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[rte66man]

Well Duncan is gonna grow west because it can't grow past the Lawton-Duncan-Marlow Y.  The school district of Marlow starts right after Plato Road yet it's inside the city limits of Duncan.

Huh??

The southern border for Marlow Public Schools has always been Gatlin Road, not Plato Road, a difference of 3 miles.

[rte66man]

Because before the Walmart was built where it is now they tried to build it other places but rich people like Goodner would buy the land so they couldn't build there.

Build where?  Walmart got a great deal to build where they did.  I knew the family that owned that land. Also, what makes you think the Goodner family has that kind of power?  I was born in Duncan and have lived there on and off since the 60's.  My Dad worked for Halliburton for most of his adult life and had the type of connections that meant he knew what was happening during the time Walmart moved from Plato and 81 to their current location.

Duncan wants to expand but also needs to plan for the future because rich people may not like it or not it will grow bigger and the only way to grow outside of west to SH 65 is south to Refinery road. 

Once Elk was opened up between Country Club and 5th Street, the NE side of town also became a good candidate for expansion.  When Cotton Hills was built in the 60's, it flopped because it was difficult to get to directly from the west side of the tracks. Elder was the only real option.

[jturpen]

Do you remember used to have a Kroger's as Goodner's along with Judge Sherrill which was Tommy's lawyer helped push them out of town which we also had a K-Bobs next door.  Also do you remember Jones's who was partners with Tommy at one time and then became the Market Basket and then Mark Jones sold it to move to Edmond and work for another chain.  Duncan also once had a Split-Rail restaurant as Tommy Goodner, Fallis Beall, Larry Battison, along with others did their work to stop the Walmart Supercenter even if Bobby Richardson was still alive we wouldn't have had CVS Pharmacy where it is now.  Even Tom McCasland, Earl P Halliburton, and other people have stopped business for coming to Duncan for years.  I am not calling out conspiracy here just giving facts as Leo King pushed the envelope when they finally decided to the Walmart Supercenter where presently resides which was Whitten Insurance that helped push the Walmart there.  I was at the city meeting for that as Tommy lost his Buy for Less in Lawton as Fleming foods moved to Dallas, Texas and would never go north of the red river again from their OKC location and well now if you didn't know Tommy now deceased along with Judge George Sherrill and Bobby Richardson. 

Enough on that the point I am making is Duncan has a future and there are those who oppose to see Duncan grow and expand unless they benefit.  We can't have a Road House mentality like that if we want see the SW part of Oklahoma grow.  We need to look to all things now that Duncan says they want to grow while using their airport as a place to draw in other industry for the future because rather Halliburton stays or leaves which they have been contemplating for years.  Elk Avenue across the field which behind my house was planned for years but they made my parents mad in the process since she now lives in Norman, Oklahoma.  The new Nursing home they are building Elks Crossing for Jack Gregston who I grew up with.  Duncan needs to stop dwelling in their past and start looking to bring a bright future.

[rte66man]

Bumping....

I finally had a chance to travel back to Duncan and got to drive the recently completed southern extension. All photos taken March 18.


Southbound bypass just past Bois d'ARc


Eastbound


This is a strange sign


Northbound US81 just north of Terry Road


Northbound US81 showing the revised access to Cherokee Road


While it is correct to show taking the extension to get to West OK7, someone not familiar with the area would be confused as there are no reassurance signs for 10 miles.

[txstateends]

While it is correct to show taking the extension to get to West OK7, someone not familiar with the area would be confused as there are no reassurance signs for 10 miles.

Is it just me, or should the TO OK 7 posts have been placed sooner, or alongside the BGS?  Having them where they are obscures the BGS unnecessarily IMO.

[rte66man]

While it is correct to show taking the extension to get to West OK7, someone not familiar with the area would be confused as there are no reassurance signs for 10 miles.

Is it just me, or should the TO OK 7 posts have been placed sooner, or alongside the BGS?  Having them where they are obscures the BGS unnecessarily IMO.

Agreed. I was using a zoom set at 70mm so there is little distance compression in the photo. District 7 makes some very odd signage choices.

[Plutonic Panda]

This corridor will receive a slight upgrade with a grade separation conversion at Elk Road.

ODOT proposes to construct an overpass and interchange at Duncan Bypass and Elk Avenue, with Duncan Bypass elevated over Elk Avenue. Constructing an interchange on an offset alignment will offer improvements to accommodate future traffic growth and enhanced safety, and offer a straight roadway between Elk and Beech avenues. The existing Duncan Bypass and Elk Avenue will remain open during construction and access to residences and businesses will be maintained.

- https://www.duncanbypass.com/information/project-history

[Plutonic Panda]

I’m happy to see more grade separations. The entire thing through the city needs to be a fully controlled access facility. At some point ODOT should work with Texas to get US-81 a full freeway to US-287 even if initially built as a super two. It’d increase accessibility to DFW for the SW region of Oklahoma.

[Bobby5280]

The Elk Avenue project should be easy to complete. They've already had the ROW secure. In Google Earth you can literally see the ROW outline that makes room for a future diamond shaped exit. The same goes for Plato Road, Camelback Road and Osage Road. The intersection at Boren Blvd is an odd one. It looks almost like they carved out enough space for a couple of flyover ramps or something.

I'd like to know if the Northern extension of the Duncan bypass back into US-81 is a dead affair or just kind of hanging in limbo for the time being. I know ODOT was working on plans for the Duncan Bypass to dovetail back into US-81 South of Marlow. But I guess progress just kind of got suspended.

Regarding larger plans for US-81, I don't think it's nearly an important enough to justify upgrading into a freeway. I think just making a regular 4-lane route with limited access bypasses in key towns is going to be good enough.

[Stephane Dumas]

Seems then Google maps jumped the gun and referred the Duncan bypass as OK-7. https://www.google.com/maps/@34.5603367,-97.9738619,14z

And speaking of larger plans for US-81, is the Chikasha bypass proposal is still on their plans?

[Bobby5280]

As far as I can tell the Chickasha Bypass is still in the works. I don't know the time-table when construction is supposed to start. But they've already done years worth of EIS and public meetings. I just don't know if the bypass has reached the Record of Decision phase for shovels to start breaking ground.

Whatever the plans may be, ODOT and OTA had better get to work on it soon. Chickasha is threatening to turn into an exhurb of OKC. If ODOT and OTA screw around too long they'll wake up and find out a bunch of housing developments going up all across the ROW they should have reserved by now.

[Plutonic Panda]

I believe the Chickasha bypass was broken into phases. My memory could be off but they hundreds of millions dedicated for it and had applied for a federal grant. They didn’t get selected for the grant money the last couple times they applied and I thought they were going to break ground on the entire thing in 2021 or 2022.

Now they’re going build out a super two in some areas and break it into multiple phases. My memory could be off but that’s where I believe the project stands.

[Bobby5280]

Even if they have to build the Chickasha Bypass in phases, like what has been going on with the Duncan Bypass, it will still be a good plan. The critical thing is getting the ROW reserved. Once that land is locked-in ODOT will be able to eventually piece together a 4-lane divided Interstate quality bypass.

[Plutonic Panda]

^^^^ agreed and I think that’s what they’re aiming for. Hopefully we see more of this. Similar to the senator filing a bill to preserve ROW for a future Kickapoo turnpike north to I 35

[rte66man]

I believe the Chickasha bypass was broken into phases. My memory could be off but they hundreds of millions dedicated for it and had applied for a federal grant. They didn’t get selected for the grant money the last couple times they applied and I thought they were going to break ground on the entire thing in 2021 or 2022.

Now they’re going build out a super two in some areas and break it into multiple phases. My memory could be off but that’s where I believe the project stands.

Most recent Federal grant application:
https://oklahoma.gov/odot/progress-and-performance/federal-grant-awards/infra-grants/2021-grady-county-us-81-realignment.html
https://oklahoma.gov/odot/progress-and-performance/federal-grant-awards/infra-grants/us-81-realignment-hntb.html

And, yes, part of it will be a Super-2: 
https://oklahoma.gov/odot/programs-and-projects/public-meetings-and-hearings/20170323.html

They are making the junction with US62 an at-grade intersection. Not sure if they are buying the ROW for future expansion. 

[Plutonic Panda]

Yeah they said they’ll preserve ROW and upgrade it accordingly. For awhile I was under the assumption it would all be built out at once. Not sure where I got that idea from.

[Bobby5280]

They are making the junction with US62 an at-grade intersection. Not sure if they are buying the ROW for future expansion.

ROW is already preserved for a future diamond interchange with US-62. At least it is on the North side of the intersection. There is a pretty big gap of green space off to the right of the US-81 turn going North off US-62.

[Plutonic Panda]

The Duncan bypass will soon be resurfaced 

an estimated $4 million resurfacing of the Duncan Bypass in Stephens County

- https://oklahoma.gov/odot/citizen/newsroom/2023/april-commission-meeting-scheduled-for-monday--april-3.html

[Bobby5280]

I'm not surprised they're planning a resurfacing project. The Duncan Bypass is already over 20 years old. Oklahoma has a lot of unstable red clay soil.

Going back in time when they first completed the current Super-2 configuration I figured the thing would be four-lane divided by the time we got into the 2020's.