, if the state has a statute like the one kphoger quoted, the cop could probably issue a ticket for violation of that statute because it's a content-neutral restriction—as kphoger notes, the statute doesn't make a distinction as to why you're flashing your high-beams. But if the cop issues a ticket strictly because a driver was warning of a speedtrap, the driver is likely to win.

With all that said, some people have apparently decided that the longstanding custom of flashing your brights a few times at someone who is blocking the left lane is an asshole move and I'm not sure why that practice is suddenly being deemed taboo all of a sudden. It's long been universally understood as a simple request to get out of the way. However, here in the DC area there's an annoying fad where people who don't like something you do will turn on their high-beams and keep them on as though it's some way to "teach you a lesson" or "send a message." That's stupid, rude, and dangerous, especially if you have newer headlights.

(I didn't watch the OP's video, BTW, and at first I didn't realize it was a Crash_It thread. Referring strictly to the subject line, however, I do think left-lane camping is unfortunately all too common and there's no reason for it. It's one thing in urban areas with heavy traffic—often it's simply impractical to get over. It's quite another on rural Interstates where there's simply no reason to be in the left lane. In Maryland, I sometimes feel like I'm on a British motorway—Maryland drivers are so terrified of the right lane that you can usually get through faster if you keep right.)
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: CtrlAltDel on July 09, 2021, 02:04:04 PM
I would have assumed that flashing your high beams was protected by the first amendment as free speech.

I don't see how that could be any more protected as free speech than, say, driving with red headlights and blue taillights.

There have been plenty of court cases about it. See the Wiki (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headlight_flashing#United_States) for a brief rundown. Most of these cases revolve around flashing high beams to warn drivers of speed traps and other similar dangers, though, and not to intimidate them.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: zzcarp on July 09, 2021, 02:04:39 PM
I would have assumed that flashing your high beams was protected by the first amendment as free speech.

I don't see how that could be any more protected as free speech than, say, driving with red headlights and blue taillights.

I use my high beams to communicate with other drivers very often. Cops do it too. It's a way to alert numerous different conditions.

Leaving your high beams on because you're a moron is not speech and definitely not legal.

I occasionally flash my high beams as well.  My point was that it's illegal, and Illinois law doesn't carve out any exceptions.

Using them to alert someone about a potential safety hazard is fine. Using them because you are impatient and can't wait a few seconds for someone to get up to speed, not fine.

As already stated:  socially acceptable, yes;  legal, no.

In many if not most places, flashing your high beams is protected speech. This google search (https://www.google.com/search?q=flashing+high+beams+protected&oq=flashing+high+beams+protected&aqs=chrome..69i57.4754j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8) brings up many cases - Tennessee, Ohio, Oregon are the first three states, and there probably are others.

Now, in the real world, revenuers police may decide to pull you over for whatever reason including flashing your lights and find a legal reason later. That's always something to be aware of.

Regarding the OP, in Colorado we have a "Keep Right Except to Pass" law. It's rarely enforced in my experience, though people traveling below the speed limit in the left lane is as or more dangerous than speeding. Many times driving from Denver to Colorado Springs (including this 4th of July) I've found the far right lane of I-25 south of C-470 is the only lane where one can accelerate and do the speed limit until traffic sorts itself out halfway to Castle Rock.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: kphoger on July 09, 2021, 02:18:06 PM
Now, in the real world, revenuers police may decide to ...

I prefer the term "local REOs".  Which stands for "Revenue Enhancement Officer".

Hmm, I thought I got that term from this forum, but I must have gotten it from a now-defunct hitchhiking forum instead.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: 1995hoo on July 09, 2021, 04:36:44 PM
So this afternoon this thread surfaced on another forum I visit. (https://virginia.sportswar.com/mid/15650385/board/general/) I promise I didn't tip the OP off to Crash_It's thread here.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: SectorZ on July 09, 2021, 04:45:51 PM
Now, in the real world, revenuers police may decide to ...

I prefer the term "local REOs".  Which stands for "Revenue Enhancement Officer".

Hmm, I thought I got that term from this forum, but I must have gotten it from a now-defunct hitchhiking forum instead.

You know what REOs drive, right?
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: kphoger on July 09, 2021, 04:47:35 PM


Now, in the real world, revenuers police may decide to ...

I prefer the term "local REOs".  Which stands for "Revenue Enhancement Officer".

Hmm, I thought I got that term from this forum, but I must have gotten it from a now-defunct hitchhiking forum instead.

You know what REOs drive, right?

Speedwagons?
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: SectorZ on July 09, 2021, 06:51:20 PM


Now, in the real world, revenuers police may decide to ...

I prefer the term "local REOs".  Which stands for "Revenue Enhancement Officer".

Hmm, I thought I got that term from this forum, but I must have gotten it from a now-defunct hitchhiking forum instead.

You know what REOs drive, right?

Speedwagons?

 :clap:
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: Crash_It on July 11, 2021, 05:51:33 PM
I have never understood why it really matters which lane someone is in as long as they aren't driving too slowly.  I almost exclusively drive in the left lane but then again I am also usually driving about 5-10 miles over the speed limit.  I switch to the right lane only if there is not a lot of traffic ahead of me or someone is coming up behind me on the left and they are driving faster than I seem to be. 
When there's three or more lanes, I almost always stay in the center unless Im nearing an exit.

The OP has to be dramatic about a non-issue per usual.

Driver, often with a weak car or not a resident of the state where it occurs in is slow in the left lane...blocking anyone who wants to pass and get where they need to with minimal delay. There are numerous laws against this, how is this a non-issue?
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 11, 2021, 06:38:13 PM
I have never understood why it really matters which lane someone is in as long as they aren't driving too slowly.  I almost exclusively drive in the left lane but then again I am also usually driving about 5-10 miles over the speed limit.  I switch to the right lane only if there is not a lot of traffic ahead of me or someone is coming up behind me on the left and they are driving faster than I seem to be. 
When there's three or more lanes, I almost always stay in the center unless Im nearing an exit.

The OP has to be dramatic about a non-issue per usual.

Driver, often with a weak car or not a resident of the state where it occurs in is slow in the left lane...blocking anyone who wants to pass and get where they need to with minimal delay. There are numerous laws against this, how is this a non-issue?

Your whole brand is about sensationalizing the mostly minor subpar habits of every driver except yourself.  Why should any of us care what a subpar driver like yourself has to say when they are in active denial of their own bad driving habits and come with a Jerry Springer-like presentation?
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: Crash_It on July 11, 2021, 06:39:23 PM
I have never understood why it really matters which lane someone is in as long as they aren't driving too slowly.  I almost exclusively drive in the left lane but then again I am also usually driving about 5-10 miles over the speed limit.  I switch to the right lane only if there is not a lot of traffic ahead of me or someone is coming up behind me on the left and they are driving faster than I seem to be. 
When there's three or more lanes, I almost always stay in the center unless Im nearing an exit.

The OP has to be dramatic about a non-issue per usual.

Driver, often with a weak car or not a resident of the state where it occurs in is slow in the left lane...blocking anyone who wants to pass and get where they need to with minimal delay. There are numerous laws against this, how is this a non-issue?

Your whole brand is about sensationalizing the mostly minor subpar habits of every driver except yourself.  Why should any of us care what a subpar driver like yourself has to say when they are in active denial of their own bad driving habits and come with a Jerry Springer-like presentation?

Driving under the limit in the left lane for no reason at all is extremely poor driving.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 11, 2021, 06:43:01 PM
I have never understood why it really matters which lane someone is in as long as they aren't driving too slowly.  I almost exclusively drive in the left lane but then again I am also usually driving about 5-10 miles over the speed limit.  I switch to the right lane only if there is not a lot of traffic ahead of me or someone is coming up behind me on the left and they are driving faster than I seem to be. 
When there's three or more lanes, I almost always stay in the center unless Im nearing an exit.

The OP has to be dramatic about a non-issue per usual.

Driver, often with a weak car or not a resident of the state where it occurs in is slow in the left lane...blocking anyone who wants to pass and get where they need to with minimal delay. There are numerous laws against this, how is this a non-issue?

Your whole brand is about sensationalizing the mostly minor subpar habits of every driver except yourself.  Why should any of us care what a subpar driver like yourself has to say when they are in active denial of their own bad driving habits and come with a Jerry Springer-like presentation?

Driving under the limit in the left lane for no reason at all is extremely poor driving.

Don’t you have some normal driving scenarios to be dramatic about and honk your horn at for an excessively long time?
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: Crash_It on July 11, 2021, 07:00:05 PM
I have never understood why it really matters which lane someone is in as long as they aren't driving too slowly.  I almost exclusively drive in the left lane but then again I am also usually driving about 5-10 miles over the speed limit.  I switch to the right lane only if there is not a lot of traffic ahead of me or someone is coming up behind me on the left and they are driving faster than I seem to be. 
When there's three or more lanes, I almost always stay in the center unless Im nearing an exit.

The OP has to be dramatic about a non-issue per usual.

Driver, often with a weak car or not a resident of the state where it occurs in is slow in the left lane...blocking anyone who wants to pass and get where they need to with minimal delay. There are numerous laws against this, how is this a non-issue?

Your whole brand is about sensationalizing the mostly minor subpar habits of every driver except yourself.  Why should any of us care what a subpar driver like yourself has to say when they are in active denial of their own bad driving habits and come with a Jerry Springer-like presentation?

Driving under the limit in the left lane for no reason at all is extremely poor driving.

Don’t you have some normal driving scenarios to be dramatic about and honk your horn at for an excessively long time?
I bet you're one of those drivers that get mad over being honked at then either will honk back or drive slow afterwards.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 11, 2021, 07:23:04 PM
I have never understood why it really matters which lane someone is in as long as they aren't driving too slowly.  I almost exclusively drive in the left lane but then again I am also usually driving about 5-10 miles over the speed limit.  I switch to the right lane only if there is not a lot of traffic ahead of me or someone is coming up behind me on the left and they are driving faster than I seem to be. 
When there's three or more lanes, I almost always stay in the center unless Im nearing an exit.

The OP has to be dramatic about a non-issue per usual.

Driver, often with a weak car or not a resident of the state where it occurs in is slow in the left lane...blocking anyone who wants to pass and get where they need to with minimal delay. There are numerous laws against this, how is this a non-issue?

Your whole brand is about sensationalizing the mostly minor subpar habits of every driver except yourself.  Why should any of us care what a subpar driver like yourself has to say when they are in active denial of their own bad driving habits and come with a Jerry Springer-like presentation?

Driving under the limit in the left lane for no reason at all is extremely poor driving.

Don’t you have some normal driving scenarios to be dramatic about and honk your horn at for an excessively long time?
I bet you're one of those drivers that get mad over being honked at then either will honk back or drive slow afterwards.

Not really, I don’t have the road rage issues you display.   But if you’re curious my body of work can be found below in my signature.  I don’t think you would be interested though, I don’t tend to feature drives around mundane neighborhood streets.   
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: Flint1979 on July 12, 2021, 02:39:31 PM
I have never understood why it really matters which lane someone is in as long as they aren't driving too slowly.  I almost exclusively drive in the left lane but then again I am also usually driving about 5-10 miles over the speed limit.  I switch to the right lane only if there is not a lot of traffic ahead of me or someone is coming up behind me on the left and they are driving faster than I seem to be. 
When there's three or more lanes, I almost always stay in the center unless Im nearing an exit.

The OP has to be dramatic about a non-issue per usual.

Driver, often with a weak car or not a resident of the state where it occurs in is slow in the left lane...blocking anyone who wants to pass and get where they need to with minimal delay. There are numerous laws against this, how is this a non-issue?
Show me a state that enforces it.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 12, 2021, 02:47:26 PM
I have never understood why it really matters which lane someone is in as long as they aren't driving too slowly.  I almost exclusively drive in the left lane but then again I am also usually driving about 5-10 miles over the speed limit.  I switch to the right lane only if there is not a lot of traffic ahead of me or someone is coming up behind me on the left and they are driving faster than I seem to be. 
When there's three or more lanes, I almost always stay in the center unless Im nearing an exit.

The OP has to be dramatic about a non-issue per usual.

Driver, often with a weak car or not a resident of the state where it occurs in is slow in the left lane...blocking anyone who wants to pass and get where they need to with minimal delay. There are numerous laws against this, how is this a non-issue?
Show me a state that enforces it.

Indiana will enforce it on rural freeways, but the two examples above, a surface street and an urban freeway, are not places it gets enforced. They're actually poor examples, that only someone desperate for attention would use.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 12, 2021, 02:47:58 PM
Notably as a former Michigan resident I can say that there was all sorts of signage on a lot of major freeways (I-96 between Lansing and Novi especially) telling drivers to use the left lane only to pass.  I cannot recall a single instance where I heard of a MSP Officer actually bothering to ticket someone for camping in the left lane.  I’m sure it has happened but I would certainly think that it was pretty low of a priory if one at all for enforcement.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: Avalanchez71 on July 12, 2021, 02:52:34 PM
As shown by two of my most recent videos, it seems to become common for someone to block the left lane and not allow anyone else in front of them no matter what:


and...



I argue that once the speed limit has been reached then this should no longer be a crime.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 12, 2021, 02:55:57 PM
As shown by two of my most recent videos, it seems to become common for someone to block the left lane and not allow anyone else in front of them no matter what:


and...



I argue that once the speed limit has been reached then this should no longer be a crime.

But there would be no fake drama then!
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: jeffandnicole on July 12, 2021, 02:57:06 PM
As shown by two of my most recent videos, it seems to become common for someone to block the left lane and not allow anyone else in front of them no matter what:


and...



I argue that once the speed limit has been reached then this should no longer be a crime.

Each law is separate and distinct.  Driving the speed limit doesn't allow one to drink a beer, or run a stop sign.  Just because one is driving the speed limit doesn't give them the right to ignore other laws.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: kphoger on July 12, 2021, 03:08:06 PM




I have never understood why it really matters which lane someone is in as long as they aren't driving too slowly.  I almost exclusively drive in the left lane but then again I am also usually driving about 5-10 miles over the speed limit.  I switch to the right lane only if there is not a lot of traffic ahead of me or someone is coming up behind me on the left and they are driving faster than I seem to be. 
When there's three or more lanes, I almost always stay in the center unless Im nearing an exit.

The OP has to be dramatic about a non-issue per usual.

Driver, often with a weak car or not a resident of the state where it occurs in is slow in the left lane...blocking anyone who wants to pass and get where they need to with minimal delay. There are numerous laws against this, how is this a non-issue?

Show me a state that enforces it.

Indiana will enforce it on rural freeways, but the two examples above, a surface street and an urban freeway, are not places it gets enforced. They're actually poor examples, that only someone desperate for attention would use.

Heck, Kansas' KRETP law only applies specifically to highways "located outside the corporate limits of any city".  It's almost like the lawmakers knew something Cra_shIt doesn't...
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: Avalanchez71 on July 12, 2021, 03:26:01 PM
As shown by two of my most recent videos, it seems to become common for someone to block the left lane and not allow anyone else in front of them no matter what:


and...



I argue that once the speed limit has been reached then this should no longer be a crime.

Each law is separate and distinct.  Driving the speed limit doesn't allow one to drink a beer, or run a stop sign.  Just because one is driving the speed limit doesn't give them the right to ignore other laws.

Incorrect.  I should have elaborated.  If one is passing another then they in fact cannot exceed the speed limit.  Therefore once the speed limit is reached then the left lane hog law should and could not possibly apply.  If it is a fact that one is passing someone but to the limit then they cannot relieve the "hogging" by exceeding the speed limit.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: Flint1979 on July 12, 2021, 03:44:01 PM
In Michigan you'll generally be tailgated if you're doing anything under 80 in the left lane and even at 80 you'll still be tailgated.

It makes all those left lane entrances and exits problematic.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: kphoger on July 12, 2021, 04:23:35 PM
Incorrect.  I should have elaborated.  If one is passing another then they in fact cannot exceed the speed limit.  Therefore once the speed limit is reached then the left lane hog law should and could not possibly apply.  If it is a fact that one is passing someone but to the limit then they cannot relieve the "hogging" by exceeding the speed limit.

That's not true.

If the speed limit is 65 mph, and you're in the left lane going 62 mph but nobody is behind you, then you're breaking neither the speed limit law nor the KRETP law.

If the speed limit is 65 mph, and you're in the left lane going 62 mph and someone is behind you waiting to pass, but you refuse to get over, then you're breaking the KRETP law but not breaking the speed limit law.

If the speed limit is 65 mph, and you're in the left lane going 73 mph but nobody is behind you, then you are breaking the speed limit law but not breaking the KRETP law.

If the speed limit is 65 mph, and you're in the left lane going 73 mph and someone is behind you waiting to pass, then you are breaking both the speed limit law and also the KRETP law.

Just read the KRETP law.  In the states whose KRETP laws I'm familiar with, none of them say anything about the speed limit.  None of them say anything like "the above shall not apply at speeds less than the posted maximum" or whatever.  Your assumption just isn't true.  (Maybe it is true in your state, but I doubt it.)
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: jeffandnicole on July 12, 2021, 04:36:03 PM

Incorrect.  I should have elaborated.  If one is passing another then they in fact cannot exceed the speed limit.  Therefore once the speed limit is reached then the left lane hog law should and could not possibly apply.  If it is a fact that one is passing someone but to the limit then they cannot relieve the "hogging" by exceeding the speed limit.

Very true.  One shouldn't be exceeding the speed limit while passing.

But if you're actively passing someone, then that means you're going faster than they are, and once you have passed that person, then merge over.

If the other person sped up, and now you are both going the speed limit side-by-side, that's bad form.  One or the other should speed up or slow down. 

If you both sit there side-by-side, you're both just being a dick to all the traffic behind you.  Someone should swallow their pride, and speed up or slow down, allowing the vehicle in the left lane merge back to the right lane.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: Flint1979 on July 12, 2021, 05:53:58 PM
Incorrect.  I should have elaborated.  If one is passing another then they in fact cannot exceed the speed limit.  Therefore once the speed limit is reached then the left lane hog law should and could not possibly apply.  If it is a fact that one is passing someone but to the limit then they cannot relieve the "hogging" by exceeding the speed limit.

That's not true.

If the speed limit is 65 mph, and you're in the left lane going 62 mph but nobody is behind you, then you're breaking neither the speed limit law nor the KRETP law.

If the speed limit is 65 mph, and you're in the left lane going 62 mph and someone is behind you waiting to pass, but you refuse to get over, then you're breaking the KRETP law but not breaking the speed limit law.

If the speed limit is 65 mph, and you're in the left lane going 73 mph but nobody is behind you, then you are breaking the speed limit law but not breaking the KRETP law.

If the speed limit is 65 mph, and you're in the left lane going 73 mph and someone is behind you waiting to pass, then you are breaking both the speed limit law and also the KRETP law.

Just read the KRETP law.  In the states whose KRETP laws I'm familiar with, none of them say anything about the speed limit.  None of them say anything like "the above shall not apply at speeds less than the posted maximum" or whatever.  Your assumption just isn't true.  (Maybe it is true in your state, but I doubt it.)
I think his assumption is based on how people normally drive and now what the law is.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: Crash_It on July 12, 2021, 05:59:39 PM
As shown by two of my most recent videos, it seems to become common for someone to block the left lane and not allow anyone else in front of them no matter what:


and...



I argue that once the speed limit has been reached then this should no longer be a crime.

But there would be no fake drama then!

I drive the speed limit, my issue is with drivers that are going under the speed limit where they shouldn't be.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: Crash_It on July 12, 2021, 06:00:31 PM
I have never understood why it really matters which lane someone is in as long as they aren't driving too slowly.  I almost exclusively drive in the left lane but then again I am also usually driving about 5-10 miles over the speed limit.  I switch to the right lane only if there is not a lot of traffic ahead of me or someone is coming up behind me on the left and they are driving faster than I seem to be. 
When there's three or more lanes, I almost always stay in the center unless Im nearing an exit.

The OP has to be dramatic about a non-issue per usual.

Driver, often with a weak car or not a resident of the state where it occurs in is slow in the left lane...blocking anyone who wants to pass and get where they need to with minimal delay. There are numerous laws against this, how is this a non-issue?
Show me a state that enforces it.

Indiana will enforce it on rural freeways, but the two examples above, a surface street and an urban freeway, are not places it gets enforced. They're actually poor examples, that only someone desperate for attention would use.

You didn't watch all of the videos then, there's two examples in one of the videos while the other is a lone example.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: seicer on July 12, 2021, 06:12:12 PM
No one is going to watch your videos of you being overly aggressively honking and flashing your lights at drivers at traffic lights (who just hadn't started out from a red light) or aggressively speeding through construction zones or you being overly aggressively at transit drivers (which may have had the right-of-way).
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: Rothman on July 12, 2021, 06:12:49 PM
No one is going to watch your videos of you being overly aggressively honking and flashing your lights at drivers at traffic lights (who just hadn't started out from a red light) or aggressively speeding through construction zones or you being overly aggressively at transit drivers (which may have had the right-of-way).
I suspect some people on here still do.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 12, 2021, 06:15:04 PM
No one is going to watch your videos of you being overly aggressively honking and flashing your lights at drivers at traffic lights (who just hadn't started out from a red light) or aggressively speeding through construction zones or you being overly aggressively at transit drivers (which may have had the right-of-way).
I suspect some people on here still do.

I suspect a lot of users here just use the videos as a jumping off point about real world traffic problems and traffic laws. 
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: seicer on July 12, 2021, 06:20:34 PM
If anything, these are great videos for anyone who has been impacted by this aggressive driver if he/she ever gets into an accident. I never understand why people want to record activities that can be used against them, especially if the activities that are being performed are questionable at best.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: hbelkins on July 12, 2021, 07:49:18 PM
If you are driving 60 mph in the left lane, passing a car in the right lane that's doing 55 mph, in a 65 mph speed limit zone, you are doing nothing wrong, even if a car that's doing 65 or greater pulls up behind you. You have every right to complete your pass at your current speed without having to speed up.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: Crash_It on July 12, 2021, 10:39:48 PM
No one is going to watch your videos of you being overly aggressively honking and flashing your lights at drivers at traffic lights (who just hadn't started out from a red light) or aggressively speeding through construction zones or you being overly aggressively at transit drivers (which may have had the right-of-way).

He was still braking even seconds after the light went green. That's a lack of paying attention, no one was speeding through a construction zone. That was a "when lights are flashing" construction zone..which wasn't the case at that time.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: Crash_It on July 12, 2021, 10:41:43 PM
If you are driving 60 mph in the left lane, passing a car in the right lane that's doing 55 mph, in a 65 mph speed limit zone, you are doing nothing wrong, even if a car that's doing 65 or greater pulls up behind you. You have every right to complete your pass at your current speed without having to speed up.

Well, that's 5 under the limit...I wouldn't raise an issue with that.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: seicer on July 13, 2021, 08:46:34 AM
No one is going to watch your videos of you being overly aggressively honking and flashing your lights at drivers at traffic lights (who just hadn't started out from a red light) or aggressively speeding through construction zones or you being overly aggressively at transit drivers (which may have had the right-of-way).

He was still braking even seconds after the light went green. That's a lack of paying attention, no one was speeding through a construction zone. That was a "when lights are flashing" construction zone..which wasn't the case at that time.

I don't start out after the light turns green, either. Having been t-boned by a red-light runner, and having witnessed more red-light runners than I care to count anymore, I'd rather have the intersection cleared than risk my life with a type of a crash that has a higher chance of severe injury or death.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: hbelkins on July 13, 2021, 09:15:27 AM
No one is going to watch your videos of you being overly aggressively honking and flashing your lights at drivers at traffic lights (who just hadn't started out from a red light) or aggressively speeding through construction zones or you being overly aggressively at transit drivers (which may have had the right-of-way).

He was still braking even seconds after the light went green. That's a lack of paying attention, no one was speeding through a construction zone. That was a "when lights are flashing" construction zone..which wasn't the case at that time.

I don't start out after the light turns green, either. Having been t-boned by a red-light runner, and having witnessed more red-light runners than I care to count anymore, I'd rather have the intersection cleared than risk my life with a type of a crash that has a higher chance of severe injury or death.

I've never been hit by a red-light runner, but I've seen my fair share of them. So I, too, will wait a couple of seconds after the light turns before I go. It's called "defensive driving" and if more people practiced it, there might be fewer wrecks.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: 1 on July 13, 2021, 09:25:10 AM

I've never been hit by a red-light runner, but I've seen my fair share of them. So I, too, will wait a couple of seconds after the light turns before I go. It's called "defensive driving" and if more people practiced it, there might be fewer wrecks.

If everyone did this, there would be significantly more congestion.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: 1995hoo on July 13, 2021, 09:33:24 AM
Around here, there's usually a few seconds' delay between one light turning red and the other going green. Most of the red-light runners blow through during those few seconds.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: seicer on July 13, 2021, 09:34:44 AM
Congestion isn't caused by defensive driving but by roadway capacity being reasonably high or level of service being degraded.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: 1 on July 13, 2021, 09:38:30 AM
Congestion isn't caused by defensive driving but by roadway capacity being reasonably high or level of service being degraded.

Capacity (actual capacity; you meant demand when you said it) is based on effective green time. If a signal is green for 25 seconds, yellow for 4, and red for 31 seconds on a 60-second cycle, the effective green time for that approach is 25 plus 4 (assuming people go through the yellow, which they will unless there's a camera) minus the amount of time it takes to start up when it turns green, which is usually 1 to 2 seconds. If people wait a few seconds when it turns green, effective green time will be less.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: 1995hoo on July 13, 2021, 09:57:49 AM
Congestion isn't caused by defensive driving but by roadway capacity being reasonably high or level of service being degraded.

Capacity (actual capacity; you meant demand when you said it) is based on effective green time. If a signal is green for 25 seconds, yellow for 4, and red for 31 seconds on a 60-second cycle, the effective green time for that approach is 25 plus 4 (assuming people go through the yellow, which they will unless there's a camera) minus the amount of time it takes to start up when it turns green, which is usually 1 to 2 seconds. If people wait a few seconds when it turns green, effective green time will be less.

Seemingly the majority of drivers are oblivious to the light turning green anyway because they're so obsessed with playing with their phones. (More and more I see people stopping a full carlength back of the stop bar, which I assume is because they've already started messing with their phones before coming to a stop and they're just plain unaware of where the line is. Drives me nuts when the combination of that plus people leaving huge gaps means you can't get into the turn lane.)
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on July 13, 2021, 10:26:42 AM
While coming back to Wichita from Del Rio with my best friend, I was mildly irritated at his left lane behavior.  He gets over into the left lane early, and he doesn't dip back into the right lane to let people by as long as there's someone within sight that he plans to pass as well.  This behavior prompted a couple of drivers between OKC and Wichita to gun it around him in the right lane, and one even blared his horn at us.

When a driver with New Mexico plates gunned it around us in the right lane, my friend muttered "That's illegal in your state too".

— What's illegal? I asked
— Going around me in the right lane.
— I'm not aware of any state where that's illegal.
— It's illegal in Kansas.
— No it isn't.  I've never seen that law.  It is illegal to drive in the left lane when someone is wanting trying to get around you.

He slowly nodded his head and didn't say anything.
I don't know if he believed me or not.

I have heard this one a lot and I don't know where it comes from?  Why do people think it's illegal to pass on the right?
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: Avalanchez71 on July 13, 2021, 10:56:20 AM
Congestion isn't caused by defensive driving but by roadway capacity being reasonably high or level of service being degraded.

Capacity (actual capacity; you meant demand when you said it) is based on effective green time. If a signal is green for 25 seconds, yellow for 4, and red for 31 seconds on a 60-second cycle, the effective green time for that approach is 25 plus 4 (assuming people go through the yellow, which they will unless there's a camera) minus the amount of time it takes to start up when it turns green, which is usually 1 to 2 seconds. If people wait a few seconds when it turns green, effective green time will be less.

Seemingly the majority of drivers are oblivious to the light turning green anyway because they're so obsessed with playing with their phones. (More and more I see people stopping a full carlength back of the stop bar, which I assume is because they've already started messing with their phones before coming to a stop and they're just plain unaware of where the line is. Drives me nuts when the combination of that plus people leaving huge gaps means you can't get into the turn lane.)

You may be seeing more electric cars on the road.  They stop differently when you let your foot off of the accelerator.  If they have regenerative break turned up all the way they may stop well ahead of the intended point.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: kphoger on July 13, 2021, 12:08:25 PM
If you are driving 60 mph in the left lane, passing a car in the right lane that's doing 55 mph, in a 65 mph speed limit zone, you are doing nothing wrong, even if a car that's doing 65 or greater pulls up behind you. You have every right to complete your pass at your current speed without having to speed up.

Correct.  And then you get over into the right lane to let the other guy pass.

Same thing if you were going 90 mph and the guy behind you were going 95 mph.  Because KRETP laws don't exist in order to make it OK to impede some drivers but not other drivers.


While coming back to Wichita from Del Rio with my best friend, I was mildly irritated at his left lane behavior.  He gets over into the left lane early, and he doesn't dip back into the right lane to let people by as long as there's someone within sight that he plans to pass as well.  This behavior prompted a couple of drivers between OKC and Wichita to gun it around him in the right lane, and one even blared his horn at us.

When a driver with New Mexico plates gunned it around us in the right lane, my friend muttered "That's illegal in your state too".

— What's illegal? I asked
— Going around me in the right lane.
— I'm not aware of any state where that's illegal.
— It's illegal in Kansas.
— No it isn't.  I've never seen that law.  It is illegal to drive in the left lane when someone is wanting trying to get around you.

He slowly nodded his head and didn't say anything.
I don't know if he believed me or not.

I have heard this one a lot and I don't know where it comes from?  Why do people think it's illegal to pass on the right?

I assume it's because states generally have laws prohibiting passing on the right in certain circumstances—specifically on roads that have one lane per direction of traffic.  Such laws vary by state and prohibit passing on the right unless there is sufficient room to do so, or unless doing so doesn't involve driving off the pavement, or whatever.  Because such a law is a prohibition against "passing on the right", and only certain circumstances are listed as exceptions, people are simply taught that passing on the right is illegal.  Some of them then assume it applies to multi-lane roads as well.

The first time I was ever pulled over, back when I was in high school, the police officer mentioned my having passed someone on the right (besides my speeding).  It was a four-lane state highway, so perfectly legal, but apparently even the police officer was mistaken about the law (no longer surprising to me).
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: 1995hoo on July 13, 2021, 12:19:11 PM
Congestion isn't caused by defensive driving but by roadway capacity being reasonably high or level of service being degraded.

Capacity (actual capacity; you meant demand when you said it) is based on effective green time. If a signal is green for 25 seconds, yellow for 4, and red for 31 seconds on a 60-second cycle, the effective green time for that approach is 25 plus 4 (assuming people go through the yellow, which they will unless there's a camera) minus the amount of time it takes to start up when it turns green, which is usually 1 to 2 seconds. If people wait a few seconds when it turns green, effective green time will be less.

Seemingly the majority of drivers are oblivious to the light turning green anyway because they're so obsessed with playing with their phones. (More and more I see people stopping a full carlength back of the stop bar, which I assume is because they've already started messing with their phones before coming to a stop and they're just plain unaware of where the line is. Drives me nuts when the combination of that plus people leaving huge gaps means you can't get into the turn lane.)

You may be seeing more electric cars on the road.  They stop differently when you let your foot off of the accelerator.  If they have regenerative break turned up all the way they may stop well ahead of the intended point.

I'm aware of that, and it applies to many hybrids as well, but it doesn't seem to matter what sort of vehicle is being driven. I see all sorts leaving huge gaps.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: jakeroot on July 13, 2021, 12:57:08 PM
The only time I leave any sort of "large" gap is when I am behind a motorcyclist. In the event I am rear-ended, I would like there to be some neutral area between us to reduce the likelihood of them being involved and/or of a serious injury. As bikes have no crumple zones, I treat them differently.



Around here, there's usually a few seconds' delay between one light turning red and the other going green. Most of the red-light runners blow through during those few seconds.

As they do around here. Older signals should have this delay installed if they do not have them. This effectively takes care of that "wait a moment" attitude that some drivers have. All-red phases are usually not installed in states where it is illegal to be in the intersection on red (not most, but some like Oregon), but I think this should change.

I usually look left and right but I do it while I still have a red light. When my light turns green, I have already cleared to the left and right. But even then, I still have the all-red phase plus a good 1 to 2 seconds before I enter the intersection from a stop (stop line + gap + crosswalk + gap). If you still manage to get T-boned in this situation, it's spectacularly bad luck or you took zero precautions to protect yourself.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: seicer on July 13, 2021, 02:43:51 PM
Not all lights have that protection, and not all intersections have clear right-of-ways where you can see around. In my instance, the driver came out of the left lane (the right lane was stacked) at 35 MPH+. There was not way to see the driver. But it's also hard to determine if a driver is slowing down - or slowing down only to speed up to "beat" the light.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: jeffandnicole on July 13, 2021, 03:14:49 PM
Congestion isn't caused by defensive driving but by roadway capacity being reasonably high or level of service being degraded.

Capacity (actual capacity; you meant demand when you said it) is based on effective green time. If a signal is green for 25 seconds, yellow for 4, and red for 31 seconds on a 60-second cycle, the effective green time for that approach is 25 plus 4 (assuming people go through the yellow, which they will unless there's a camera) minus the amount of time it takes to start up when it turns green, which is usually 1 to 2 seconds. If people wait a few seconds when it turns green, effective green time will be less.

Seemingly the majority of drivers are oblivious to the light turning green anyway because they're so obsessed with playing with their phones. (More and more I see people stopping a full carlength back of the stop bar, which I assume is because they've already started messing with their phones before coming to a stop and they're just plain unaware of where the line is. Drives me nuts when the combination of that plus people leaving huge gaps means you can't get into the turn lane.)

You may be seeing more electric cars on the road.  They stop differently when you let your foot off of the accelerator.  If they have regenerative break turned up all the way they may stop well ahead of the intended point.

Generally, electric and hybrid cars work the same way as gasoline powered cars when it comes to stopping.  I can activate the regen braking to help slow my car down, but unless I intend to do a half-mile roll uphill its not going to come to a complete stop on its own - I still need to physically apply the brake.  A driver probably couldn't even guess when to activate regen braking to pick a specific spot to stop.

While coming back to Wichita from Del Rio with my best friend, I was mildly irritated at his left lane behavior.  He gets over into the left lane early, and he doesn't dip back into the right lane to let people by as long as there's someone within sight that he plans to pass as well.  This behavior prompted a couple of drivers between OKC and Wichita to gun it around him in the right lane, and one even blared his horn at us.

When a driver with New Mexico plates gunned it around us in the right lane, my friend muttered "That's illegal in your state too".

— What's illegal? I asked
— Going around me in the right lane.
— I'm not aware of any state where that's illegal.
— It's illegal in Kansas.
— No it isn't.  I've never seen that law.  It is illegal to drive in the left lane when someone is wanting trying to get around you.

He slowly nodded his head and didn't say anything.
I don't know if he believed me or not.

I have heard this one a lot and I don't know where it comes from?  Why do people think it's illegal to pass on the right?

I think it comes from a few reasons:

People are told to keep to the right and pass on the left.

People are told passing on the right is illegal. And depending on their source, they'll believe that incorrect source over a hundred factual sources.

As kphoger mentioned, there are certain cases where someone shouldn't pass on the right - such as passing on the shoulder to get around a left turning vehicle.  And this law isn't universal across all states.  Heck, I was once told part of some development projects is to provide shoulder room for a vehicle to pass a left-turning vehicle (where a left turn lane wasn't provided)...and that was in a state which prohibits passing on the right shoulder!
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: seicer on July 13, 2021, 03:34:52 PM
Like in Indiana? They essentially create a turnout on the shoulder for vehicles to turn into to pass left turning vehicles.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: jeffandnicole on July 13, 2021, 03:40:29 PM
Like in Indiana? They essentially create a turnout on the shoulder for vehicles to turn into to pass left turning vehicles.

At least in NJ, they are usually marked with a solid white line so technically you're not supposed to use them.  In Delaware, they'll mark the shoulder as an official pull-out lane so you can legally get around a left turning vehicle.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: seicer on July 13, 2021, 04:10:46 PM
Or you could just get behind the left-turning vehicle and flash your lights and honk your horn excessively because they are blocking the lane ;)
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 13, 2021, 04:18:32 PM
Or you could just get behind the left-turning vehicle and flash your lights and honk your horn excessively because they are blocking the lane ;)

Ain’t legit unless you got that dramatic effect.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: Scott5114 on July 13, 2021, 04:51:39 PM
While coming back to Wichita from Del Rio with my best friend, I was mildly irritated at his left lane behavior.  He gets over into the left lane early, and he doesn't dip back into the right lane to let people by as long as there's someone within sight that he plans to pass as well.  This behavior prompted a couple of drivers between OKC and Wichita to gun it around him in the right lane, and one even blared his horn at us.

When a driver with New Mexico plates gunned it around us in the right lane, my friend muttered "That's illegal in your state too".

— What's illegal? I asked
— Going around me in the right lane.
— I'm not aware of any state where that's illegal.
— It's illegal in Kansas.
— No it isn't.  I've never seen that law.  It is illegal to drive in the left lane when someone is wanting trying to get around you.

He slowly nodded his head and didn't say anything.
I don't know if he believed me or not.

I have heard this one a lot and I don't know where it comes from?  Why do people think it's illegal to pass on the right?

It used to be pretty heavily discouraged in driver-education materials, so people may think that was done because it's actually illegal and not just bad form. Also, I think it actually is illegal in Germany and the United Kingdom, and perhaps some other places.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: kphoger on July 13, 2021, 04:53:39 PM
It used to be pretty heavily discouraged in driver-education materials, so people may think that was done because it's actually illegal and not just bad form. Also, I think it actually is illegal in Germany and the United Kingdom, and perhaps some other places.

I'd bet money that passing on the right is perfectly legal in the UK.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: hbelkins on July 13, 2021, 09:28:12 PM
Like in Indiana? They essentially create a turnout on the shoulder for vehicles to turn into to pass left turning vehicles.

I've seen those in a lot of places. In many cases, the white edge line follows the contour of the turnout and there's a short white line that appears to delineate a turn lane, but there's no yellow taper the way there is with most full-fledged turn lanes. There are also no signs indicating that it's a turn lane, or arrows on the pavement to indicate that it's a turn lane. When I encounter one, I typically drive straight through it unless there is a left-turning vehicle.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: Crash_It on July 14, 2021, 01:39:12 PM
Or you could just get behind the left-turning vehicle and flash your lights and honk your horn excessively because they are blocking the lane ;)

If that driver planning to turn left is going slow (more than 5 under the speed limit) in tandem with the driver in the right lane.. Then yes, he is blocking the lane and impeding the normal and reasonable movement of traffic and should either speed up to allow for that right lane driver to be passed or move out of the lane and not return until the last 0.12miles before the turn.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 14, 2021, 01:41:26 PM
Or you could just get behind the left-turning vehicle and flash your lights and honk your horn excessively because they are blocking the lane ;)

If that driver planning to turn left is going slow (more than 5 under the speed limit) in tandem with the driver in the right lane.. Then yes, he is blocking the lane and impeding the normal and reasonable movement of traffic and should either speed up to allow for that right lane driver to be passed or move out of the lane and not return until the last 0.12miles before the turn.

Oh hey, the raging fraud artist is back.  Everyone honk their horn to announce the return of our one true traffic savior.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: kphoger on July 14, 2021, 01:47:36 PM

Or you could just get behind the left-turning vehicle and flash your lights and honk your horn excessively because they are blocking the lane ;)

If that driver planning to turn left is going slow (more than 5 under the speed limit) in tandem with the driver in the right lane.. Then yes, he is blocking the lane and impeding the normal and reasonable movement of traffic and should either speed up to allow for that right lane driver to be passed or move out of the lane and not return until the last 0.12miles before the turn.

If the driver is planning to turn left, then by definition he cannot be "upon an Interstate highway or fully access controlled freeway", which is the only place that Illinois' KRETP law applies.

Yes, I agree that, even on a non-freeway road, doing so is rude and impedes the normal flow of traffic—but it's both perfectly legal and very common behavior.

Not everyone drives exactly the way you want.  Get over it.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: seicer on July 14, 2021, 01:57:00 PM
Or you could just get behind the left-turning vehicle and flash your lights and honk your horn ex'cessively because they are blocking the lane ;)

If that driver planning to turn left is going slow (more than 5 under the speed limit) in tandem with the driver in the right lane.. Then yes, he is blocking the lane and impeding the normal and reasonable movement of traffic and should either speed up to allow for that right lane driver to be passed or move out of the lane and not return until the last 0.12miles before the turn.

Hate to tell you this, but keep right except to pass laws don't apply on uncontrolled highways (i.e. anything that's not an interstate or freeway without intersections).

Your videos prove to be good evidence of what not to do.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: Avalanchez71 on July 14, 2021, 02:21:58 PM
It used to be pretty heavily discouraged in driver-education materials, so people may think that was done because it's actually illegal and not just bad form. Also, I think it actually is illegal in Germany and the United Kingdom, and perhaps some other places.

I'd bet money that passing on the right is perfectly legal in the UK.

Tennessee Law Passing on the Right
TN Code § 55-8-118 (2019)
(a) The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass upon the right of another vehicle only under the following conditions:

(1) When the vehicle overtaken is making or about to make a left turn;

(2) Upon a street or highway with unobstructed pavement not occupied by parked vehicles of sufficient width for two (2) or more lines of moving vehicles in each direction; and

(3) Upon a one-way street, or upon any roadway on which traffic is restricted to one (1) direction of movement, where the roadway is free from obstructions and of sufficient width for two (2) or more lines of moving vehicles.

(b) The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass another vehicle upon the right only under conditions permitting that movement in safety. In no event shall the movement be made by driving off the pavement or main-traveled portion of the roadway.

(c) When overtaking or passing upon the right of another motor vehicle pursuant to this section or other law, the person shall not operate the motor vehicle within a bicycle lane as defined in § 55-8-205.

(d)

(1) Notwithstanding this section, the driver of a bus operated by or for a publicly owned transit agency may overtake and pass a vehicle upon the right when operating on the shoulder or right-of-way of any highway on the state system of highways, including interstate highways, when authorized by the department of transportation. Except for authorized emergency vehicles, the operation of a vehicle on the shoulder or right-of-way of a state highway other than a bus authorized by the department is an offense punishable as a Class C misdemeanor.

(2) The department is authorized to promulgate rules in accordance with the Uniform Administrative Procedures Act, compiled in title 4, chapter 5, to effectuate the purposes of subdivision (d)(1), including establishing procedures for authorizing the operation of a bus on the shoulder or right-of-way and regulations for ensuring the safety of passengers on a bus and in vehicles operating on the main traveled way of the adjacent highway or right-of-way, such as establishing a maximum speed limit of a bus, limiting the use of the shoulder or right-of-way during peak traffic periods, and installing signs indicating the shoulder or right-of-way is reserved for exclusive use by a bus.

(3) As used in this subsection (d), “bus” does not include a school bus.

(4) The department may take any action to obtain federal, state, or local assistance for any aspect of implementation of a program to allow a bus to utilize the shoulder or right-of-way of a state highway as provided in subdivision (d)(1); provided, that any funds used for the purposes of this subsection (d) shall be specifically appropriated by reference in the general appropriations act.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: kphoger on July 14, 2021, 02:28:16 PM


It used to be pretty heavily discouraged in driver-education materials, so people may think that was done because it's actually illegal and not just bad form. Also, I think it actually is illegal in Germany and the United Kingdom, and perhaps some other places.

I'd bet money that passing on the right is perfectly legal in the UK.

Tennessee Law Passing on the Right
TN Code § 55-8-118 (2019)

[...]

What does that have to do with the UK?
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: Avalanchez71 on July 14, 2021, 02:40:29 PM


It used to be pretty heavily discouraged in driver-education materials, so people may think that was done because it's actually illegal and not just bad form. Also, I think it actually is illegal in Germany and the United Kingdom, and perhaps some other places.

I'd bet money that passing on the right is perfectly legal in the UK.

Tennessee Law Passing on the Right
TN Code § 55-8-118 (2019)

[...]

What does that have to do with the UK?

It looks like a quoted the wrong post.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: jakeroot on July 14, 2021, 02:43:57 PM
For the record, WA law requires drivers to keep right at all times unless passing, turning left, or allowing traffic to merge from an on-ramp. No exception for undivided roads (expectation is that you use the right lane until shortly before you turn).
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: kphoger on July 14, 2021, 02:48:56 PM
For the record, WA law requires drivers to keep right at all times unless passing, turning left, or allowing traffic to merge from an on-ramp. No exception for undivided roads (expectation is that you use the right lane until shortly before you turn).

Correct.  RCW 46.61.100(2) applies "upon all roadways having two or more lanes for traffic moving in the same direction", and RCW 46.61.100(4) states that "it is a traffic infraction to drive continuously in the left lane of a multilane roadway when it impedes the flow of other traffic".
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: texaskdog on July 14, 2021, 02:54:41 PM
I drive home in rush hour on I-35 and trucks are not even allowed in the left lane (yes you see a few anyway) but the left lane ALWAYS moves slower, even with people merging into the right lane.  I just don't get it unless the scared draft just want to be away from merging traffic.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: jeffandnicole on July 14, 2021, 04:40:24 PM
Or you could just get behind the left-turning vehicle and flash your lights and honk your horn ex'cessively because they are blocking the lane ;)

If that driver planning to turn left is going slow (more than 5 under the speed limit) in tandem with the driver in the right lane.. Then yes, he is blocking the lane and impeding the normal and reasonable movement of traffic and should either speed up to allow for that right lane driver to be passed or move out of the lane and not return until the last 0.12miles before the turn.

Hate to tell you this, but keep right except to pass laws don't apply on uncontrolled highways (i.e. anything that's not an interstate or freeway without intersections).

Your videos prove to be good evidence of what not to do.

That depends on the state. In some states, it applies to any roadway with 2+ lanes in one direction.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: kphoger on July 14, 2021, 04:51:10 PM
That depends on the state. In some states, it applies to any roadway with 2+ lanes in one direction.

In the state Cra_shIt lives in, it only applies to controlled-access highways.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: Crash_It on July 14, 2021, 10:44:06 PM
That depends on the state. In some states, it applies to any roadway with 2+ lanes in one direction.

In the state Cra_shIt lives in, it only applies to controlled-access highways.

In that video, that section of US45 does turn to controlled access , so that law would in fact apply. AND, I just learned this today. Some municipalities and counties within Illinois also have their own ordinances regarding traffic and under the Cook County Ordinance code since this video takes place there.. it says this about the left lane...


Quote
Sec. 82-34. - Driving on right side of roadway.
(a)All vehicles shall be driven in the right-hand lane available for traffic or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway:(1)When proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing

So, yes...it is illegal to drive under the speed limit in the left lane.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: dlsterner on July 15, 2021, 12:23:57 AM
Quote
Sec. 82-34. - Driving on right side of roadway.
(a)All vehicles shall be driven in the right-hand lane available for traffic or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway:(1)When proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing

So, yes...it is illegal to drive under the speed limit in the left lane.
Somehow you are twisting "normal speed of traffic" and "conditions then existing" into "the speed limit".  They are not necessarily the same.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: kphoger on July 15, 2021, 03:02:19 PM


Quote
Sec. 82-34. - Driving on right side of roadway.
(a)All vehicles shall be driven in the right-hand lane available for traffic or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway:(1)When proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing

So, yes...it is illegal to drive under the speed limit in the left lane.

Somehow you are twisting "normal speed of traffic" and "conditions then existing" into "the speed limit".  They are not necessarily the same.

I don't even remember what video we're referring to anymore, but I do note that it doesn't say the "prevailing speed of traffic".  I imagine the "normal speed of traffic" would legally include quite a range of speeds, such that a driver would have to really stick out in order to be violating the law.

AND, I just learned this today. Some municipalities and counties within Illinois also have their own ordinances regarding traffic ...

Seriously, you just learned that NOW?  Did you really not know that each town has its own municipal code?  Wow...
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: Crash_It on July 15, 2021, 03:20:50 PM
Quote
Sec. 82-34. - Driving on right side of roadway.
(a)All vehicles shall be driven in the right-hand lane available for traffic or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway:(1)When proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing

So, yes...it is illegal to drive under the speed limit in the left lane.
Somehow you are twisting "normal speed of traffic" and "conditions then existing" into "the speed limit".  They are not necessarily the same.


It makes zero sense whatsoever to drive under the speed limit in tandem or nearly in tandem to the person next to you and that's what the law is alluding to as well as the don't impede traffic law.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 15, 2021, 03:31:28 PM
It makes zero sense whatever for Cra_shIt to post videos of his poor driving habits or be on this forum, but here we are. 
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: dlsterner on July 15, 2021, 05:05:55 PM
Quote
Sec. 82-34. - Driving on right side of roadway.
(a)All vehicles shall be driven in the right-hand lane available for traffic or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway:(1)When proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing

So, yes...it is illegal to drive under the speed limit in the left lane.
Somehow you are twisting "normal speed of traffic" and "conditions then existing" into "the speed limit".  They are not necessarily the same.

It makes zero sense whatsoever to drive under the speed limit in tandem or nearly in tandem to the person next to you and that's what the law is alluding to as well as the don't impede traffic law.
No.  Consider a four lane arterial posted at 50 mph.  Due to rush hour and a raging thunderstorm, traffic in both lanes is moving at 30 mph, stop and go.  How is anybody doing anything illegal here?
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: Crash_It on July 16, 2021, 11:29:40 AM
Quote
Sec. 82-34. - Driving on right side of roadway.
(a)All vehicles shall be driven in the right-hand lane available for traffic or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway:(1)When proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing

So, yes...it is illegal to drive under the speed limit in the left lane.
Somehow you are twisting "normal speed of traffic" and "conditions then existing" into "the speed limit".  They are not necessarily the same.

It makes zero sense whatsoever to drive under the speed limit in tandem or nearly in tandem to the person next to you and that's what the law is alluding to as well as the don't impede traffic law.
No.  Consider a four lane arterial posted at 50 mph.  Due to rush hour and a raging thunderstorm, traffic in both lanes is moving at 30 mph, stop and go.  How is anybody doing anything illegal here?

You've mentioned a situation that is already exempt from those laws. I'm talking about dry conditions and already light traffic. It's not legal and makes no sense. However, now that we are on this topic.. I have seen miniature traffic jams that were caused by slow drivers being in lanes they weren't supposed to.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: kphoger on July 20, 2021, 12:02:18 PM
I have seen miniature traffic jams that were caused by slow drivers being in lanes they weren't supposed to.

Kind of like how, just because the middle lane is exempted from your area's KRETP law, you think being a slower driver in the middle lane does nothing to augment traffic congestion?
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: Flint1979 on July 20, 2021, 12:07:58 PM
Yeah stuff like that happens but it's not your job to tell other people how to drive. If you don't like how someone is driving you should pass them and move on. Not everyone is going to the same place and you might be the only one going to your destination. Why do people feel like it's their duty to tell other people what to do?
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: Flint1979 on July 20, 2021, 12:09:19 PM
And yes the traffic that is moving slower should keep to the right and let faster traffic move but what are you gonna do about it? You can't control what other people do.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: renegade on July 20, 2021, 03:35:32 PM
But Cra_shIt thinks he can.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: Flint1979 on July 20, 2021, 04:31:18 PM
But Cra_shIt thinks he can.
Would love to see Cra_shit go apeshit driving on the Ford Freeway in Detroit.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: renegade on July 20, 2021, 08:47:47 PM
But Cra_shIt thinks he can.
Would love to see Cra_shit go apeshit driving on the Ford Freeway in Detroit.
Or the Lodge.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: jakeroot on July 20, 2021, 08:50:09 PM
^^^
is that a dig at Detroit or a dig at Cra_shIt?
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: Flint1979 on July 20, 2021, 09:34:18 PM
But Cra_shIt thinks he can.
Would love to see Cra_shit go apeshit driving on the Ford Freeway in Detroit.
Or the Lodge.
That would be pure comedy.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: Flint1979 on July 20, 2021, 09:34:43 PM
^^^
is that a dig at Detroit or a dig at Cra_shIt?
I'd say both lol.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: Brandon on July 25, 2021, 03:23:39 PM
But Cra_shIt thinks he can.
Would love to see Cra_shit go apeshit driving on the Ford Freeway in Detroit.
Or the Lodge.

Shit, Detroiters would just run his ass off the freeway, and have fun doing it.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: sprjus4 on July 25, 2021, 03:37:32 PM
He’d be blown away to see a 70 mph speed limit on an urban freeway.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: GaryV on July 25, 2021, 06:19:32 PM
But if he blasts his horn like that at some Detroiters, he's liable to end up with bullet holes in his car.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: Flint1979 on July 25, 2021, 07:20:34 PM
I bet cra_shit's insurance is through the roof.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: kphoger on July 27, 2021, 10:11:10 AM
I bet cra_shit's insurance is through the roof.

Why?  The only ticket I know of is one that was dropped.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: Flint1979 on July 27, 2021, 07:32:57 PM
I bet cra_shit's insurance is through the roof.

Why?  The only ticket I know of is one that was dropped.
That's the only known one. How can you be sure that he doesn't have a stack of them with the way he drives? He seems very inconsiderate and for no reason at all other than to try to correct people on the road.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: renegade on July 27, 2021, 10:59:19 PM
I bet cra_shit's insurance is through the roof.

Why?  The only ticket I know of is one that was dropped.
That's the only known one. How can you be sure that he doesn't have a stack of them with the way he drives? He seems very inconsiderate and for no reason at all other than to try to correct people on the road.
Cra_shIt would definitely meet up with my middle finger if he rolled up on me with his horn blaring.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 27, 2021, 11:05:50 PM
It’s just not normal to have so much on the road conflict.  Given the OP has been caught lying/spin doctoring the truth numerous times I wouldn’t put it past him to omit inconvenient information about legal troubles that don’t fit the narrative. 
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: Flint1979 on July 27, 2021, 11:28:58 PM
I bet cra_shit's insurance is through the roof.

Why?  The only ticket I know of is one that was dropped.
That's the only known one. How can you be sure that he doesn't have a stack of them with the way he drives? He seems very inconsiderate and for no reason at all other than to try to correct people on the road.
Cra_shIt would definitely meet up with my middle finger if he rolled up on me with his horn blaring.
Same here
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: Flint1979 on July 27, 2021, 11:37:58 PM
Conflicts do happen and you move on. There are a few times I'd love to put someone in their place but in reality it's just not worth it.

All these urban freeways in the Detroit area with a 55 mph speed limit, good luck getting anyone to go 55 the normal speed is probably 70 at the lowest and 80-85 at the highest. The Chrysler, Fisher, Ford, Lodge and Southfield all have 55 mph limits on some stretches and no one obeys the speed limit. When there's a lot of traffic on the Southfield you can't even get going more than about 60.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: sprjus4 on July 28, 2021, 01:29:03 AM
^ At least the vast majority of urban freeways there are posted at a more reasonable 70 mph, unlike a lot of places, including Chicago.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 28, 2021, 07:39:44 AM
^ At least the vast majority of urban freeways there are posted at a more reasonable 70 mph, unlike a lot of places, including Chicago.

it’s hard to envision a normal commute hour scenario in Chicago where speeds line 70 MPH would be even be possible near downtown with the levels of congestion.  Detroit basically is a racetrack for the most part heading towards downtown.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: GaryV on July 28, 2021, 08:20:43 AM
I've always said that Detroit had traffic jams, we just didn't slow down for them.  Bumper to bumper at 70 mph.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: Flint1979 on July 28, 2021, 08:57:18 AM
^ At least the vast majority of urban freeways there are posted at a more reasonable 70 mph, unlike a lot of places, including Chicago.
The areas that are posted at 55 though are congested areas where there are a lot of on and off ramps.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: Flint1979 on July 28, 2021, 08:58:56 AM
^ At least the vast majority of urban freeways there are posted at a more reasonable 70 mph, unlike a lot of places, including Chicago.

it’s hard to envision a normal commute hour scenario in Chicago where speeds line 70 MPH would be even be possible near downtown with the levels of congestion.  Detroit basically is a racetrack for the most part heading towards downtown.
In Chicago the speed limit drops to 45 mph in that stretch where there are several on and off ramps and I don't think you can get up to 45 in most cases because of the traffic.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: kphoger on July 28, 2021, 10:11:35 AM


I bet cra_shit's insurance is through the roof.

Why?  The only ticket I know of is one that was dropped.

That's the only known one. How can you be sure that he doesn't have a stack of them with the way he drives? He seems very inconsiderate and for no reason at all other than to try to correct people on the road.

The only laws I've seen him breaking in his videos are minor ones—the sort that police officers generally don't ticket for.  And actually, I imagine that a lack of traffic tickets is part of what makes him think he's a good driver.  He's probably conflating "don't get tickets" with "am a good driver", just as he conflates "know and obey traffic laws" with "am a good driver".  The biggest thing he needs to learn is that traffic laws are only one piece of being a good driver, and it doesn't make up for the lack in other areas.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: sprjus4 on July 28, 2021, 10:18:37 AM
^ At least the vast majority of urban freeways there are posted at a more reasonable 70 mph, unlike a lot of places, including Chicago.

it’s hard to envision a normal commute hour scenario in Chicago where speeds line 70 MPH would be even be possible near downtown with the levels of congestion.  Detroit basically is a racetrack for the most part heading towards downtown.
The speed limits outside the core downtown areas should be 65 mph or 70 mph. It doesn’t matter if the speed is achievable or not during peak hours. How about all other hours of the day? 55 mph is a purely an artificial suggestion on a wide open highway, even with a heavy flow still at speed.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 28, 2021, 10:20:22 AM
^ At least the vast majority of urban freeways there are posted at a more reasonable 70 mph, unlike a lot of places, including Chicago.

it’s hard to envision a normal commute hour scenario in Chicago where speeds line 70 MPH would be even be possible near downtown with the levels of congestion.  Detroit basically is a racetrack for the most part heading towards downtown.
The speed limits outside the core downtown areas should be 65 mph or 70 mph. It doesn’t matter if the speed is achievable or not during peak hours. How about all other hours of the day? 55 mph is a purely an artificial suggestion on a wide open highway, even with a heavy flow still at speed.

I don’t disagree, the Skyway in particular could easily handle 70 MPH traffic. 
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: hbelkins on July 28, 2021, 10:50:48 AM
One of these days, especially in the Chicago area, he's going to lay on the horn and meet up with someone who takes The Offspring's "Bad Habit" as some sort of personal inspirational anthem.
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: dlsterner on July 28, 2021, 02:43:48 PM
One of these days, especially in the Chicago area, he's going to lay on the horn and meet up with someone who takes The Offspring's "Bad Habit" as some sort of personal inspirational anthem.
Agreed, if he picks the wrong person to blare his horn at, Cra_shit may very well become Cra_shot.  (I wouldn't wish that on anybody, mind you)
Title: Re: Left lane blockers becoming standard on our highways
Post by: kphoger on July 28, 2021, 02:47:40 PM

One of these days, especially in the Chicago area, he's going to lay on the horn and meet up with someone who takes The Offspring's "Bad Habit" as some sort of personal inspirational anthem.

Agreed, if he picks the wrong person to blare his horn at, Cra_shit may very well become Cra_shot.  (I wouldn't wish that on anybody, mind you)

I know it's Los Angeles, but...