Department of Redundancy Department

[Declan127]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/YtzXZ5ViRPS3STgT8

Sign has a supplemental sign for a destination already on the BGS. The signs were both put up around the same time (replacing perfectly functional button copy that was MUTCD compliant and not looking like a Nassau County sign, I might add), when signage was replaced at all approaches to the bridge and these LGSs were put up at every approach to guide people to the Belt. The other approaches have more normal advance signage that removed the Belt to add toll information (neccessating the LGSs), but this one was seemingly made by a different contractor and kept the Belt on the BGS, making the (presumably NYCDOT-erected) LGS redundant.

[LilianaUwU]

Two consecutive assemblies to an illegitimate route on Crescent St in downtown Montréal:

Way to rub it in by Liliana Vess, on Flickr

[Amaury]

Does this count? Redundant keep right: https://goo.gl/maps/Q9teweUdfaBis5SJ7

It's a roundabout in Sultan, Washington, that was installed sometime between September 2008 and October 2013. The sign that's not on the metal pole is actually knocked over on the ground now, as seen in the image above, so here's a view from 2013: https://goo.gl/maps/GFWU4EnryQN2TqKJ8 The funny part is that it seems it was installed that way, and it was only done on the east side of the roundabout while heading west on US 2. It's not present on the west side of the roundabout while heading east on US 2. Since it's truly redundant, I see no need to report it. In fact, I say cover the little thing it attaches to on the ground and throw it away.

[hbelkins]

This one's been around forever and it still amuses me.

2023 TN-AL Trip Photos Day 3 - 165 by H.B. Elkins, on Flickr

[CovalenceSTU]

Saved this one from r/IdiotsInCars a while back. Proof that redundancy isn't always effective

[tckma]

The Pennsylvania Turnpike Commission enters the chat:

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.1116383,-75.284365,3a,75y,250.6h,92.05t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSx4u0E3a029rpbT7qaKtyw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.2296959,-76.4299092,3a,34.4y,311.53h,92.53t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAF1QipPp7KdioQxmO43XI7IqN9siCfJ61xhT-g6VbvZH!2e10!7i7680!8i3840

[tckma]

Something tells me I'm sposta stop here.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7602568,-76.9859602,3a,75y,11.98h,70.76t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZaXXja9mf4nufY22_ycR-w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

[StogieGuy7]

The Pennsylvania Turnpike Commission enters the chat:

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.1116383,-75.284365,3a,75y,250.6h,92.05t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSx4u0E3a029rpbT7qaKtyw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.2296959,-76.4299092,3a,34.4y,311.53h,92.53t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAF1QipPp7KdioQxmO43XI7IqN9siCfJ61xhT-g6VbvZH!2e10!7i7680!8i3840

I'm pretty sure that these are useless vestiges taken from what was on the original PA Tpk signage that identified exits by city like that (I believe exits had a name and number originally). However, doing this became uselessly redundant decades ago when modern guide sign elements were added, yet they persist, And now in spectacular CLEARVIEW! 

[roadman65]

The PA Turnpike has interchange names. In both these instances, the name coincides with the control cities.

Clarks Summit and Landsdale both on the NE Extension have the same, but in the former “ Scranton” is added as a control city to sort of take away from the focus, however still in both the name and control city for US 6 & 11.


Edit: They did finally remove the Landsdale name and control at Exit 31.
https://goo.gl/maps/26bA5FheoRXscYkYA

However the next following it’s still there, but only as name while Harleyville and Kulpsville replaced Landsdale as a control city.
https://goo.gl/maps/LR9eSFoHxdyjtxAP9

[kphoger]

This one's been around forever and it still amuses me.

2023 TN-AL Trip Photos Day 3 - 165 by H.B. Elkins, on Flickr

What part is redundant?

[tckma]

The PA Turnpike has interchange names. In both these instances, the name coincides with the control cities.

The E-ZPass Only, excuse me, newer interchanges that were added within the last 15 years, such as 320, 340, and 352, have never had names like that.  I don't know why they don't just ditch the interchange names off the entire PA Turnpike system.  It would eliminate Department of Redundancy Department style signage (now in spectacular CLEARVIEW) like this, that has persisted apparently across several sign replacement contracts.

DYK that the toll booths on the PA Turnpike were originally called Ticket Sales Offices?  As if driving on the Turnpike were some sort of capital-E Event, which I suppose back in the 1940s, it WAS.  Yet the original eastern terminus at Carlisle doesn't even have a historical marker, though the original ramps still exist: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.2195778,-77.1897445,604m/data=!3m1!1e3

I made this a mini roadgeek trip a few years back when I started working in PA and still lived in MD and was commuting back and forth on Mondays and Fridays.

[paulthemapguy]

This one's been around forever and it still amuses me.

2023 TN-AL Trip Photos Day 3 - 165 by H.B. Elkins, on Flickr

What part is redundant?

I guess they REALLY wanted to be sure you know that this is a reservoir of water, and not a reservoir of electric charge or banana pudding.

[Amaury]

Banana pudding! LOL

[webny99]

This one's been around forever and it still amuses me.

2023 TN-AL Trip Photos Day 3 - 165 by H.B. Elkins, on Flickr

What part is redundant?

I guess they REALLY wanted to be sure you know that this is a reservoir of water, and not a reservoir of electric charge or banana pudding.

If it is indeed "Lake" that's considered redundant here, I don't have an issue with it. "Nolin Reservoir" is a bit wide for one line and looks awkward on two lines, so this is actually my preference, at least aesthetically.

[PurdueBill]

This one's been around forever and it still amuses me.

2023 TN-AL Trip Photos Day 3 - 165 by H.B. Elkins, on Flickr

What part is redundant?

I guess they REALLY wanted to be sure you know that this is a reservoir of water, and not a reservoir of electric charge or banana pudding.

If it is indeed "Lake" that's considered redundant here, I don't have an issue with it. "Nolin Reservoir" is a bit wide for one line and looks awkward on two lines, so this is actually my preference, at least aesthetically.

They could have used the official Corps name for the reservoir, Nolin River Lake, to really befuddle people.  Is it a river or a lake?  It's a reservoir!
https://www.lrl.usace.army.mil/Missions/Civil-Works/Recreation/Lakes/Nolin-River-Lake/

[hbelkins]

This one's been around forever and it still amuses me.

2023 TN-AL Trip Photos Day 3 - 165 by H.B. Elkins, on Flickr

What part is redundant?

I guess they REALLY wanted to be sure you know that this is a reservoir of water, and not a reservoir of electric charge or banana pudding.

If it is indeed "Lake" that's considered redundant here, I don't have an issue with it. "Nolin Reservoir" is a bit wide for one line and looks awkward on two lines, so this is actually my preference, at least aesthetically.

They could have used the official Corps name for the reservoir, Nolin River Lake, to really befuddle people.  Is it a river or a lake?  It's a reservoir!
https://www.lrl.usace.army.mil/Missions/Civil-Works/Recreation/Lakes/Nolin-River-Lake/

Many of the lakes in that part of the state are known by the rivers they're on -- Barren River, Green River, Rough River, etc. In my youth I remember Nolin being called Nolin River Reservoir; or in the alternative, Nolin Lake. It's pronounced "no-lynn" in case anyone wonders.

[jakeroot]

Saved this one from r/IdiotsInCars a while back. Proof that redundancy isn't always effective

Kind of off-topic, kind of related:

This reminds me that there is no sign for not "blocking the box" here in Japan, and in fact entering intersections even when the other side is blocked is actually very common. Drivers on the perpendicular road are basically expected to just put up with it.

Here is an example of a busy three-way intersection below. Even though the receiving roadways to the left and center are both full, drivers still pull out into the intersection regardless. If a gap doesn't come, they just hang out in the junction while it's red and turn or continue straight whenever the opportunity arises, only yielding to cars that have a green light and pedestrians. Obviously more caution is exercised at four-way intersections.


Jagaru West Junction at Rush Hour by Jacob Root, on Flickr

[sprjus4]

In case it isn't obvious, an added lane from I-581 will be coming in on the left side (posted 3 times in a row).



https://www.google.com/maps/@37.3425369,-79.99696,3a,28.8y,223.01h,86.96t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sbVpMiE6NYdIakJEQrHW7DQ!2e0!5s20211201T000000!7i16384!8i8192

It appears this was posted before as a merge sign when the left lane did not continue and simply merged... perhaps then 3 signs may have been necessary to alert motorists with redundancy, but now that it is an added lane condition where the lane continues, I'm not so sure it's necessary.

[Amaury]

I wonder if these count. Two signs for I-90 west Seattle in Ellensburg: https://goo.gl/maps/NXHL81YLiQpKVyzg7

That sign by the tree directly at the westbound freeway entrance didn't used to be there, and the sign in front of the power pole on the right was also different, as it also included I-90 east for Spokane: https://goo.gl/maps/anXWZZKfT5sTYD1X9

[UCFKnights]

is parking allowed here? https://www.google.com/maps/@29.5921584,-82.364146,3a,75y,335.78h,83.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjy6vrSjftjuHN5336KB56A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

[roadman65]

is parking allowed here? https://www.google.com/maps/@29.5921584,-82.364146,3a,75y,335.78h,83.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjy6vrSjftjuHN5336KB56A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/49149837142
You mean this?

[CovalenceSTU]

is parking allowed here? https://www.google.com/maps/@29.5921584,-82.364146,3a,75y,335.78h,83.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjy6vrSjftjuHN5336KB56A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

I've heard that's done to physically prevent trucks from parking on the freeway if the rest stop is full. There used to be something similar on I-5 in Washington, but most of the signs have since dissappeared.

[tckma]

Norristown, PA: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.1127761,-75.3423843,3a,23.3y,317.27h,89.01t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s8jVpTQKJTc42cFXeDPvtvQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D8jVpTQKJTc42cFXeDPvtvQ%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D307.73196%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192

So which is it?  US-202 South, or TO US-202 South?

[roadman65]

Norristown, PA: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.1127761,-75.3423843,3a,23.3y,317.27h,89.01t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s8jVpTQKJTc42cFXeDPvtvQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D8jVpTQKJTc42cFXeDPvtvQ%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D307.73196%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192

So which is it?  US-202 South, or TO US-202 South?

It's the TO as Dekalb is only NB. Nearby Markley is SB US 202.

[kirbykart]

Norristown, PA: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.1127761,-75.3423843,3a,23.3y,317.27h,89.01t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s8jVpTQKJTc42cFXeDPvtvQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D8jVpTQKJTc42cFXeDPvtvQ%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D307.73196%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192

So which is it?  US-202 South, or TO US-202 South?

That's not Department of Redundancy Department. That's Contradictory Signs.