Another way to take money out of people's pockets increase vehicle registration fees instead of more tolls(at least in NH) http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090617/GJNEWS_01/706179970/-1/FOSNEWS (http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090617/GJNEWS_01/706179970/-1/FOSNEWS)
I don't really understand the American hatred against taxes. Ofcourse, you don't want the excessive taxing they have over here in Europe, but you also don't want your transportation system to fall apart. At least it stays within the budget of transportation, and not some other branch of the NH government.
Quote from: Chris on June 17, 2009, 09:27:53 AM
I don't really understand the American hatred against taxes.
Too many conservatives.
eh, it's not taxes being used for road maintenance that raise the ire of the average taxpayer. it's bigger projects, like Iraq maintenance and geezer maintenance that are far more hated.
I just read the article, it sucks that the fees are going up,But try this on for size,$200.00 to register an average car for 2 years.That is what we pay in Nova Scotia Canada.
I pay 76 dollars in road tax each month... That adds up to 912 dollars per year.
And that's beside a 42% purchase tax, 19% sales tax (so a new car will cost you 161% of the original price) and $ 7.7 per gallon for gas....
We in Europe, and especially the Netherlands do not understand the American complaints about road fees, gas prices and registration fees...
Quote from: HalifaxTravaler on June 27, 2009, 09:11:26 PM
I just read the article, it sucks that the fees are going up,But try this on for size,$200.00 to register an average car for 2 years.That is what we pay in Nova Scotia Canada.
in Quebec, it's even higher around 240$ :banghead: :angry:
Quote from: Chris on June 28, 2009, 04:49:46 AM
IWe in Europe, and especially the Netherlands do not understand the American complaints about road fees, gas prices and registration fees...
That may be because most of the people who think such taxes are outrageous emigrated here 200 years ago!
Here in the UK road taxation raises $62bn each year but it all goes into central government with only a small proportion spent on transport.
Yeah it's outrageous how much European governments are mooching off of motorists... and you'll get a lot of traffic congestion in return.
Some European countries do it right though, especially places like Portugal and Spain which have a very impressive transportation system.
Quote from: mightyace on June 28, 2009, 01:25:16 PM
That may be because most of the people who think such taxes are outrageous emigrated here 200 years ago!
You know, sometimes I think about moving to the US once. But it's not easy, how to get a good job for instance. Plus, I don't have the resources to do that now. Germany might also be an option, since housing is much more affordable there (once you cross the border, housing prices immediatly drop 150,000 dollars).
Quote from: Chris on June 28, 2009, 04:49:46 AM
I pay 76 dollars in road tax each month... That adds up to 912 dollars per year.
And that's beside a 42% purchase tax, 19% sales tax (so a new car will cost you 161% of the original price) and $ 7.7 per gallon for gas....
We in Europe, and especially the Netherlands do not understand the American complaints about road fees, gas prices and registration fees...
Sweet mothers of children...WHY do you put up with that?
Where the HELL does it all go?! Sounds like y'all need major government downsizing. Does the common man in Europe have ANY money left over for leisure after basic expenditures?
Yeah, my health insurance is only $ 130 per month, and the government compensate me with $ 50 per month for that. So I'm out $ 80 per month for full healthcare coverage.
But still, we do need a smaller government. It's even worse in Scandinavia where half of the population works in the public sector.
That's relative, though. I'm healthy in general, I try to be as healthy as possible. Obviously anything can happen at any time, but I plain and simply don't see the doctor much; so healthcare, at this point in time, is not a massive cost to me.
But seriously - does the commoner in Europe have any appreciable amount of money left over for leisure activities after basic living expenditures? I'm genuinely curious with all the taxation you guys have. I've always known European countries have lots of taxes...but...damn.
Europeans have adjusted their budgets to the fact we're paying a lot of taxes and have high transportation costs. It's also a misconception that Europe is a very rail-minded continent, it's not. We do have a lot of rail, and some places, especially the denser, older cities have high rail ridership, but overall Europe is predominantly a car-minded continent.
Personally, I think most Europeans do not know better than to pay a lot of taxes. Gas prices have been high here like forever, they were in the $ 6 range way before the oil spikes of last year.
However, considering the amount of taxes motorists pay, and how much they get into return (usually around 10 - 15%), it's really a scandal, especially in countries that do little to upgrade road infrastructure, like the Netherlands, Belgium, UK, Denmark, Sweden, Norway etc.
Not all European countries are like that though, there are significant investments in roads in countries like France, Spain, Portugal, Greece, and most Eastern European countries that joined the EU.
High-speed tolling for I-95 is on schedule (http://www.seacoastonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091110/NEWS/911100392/-1/NEWSMAP)
QuoteNew Hampshire's first "open-road tolls," where motorists with E-ZPass will be able to drive through at highway speeds, are on schedule to begin operating May 31, 2010.
Quote from: US-43|72 on June 30, 2009, 10:32:50 AM
But seriously - does the commoner in Europe have any appreciable amount of money left over for leisure activities after basic living expenditures? I'm genuinely curious with all the taxation you guys have. I've always known European countries have lots of taxes...but...damn.
I think Europeans are less consumerist than Americans and so probably don't need as much money.
Quote from: Chris on June 28, 2009, 04:49:46 AM
We in Europe, and especially the Netherlands do not understand the American complaints about road fees, gas prices and registration fees...
well, to start, we Yanks DO have a long-standing tradition of dislike and/or distrust (often well-founded) of government at any level...our Founding Fathers also understood quite well that the power to tax also was the power to destroy....and that tradition of dislike of taxation has continued over the decades....
Second, i think hardly anyone can name a venture that government gets its fingers into that it does well....you usually end up with graft, favoritism, corruption, and those are the good sides! (There was a joke back in the 90s that Americans were afraid that a government-run health system would have all the efficiency of our Postal Service...and all the compassion of the IRS (tax collectors)
So, like so many of my fellow Americans, i get a bit annoyed with ANY government bureaucrat or legislator who acts like my money belongs to them (and what we get to keep after taxes is their generosity towards us...)
just my opinion.....
Not to derail the thread, but the Postal Service is actually rather efficient. They managed to be self-sufficient for years only charging 33 cents to mail a letter. Course, it finally caught up with them, but they went for a good while there without any government subsidies of any kind.
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 27, 2009, 11:35:20 PM
Not to derail the thread, but the Postal Service is actually rather efficient. They managed to be self-sufficient for years only charging 33 cents to mail a letter. Course, it finally caught up with them, but they went for a good while there without any government subsidies of any kind.
Not a derail at all. The federal government's constitutional authority to build highways comes from the phrase "post offices and post roads" in the Constitution.
I would have thought it comes from the necessary and proper clause (which gives the government the power to do whatever it wants, depending on the Supreme Court).
Quote from: ctsignguy on November 27, 2009, 02:39:37 PM
Quote from: Chris on June 28, 2009, 04:49:46 AM
We in Europe, and especially the Netherlands do not understand the American complaints about road fees, gas prices and registration fees...
well, to start, we Yanks DO have a long-standing tradition of dislike and/or distrust (often well-founded) of government at any level...our Founding Fathers also understood quite well that the power to tax also was the power to destroy....and that tradition of dislike of taxation has continued over the decades....
Second, i think hardly anyone can name a venture that government gets its fingers into that it does well....you usually end up with graft, favoritism, corruption, and those are the good sides! (There was a joke back in the 90s that Americans were afraid that a government-run health system would have all the efficiency of our Postal Service...and all the compassion of the IRS (tax collectors)
So, like so many of my fellow Americans, i get a bit annoyed with ANY government bureaucrat or legislator who acts like my money belongs to them (and what we get to keep after taxes is their generosity towards us...)
just my opinion.....
I couldn't have said it better! :clap:
Resurrecting a dead thread, rather than create a new one since the subject fits.
Flew through Manchester this weekend. Noticed construction at the toll booth on I-93 between Manchester and Concord. Looked like they were adding high-speed EZPass lanes.
Are you referring to the Hooksett toll plaza?
If so, I'm surprised construction's started already. The project was advertised at the end of January with construction expected to start in April, and an expected completion this fall, per the NHDOT site, which has plans and presentations: http://www.nh.gov/dot/org/operations/turnpikes/ort/hooksett.htm
They're also studying implementing ORT at bedford on the Everett Turnpike.
Although I could not attend the road meet in Portsmouth today, I did drive through the Hooksett toll plaza's new ORT lanes, which are quite nice. The state is advertising them (and the 30% E-ZPass discount) heavily, with VMSes all around central and southern NH announcing that they are now open.
One thing I noticed though is that the gantry takes a picture of every single car that passes through, with a quite obvious and mildly annoying flash. I had expected it to only photograph people without E-ZPasses. I presume for people with E-ZPasses the pictures are immediately deleted?
It's not allowed to use an E-ZPass tag with an unregistered car, so they might be checking for that.
Quote from: vdeane on June 02, 2013, 12:56:37 PM
It's not allowed to use an E-ZPass tag with an unregistered car, so they might be checking for that.
New Hampshire E-ZPass transactions are processed in real time. But for anyone with an E-ZPass from outside of New Hampshire, the tolls will not post to E-ZPass accounts until at least the next day. All NH DOT knows about the non-NH transponders if if they are linked to an active account, and which toll agency they are associated with. If an otherwise valid transponder does not properly register or otherwise is not able to process a valid transaction (not enough money in the account), then NH DOT has a record of the vehicle license plate and can try to collect the old fashioned way.
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on June 01, 2013, 10:50:47 PM
Although I could not attend the road meet in Portsmouth today, I did drive through the Hooksett toll plaza's new ORT lanes, which are quite nice. The state is advertising them (and the 30% E-ZPass discount) heavily, with VMSes all around central and southern NH announcing that they are now open.
One thing I noticed though is that the gantry takes a picture of every single car that passes through, with a quite obvious and mildly annoying flash. I had expected it to only photograph people without E-ZPasses. I presume for people with E-ZPasses the pictures are immediately deleted?
The photo equipment is actually recording video.
A vehicle going thru an EZ Pass lane is doing so in a fraction of a second, so by the time the system recognizes a car didn't have an EZ Pass (or had one but the account was invalid) the vehicle has already left the toll plaza. The flash you are seeing is probably some sort of time stamp showing when a vehicle went thru.
When it is discovered (probably days later) that a vehicle didn't have an EZ Pass or activite tag, they will research the time stamp, then forward or reverse the video in order to get a clear view of the front or rear license plate of the vehicle. Hopefully a search is done to determine if the license plate is attached to an account; if so, then the account is charged the amount of the toll. If not, then a violation notice is sent to the address registered with the license plate.
This is what occurs in the regular, slower lanes as well...it's just not as obvious.
Looks like something was happening on NH 9/NH 10 north of Keene when Google rolled through (http://goo.gl/maps/LTunJ)...
And that Santa got out of his car to ask questions! The shot looked like it was from late spring/early summer 2012.
Google caught this mishap just after it happened on DE 9-A in Wilmington DE.
http://goo.gl/maps/R5vfI
Mapmikey
Quote from: Mapmikey on January 06, 2014, 09:27:06 AM
Google caught this mishap just after it happened on DE 9-A in Wilmington DE.
http://goo.gl/maps/R5vfI
Mapmikey
What does this have to do with New Hampshire?
I believe it was in response to a previous post a few posts up of a google street view incident in new Hampshire. he was posting a similar incident discovered by google, albeit in another state.
I'm not sure if you already know about these 3 reference markers, but I found them on NH 121 northbound in Atkinson.
Reference marker. Only 3 digits show.
(https://maps.google.com/?ll=42.824647,-71.132339&spn=0.001074,0.001285&t=m&z=19&layer=c&cbll=42.824607,-71.132713&panoid=3pfsa1zwKkG1-12ZBd1SBw&cbp=12,324.64,,2,10.06)
Obstructed by plants in Street View, easy to see in real life. (https://maps.google.com/?ll=42.829509,-71.138425&spn=0.001074,0.001285&t=m&z=19&layer=c&cbll=42.829597,-71.138998&panoid=NoYryeWr5o8NtME0eGVH3A&cbp=12,16.05,,0,25.59) I believe all 12 digits show in real life.
Can't find the 3rd on Street View, but I know it's close to these two, it's northbound, and it's north of Sawyer Ave.
Any updates on the Spaulding Turnpike project near Dover?
Came through there 2 weeks ago....
Not much going on on the Dover side. The area around Exit 6/US 4 will be rebuilt. Actual construction started about even with the Hilton Park interchange (Exit 5, NB only) which is scheduled for closure but still open at the time.
The new Little Bay Bridge (sandwiched between the existing bridge and the original bridge (General Sullivan Bridge) is nearing completion. SB signage has been shifted to be adjacent to the approaches. Outside of line striping, it looks like this new span is almost complete. I believe all traffic will shift to this span so the existing span can be reconstructed. When completed, the new span will carry SB lanes while the old span will carry the NB traffic.
As for the Newington side, a whole lot of construction, right up to Exit 1. The NB roadway is intact but will eventually go away, to be relocated to be next to the SB lanes. Currently the two carriageways are separated, as there was a legal u-turn for SB to NB traffic. The new Exit 3 (a right side exit) is under construction along with its associated new roadways.
I took some pics of the work I'll try to get posted later in the weekend.
Cool, thanks. By saying "near Dover" I'm generalizing–I don't know the towns out 4 and 16 that well. I was there last week and was surprised to see the large scale of construction going on.
The large scale of construction is part of this project (http://www.newington-dover.com), which is effectively rebuilding the Spaulding Turnpike (i.e. NH 16) from Exit 1 (Gosling Rd...first exit north of I-95) to the Dover toll plaza north of Exit 6/US 4. Construction will continue through 2017 (the interchange at US 4 begins later this year). The main highlights:
- Widening/rehabbing the Little Bay Bridge, as shadyjay described above.
- Widening to 6 lanes plus auxiliary lanes from Exit 1 to the Dover Toll Plaza. This will provide a consistent 6-lane section from I-95 to the toll plaza.
- Eliminating Exits 2 and 5 entirely.
- To mitigate the removal of Exit 5 and to serve those houses along the water north of the Little Bay Bridge, Hilton Dr and Dover Point Rd will be connected underneath the north end of the Little Bay Bridge.
- As shadyjay noted, Exit 3 will be reconfigured into a full interchange. Northbound will be a standard diamond configuration with a traffic signal where the ramps meet Woodbury Ave. A new bridge will be built over the turnpike to connect Woodbury Ave with Abroretum Dr. Arboretum Dr, Woodbury Ave, and the southbound ramps will meet at a roundabout with a "free right" from the SB turnpike to Woodbury Ave.
- Between Exit 3 and Exit 4 (the area of the "legal u-turns" mentioned above), the turnpike alignment will be in the middle of the median. The old northbound lanes will be removed, while some of the existing southbound lanes will be preserved to provide access to what was apparently a former drive-thru, located here (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Newington,+NH&hl=en&ll=43.108166,-70.813923&spn=0.004848,0.011351&geocode=+&hnear=Newington,+Rockingham+County,+New+Hampshire&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=43.108028,-70.815844&panoid=k7vAc3XSPfGXy-lg2Zf54g&cbp=12,201.78,,0,7.04).
- Exit 4 will retain its same basic configuration, but with the mainline going in the median, it will be rebuilt with better ramp geometry.
- Exit 6 at US 4 will be rebuilt and simplified into what is effectively a diamond interchange, eliminating both the loop ramp (existing NB 16 to WB 4) and the old northbound on-ramp from Dover Point Rd. The SB off-ramp will still exit to Spur Rd. The US 4/Spur Rd/Boston Harbor Rd intersection will be rebuilt as a roundabout.
Apparent white-out conditions caused a 35-car pileup on I-93 just south of Plymouth, NH this morning:
http://www.wcvb.com/news/50-to-100-car-crash-closes-i93-in-new-hampshire/30498244
Quote from: froggie on January 02, 2015, 01:37:56 PM
Apparent white-out conditions caused a 35-car pileup on I-93 just south of Plymouth, NH this morning:
http://www.wcvb.com/news/50-to-100-car-crash-closes-i93-in-new-hampshire/30498244
Don't know what's worse here - the fact a local police department immediately put out a tweet with the "50 to 100 car" estimate before verifying the actual count, or that the local media (I first saw the story on boston dot com) reprinted the tweet verbatium without checking the information first.
Quote from: roadman on January 02, 2015, 01:47:24 PM
Don't know what's worse here - the fact a local police department immediately put out a tweet with the "50 to 100 car" estimate before verifying the actual count, or that the local media (I first saw the story on boston dot com) reprinted the tweet verbatium without checking the information first.
the "first to get a number out" phenomenon is disturbing. I remember a few years ago the large Moore, OK tornado killed 3 people, then 91, then 51 before finally settling on 25.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on January 02, 2015, 03:56:08 PM
Quote from: roadman on January 02, 2015, 01:47:24 PM
Don't know what's worse here - the fact a local police department immediately put out a tweet with the "50 to 100 car" estimate before verifying the actual count, or that the local media (I first saw the story on boston dot com) reprinted the tweet verbatium without checking the information first.
the "first to get a number out" phenomenon is disturbing. I remember a few years ago the large Moore, OK tornado killed 3 people, then 91, then 51 before finally settling on 25.
Some of those people must have become alive again after they died.
Some of the people gave birth right as they died.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on January 02, 2015, 03:56:08 PM
Quote from: roadman on January 02, 2015, 01:47:24 PM
Don't know what's worse here - the fact a local police department immediately put out a tweet with the "50 to 100 car" estimate before verifying the actual count, or that the local media (I first saw the story on boston dot com) reprinted the tweet verbatium without checking the information first.
the "first to get a number out" phenomenon is disturbing.
Disturbing for a news outlet. Inexcusable for a police department - even though it wasn't NH State Police that issued the first tweets.
Quote from: NE2 on January 02, 2015, 04:09:37 PM
Some of the people gave birth right as they died.
the evangelical right would view this as the most righteously just thing that had ever happened, ever.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on January 02, 2015, 07:06:45 PM
Quote from: NE2 on January 02, 2015, 04:09:37 PM
Some of the people gave birth right as they died.
the evangelical right would view this as the most righteously just thing that had ever happened, ever.
Don't encourage them. Joel Osteen or one of the other televangelists will launch a large media campaign about this as a sad excuse to make money.
Quote from: roadman on January 02, 2015, 01:47:24 PM
Quote from: froggie on January 02, 2015, 01:37:56 PM
Apparent white-out conditions caused a 35-car pileup on I-93 just south of Plymouth, NH this morning:
http://www.wcvb.com/news/50-to-100-car-crash-closes-i93-in-new-hampshire/30498244
Don't know what's worse here - the fact a local police department immediately put out a tweet with the "50 to 100 car" estimate before verifying the actual count, or that the local media (I first saw the story on boston dot com) reprinted the tweet verbatium without checking the information first.
Boston dot com these days is the Globe's "out" when it comes to real journalism. It's something between a blog and a TV news web site. Mostly "not yet ready for print" items.
Quote from: Pete from Boston on January 03, 2015, 01:36:22 AM
Quote from: roadman on January 02, 2015, 01:47:24 PM
Quote from: froggie on January 02, 2015, 01:37:56 PM
Apparent white-out conditions caused a 35-car pileup on I-93 just south of Plymouth, NH this morning:
http://www.wcvb.com/news/50-to-100-car-crash-closes-i93-in-new-hampshire/30498244
Don't know what's worse here - the fact a local police department immediately put out a tweet with the "50 to 100 car" estimate before verifying the actual count, or that the local media (I first saw the story on boston dot com) reprinted the tweet verbatium without checking the information first.
Boston dot com these days is the Globe's "out" when it comes to real journalism. It's something between a blog and a TV news web site. Mostly "not yet ready for print" items.
How dare you disparage boston.com like that (http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/2015/01/04/rob-gronkowski-erotica-here-and-something/Yh72UTJ1ewLjBM9Ruh5P4K/story.html).
This may relate to the New Hampshire Turnpike. I'll ask anyways:
Very near Exit 7 of I-95 in Portsmouth is mile marker 15.6. I don't see a mile marker 16 sign after that before the state line, on or near the Piscataqua River Bridge. Does that mean the bridge isn't a part of the Turnpike? I'm pretty certain that I-95 in New Hampshire is over 16 miles long.
Quote from: KEVIN_224 on January 09, 2015, 07:06:15 PM
This may relate to the New Hampshire Turnpike. I'll ask anyways:
Very near Exit 7 of I-95 in Portsmouth is mile marker 15.6. I don't see a mile marker 16 sign after that before the state line, on or near the Piscataqua River Bridge. Does that mean the bridge isn't a part of the Turnpike? I'm pretty certain that I-95 in New Hampshire is over 16 miles long.
Barely 16 miles (16.08 to be exact). The mile marker would be just inside the over truss, with the state line at or before its midpoint.
Quote from: cl94 on January 10, 2015, 10:18:50 PM
Quote from: KEVIN_224 on January 09, 2015, 07:06:15 PM
This may relate to the New Hampshire Turnpike. I'll ask anyways:
Very near Exit 7 of I-95 in Portsmouth is mile marker 15.6. I don't see a mile marker 16 sign after that before the state line, on or near the Piscataqua River Bridge. Does that mean the bridge isn't a part of the Turnpike? I'm pretty certain that I-95 in New Hampshire is over 16 miles long.
Barely 16 miles (16.08 to be exact). The mile marker would be just inside the over truss, with the state line at or before its midpoint.
But then where's the 15.8 marker?
Quote from: 1 on January 11, 2015, 09:59:54 AM
Quote from: cl94 on January 10, 2015, 10:18:50 PM
Quote from: KEVIN_224 on January 09, 2015, 07:06:15 PM
This may relate to the New Hampshire Turnpike. I'll ask anyways:
Very near Exit 7 of I-95 in Portsmouth is mile marker 15.6. I don't see a mile marker 16 sign after that before the state line, on or near the Piscataqua River Bridge. Does that mean the bridge isn't a part of the Turnpike? I'm pretty certain that I-95 in New Hampshire is over 16 miles long.
Barely 16 miles (16.08 to be exact). The mile marker would be just inside the over truss, with the state line at or before its midpoint.
But then where's the 15.8 marker?
Halfway between those two.
HTH
Mile markers notwithstanding, the bridge is not part of the turnpike, which ends at the Portsmouth traffic circle.
What happened that the <20-mile I-93 expansion is taking so long?
In 2002, it was placed on some kind of "Fast Track" list. The web site (http://m.rebuildingi93.com/documents/schedule/Figure_3_071007.pdf) for the project says requests for bids on the last segments won't be advertised until 2016, making it a 16- or 17-year-long process. This timeline is getting to be in a class with that of the Big Dig.
Quote from: Pete from Boston on February 15, 2015, 10:34:48 AM
What happened that the <20-mile I-93 expansion is taking so long?
In 2002, it was placed on some kind of "Fast Track" list. The web site (http://m.rebuildingi93.com/documents/schedule/Figure_3_071007.pdf) for the project says requests for bids on the last segments won't be advertised until 2016, making it a 16- or 17-year-long process. This timeline is getting to be in a class with that of the Big Dig.
or at least nearing the Route 128 add-a-lane timeline.
Funding, or lack thereof. The gas tax increase that New Hampshire approved last year was in no small part to pay for the rest of I-93 widening.
Quote from: froggie on February 17, 2015, 08:27:51 AM
Funding, or lack thereof. The gas tax increase that New Hampshire approved last year was in no small part to pay for the rest of I-93 widening.
I thought it was to counteract the removal of tolls on Exit 12 on the Everett Turnpike.
Nope...those tolls were only a very small amount of revenue. Certainly not such requiring a 4+ cent increase in the tax.
No, finishing the widening of I-93 was SPECIFICALLY cited as a primary factor in the gas tax increase...roughly 2/5 of the additional revenue goes to I-93 and paying off the bonds being used to finish the widening.
This feeds back into the mention in another thread of why New Hampshire doesn't fund commuter rail extensions into that state when it seems like such a logical move. It surprises me that tax-hostile New Hampshire even went for that four-cent increase, but I guess it shows how desperate they were to get that project funded and finished.
Quote from: Pete from Boston on February 17, 2015, 01:27:42 PM
It surprises me that tax-hostile New Hampshire even went for that four-cent increase, but I guess it shows how desperate they were to get that project funded and finished.
Tax-hostile NH isn't nearly as tax-hostile as it once was, mostly because William Loeb is dead.
Quote from: SidS1045 on February 17, 2015, 01:38:45 PM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on February 17, 2015, 01:27:42 PM
It surprises me that tax-hostile New Hampshire even went for that four-cent increase, but I guess it shows how desperate they were to get that project funded and finished.
Tax-hostile NH isn't nearly as tax-hostile as it once was, mostly because William Loeb is dead.
Much of southern NH is now known as
Massachusetts Lite.
QuoteThis feeds back into the mention in another thread of why New Hampshire doesn't fund commuter rail extensions into that state when it seems like such a logical move.
I recently learned that NHDOT actually studied that in an "I-93 Transit Study" (http://www.nh.gov/dot/programs/i93transit/index.htm) about 5 years ago. Amongst the options considered were a regional rail service extending to Concord (the "Capital Corridor"....something similar to the Downeaster in Maine), a T extension to Nashua, and a T extension to Manchester. The regional rail service to Concord is still being considered, but the study's recommendation was for a T extension via Salem to north Londonderry near the I-93/NH 28/Exit 5 interchange.
Quote from: froggie on February 18, 2015, 12:00:50 PM
QuoteThis feeds back into the mention in another thread of why New Hampshire doesn't fund commuter rail extensions into that state when it seems like such a logical move.
I recently learned that NHDOT actually studied that in an "I-93 Transit Study" (http://www.nh.gov/dot/programs/i93transit/index.htm) about 5 years ago. Amongst the options considered were a regional rail service extending to Concord (the "Capital Corridor"....something similar to the Downeaster in Maine), a T extension to Nashua, and a T extension to Manchester. The regional rail service to Concord is still being considered, but the study's recommendation was for a T extension via Salem to north Londonderry near the I-93/NH 28/Exit 5 interchange.
I imagine, after the past couple of weeks, those T ideas will go down the drain. Extending Lowell to Nashua, with maybe a stop in North Chelmsford, would be a pretty intelligent idea.
Quote from: Cjzani on February 18, 2015, 03:23:49 PMI imagine, after the past couple of weeks, those T ideas will go down the drain.
Maybe, maybe not. I would hope that it wouldn't be dead in the water - it would be nice to have dual MBTA/Amtrak service, IMO.
Quote from: froggie on February 18, 2015, 12:00:50 PMI recently learned that NHDOT actually studied that in an "I-93 Transit Study" (http://www.nh.gov/dot/programs/i93transit/index.htm) about 5 years ago. Amongst the options considered were a regional rail service extending to Concord (the "Capital Corridor"....something similar to the Downeaster in Maine), a T extension to Nashua, and a T extension to Manchester. The regional rail service to Concord is still being considered, but the study's recommendation was for a T extension via Salem to north Londonderry near the I-93/NH 28/Exit 5 interchange.
While its not uncommon for state transit agencies to have facilities/serve in adjacent states; I believe there is a threshold limit regarding how far into the state and/or how extensive the service can be to the adjacent state.
While I can see the MBTA (aka the T) extending one of their commuter rail lines to Nashua, NH; I don't see them taking ownership of any extension further north (Manchester and Concord). Such would have to be done via Amtrak or whatever NH transit agency that serves the area.
Commuter rail serving southern New Hampshire seems like a no brainer. Unfortunately in recent memory, NH only wants service if they don't have to pay for it. Amtrak's Downeaster service is funded by the state of Maine, while the Vermonter (which serves Claremont NH) is funded by Vermont. The New Hampshire stations contribute quite a bit of $$$ to the bottom line, and the demand seems like its definitely there. Regarding the "Capital Corridor", NH should fund the T extension to Nashua, then progress northward from there. RI has been doing the same thing... first Providence, then TF Green Airport, then Wickford Jct, and Kingston next.
http://www.wcsh6.com/story/news/local/2015/03/05/spaulding-tollbooth-crash-dover/24474825/
The New Hampshire DOT released the video of Thursday's toll booth crash on the Spaulding Turnpike. Wow! :(
I don't know if this is supposed to be in the MA or the NH topic but the Exit 1 on Everett Turnpike is really badly signed. You cross over from MA and suddenly theres the Exit, I had to badly cut across to get to it. Theres no advanced signs for it, and suddenly hidden behind bushes there the Exit 1 Right Lane sign and if you're not careful its easy to miss entirely.
Quote from: mariethefoxy on July 21, 2015, 04:44:00 PM
I don't know if this is supposed to be in the MA or the NH topic but the Exit 1 on Everett Turnpike is really badly signed. You cross over from MA and suddenly theres the Exit, I had to badly cut across to get to it. Theres no advanced signs for it, and suddenly hidden behind bushes there the Exit 1 Right Lane sign and if you're not careful its easy to miss entirely.
How did you manage to get from Long Island to New Hampshire in 11 minutes by car? (Your previous post, asking how to get to Nashua while passing through Vermont, was 11 minutes before this one.)
Quote from: 1 on July 21, 2015, 05:42:09 PM
Quote from: mariethefoxy on July 21, 2015, 04:44:00 PM
I don't know if this is supposed to be in the MA or the NH topic but the Exit 1 on Everett Turnpike is really badly signed. You cross over from MA and suddenly theres the Exit, I had to badly cut across to get to it. Theres no advanced signs for it, and suddenly hidden behind bushes there the Exit 1 Right Lane sign and if you're not careful its easy to miss entirely.
How did you manage to get from Long Island to New Hampshire in 11 minutes by car? (Your previous post, asking how to get to Nashua while passing through Vermont, was 11 minutes before this one.)
Dude I wish there was a way to make that trip that fast. But I never left yet and I'm referring to previous trips to that area.
Northbound I-93 in Concord is closed due to a sinkhole that formed in the left lane just before Exit 14. NECN has overhead video (http://www.necn.com/news/new-england/Part-of-I-93-in-New-Hampshire-Closed-Due-to-Sinkhole-322303562.html). WMUR has ground-level photos (http://www.wmur.com/news/northbound-side-of-i93-closed-in-concord-area-due-to-sinkhole/34801796).
Quote from: froggie on August 19, 2015, 03:15:14 PM
Northbound I-93 in Concord is closed due to a sinkhole that formed in the left lane just before Exit 14. NECN has overhead video (http://www.necn.com/news/new-england/Part-of-I-93-in-New-Hampshire-Closed-Due-to-Sinkhole-322303562.html). WMUR has ground-level photos (http://www.wmur.com/news/northbound-side-of-i93-closed-in-concord-area-due-to-sinkhole/34801796).
At the top of their 5 pm broadcast, WBZ Channel 4 had a 20 second blurb with an overhead shot, then decided that the idiotic saga of the underinflated football was more important. Of course, no mention of how bad the backup had become (in fairness, MetroTraffic gave no backup details in their reports either).
http://www.wmur.com/news/northbound-side-of-i93-closed-in-concord-area-due-to-sinkhole/34801796
An updated link about the whole mess.
I just saw on Facebook that some idiot got a DUI after he was caught driving towards the hole on I-93.
Quote from: The Nature Boy on August 19, 2015, 09:50:47 PM
I just saw on Facebook that some idiot got a DUI after he was caught driving towards the hole on I-93.
Imagine having to tell your family if you ended up driving in. :pan:
1: So d'ya know about the sinkhole that opened up on I-93?
2: Yeah?
1: Kinda drove into it, yeah...
If nobody saw, I-93 reopened last night per NHDOT's Facebook page. Insane amount of fill and concrete they poured in there.
I headed to Mt Washington for the day this past Saturday, taking in I-93 from the VT state line down to Exit 40. Since my last visit last year, I noticed signs were finally replaced for Exits 43 & 44. It also got me thinking into the old signage for Exits 42, 41, and 40. Exit 41 used to have signage for US 302, NH 116, and NH 18, but now just shows NH 116 NORTH. Exit 40 used to show signage for "US 302/NH 10 EAST" but was shortened to just "US 302 EAST", with no mention of NH 116 and 18 which also are cosigned here. Then I began to wonder, if NH 10 was signed at Exit 40, where did it end? My DeLorme Topo USA program shows US 302 and NH 10 cosigned with each other right up to the US 3 jct in Twin Mountain. And an old Rand McNally atlas of mine from the late 1970s shows NH 10 east of I-93.
So when was NH 10 truncated back to end (pretty much) at I-93 Exit 42? And why on earth was it routed along US 302 to just randomly end at US 3 in Twin Mountain? Seems kind of a weird place for it to end. Or was NH 10 and US 302 even cosigned east of Exit 42/40, or was it more of a "paper routing" than anything?
(the Wiki article on NH 10 states that it officially ends where it first meets US 302 in Woodsville, though it states NHDOT continues it to Littleton for historical sake. No mention of it extending to Twin Mtn).
A relic from the New England Interstate days?
Quote from: yakra on September 22, 2015, 01:27:23 AM
A relic from the New England Interstate days?
This looks to be the case since it "continues" as MA Route 10 and later CT Route 10.
I kind of wish the New England Interstate system still existed. It would be a useful navigational tool. It could just be a signing thing with the status quo still existing in terms of funding.
Quote from: The Nature Boy on September 22, 2015, 06:58:29 AM
Quote from: yakra on September 22, 2015, 01:27:23 AM
A relic from the New England Interstate days?
This looks to be the case since it "continues" as MA Route 10 and later CT Route 10.
I kind of wish the New England Interstate system still existed. It would be a useful navigational tool. It could just be a signing thing with the status quo still existing in terms of funding.
It almost de facto exists anyway.
Quote from: Pete from Boston on September 22, 2015, 07:07:27 AM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on September 22, 2015, 06:58:29 AM
Quote from: yakra on September 22, 2015, 01:27:23 AM
A relic from the New England Interstate days?
This looks to be the case since it "continues" as MA Route 10 and later CT Route 10.
I kind of wish the New England Interstate system still existed. It would be a useful navigational tool. It could just be a signing thing with the status quo still existing in terms of funding.
It almost de facto exists anyway.
Oh certainly. I just want to see one of these in the wild again.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/New_England_10.svg/30px-New_England_10.svg.png)
Resurrecting this thread for an update after last weekend's flooding. A number of NH state routes in the western part of the state were closed due to flash flooding last weekend and a few remain closed as of yesterday. NH 25A in Orford was the hardest hit, with a number of segments being completely washed out (including one in front of the house of a friend of ours).
http://www.wmur.com/article/roads-damaged-in-powerful-storms-remain-closed/10262070
I-93 and it has a parkway section though. This is one of a few interstate with a parkway section in the route and its a 2 lane highway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu2_XIr4M_M
http://www.wmur.com/article/i-93-south-closed-in-londonderry-because-of-debris-falling-from-bridge/12108136
I-93 Southbound is closed at Exit 4 (NH 102) in Londonderry this evening and overnight. Concrete fell from the underside of the NH 102 overpass onto the southbound lanes earlier this afternoon. At least one car was reported to have sustained damage.
As this is part of the I-93 widening project, a replacement bridge is already under construction, but won't be complete until next year.
Been poking around Google Street View in areas where I used to live in New England. Yes, I'm bored.
I lived in Nashua in 2001-2002, and left New England entirely at the end of 2007 to take a new job in the DC area.
I notice that all signs referencing the "welcome center" at Exit 6 off US-3 / the Everett Turnpike in Nashua seems to have been removed. Its actual location is marked in Google Maps as "Nashua DMV." Okay. I seem to recall having to go to City Hall to get license plates and a separate office in Merrimack to get my driver's license.
Anyhow, when did this change occur? Were other rest areas closed?
Quote from: tckma on September 08, 2017, 05:44:48 PM
Been poking around Google Street View in areas where I used to live in New England. Yes, I'm bored.
I lived in Nashua in 2001-2002, and left New England entirely at the end of 2007 to take a new job in the DC area.
I notice that all signs referencing the "welcome center" at Exit 6 off US-3 / the Everett Turnpike in Nashua seems to have been removed. Its actual location is marked in Google Maps as "Nashua DMV." Okay. I seem to recall having to go to City Hall to get license plates and a separate office in Merrimack to get my driver's license.
Anyhow, when did this change occur? Were other rest areas closed?
The signs say EZPass Walk in Center Exit 6 on Everett. (not a Nashua resident but I've been up there often enough as I dated someone who lived there last year)
Quote from: mariethefoxy on September 11, 2017, 04:01:22 AM
Quote from: tckma on September 08, 2017, 05:44:48 PM
The signs say EZPass Walk in Center Exit 6 on Everett. (not a Nashua resident but I've been up there often enough as I dated someone who lived there last year)
Lived at Exit 1 and dated someone who lived at Exit 6. But that was LONG ago.
Quote from: tckma on September 08, 2017, 05:44:48 PM
Anyhow, when did this change occur? Were other rest areas closed?
According to this page.... http://www.vnews.com/Archives/2015/12/NHRestAreas-ndb-vn-121215
.... 4 welcome centers/rest areas were closed in 2011: Rumney, Antrim, Shelburne and Epsom, so probably Nashua closed about that time.
Quote from: tckma on September 08, 2017, 05:44:48 PM
Been poking around Google Street View in areas where I used to live in New England. Yes, I'm bored.
I lived in Nashua in 2001-2002, and left New England entirely at the end of 2007 to take a new job in the DC area.
I notice that all signs referencing the "welcome center" at Exit 6 off US-3 / the Everett Turnpike in Nashua seems to have been removed. Its actual location is marked in Google Maps as "Nashua DMV." Okay. I seem to recall having to go to City Hall to get license plates and a separate office in Merrimack to get my driver's license.
Anyhow, when did this change occur? Were other rest areas closed?
https://www.nh.gov/dot/media/nr2010/nr101210nashua.htm
Apparently Nov. 2010
I have another question.
New England doesn't normally have grids. However, I noticed that in and near Farmington, NH, there is a resemblance to a grid where the axes are NE-SW and SE-NW (45° away from cardinal direction grids). This grid has mostly minor roads, although about 2 miles of NH 75 is aligned with the grid. Ten Rod Rd. (Exit 14 on NH 16) is also aligned to the grid. This grid is nowhere near complete; it might be more accurate to say it's a lot of 45° diagonal roads with no pattern.
Why does this grid exist, especially in a mostly rural area in New England?
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmaps.googleapis.com%2Fmaps%2Fapi%2Fstaticmap%3Fcenter%3D43.3851%2C-71.0668%26amp%3Bzoom%3D12%26amp%3Bsize%3D600x600&hash=5bfbb8456558f172be5f7b88fbff51663006f6ec)
(Note: Minor roads inside the Farmington "urban area" are not shown.)
EDIT: https → http so that the image shows again
Quote from: 1 on December 20, 2017, 09:57:40 AM
I have another question.
New England doesn't normally have grids. However, I noticed that in and near Farmington, NH, there is a resemblance to a grid where the axes are NE-SW and SE-NW (45° away from cardinal direction grids). This grid has mostly minor roads, although about 2 miles of NH 75 is aligned with the grid. Ten Rod Rd. (Exit 14 on NH 16) is also aligned to the grid. This grid is nowhere near complete; it might be more accurate to say it's a lot of 45° diagonal roads with no pattern.
Why does this grid exist, especially in a mostly rural area in New England?
(https://maps.googleapis.com/maps/api/staticmap?center=43.3851,-71.0668&zoom=12&size=600x600)
(Note: Minor roads inside the Farmington "urban area" are not shown.)
You're seeing a pattern brought about by topography. Since land occurs in large chunks (1 square mile in the "grid states", smaller in the east), trails will tend to run parallel at a reasonable distance from each other. The first trail follows the bottom of a ridge, the next trails follow suit until another ridge disrupts things. Perpendicular lines also make sense in that context.
It should also be noted that the "grid" roughly aligns with the town's overall boundaries (not just the "urban area" that Google Maps shows).
If you were hoping New Hampshire would soon be joining CT and RI as New England states adopting milepost based exit numbering, you'll be disappointed by the text of this news article:
http://www.concordmonitor.com/highway-exit-numbers-renumber-nh-14082582 (http://www.concordmonitor.com/highway-exit-numbers-renumber-nh-14082582)
Not a true conditional.
The description of Maine's recent political climate made me lol. :-D
http://www.wmur.com/article/nhdot-proposes-widening-interstate-93-in-concord/18205101
The New Hampshire DOT mentioned this possible I-93 widening project on their Facebook page. The story is linked from WMUR-TV (ABC) channel 9 of Manchester.
^ I'd posted about this in 2014 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=14114.0) (albeit in the Fictional Roads folder). Their current proposal for the 93/393 interchange is noticeably different from what was proposed then (https://www.flickr.com/photos/ajfroggie/15283503183/in/set-72157649508130032).
Quote from: KEVIN_224 on February 16, 2018, 07:43:09 AM
http://www.wmur.com/article/nhdot-proposes-widening-interstate-93-in-concord/18205101
The New Hampshire DOT mentioned this possible I-93 widening project on their Facebook page. The story is linked from WMUR-TV (ABC) channel 9 of Manchester.
"I'm also active in the local bike pedestrian advocacy with the city and just want to make sure we're not being forgotten," said Greg Bakos, vice chair of the Bike Walk Alliance of New Hampshire.
As a cyclist, I loathe these people. What does this have to do with widening 93? Ensuring less traffic jams on 93 automatically makes it better for peds and cyclists because you don't have people trying to avoid the traffic jam.
Another reason to consider AET's
http://www.wmur.com/article/everett-turnpike-closed-after-fiery-crash-at-bedford-tolls/19621934
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on March 28, 2018, 03:04:18 PM
Another reason to consider AET's
http://www.wmur.com/article/everett-turnpike-closed-after-fiery-crash-at-bedford-tolls/19621934
Third in my lifetime I can remember off the top of my head on the Everett.
Every time I go through the Bedford tolls I keep wondering why they didn't put in gantry lanes when they rebuilt it a few years back.
I remember there being an accident at the toll plaza on I-95 in Hampton once.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on March 28, 2018, 03:04:18 PM
Another reason to consider AET's
http://www.wmur.com/article/everett-turnpike-closed-after-fiery-crash-at-bedford-tolls/19621934
https://www.revolvermag.com/music/cave-old-man-gloom-bassistvocalist-caleb-scofield-dead-39
Liked the band Cave In he was in. They were from Methuen MA, but were a national act.
http://www.wmur.com/article/sarah-long-bridge-between-nh-maine-opens-friday/19639747
Except for some cosmetic work, the bridge between Portsmouth, NH and Kittery, ME is now open! :)
Coverage in the Portland Press Herald is, shall we say, a bit less celebratory:
State and Cianbro trade blame as new bridge opens 7 months latehttps://www.pressherald.com/2018/03/30/cianbro-maine-dot-trade-blame-for-seven-months-late-opening-of-bridge/
QuoteThe Sarah Mildred Long Bridge project is the state's most expensive, and records show it appears to be the most contentious, with a dispute over millions in payments likely to come next.
I-93 through Franconia Notch closed due to high winds blowing multiple trucks over.
https://twitter.com/newhampshiredot/status/985971213905297410?s=21
Took a little weekend trip to New Hampshire. Noticed the replacement of the former small green signs along portions of US 4 and NH 11 in favor of more traditional signage. For example, this sign is gone now:
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.5258605,-71.8625962,3a,42.9y,156.19h,85.76t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDmgO8sCFUY3-PQv6Y8Sp4g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
So is this, and the whole intersection revamped:
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.6464543,-72.1885459,3a,31.5y,200.95h,82.92t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAJAGwdfMPI6Mz4jpVlGWzA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
In lieu of the LGS (little green signs), the new normal is city/town names on a separate sign, and routes shown with traditional directional/shield/arrow signs, on par with the rest of New England (except Mass.).
Quote from: shadyjay on June 24, 2018, 07:06:22 PM
So is this, and the whole intersection revamped:
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.6464543,-72.1885459,3a,31.5y,200.95h,82.92t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAJAGwdfMPI6Mz4jpVlGWzA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Looks like there's a new bridge there too, yes?
Quote from: yakra on June 25, 2018, 05:32:00 PM
Quote from: shadyjay on June 24, 2018, 07:06:22 PM
So is this, and the whole intersection revamped:
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.6464543,-72.1885459,3a,31.5y,200.95h,82.92t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAJAGwdfMPI6Mz4jpVlGWzA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Looks like there's a new bridge there too, yes?
I believe that was a redecking and not a full replacement.
I'm pretty sure it was a new bridge, but not 100% positive. The intersection itself is now just a "T" with no direct ramp from 4E->4A.
Jay's right. Just checked NHDOT bridge records and it was replaced in 2015. Probably the same time that the 4/4A intersection was redone.
The 4/11 jct in Andover/Potter Place was also reconfigured in recent years. US 4 ran below and had two sets of ramps connecting it with NH 11 (above). There was a direct NH 11 WB->US 4 WB ramp (the two are cosigned east of here), and all other access was via a 2-way street near the location of the new park & ride in this Google streetview:
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.4382094,-71.8589298,3a,57.6y,109.17h,71.31t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sOhaO1XsjWij08ybxkoCEDA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Also in the image, you can see the new style generic route signing NH is switching to. Before, US 4 (left and straight) and NH 11 (straight) would be shown on a single LGS, usually with no directionals given.
The old bridge which carried NH 11 over US 4 and the former Northern Line of the B&M Railroad was removed and filled in, with a large culvert for the old railroad grade, now a walking path.
Slightly different than that. The WB 11 to WB 4 ramp also provided access to Depot St...it was simply a westbound off-ramp. Likewise, there was an eastbound off-ramp loop from EB 11. The "two-way street" you refer to is where the Depot St connection to 4/11 is now, but was really just a one-way access from EB 4 and Depot St to 11. For most intents, the overall function was very close to a folded-diamond interchange except that you didn't have a direct WB 11 on-ramp.
Construction on this was 2009-2010.
http://hudsonnh.gov/node/5302
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhudsonnh.gov%2Fdocs%2Feng%2Feng-overall-layout.jpg&hash=85205f6ece6e2f246ad0c71b0b5a079c4a6f30a7)
So a part of the Nashua Circumferential Highway is back from the dead. The town of Hudson is looking to extend it northeast of NH 3A to end at NH 111 east of Hudson center, giving it the name of Hudson Blvd. The current terminus at 3A will become a SPUI, with traffic signals at four road crossings (plus one road that will bridge over with no access, the dead end Trigate Rd) and an at-grade intersection end at 111 (no mention, but presume traffic signal).
The good news is almost all the right-of-way along it has already been bought up, so land acquisition costs should be very little, and is claimed to actually be zero in the overall plans.
As someone who drives up enough (my mom lives in town), and has seen even in a few years what a mess 3A is much of the day north of the highway, the need is starting to become apparent.
^ Read through the grant application. The town has submitted a BUILD grant (current administration's rendition of the former TIGER grants) request for $25 million. Total project cost is estimated at $45 million, and the town will cover the remaining $20 million.
Assuming they get it built, the town will own the road (so it will likely not get a route number) and be responsible for maintenance. That said, they're expecting to build it to NHDOT standards, albeit at a 35 MPH design speed. And NHDOT has "reserved the right" to build the Circumferential Highway along the corridor in the future...the application mentions that it would be part of the turnpike system and be tolled if that happens.
Quote from: SectorZ on October 28, 2018, 06:00:53 PM
So a part of the Nashua Circumferential Highway is back from the dead. The town of Hudson is looking to extend it northeast of NH 3A to end at NH 111 east of Hudson center, giving it the name of Hudson Blvd. The current terminus at 3A will become a SPUI, with traffic signals at four road crossings (plus one road that will bridge over with no access, the dead end Trigate Rd) and an at-grade intersection end at 111 (no mention, but presume traffic signal).
Good. That highway, er, rather, bridge always seemed to me to be merely an overbuilt approach to the Hudson Wal-Mart back in 2001-02 when I lived in South Nashua. There was talk of building the highway out even back then. And NH-3A was my preferred escape from US-3 to get to work (I worked in Tewksbury, MA at the time), but even then it was terrible on some days.
Quote from: tckma on October 29, 2018, 09:42:57 AM
Quote from: SectorZ on October 28, 2018, 06:00:53 PM
So a part of the Nashua Circumferential Highway is back from the dead. The town of Hudson is looking to extend it northeast of NH 3A to end at NH 111 east of Hudson center, giving it the name of Hudson Blvd. The current terminus at 3A will become a SPUI, with traffic signals at four road crossings (plus one road that will bridge over with no access, the dead end Trigate Rd) and an at-grade intersection end at 111 (no mention, but presume traffic signal).
Good. That highway, er, rather, bridge always seemed to me to be merely an overbuilt approach to the Hudson Wal-Mart back in 2001-02 when I lived in South Nashua. There was talk of building the highway out even back then. And NH-3A was my preferred escape from US-3 to get to work (I worked in Tewksbury, MA at the time), but even then it was terrible on some days.
That proposed circumferential highway has been
on-again/off-again for at least 45 years.
Quote from: PHLBOS on October 29, 2018, 10:02:19 AM
That proposed circumferential highway has been on-again/off-again for at least 45 years.
The Circumferential Highway is the New Hampshire equivalent of the Long Island Sound bridge - proposed forever, but never getting built.
Quote from: cl94 on October 29, 2018, 03:11:58 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on October 29, 2018, 10:02:19 AM
That proposed circumferential highway has been on-again/off-again for at least 45 years.
The Circumferential Highway is the New Hampshire equivalent of the Long Island Sound bridge - proposed forever, but never getting built.
I would rather have had it connect to MA 213 (I have a screenshot, and you might have seen it before, but this isn't in Fictional Highways), but this proposal is at least better than nothing.
Quote from: cl94 on October 29, 2018, 03:11:58 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on October 29, 2018, 10:02:19 AM
That proposed circumferential highway has been on-again/off-again for at least 45 years.
The Circumferential Highway is the New Hampshire equivalent of the Long Island Sound bridge - proposed forever, but never getting built.
I'd argue that Nashua's "Circ" has a better chance than anything over Long Island...
Was up in Derry on Saturday, so I decided to check out the new southbound I-93 on my way back. Striped as three lanes with a wide left shoulder (for apparent conversion to a fourth lane at some point). Hardly any traffic.
The northbound section of I-93 is still two lanes, as the Jersey barrier that separated northbound and southbound traffic hasn't yet been removed.
Because of where I was in Derry, it was easiest for me to use the "NB I-93 Emergency Detour" to get to Route 102 in Londonderry, then onto I-93 south. Interesting to note that a portion of this detour is routed over a street that is signed "NO THRU TRUCKS".
Also, NO signs have been put up on 102 east marking the entrance to I-93 south, and the horribly faded Junction sign for I-93 hasn't yet been replaced.
^ Given that the last time I was through there (about 6 weeks ago), a lot of work was still needing to be done at the 102 interchange, I'm presuming the "new southbound I-93" begins at some point south of that.
Quote from: froggie on December 03, 2018, 05:42:43 PM
^ Given that the last time I was through there (about 6 weeks ago), a lot of work was still needing to be done at the 102 interchange, I'm presuming the "new southbound I-93" begins at some point south of that.
That is correct. The new wider I-93 southbound starts south of Route 102.
Quote from: cl94 on October 29, 2018, 03:11:58 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on October 29, 2018, 10:02:19 AM
That proposed circumferential highway has been on-again/off-again for at least 45 years.
The Circumferential Highway is the New Hampshire equivalent of the Long Island Sound bridge - proposed forever, but never getting built.
I'd compare it to the CT 11 extension to I-95 (although it's officially dead).
Does New Hampshire have any future plans to convert their exit numbers to mileage-based? Since Rhode Island is doing it, Vermont will do it, Connecticut is slowly doing it, New York is a eventual maybe, and Massachusetts canceled their plan, New Hampshire is the only New England state that I've heard that hasn't announced a plan for a sequential-to-milepost exit renumbering.
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on December 07, 2018, 04:50:20 PM
Does New Hampshire have any future plans to convert their exit numbers to mileage-based? Since Rhode Island is doing it, Vermont will do it, Connecticut is slowly doing it, New York is a eventual maybe, and Massachusetts canceled their plan, New Hampshire is the only New England state that I've heard that hasn't announced a plan for a sequential-to-milepost exit renumbering.
I posted this article a year ago regarding NH's lack of interest, largely due to budget issues:
https://www.concordmonitor.com/highway-exit-numbers-renumber-nh-14082582 (https://www.concordmonitor.com/highway-exit-numbers-renumber-nh-14082582)
Of course, the politicians cite the costs of replacing all the signs not just the exit tabs.
^^ Vermont hasn't announced anything either.
Quote from: froggie on December 07, 2018, 07:01:54 PM
^^ Vermont hasn't announced anything either.
Wasn't there an article or something posted to the forum a while ago?
That was an article about how the Governor and transportation commissioner are opposed to changing to mile-based exits.
Quote from: froggie on December 07, 2018, 09:54:20 PM
That was an article about how the Governor and transportation commissioner are opposed to changing to mile-based exits.
Found it:
Quote from: jcroyer80 on April 12, 2018, 04:21:59 PM
Noticed in the most recent STP that Vermont has allocated money in fiscal year 2018 and 2019 for "Public Awareness and Preparedness campaign for replacement of existing sequential Interstate exit signs with referential (mile marker) exit signs."
In the FY2019 Transportation Plan, as recommended by the Governor, construction costs for the "Replacement of Existing Sequential Exit Signs with Referential Exit Signs" are listed for FY 2020 ($145,000) and FY 2021 ($475,000).
I wonder if a certain email sent after this post tipped off the governor?
I actually never got around to sending that email. Was thinking it, but never fully drafted it.
Quote from: SidS1045 on February 17, 2015, 01:38:45 PM
It surprises me that tax-hostile New Hampshire even went for that four-cent increase, but I guess it shows how desperate they were to get that project funded and finished.
It does seem less libertarian. I was in Portsmouth this week and bought a lighter at a Rite Aid. The clerk asked me for Photo ID. I'm in my 50s.
Swimming in this thread I see that the Long Bridge on Bypass 1 was recently finished. There's still construction south of there near the traffic circle. It's funny the businesses that you see on state lines. I assume that Maine has a sales tax, but the outlet stores are in Kittery. Bypass 1 has some adult bookstores. Doesn't New Hampshire have the Internet?
Quote from: jon daly on May 10, 2019, 07:08:44 AM
It does seem less libertarian. I was in Portsmouth this week and bought a lighter at a Rite Aid. The clerk asked me for Photo ID. I'm in my 50s.
Rite-Aid company policy perhaps?
Quote from: roadman on May 10, 2019, 09:09:22 AM
Quote from: jon daly on May 10, 2019, 07:08:44 AM
It does seem less libertarian. I was in Portsmouth this week and bought a lighter at a Rite Aid. The clerk asked me for Photo ID. I'm in my 50s.
Rite-Aid company policy perhaps?
Could be. All the ones near me became Walgreens a while back.
In my opinion, New Hampshire State Route 112 from Swiftwater to North Woodstock is an overlooked New England scenic drive. Although not as popular as the Kancamagus Highway that NH 112 follows as it continues east over the White Mountains, this western segment of NH 112 still has amazing scenic views especially in the fall. I thoroughly enjoyed this drive in the autumns of 2003 and 05.
https://www.gribblenation.org/2019/07/a-scenic-drive-along-nh-112.html
Quote from: CanesFan27 on July 15, 2019, 08:29:18 PM
In my opinion, New Hampshire State Route 112 from Swiftwater to North Woodstock is an overlooked New England scenic drive. Although not as popular as the Kancamagus Highway that NH 112 follows as it continues east over the White Mountains, this western segment of NH 112 still has amazing scenic views especially in the fall. I thoroughly enjoyed this drive in the autumns of 2003 and 05.
https://www.gribblenation.org/2019/07/a-scenic-drive-along-nh-112.html
It is an undervalued stretch of roadway for scenery due to the side east of I-93 getting all the attention. Awesome road for cycling because the traffic is less (in some cases much less), and my own personal speed record of 57 MPH occurred on the downhill east from Kinsman Notch. Easier drive for someone who wants the scenery but is intimidated by the challenging curves on the Kanc.
With all the recent hub-bub about MA finally (re)starting its interchange number conversion; NH appears to be joining the band-wagon as well.
NH could change way highway exits numbered (https://www.wmur.com/article/nh-could-change-way-highway-exits-numbered/29862710?utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR2hNfGhflQIXiJgUHHnPploox7mn641qN6H9hxrkhsVfwMjXhdAIg1GeDw#)
Quote from: WMUR ArticleThe proposal to number exits based on mile markers, rather than sequentially, has been endorsed by the New Hampshire Department of Transportation.
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DOT officials said the state could lose federal highway money if it doesn't make the change. The proposal would be part of the state's next 10-year highway plan and could be considered by the Executive Council as early as next week.
"Every one of those signs has a cost that goes with it, the work that has to be done, so I imagine we will be rolling out a plan over that 10-year window to do that," said Eileen Meaney, of the DOT.
Meaney said the proposal could take up to a year to work its way through the Legislature.
Quote from: PHLBOS on November 21, 2019, 02:05:31 PM
With all the recent hub-bub about MA finally (re)starting its interchange number conversion; NH appears to be joining the band-wagon as well.
NH could change way highway exits numbered (https://www.wmur.com/article/nh-could-change-way-highway-exits-numbered/29862710?utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR2hNfGhflQIXiJgUHHnPploox7mn641qN6H9hxrkhsVfwMjXhdAIg1GeDw#)
Quote from: WMUR ArticleThe proposal to number exits based on mile markers, rather than sequentially, has been endorsed by the New Hampshire Department of Transportation.
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DOT officials said the state could lose federal highway money if it doesn't make the change. The proposal would be part of the state's next 10-year highway plan and could be considered by the Executive Council as early as next week.
"Every one of those signs has a cost that goes with it, the work that has to be done, so I imagine we will be rolling out a plan over that 10-year window to do that," said Eileen Meaney, of the DOT.
Meaney said the proposal could take up to a year to work its way through the Legislature.
Once again, they forgot that Vermont also uses the same system as New Hampshire and Delaware.
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on November 21, 2019, 02:39:52 PMOnce again, they forgot that Vermont also uses the same system as New Hampshire and Delaware.
In another thread, it was mentioned that VT 289 has mile-marker-based interchange numbering; after doing some quick research/digging, such is true & is based on future extensions of the highway.
Since the opening of the new US 301 earlier this year; it can be no longer said that DE does not have any mile-marker-based interchange numbering. Yes, I'm aware that DE 1 has km-based exit numbering.
That said & at present, only MA & NH don't have any highways with mile marker-based interchange numbering yet.
VT is not only mile-based on VT 279, but they have announced that they're going to be switching everything over in the next couple years (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=218.msg2318486#msg2318486).
At this point in time, NH is the only state with only sequential numbers AND no plan to convert. DE has sequential numbering on its Interstates with no plan to convert anything, but US 301 and DE 1 are distance-based. CT, NY, RI have active conversion programs. I should note that a handful of other states have sequential numbers in a few places (notably GA and NJ), but said roads are a minority in those states and include no Interstates other than the NJ Turnpike.
Don't get too excited. This is only a legislative proposal that hasn't even gone to the floor for debate yet.
The vast majority of legislative proposals do not become law.
Quote from: cl94 on November 21, 2019, 05:49:40 PM
I should note that a handful of other states have sequential numbers in a few places (notably GA and NJ), but said roads are a minority in those states and include no Interstates other than the NJ Turnpike.
Also includes the Baltimore Beltway (I-695). VT 2
89 is the highway in VT that is mileage based.
Quote from: Duke87 on November 21, 2019, 06:18:48 PM
Don't get too excited. This is only a legislative proposal that hasn't even gone to the floor for debate yet.
The vast majority of legislative proposals do not become law.
I bet ones that cost 10% of what they should to remove the threat of losing all federal money get priority treatment.
Quote from: cl94 on November 21, 2019, 05:49:40 PM
VT is not only mile-based on VT 279, but they have announced that they're going to be switching everything over in the next couple years (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=218.msg2318486#msg2318486).
I'm not convinced yet that it's actually the case, especially given how adamant their sign engineer was to me a few years ago about not changing over. For now, it's just speculation from one line-item in the STIP.
(and as jp said, 289, not 279)
Quote from: SectorZ on November 21, 2019, 08:56:44 PM
Quote from: Duke87 on November 21, 2019, 06:18:48 PM
Don't get too excited. This is only a legislative proposal that hasn't even gone to the floor for debate yet.
The vast majority of legislative proposals do not become law.
I bet ones that cost 10% of what they should to remove the threat of losing all federal money get priority treatment.
It is still federal funding that could be used for other purposes -- like for paving or bridges.
I still wonder about the seriousness of the threat.
The below-article only applies towards the Everett Turnpike.
Earlier-posted NECN Article has since been replaced with WCVB Article
Council votes to remove Merrimack tolls on Everett Turnpike (https://www.wcvb.com/article/council-votes-to-remove-merrimack-tolls-on-everett-turnpike/29958719)
Quote from: WCVB ArticleNew Hampshire's Executive Council voted Monday to lower the Merrimack tolls on the Everett Turnpike to zero.
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The tolls, which are placed on the exit ramp on the northbound side of the highway, and the entrance ramp on the southbound side of the road, were installed 30 years ago.
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The Governor's Advisory Commission on Intermodal Transportation voted 4-1 earlier this month in favor of reducing the Exit 11 toll rate to zero.
Drivers currently pay 50 cents on the northbound off-ramps and southbound on-ramps at both exits 10 and 11 in Merrimack.
The vote will allow the toll rate to be set at zero, but the buildings used to collect tolls will remain in place.
Only a change to New Hampshire state law would allow them to be removed.
Quote from: PHLBOS on November 26, 2019, 01:47:38 PM
The below-article only applies towards the Everett Turnpike.
NH Council Votes to Remove Turnpike Tolls (https://www.necn.com/news/new-england/New-Hampshire-Council-Votes-to-Remove-Turnpike-Tolls-565473551.html?fbclid=IwAR0TLJbq8ISxnqULF14g67HBTtmyV_XU-Sh4p_I1s_BmAm9WrY6Kp5Wh7X8)
Quote from: NECN ArticleNew Hampshire Gov. Chris Sununu's advisory board has voted to eliminate tolls on one of the state's heavily traveled highways.
The Executive Council voted Monday to get rid of the Merrimack tolls at the Everett Turnpike.
The highway links Massachusetts and the New Hampshire cities of Manchester and Concord.
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The tollbooths that were built 30 years ago will remain but starting Jan. 1, motorists will be allowed to drive through without paying a toll.
Another misleading click-bait headline. The Merrimack tolls are on the exit ramps, not the mainline. They've been restricted to Cars Only with E-ZPass or exact change only from 9 pm to 5 am for many years now.
Quote from: roadman on November 26, 2019, 02:06:09 PM
NECN Article has since been replaced with one from another source covering the same subject.
Regarding the new exit numbers, I'm curious about how NHDOT will handle NH 101. The main limited-access portion starts in Manchester at I-93 at mile marker 100 (https://goo.gl/maps/uoNpK7E4KamuQFFi6), even though it's roughly 60 miles from Keene where the road begins. Will they use the existing mile markers (meaning the current Exit 1 would be Exit 101)? Or come up with a different scheme? Or skip NH 101 altogether and stick with the sequential exit numbers? And, will the I-95 exit (and the interstate-to-interstate exits around the state) get a number?
Will New Hampshire convert to mileage-based exit numbers? It was my understanding that New Hampshire got federal permission to convert to mileage-based, but has no start date planned. If such a conversion takes place, I believe all routes that have exit numbers (the Interstates, the portions of the Everett Turnpike that are not part of 93 and 293, the Spaulding Turnpike, and also State Highway 101) should be mileage-based. As for State Highway 101, I believe all exit numbers should be numbered based on the distance from 101's western terminus at State Highways 9, 10, and 12 in Keene.
Quote from: DRMan on November 27, 2019, 10:26:59 AM
Regarding the new exit numbers, I'm curious about how NHDOT will handle NH 101. The main limited-access portion starts in Manchester at I-93 at mile marker 100 (https://goo.gl/maps/uoNpK7E4KamuQFFi6), even though it's roughly 60 miles from Keene where the road begins. Will they use the existing mile markers (meaning the current Exit 1 would be Exit 101)? Or come up with a different scheme? Or skip NH 101 altogether and stick with the sequential exit numbers? And, will the I-95 exit (and the interstate-to-interstate exits around the state) get a number?
I think the MP 100 was due to a fudge of where the ultimate NH 101 freeway would begin when it's extended westward. Since I don't think that's actually happening anymore, may as well use actual mileposts. (Unless it's 100 to the border - that also seems too long - if they were thinking of extending 101 to the state line.)
For anyone with Facebook, Gov. Chris Sununu has made keeping the old exit numbers is hill to die on...
https://www.facebook.com/GovernorChrisSununu/posts/1048736985474737
For those who don't, he claims that "Exit 3" is part of his identity.
Personally, I identify as the exit number-less 93/293 junction in Manchester.
Quote from: SectorZ on November 30, 2019, 09:03:08 AM
For anyone with Facebook, Gov. Chris Sununu has made keeping the old exit numbers is hill to die on...
https://www.facebook.com/GovernorChrisSununu/posts/1048736985474737
For those who don't, he claims that "Exit 3" is part of his identity.
Personally, I identify as the exit number-less 93/293 junction in Manchester.
I identify as the unbuilt Hudson bypass...
Quote from: Alps on November 30, 2019, 12:17:26 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on November 30, 2019, 09:03:08 AM
For anyone with Facebook, Gov. Chris Sununu has made keeping the old exit numbers is hill to die on...
https://www.facebook.com/GovernorChrisSununu/posts/1048736985474737
For those who don't, he claims that "Exit 3" is part of his identity.
Personally, I identify as the exit number-less 93/293 junction in Manchester.
I identify as the unbuilt Hudson bypass...
The Circumcision Highway as those in Hudson call it?
Quote from: SectorZ on November 30, 2019, 02:03:27 PM
Quote from: Alps on November 30, 2019, 12:17:26 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on November 30, 2019, 09:03:08 AM
For anyone with Facebook, Gov. Chris Sununu has made keeping the old exit numbers is hill to die on...
https://www.facebook.com/GovernorChrisSununu/posts/1048736985474737
For those who don't, he claims that "Exit 3" is part of his identity.
Personally, I identify as the exit number-less 93/293 junction in Manchester.
I identify as the unbuilt Hudson bypass...
The Circumcision Highway as those in Hudson call it?
They took more than a little off...
Quote from: Alps on December 01, 2019, 12:56:34 AM
Quote from: SectorZ on November 30, 2019, 02:03:27 PM
Quote from: Alps on November 30, 2019, 12:17:26 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on November 30, 2019, 09:03:08 AM
For anyone with Facebook, Gov. Chris Sununu has made keeping the old exit numbers is hill to die on...
https://www.facebook.com/GovernorChrisSununu/posts/1048736985474737
For those who don't, he claims that "Exit 3" is part of his identity.
Personally, I identify as the exit number-less 93/293 junction in Manchester.
I identify as the unbuilt Hudson bypass...
The Circumcision Highway as those in Hudson call it?
They took more than a little off...
I identify as I-86, but everyone keeps telling me that I'm just a NY state route that just happens to be mostly freeway...
According to this article in the Boston Globe, though Gov. Sununu has vowed not let the state's exit numbers be changed, the state's Executive Council has approved a 10-year transportation plan with exit renumbering, to commence by the mid-2020s:
https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2019/12/16/new-england-highway-exit-re-numbering (https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2019/12/16/new-england-highway-exit-re-numbering)
I did some checking and found out that the Draft 10-Year Plan is online. The exit number project, No. 40915, is listed on page 161. Work is to start in 2023: https://www.nh.gov/dot/org/projectdevelopment/planning/typ/documents/book-typ-2021-2030gacit-to-gov.pdf (https://www.nh.gov/dot/org/projectdevelopment/planning/typ/documents/book-typ-2021-2030gacit-to-gov.pdf)
Come make a virtual visit of the Ashuelot Covered Bridge, one of dozens of covered bridges in New Hampshire.
https://www.gribblenation.org/2020/04/ashuelot-covered-bridge-new-hampshire.html (https://www.gribblenation.org/2020/04/ashuelot-covered-bridge-new-hampshire.html)
Quote from: SectorZ on November 30, 2019, 09:03:08 AM
For anyone with Facebook, Gov. Chris Sununu has made keeping the old exit numbers is hill to die on...
https://www.facebook.com/GovernorChrisSununu/posts/1048736985474737
For those who don't, he claims that "Exit 3" is part of his identity.
Personally, I identify as the exit number-less 93/293 junction in Manchester.
You sure he's not originally from Cape Cod? 😄
Quote from: DJ Particle on April 15, 2020, 01:44:42 AM
Quote from: SectorZ on November 30, 2019, 09:03:08 AM
For anyone with Facebook, Gov. Chris Sununu has made keeping the old exit numbers is hill to die on...
https://www.facebook.com/GovernorChrisSununu/posts/1048736985474737
For those who don't, he claims that "Exit 3" is part of his identity.
Personally, I identify as the exit number-less 93/293 junction in Manchester.
You sure he's not originally from Cape Cod? 😄
They're the same way in Vermont. My relatives used to own a gas station off an exit in Vermont and the license plate on their personal car reflected the exit number.
The Spaulding Turnpike construction project between Exit 4 and 6 is coming along quite well since I moved up to New Hampshire last year. They got the new signs up in the area from the bridge to Exit 6, northbound has two Arrow Per Lane signs, one for the 1/2 mile and one for the "at the exit" sign. The arrows dont quite match the lanes just yet however.
Southbound theres a 1 mile advance for Newington Village, then two overhead mounted blue signs, one says Exit 4 and has a Food and Gas symbol signs in the blue space. The Gas station is easy to spot but I dont know of any food place in that area, the nearest fast food is the McDonalds on Gosling road (Exit 1). The other sign on that overhead is a blank logo sign that reads ATTRACTIONS EXIT 4 but nothings listed. Just before the bridge theres an overhead 1/2 mile Newington Village sign next to it a 5 mile advance sign for I-95.
The onramp from US 4 now goes through the new section of road and merges in right before the bridge. Supposedly itll be completed by this summer.
Quote from: mariethefoxy on April 25, 2020, 02:31:56 PM
The Spaulding Turnpike construction project between Exit 4 and 6 is coming along quite well since I moved up to New Hampshire last year. They got the new signs up in the area from the bridge to Exit 6, northbound has two Arrow Per Lane signs, one for the 1/2 mile and one for the "at the exit" sign. The arrows dont quite match the lanes just yet however.
Those are huge signs, a lot of wasted green space. I will try to get pictures next time I'm down that way.
Quote from: mariethefoxy on April 25, 2020, 02:31:56 PM
Southbound theres a 1 mile advance for Newington Village, then two overhead mounted blue signs, one says Exit 4 and has a Food and Gas symbol signs in the blue space. The Gas station is easy to spot but I dont know of any food place in that area, the nearest fast food is the McDonalds on Gosling road (Exit 1). The other sign on that overhead is a blank logo sign that reads ATTRACTIONS EXIT 4 but nothings listed. Just before the bridge theres an overhead 1/2 mile Newington Village sign next to it a 5 mile advance sign for I-95.
I haven't seen blue signs mounted overhead like that in NH. The same structure has a speed limit sign, which is also pretty unusual for around here. And, I'm not aware of another 5 mile advance sign in NH. There is limited space along the side of the road due to a sound wall (also part of this project) so that may explain all of the overhead structures.
Quote from: mariethefoxy on April 25, 2020, 02:31:56 PM
The onramp from US 4 now goes through the new section of road and merges in right before the bridge. Supposedly itll be completed by this summer.
This should help southbound traffic immensely.
Im not a fan of those arrow per lane signs they seem really big for what they are and the same message could have been displayed with two signs.
Ive only seen an overhead logo sign mounted elsewhere like that in New York on I-684 north by Exit 3S-N
Yeah, we've got one in CT mounted overhead. Close proximity of the Frontage Road to the right prohibit the sign to be posted on the side.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/4808/45927621504_be06484b40_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2cYt4Mb)84EB-Exit25-1 (https://flic.kr/p/2cYt4Mb) by Jay Hogan (https://www.flickr.com/photos/shadyjay/), on Flickr
And those ones on I-684 North in NY are the result of a sound barrier just feet off the right edge of the shoulder, so there's no place for them, but overhead.
Quote from: mariethefoxy on April 25, 2020, 02:31:56 PM
The Spaulding Turnpike construction project between Exit 4 and 6 is coming along quite well since I moved up to New Hampshire last year. They got the new signs up in the area from the bridge to Exit 6, northbound has two Arrow Per Lane signs, one for the 1/2 mile and one for the "at the exit" sign. The arrows dont quite match the lanes just yet however.
Southbound theres a 1 mile advance for Newington Village, then two overhead mounted blue signs, one says Exit 4 and has a Food and Gas symbol signs in the blue space. The Gas station is easy to spot but I dont know of any food place in that area, the nearest fast food is the McDonalds on Gosling road (Exit 1). The other sign on that overhead is a blank logo sign that reads ATTRACTIONS EXIT 4 but nothings listed. Just before the bridge theres an overhead 1/2 mile Newington Village sign next to it a 5 mile advance sign for I-95.
The onramp from US 4 now goes through the new section of road and merges in right before the bridge. Supposedly itll be completed by this summer.
I just drove thru this area earlier today, as they just opened up a new section of the US 4 SB ramp to Spaulding Turnpike SB. Here are some of the actual signs (from Hilton Park):
(https://i.ibb.co/NV5rcZ4/IMG-0669.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NV5rcZ4) (https://i.ibb.co/sHLDLHZ/IMG-0670.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sHLDLHZ) (https://i.ibb.co/26BLYRc/IMG-0671.jpg) (https://ibb.co/26BLYRc)
Nice to see "Maine Points" on a new sign, though I'm surprised, in this day and age of the MUTCD that "Portland" wasn't used. The northbound APL for Exit 6 omits "Dover" from the pull-through and "Concord" from the exit sign. Seems like there's room for each on their respective sides.
Having gone to UNH in the late 90s, I've seen that whole area transform quite a bit. Its a far cry from what it was, road wise!
taking Exit 6 to go to dover is very slow and plodding on Dover Point road, its easier to stay on and get off at Exit 7
Thanks, fwydriver405, you just beat me to it. I was able to get a few shots from a different angle.
First, southbound.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49852689307_f12886414e_w.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iXj4FZ)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49852689267_3abdaffb65_w.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iXj4Fi)
Here is the northbound Exit 6 APL. Wondering if the signs were initially meant to have the Concord and Dover control cities that shadyjay mentioned. And I think there should be mention of Dover Point Rd here (the "back way" to Dover and the original NH 16) as well. But, NHDOT has been sticking more closely to the MUTCD lately and MUTCD advises (or demands?) that APLs have only one destination per movement and that street names and cities can't be mixed.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49852404991_a7f55603e2_w.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iXhBaZ)
Back when there was an EXIT "6N", original signage had the exit signed as "Dover Pt Rd/South Dover". This was later changed to just "Dover", while at the same time, "Dover/Rochester/Somersworth" appeared on the pull-thru (with no route or direction). Most likely the pull-thru at the time dated to the days before NH 16 was assigned to the turnpike.
Since when is NH so MUTCD-compliant? They are resisting the change of exit numbers to mile-based. They frequently use state names as control cities in the seacoast. Heck, there's a non-MUTCD compliant sign on this particular (APL) gantry, with "Maine points" as an I-95 control point.
There are numerous APLs around with 2 destinations for each movement, several of them in New Hampshire, nonetheless. While the single destinations do make for a nice clutter-free sign, it wouldn't look that cluttered if "Dover" was added above "Rochester" at the very least, and Concord appeared on a secondary sign.
You still had "MAINE" on I-95 North in Portsmouth. March 6, 2019.
(https://i.imgur.com/KYXQtEd.jpg)
Quote from: shadyjay on May 03, 2020, 08:37:24 PM
Back when there was an EXIT "6N", original signage had the exit signed as "Dover Pt Rd/South Dover". This was later changed to just "Dover", while at the same time, "Dover/Rochester/Somersworth" appeared on the pull-thru (with no route or direction). Most likely the pull-thru at the time dated to the days before NH 16 was assigned to the turnpike.
Since when is NH so MUTCD-compliant? They are resisting the change of exit numbers to mile-based. They frequently use state names as control cities in the seacoast. Heck, there's a non-MUTCD compliant sign on this particular (APL) gantry, with "Maine points" as an I-95 control point.
There are numerous APLs around with 2 destinations for each movement, several of them in New Hampshire, nonetheless. While the single destinations do make for a nice clutter-free sign, it wouldn't look that cluttered if "Dover" was added above "Rochester" at the very least, and Concord appeared on a secondary sign.
All true and even some of the new signs still use the old conventions.
I was thinking about how the signage on secondary routes, specifically the monosigns like this one -- https://goo.gl/maps/uaAbnoJBiRWB2mVM7 -- that are being transitioned to more MUTCD-like signage. I assume the new signs on NH 16 are part of that push too.
I've always thought that the Exit 6 interchange could have been a diverging diamond interchange for some time now... there is a heavy amount of US 4 traffic turning left during the rush hour, and as of now, not a lot of traffic goes thru from EB US 4 onto Dover Point Road. Although the roundabout at the Dover Point/Spur Rd intersection could be a bit problematic with a DDI, especially since drivers also blatantly run the PHB/HAWK signals on solid red, then just sit there on the flashing red on the Scambell Bridge approaches. Especially problematic if you're coming off the circle...
Quote from: shadyjay on May 03, 2020, 08:37:24 PM
Since when is NH so MUTCD-compliant? They are resisting the change of exit numbers to mile-based. They frequently use state names as control cities in the seacoast. Heck, there's a non-MUTCD compliant sign on this particular (APL) gantry, with "Maine points" as an I-95 control point.
I believe that the exit number project is on the 2020 10-year draft plan. No. 40915, is listed on page 161. While we're on the exit numbering topic, I wonder if:
- Route 101 from I-93 to current exit 13 will have mile based exits based on the length of the route, or from where 101 has its own freeway.
- I-393 will have mile-based exit numbers since the route is only 4.594 miles (7.393 km) long.
- Current unnumbered freeway to freeway interchanges will receive a number at all.
https://www.nh.gov/dot/org/projectdevelopment/planning/typ/documents/book-typ-2021-2030gacit-to-gov.pdf
What a waste of empty green space.
(https://i.imgur.com/SgN0A0l.png)
On the subject of exit numbers, it's worth noting that Governor Sununu is opposed to switching to milepost-based exit numbers. So unless he's convinced otherwise or overruled, I doubt it will happen while he's still in the governor's office, despite the 10-year-plan line item fwydriver mentioned.
Quote from: kphoger on May 03, 2020, 09:52:56 PM
What a waste of empty green space.
The BGS at the end of I-84 in Massachusetts has a lot of wasted space too. I would think making the sign smaller and making the route numbers and direction bigger, would be an improvement.
Quote from: kphoger on May 03, 2020, 09:52:56 PM
What a waste of empty green space.
(https://i.imgur.com/SgN0A0l.png)
Yeah...at minimum, they should have Concord and Dover on the US 4 sign, and White Mountains on the pullthrough for the Spaulding Turnpike and NH 16.
Quote from: KEVIN_224 on May 03, 2020, 08:47:30 PM
You still had "MAINE" on I-95 North in Portsmouth. March 6, 2019.
(https://i.imgur.com/KYXQtEd.jpg)
Gad! What an excessively oversized structre.
Quote from: roadman on May 09, 2020, 05:03:45 PM
Quote from: KEVIN_224 on May 03, 2020, 08:47:30 PM
You still had "MAINE" on I-95 North in Portsmouth. March 6, 2019.
(https://i.imgur.com/KYXQtEd.jpg)
Gad! What an excessively oversized structre.
120-mph wind load design criteria perhaps(?).
Well they DO warn about crosswinds as you go up to that wonderful bridge in the background. :-P
Back on Thursday, 21 May, I was able to drive down I-93 south from the I-293 split in Manchester to the Massachusetts state line. Here is what I saw on that day since my last drive down that corridor was back in December 2019:
1. NHDOT is slowly starting to replace the variable speed limit signs with static ones along the I-93 corridor, as they reach the end of their service life. From a previous NHDOT job shadow back on 25 July 2019, I was told that the TMC in Concord didn't really have any practical uses for it, some of the signs were "unreliable" and "kept having issues", and one time during a heavy snowstorm, they could not change the speed limit to 45 mph (72 km/h)*, as the inclement weather was causing signal issues between devices. I don't have a picture of it, but one of the speed limit signs replaced was on 93 south before the 293 split (before (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9735395,-71.4141148,3a,21.4y,171.48h,87.32t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sdxB3-rYV-__tmP5uyk11aA!2e0!5s20181001T000000!7i16384!8i8192), after (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9735524,-71.4141124,3a,15y,169.33h,88.35t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s_e6JJe4zE3yQP3WY2EPXNg!2e0!5s20191001T000000!7i16384!8i8192)). As of Oct 2019, that segment now has a permanent speed limit of 55 mph (89 km/h), and a minimum speed limit of 45 mph (72 km/h). It is also worth noticing that the speed limit from ~MM18.4 to ~MM14.2 is still 55 mph (89 km/h) for some reason and not 65 mph (105 km/h) like it used to be...
2. The "RIGHT LANE ENDS 1000 FT" banner on the I-93 pull-through sign at the 293 split needs to be removed. At least going southbound, it is now three continuous lanes through the I-293 interchange.
(https://i.ibb.co/6nQXFgY/Screenshot-2020-05-24-at-02-24-35.png) (https://ibb.co/6nQXFgY) (https://i.ibb.co/GTKXmv4/Screenshot-2020-05-24-at-02-25-44.png) (https://ibb.co/GTKXmv4)
3. I-93 (southbound) now has four continuous lanes from ~MM18.4 to ~MM14.2 (though Exit 5, NH 28/N. Londonderry), for a length of ~4.2 miles (6.8 km). I don't know if signage for the I-293 split were updated heading northbound, or if travel lanes were opened on the northbound direction, as I have yet to check that.
(https://i.ibb.co/DwpzKp0/Screenshot-2020-05-24-at-02-10-01.png) (https://ibb.co/DwpzKp0) (https://i.ibb.co/kqnDf5s/Screenshot-2020-05-24-at-02-11-08.png) (https://ibb.co/kqnDf5s) (https://i.ibb.co/kJRY3Sk/Screenshot-2020-05-24-at-02-33-24.png) (https://ibb.co/kJRY3Sk)
4. The widened freeway after ~MM14.2 narrows down to two travel lanes through Exit 4 (NH 102, Derry/Londonderry). Southbound traffic through the Exit 4 work zone shifts over to the northbound carriageway. Work continues on the I-93 mainline and Exit 4 ramps in this area. The southbound carriageway can be seen on the right hand side of the images.
(https://i.ibb.co/wJzdN4v/Screenshot-2020-05-24-at-02-39-16.png) (https://ibb.co/wJzdN4v) (https://i.ibb.co/TPTfJbc/Screenshot-2020-05-24-at-02-38-52.png) (https://ibb.co/TPTfJbc) (https://i.ibb.co/JQf881k/Screenshot-2020-05-24-at-02-39-31.png) (https://ibb.co/JQf881k) (https://i.ibb.co/tQgqdGw/Screenshot-2020-05-24-at-02-39-49.png) (https://ibb.co/tQgqdGw) (https://i.ibb.co/5Lrb9tw/Screenshot-2020-05-24-at-02-40-16.png) (https://ibb.co/5Lrb9tw)
5. I-93 reverts back to three lanes at MM10.4 after the Exit 4 southbound on-ramp merges with the mainline. From MM7.6 onwards to the Mass. State Line, they are doing median work as well as some activity near the NH/MA border. Not sure what it is, but that sound wall looks new.
(https://i.ibb.co/hyCHkDj/Screenshot-2020-05-24-at-02-45-34.png) (https://ibb.co/hyCHkDj) (https://i.ibb.co/gmP6cQk/Screenshot-2020-05-24-at-02-46-02.png) (https://ibb.co/gmP6cQk) (https://i.ibb.co/f1jyJy3/Screenshot-2020-05-24-at-02-46-24.png) (https://ibb.co/f1jyJy3) (https://i.ibb.co/PYDDqCB/Screenshot-2020-05-24-at-02-47-28.png) (https://ibb.co/PYDDqCB)
Does anyone know when four continuous travel lanes from Massachusetts to ~MM10.4-14.2 (Exit 4 area) will be fully open to traffic? Last time I heard, salt runoff issues prevented them from opening all four travel lanes, limiting them to three in each direction. I wonder if that is what the median work is all about.
*Also, does anyone know what happens to those variable speed signs during inclement weather (i.e., snowstorm)? Do they say a reduced speed on the SPEED LIMIT portion, with the MINIMUM blanked out, or is the sign blanked out completely during these events? Also, have those signs been reduced (or increased) in times that are NOT inclement weather or a work zone area (i.e. traffic congestion)?
Quote from: fwydriver405 on May 24, 2020, 03:06:40 AMIt is also worth noticing that the speed limit from ~MM18.4 to ~MM14.2 is still 55 mph (89 km/h) for some reason and not 65 mph (105 km/h) like it used to be...
Southbound is definitely still 55, but northbound the portable variable signs do sometimes display 65 north of exit 5.
Quote3. I-93 (southbound) now has four continuous lanes from ~MM18.4 to ~MM14.2 (though Exit 5, NH 28/N. Londonderry), for a length of ~4.2 miles (6.8 km). I don't know if signage for the I-293 split were updated heading northbound, or if travel lanes were opened on the northbound direction, as I have yet to check that.
Northbound now opens up a mile or two before the split, but no signage was updated. Still just has the temporary ground mounted orange signs.
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*Also, does anyone know what happens to those variable speed signs during inclement weather (i.e., snowstorm)? Do they say a reduced speed on the SPEED LIMIT portion, with the MINIMUM blanked out, or is the sign blanked out completely during these events? Also, have those signs been reduced (or increased) in times that are NOT inclement weather or a work zone area (i.e. traffic congestion)?
I've never seen them display anything other than the normal speed limit. Snow, traffic congestion, a major crash, still the normal speed limit. NHDOT does reduce the limit during snowstorms, but I've never seen the signs reflect the lower limit (unlike in Maine).
According to the project website, rebuildingi93.com, 93 should be done with 4 lanes by fall 2020. The exit 4 contract as well as the south of exit 1 widening should be complete in the fall and the final contract for this megaproject (also to be completed in the fall) is constructing a 4th lane from exit 1 to exit 5 (which will probably involve mostly restriping the lanes). Not sure if this is the most up to date info, but thats what the project page states.
SM-G900P
Quote from: 5foot14 on May 26, 2020, 10:42:31 AM
The final contract for this megaproject (also to be completed in the fall) is constructing a 4th lane from exit 1 to exit 5 (which will probably involve mostly restriping the lanes).
That is contract 14633J (http://rebuildingi93.com/documents/factsheets/May2020/14633J%20Fact%20Sheet_May%202020.pdf) out in the works right now, which is widening the median strip to accommodate a fourth lane from Exit 1 to Exit 3 (approximately 4.8 miles (7.7 km) southbound and 6.1 miles (9.8 km) northbound) along with some ITS work from exit 1 to exit 5 which is expected to last from spring to fall 2020. Like I said earlier, I believe this is being done because a long time ago, NHDOT could only design and open the road to three lanes of traffic from exit 1 to 3 because of salt runoff issues.
I just drove the Spaulding Turnpike today and noticed something a bit strange today while they were doing some roadworks. While driving between exits 4 and 6 northbound, I noticed that NHDOT posted a new permanent static speed limit sign that says:
SPEED LIMIT 55
MINIMUM 40
Interesting enough, it is not very far from an existing SPEED LIMIT 55 sign. This is the first time I have ever seen NHDOT post a minimum speed of 40 mph (65 km/h) ever... wonder why that is the case?
Typically, in a 65 MPH zone, the minimum is 45. Most Speed Limit 65 signs throughout NH add the minimum.
However, in a quick check on street view, I failed to see a Speed Limit 55 sign posting a minimum (outside of the electronic ones on I-93 south of Manchester). So in that regard, perhaps when the max speed limit is 55, the minimum is 40. We're just now seeing this posted. Perhaps?
Quote from: shadyjay on June 04, 2020, 08:38:10 PM
Typically, in a 65 MPH zone, the minimum is 45. Most Speed Limit 65 signs throughout NH add the minimum.
However, in a quick check on street view, I failed to see a Speed Limit 55 sign posting a minimum (outside of the electronic ones on I-93 south of Manchester). So in that regard, perhaps when the max speed limit is 55, the minimum is 40. We're just now seeing this posted. Perhaps?
Here is the sign on 93 South that you mentioned. 2020-05-21. Most likely it will revert back to 65 MPH once this segment wraps up. It has the normal 45 MPH minimum speed limit that most freeways have.
(https://i.ibb.co/nsLV1z9/Messages-Image-2302726333.png) (https://ibb.co/ynQMkWt)
Then here is the sign on the Spaulding Turnpike NB immediately after EXIT 4. There is a SPEED LIMIT 55 sign before where the photo was shot. This is the only NH road that has a 40 MPH minimum speed limit.
(https://i.ibb.co/B24hpZd/Messages-Image-2938479479.png) (https://ibb.co/pjWH7zG)
Actually I was referring to the electronic ones, the changeable ones on I-93 south of Manchester, which have the max/min speeds listed. I've seen them at 65/45 and seen them at 55, but not sure what minimum was displayed. The first photo you linked above with the 55/45 most likely will become 65/45 when full construction is completed. I'm assuming there is still a gap in widening to the south a bit, near Exit 4, IIRC, and with construction still ongoing there, the corridor isn't fully reconstructed yet. No sense to sign a few miles near Manchester to 65 right away.
Again, possible the minimum in 55 mph zones has been 40 all along, we're just now seeing it posted.
Quote from: shadyjay on June 04, 2020, 08:38:10 PM
Typically, in a 65 MPH zone, the minimum is 45. Most Speed Limit 65 signs throughout NH add the minimum.
However, in a quick check on street view, I failed to see a Speed Limit 55 sign posting a minimum (outside of the electronic ones on I-93 south of Manchester). So in that regard, perhaps when the max speed limit is 55, the minimum is 40. We're just now seeing this posted. Perhaps?
I concur that the 40 minimum is just the standard in 55 zones. Makes sense that the floor would drop a bit with such a low limit.
Quote from: shadyjay on June 04, 2020, 11:12:22 PM
The first photo you linked above with the 55/45 most likely will become 65/45 when full construction is completed. I'm assuming there is still a gap in widening to the south a bit, near Exit 4, IIRC, and with construction still ongoing there, the corridor isn't fully reconstructed yet. No sense to sign a few miles near Manchester to 65 right away.
Actually after exit 5, IIRC, the changeable message signs on 93 South do say 65/45 even with the roadworks at Exit 4, and remains that way through the Massachusetts border where 65 MPH is maintained in MA. Might have changed, but that is what I saw when I went down to Salem the other day.
Quote from: shadyjay on June 04, 2020, 11:12:22 PM
Again, possible the minimum in 55 mph zones has been 40 all along, we're just now seeing it posted.
I'm not sure if this law pertains to what you are saying but:
Quote from: NH RSA 265:64 Minimum Speed Regulation
I. No person shall drive a vehicle at such a slow speed as to impede the normal and reasonable movement of traffic except when reduced speed is necessary for safe operation or in compliance with law. Under this provision a minimum speed limit of 45 miles per hour shall be posted and prevail on the interstate highway system in the state.
II. Whenever the commissioner of transportation determines on the basis of engineering and traffic investigation that slow speeds on any part of a way consistently impede the normal and reasonable movement of traffic, said commissioner may determine and declare a minimum prima facie speed limit.
Source. 1937, 125:2. RL 119:31. RSA 263:55. 1955, 119:1. 1963, 330:1. RSA 262-A:57. 1971, 202:1. 1981, 146:1, eff. Jan. 1, 1982.
Come check out the old General Sullivan Bridge, which was once part of NH 16 near Portsmouth.
https://www.gribblenation.org/2020/07/general-sullivan-bridge.html (https://www.gribblenation.org/2020/07/general-sullivan-bridge.html)
Quote from: Dougtone on July 09, 2020, 11:15:11 PM
Come check out the old General Sullivan Bridge, which was once part of NH 16 near Portsmouth.
https://www.gribblenation.org/2020/07/general-sullivan-bridge.html (https://www.gribblenation.org/2020/07/general-sullivan-bridge.html)
I remember riding across that bridge as a kid in the late 1960s.
Obviously I can't take pictures while driving, but the other day I noticed that on I-93 northbound approaching the southern junction/split with I-293, multiple new APLs have been installed... and those things are HUGE! It's interesting, because the actual traffic configuration hasn't been changed (it was always 5-6 lanes right at the merge even before the exits 1-5 widening project). I guess they are just trying to make sure that people know where they are going.
On a related note, I saw an article a few weeks ago that the exits 1-5 widening project was slated to be completed in 60 days. Given how much work they still have to do at exit 4, I highly doubt that.
Quote from: BridgesToIdealism on August 11, 2020, 12:50:02 PM
I saw an article a few weeks ago that the exits 1-5 widening project was slated to be completed in 60 days. Given how much work they still have to do at exit 4, I highly doubt that.
I've been wondering about that too. I can see end of 2020 maybe, especially if any heavy snow holds off past Christmas. They've held to this fall 2020 timeline for a while now without changing it, so maybe they feel they can pull it off. More power to them if so.
Quote from: BridgesToIdealism on August 11, 2020, 12:50:02 PM
Obviously I can't take pictures while driving, but the other day I noticed that on I-93 northbound approaching the southern junction/split with I-293, multiple new APLs have been installed... and those things are HUGE! It's interesting, because the actual traffic configuration hasn't been changed (it was always 5-6 lanes right at the merge even before the exits 1-5 widening project). I guess they are just trying to make sure that people know where they are going.
You're being generous. Pre-widening, there were 4 lanes at the split (not 5-6), two lanes going in each direction.
Quote from: froggie on August 12, 2020, 11:00:49 PM
Quote from: BridgesToIdealism on August 11, 2020, 12:50:02 PM
Obviously I can't take pictures while driving, but the other day I noticed that on I-93 northbound approaching the southern junction/split with I-293, multiple new APLs have been installed... and those things are HUGE! It's interesting, because the actual traffic configuration hasn't been changed (it was always 5-6 lanes right at the merge even before the exits 1-5 widening project). I guess they are just trying to make sure that people know where they are going.
You're being generous. Pre-widening, there were 4 lanes at the split (not 5-6), two lanes going in each direction.
Here are the APL's in question on I-93 NB at the I-293 interchange. Click on the photos for a larger image. I believe more APL's could be coming along the corridor, specifically at Exits 1 and 4 northbound. More I-93 photos and an explanation about said APL's will come on a second post...
Also, can someone clarify if this exit is offically "unsigned Exit 5 A"? I remember seeing a plan or something like that for this interchange mentioning this...
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2-Mile Advance sign:(https://i.ibb.co/g6rT2Gj/2020-08-23-93-NB-16-3.png) (https://ibb.co/g6rT2Gj)
1-Mile Advance sign. These advance signs do not list Bedford as a control city like what the older strippled arrow sign (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8a/I-293_at_I-93_Manchester.jpg) displayed. These signs also do not have "LEFT" or "MANCHESTER AIRPORT" tabs on them:
(https://i.ibb.co/QKCpW53/2020-08-23-93-NB-17-6.png) (https://ibb.co/QKCpW53)
Manchester Airport is now signed on a ground mounted sign between the 1 and ½ mile advance signs.(https://i.ibb.co/vhJfZPG/2020-08-23-93-NB-17-7.png) (https://ibb.co/vhJfZPG)
½-mile advance sign.(https://i.ibb.co/5kL3B2D/2020-08-23-93-NB18-3.png) (https://ibb.co/5kL3B2D)
Last APL before the split. Notice how there is only one control city on each departing freeway, compared to two (Concord/Seacoast) on the other signs for 93 North / 101 East.(https://i.ibb.co/g6scnMm/2020-08-23-93-NB-18-2.png) (https://ibb.co/g6scnMm)
The older ground mounted sign for 293 North / 101 West is still there as of 2020-08-20.(https://i.ibb.co/1r7Sz3Q/2020-08-23-93-NB-18-4.png) (https://ibb.co/1r7Sz3Q)
Signs at the split. There is an I-293 gore sign as well further ahead.
(https://i.ibb.co/r2cXw7k/2020-08-23-93-NB18-6.png) (https://ibb.co/r2cXw7k)
More I-93 photos, this time starting northbound from the Massachusetts state line.
These sign structures were recently installed from the last time (June 2020) I visited the area near Exit 1. I'm not sure if Exit 1 will be getting new signs and what they will look like, and especially if Exit 1 will recieve APL's considering the size of the gantry on the third photo on this set.
(https://i.ibb.co/YZj1Wzm/2020-08-23-93-NB-0-3.png) (https://ibb.co/YZj1Wzm)(https://i.ibb.co/kXsM2hF/2020-08-23-93-NB-0-6.png) (https://ibb.co/kXsM2hF)(https://i.ibb.co/ZX5FcYv/2020-08-23-93-NB-1-1.png) (https://ibb.co/ZX5FcYv)
More widening work, from Exit 2 to Exit 3. The newly paved fourth lane can be seen to the left:
(https://i.ibb.co/sC9btJf/2020-08-23-93-NB-2-2.png) (https://ibb.co/sC9btJf)(https://i.ibb.co/L8sZN5m/2020-08-23-93-NB-5-4.png) (https://ibb.co/L8sZN5m)
Past Exit 3 and before the weigh station, here is more evidence that NHDOT may be abandoning the variable speed limit sings and replacing them with static SPEED LIMIT 65 MINIMUM 45 signs. Some of the signs on the corridor are active, others inactive.
(https://i.ibb.co/YysVZd7/2020-08-23-93-NB-6-6.png) (https://ibb.co/YysVZd7)(https://i.ibb.co/gZkf4q1/2020-08-23-93-NB-6-8.png) (https://ibb.co/gZkf4q1)
From the Union Leader (https://outline.com/FSvqEj), here is a sneak peek at what the new Exit 4 signs going northbound will look like. Notice how one of the signs could be an APL (Not sure about the date of this photo taken so it is possible that the APL signs shown here could be for another interchange):
(https://i.ibb.co/qsS5P9f/5f2451d48fec4-image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HzSdkYs)
Apperently, like the Turnpike signs, there used to be a shield for the "Alan B Shepard Jr. Highway on the Exit 4 onramps (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.8695034,-71.3425705,3a,15y,306.05h,84.59t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sqSDFGBWV1m9odOOtagnB2Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656). This sign has since been removed for a while now. Not sure how many of these were posted before construction began.
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Turning around southbound, not much to see except for a new 1/4 mile advance sign for EXIT 4 posted on the bridge:
(https://i.ibb.co/FW5qPng/Screenshot-2020-08-23-at-23-18-32.png) (https://ibb.co/pPfrmnJ)
Quote from: fwydriver405 on August 24, 2020, 12:47:32 AM
Apperently, like the Turnpike signs, there used to be a shield for the "Alan B Shepard Jr. Highway on the Exit 4 onramps (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.8695034,-71.3425705,3a,15y,306.05h,84.59t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sqSDFGBWV1m9odOOtagnB2Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656). This sign has since been removed for a while now. Not sure how many of these were posted before construction began.
Yeah, I believe all the Alan Shepard Highway signs are gone. I believe this was what they looked like: https://www.nhhistory.org/object/644495/sign-traffic
However, ones for the Senator Styles Bridges Highway still exist. Spotted one today getting on I-93 in Tilton from US 3. Didn't get a pic but Google Streetview shows it:
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.4532019,-71.5727999,3a,49.9y,31.59h,83.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s94p7WfS_bT3nQUzHgYLlhw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
I-93 is designated the Alan Shepard Hwy from the Mass state line up to the I-293 northern jct in Hooksett, the Everett Tpke from there to Concord, and the Senator Styles Bridges Highway from Concord up to the VT state line, except the section through Franconia Notch which is the Franconia Notch Parkway.
The last Alan Shephard sign I recall seeing was on the ramp from 102 west to I-93 south in Londonderry. It had been removed by the time I last used that ramp about two months ago.
Were "Blue Star Turnpike" shields ever posted along the stretch of I-95 from Massachusetts to ~Exit 5/Portsmouth Traffic Circle?
So, is the VMS northbound in Salem going to be reset to the new structure or is it going to be removed entirely?
Quote from: roadman on August 26, 2020, 10:38:14 AM
So, is the VMS northbound in Salem going to be reset to the new structure or is it going to be removed entirely?
Are you referring to the variable speed limit signs, or the actual V/DMS sign? I'm probably guessing that the variable speed limit sign will be replaced with a static one, and the V/DMS sign will be moved or replaced to the new gantry.
Quote from: fwydriver405 on August 26, 2020, 11:13:29 AM
Quote from: roadman on August 26, 2020, 10:38:14 AM
So, is the VMS northbound in Salem going to be reset to the new structure or is it going to be removed entirely?
Are you referring to the variable speed limit signs, or the actual V/DMS sign? I'm probably guessing that the variable speed limit sign will be replaced with a static one, and the V/DMS sign will be moved or replaced to the new gantry.
I was referring to the varaible message sign (VMS), or changeable message sign (CMS) per current nomenclature. The term dynamic message sign (DMS) was short lived and is no longer used.
Quote from: fwydriver405 on August 26, 2020, 10:34:16 AM
Were "Blue Star Turnpike" shields ever posted along the stretch of I-95 from Massachusetts to ~Exit 5/Portsmouth Traffic Circle?
This is the only one I know of, posted on an on ramp:
https://www.google.com/search?q=new+hampshire+turnpike+shield&sxsrf=ALeKk03LzwgFRXzTuWoaT2zsR66XRR6GqQ:1598479678402&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwijnaXr8LnrAhWkneAKHeX_B6wQ_AUoBHoECA0QBg&biw=1920&bih=937#imgrc=PVhmT7PXtNFdEM
Going back to the Exit 1 area on I-93. I wonder what this sign could be... an APL of Exit 1?
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frebuildingi93.com%2F_resources%2Fimages%2Fphotos%2Fexit1ToMassBorder%2FOverhead%2520sign%2520NB_large.jpg&hash=b9d44540cd2266e153e6c0ca2d5aab409e3d65da)
New APL signage along Exit 1 heading northbound from Massachusetts, replacing this former assembly (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tZQytiBko0Q/UeC6JSFZ2aI/AAAAAAAAA98/_obzBqx6Fao/s1600/i93nh713a.jpg):
(https://i.ibb.co/pzCjc70/NH93-Exit1-0-3-N.png) (https://ibb.co/r6n2Yj7)
(https://i.ibb.co/vw1DKpP/NH93-0-5-N.png) (https://ibb.co/VjV3PRS)
(https://i.ibb.co/XFKY9LD/93-Exit1-1-1-N.png) (https://ibb.co/xzBFyLY)
(https://i.ibb.co/QpGhLrz/NH93-Exit1-1-2-N.png) (https://ibb.co/4KxCzP9)
Quote from: fwydriver405 on October 13, 2020, 03:12:01 PM
New APL signage along Exit 1 heading northbound from Massachusetts, replacing this former assembly (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tZQytiBko0Q/UeC6JSFZ2aI/AAAAAAAAA98/_obzBqx6Fao/s1600/i93nh713a.jpg):
(https://i.ibb.co/pzCjc70/NH93-Exit1-0-3-N.png) (https://ibb.co/r6n2Yj7)
(https://i.ibb.co/vw1DKpP/NH93-0-5-N.png) (https://ibb.co/VjV3PRS)
(https://i.ibb.co/XFKY9LD/93-Exit1-1-1-N.png) (https://ibb.co/xzBFyLY)
(https://i.ibb.co/QpGhLrz/NH93-Exit1-1-2-N.png) (https://ibb.co/4KxCzP9)
Can you say overkill?
At least they didn't skimp out on the control cities this time, like they did on the 'Spaulding.
It does seem a little overkill, IMO, having an APL for the 1 mile where there's not even a lane drop/change. An APL northbound at the I-93/I-293 jct makes sense, since at least one lane becomes a left exit only lane and the next lane over is an option. But when an exit is coming up and there's no mainline lane drop/change, I don't see the need for an APL.
How's progress coming at Exit 4? Last time I was thru I-93 South this summer, the southbound roadway was still being worked on and all traffic was using the northbound roadway, 2 lanes each way.
Quote from: shadyjay on October 13, 2020, 06:03:38 PM
How's progress coming at Exit 4? Last time I was thru I-93 South this summer, the southbound roadway was still being worked on and all traffic was using the northbound roadway, 2 lanes each way.
When I went on October 10th, they had the southbound traffic shifted over the final configuration but it was still down to two lanes per direction. I'm guessing they need to re-pave and re-stripe a few sections of that SB carrigeway before they open the full four lanes up.
As for NB, I'm guessing the same things as well especially since they need to remove the Jersey barrier and repave and stripe the final configuration. Exit 4 in the northbound direction eventually did become a two lane exit upon the projects completion in 2020... see reply #212 for such information.
I'm not sure if Exit 4 in the NB direction will be a two lane exit given some of the project plans say so...
Quote from: shadyjay on October 13, 2020, 06:03:38 PM
At least they didn't skimp out on the control cities this time, like they did on the 'Spaulding.
It does seem a little overkill, IMO, having an APL for the 1 mile where there's not even a lane drop/change. An APL northbound at the I-93/I-293 jct makes sense, since at least one lane becomes a left exit only lane and the next lane over is an option. But when an exit is coming up and there's no mainline lane drop/change, I don't see the need for an APL.
I was going to ask the question why were APL's needed at Exit 1, especially since there is no TOTSO movement in the first place (but there is an option lane)?
Also I was was wondering about the control cities as well, because at the 293-93 interchange SB in Hooksett, it is also a TOTSO movement but they do show two control cites compared to the single city at the Spaulding at Exit 6.
Yeah, I agree that the new huge APLs at exit 1 are definitely overkill. Instead of spending the money on that, they should've spent the money on straightening out the exit 1 off ramp from I-93 southbound to eliminate the hairpin curve. Reportedly that movement wasn't even originally planned to exist, but when Rockingham Park was still in use it was added to facilitate traffic, which resulted in the modified trumpet interchange configuration that we have now. Can't tell you how many times I've seen big rigs come within inches of rolling over on that ramp.
Quote from: BridgesToIdealism on October 27, 2020, 09:26:04 AM
Yeah, I agree that the new huge APLs at exit 1 are definitely overkill. Instead of spending the money on that, they should've spent the money on straightening out the exit 1 off ramp from I-93 southbound to eliminate the hairpin curve. Reportedly that movement wasn't even originally planned to exist, but when Rockingham Park was still in use it was added to facilitate traffic, which resulted in the modified trumpet interchange configuration that we have now. Can't tell you how many times I've seen big rigs come within inches of rolling over on that ramp.
Not sure if you're aware, but the southbound exit 1 offramp WAS rebuilt as part of the widening project. Used to be even tighter but it was shifted ~300 ft farther south to get a slightly larger radius. That curve is now the largest it's ever gonna be without completely rebuilding the southbound onramp on a different alignment, which would be pretty much infeasible due to property impacts and abutting wetlands.
The current ramp has a ~250' radius curve, which is pretty average for a loop ramp around here. Larger than some of the ramps at the 93/128 interchange in Woburn, for example. Perfectly fine for a fairly low-volume movement.
Come take a virtual visit to the Saco River Covered Bridge in Conway, New Hampshire. Yes, you can drive over the bridge. Yes, it's just a quick detour from NH 16 or NH 153.
https://www.gribblenation.org/2020/11/saco-river-covered-bridge-conway-new.html (https://www.gribblenation.org/2020/11/saco-river-covered-bridge-conway-new.html)
Travelers along the famed and scenic Kancamagus Highway in the White Mountains of New Hampshire may feel compelled to take the short detour to the Albany Covered Bridge. It's worth the stop.
https://www.gribblenation.org/2020/12/albany-covered-bridge-new-hampshire.html (https://www.gribblenation.org/2020/12/albany-covered-bridge-new-hampshire.html)
ANOTHER new APL with only one control city, this time at the exit. Exit 4 on I-93 NB. (Update 17 Jul 22 - Derry was added on the Exit 4 portion of the sign)
(https://i.ibb.co/qF2WhTx/Screenshot-2020-12-30-at-22-26-34.png) (https://ibb.co/n8Kn4xR)
Man, NHDOT is definitely going overboard with the APLs. Neither Exit 1 nor Exit 4 make sense, since it's only a two-way intersection both times. The only real justification I can think of is that both cases are two-lane exit ramps, with the lefter of the two right lanes being a "split lane" that can either exit or stay on the mainline at the last minute... and the fact that the mainline looses a lane immediately north of Exit 1. But still that's a very weak justification for something like this.
Visiting the historic Bath Covered Bridge in the Lower Village of Bath, New Hampshire. It's one of the longest covered bridges remaining in New Hampshire today and the last covered bridge in North America that crossed over railroad tracks (the tracks have since been removed). Yes, you can drive over the bridge.
https://www.gribblenation.org/2021/01/bath-covered-bridge-new-hampshire.html (https://www.gribblenation.org/2021/01/bath-covered-bridge-new-hampshire.html)
Quote from: fwydriver405 on December 30, 2020, 10:28:38 PM
ANOTHER new APL with only one control city, this time at the exit. Exit 4 on I-93 NB.
(https://i.ibb.co/qF2WhTx/Screenshot-2020-12-30-at-22-26-34.png) (https://ibb.co/n8Kn4xR)
As one who's regularlly used Exit 4 several times a year for the past 35 years, all I can say is Good Grief! And we have a new winner for "Most unnecessary APL installation."
Quote from: BridgesToIdealism on January 05, 2021, 01:50:39 PM
Man, NHDOT is definitely going overboard with the APLs. Neither Exit 1 nor Exit 4 make sense, since it's only a two-way intersection both times. The only real justification I can think of is that both cases are two-lane exit ramps, with the lefter of the two right lanes being a "split lane" that can either exit or stay on the mainline at the last minute... and the fact that the mainline looses a lane immediately north of Exit 1. But still that's a very weak justification for something like this.
Perhaps NHDOT should take a look at what MassDOT did on I-95 southbound at I-295 in Attleboro when they converted the exit ramp to two lanes and created an option lane on the I-95 mainline. Used convetional signs at the 1/2 mile advance and exit direction locations, and no evidence that people can't figure out what lane they need to be in.
Quote from: roadman on January 06, 2021, 11:21:05 AM
Quote from: BridgesToIdealism on January 05, 2021, 01:50:39 PM
Man, NHDOT is definitely going overboard with the APLs. Neither Exit 1 nor Exit 4 make sense, since it's only a two-way intersection both times. The only real justification I can think of is that both cases are two-lane exit ramps, with the lefter of the two right lanes being a "split lane" that can either exit or stay on the mainline at the last minute... and the fact that the mainline looses a lane immediately north of Exit 1. But still that's a very weak justification for something like this.
Perhaps NHDOT should take a look at what MassDOT did on I-95 southbound at I-295 in Attleboro when they converted the exit ramp to two lanes and created an option lane on the I-95 mainline. Used convetional signs at the 1/2 mile advance and exit direction locations, and no evidence that people can't figure out what lane they need to be in.
Exit 4 in its new configuration is definitely worthy of an APL... the lane to the left of the solid white is an option lane, so an APL is appropriate. APLs are a recent addition to the "sign catalog", and Mass is slow to the punch to use APLs. The widening of I-95 SB Exit to I-295 in Attleboro MA came before the APL. I believe I read that Mass doesn't regularly use APLs ... only one I know of is on I-84 EB approaching the Mass Pike in Sturbridge, and that was put up as part of the conversion of the Pike to all-electronic tolling, not as part of a sign replacement project.
And I also believe reading that the MUTCD prefers APLs over diagrammatics. Most of the diagrammatics survive in Mass, having been replaced in recent sign contracts. In NH, most have become APLs. See I-93 SB approaching I-293 SB, I-93 NB approaching I-293 NB, I-95 NB approaching NH 16, etc. I'm sure at some point NH 101 WB approaching I-93 will get APLs.
Let's remember the I-93 NB Exit 4 predecessor sign was a ground-mount (with the older outline Old Man shield). The road was also only 2 lanes wide back then.
While both Exit 1 and Exit 4 now have option lanes, neither would be classified as a "major" split of roadways. To me at least, that should be a more important factor in determining whether APLs are justified than just saying "oh, it's an option lane, so we should automatically install APLs.' A signing setup similar to the one I mentioned at I-295 in Attleboro - which was constructed well after APLs were included in the MUTCD, would be sufficent. And why was Derry omitted from the Route 102 information, especially as Derry and Londonderry are both noted on the advance signs? As one who's had family, friends, and business dealings in Derry for the past 45 years, I can assure you it is a more significant destination than Londonderry is.
Visitors to the Great North Woods Region of northern New Hampshire can drive over the Mechanic Street Covered Bridge in Lancaster, New Hampshire.
https://www.gribblenation.org/2021/01/mechanic-street-covered-bridge.html (https://www.gribblenation.org/2021/01/mechanic-street-covered-bridge.html)
Quote from: shadyjay on January 06, 2021, 03:36:23 PM
Quote from: roadman on January 06, 2021, 11:21:05 AM
Quote from: BridgesToIdealism on January 05, 2021, 01:50:39 PM
Man, NHDOT is definitely going overboard with the APLs. Neither Exit 1 nor Exit 4 make sense, since it's only a two-way intersection both times. The only real justification I can think of is that both cases are two-lane exit ramps, with the lefter of the two right lanes being a "split lane" that can either exit or stay on the mainline at the last minute... and the fact that the mainline looses a lane immediately north of Exit 1. But still that's a very weak justification for something like this.
Perhaps NHDOT should take a look at what MassDOT did on I-95 southbound at I-295 in Attleboro when they converted the exit ramp to two lanes and created an option lane on the I-95 mainline. Used convetional signs at the 1/2 mile advance and exit direction locations, and no evidence that people can't figure out what lane they need to be in.
Exit 4 in its new configuration is definitely worthy of an APL... the lane to the left of the solid white is an option lane, so an APL is appropriate. APLs are a recent addition to the "sign catalog", and Mass is slow to the punch to use APLs. The widening of I-95 SB Exit to I-295 in Attleboro MA came before the APL. I believe I read that Mass doesn't regularly use APLs ... only one I know of is on I-84 EB approaching the Mass Pike in Sturbridge, and that was put up as part of the conversion of the Pike to all-electronic tolling, not as part of a sign replacement project.
And I also believe reading that the MUTCD prefers APLs over diagrammatics. Most of the diagrammatics survive in Mass, having been replaced in recent sign contracts. In NH, most have become APLs. See I-93 SB approaching I-293 SB, I-93 NB approaching I-293 NB, I-95 NB approaching NH 16, etc. I'm sure at some point NH 101 WB approaching I-93 will get APLs.
Let's remember the I-93 NB Exit 4 predecessor sign was a ground-mount (with the older outline Old Man shield). The road was also only 2 lanes wide back then.
https://goo.gl/maps/d1hXJrCMewk3a58Y6
It's weird though that exit 3 has the same treatment and they signed it much differently.
Quote from: shadyjay on January 06, 2021, 03:36:23 PMAPLs are a recent addition to the "sign catalog", and Mass is slow to the punch to use APLs. The widening of I-95 SB Exit to I-295 in Attleboro MA came before the APL. I believe I read that Mass doesn't regularly use APLs ... only one I know of is on I-84 EB approaching the Mass Pike in Sturbridge, and that was put up as part of the conversion of the Pike to all-electronic tolling, not as part of a sign replacement project.
And I also believe reading that the MUTCD prefers APLs over diagrammatics. Most of the diagrammatics survive in Mass, having been replaced in recent sign contracts.
At present, other APLs in MA include:
1. The new* northbound signage along MA 24 for the I-93 interchange. (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1703754,-71.0727621,3a,75y,341.97h,81.39t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sxRVeCmwTTcpk2-Z0553byQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
* Some of the supporting replacement APL advance signage have not yet been erected.
2. C/D road/ramp along I-95 (MA 128) southbound/US 3 northbound. (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4777761,-71.2163585,3a,75y,246.89h,91.09t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sI0d-gNhbC3Ol9JPNr9E9-A!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DI0d-gNhbC3Ol9JPNr9E9-A%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D64.36997%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)
IMHO, maybe this smaller APL covering only up to the shared-movement lane is how NHDOT should've signed Exits 1 & 4 respectively. Granted, the Burlington example is for a C/D ramp & the NH examples don't have such. Maybe this could be a possible listed APL alternative for future editions of the MUTCD.
Quote from: PHLBOS on January 28, 2021, 10:23:25 AM
Quote from: shadyjay on January 06, 2021, 03:36:23 PMAPLs are a recent addition to the "sign catalog", and Mass is slow to the punch to use APLs. The widening of I-95 SB Exit to I-295 in Attleboro MA came before the APL. I believe I read that Mass doesn't regularly use APLs ... only one I know of is on I-84 EB approaching the Mass Pike in Sturbridge, and that was put up as part of the conversion of the Pike to all-electronic tolling, not as part of a sign replacement project.
And I also believe reading that the MUTCD prefers APLs over diagrammatics. Most of the diagrammatics survive in Mass, having been replaced in recent sign contracts.
At present, other APLs in MA include:
1. The new* northbound signage along MA 24 for the I-93 interchange. (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1703754,-71.0727621,3a,75y,341.97h,81.39t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sxRVeCmwTTcpk2-Z0553byQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
* Some of the supporting replacement APL advance signage have not yet been erected.
2. C/D road/ramp along I-95 (MA 128) southbound/US 3 northbound. (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4777761,-71.2163585,3a,75y,246.89h,91.09t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sI0d-gNhbC3Ol9JPNr9E9-A!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DI0d-gNhbC3Ol9JPNr9E9-A%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D64.36997%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)
IMHO, maybe this smaller APL covering only up to the shared-movement lane is how NHDOT should've signed Exits 1 & 4 respectively. Granted, the Burlington example is for a C/D ramp & the NH examples don't have such. Maybe this could be a possible listed APL alternative for future editions of the MUTCD.
These two to me are perfect.
The 24 ending APL works because the road ends and you have to make a maneuver, and it gives you specific instructions as to what lanes commit to what lanes.
The US 3 signage, which is of course on a c/d lane, should work for a full freeway width. If you're in the far left lane of a freeway and have no intention of getting off, then nothing changes for that person. Only the lane with a choice should need the signage. I certainly can see the arguments against it though, maybe it would cause confusion, but I think it would work.
Quote from: SectorZ on January 28, 2021, 07:10:29 AM
https://goo.gl/maps/d1hXJrCMewk3a58Y6
It's weird though that exit 3 has the same treatment and they signed it much differently.
Exit 3 was completed much earlier and the signage dates to before NHDOT fully adopted APLs.
I agree that the partial-width APLs are probably the ideal middle ground here. If I recall correctly, isn't one state trying them out exactly as you guys are describing? Maybe Utah?
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on January 29, 2021, 08:39:33 AM
I agree that the partial-width APLs are probably the ideal middle ground here. If I recall correctly, isn't one state trying them out exactly as you guys are describing? Maybe Utah?
Some examples from another thread:
Quote from: on_wisconsin on August 08, 2014, 12:31:04 PM
New APL signs on the Madison Beltline:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv704%2Fpackerfan386%2F10553617_811309362225459_2388119330104240178_n_zps15a4c9fd.jpg&hash=680ba486974703347a421078c9f4cc3394cc88e7)
WisDOT
Very little excess space on this one. The FHWA should allow this particular modification (no extra pull-through arrow) as an option for non-system interchanges in the next MUTCD. IMO
Quote from: wanderer2575 on March 25, 2018, 02:58:06 PM
New signage on I-696 in Michigan last year includes some APLs.
MDOT's freeway standard appears to be... (section cut out)
...a partial-width sign over only the exit-only lane, the option lane, and the first thru-only lane when the road is five or more lanes wide ...
(EDIT: The sign plans show the leftmost arrow being taller and wider than the others; I wonder if that was a goof but the contractor followed the plans.)
(https://i.imgur.com/GT0fGmb.jpg)
... or maybe not even the thru-only lane.
(https://i.imgur.com/r4gv2Gp.jpg)
Has there been anything official concerning New Hampshire changing its exits from sequential to mile-based? I recall last year that the Governor is opposed to renumbering exits, and the Legislature was pushing through a bill to make the change happen. I haven't seen anything recently, but would just like to see if someone knows what's going on with exit numbering in Hew Hampshire.
Quote from: abqtraveler on January 29, 2021, 02:31:51 PM
Has there been anything official concerning New Hampshire changing its exits from sequential to mile-based? I recall last year that the Governor is opposed to renumbering exits, and the Legislature was pushing through a bill to make the change happen. I haven't seen anything recently, but would just like to see if someone knows what's going on with exit numbering in Hew Hampshire.
I've not seen anything at all since December 2019. The only concrete thing I can find that confirms its not happening anytime soon is the state's advertised bid calendar, which goes to September 2022, has nothing about changing exit numbers on it. So, assuming nothing before 2023 at least.
Quote from: SectorZ on January 29, 2021, 04:10:08 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on January 29, 2021, 02:31:51 PM
Has there been anything official concerning New Hampshire changing its exits from sequential to mile-based? I recall last year that the Governor is opposed to renumbering exits, and the Legislature was pushing through a bill to make the change happen. I haven't seen anything recently, but would just like to see if someone knows what's going on with exit numbering in Hew Hampshire.
I've not seen anything at all since December 2019. The only concrete thing I can find that confirms its not happening anytime soon is the state's advertised bid calendar, which goes to September 2022, has nothing about changing exit numbers on it. So, assuming nothing before 2023 at least.
I looked through the NHDOT 10 Year Plan, no mention of exit renumbering. I then looks a another document listing project changes and found this under Governor's Office - Project Recommendations, p. 7:
"Statewide 40915 Remove Project 40915 - Exit sign renumbering along tier 1 highways to comply
with MUTCD $952,754
Project removed from the TYP and moved fund to the HSIP
Programmatic by Phase and FY"
On his transmittal letter with the approved Draft 10 Year Plan the governor only disagrees with 1 project, exit renumbering:
"Exit numbers are a point of pride for many of us in New Hampshire, and exits we use say something about us and our communities. Changing exit numbers is unnecessarily burdensome for business owners and citizens, and the State already uses mile markers along the highways for reference by travelers. Accordingly, I have removed this project (Statewide 40915) from my version of the 10-Year Plan."
These items available at: https://www.nh.gov/dot/org/projectdevelopment/planning/typ/index.htm (https://www.nh.gov/dot/org/projectdevelopment/planning/typ/index.htm)
Looks like NH will have to wait for a new governor to make any progress on exit renumbering.
Quote from: bob7374 on January 31, 2021, 10:03:22 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on January 29, 2021, 04:10:08 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on January 29, 2021, 02:31:51 PM
Has there been anything official concerning New Hampshire changing its exits from sequential to mile-based? I recall last year that the Governor is opposed to renumbering exits, and the Legislature was pushing through a bill to make the change happen. I haven't seen anything recently, but would just like to see if someone knows what's going on with exit numbering in Hew Hampshire.
I've not seen anything at all since December 2019. The only concrete thing I can find that confirms its not happening anytime soon is the state's advertised bid calendar, which goes to September 2022, has nothing about changing exit numbers on it. So, assuming nothing before 2023 at least.
I looked through the NHDOT 10 Year Plan, no mention of exit renumbering. I then looks a another document listing project changes and found this under Governor's Office - Project Recommendations, p. 7:
"Statewide 40915 Remove Project 40915 - Exit sign renumbering along tier 1 highways to comply
with MUTCD $952,754
Project removed from the TYP and moved fund to the HSIP
Programmatic by Phase and FY"
On his transmittal letter with the approved Draft 10 Year Plan the governor only disagrees with 1 project, exit renumbering:
"Exit numbers are a point of pride for many of us in New Hampshire, and exits we use say something about us and our communities. Changing exit numbers is unnecessarily burdensome for business owners and citizens, and the State already uses mile markers along the highways for reference by travelers. Accordingly, I have removed this project (Statewide 40915) from my version of the 10-Year Plan."
These items available at: https://www.nh.gov/dot/org/projectdevelopment/planning/typ/index.htm (https://www.nh.gov/dot/org/projectdevelopment/planning/typ/index.htm)
Looks like NH will have to wait for a new governor to make any progress on exit renumbering.
Or the FHWA making good on its threat to withhold federal highway funds from New Hampshire would ultimately force the governor's hand to convert to mile-based exit numbering.
Quote from: abqtraveler on February 01, 2021, 08:22:17 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on January 31, 2021, 10:03:22 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on January 29, 2021, 04:10:08 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on January 29, 2021, 02:31:51 PM
Has there been anything official concerning New Hampshire changing its exits from sequential to mile-based? I recall last year that the Governor is opposed to renumbering exits, and the Legislature was pushing through a bill to make the change happen. I haven't seen anything recently, but would just like to see if someone knows what's going on with exit numbering in Hew Hampshire.
I've not seen anything at all since December 2019. The only concrete thing I can find that confirms its not happening anytime soon is the state's advertised bid calendar, which goes to September 2022, has nothing about changing exit numbers on it. So, assuming nothing before 2023 at least.
I looked through the NHDOT 10 Year Plan, no mention of exit renumbering. I then looks a another document listing project changes and found this under Governor's Office - Project Recommendations, p. 7:
"Statewide 40915 Remove Project 40915 - Exit sign renumbering along tier 1 highways to comply
with MUTCD $952,754
Project removed from the TYP and moved fund to the HSIP
Programmatic by Phase and FY"
On his transmittal letter with the approved Draft 10 Year Plan the governor only disagrees with 1 project, exit renumbering:
"Exit numbers are a point of pride for many of us in New Hampshire, and exits we use say something about us and our communities. Changing exit numbers is unnecessarily burdensome for business owners and citizens, and the State already uses mile markers along the highways for reference by travelers. Accordingly, I have removed this project (Statewide 40915) from my version of the 10-Year Plan."
These items available at: https://www.nh.gov/dot/org/projectdevelopment/planning/typ/index.htm (https://www.nh.gov/dot/org/projectdevelopment/planning/typ/index.htm)
Looks like NH will have to wait for a new governor to make any progress on exit renumbering.
Or the FHWA making good on its threat to withhold federal highway funds from New Hampshire would ultimately force the governor's hand to convert to mile-based exit numbering.
I'm curious about this. Not to get political but I will have a point to the thread here in doing so; the last administration didn't seem interested in pushing states to get this done (though some idiots on Cape Cod blamed the last president for the exit numbers on US 6 getting changed). Don't even know if this is a D/R thing or just in general at the whim of one's opinion.
I haven't seen anything from the Biden administration at all in regards to how hard (if at all) they're going to ask the stragglers to get this done. Since the edict started in 2009, under then VP Biden, I'd imagine his opinion will be similar to that of the administration he served under as VP.
Quote from: bob7374 on January 31, 2021, 10:03:22 PM
"Exit numbers are a point of pride for many of us in New Hampshire, and exits we use say something about us and our communities. Changing exit numbers is unnecessarily burdensome for business owners and citizens, and the State already uses mile markers along the highways for reference by travelers. Accordingly, I have removed this project (Statewide 40915) from my version of the 10-Year Plan."
These items available at: https://www.nh.gov/dot/org/projectdevelopment/planning/typ/index.htm (https://www.nh.gov/dot/org/projectdevelopment/planning/typ/index.htm)
Looks like NH will have to wait for a new governor to make any progress on exit renumbering.
That might be the dumbest thing I've read in quite some time.
Pixel 2
Quote from: billpa on February 01, 2021, 12:17:45 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on January 31, 2021, 10:03:22 PM
"Exit numbers are a point of pride for many of us in New Hampshire, and exits we use say something about us and our communities. Changing exit numbers is unnecessarily burdensome for business owners and citizens, and the State already uses mile markers along the highways for reference by travelers. Accordingly, I have removed this project (Statewide 40915) from my version of the 10-Year Plan."
These items available at: https://www.nh.gov/dot/org/projectdevelopment/planning/typ/index.htm (https://www.nh.gov/dot/org/projectdevelopment/planning/typ/index.htm)
Looks like NH will have to wait for a new governor to make any progress on exit renumbering.
That might be the dumbest thing I've read in quite some time.
Pixel 2
The New Hampshire governor's reasoning is the same as the opposition to Cape Cod: "We like our exit numbers and we're not gonna change."
I've never understood the obstinance on exit numbers, and I'm from the state where the joke "What Exit?" is a way of life. There is a very logical reason that they want this everywhere.
I'll be very interested if the FHWA goes through with withholding funding and the state sues.
If PA, MA, and even CA--which has been doing its own thing for signage since the dawn of the superhighway era--can get with the program, why can't NH?
Quote from: storm2k on February 01, 2021, 06:09:10 PM
I've never understood the obstinance on exit numbers, and I'm from the state where the joke "What Exit?" is a way of life. There is a very logical reason that they want this everywhere.
I'll be very interested if the FHWA goes through with withholding funding and the state sues.
If PA, MA, and even CA--which has been doing its own thing for signage since the dawn of the superhighway era--can get with the program, why can't NH?
Even New York is jumping on the exit renumbering bandwagon, although the conversion to mileage based exit numbers statewide will likely move at glacial speed. As we've seen with the recent renumbering of I-84, it looks like New York will renumber exits when signs along a given highway are due to be replaced.
Quote from: abqtraveler on February 01, 2021, 09:03:43 PM
Quote from: storm2k on February 01, 2021, 06:09:10 PM
I've never understood the obstinance on exit numbers, and I'm from the state where the joke "What Exit?" is a way of life. There is a very logical reason that they want this everywhere.
I'll be very interested if the FHWA goes through with withholding funding and the state sues.
If PA, MA, and even CA--which has been doing its own thing for signage since the dawn of the superhighway era--can get with the program, why can't NH?
Even New York is jumping on the exit renumbering bandwagon, although the conversion to mileage based exit numbers statewide will likely move at glacial speed. As we've seen with the recent renumbering of I-84, it looks like New York will renumber exits when signs along a given highway are due to be replaced.
NYSDOT, but not NYSTA, where the renumbering is actually needed the most.
Quote from: Rothman on February 02, 2021, 12:39:54 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on February 01, 2021, 09:03:43 PM
Quote from: storm2k on February 01, 2021, 06:09:10 PM
I've never understood the obstinance on exit numbers, and I'm from the state where the joke "What Exit?" is a way of life. There is a very logical reason that they want this everywhere.
I'll be very interested if the FHWA goes through with withholding funding and the state sues.
If PA, MA, and even CA--which has been doing its own thing for signage since the dawn of the superhighway era--can get with the program, why can't NH?
Even New York is jumping on the exit renumbering bandwagon, although the conversion to mileage based exit numbers statewide will likely move at glacial speed. As we've seen with the recent renumbering of I-84, it looks like New York will renumber exits when signs along a given highway are due to be replaced.
NYSDOT, but not NYSTA, where the renumbering is actually needed the most.
NYSTA is going to stay in solidarity with the NJ Turnpike Authority and resist renumbering until they're basically made to, and given that neither gets any federal highway money at all, there's not a lot that will make them do it unless some sort of provisions get tucked into a federal law somewhere.
Quote from: storm2k on February 02, 2021, 12:54:32 AM
Quote from: Rothman on February 02, 2021, 12:39:54 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on February 01, 2021, 09:03:43 PM
Quote from: storm2k on February 01, 2021, 06:09:10 PM
I've never understood the obstinance on exit numbers, and I'm from the state where the joke "What Exit?" is a way of life. There is a very logical reason that they want this everywhere.
I'll be very interested if the FHWA goes through with withholding funding and the state sues.
If PA, MA, and even CA--which has been doing its own thing for signage since the dawn of the superhighway era--can get with the program, why can't NH?
Even New York is jumping on the exit renumbering bandwagon, although the conversion to mileage based exit numbers statewide will likely move at glacial speed. As we've seen with the recent renumbering of I-84, it looks like New York will renumber exits when signs along a given highway are due to be replaced.
NYSDOT, but not NYSTA, where the renumbering is actually needed the most.
NYSTA is going to stay in solidarity with the NJ Turnpike Authority and resist renumbering until they're basically made to, and given that neither gets any federal highway money at all, there's not a lot that will make them do it unless some sort of provisions get tucked into a federal law somewhere.
IIRC, NYSTA did get some federal money to help pay for the replacement of the Tappan Zee Bridge. Otherwise, I would agree that it would be a very long time before you see exits on the Thruway change. NYSDOT will need to do some math to figure out what the exit numbers for the sections of I-87 and I-90 that fall outside the Thruway system.
It would be one thing if the NH governor just made some logical argument about not wanting to change the exit signage or something, but his quasi-patriotic-like rant sounds so ridiculous I now want the federal government to force them to change no later than the end of 2021.
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Quote from: abqtraveler on February 02, 2021, 08:19:36 AM
Quote from: storm2k on February 02, 2021, 12:54:32 AM
Quote from: Rothman on February 02, 2021, 12:39:54 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on February 01, 2021, 09:03:43 PM
Quote from: storm2k on February 01, 2021, 06:09:10 PM
I've never understood the obstinance on exit numbers, and I'm from the state where the joke "What Exit?" is a way of life. There is a very logical reason that they want this everywhere.
I'll be very interested if the FHWA goes through with withholding funding and the state sues.
If PA, MA, and even CA--which has been doing its own thing for signage since the dawn of the superhighway era--can get with the program, why can't NH?
Even New York is jumping on the exit renumbering bandwagon, although the conversion to mileage based exit numbers statewide will likely move at glacial speed. As we've seen with the recent renumbering of I-84, it looks like New York will renumber exits when signs along a given highway are due to be replaced.
NYSDOT, but not NYSTA, where the renumbering is actually needed the most.
NYSTA is going to stay in solidarity with the NJ Turnpike Authority and resist renumbering until they're basically made to, and given that neither gets any federal highway money at all, there's not a lot that will make them do it unless some sort of provisions get tucked into a federal law somewhere.
IIRC, NYSTA did get some federal money to help pay for the replacement of the Tappan Zee Bridge. Otherwise, I would agree that it would be a very long time before you see exits on the Thruway change. NYSDOT will need to do some math to figure out what the exit numbers for the sections of I-87 and I-90 that fall outside the Thruway system.
That money has come and gone. The leverage FHWA had is no longer there. Thruway's not changing any time soon.
Looks like all-electronic tolling is being planned for the Spaulding.....
https://www.dot.nh.gov/news-and-media/dover-combined-public-officialspublic-informational-meeting
AND
http://www.nhaet.com/
NHDOT's Ten Year Plan also includes funding for AET conversion at Bedford (2023-2024).
Quote from: abqtraveler on February 01, 2021, 12:58:05 PM
Quote from: billpa on February 01, 2021, 12:17:45 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on January 31, 2021, 10:03:22 PM
"Exit numbers are a point of pride for many of us in New Hampshire, and exits we use say something about us and our communities. Changing exit numbers is unnecessarily burdensome for business owners and citizens, and the State already uses mile markers along the highways for reference by travelers. Accordingly, I have removed this project (Statewide 40915) from my version of the 10-Year Plan."
These items available at: https://www.nh.gov/dot/org/projectdevelopment/planning/typ/index.htm (https://www.nh.gov/dot/org/projectdevelopment/planning/typ/index.htm)
Looks like NH will have to wait for a new governor to make any progress on exit renumbering.
That might be the dumbest thing I've read in quite some time.
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The New Hampshire governor's reasoning is the same as the opposition to Cape Cod: "We like our exit numbers and we're not gonna change."
Not to be argumentative, but can someone tell me why changing exit numbers is still a priority in the age of GPS and in-car navigation? No one drives around using maps or paper mapquest directions anymore. The so called advantage of knowing the mileage to your exit just doesn't exist anymore. Locals who use the road everyday don't need the information or they already know it by heart, and those who are unfamiliar with the area are undoubtedly using GPS. And the line about future interchanges is just a stretch in my opinion. How often are interchanges added these days? The practice of adding a letter after an interchange number is still done with the mileage based system, especially in urban areas. It all just doesn't seem to be worth the money or effort in my opinion other than because traffic engineers said so. I'd be curious to see if there's any recent science, research, or data showing that these changes are beneficial either from a safety or economic standpoint.
I'd argue there's an advantage of sequential numbering in knowing that your exit is next so you can prepare to safely move over. This doesn't exist in the mileage based system. With today's age of distracted driving, if I see I'm passing exit 5, and I'm getting off at exit 6, then its good to know that my exit is next and I can be on the lookout for guide signs for my exit. In the mileage system, if my exit is 26, and I'm passing exit 19, I have no idea how many exits are between exit 19 and my exit (26). Yes I know the mileage, but that now requires me to either look at my odometer constantly or look at the much smaller mileage signs on the side of the road, many of which aren't maintained. Since GPS already tells me how many miles to my exit, knowing that my exit is next, or that it's two exits away, etc. is a much more valuable piece of information to have. And in the rare case of a gap in sequence, large warning signs are already used to state that there is "No Exit XX".
My two cents. Hope this doesn't cause a storm here.
Quote from: mass_citizen on February 28, 2021, 02:33:43 AM
I'd argue there's an advantage of sequential numbering in knowing that your exit is next so you can prepare to safely move over. This doesn't exist in the mileage based system.
You would be wrong. Obviously.
In the consecutive numbering system you know that your exit is (probably) next, but what the f does that even mean? It could be 5 miles, it could be 3 miles, it could be 8 miles, it could be 1 mile, it could be 0.5 mile, it could be 0.2 mile, etc.
And it could even *not* be the next exit, in case there is an "A" exit that is there because it is a new interchange that was added later.
In the real world, we see the "2 mile" advance guide sign and we start getting in the proper lane for the exit, followed by the "1 mile" sign and then the exit itself.
As a Georgia resident I have lived with both systems. 2 decades after Georgia changed its exit numbers, I have no reason to care what the old ones were.
As someone who drives long distance frequently (as a lot of us on here do), the advantage of mileage-based exit numbering is almost childishly obvious, even in the era of GPS and cell phones. When you're driving, you're not a slave to the GPS all the time -- that would actually be dangerous. So, knowing what exit you'll be getting off at and knowing the distance and therefore the time in less than a second of mental effort is just a tremendous convenience and takes a burden off of the driver.
Whenever I come back to NY and the idiotic sequential exit numbering -- especially on the Thruway -- I actually think it's an embarrassment. Sequential exit numbering is a clear indicator of an imbecilic neanderthal society rather than one that has truly entered the 20th century, no sic intended. Leaving the driver to guess the distance between exits is just stupid.
ETA: For someone from MA to say that sequential numbering allows you to know when you need to move over causes me to facepalm. Sure, move over between Exits 2 and 3 on the Pike...it's only 30 miles!
Quote from: mass_citizen on February 28, 2021, 02:33:43 AM
And in the rare case of a gap in sequence, large warning signs are already used to state that there is "No Exit XX".
Those signs are only used in MA and RI - so once those states finish converting, they'll be used nowhere. The Northway had "exit 3 to be built" signs at one time, but those were eventually removed. And they're not uniform in MA, either (see: the Big Dig).
For a personal experience on the use of mile-based exits, in 2014, I was driving my friends along I-64 WB east of Lexington, KY, on the way to a wedding in Florence, KY. With mile-based exits, I was able to determine what time we would get to our hotel (minus accidents or congestion which did not happen in this scenario) just by having my friends read a Kentucky State Map and using the relevant exit numbers on I-64 and I-75.
Quote from: vdeane on February 28, 2021, 09:11:24 PM
Quote from: mass_citizen on February 28, 2021, 02:33:43 AM
And in the rare case of a gap in sequence, large warning signs are already used to state that there is "No Exit XX".
Those signs are only used in MA and RI - so once those states finish converting, they'll be used nowhere. The Northway had "exit 3 to be built" signs at one time, but those were eventually removed. And they're not uniform in MA, either (see: the Big Dig).
Actually, some of those "Next Exit XX" signs were reused as part of MA's exit renumbering scheme.
Route 3: 1 (https://malmeroads.net/mass21c/ma3signs1220yyyyy.jpg), 2 (https://malmeroads.net/mass21c/ma3signs1220yyy.jpg)
This blank "Next Exit" sign on 195 (https://malmeroads.net/mass21c/i195signs1120p.jpg)
Quote from: ran4sh on February 28, 2021, 03:55:53 AM
You would be wrong. Obviously.
Enough. From everyone. Numbers are getting converted, both sides have made their point, we move on.
Is NHDOT utilising part-time AET at all of its toll facilities during the night period (9pm-5 or 6am) currently? I've noticed the following since mid-February 2021:
- On my trips within the past two weeks coming from Boston back to Maine at like 9 PM, at the Hampton Toll Plaza, the only toll booth lane open was an "E-ZPass Only" lane... not a single cash lane in either direction. I don't know if this also applied to the toll plaza at the I-95/NH101 interchange.
- Though not the same thing, on my trips from Nashua and heading north via the Everett Turnpike, also around the 8-9 PM hour, usually, Exit 10 only has the coin basket (exact change) and "E-ZPass Only" lanes open during the night period... I'm not positive on this but at one instance I only saw the E-ZPass lanes open on that toll booth.
I'm not sure if this "part-time" AET is also in effect at the Bedford, Hooksett, Dover or Rochester Toll Plazas. Wonder if it's due to a staffing shortage (or no night workers/COVID policy) or a pilot project...
Quote from: fwydriver405 on March 24, 2021, 04:31:25 PM
Is NHDOT utilising part-time AET at all of its toll facilities during the night period (9pm-5 or 6am) currently? I've noticed the following since mid-February 2021:
- On my trips within the past two weeks coming from Boston back to Maine at like 9 PM, at the Hampton Toll Plaza, the only toll booth lane open was an "E-ZPass Only" lane... not a single cash lane in either direction. I don't know if this also applied to the toll plaza at the I-95/NH101 interchange.
- Though not the same thing, on my trips from Nashua and heading north via the Everett Turnpike, also around the 8-9 PM hour, usually, Exit 10 only has the coin basket (exact change) and "E-ZPass Only" lanes open during the night period... I'm not positive on this but at one instance I only saw the E-ZPass lanes open on that toll booth.
I'm not sure if this "part-time" AET is also in effect at the Bedford, Hooksett, Dover or Rochester Toll Plazas. Wonder if it's due to a staffing shortage (or no night workers/COVID policy) or a pilot project...
I don't know about Hampton, but the exit 10 tolls have been exact change/E-Z Pass only overnight for as far back as I can remember. They were exact change/tokens only overnight long before E-Z Pass even existed. Same with exit 11 when it had tolls IIRC.
They also did have layoffs of toll collection staff due to Covid, as I actually know someone who took it as a part-time job in February 2020 to only lose the gig two months later.
Quote from: fwydriver405 on March 24, 2021, 04:31:25 PM
Is NHDOT utilising part-time AET at all of its toll facilities during the night period (9pm-5 or 6am) currently? I've noticed the following since mid-February 2021:
- On my trips within the past two weeks coming from Boston back to Maine at like 9 PM, at the Hampton Toll Plaza, the only toll booth lane open was an "E-ZPass Only" lane... not a single cash lane in either direction. I don't know if this also applied to the toll plaza at the I-95/NH101 interchange.
- Though not the same thing, on my trips from Nashua and heading north via the Everett Turnpike, also around the 8-9 PM hour, usually, Exit 10 only has the coin basket (exact change) and "E-ZPass Only" lanes open during the night period... I'm not positive on this but at one instance I only saw the E-ZPass lanes open on that toll booth.
I'm not sure if this "part-time" AET is also in effect at the Bedford, Hooksett, Dover or Rochester Toll Plazas. Wonder if it's due to a staffing shortage (or no night workers/COVID policy) or a pilot project...
Got an update on this. You were definitely onto something here.
Per NHDOT Facebook page...
NHDOT is making a change to cash collection hours to match staffing to current traffic volumes.
Read more about these changes here: https://www.dot.nh.gov/news-and-media/nhdot-announces-changes-toll-collection-hours?fbclid=IwAR0kRtx4W0BPpV7zlTYqi65dDjl9Z8FclxPg1a1w-HmfmHObI6MKt890wkk
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NHDOT Announces Changes to Toll Collection Hours
Hours Shift in Response to Traffic Volumes
The New Hampshire Department of Transportation (NHDOT) has been monitoring traffic volumes since the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic and announces the following change to our toll collection operations, which we expect to continue for the foreseeable future:
Beginning on Friday, April, 9th at 6:00 AM the Toll Plaza Cash Lanes will be staffed from 6:00 AM to 10:00 PM only.
Between the hours of 6:00 AM and 10:00 PM, customers will be able to pay the toll fare by cash in an attended cash lane, or by E-ZPass in a dedicated E-ZPass lane.
During the overnight hours of 10:00 PM to 6:00 AM, Toll Plazas will operate as All Electronic Tolling (AET). There will be no cash collection during these hours. To avoid receiving an invoice, customers can use the "7-Day to Pay" option through the website www.ezpassnh.com/postpay-trip or contact Customer Service Center as listed below.
Customers with any questions regarding E-ZPass transactions or invoices may contact the E-ZPass Call Center at Toll Free Number: (877) 643-9727 Monday through Friday — 8:00 AM to 6:00 PM and Saturday — 8:00 AM — 4:00 PM.
Invoices can also be paid in-person at the E-ZPass Walk-In Centers (WIC) located in Concord and Portsmouth. These locations are open Monday, Wednesday and Friday from 10:00 AM to 6:00 PM. Address information can be found at www.ezpassnh.com/page/service-center-locations.
Customers can also open up a New Hampshire E-ZPass account and received a 30% discount for passenger vehicles on each transaction. Sign up for an E-ZPass account online at www.ezpassnh.com, by calling (877) 643-9727 or at one of the NH E-ZPass Walk in Centers.
Signs will be hung on the toll booths to notify motorists of these changes. Additionally, we will be distributing postcards to our customers outlining our new hours. We understand that changes in any process can be frustrating, we ask you to be patient with our toll attendants, and to please drive with courtesy, that's the New Hampshire Way.
It looks like New Hampshire has some firm plans for the replacement of the Neil R Underwood Bridge between Seabrook and Hampton (NH 1A)
https://www.nh.gov/dot/projects/seabrookhampton15904/
It appears the preferred alternative is a fixed structure, which can be built next to the existing drawbridge negating the need for a temporary bridge or years long closure of 1A. This also is the cheapest and fastest solution per the presentation in the link.
Quote from: fwydriver405 on March 01, 2021, 02:23:52 PM
Quote from: vdeane on February 28, 2021, 09:11:24 PM
Quote from: mass_citizen on February 28, 2021, 02:33:43 AM
And in the rare case of a gap in sequence, large warning signs are already used to state that there is "No Exit XX".
Those signs are only used in MA and RI - so once those states finish converting, they'll be used nowhere. The Northway had "exit 3 to be built" signs at one time, but those were eventually removed. And they're not uniform in MA, either (see: the Big Dig).
Actually, some of those "Next Exit XX" signs were reused as part of MA's exit renumbering scheme.
Route 3: 1 (https://malmeroads.net/mass21c/ma3signs1220yyyyy.jpg), 2 (https://malmeroads.net/mass21c/ma3signs1220yyy.jpg)
This blank "Next Exit" sign on 195 (https://malmeroads.net/mass21c/i195signs1120p.jpg)
All "NEXT EXIT XX" signs are slated to be eventually removed under MassDOT's conversion project. Not sure why the ones you mention are still in plaCE.
Quote from: roadman on March 27, 2021, 09:59:06 AM
Quote from: fwydriver405 on March 01, 2021, 02:23:52 PM
Quote from: vdeane on February 28, 2021, 09:11:24 PM
Quote from: mass_citizen on February 28, 2021, 02:33:43 AM
And in the rare case of a gap in sequence, large warning signs are already used to state that there is "No Exit XX".
Those signs are only used in MA and RI - so once those states finish converting, they'll be used nowhere. The Northway had "exit 3 to be built" signs at one time, but those were eventually removed. And they're not uniform in MA, either (see: the Big Dig).
Actually, some of those "Next Exit XX" signs were reused as part of MA's exit renumbering scheme.
Route 3: 1 (https://malmeroads.net/mass21c/ma3signs1220yyyyy.jpg), 2 (https://malmeroads.net/mass21c/ma3signs1220yyy.jpg)
This blank "Next Exit" sign on 195 (https://malmeroads.net/mass21c/i195signs1120p.jpg)
All "NEXT EXIT XX" signs are slated to be eventually removed under MassDOT's conversion project. Not sure why the ones you mention are still in place.
I understand that there is no need to keep the 'No Exit ##' signs after exit number conversion, but wouldn't there still be a benefit to keeping 'Next Exit ##' signs where that exit number does exist going in the opposite direction, as is the case in the examples above?
Maybe if New Hampshire does not wish to convert its exits from sequential-to-mileage-based (no thanks to Governor Sununu), they could install milepoint signs like Vermont did last year.
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on March 29, 2021, 09:41:24 PM
Maybe if New Hampshire does not wish to convert its exits from sequential-to-mileage-based (no thanks to Governor Sununu), they could install milepoint signs like Vermont did last year.
Please don't give them any ideas.
Maybe you're right. On the other hand, New Hampshire should get with the program and ditch their sequential exit numbers for mileage-based ones. No more excuses.
It's worth noting that FHWA signed off on Vermont's Milepost Exit sign plan. It isn't perfect, but perhaps it's a way for both sides (pro-milepost and pro-sequential) to get something out of it.
Quote from: froggie on April 01, 2021, 12:43:43 PM
It's worth noting that FHWA signed off on Vermont's Milepost Exit sign plan. It isn't perfect, but perhaps it's a way for both sides (pro-milepost and pro-sequential) to get something out of it.
I wish they hadn't. VT needs to do a proper conversion. I think I remember reading that such is supposed to happen in 2030, but I'm skeptical it actually will.
I wonder if this would be a good compromise for road like the Thruway or NJ Turnpike, though. Have the regular number and a plaque on the bottom with "Thruway exit X"?
Quote from: vdeane on April 01, 2021, 12:58:30 PM
Quote from: froggie on April 01, 2021, 12:43:43 PM
It's worth noting that FHWA signed off on Vermont's Milepost Exit sign plan. It isn't perfect, but perhaps it's a way for both sides (pro-milepost and pro-sequential) to get something out of it.
I wish they hadn't. VT needs to do a proper conversion. I think I remember reading that such is supposed to happen in 2030, but I'm skeptical it actually will.
I wonder if this would be a good compromise for road like the Thruway or NJ Turnpike, though. Have the regular number and a plaque on the bottom with "Thruway exit X"?
If they're going to do it when they replace the signs the next time around, I'm OK with it. I just think they'll find a new excuse to not do it once that time comes.
I posted this in the OLD and NEW (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=29137.msg2604059#msg2604059) thread earlier today, thought it was interesting to share how Exit 1 on I-93 northbound has evolved from the early (or mid) 2000's to now during the widening. Which sign assembly is your favourite?
QuoteExit 1 at the gore (first two photos, pre-2005 and 2009 are from NHDOT, third (2013) from Robert H. Malme (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tZQytiBko0Q/UeC6JSFZ2aI/AAAAAAAAA98/_obzBqx6Fao/s1600/i93nh713a.jpg), and fourth (2020) from me)
(https://i.ibb.co/y62xwqC/IMG-0205.jpg) (https://ibb.co/y62xwqC)(https://i.ibb.co/qgSsrn5/IMG-0206.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qgSsrn5)(https://i.ibb.co/M5RbyyG/Signage-approaching-completed-section-of-I-93-North-in-Salem-NH-7-10-13.jpg) (https://ibb.co/M5RbyyG)(https://i.ibb.co/4KxCzP9/NH93-Exit1-1-2-N.png) (https://ibb.co/4KxCzP9)
Quote from: fwydriver405 on April 29, 2021, 07:18:42 PM
I posted this in the OLD and NEW (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=29137.msg2604059#msg2604059) thread earlier today, thought it was interesting to share how Exit 1 on I-93 northbound has evolved from the early (or mid) 2000's to now during the widening. Which sign assembly is your favourite?
QuoteExit 1 at the gore (first two photos, pre-2005 and 2009 are from NHDOT, third (2013) from Robert H. Malme (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tZQytiBko0Q/UeC6JSFZ2aI/AAAAAAAAA98/_obzBqx6Fao/s1600/i93nh713a.jpg), and fourth (2020) from me)
(https://i.ibb.co/y62xwqC/IMG-0205.jpg) (https://ibb.co/y62xwqC)(https://i.ibb.co/qgSsrn5/IMG-0206.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qgSsrn5)(https://i.ibb.co/M5RbyyG/Signage-approaching-completed-section-of-I-93-North-in-Salem-NH-7-10-13.jpg) (https://ibb.co/M5RbyyG)(https://i.ibb.co/4KxCzP9/NH93-Exit1-1-2-N.png) (https://ibb.co/4KxCzP9)
anyone who doesn't answer #1 is banned
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on March 29, 2021, 09:41:24 PM
Maybe if New Hampshire does not wish to convert its exits from sequential-to-mileage-based (no thanks to Governor Sununu), they could install milepoint signs like Vermont did last year.
The reason he doesn't is that he was an exit 3 kid in Salem, whatever that means.
/me scratches his head
What was my old exit number again?
Here east of the border, the world has not ended.
Quote from: yakra on May 02, 2021, 08:50:41 AM
/me scratches his head
What was my old exit number again?
Here east of the border, the world has not ended.
I took no pride in being an exit 19 kid.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 02, 2021, 02:38:57 PM
Quote from: yakra on May 02, 2021, 08:50:41 AM
/me scratches his head
What was my old exit number again?
Here east of the border, the world has not ended.
I took no pride in being an exit 19 kid.
I'm not sure anyone in NH besides Sununu takes pride in being an Exit anything kid.
Quote from: DRMan on May 03, 2021, 12:03:44 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 02, 2021, 02:38:57 PM
Quote from: yakra on May 02, 2021, 08:50:41 AM
/me scratches his head
What was my old exit number again?
Here east of the border, the world has not ended.
I took no pride in being an exit 19 kid.
I'm not sure anyone in NH besides Sununu takes pride in being an Exit anything kid.
It's also a Vermont thing. One of my distant relatives had a license plate with his exit number (EXIT X) because he owned a gas station that was off that exit and used the exit number as the name of the business.
Quote from: DRMan on May 03, 2021, 12:03:44 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 02, 2021, 02:38:57 PM
Quote from: yakra on May 02, 2021, 08:50:41 AM
/me scratches his head
What was my old exit number again?
Here east of the border, the world has not ended.
I took no pride in being an exit 19 kid.
I'm not sure anyone in NH besides Sununu takes pride in being an Exit anything kid.
I've known plenty of people that grew up in NH and none cared about the exit number they grew up off of. It sounds more like pushing fake nostalgia to maintain the status quo.
Quote from: SectorZ on May 03, 2021, 05:01:49 PM
Quote from: DRMan on May 03, 2021, 12:03:44 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 02, 2021, 02:38:57 PM
Quote from: yakra on May 02, 2021, 08:50:41 AM
/me scratches his head
What was my old exit number again?
Here east of the border, the world has not ended.
I took no pride in being an exit 19 kid.
I'm not sure anyone in NH besides Sununu takes pride in being an Exit anything kid.
I've known plenty of people that grew up in NH and none cared about the exit number they grew up off of. It sounds more like pushing fake nostalgia to maintain the status quo.
I generally only hear "EXIT X" in the context of NJ Tpk. and Garden State Pkwy. I haven't seen that same attachment elsewhere, maybe a couple of exits on MassPike or NY Thruway but not the whole road.
Quote from: Alps on May 03, 2021, 06:01:42 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on May 03, 2021, 05:01:49 PM
Quote from: DRMan on May 03, 2021, 12:03:44 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 02, 2021, 02:38:57 PM
Quote from: yakra on May 02, 2021, 08:50:41 AM
/me scratches his head
What was my old exit number again?
Here east of the border, the world has not ended.
I took no pride in being an exit 19 kid.
I'm not sure anyone in NH besides Sununu takes pride in being an Exit anything kid.
I've known plenty of people that grew up in NH and none cared about the exit number they grew up off of. It sounds more like pushing fake nostalgia to maintain the status quo.
I generally only hear "EXIT X" in the context of NJ Tpk. and Garden State Pkwy. I haven't seen that same attachment elsewhere, maybe a couple of exits on MassPike or NY Thruway but not the whole road.
The Northway gets that treatment as well. Lots of locals in the Capital District refer to the exits.
Quote from: Alps on May 03, 2021, 06:01:42 PMI generally only hear "EXIT X" in the context of NJ Tpk. and Garden State Pkwy. I haven't seen that same attachment elsewhere, maybe a couple of exits on MassPike or NY Thruway but not the whole road.
Not sure about today but back when the CT Turnpike still had tolls;
What Exit are you from? was a common phrase for that region as well.
Quote from: roadman on August 26, 2020, 10:18:22 AM
The last Alan Shephard sign I recall seeing was on the ramp from 102 west to I-93 south in Londonderry. It had been removed by the time I last used that ramp about two months ago.
Looks like we can expect to see more Alan Shepard Highway signs...
https://twitter.com/SenatorShaheen/status/1436423137927868416/photo/1
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One went up on the southbound onramp at Exit 3 a few weeks ago. I was very surprised to see it until Friday's rededication.
Quote from: Alps on April 29, 2021, 08:05:36 PM
Quote from: fwydriver405 on April 29, 2021, 07:18:42 PM
I posted this in the OLD and NEW (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=29137.msg2604059#msg2604059) thread earlier today, thought it was interesting to share how Exit 1 on I-93 northbound has evolved from the early (or mid) 2000's to now during the widening. Which sign assembly is your favourite?
QuoteExit 1 at the gore (first two photos, pre-2005 and 2009 are from NHDOT, third (2013) from Robert H. Malme (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tZQytiBko0Q/UeC6JSFZ2aI/AAAAAAAAA98/_obzBqx6Fao/s1600/i93nh713a.jpg), and fourth (2020) from me)
(https://i.ibb.co/y62xwqC/IMG-0205.jpg) (https://ibb.co/y62xwqC)(https://i.ibb.co/qgSsrn5/IMG-0206.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qgSsrn5)(https://i.ibb.co/M5RbyyG/Signage-approaching-completed-section-of-I-93-North-in-Salem-NH-7-10-13.jpg) (https://ibb.co/M5RbyyG)(https://i.ibb.co/4KxCzP9/NH93-Exit1-1-2-N.png) (https://ibb.co/4KxCzP9)
anyone who doesn't answer #1 is banned
Was a new overpass built between 2009 and 2013? And what was its purpose?
Quote from: kramie13 on September 16, 2021, 06:56:55 PM
Quote from: Alps on April 29, 2021, 08:05:36 PM
Quote from: fwydriver405 on April 29, 2021, 07:18:42 PM
I posted this in the OLD and NEW (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=29137.msg2604059#msg2604059) thread earlier today, thought it was interesting to share how Exit 1 on I-93 northbound has evolved from the early (or mid) 2000's to now during the widening. Which sign assembly is your favourite?
QuoteExit 1 at the gore (first two photos, pre-2005 and 2009 are from NHDOT, third (2013) from Robert H. Malme (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tZQytiBko0Q/UeC6JSFZ2aI/AAAAAAAAA98/_obzBqx6Fao/s1600/i93nh713a.jpg), and fourth (2020) from me)
(https://i.ibb.co/y62xwqC/IMG-0205.jpg) (https://ibb.co/y62xwqC)(https://i.ibb.co/qgSsrn5/IMG-0206.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qgSsrn5)(https://i.ibb.co/M5RbyyG/Signage-approaching-completed-section-of-I-93-North-in-Salem-NH-7-10-13.jpg) (https://ibb.co/M5RbyyG)(https://i.ibb.co/4KxCzP9/NH93-Exit1-1-2-N.png) (https://ibb.co/4KxCzP9)
anyone who doesn't answer #1 is banned
Was a new overpass built between 2009 and 2013? And what was its purpose?
It's part of the entrance/exit ramp. This exit leads to a very high-use mall, since there's no sales tax on the New Hampshire side of the border.
Well, y'know, ya go to Massachusetts, yah gonna haveta pay SALES TAX!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pazHA-SGmjI
I was in New Hampshire a couple of weeks ago and drove up I-93. I noticed some oddities with the exit numbering:
-Both interchanges for I-293 and I-89 don't have exit numbers. Why?
-There was an "exit 9N" and an "exit 9S" in the Manchester area. Why are they signed N-S instead of A-B?
-Why is there no exit 21? For a state that doesn't want to convert to mile-based exit numbering, this perplexes me.
Quote-Why is there no exit 21? For a state that doesn't want to convert to mile-based exit numbering, this perplexes me.
"Exit 21" was intended for a proposed but never-built freeway connection between Franklin and Laconia which would have been (depending on the plan and the year) a mile or two north of Exit 20.
Quote from: kramie13 on October 18, 2021, 02:35:59 PM
I was in New Hampshire a couple of weeks ago and drove up I-93. I noticed some oddities with the exit numbering:
-Both interchanges for I-293 and I-89 don't have exit numbers. Why?
-There was an "exit 9N" and an "exit 9S" in the Manchester area. Why are they signed N-S instead of A-B?
Both of these are artifacts of how states originally designated exits. In many states, Interstate-Interstate junctions were unnumbered and N/S E/W were used.
Quote from: Alps on October 18, 2021, 06:17:42 PM
Quote from: kramie13 on October 18, 2021, 02:35:59 PM
I was in New Hampshire a couple of weeks ago and drove up I-93. I noticed some oddities with the exit numbering:
-Both interchanges for I-293 and I-89 don't have exit numbers. Why?
-There was an "exit 9N" and an "exit 9S" in the Manchester area. Why are they signed N-S instead of A-B?
Both of these are artifacts of how states originally designated exits. In many states, Interstate-Interstate junctions were unnumbered and N/S E/W were used.
An even earlier iteration of numbering exits in a cloverleaf interchange was to give them two separate numbers. The Merritt Parkway in CT had a few cases of this, with one case remaining, for Rt 34 in Orange (what would have been either E/W or A/B is given two separate numbers).
Back to I-93...
the Everett Tpke predates I-93 in this area, so there originally was no interchange where I-89 comes in.
Quote from: shadyjay on October 18, 2021, 06:26:39 PM
Quote from: Alps on October 18, 2021, 06:17:42 PM
Quote from: kramie13 on October 18, 2021, 02:35:59 PM
I was in New Hampshire a couple of weeks ago and drove up I-93. I noticed some oddities with the exit numbering:
-Both interchanges for I-293 and I-89 don't have exit numbers. Why?
-There was an "exit 9N" and an "exit 9S" in the Manchester area. Why are they signed N-S instead of A-B?
Both of these are artifacts of how states originally designated exits. In many states, Interstate-Interstate junctions were unnumbered and N/S E/W were used.
An even earlier iteration of numbering exits in a cloverleaf interchange was to give them two separate numbers. The Merritt Parkway in CT had a few cases of this, with one case remaining, for Rt 34 in Orange (what would have been either E/W or A/B is given two separate numbers).
Back to I-93...
the Everett Tpke predates I-93 in this area, so there originally was no interchange where I-89 comes in.
Exits 15E-15W are also still kicking in Concord, and the Everett Turnpike has a couple including my very favorite, 5E-5W-5A. They even mix and match directional suffixes with "regular" letters!
PA was another notable example of I-I junctions not getting exit numbers until they renumbered everything in 2000. Vermont was another example although not consistently (no number on 89 for 91, but used to be 10S-10N on 91 for 89 (half-assed, not on every sign), now 10A-B, to be changed eventually to mileage numbers.
Quote from: PurdueBill on October 27, 2021, 10:47:56 AM
Quote from: shadyjay on October 18, 2021, 06:26:39 PM
Quote from: Alps on October 18, 2021, 06:17:42 PM
Quote from: kramie13 on October 18, 2021, 02:35:59 PM
I was in New Hampshire a couple of weeks ago and drove up I-93. I noticed some oddities with the exit numbering:
-Both interchanges for I-293 and I-89 don't have exit numbers. Why?
-There was an "exit 9N" and an "exit 9S" in the Manchester area. Why are they signed N-S instead of A-B?
Both of these are artifacts of how states originally designated exits. In many states, Interstate-Interstate junctions were unnumbered and N/S E/W were used.
An even earlier iteration of numbering exits in a cloverleaf interchange was to give them two separate numbers. The Merritt Parkway in CT had a few cases of this, with one case remaining, for Rt 34 in Orange (what would have been either E/W or A/B is given two separate numbers).
Back to I-93...
the Everett Tpke predates I-93 in this area, so there originally was no interchange where I-89 comes in.
Exits 15E-15W are also still kicking in Concord, and the Everett Turnpike has a couple including my very favorite, 5E-5W-5A. They even mix and match directional suffixes with "regular" letters!
If you're old enough to remember, 5A is much newer exit that was added within the last 25 years or so.
Who remembers Massachusetts using the N/S, E/W exit suffixes into the 80's?
I remember the E/W suffixes on the standalone section of 128. They were there long past the 1980s.
Quote from: 1 on October 27, 2021, 04:23:48 PM
I remember the E/W suffixes on the standalone section of 128. They were there long past the 1980s.
US 3 Burlington to Tyngsborough exit numbers had the N S E W suffixes until the signs were updated in the late 1990s.
This is probably a minority opinion, although I prefer the directional suffix. It's a secondary connection between direction of travel and distinguishing exit number. I know it doesn't always work.
Still some around in Connecticut too. Exits 48 E&W and 22 N&S on I-91 as well as Exit 68 N-E and W off the Wilbur Cross Pkwy
Quote from: DrSmith on October 28, 2021, 03:46:45 PM
This is probably a minority opinion, although I prefer the directional suffix. It's a secondary connection between direction of travel and distinguishing exit number. I know it doesn't always work.
Still some around in Connecticut too. Exits 48 E&W and 22 N&S on I-91 as well as Exit 68 N-E and W off the Wilbur Cross Pkwy
If it's a minority opinion, the minority's got another member right here.
I prefer A-B because with the directional exit numbers you don't necessarily know if your direction is the first or second exit, but with A-B you know that A is first in the increasing direction and last in the decreasing direction.
Quote from: ran4sh on October 28, 2021, 04:39:56 PM
I prefer A-B because with the directional exit numbers you don't necessarily know if your direction is the first or second exit, but with A-B you know that A is first in the increasing direction and last in the decreasing direction.
In theory, but that's not always the case (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1084049,-77.6116513,3a,49y,249.64h,90.68t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swzWgEQOqPp1B84hmwArOcw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) (the history: NYSDOT Region 4 tends to flip the A/B order when only the decreasing direction has a split exit; in this case, they later split the increasing direction too, and matched the existing numbers).
Quote from: SectorZ on October 27, 2021, 04:09:20 PM
Who remembers Massachusetts using the N/S, E/W exit suffixes into the 80's?
I still remember the "Exit 13S" sign on the Orleans Rotary. Which was weird because the exit was for the *North* MA-28/*West* MA-6A multiplex. :-D
NHDOT has released their 2023-2032 Ten Year Plan (https://www.nh.gov/dot/org/projectdevelopment/planning/typ/documents/2023-2032TYP.pdf). Some projects of interest:
- Conversion of the Everett and Spaulding Turnpikes to AET starting in 2023
- Construction of a new Exit 4A interchange on I-93, about a mile north of Exit 4, in 2022-23
- Construction of a new VT/NH 119 bridge over the Connecticut River, about a half mile south of the existing bridge. I believe construction has already begun.
- Reconstruction of the I-293 interchanges at Exits 6 and 7, but not expected to begin until 2027.
- Widening of the Everett Turnpike between Nashua and I-293 to 6 lanes, beginning in 2023.
- Widening of I-93 through Concord to 6 lanes, anticipated to begin in 2026.
Quote from: SectorZ on October 27, 2021, 04:09:20 PM
Quote from: PurdueBill on October 27, 2021, 10:47:56 AM
Quote from: shadyjay on October 18, 2021, 06:26:39 PM
Quote from: Alps on October 18, 2021, 06:17:42 PM
Quote from: kramie13 on October 18, 2021, 02:35:59 PM
I was in New Hampshire a couple of weeks ago and drove up I-93. I noticed some oddities with the exit numbering:
-Both interchanges for I-293 and I-89 don't have exit numbers. Why?
-There was an "exit 9N" and an "exit 9S" in the Manchester area. Why are they signed N-S instead of A-B?
Both of these are artifacts of how states originally designated exits. In many states, Interstate-Interstate junctions were unnumbered and N/S E/W were used.
An even earlier iteration of numbering exits in a cloverleaf interchange was to give them two separate numbers. The Merritt Parkway in CT had a few cases of this, with one case remaining, for Rt 34 in Orange (what would have been either E/W or A/B is given two separate numbers).
Back to I-93...
the Everett Tpke predates I-93 in this area, so there originally was no interchange where I-89 comes in.
Exits 15E-15W are also still kicking in Concord, and the Everett Turnpike has a couple including my very favorite, 5E-5W-5A. They even mix and match directional suffixes with "regular" letters!
If you're old enough to remember, 5A is much newer exit that was added within the last 25 years or so.
Who remembers Massachusetts using the N/S, E/W exit suffixes into the 80's?
Indeed, 5A being added later suggested that 5E/W was the "real" exit 5, like in NJ on the GSP where they would have something like 100-100A-100B instead of A-B-C or 82-82A instead of A-B because you are supposed to be heading to the shore (the "real" unsuffixed one heads there). :P
It was sad when the ones on MA 128 at 62 and 35 (exits 22W-E and 23N-S formerly) finally went. 20S-N bit the dust so long ago in favor of A-B that it was surprising how long the couple lasted.
If they widen 93 through Concord, mentioned in the 10-year plan, does that put the 15E-W numbering at risk?
Quote from: PurdueBill on October 29, 2021, 08:51:14 PM
It was sad when the ones on MA 128 at 62 and 35 (exits 22W-E and 23N-S formerly) finally went.
That numbering went away when both interchanges were converted from cloverleafs to diamonds. The project was in the planning stages for a long time (largely due to local issues) before it was built, which is why the numbers weren't changed to A-B when 20A-B was.
Quote from: PurdueBill on October 29, 2021, 08:51:14 PM
If they widen 93 through Concord, mentioned in the 10-year plan, does that put the 15E-W numbering at risk?
Yes, and not just because of the MUTCD. One of the options being considered is reconfiguring Exit 15 as a trumpet, with additional nearby roads/ramps replacing what is now 15W.
^ Talking about the options depicted here? http://www.i93bowconcord.com/Documents/Archives/Alternative%20Screening%20Presentation.pdf
I've only just discovered http://www.i93bowconcord.com/ (and skimmed thru the docs there) but it appears most options considered more recently are a variant of
http://www.i93bowconcord.com/Documents/Workshop%206-26-19/Exit%2014_15%20Concept%20F3%202.pdf
http://www.i93bowconcord.com/Documents/Workshop%206-26-19/Exit%2014_15%20Concept%20F3%20with%20Rail%20Relocation%202.pdf
Quote from: yakra on October 30, 2021, 02:34:30 PM
^ Talking about the options depicted here? http://www.i93bowconcord.com/Documents/Archives/Alternative%20Screening%20Presentation.pdf
I've only just discovered http://www.i93bowconcord.com/ (and skimmed thru the docs there) but it appears most options considered more recently are a variant of
http://www.i93bowconcord.com/Documents/Workshop%206-26-19/Exit%2014_15%20Concept%20F3%202.pdf
http://www.i93bowconcord.com/Documents/Workshop%206-26-19/Exit%2014_15%20Concept%20F3%20with%20Rail%20Relocation%202.pdf
Not that it would be surprising, but no mention of exit renumbering in the Ten Year plan?
Quote from: bob7374 on October 30, 2021, 11:10:46 PM
Quote from: yakra on October 30, 2021, 02:34:30 PM
^ Talking about the options depicted here? http://www.i93bowconcord.com/Documents/Archives/Alternative%20Screening%20Presentation.pdf
I've only just discovered http://www.i93bowconcord.com/ (and skimmed thru the docs there) but it appears most options considered more recently are a variant of
http://www.i93bowconcord.com/Documents/Workshop%206-26-19/Exit%2014_15%20Concept%20F3%202.pdf
http://www.i93bowconcord.com/Documents/Workshop%206-26-19/Exit%2014_15%20Concept%20F3%20with%20Rail%20Relocation%202.pdf
Not surprising, no mention of exit renumbering in the Ten Year plan.
Actually, I found the exit renumbering, but it's under a different wording. It states "EXIT SIGN RENUMBERING ALONG TIER 1
HIGHWAYS TO COMPLY WITH MUTCD." with preliminary engineering in 2023 and construction in 2024. The total cost of this project is $926,804.
So, which highways are under the Tier 1 category?
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on October 31, 2021, 02:02:05 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on October 30, 2021, 11:10:46 PM
Quote from: yakra on October 30, 2021, 02:34:30 PM
^ Talking about the options depicted here? http://www.i93bowconcord.com/Documents/Archives/Alternative%20Screening%20Presentation.pdf
I've only just discovered http://www.i93bowconcord.com/ (and skimmed thru the docs there) but it appears most options considered more recently are a variant of
http://www.i93bowconcord.com/Documents/Workshop%206-26-19/Exit%2014_15%20Concept%20F3%202.pdf
http://www.i93bowconcord.com/Documents/Workshop%206-26-19/Exit%2014_15%20Concept%20F3%20with%20Rail%20Relocation%202.pdf
Would not be surprising, but no mention of exit renumbering in the Ten Year plan?
Actually, I found the exit renumbering, but it's under a different wording. It states "EXIT SIGN RENUMBERING ALONG TIER 1
HIGHWAYS TO COMPLY WITH MUTCD." with preliminary engineering in 2023 and construction in 2024. The total cost of this project is $926,804.
So, which highways are under the Tier 1 category?
Tier 1 — Interstates, Turnpikes, and Divided Highways
Interstates, Turnpikes, and NH Route 101 between Bedford and Hampton support the
highest traffic volumes and speeds in the entire state. These multi-lane, divided
highways convey the majority of commuter, tourist, and freight traffic throughout the
state.
Exit renumbering was also in the previous 10 year plan, and was taken out by the NH governor.
https://www.nh.gov/dot/org/projectdevelopment/planning/typ/documents/typ-project-changes-and-updates.pdf
The exit renumbering project on Tier-1 highways has been removed from this 10-year statewide plan (2023-2032). I'm betting that it will show up again on the next plan.
Will New Hampshire have to wait until a new governor is elected in order for the exits to finally be converted from sequential-to-mileage-based?
Governor Sununu is running for a fourth term as governor. As long as he remains in office, the exit numbers aren't changing.
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on January 03, 2022, 05:37:12 PM
Will New Hampshire have to wait until a new governor is elected in order for the exits to finally be converted from sequential-to-mileage-based?
If the feds grow some fortitude he could be forced to.
Quote from: The GhostbusterWill New Hampshire have to wait until a new governor is elected in order for the exits to finally be converted from sequential-to-mileage-based?
Given Sununu's long-stated opposition to changing them, most likely yes...
18 years on next door, the world has not ended, happy to report.
NH needs to get their collective stick outta the mud, join the 21st century, number those unnumbered interchanges, get rid of their alphabet soup, and reap all the other benefits mileage-based exits have to offer.
...and while they're at it, swap I-93 & I-293 to get rid of those TOTSOs and keep I-93 on the main thru movement at either end.
*runs*
Quote from: yakra on January 04, 2022, 01:39:51 AM
18 years on next door, the world has not ended, happy to report.
NH needs to get their collective stick outta the mud, join the 21st century, number those unnumbered interchanges, get rid of their alphabet soup, and reap all the other benefits mileage-based exits have to offer.
At this point, I would accept a compromise along the lines of what VTrans did here (but with more than just a single sign per exit).
Quote...and while they're at it, swap I-93 & I-293 to get rid of those TOTSOs and keep I-93 on the main thru movement at either end.
*runs*
Trading one TOTSO for another? 🙃
New Hampshire needs to get to doing this soon. Their reasons for stalling are no longer an excuse. No more of this "I grew up as an Exit 3 kid" baloney. It still bugs me that there is no Exit 21 on I-93. At least the I-95 renumbering in Rhode Island has a legit reason. Again, as froggie mentioned, they could take the Vermont approach with better signage, but this has gone on long enough IMO. They did it on the Cape they can do it here.
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on January 04, 2022, 09:39:28 AM
New Hampshire needs to get to doing this soon. Their reasons for stalling are no longer an excuse. No more of this "I grew up as an Exit 3 kid" baloney. It still bugs me that there is no Exit 21 on I-93. At least the I-95 renumbering in Rhode Island as a legit reason. Again, as froggie mentioned, they could take the Vermont approach with better signage, but this has gone on long enough IMO. They did it on the Cape they can do it here.
They could also take the "slow roll" approach that Connecticut and New York are applying. Renumber exits only when signs along a given highway are due for replacement. So renumbering will get done...albeit in about 20-30 years.
Going a bit off topic about the exit numbering, but two things that caught my eye in the past few days:
1. The Exit 10 toll of the Everett Turnpike (source (https://www.wmur.com/article/tolls-everett-turnpike-merrimack-new-hampshire-exit-10/38642673)) has been removed as of 1 January 2022, making the Bedford and Hooksett (Mainline and I-93 Exit 11) plazas the only ones remaining on the Everett Turnpike.
2. I don't know if this belongs here or on the Maine thread, but I noticed that on the Piscataqua River Bridge, new lane markings have been applied for the future breakdown lane travel (https://www.buildingabettergateway.com/piscataqua-river-bridge/) coming soon. I don't know if:
- on the New Hampshire side, it starts/ends in the middle of Exit 7 (MM 15.421) or after the Exit 7 NB on-ramp merges in.
- on the Maine side, if it starts at Exit 2 SB and ends at Exit 3 NB.
Quote from: fwydriver405 on January 04, 2022, 10:51:40 AM
Going a bit off topic about the exit numbering, but two things that caught my eye in the past few days:
1. The Exit 10 toll of the Everett Turnpike (source (https://www.wmur.com/article/tolls-everett-turnpike-merrimack-new-hampshire-exit-10/38642673)) has been removed as of 1 January 2022, making the Bedford and Hooksett (Mainline and I-93 Exit 11) plazas the only ones remaining on the Everett Turnpike.
I would imagine Bedford will go soon. It's so trivial to avoid it.
Quote from: fwydriver405 on January 04, 2022, 10:51:40 AM
2. I don't know if this belongs here or on the Maine thread, but I noticed that on the Piscataqua River Bridge, new lane markings have been applied for the future breakdown lane travel (https://www.buildingabettergateway.com/piscataqua-river-bridge/) coming soon. I don't know if:
- on the New Hampshire side, it starts/ends in the middle of Exit 7 (MM 15.421) or after the Exit 7 NB on-ramp merges in.
- on the Maine side, if it starts at Exit 2 SB and ends at Exit 3 NB.
Oh crap. Oh no. Does the bridge ever get that #$*%in' congested? Dude, it's fine. This isn't Massachusetts, and we don't need that mumbo jumbo here. Let the shoulders be shoulders.
I don't think this Transportation System can be called Intelligent.
Quote from: fwydriver405 on January 04, 2022, 10:51:40 AM
2. I don't know if this belongs here or on the Maine thread, but I noticed that on the Piscataqua River Bridge, new lane markings have been applied for the future breakdown lane travel (https://www.buildingabettergateway.com/piscataqua-river-bridge/) coming soon. I don't know if:
- on the New Hampshire side, it starts/ends in the middle of Exit 7 (MM 15.421) or after the Exit 7 NB on-ramp merges in.
- on the Maine side, if it starts at Exit 2 SB and ends at Exit 3 NB.
Looking at the plans, northbound will begin at the Exit 6 offramp, and ends at the Exit 3 offramp. Southbound will begin at the Exit 2 onramp (from the C/D road) and end at the Exit 5 offramp.
Quote from: Alps on January 04, 2022, 11:17:45 AM
I would imagine Bedford will go soon. It's so trivial to avoid it.
I wouldn't be so sure, considering the Bedford plaza's AET conversion (NHDOT project 16100) is fully funded in the current draft 10-year plan for construction in 2023-2024. Then again, this project was initially designed as ORT instead... so who knows.
Quote from: yakra on January 04, 2022, 01:12:19 PM
Oh crap. Oh no. Does the bridge ever get that #$*%in' congested? Dude, it's fine. This isn't Massachusetts, and we don't need that mumbo jumbo here. Let the shoulders be shoulders.
I don't think this Transportation System can be called Intelligent.
Are you kidding? This bridge is often congested on summer weekends, especially southbound!
The shoulder will only be in use during peak hours, which I imagine would only be summer weekends, though it sounds like the technology to open it on-demand as-needed will be in place.
The implementation will be far better than MA's as well, with overhead lane use arrow signals, and warning signs accompanied by flashing lights on onramps. Additionally both ramps at Exit 1 will close as needed to help with traffic flow.
Quote from: yakra on January 04, 2022, 01:39:51 AM
...and while they're at it, swap I-93 & I-293 to get rid of those TOTSOs and keep I-93 on the main thru movement at either end.
*runs*
Not sure what you're referring to when you say "those TOTSOs". There's only one I know of.... I-93 South just past the Hooksett tolls. Northbound its not an issue as I-93 North seemlessly merges onto the Everett before the tolls. I-293, however, you have to TOTSO at NH 101's western end of concurrency. Signing the entire Everett I-89 right down to 128 would solve this.
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on January 04, 2022, 01:49:56 PM
Quote from: Alps on January 04, 2022, 11:17:45 AM
I would imagine Bedford will go soon. It's so trivial to avoid it.
I wouldn't be so sure, considering the Bedford plaza's AET conversion (NHDOT project 16100) is fully funded in the current draft 10-year plan for construction in 2023-2024. Then again, this project was initially designed as ORT instead... so who knows.
Last time I remembered, they were thinking about moving the Bedford tolls further south when Exit 13 opened a few years ago and they were considering converting to ORT, like you mentioned above. Might be a reality given NHDOT is going to be converting its toll facilities to AET in the next few years... but time will tell. Every time I go to Nashua from Maine via the Everett from Manchester, I always use Exit 13 to skip the Bedford tolls...
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on January 04, 2022, 01:49:56 PM
Are you kidding? This bridge is often congested on summer weekends, especially southbound!
The shoulder will only be in use during peak hours, which I imagine would only be summer weekends, though it sounds like the technology to open it on-demand as-needed will be in place.
The implementation will be far better than MA's as well, with overhead lane use arrow signals, and warning signs accompanied by flashing lights on onramps. Additionally both ramps at Exit 1 will close as needed to help with traffic flow.
Would this system be something similar to what NJTA did on Interstate 78 (Newark Bay-Hudson County Extension) when the
Bayonne Bridge Pulaski Skyway was closed (info here (https://www.njta.com/media/4473/2019-04-17-qna-shoulder-lane-nbhce.pdf)), minus the onramp flashing signs? I didn't know that Exit 1's ramps would be closed when breakdown lane travel is in effect.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kfL2GG3rFk
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on January 04, 2022, 01:49:56 PM
Quote from: yakra on January 04, 2022, 01:12:19 PM
Oh crap. Oh no. Does the bridge ever get that #$*%in' congested? Dude, it's fine. This isn't Massachusetts, and we don't need that mumbo jumbo here. Let the shoulders be shoulders.
I don't think this Transportation System can be called Intelligent.
Are you kidding? This bridge is often congested on summer weekends, especially southbound!
This post: not kidding. Traffic may be think & a bit heavy, but I've never experienced so much as a slowdown.
Quote from: yakra on January 04, 2022, 01:39:51 AM
...and while they're at it, swap I-93 & I-293 to get rid of those TOTSOs and keep I-93 on the main thru movement at either end.
*runs*
This post: kidding. A tortuous suggestion to make NH's switcheroo a little more Maine-flavored.
Quote from: shadyjay on January 04, 2022, 05:48:34 PM
Not sure what you're referring to when you say "those TOTSOs". There's only one I know of.... I-93 South just past the Hooksett tolls. Northbound its not an issue as I-93 North seemlessly merges onto the Everett before the tolls. I-293, however, you have to TOTSO at NH 101's western end of concurrency. Signing the entire Everett I-89 right down to 128 would solve this.
The other one being the NB high-speed left exit with plenty of lanes approaching the 101 overlap.
Quote from: yakra on January 04, 2022, 11:19:38 PM
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on January 04, 2022, 01:49:56 PM
Quote from: yakra on January 04, 2022, 01:12:19 PM
Oh crap. Oh no. Does the bridge ever get that #$*%in' congested? Dude, it's fine. This isn't Massachusetts, and we don't need that mumbo jumbo here. Let the shoulders be shoulders.
I don't think this Transportation System can be called Intelligent.
Are you kidding? This bridge is often congested on summer weekends, especially southbound!
This post: not kidding. Traffic may be think & a bit heavy, but I've never experienced so much as a slowdown.
Coming from ME Route 236, the max I've ever had to wait was 5-10 minutes to cross the bridge, but on a really busy summer Sunday, it can take upwards 40-50 minutes starting from MM8 to NH I-95 Exit 7. I've never really experienced much of a slowdown heading north to Maine ever, even on a busy Friday or Saturday...
Quote from: shadyjay on January 04, 2022, 05:48:34 PM
Quote from: yakra on January 04, 2022, 01:39:51 AM
...and while they're at it, swap I-93 & I-293 to get rid of those TOTSOs and keep I-93 on the main thru movement at either end.
*runs*
Not sure what you're referring to when you say "those TOTSOs". There's only one I know of.... I-93 South just past the Hooksett tolls. Northbound its not an issue as I-93 North seemlessly merges onto the Everett before the tolls. I-293, however, you have to TOTSO at NH 101's western end of concurrency. Signing the entire Everett I-89 right down to 128 would solve this.
Another TOTSO exists at the Everett Turnpike / NH Route 101 / Interstate 293 interchange in southwestern Manchester... to stay on Interstate 293 in either direction, one must exit the mainline and use ramps onto another freeway. 293 north uses the ramp to the Everett Turnpike North, and 293 south uses the ramp to 101 east.
^ LOL this is true. Thought of that, but since I was just pooposting, I decided to only focus on the ones at the ends. :D
Quote from: yakra on January 04, 2022, 11:19:38 PM
This post: not kidding. Traffic may be think & a bit heavy, but I've never experienced so much as a slowdown.
You must not ever try to drive across the Piscataqua southbound on a summer Sunday then. In my experience it is quite commonly backed up as far as Exit 7 / York. Even looking at Google's typical traffic data the slowdown for much of the early afternoon on Sundays extends from the bridge to about the new toll plaza.
Quote from: fwydriver405 on January 04, 2022, 10:54:52 PM
Last time I remembered, they were thinking about moving the Bedford tolls further south when Exit 13 opened a few years ago and they were considering converting to ORT, like you mentioned above. Might be a reality given NHDOT is going to be converting its toll facilities to AET in the next few years... but time will tell. Every time I go to Nashua from Maine via the Everett from Manchester, I always use Exit 13 to skip the Bedford tolls...
There was a study about 10 years ago that you can still find on the Turnpike website that looked at a variety of toll options, including relocating the Bedford toll down to Merrimack (along with tolling the airport connector and adding a mainline toll at Exit 1 in Nashua!), but if I recall correctly the state opted not to act on that study because every scenario resulted in a loss of system-wide revenue or an unacceptable number of vehicles diverting off the turnpike.
My commute actually takes me onto the FEET at Exit 13, and every day I'm surprised by how few people I see shunpiking there. Only takes 3 minutes, but since the toll is only $0.70 for NH tags, I guess there isn't much benefit to it.
Quote from: fwydriver405 on January 04, 2022, 10:54:52 PM
Would this system be something similar to what NJTA did on Interstate 78 (Newark Bay-Hudson County Extension) when the Bayonne Bridge Pulaski Skyway was closed (info here (https://www.njta.com/media/4473/2019-04-17-qna-shoulder-lane-nbhce.pdf)), minus the onramp flashing signs? I didn't know that Exit 1's ramps would be closed when breakdown lane travel is in effect.
Yes, the signage will be very similar. Main difference is that this installation will include blank out "NO STOPPING" signs alongside the lane use arrows. And yeah, I haven't seen anything in any news coverage about the Exit 1 closure, but the plans include a gate across the southbound onramp, an "EXIT 1 CLOSED WHEN FLASHING USE EXIT 2" sign northbound, and even a whole array of "TO 95 SOUTH DETOUR WHEN FLASHING" signs on surrounding streets.
The Piscataqua River Bridge is honestly fine the way it is. The only thing that needs to happen is to remove the York toll plaza, but that is more suited for the "Maine" thread.
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on January 05, 2022, 10:32:33 AM
The Piscataqua River Bridge is honestly fine the way it is. The only thing that needs to happen is to remove the York toll plaza, but that is more suited for the "Maine" thread.
The bridge is definitely not fine the way it is. The bridge is already over capacity at peak times, and this is a creative way to squeeze more capacity out of the structure without replacing it. You folks also need to keep in mind that the shoulder running is being added in conjunction with a structural rehab that will extend the life of the now 50-year-old bridge, which was selected over replacing it. After this investment, it will be many years before the states consider replacement again, during which time traffic volumes will likely only continue to grow. Will you still think traffic over the bridge is fine in 10 years?
Also the new York toll plaza went live September 15th, 2021. It's been a few weeks now since I last drove through but they had been making pretty quick work of demolishing the old one.
The occasional summer/holiday weekend slowdown is IMO not enough to warrant capacity change or dropping a shoulder. If there were recurring weekday congestion, that would be another matter, but it's only certain weekends in this case.
I think we'll find out next summer that the York toll plaza project will help to improve the situation on I-95 over the Pisacataqua.
Maine is in a unique position since there is essentially only one road in, one road out (being I-95). Sure, there's Rt 1 and a whole host of other roads from Dover north that cross the border, but the main access is I-95. At least for NH, you can come in from Mass. via the Everett, I-93, or I-95. On summer weekends, you do have 4 lanes of I-95 backed up through the seacoast (also spilling onto US 1 causing delays there too). Its a combination of all routes from key tourist destinations all merging into the same route (Maine Turnpike and the Spaulding from the lakes/mtns, all coming into I-95). Luckily NH Tpkes had the foresight to 8-lane I-95 when they did.
Quote from: froggie on January 05, 2022, 11:14:25 AM
The occasional summer/holiday weekend slowdown is IMO not enough to warrant capacity change or dropping a shoulder. If there were recurring weekday congestion, that would be another matter, but it's only certain weekends in this case.
I leave it up to Maine and NH to agree on what constitutes congestion. It's not NYC levels of congestion but that is an unfair standard to apply. If the two agencies feel relief is needed, then I trust them.
Quote from: Alps on January 05, 2022, 05:59:12 PM
Quote from: froggie on January 05, 2022, 11:14:25 AM
The occasional summer/holiday weekend slowdown is IMO not enough to warrant capacity change or dropping a shoulder. If there were recurring weekday congestion, that would be another matter, but it's only certain weekends in this case.
I leave it up to Maine and NH to agree on what constitutes congestion. It's not NYC levels of congestion but that is an unfair standard to apply. If the two agencies feel relief is needed, then I trust them.
As someone who has seen it up close and personal, it can be hours of delays between the MA/NH border and southern Maine. However, I am unsure if this additional capacity is going to improve things much. I presume they've modeled the data and it shows possible improvement.
Quote from: fwydriver405 on December 30, 2020, 10:28:38 PM
ANOTHER new APL with only one control city, this time at the exit. Exit 4 on I-93 NB.
(https://i.ibb.co/qF2WhTx/Screenshot-2020-12-30-at-22-26-34.png) (https://ibb.co/n8Kn4xR)
Quote from: roadman on January 06, 2021, 11:34:32 PM
And why was Derry omitted from the Route 102 information, especially as Derry and Londonderry are both noted on the advance signs? As one who's had family, friends, and business dealings in Derry for the past 45 years, I can assure you it is a more significant destination than Londonderry is.
Got an update about that sign... as I drove thru that area from Salem to Manchester last Saturday. NHDOT appears to have squeezed "Derry" under where "Londonderry" is on the APL sign heading NB. Unfortunately I was unable to grab a picture nor do I know when NHDOT finally decided to re-add "Derry" to the gore APL sign.
On an related (minor) note... I have noticed that NHDOT is moving away from using LGSes for multiplexes, like this example at the southern terminus to I-93 N/NH 101 W (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9621424,-71.4149453,3a,22.2y,42.71h,87.28t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAH6eFnUe7BYP4kx2vb4ElA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656), to using individual standalone shields and cardinal direction banners to sign the route multiplexes on their most recent sign replacements. Interestingly, at the same time, Maine on some of their route sign replacements on the arterial and secondary roads, are doing the reverse on some sign replacements by using LGSes (https://i.ibb.co/N7ph5nZ/IMG-8505.jpg) to replace previously standalone shield assemblies starting in 2017...
Quote from: fwydriver405 on June 28, 2022, 10:25:49 PM
Quote from: fwydriver405 on December 30, 2020, 10:28:38 PM
ANOTHER new APL with only one control city, this time at the exit. Exit 4 on I-93 NB.
(https://i.ibb.co/qF2WhTx/Screenshot-2020-12-30-at-22-26-34.png) (https://ibb.co/n8Kn4xR)
Quote from: roadman on January 06, 2021, 11:34:32 PM
And why was Derry omitted from the Route 102 information, especially as Derry and Londonderry are both noted on the advance signs? As one who's had family, friends, and business dealings in Derry for the past 45 years, I can assure you it is a more significant destination than Londonderry is.
Got an update about that sign... as I drove thru that area from Salem to Manchester last Saturday. NHDOT appears to have squeezed "Derry" under where "Londonderry" is on the APL sign heading NB. Unfortunately I was unable to grab a picture nor do I know when NHDOT finally decided to re-add "Derry" to the gore APL sign.
On an related (minor) note... I have noticed that NHDOT is moving away from using LGSes for multiplexes, like this example at the southern terminus to I-93 N/NH 101 W (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9621424,-71.4149453,3a,22.2y,42.71h,87.28t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAH6eFnUe7BYP4kx2vb4ElA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656), to using individual standalone shields and cardinal direction banners to sign the route multiplexes on their most recent sign replacements. Interestingly, at the same time, Maine on some of their route sign replacements on the arterial and secondary roads, are doing the reverse on some sign replacements by using LGSes (https://i.ibb.co/N7ph5nZ/IMG-8505.jpg) to replace previously standalone shield assemblies starting in 2017...
would love to see photos of the NH standalones
While I don't have any current new assemblies from Rockingham, Strafford or Hillsborough Counties... I do have a few in Coos County in Gorham from my last VT trip below.
South end of US 2/NH 16 multiplex reassurance (old (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.388136,-71.1733056,3a,37.7y,331.22h,83.05t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s6E4i29eIwFBoiMkr065WhA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656), new (https://i.ibb.co/1mtt23P/Screenshot-2022-06-28-at-23-38-11.png))
North end of US 2/NH 16 multiplex split (old (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.3963783,-71.194205,3a,15y,16.89h,84.56t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shHvuy9Z-vy3XFDkjIhMVQQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656), new (https://i.ibb.co/dGwRNkj/Screenshot-2022-06-28-at-23-41-07.png))
North end of US 2/NH 16 multiplex on mast arm (old (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.3980225,-71.1950204,3a,15.2y,323.98h,91.89t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sVeNmc0y4qFD2mqlyqDpb3w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656), new (https://i.ibb.co/r2JR54d/Screenshot-2022-06-28-at-23-42-03.png))
If I can find anymore... I'll update this post. The ones were replaced were on Woodbury Ave when the Spaulding Turnpike got widened, a few around the Manchester area, and a few other places I'm not sure about.
Quote from: fwydriver405 on June 28, 2022, 11:58:10 PM
While I don't have any current new assemblies from Rockingham, Strafford or Hillsborough Counties... I do have a few in Coos County in Gorham from my last VT trip below.
South end of US 2/NH 16 multiplex reassurance (old (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.388136,-71.1733056,3a,37.7y,331.22h,83.05t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s6E4i29eIwFBoiMkr065WhA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656), new (https://i.ibb.co/1mtt23P/Screenshot-2022-06-28-at-23-38-11.png))
North end of US 2/NH 16 multiplex split (old (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.3963783,-71.194205,3a,15y,16.89h,84.56t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shHvuy9Z-vy3XFDkjIhMVQQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656), new (https://i.ibb.co/dGwRNkj/Screenshot-2022-06-28-at-23-41-07.png))
North end of US 2/NH 16 multiplex on mast arm (old (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.3980225,-71.1950204,3a,15.2y,323.98h,91.89t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sVeNmc0y4qFD2mqlyqDpb3w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656), new (https://i.ibb.co/r2JR54d/Screenshot-2022-06-28-at-23-42-03.png))
If I can find anymore... I'll update this post. The ones were replaced were on Woodbury Ave when the Spaulding Turnpike got widened, a few around the Manchester area, and a few other places I'm not sure about.
The one on the mast arm is unusual. I don't dislike it but it's definitely not standard practice.
The 1909 Automobile Blue Book (https://books.google.com/books?id=CCo4AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA607) notes that "Automobiles not allowed on the new State Road on south side of Ammonoosuc River, extending from just west of Fabyans to about one mile beyond the White Mountain House." Anyone know what this was? The current alignment around Lower Falls Road/Trail was not built until about 1980, and I'm not seeing anything else obvious. Maybe the scar here (https://www.historicaerials.com/location/44.268005789760906/-71.47297620851812/1955/17) and just north of the river here (https://www.historicaerials.com/location/44.264786636471094/-71.49334026163969/1955/17)?
(Late to the topic, but.........) Now that Massachusetts and Rhode Island have fully converted their highway exit numbers to from sequential to mileage-based numbers, will New Hampshire be next?
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on December 08, 2022, 06:37:43 AM
(Late to the topic, but.........) Now that Massachusetts and Rhode Island have fully converted their highway exit numbers to from sequential to mileage-based numbers, will New Hampshire be next?
Probably not until Chris Sununu leaves the governors office as he's been very anti-exit renumbering, using the "I grew up as an Exit 3 kid" excuse. But New Hampshire really needs to get the exits renumbered. No excuses.
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on December 08, 2022, 07:52:23 AM
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on December 08, 2022, 06:37:43 AM
(Late to the topic, but.........) Now that Massachusetts and Rhode Island have fully converted their highway exit numbers to from sequential to mileage-based numbers, will New Hampshire be next?
Probably not until Chris Sununu leaves the governors office as he's been very anti-exit renumbering, using the "I grew up as an Exit 3 kid" excuse. But New Hampshire really needs to get the exits renumbered. No excuses.
I was hoping he would figure it out with the plans to build exit 4A on 93, but for some reason it didn't sink in. I've been wanting them to do it so they could number exits without them as well.
There's no guarantee that Governor Sequential's (my nickname for Sununu) successor will be any less anti-exit renumbering than Sequential is. By the way, did New Hampshire request FHWA grant them a wavier to retain their sequential exit numbers, or did Sununu simply say New Hampshire will not convert to mileage-based exit numbers and leave it at that?
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on December 09, 2022, 06:42:46 PM
There's no guarantee that Governor Sequential's (my nickname for Sununu) successor will be any less anti-exit renumbering than Sequential is. By the way, did New Hampshire request FHWA grant them a wavier to Reagan their sequential exit numbers, or did Sununu simply say New Hampshire will not convert to mileage-based exit numbers and leave it at that?
I haven't read anything about the matter since 2019, when Sununu was mentioning he didn't want the state to pay the $1M out of pocket for the change, among other less-tangible complaints.
Is I-93 the only freeway in the state that's maximum speed limit is posted at 70 mph?
I'm pretty sure there are sections of I-89 that are as well.
New Hampshire needs to raise its speed limits to 70 on at least I-89 and NH 101. I don't know about I-95. Might be too busy to make that work.
New Hampshire is the one New England state you'd think where 70 would be the default speed limit on the rural parts of 89 and 93 and perhaps other highways.
The state law that allowed 70 only allowed it on 93 north of Concord. 89 is much more hilly and curvy than 93 and that played a factor in why it wasn't included.
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on March 27, 2023, 10:09:32 PM
New Hampshire needs to raise its speed limits to 70 on at least I-89 and NH 101. I don't know about I-95. Might be too busy to make that work.
I-95 could totally work at 70. If Utah can post 70 on urban Salt Lake City freeways, every single rural freeway should be 70 unless it is a very substandard freeway like I-70 south of Breezwood.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 28, 2023, 12:50:21 PM
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on March 27, 2023, 10:09:32 PM
New Hampshire needs to raise its speed limits to 70 on at least I-89 and NH 101. I don't know about I-95. Might be too busy to make that work.
I-95 could totally work at 70. If Utah can post 70 on urban Salt Lake City freeways, every single rural freeway should be 70 unless it is a very substandard freeway like I-70 south of Breezwood.
95 and much of 101 could be bumped to 70. In fact, 95 could be 70 MPH from Peabody MA up to where it becomes 70 in Maine.
89 is probably better off staying at 65. That road is just a much different freeway than the others. The state even patrols 89 much heavier than they do 93 because of the problems speed can get the inexperienced into on it.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 28, 2023, 12:50:21 PM
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on March 27, 2023, 10:09:32 PM
New Hampshire needs to raise its speed limits to 70 on at least I-89 and NH 101. I don't know about I-95. Might be too busy to make that work.
I-95 could totally work at 70. If Utah can post 70 on urban Salt Lake City freeways, every single rural freeway should be 70 unless it is a very substandard freeway like I-70 south of Breezwood.
Pennsylvania even posts 70 on the 276 part of the Turnpike. I mention I-95 because it does get fairly busy on summer weekends due to Maine bound traffic, but then again, so does I-93 north of Concord.
Maybe you should lobby the state legislature to bump the speed limit up to 70 and see if Govenor Sequential goes along with that.
Quote from: SectorZ on March 28, 2023, 01:16:03 PM
95 and much of 101 could be bumped to 70. In fact, 95 could be 70 MPH from Peabody MA up to where it becomes 70 in Maine.
I wouldn't make the section from Portsmouth to Kittery 70 MPH... there's a good deal of traffic, left exits, a pretty descent curve where I-95 NB leaves the turnpike, etc.
Something about 70 in urban areas in southern New England and the seacoast just seems wrong to me... I bet the average speed on I-95 north of Peabody is touching 80 as it is. I-295 from Falmouth to Brunswick ME was briefly raised to 70, then they realized it was too much and dropped it back to 65.
Quote from: shadyjay on March 28, 2023, 05:25:26 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on March 28, 2023, 01:16:03 PM
95 and much of 101 could be bumped to 70. In fact, 95 could be 70 MPH from Peabody MA up to where it becomes 70 in Maine.
I wouldn't make the section from Portsmouth to Kittery 70 MPH... there's a good deal of traffic, left exits, a pretty descent curve where I-95 NB leaves the turnpike, etc.
Something about 70 in urban areas in southern New England and the seacoast just seems wrong to me... I bet the average speed on I-95 north of Peabody is touching 80 as it is. I-295 from Falmouth to Brunswick ME was briefly raised to 70, then they realized it was too much and dropped it back to 65.
I meant to exclude that stretch and neglected to bring it up. Yeah that can stay at its current 55.
Quote from: SectorZ on March 28, 2023, 07:28:16 PM
Quote from: shadyjay on March 28, 2023, 05:25:26 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on March 28, 2023, 01:16:03 PM
95 and much of 101 could be bumped to 70. In fact, 95 could be 70 MPH from Peabody MA up to where it becomes 70 in Maine.
I wouldn't make the section from Portsmouth to Kittery 70 MPH... there's a good deal of traffic, left exits, a pretty descent curve where I-95 NB leaves the turnpike, etc.
Something about 70 in urban areas in southern New England and the seacoast just seems wrong to me... I bet the average speed on I-95 north of Peabody is touching 80 as it is. I-295 from Falmouth to Brunswick ME was briefly raised to 70, then they realized it was too much and dropped it back to 65.
I meant to exclude that stretch and neglected to bring it up. Yeah that can stay at its current 55.
Unrelated, but it's also worth noting that MaineDOT (and possibly MTA as well, since part of it runs on their road past I-95 MM 0.37) scaled back the 65 MPH (105 km/h) speed limit to 55 MPH (89 km/h) from the NH/ME border to the Exit 2 on-ramp SB, and Exit 1 off-ramp NB. Only found that out en route to a game v. UNH on 22 Feb 2023 that this change was in effect.
Also just recently in the past two weeks, the foundations for breakdown lane travel (mast arms, lane use signs, sign supports, some VMS?) have also started appearing on I-95 in both states as well.
Quote from: froggie on March 28, 2023, 08:33:11 AM
The state law that allowed 70 only allowed it on 93 north of Concord. 89 is much more hilly and curvy than 93 and that played a factor in why it wasn't included.
Rural portions of I-89 in NH (and VT) could definitely handle 70 MPH. A few hilly/curvy sections might not be able to handle it.
I'm not so sure about I-95 along the Seacoast.
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on March 28, 2023, 01:27:21 PM
Pennsylvania even posts 70 on the 276 part of the Turnpike. I mention I-95 because it does get fairly busy on summer weekends due to Maine bound traffic, but then again, so does I-93 north of Concord.
The ENTIRE PA Turnpike system is posted at 70 except in construction zones. There are definitely curvy/hilly parts that can't handle 70. The I-276 portion isn't one of them.
^ Well, not quite the entire (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9570334,-78.8468253,3a,49y,95.59h,87.9t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sv3eZfw-tkbjN1VpW8QuiSw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) system (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.1282438,-74.9340773,3a,19.9y,95.8h,87.7t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sWhrquSDVFcSSwLwHzSQHnQ!2e0!5s20221101T000000!7i16384!8i8192). But I don't recall any of the 70 portions feeling uncomfortable with my cruise set at 75.
Quote from: tckma on April 03, 2023, 09:57:21 AM
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on March 28, 2023, 01:27:21 PM
Pennsylvania even posts 70 on the 276 part of the Turnpike. I mention I-95 because it does get fairly busy on summer weekends due to Maine bound traffic, but then again, so does I-93 north of Concord.
The ENTIRE PA Turnpike system is posted at 70 except in construction zones. There are definitely curvy/hilly parts that can't handle 70. The I-276 portion isn't one of them.
It's still 55 between the Delaware River Bridge and the Bensalem Interchange and then goes up to 70. I imagine if they ever finish all the 95 interchange upgrades it will go up to 70 in that section, but who knows when that will be.
Check out what New Hampshire wanted as part of the 1968 Interstate system extensions. And for their greed, they got nothing
Vermont OTOH was humble and requested no new interstate miles.
(https://i.imgur.com/fYyPA6K.png)
H/T: http://www.gribblenation.org/2023/02/1968-federal-highway-act-state.html
^ If you read more carefully, this was the Congressional testimony from meetings held in 1968, prior to passage of the legislation that expanded the Interstate system by 1500 miles. After the legislation passed, Vermont did submit two requests in coordination with NY and NH.
Quote from: kernals12 on April 18, 2023, 11:46:31 PM
Check out what New Hampshire wanted as part of the 1968 Interstate system extensions. And for their greed, they got nothing
Vermont OTOH was humble and requested no new interstate miles.
(https://i.imgur.com/fYyPA6K.png)
H/T: http://www.gribblenation.org/2023/02/1968-federal-highway-act-state.html
Surprising to learn a interstate idea along US-3 up to the Connecticut Lakes and the Quebec border. But still, that corridor might have better worked as an Appalachian corridor and but at West Stewartstown, it should have gone along VT-114 to reach QC-147 or QC-141 to reach Coaticook and Sherbrooke.
Governor Chris Sununu is not planning to run for a fifth term: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/sununu-not-leaning-towards-running-for-governor-again/ar-AA1cEkcb?ocid=BingHp01&cvid=2625b961c70b49a4c6b18e896eaba403&ei=71. Maybe that means New Hampshire will finally get mileage-based exits. Time will tell.
Posting from the Maine thread - saw this from a MaineDOT press release on the 11th of September:
Quote from: fwydriver405 on September 13, 2023, 09:17:24 AM
Looks like MaineDOT and NHDOT is testing the part time breakdown lane travel, or as they call it "dynamic part-time shoulder use (PTSU)" nightly starting on 14 September 2023 on the Piscataqua River Bridge.
MaineDOT Press Release (https://www.maine.gov/tools/whatsnew/index.php?topic=DOT_Press_Releases&id=11844227&v=article2015) / NHDOT Press Release (https://www.dot.nh.gov/news-and-media/dynamic-part-time-shoulder-use-system-testing-i-95-portsmouth-and-kittery) / Maine Turnpike Authority Press Release (https://www.maineturnpike.com/News/Recent-News/Dynamic-Part-Time-Shoulder-Use-System-Testing-on-I.aspx) (all three have the same text)
Informational flyer from MaineDOT / NHDOT / Maine Turnpike Authority (https://www.dot.nh.gov/sites/g/files/ehbemt811/files/inline-documents/hlb-ptsu-fact-sheet.pdf)
Quote from: MaineDOT - News Release for September 11, 2023Dynamic Part-Time Shoulder Use System Testing on I-95 in Portsmouth and Kittery
KITTERY - This week, the New Hampshire Department of Transportation (NHDOT), in partnership with the Maine Department of Transportation (MaineDOT) and the Maine Turnpike Authority (MTA), will begin testing the messaging components for the new dynamic part-time shoulder use (PTSU) system that was recently installed on I-95 between Portsmouth, New Hampshire and Kittery, Maine. This system was developed to help relieve congestion during peak traffic times on the I-95 Piscataqua River Bridge between the two states. Testing is scheduled to begin at night on Thursday, September 14th.
Nighttime shoulder closures, both northbound and southbound, will occur intermittently over the next several weeks for final system testing. Motorists will see the system's messaging components (beacons and lane use signals) turn on and off at various times during the testing. Message boards will be utilized to alert travelers that tests are being performed. The shoulder lanes will remain closed to through traffic and should only be used for emergencies. A final press release will announce the date the system will become operational for motorists.
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on June 16, 2023, 08:12:15 PM
Governor Chris Sununu is not planning to run for a fifth term: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/sununu-not-leaning-towards-running-for-governor-again/ar-AA1cEkcb?ocid=BingHp01&cvid=2625b961c70b49a4c6b18e896eaba403&ei=71. Maybe that means New Hampshire will finally get mileage-based exits. Time will tell.
It probably depends on who ends up winning.........
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on June 16, 2023, 08:12:15 PM
Governor Chris Sununu is not planning to run for a fifth term: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/sununu-not-leaning-towards-running-for-governor-again/ar-AA1cEkcb?ocid=BingHp01&cvid=2625b961c70b49a4c6b18e896eaba403&ei=71. Maybe that means New Hampshire will finally get mileage-based exits. Time will tell.
You can almost guarantee that at least one candidate will make part of their platform to continue to oppose mileage based exit numbers since that turned into an actual political winner for him. Perhaps both candidates will.
Quote from: storm2k on September 14, 2023, 03:36:42 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on June 16, 2023, 08:12:15 PM
Governor Chris Sununu is not planning to run for a fifth term: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/sununu-not-leaning-towards-running-for-governor-again/ar-AA1cEkcb?ocid=BingHp01&cvid=2625b961c70b49a4c6b18e896eaba403&ei=71. Maybe that means New Hampshire will finally get mileage-based exits. Time will tell.
You can almost guarantee that at least one candidate will make part of their platform to continue to oppose mileage based exit numbers since that turned into an actual political winner for him. Perhaps both candidates will.
https://mm.nh.gov/files/uploads/dot/remote-docs/ten-year-plan-2025-2034-complete-book-gacit.pdf
Found the EXIT SIGN RENUMBERING ALONG TIER 1 HIGHWAYS TO COMPLY WITH MUTCD on the most recent ten-year plan from NHDOT (2025-2034)... Will it happen? Who knows, but if it gets approved by the governor (highly unlikely), don't expect the exit numbers to change until 2029.
Preliminary Engineering 2027 122,667 Federal-Aid Highway
Construction 2029 1,187,214 Federal-Aid Highway
Live Free or Die
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on September 14, 2023, 07:30:24 PM
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on September 14, 2023, 06:52:39 PM
Live Sequential or Die
FTFY
Good one, although I was referring to the state's general ethos that I suspect is one of the reasons for resistance to the federal mandate.
Quote from: storm2k on September 14, 2023, 03:36:42 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on June 16, 2023, 08:12:15 PM
Governor Chris Sununu is not planning to run for a fifth term: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/sununu-not-leaning-towards-running-for-governor-again/ar-AA1cEkcb?ocid=BingHp01&cvid=2625b961c70b49a4c6b18e896eaba403&ei=71. Maybe that means New Hampshire will finally get mileage-based exits. Time will tell.
You can almost guarantee that at least one candidate will make part of their platform to continue to oppose mileage based exit numbers since that turned into an actual political winner for him. Perhaps both candidates will.
People actually cared about that beyond the "exit 3 kid"? Oh dear. And to think I thought that getting rid of him would allow the state to finally move forward with converting the numbers.
Quote from: vdeane on September 15, 2023, 12:43:35 PM
Quote from: storm2k on September 14, 2023, 03:36:42 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on June 16, 2023, 08:12:15 PM
Governor Chris Sununu is not planning to run for a fifth term: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/sununu-not-leaning-towards-running-for-governor-again/ar-AA1cEkcb?ocid=BingHp01&cvid=2625b961c70b49a4c6b18e896eaba403&ei=71. Maybe that means New Hampshire will finally get mileage-based exits. Time will tell.
You can almost guarantee that at least one candidate will make part of their platform to continue to oppose mileage based exit numbers since that turned into an actual political winner for him. Perhaps both candidates will.
People actually cared about that beyond the "exit 3 kid"? Oh dear. And to think I thought that getting rid of him would allow the state to finally move forward with converting the numbers.
I lived in NH for a long time. Most people wouldn't care or even notice, but some are
really set in their ways.
Quote from: vdeane on September 15, 2023, 12:43:35 PM
Quote from: storm2k on September 14, 2023, 03:36:42 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on June 16, 2023, 08:12:15 PM
Governor Chris Sununu is not planning to run for a fifth term: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/sununu-not-leaning-towards-running-for-governor-again/ar-AA1cEkcb?ocid=BingHp01&cvid=2625b961c70b49a4c6b18e896eaba403&ei=71. Maybe that means New Hampshire will finally get mileage-based exits. Time will tell.
You can almost guarantee that at least one candidate will make part of their platform to continue to oppose mileage based exit numbers since that turned into an actual political winner for him. Perhaps both candidates will.
People actually cared about that beyond the "exit 3 kid"? Oh dear. And to think I thought that getting rid of him would allow the state to finally move forward with converting the numbers.
Loon Mt, a ski area on NH 112 off I-93, has "Exit 32" bumper stickers. I believe people have them as well for the Kancamagus Highway.
Of course, in the change, it becomes exit 100, and they could probably make an even more ridiculous bumper sticker with that.
Quote from: SectorZ on September 15, 2023, 05:07:45 PM
Quote from: vdeane on September 15, 2023, 12:43:35 PM
Quote from: storm2k on September 14, 2023, 03:36:42 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on June 16, 2023, 08:12:15 PM
Governor Chris Sununu is not planning to run for a fifth term: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/sununu-not-leaning-towards-running-for-governor-again/ar-AA1cEkcb?ocid=BingHp01&cvid=2625b961c70b49a4c6b18e896eaba403&ei=71. Maybe that means New Hampshire will finally get mileage-based exits. Time will tell.
You can almost guarantee that at least one candidate will make part of their platform to continue to oppose mileage based exit numbers since that turned into an actual political winner for him. Perhaps both candidates will.
People actually cared about that beyond the "exit 3 kid"? Oh dear. And to think I thought that getting rid of him would allow the state to finally move forward with converting the numbers.
Loon Mt, a ski area on NH 112 off I-93, has "Exit 32" bumper stickers. I believe people have them as well for the Kancamagus Highway.
Of course, in the change, it becomes exit 100, and they could probably make an even more ridiculous bumper sticker with that.
They'd get them confused with Route 100 stickers from Vermont.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on September 15, 2023, 05:16:21 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on September 15, 2023, 05:07:45 PM
Quote from: vdeane on September 15, 2023, 12:43:35 PM
Quote from: storm2k on September 14, 2023, 03:36:42 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on June 16, 2023, 08:12:15 PM
Governor Chris Sununu is not planning to run for a fifth term: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/sununu-not-leaning-towards-running-for-governor-again/ar-AA1cEkcb?ocid=BingHp01&cvid=2625b961c70b49a4c6b18e896eaba403&ei=71. Maybe that means New Hampshire will finally get mileage-based exits. Time will tell.
You can almost guarantee that at least one candidate will make part of their platform to continue to oppose mileage based exit numbers since that turned into an actual political winner for him. Perhaps both candidates will.
People actually cared about that beyond the "exit 3 kid"? Oh dear. And to think I thought that getting rid of him would allow the state to finally move forward with converting the numbers.
Loon Mt, a ski area on NH 112 off I-93, has "Exit 32" bumper stickers. I believe people have them as well for the Kancamagus Highway.
Of course, in the change, it becomes exit 100, and they could probably make an even more ridiculous bumper sticker with that.
They'd get them confused with Route 100 stickers from Vermont.
Doubtful. And as someone who works within a stone's throw of VT 100, they aren't all that prevalent to begin with...
Quote from: froggie on September 16, 2023, 03:29:14 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on September 15, 2023, 05:16:21 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on September 15, 2023, 05:07:45 PM
Quote from: vdeane on September 15, 2023, 12:43:35 PM
Quote from: storm2k on September 14, 2023, 03:36:42 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on June 16, 2023, 08:12:15 PM
Governor Chris Sununu is not planning to run for a fifth term: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/sununu-not-leaning-towards-running-for-governor-again/ar-AA1cEkcb?ocid=BingHp01&cvid=2625b961c70b49a4c6b18e896eaba403&ei=71. Maybe that means New Hampshire will finally get mileage-based exits. Time will tell.
You can almost guarantee that at least one candidate will make part of their platform to continue to oppose mileage based exit numbers since that turned into an actual political winner for him. Perhaps both candidates will.
People actually cared about that beyond the "exit 3 kid"? Oh dear. And to think I thought that getting rid of him would allow the state to finally move forward with converting the numbers.
Loon Mt, a ski area on NH 112 off I-93, has "Exit 32" bumper stickers. I believe people have them as well for the Kancamagus Highway.
Of course, in the change, it becomes exit 100, and they could probably make an even more ridiculous bumper sticker with that.
They'd get them confused with Route 100 stickers from Vermont.
Doubtful. And as someone who works within a stone's throw of VT 100, they aren't all that prevalent to begin with...
I don't even know if I've seen one before. The Exit 32 stickers are fairly common by comparison.
Quote from: SectorZ on September 16, 2023, 04:00:44 PM
Quote from: froggie on September 16, 2023, 03:29:14 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on September 15, 2023, 05:16:21 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on September 15, 2023, 05:07:45 PM
Quote from: vdeane on September 15, 2023, 12:43:35 PM
Quote from: storm2k on September 14, 2023, 03:36:42 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on June 16, 2023, 08:12:15 PM
Governor Chris Sununu is not planning to run for a fifth term: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/sununu-not-leaning-towards-running-for-governor-again/ar-AA1cEkcb?ocid=BingHp01&cvid=2625b961c70b49a4c6b18e896eaba403&ei=71. Maybe that means New Hampshire will finally get mileage-based exits. Time will tell.
You can almost guarantee that at least one candidate will make part of their platform to continue to oppose mileage based exit numbers since that turned into an actual political winner for him. Perhaps both candidates will.
People actually cared about that beyond the "exit 3 kid"? Oh dear. And to think I thought that getting rid of him would allow the state to finally move forward with converting the numbers.
Loon Mt, a ski area on NH 112 off I-93, has "Exit 32" bumper stickers. I believe people have them as well for the Kancamagus Highway.
Of course, in the change, it becomes exit 100, and they could probably make an even more ridiculous bumper sticker with that.
They'd get them confused with Route 100 stickers from Vermont.
Doubtful. And as someone who works within a stone's throw of VT 100, they aren't all that prevalent to begin with...
I don't even know if I've seen one before. The Exit 32 stickers are fairly common by comparison.
Pfft. They're common...just not in VT itself. Try bougie MA and CT.
A plan to replace the Gen. Sullivan Bridge is on hold after bids came in over double what was expected.
https://www.fosters.com/story/news/local/2023/10/05/gen-sullivan-bridge-replacement-hold-82m-bid-doubles-estimate/71031150007/
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on October 05, 2023, 10:04:31 AM
A plan to replace the Gen. Sullivan Bridge is on hold after bids came in over double what was expected.
https://www.fosters.com/story/news/local/2023/10/05/gen-sullivan-bridge-replacement-hold-82m-bid-doubles-estimate/71031150007/
Rehab, please. (I know it's in pretty bad condition tho)
The Spaulding Turnpike bridges over the Piscataqua River have other names as well. Such as: Little Bay Bridge, Capt. John F. Rowe Bridge (northbound span), and Ruth L. Griffin Bridge (southbound span).
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on October 05, 2023, 03:08:02 PM
The Spaulding Turnpike bridges over the Piscataqua River have other names as well. Such as: Little Bay Bridge, Capt. John F. Rowe Bridge (northbound span), and Ruth L. Griffin Bridge (southbound span).
The Spaulding Turnpike never crosses the Piscataqua River, as far as I can tell.
Well, the turnpike definitely crosses some body of water between exits 4 and 5: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1200281,-70.827547,1214m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu.
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on October 05, 2023, 03:21:54 PM
Well, the turnpike definitely crosses some body of water between exits 4 and 5: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1200281,-70.827547,1214m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu.
The Ballamy and Piscataqua Rivers meet near there and it's a little hazy what name to give to that exact point. I would say most people in that area would call it "Little Bay" (hence, "Little Bay Bridge") or even "Great Bay". And most locals call the whole group of bridges "the Sullivan Bridge". No one ever uses the Rowe or Griffin names.
Quote from: Alps on October 05, 2023, 01:45:00 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on October 05, 2023, 10:04:31 AM
A plan to replace the Gen. Sullivan Bridge is on hold after bids came in over double what was expected.
https://www.fosters.com/story/news/local/2023/10/05/gen-sullivan-bridge-replacement-hold-82m-bid-doubles-estimate/71031150007/
Rehab, please. (I know it's in pretty bad condition tho)
I would love to see a rehab but there's no way. That bridge isn't even safe to walk on anymore.
Quote from: DRMan on October 05, 2023, 04:04:13 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on October 05, 2023, 03:21:54 PM
Well, the turnpike definitely crosses some body of water between exits 4 and 5: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1200281,-70.827547,1214m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu.
The Ballamy and Piscataqua Rivers meet near there and it's a little hazy what name to give to that exact point. I would say most people in that area would call it "Little Bay" (hence, "Little Bay Bridge") or even "Great Bay". And most locals call the whole group of bridges "the Sullivan Bridge". No one ever uses the Rowe or Griffin names.
Ghostbuster is going off Google Maps, which erroneously labels that water as part of the Piscataqua River. By geographic definition, the bridges cross Little Bay.
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on October 05, 2023, 10:04:31 AM
A plan to replace the Gen. Sullivan Bridge is on hold after bids came in over double what was expected.
https://www.fosters.com/story/news/local/2023/10/05/gen-sullivan-bridge-replacement-hold-82m-bid-doubles-estimate/71031150007/
This will likely make the bike/ped trail on the full bridge permanent. Now if they would only pave the entirety of the southern approach that would be nice.
I noticed there are a lot of old signs in Hudson saying NH 102 goes into Nashua, but 102 itself has a modern End 102 sign at NH 111. What was the historic NH 102 routing thru Nashua?
Guess what project did not get approved by the governor in the most recent 10-year plan (2025-2034)? :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Not Approved by GACIT
Statewide 40915 Remove Tier 1 Roadways, Exit sign renumbering (Interstates and divided highways) - Do not include
That was totally predictable as Governor Sequential (Sununu) has opposed renumbering the exits from sequential-to-mileage-based since it was first proposed in 2019. Since Sununu will not seek a fifth term, there is a small chance the exit renumbering plan will be approved by the next governor of New Hampshire. I am sure the DOT will continue to post the exit renumbering proposal in each 10-year plan until it finally gets approved, if it ever does.
Didn't see this posted...
QuoteLONDONDERRY, N.H. —
The northbound lanes of Interstate 93 in Londonderry will be closed for 4 nights while new steel girders are set on the new Exit 4A bridge, New Hampshire DOT said.
The New Hampshire Department of Transportation said starting Monday, Dec. 18 at 7 p.m., traffic will be rerouted through the new northbound ramps and re-enter onto I-93.
https://www.wmur.com/article/i-93-northbound-londonderry-new-hampshire-closures/46153265 (https://www.wmur.com/article/i-93-northbound-londonderry-new-hampshire-closures/46153265)
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on December 19, 2023, 05:56:41 PM
That was totally predictable as Governor Sequential (Sununu) has opposed renumbering the exits from sequential-to-mileage-based since it was first proposed in 2019. Since Sununu will not seek a fifth term, there is a small chance the exit renumbering plan will be approved by the next governor of New Hampshire. I am sure the DOT will continue to post the exit renumbering proposal in each 10-year plan until it finally gets approved, if it ever does.
Live Free or Die.
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on December 24, 2023, 06:44:15 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on December 19, 2023, 05:56:41 PM
That was totally predictable as Governor Sequential (Sununu) has opposed renumbering the exits from sequential-to-mileage-based since it was first proposed in 2019. Since Sununu will not seek a fifth term, there is a small chance the exit renumbering plan will be approved by the next governor of New Hampshire. I am sure the DOT will continue to post the exit renumbering proposal in each 10-year plan until it finally gets approved, if it ever does.
Live Free or Die.
Apparently NHDOT isn't free to choose their own method of exit numbering.
Looks like they're replacing mile markers along NH 101...
https://www.dot.nh.gov/news-and-media/road-work-route-101-manchester-hampton
Anyone with boots on the ground who can see if the new mile markers will be correct, or not? They currently begin with "100" at I-93 outside Manchester, some 40 miles over reality.
Press release also states the project also included I-89, I-93, I-293, and I-393. I'm guessing this was also mile marker replacement on those routes.
Will the new mile marker signs have the same numbers as the old mile marker signs? The new mile marker signs should be based on the distance from NH 101's western terminus at NH 9/NH 10/NH 12 in Keene.
Quote from: shadyjay on March 31, 2024, 09:12:02 PMLooks like they're replacing mile markers along NH 101...
https://www.dot.nh.gov/news-and-media/road-work-route-101-manchester-hampton
Anyone with boots on the ground who can see if the new mile markers will be correct, or not? They currently begin with "100" at I-93 outside Manchester, some 40 miles over reality.
Press release also states the project also included I-89, I-93, I-293, and I-393. I'm guessing this was also mile marker replacement on those routes.
Next time I am up there I will keep an eye out. I'm likelier to ride over it on a bike then drive on it anytime soon.
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on April 01, 2024, 08:36:47 AMWill the new mile marker signs have the same numbers as the old mile marker signs? The new mile marker signs should be based on the distance from NH 101's western terminus at NH 9/NH 10/NH 12 in Keene.
That is what I'm wondering. The present mile markers start at the I-93/NH 101 interchange, with the first mile marker being 100, and counting up as you go east. That's some 40 miles above what they should be. No idea why it was done that way. And no idea if the new mile markers will represent the correct mileage, or not.
Quote from: shadyjay on April 01, 2024, 05:35:25 PMQuote from: The Ghostbuster on April 01, 2024, 08:36:47 AMWill the new mile marker signs have the same numbers as the old mile marker signs? The new mile marker signs should be based on the distance from NH 101's western terminus at NH 9/NH 10/NH 12 in Keene.
That is what I'm wondering. The present mile markers start at the I-93/NH 101 interchange, with the first mile marker being 100, and counting up as you go east. That's some 40 miles above what they should be. No idea why it was done that way. And no idea if the new mile markers will represent the correct mileage, or not.
Probably done that way to distinguish the mostly-freeway segment east of I-93 from the mostly 2-lane segment west of I-293.