New Jersey

[roadman65]

Has anyone noticed if the US 22/ NJ 82 interchange erected any new signs yet besides WB 22 at Ingersoll Place for NJ 82 EB?

I see at Ingersoll they erected a new cantilever sign that now omits US 22 EB which they seem to be forgetting is how SB Parkway users access US 22 EB being there is no movement to US 22 EB from the SB Parkway.  The sign reads "NJ 82 East Elizabeth."

[storm2k]

Has anyone noticed if the US 22/ NJ 82 interchange erected any new signs yet besides WB 22 at Ingersoll Place for NJ 82 EB?

I see at Ingersoll they erected a new cantilever sign that now omits US 22 EB which they seem to be forgetting is how SB Parkway users access US 22 EB being there is no movement to US 22 EB from the SB Parkway.  The sign reads "NJ 82 East Elizabeth."

I drove thru there in August or so. Not too many other signs yet that I saw at that time, save for this one on the ramp from Morris Ave onto 22. Note that it uses Woodbridge for the Parkway control city, which is a nice change of pace.

As for not signing 22 east there, I think that's perfectly fine on some supplemental signs.

[roadman65]

Let's talk about proper townships over unincorporated communities within the township.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/X1iDcnE4bvYi9EQx9
The guide signs on I-287 NB at Exits 22 A & B list Pluckemin for Exit 22A and Bedminster for Exit 22B.  Both are listed as separate communities in opposing directions as control cities, but Pluckemin is an unincorporated part of Bedminster ( the other direction control) so it's almost like the guide is separating Pluckemin from Bedminster.

Although one could argue that there is a small business area in Bedminster at the intersection of US 202 and CR 523 to be considered the Downtown of Bedminster where signs are to direct motorists that happens to be north from Exit 22B.  Also Bedminster is the home of AT & T and has its corporate offices on US 202/206 north of I-287 that is a factor in signing. However, it's still an oddity and defies the logic of the borders of the municipality of a said community verses an area of it.

[storm2k]

Let's talk about proper townships over unincorporated communities within the township.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/X1iDcnE4bvYi9EQx9
The guide signs on I-287 NB at Exits 22 A & B list Pluckemin for Exit 22A and Bedminster for Exit 22B.  Both are listed as separate communities in opposing directions as control cities, but Pluckemin is an unincorporated part of Bedminster ( the other direction control) so it's almost like the guide is separating Pluckemin from Bedminster.

Although one could argue that there is a small business area in Bedminster at the intersection of US 202 and CR 523 to be considered the Downtown of Bedminster where signs are to direct motorists that happens to be north from Exit 22B.  Also Bedminster is the home of AT & T and has its corporate offices on US 202/206 north of I-287 that is a factor in signing. However, it's still an oddity and defies the logic of the borders of the municipality of a said community verses an area of it.

I live here. Pluckemin is very much considered its own thing completely separate from Bedminster even though it's part of Bedminster Township. Pluckemin has its own post office and ZIP code and you talk about something being in Pluckemin. Bedminster has its own Main Street with some businesses and the like that's north of Pluckemin. The distinction of the two is correct here. Another example is how Exit 33 on 78 lists Martinsville as a control city even though it's an unincorporated part of Bridgewater Township. Exact same scenario. Has its own post office and ZIP code, is considered by all to be its own entity even though it's part of a larger township. The ultimate example is Woodbridge, which is basically ten small towns connected together into one large township. Each has its own distinct identity and most have their own post offices and ZIP codes and each area tends to be signed separately on a lot of highway signage (Exit 132 from the Parkway, for example, or the Smith Street exit from 440), but they are all overall part of one township.

[roadman65]

I know that there is a distinction between the two. It's just ironic in the 22 signage is signing two parts of Bedminster with two different names.

I brought it up as Washington Twp. along Route 42 in South Jersey is the latest to fame control city on I-295 guides with that Direct Connection project and some were commenting how you can't really use unincorporated communities anymore on signs and not to mention that NJ has too many to use on signs these days.   I suggested Williamstown but that place is a part of Monroe just as Pluckemin is part of Bedminster, but Jeff pointed out no can do. Yet here NJDOT still follows old school signing and will sign the unincorporated parts of a larger entity.

[artmalk]

My hometown, Parsippany, is unincorporated, and
I am proud to see new BGS's for Parsippany on 280 West and 46 West.

[SignBridge]

Don't the names Parsippany-Troy Hills always go together? Are they signed that way on 280/46?

[bzakharin]

It's similar to the situation on the Garden State Parkway, where Exit 129 is signed for Woodbridge and Exit 132 for Iselin, which is part of Woodbridge. The thing is, there is Woodbridge proper, with its main street, train station, and mall, whereas Iselin (where I used to work) is centered around NJ 27, Wood Avenue, and Oak Tree Road, and is served by the Metropark train station.

[artmalk]

Don't the names Parsippany-Troy Hills always go together? Are they signed that way on 280/46?

Officially it is Parsippany-Troy Hills Township because  Parsippany and Troy were founded as separate settlements in colonial days. LATER, Troy became Troy Hills so that postmasters would not confuse "Troy, NY" with "Troy, NJ." but the full name is not on any signs. Today, Troy Hills is just a place name within the township, not a separate community.

[Alps]

Don't the names Parsippany-Troy Hills always go together? Are they signed that way on 280/46?

It goes together but it's invariably signed (and known) as just Parsippany to reduce sign width.

[roadman65]

Looks like NJDOT copied ISTHA on I-195. So this is not so unusual signing practices.

https://www.aaroads.com/il/088/i-088-e-exit-094-10.jpg
https://www.aaroads.com/il/088/i-088-e-exit-094-6.jpg

I see they sign long gaps with a guide at previous exits first.

[roadman65]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/pTdj7HVKrkYfUZhc7
Was noticing this guide for NJ 42 South on Deptford Center Road at NJ 41. I see it's the ramp to the NJ 42 freeway as Deptford Center Road terminates at Route 41.

Not only would a Caltrans Freeway Entrance sign be perfect across the intersection, but NJDOT should sign Exit 58 on Route 55 for NJ 42 South instead of TO CR 621 since there is a missing move at Route 55's northern terminus.

[jeffandnicole]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/pTdj7HVKrkYfUZhc7
Was noticing this guide for NJ 42 South on Deptford Center Road at NJ 41. I see it's the ramp to the NJ 42 freeway as Deptford Center Road terminates at Route 41.

Not only would a Caltrans Freeway Entrance sign be perfect across the intersection, but NJDOT should sign Exit 58 on Route 55 for NJ 42 South instead of TO CR 621 since there is a missing move at Route 55's northern terminus.

NJDOT fairly recently replaced the sign gantry on Rt. 55 for Interchange 58, and for whatever reason elected not to post "TO 42 South" on the signage to coordinate with the signage on Rt. 42 referencing "TO Rt. 55". The Pull-Thru sign on 55 here should've also said "North 55 to North 42" since there are no other exits on 55 after Exit 58, IMO.

[roadman65]

https://943thepoint.com/most-expensive-new-jersey-toll-road/
Again as from a previous post, this radio station seems to categorize a bunch of roads with something in common in a specific order that don't jive.

Look at the 25 most dangerous routes in NJ and see how Route 37 is the 25th most dangerous road in the state at 7 fatalities while I-78 makes number 24 with 36 fatal accidents. Are they going on average per mile as Route 37 is only 13.4 mile long verses 67.8 miles of Route 78?

https://943thepoint.com/most-expensive-new-jersey-toll-road/

[roadman65]

 https://maps.app.goo.gl/37Dv2KZ77rFdLFF56
Is there a specific reason why trucks a prohibited on the ramp from NJ 3 East to NJ 495 East in Secaucus?

Another question is why Kennedy Blvd traffic is requested to use the service road crossover from another location.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/ETvpzYjknBVPtUH59

Yes I understand the weaving issue on Rte. 495, but if trucks can remain on Rte. 3 to the second loop ramp, I would think Kennedy Blvd traffic can too.

[Alps]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/37Dv2KZ77rFdLFF56
Is there a specific reason why trucks a prohibited on the ramp from NJ 3 East to NJ 495 East in Secaucus?

Another question is why Kennedy Blvd traffic is requested to use the service road crossover from another location.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/ETvpzYjknBVPtUH59

Yes I understand the weaving issue on Rte. 495, but if trucks can remain on Rte. 3 to the second loop ramp, I would think Kennedy Blvd traffic can too.

You raise a point about JFK Blvd. The other destinations apply, and I think this is trying to get traffic to exit onto Paterson Plank Road and take that to JFK instead of staying on 495 to the JFK exit. That reduces the chance of exit ramp traffic backing up onto the mainline (which it does during the AM peak, and maybe other peak times also).
As far as the truck prohibition, the first thought I have is because most trucks can't use the Tunnel, so it is mostly local and better served in the right lanes instead of left, clearing room for commuting cars to merge.

[SignBridge]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/37Dv2KZ77rFdLFF56
Is there a specific reason why trucks a prohibited on the ramp from NJ 3 East to NJ 495 East in Secaucus?

Another question is why Kennedy Blvd traffic is requested to use the service road crossover from another location.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/ETvpzYjknBVPtUH59

Yes I understand the weaving issue on Rte. 495, but if trucks can remain on Rte. 3 to the second loop ramp, I would think Kennedy Blvd traffic can too.

You raise a point about JFK Blvd. The other destinations apply, and I think this is trying to get traffic to exit onto Paterson Plank Road and take that to JFK instead of staying on 495 to the JFK exit. That reduces the chance of exit ramp traffic backing up onto the mainline (which it does during the AM peak, and maybe other peak times also).
As far as the truck prohibition, the first thought I have is because most trucks can't use the Tunnel, so it is mostly local and better served in the right lanes instead of left, clearing room for commuting cars to merge.

Alps, you say most trucks can't use the tunnel? The only restrictions I know of are those carrying hazardous cargo. Are some other types of trucks prohibited as well? Is there maybe a height restriction?

[plain]

That's basically what he's saying.

[chrisg69911]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/37Dv2KZ77rFdLFF56
Is there a specific reason why trucks a prohibited on the ramp from NJ 3 East to NJ 495 East in Secaucus?

Another question is why Kennedy Blvd traffic is requested to use the service road crossover from another location.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/ETvpzYjknBVPtUH59

Yes I understand the weaving issue on Rte. 495, but if trucks can remain on Rte. 3 to the second loop ramp, I would think Kennedy Blvd traffic can too.

You raise a point about JFK Blvd. The other destinations apply, and I think this is trying to get traffic to exit onto Paterson Plank Road and take that to JFK instead of staying on 495 to the JFK exit. That reduces the chance of exit ramp traffic backing up onto the mainline (which it does during the AM peak, and maybe other peak times also).
As far as the truck prohibition, the first thought I have is because most trucks can't use the Tunnel, so it is mostly local and better served in the right lanes instead of left, clearing room for commuting cars to merge.

Alps, you say most trucks can't use the tunnel? The only restrictions I know of are those carrying hazardous cargo. Are some other types of trucks prohibited as well? Is there maybe a height restriction?

The height limit is 13ft, which most trucks can't fit under since they are usually 13ft 6in

[Alps]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/37Dv2KZ77rFdLFF56
Is there a specific reason why trucks a prohibited on the ramp from NJ 3 East to NJ 495 East in Secaucus?

Another question is why Kennedy Blvd traffic is requested to use the service road crossover from another location.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/ETvpzYjknBVPtUH59

Yes I understand the weaving issue on Rte. 495, but if trucks can remain on Rte. 3 to the second loop ramp, I would think Kennedy Blvd traffic can too.

You raise a point about JFK Blvd. The other destinations apply, and I think this is trying to get traffic to exit onto Paterson Plank Road and take that to JFK instead of staying on 495 to the JFK exit. That reduces the chance of exit ramp traffic backing up onto the mainline (which it does during the AM peak, and maybe other peak times also).
As far as the truck prohibition, the first thought I have is because most trucks can't use the Tunnel, so it is mostly local and better served in the right lanes instead of left, clearing room for commuting cars to merge.

Alps, you say most trucks can't use the tunnel? The only restrictions I know of are those carrying hazardous cargo. Are some other types of trucks prohibited as well? Is there maybe a height restriction?

The height limit is 13ft, which most trucks can't fit under since they are usually 13ft 6in

Yup, plus how many trucks are going into NYC midtown anyway?

[Rothman]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/37Dv2KZ77rFdLFF56
Is there a specific reason why trucks a prohibited on the ramp from NJ 3 East to NJ 495 East in Secaucus?

Another question is why Kennedy Blvd traffic is requested to use the service road crossover from another location.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/ETvpzYjknBVPtUH59

Yes I understand the weaving issue on Rte. 495, but if trucks can remain on Rte. 3 to the second loop ramp, I would think Kennedy Blvd traffic can too.

You raise a point about JFK Blvd. The other destinations apply, and I think this is trying to get traffic to exit onto Paterson Plank Road and take that to JFK instead of staying on 495 to the JFK exit. That reduces the chance of exit ramp traffic backing up onto the mainline (which it does during the AM peak, and maybe other peak times also).
As far as the truck prohibition, the first thought I have is because most trucks can't use the Tunnel, so it is mostly local and better served in the right lanes instead of left, clearing room for commuting cars to merge.

Alps, you say most trucks can't use the tunnel? The only restrictions I know of are those carrying hazardous cargo. Are some other types of trucks prohibited as well? Is there maybe a height restriction?

The height limit is 13ft, which most trucks can't fit under since they are usually 13ft 6in

Yup, plus how many trucks are going into NYC midtown anyway?

I'm always surprised by the semis I've seen on Manhattan.

[roadman65]

If semis are too high for the Lincoln Tunnel, then they're more higher than the reach of the Holland Tunnel as that crossing is only 12'6" that is one half foot less headroom than the Lincoln.

https://www.panynj.gov/bridges-tunnels/en/restrictions.html

[roadman65]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/Cc4ewweZg9hd6Exw6
Found this mileage sign on Route 70 near Lakehurst to be interesting. NJDOT never used these, to my knowledge, on any roadway off of freeways, yet here they've chosen to erect this.

[roadman65]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/w5sT471nfQzC8qvQ6
Found the Google Car to drive Route 495 on a weekday morning as the XBL is in use as well as those outdated pegs to close off the left lane. I thought by now, the PANYNJ or NJDOT would have installed a zipper barrier by now.

[storm2k]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/w5sT471nfQzC8qvQ6
Found the Google Car to drive Route 495 on a weekday morning as the XBL is in use as well as those outdated pegs to close off the left lane. I thought by now, the PANYNJ or NJDOT would have installed a zipper barrier by now.

You can see why they can't do that in the GSV  you linked to. All the overpasses in that area have supports that come into the median. I have to imagine that makes it super difficult to get a zipper machine through. Also, I have no idea how you navigate one of those machines down the helix itself.