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Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana

Started by mukade, June 25, 2011, 08:55:31 AM

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jnewkirk77

It's needed; that stretch has gotten pretty rough in places.

Now, I don't remember if they went through with it, but when that stretch of 69 went in, INDOT had planned that to be built with a thinner surface, and it could be built up later as needed. One of then-Gov. Daniels' cost-saving ideas.


ITB

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Quote from: jnewkirk77 on January 24, 2025, 09:22:29 PMIt's needed; that stretch has gotten pretty rough in places.

Now, I don't remember if they went through with it, but when that stretch of 69 went in, INDOT had planned that to be built with a thinner surface, and it could be built up later as needed. One of then-Gov. Daniels' cost-saving ideas.

That stretch of asphalt pavement is now 12 years old. Typically, an asphalt surface course lasts about 10 years, so it's time.

As for the "thinner" road proposal, yes, it was given a cursory look, but was never taken seriously. To move forward with construction on the first three sections of new terrain I-69, and on a budget of $700 million, there were a lot suggestions put forward by engineers and others to save money. Bear in mind, it wasn't a slam dunk that the road would be built, particularly if financial issues arose.

Here's an interesting read detailing how engineers at the Lochmuller Group proposed and implemented suggestions to save money on Package 5 of Section 1.

Soil conditions in certain parts of Section 1, and I believe, as well, Section 2, were less than ideal. This is mentioned in the account above, in which "silty soils between CR 350S and SR 64" had to be mitigated. I remember, as well, that a heavy dead weight was dropped repeatedly on a small area to induce settlement. How well these measures have worked is still not yet fully known. To be sure, INDOT and its engineers know to some extent. It's possible that with the passage of time, there may have to be a full depth reconstruction of the roadway in certain spots. It will depend on how the road continues to hold up. But that's probably 10 or 15 years off, if not more.


silverback1065

I was about to say how I was surprised at how soon this was being done, but I didn't realize how old this section of 69 is already! man time flies!  :-o

seicer

Is the asphalt overlay only on the asphalt sections or the concrete sections or both?

silverback1065

Quote from: seicer on January 29, 2025, 09:40:32 AMIs the asphalt overlay only on the asphalt sections or the concrete sections or both?

I would assume asphalt only. INDOT doesn't tend to resurface concrete with asphalt.

ITB

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Quote from: silverback1065 on January 29, 2025, 10:06:22 AM
Quote from: seicer on January 29, 2025, 09:40:32 AMIs the asphalt overlay only on the asphalt sections or the concrete sections or both?

I would assume asphalt only. INDOT doesn't tend to resurface concrete with asphalt.

Although I haven't taken a look at the contract, it seems the work to be performed is simply the replacement of the surface asphalt. It probably won't be an overlay, though that is possible. They'll likely mill off about 2 inches, then put down a fresh, new surface asphalt course.

More details:

The contract's scope encompasses not only I-69 in Gibson and Pike counties, but also I-64 in Gibson, Vanderburgh, and Warrick counties. On I-64, an HMA overlay — that's what the engineers term it, even though the old surface course of asphalt will be milled off — will be put down from 0.5 miles east of US 41 to 0.41 miles east of I-69. Of interest, 2 inches of asphalt will be milled off I-64, while only 1.5 inches will be removed on I-69.

silverback1065

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the resigning of 465 has begun to add 69 to every exit and mainline they overlap. I saw new signs going up at US 52 yesterday. Control cities of Evansville and FT Wayne have been added.

The Ghostbuster

Obviously, the Interstate 69 markers above the existing signs were only temporary. It's good that there is finally a completed Interstate 69 throughout Indiana (save the yet-to-be-constructed Ohio River Bridge).

ITB


In Morgan and Monroe counties, to facilitate signage installation, lanes closures on I-69 are planned to begin Tuesday, February 11 and continue into early June, weather permitting. That's four months of temporary lane closures. Hmm. Because I'm unfamiliar with the work to be undertaken, I'm unable to comment on it. Does anyone have additional information about this project?

Read more about the planned lane closures here.

seicer

I have no idea. Four months is a lot of time for sign installation. Still, it's about on par with INDOT around Indianapolis, which has been replacing gantries (some aging, some only a few years old) to accommodate new signs for the addition of Interstate 69. Pouring footers should not require barriers and long-term lane closures when they are outside of the shoulder and behind existing guardrails. Some of these barriers on some Interstate 465 ramps have been up for over a half-year for these incredibly slow installations.

I've noted ODOT and KYTC do entire sign and gantry replacements with only periodic lane closures in weeks.

ITB

Quote from: seicer on February 05, 2025, 12:10:12 PMI have no idea. Four months is a lot of time for sign installation. Still, it's about on par with INDOT around Indianapolis, which has been replacing gantries (some aging, some only a few years old) to accommodate new signs for the addition of Interstate 69. Pouring footers should not require barriers and long-term lane closures when they are outside of the shoulder and behind existing guardrails. Some of these barriers on some Interstate 465 ramps have been up for over a half-year for these incredibly slow installations.

I've noted ODOT and KYTC do entire sign and gantry replacements with only periodic lane closures in weeks.

The only thing I can think of that explains the four month time frame is if they're going to upgrade or replace the electrical conduits for the signage and mast lighting. That would involve a lot of digging near the road, necessitating the lane closures. The contractor is Hummel Electric so it's a possibility.

hobsini2

Quote from: ITB on February 05, 2025, 02:50:35 PM
Quote from: seicer on February 05, 2025, 12:10:12 PMI have no idea. Four months is a lot of time for sign installation. Still, it's about on par with INDOT around Indianapolis, which has been replacing gantries (some aging, some only a few years old) to accommodate new signs for the addition of Interstate 69. Pouring footers should not require barriers and long-term lane closures when they are outside of the shoulder and behind existing guardrails. Some of these barriers on some Interstate 465 ramps have been up for over a half-year for these incredibly slow installations.

I've noted ODOT and KYTC do entire sign and gantry replacements with only periodic lane closures in weeks.

The only thing I can think of that explains the four month time frame is if they're going to upgrade or replace the electrical conduits for the signage and mast lighting. That would involve a lot of digging near the road, necessitating the lane closures. The contractor is Hummel Electric so it's a possibility.

Are they using lighting on the sign gantries? When I drove through there last weekend, it looked like the high reflective grade was being used so there wouldn't be a need for lighting on the gantries. So I am puzzled with the need for electrical work on a gantry. Unless I am completely missing something here.
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Quote from: hobsini2 on February 05, 2025, 07:26:06 PM
Quote from: ITB on February 05, 2025, 02:50:35 PM
Quote from: seicer on February 05, 2025, 12:10:12 PMI have no idea. Four months is a lot of time for sign installation. Still, it's about on par with INDOT around Indianapolis, which has been replacing gantries (some aging, some only a few years old) to accommodate new signs for the addition of Interstate 69. Pouring footers should not require barriers and long-term lane closures when they are outside of the shoulder and behind existing guardrails. Some of these barriers on some Interstate 465 ramps have been up for over a half-year for these incredibly slow installations.

I've noted ODOT and KYTC do entire sign and gantry replacements with only periodic lane closures in weeks.

The only thing I can think of that explains the four month time frame is if they're going to upgrade or replace the electrical conduits for the signage and mast lighting. That would involve a lot of digging near the road, necessitating the lane closures. The contractor is Hummel Electric so it's a possibility.

Are they using lighting on the sign gantries? When I drove through there last weekend, it looked like the high reflective grade was being used so there wouldn't be a need for lighting on the gantries. So I am puzzled with the need for electrical work on a gantry. Unless I am completely missing something here.

If I remember correctly, they are installing lighting at interchanges south of Bloomington to exit 22 (with the exception of exit 87)... This is also happening on US 31 around Kokomo.
-Jay Seaburg

ITB

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Quote from: hobsini2 on February 05, 2025, 07:26:06 PM
Quote from: ITB on February 05, 2025, 02:50:35 PM
Quote from: seicer on February 05, 2025, 12:10:12 PMI have no idea. Four months is a lot of time for sign installation. Still, it's about on par with INDOT around Indianapolis, which has been replacing gantries (some aging, some only a few years old) to accommodate new signs for the addition of Interstate 69. Pouring footers should not require barriers and long-term lane closures when they are outside of the shoulder and behind existing guardrails. Some of these barriers on some Interstate 465 ramps have been up for over a half-year for these incredibly slow installations.

I've noted ODOT and KYTC do entire sign and gantry replacements with only periodic lane closures in weeks.

The only thing I can think of that explains the four month time frame is if they're going to upgrade or replace the electrical conduits for the signage and mast lighting. That would involve a lot of digging near the road, necessitating the lane closures. The contractor is Hummel Electric so it's a possibility.

Are they using lighting on the sign gantries? When I drove through there last weekend, it looked like the high reflective grade was being used so there wouldn't be a need for lighting on the gantries. So I am puzzled with the need for electrical work on a gantry. Unless I am completely missing something here.

After some research, it appears the signage project involves installing Dynamic Message Signs (DMS) and traffic cameras. Because work will be undertaken at separate locations in Monroe and Morgan counties, it points to a minimum of two signs installed. Despite a in-depth search, I couldn't find the contract for the project nor any additional details. As such, it's not possible to say exactly where the signs will be placed nor how many there will be in total.

silverback1065

Quote from: ITB on February 05, 2025, 10:10:08 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on February 05, 2025, 07:26:06 PM
Quote from: ITB on February 05, 2025, 02:50:35 PM
Quote from: seicer on February 05, 2025, 12:10:12 PMI have no idea. Four months is a lot of time for sign installation. Still, it's about on par with INDOT around Indianapolis, which has been replacing gantries (some aging, some only a few years old) to accommodate new signs for the addition of Interstate 69. Pouring footers should not require barriers and long-term lane closures when they are outside of the shoulder and behind existing guardrails. Some of these barriers on some Interstate 465 ramps have been up for over a half-year for these incredibly slow installations.

I've noted ODOT and KYTC do entire sign and gantry replacements with only periodic lane closures in weeks.

The only thing I can think of that explains the four month time frame is if they're going to upgrade or replace the electrical conduits for the signage and mast lighting. That would involve a lot of digging near the road, necessitating the lane closures. The contractor is Hummel Electric so it's a possibility.

Are they using lighting on the sign gantries? When I drove through there last weekend, it looked like the high reflective grade was being used so there wouldn't be a need for lighting on the gantries. So I am puzzled with the need for electrical work on a gantry. Unless I am completely missing something here.

After some research, it appears the signage project involves installing Dynamic Message Signs (DMS) and traffic cameras. Because work will be undertaken at separate locations in Monroe and Morgan counties, it points to a minimum of two signs installed. Despite a in-depth search, I couldn't find the contract for the project nor any additional details. As such, it's not possible to say exactly where the signs will be placed nor how many there will be in total.


if that's the case I bet the delay is the conduit for the DMS signs.



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