Phoenix Area Highways

[Roadgeekteen]

It's official, the 101 widening is complete.

I have a question for you kernals. What is with you and your obsession with Phoenix? You've posted so many unanimously hated Phoenix posts on reddit.

I was curious so I went and checked the Post History and...Oh my...not sure I've ever seen such a torrentially "downvoted" account...

If I'm torrentially downvoted, how did I get 473,000 Karma?

Tucson people, I suspect.   

Go to any sub on reddit that follows infrastructure and you're sure to have any post about car/road based infrastructure shown you'll have a small army of posters saying how this freeway should be rail, or America needs to build more rail, or fuck cars. It's typical and the reason I stopped following sub/infrastructureporn. I don't fault Kernals for that. He is farting in the wind promoting or showing highways on that platform. Bunch of nuts over there.

He can get highly upvoted highway posts but he also denies climate change so...

[Roadgeekteen]

It's official, the 101 widening is complete.

I have a question for you kernals. What is with you and your obsession with Phoenix? You've posted so many unanimously hated Phoenix posts on reddit.

I was curious so I went and checked the Post History and...Oh my...not sure I've ever seen such a torrentially "downvoted" account...

If I'm torrentially downvoted, how did I get 473,000 Karma?

Tucson people, I suspect.   

Go to any sub on reddit that follows infrastructure and you're sure to have any post about car/road based infrastructure shown you'll have a small army of posters saying how this freeway should be rail, or America needs to build more rail, or fuck cars. It's typical and the reason I stopped following sub/infrastructureporn. I don't fault Kernals for that. He is farting in the wind promoting or showing highways on that platform. Bunch of nuts over there.

Reddit is famous for drawing New Urbanism and NUMTOT types.

Yeah I've figured that out lol. What is NUMTOT?

New Urban Memes for Transit Oriented Teens.  Basically one of the most detestable groups people (emphasis my opinion) on the internet in modern times.  Basically their stance is "f#^% roads and cars."

I wouldn't discredit new urbanism quite that quickly. They are quite naive and don't really think about what they are suggesting actually working but they do have some good ideas that we can think about.

[ztonyg]

It's official, the 101 widening is complete.

I have a question for you kernals. What is with you and your obsession with Phoenix? You've posted so many unanimously hated Phoenix posts on reddit.

I was curious so I went and checked the Post History and...Oh my...not sure I've ever seen such a torrentially "downvoted" account...

If I'm torrentially downvoted, how did I get 473,000 Karma?

Tucson people, I suspect.   

Go to any sub on reddit that follows infrastructure and you're sure to have any post about car/road based infrastructure shown you'll have a small army of posters saying how this freeway should be rail, or America needs to build more rail, or fuck cars. It's typical and the reason I stopped following sub/infrastructureporn. I don't fault Kernals for that. He is farting in the wind promoting or showing highways on that platform. Bunch of nuts over there.

Reddit is famous for drawing New Urbanism and NUMTOT types.

Yeah I've figured that out lol. What is NUMTOT?

New Urban Memes for Transit Oriented Teens.  Basically one of the most detestable groups people (emphasis my opinion) on the internet in modern times.  Basically their stance is "f#^% roads and cars."

I wouldn't discredit new urbanism quite that quickly. They are quite naive and don't really think about what they are suggesting actually working but they do have some good ideas that we can think about.

I agree. Some of the ideas actually make some sense but the problem is some of them paint every situation with a broad brush.

[Max Rockatansky]

It's official, the 101 widening is complete.

I have a question for you kernals. What is with you and your obsession with Phoenix? You've posted so many unanimously hated Phoenix posts on reddit.

I was curious so I went and checked the Post History and...Oh my...not sure I've ever seen such a torrentially "downvoted" account...

If I'm torrentially downvoted, how did I get 473,000 Karma?

Tucson people, I suspect.   

Go to any sub on reddit that follows infrastructure and you're sure to have any post about car/road based infrastructure shown you'll have a small army of posters saying how this freeway should be rail, or America needs to build more rail, or fuck cars. It's typical and the reason I stopped following sub/infrastructureporn. I don't fault Kernals for that. He is farting in the wind promoting or showing highways on that platform. Bunch of nuts over there.

Reddit is famous for drawing New Urbanism and NUMTOT types.

Yeah I've figured that out lol. What is NUMTOT?

New Urban Memes for Transit Oriented Teens.  Basically one of the most detestable groups people (emphasis my opinion) on the internet in modern times.  Basically their stance is "f#^% roads and cars."

I wouldn't discredit new urbanism quite that quickly. They are quite naive and don't really think about what they are suggesting actually working but they do have some good ideas that we can think about.

I agree. Some of the ideas actually make some sense but the problem is some of them paint every situation with a broad brush.

To be clear, I'm not dismissive of all Urbanist ideas out of hand.  What gets me is the only hostile attitude most Urbanist and NUMTOT groups hold towards anyone who doesn't fully adhere to their views.  Their entire tact is a one size fits all view on transportation and forcing that view on others who don't want it.  I'm not a fan of extremism and one size fits all mindsets, which includes transportation. 

[Plutonic Panda]

^^^ Yeah that is my issue as well. I actually quite like some of the new urbanism developments I've seen. I wouldn't mind seeing more of them connected to a transit network. But when they start trying to neglect roads and reduce funding for them that is where I get sour.

[Plutonic Panda]

It's official, the 101 widening is complete.

I have a question for you kernals. What is with you and your obsession with Phoenix? You've posted so many unanimously hated Phoenix posts on reddit.

I was curious so I went and checked the Post History and...Oh my...not sure I've ever seen such a torrentially "downvoted" account...

If I'm torrentially downvoted, how did I get 473,000 Karma?

Tucson people, I suspect.   

Go to any sub on reddit that follows infrastructure and you're sure to have any post about car/road based infrastructure shown you'll have a small army of posters saying how this freeway should be rail, or America needs to build more rail, or fuck cars. It's typical and the reason I stopped following sub/infrastructureporn. I don't fault Kernals for that. He is farting in the wind promoting or showing highways on that platform. Bunch of nuts over there.

He can get highly upvoted highway posts but he also denies climate change so...

Where did he deny climate change?

[Max Rockatansky]

It's official, the 101 widening is complete.

I have a question for you kernals. What is with you and your obsession with Phoenix? You've posted so many unanimously hated Phoenix posts on reddit.

I was curious so I went and checked the Post History and...Oh my...not sure I've ever seen such a torrentially "downvoted" account...

If I'm torrentially downvoted, how did I get 473,000 Karma?

Tucson people, I suspect.   

Go to any sub on reddit that follows infrastructure and you're sure to have any post about car/road based infrastructure shown you'll have a small army of posters saying how this freeway should be rail, or America needs to build more rail, or fuck cars. It's typical and the reason I stopped following sub/infrastructureporn. I don't fault Kernals for that. He is farting in the wind promoting or showing highways on that platform. Bunch of nuts over there.

He can get highly upvoted highway posts but he also denies climate change so...

Where did he deny climate change?

Wasn't there a whole thing where he advocated global warming?  I know he did that here and he was serious about it.

[Roadgeekteen]

It's official, the 101 widening is complete.

I have a question for you kernals. What is with you and your obsession with Phoenix? You've posted so many unanimously hated Phoenix posts on reddit.

I was curious so I went and checked the Post History and...Oh my...not sure I've ever seen such a torrentially "downvoted" account...

If I'm torrentially downvoted, how did I get 473,000 Karma?

Tucson people, I suspect.   

Go to any sub on reddit that follows infrastructure and you're sure to have any post about car/road based infrastructure shown you'll have a small army of posters saying how this freeway should be rail, or America needs to build more rail, or fuck cars. It's typical and the reason I stopped following sub/infrastructureporn. I don't fault Kernals for that. He is farting in the wind promoting or showing highways on that platform. Bunch of nuts over there.

He can get highly upvoted highway posts but he also denies climate change so...

Where did he deny climate change?

Wasn't there a whole thing where he advocated global warming?  I know he did that here and he was serious about it.

It's in a locked thread on the weather board

[SectorZ]

It's official, the 101 widening is complete.

I have a question for you kernals. What is with you and your obsession with Phoenix? You've posted so many unanimously hated Phoenix posts on reddit.

I was curious so I went and checked the Post History and...Oh my...not sure I've ever seen such a torrentially "downvoted" account...

If I'm torrentially downvoted, how did I get 473,000 Karma?

Tucson people, I suspect.   

Go to any sub on reddit that follows infrastructure and you're sure to have any post about car/road based infrastructure shown you'll have a small army of posters saying how this freeway should be rail, or America needs to build more rail, or fuck cars. It's typical and the reason I stopped following sub/infrastructureporn. I don't fault Kernals for that. He is farting in the wind promoting or showing highways on that platform. Bunch of nuts over there.

Reddit is famous for drawing New Urbanism and NUMTOT types.

Yeah I've figured that out lol. What is NUMTOT?

New Urban Memes for Transit Oriented Teens.  Basically one of the most detestable groups people (emphasis my opinion) on the internet in modern times.  Basically their stance is "f#^% roads and cars."

They also brigade other Facebook groups with their tripe, ruining those in the process.

[Max Rockatansky]

It's official, the 101 widening is complete.

I have a question for you kernals. What is with you and your obsession with Phoenix? You've posted so many unanimously hated Phoenix posts on reddit.

I was curious so I went and checked the Post History and...Oh my...not sure I've ever seen such a torrentially "downvoted" account...

If I'm torrentially downvoted, how did I get 473,000 Karma?

Tucson people, I suspect.   

Go to any sub on reddit that follows infrastructure and you're sure to have any post about car/road based infrastructure shown you'll have a small army of posters saying how this freeway should be rail, or America needs to build more rail, or fuck cars. It's typical and the reason I stopped following sub/infrastructureporn. I don't fault Kernals for that. He is farting in the wind promoting or showing highways on that platform. Bunch of nuts over there.

Reddit is famous for drawing New Urbanism and NUMTOT types.

Yeah I've figured that out lol. What is NUMTOT?

New Urban Memes for Transit Oriented Teens.  Basically one of the most detestable groups people (emphasis my opinion) on the internet in modern times.  Basically their stance is "f#^% roads and cars."

They also brigade other Facebook groups with their tripe, ruining those in the process.

Yes, occasionally one tries to cross over to attempt to spread to their particular brand of gospel when we post a highway item they find disagreeable.

[Exit58]

There's new leadership within the GRIC that's more amenable to freeways and development - they've seen the success the SRPMIC has had along Loop 101 and the benefits it brings to its membership.

This is why you see significant commercial development to the south of Loop 202 between 32nd Street and 40th Street, plus moving the Phoenix Rising stadium to the community.

Also, one of the holdups was their requests for additional interchanges along I-10 on the reservation for their own development.  I saw in the ADOT plan there is an additional interchange (called just an access point) planned for about halfway between the 374 interchange and Riggs.  I believe they had requested three additional interchanges, so there may be two more as well further southeast, but this is likely why the widening plans are okay with them.

I agree - that one between Riggs and 347 would provide better access to the massive Intel plant expansion in South Chandler.  Just speculating, but one due west of Sacaton (just north of the Gila) would be beneficial as well.

I can't find any maps of this, but the new east-west parkway that is getting started in Maricopa, it's said to plan to connect to I-10 north of Casa Grande once it's finished.  that would appear to line up to where the Sacaton exit would go.

I have family that lives in Maricopa. It is being billed as an I-10/SR 347 Alternative in case 347 gets clogged due to an accident, something that has happened multiple times just in the couple years they have lived there. The new E/W corridor basically follows the current 2-lane route locals take when 347 is closed/backed up. The proposal is a four-lane parkway with a new interchange at I-10. The new exit would be about halfway between 387/187 Pinal Ave and McCartney Rd falling within Casa Grande itself. It's basically adding off ramps at Val Vista Rd. As it is, Maricopa has grown like a weed. According to the census they overtook Casa Grande in population (becoming #1 in Pinal except for San Tan Valley, but they're not incorporated like Maricopa is) and they have started building new subdivisions south of Ak-Chin.

ADOT and MAG are doing a scoping study on 347. Skimming through it, seems like the general idea all parties are onboard with (including GRIC) is a 6-lane "˜Arizona Parkway', where you go past the intersection and make a u-turn in place of turning left. Oh and a DDI at 347/10 and overpass at Riggs Rd.

[kernals12]

Phoenix has once again put off a vote on selling a 30 acre gravel pit to ADOT for the construction of the Tres Rios Freeway
https://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/news/2022/01/25/phoenix-again-consider-selling-land-state-route-30.html

[kernals12]

Does ADOT have any plans for fixing the interchange between the Superstition and Price Freeways? It seems to be a bit of a bottleneck if Google Traffic is anything to go by.

[ztonyg]

Does ADOT have any plans for fixing the interchange between the Superstition and Price Freeways? It seems to be a bit of a bottleneck if Google Traffic is anything to go by.

It appears to have originally have been intended to be a 4-level stack but one of the levels was eliminated due to funding and those horrible tight "U-shaped" ramps (for lack of the official term) were built instead.

I'd imagine more traffic flows through this interchange than the Loop 101 / I-17 interchange (which is a full stack). However I've not seen anything regarding fixing this interchange.

[kernals12]

Does ADOT have any plans for fixing the interchange between the Superstition and Price Freeways? It seems to be a bit of a bottleneck if Google Traffic is anything to go by.

It appears to have originally have been intended to be a 4-level stack but one of the levels was eliminated due to funding and those horrible tight "U-shaped" ramps (for lack of the official term) were built instead.

I'd imagine more traffic flows through this interchange than the Loop 101 / I-17 interchange (which is a full stack). However I've not seen anything regarding fixing this interchange.

It seems the congestion occurs on the directional ramps, not the u-shaped ramps.

I think the technical term is stackmill.

[KeithE4Phx]

Does ADOT have any plans for fixing the interchange between the Superstition and Price Freeways? It seems to be a bit of a bottleneck if Google Traffic is anything to go by.

It's bad, but I haven't heard of any plans to fix it.

One problem I have is when I drive home to NE Mesa from Tempe or Chandler, I have to take AZ 101 north to AZ 202.  The northbound 101 briefly goes from three lanes to two north of US 60, then I have to shift two lanes to the right to be able to get onto the 202. 

This is similar to what happens on I-10 westbound (actually northbound) at the merge with US 60, to be able to move far enough over to the right to get off on AZ 143 (very dangerous during morning rush hour).  That was my commute to work for many years when I lived in Ahwatukee.  Hopefully the Broadway Curve rebuild will fix that issue.

[kernals12]

Does ADOT have any plans for fixing the interchange between the Superstition and Price Freeways? It seems to be a bit of a bottleneck if Google Traffic is anything to go by.

It's bad, but I haven't heard of any plans to fix it.

One problem I have is when I drive home to NE Mesa from Tempe or Chandler, I have to take AZ 101 north to AZ 202.  The northbound 101 briefly goes from three lanes to two north of US 60, then I have to shift two lanes to the right to be able to get onto the 202. 

This is similar to what happens on I-10 westbound (actually northbound) at the merge with US 60, to be able to move far enough over to the right to get off on AZ 143 (very dangerous during morning rush hour).  That was my commute to work for many years when I lived in Ahwatukee.  Hopefully the Broadway Curve rebuild will fix that issue.

Looks like they are planning something for 101 north of US 60
https://www.ourmomentumplan.com/proposed-investment-plan
That must include a rebuild of the interchange.

[kdk]

Does ADOT have any plans for fixing the interchange between the Superstition and Price Freeways? It seems to be a bit of a bottleneck if Google Traffic is anything to go by.

It's bad, but I haven't heard of any plans to fix it.

One problem I have is when I drive home to NE Mesa from Tempe or Chandler, I have to take AZ 101 north to AZ 202.  The northbound 101 briefly goes from three lanes to two north of US 60, then I have to shift two lanes to the right to be able to get onto the 202. 

This is similar to what happens on I-10 westbound (actually northbound) at the merge with US 60, to be able to move far enough over to the right to get off on AZ 143 (very dangerous during morning rush hour).  That was my commute to work for many years when I lived in Ahwatukee.  Hopefully the Broadway Curve rebuild will fix that issue.

Looks like they are planning something for 101 north of US 60
https://www.ourmomentumplan.com/proposed-investment-plan
That must include a rebuild of the interchange.

I actually see the SB 101 as more of the issue between the 202 Red Mountain and the 60 interchange.  It's been problematic almost since the 101 was finished in the area.  Three lanes from the EB 202 merge into what becomes 5 lanes of the 101 for about 4 miles, with two local interchanges at University Dr and Broadway, with then the US 60 ramps.  There's a lot of weaving in a short segment here, similar to the current I-10 Broadway curve scenario.  I think a lot of the traffic is the EB 202 going to EB 60 mixing with the SB 101 traffic.  I don't think the design of the 60 ramps even matter much, the only ideal fix would be is if there were some express lanes for EB 202 to EB 60 traffic but I don't know how you could really design that anyway.

It causes backups daily several miles north of the 202 on the 101, and even on weekends there are some backups within 2 miles of the 60 interchange.

[kernals12]

Does ADOT have any plans for fixing the interchange between the Superstition and Price Freeways? It seems to be a bit of a bottleneck if Google Traffic is anything to go by.

It's bad, but I haven't heard of any plans to fix it.

One problem I have is when I drive home to NE Mesa from Tempe or Chandler, I have to take AZ 101 north to AZ 202.  The northbound 101 briefly goes from three lanes to two north of US 60, then I have to shift two lanes to the right to be able to get onto the 202. 

This is similar to what happens on I-10 westbound (actually northbound) at the merge with US 60, to be able to move far enough over to the right to get off on AZ 143 (very dangerous during morning rush hour).  That was my commute to work for many years when I lived in Ahwatukee.  Hopefully the Broadway Curve rebuild will fix that issue.

Looks like they are planning something for 101 north of US 60
https://www.ourmomentumplan.com/proposed-investment-plan
That must include a rebuild of the interchange.

I actually see the SB 101 as more of the issue between the 202 Red Mountain and the 60 interchange.  It's been problematic almost since the 101 was finished in the area.  Three lanes from the EB 202 merge into what becomes 5 lanes of the 101 for about 4 miles, with two local interchanges at University Dr and Broadway, with then the US 60 ramps.  There's a lot of weaving in a short segment here, similar to the current I-10 Broadway curve scenario.  I think a lot of the traffic is the EB 202 going to EB 60 mixing with the SB 101 traffic.  I don't think the design of the 60 ramps even matter much, the only ideal fix would be is if there were some express lanes for EB 202 to EB 60 traffic but I don't know how you could really design that anyway.

It causes backups daily several miles north of the 202 on the 101, and even on weekends there are some backups within 2 miles of the 60 interchange.

With ADOT obsessively stamping out every bottleneck in the Phoenix area, I'm sure they'll give that some attention at some point.

[kernals12]

On February 24, ADOT will be holding a public meeting to discuss the widening of Loop 101 west of I-17 https://www.einnews.com/pr_news/563181344/feb-24-virtual-public-meeting-to-focus-on-future-loop-101-widening-project-in-northwest-valley

[Sonic99]

They really need to widen the 101 bridge over Skunk Creek so they can add merging lanes between Bell and Thunderbird. I drive it every day and it's an awful choke point.

[Bigmikelakers]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the opening of AZ 24 going out to Williams Field Rd near Bell Bank Park on April 1st. I drove it over the weekend and noticed 45 mph as the speed limit through that new stretch from Williams Field to the Ellsworth overpass heading west. I assume they made it that low since there will still be some signaled intersections on the final stretch out the Ironwood. I would think 50 would be a more appropriate speed limit though since Ellsworth has a 50 mph speed limit south of AZ 24 to the Queen Creek town limits.

[74/171FAN]

Here is an article about the opening.

[Sonic99]

So I saw a couple weeks ago where NHRA announced that Wild Horse Pass Motorsports Park is closing after next year, and in the release it says "A new overpass/roadway for the I-10 extension will use the space now occupied by the track." Anyone have any clue what this is referring to? The track itself is significantly to the west of the I-10 right of way, so I don't quite understand the wording they are using, blaming the I-10 expansion for the track closing.

https://www.wildhorsepass.com/nhra-expansion-plans-at-wild-horse-pass/

[rower155]

Good question. It's not very clear. 
The proposed I-10 widening project through this area is here: http://i10wildhorsepasscorridor.com
The reconstructed interchanges don't appear to have an impact on the track.  It's possible that if the outside widening option is chosen, then it may have an impact.  It shows about 15 feet additional strip easement needed along the mainline.  Even though that doesn't directly occupy the track, maybe the track becomes too close to the new roadway to operate safely. There's a contact email listed there. I imagine someone would be able to answer that question.

So I saw a couple weeks ago where NHRA announced that Wild Horse Pass Motorsports Park is closing after next year, and in the release it says "A new overpass/roadway for the I-10 extension will use the space now occupied by the track." Anyone have any clue what this is referring to? The track itself is significantly to the west of the I-10 right of way, so I don't quite understand the wording they are using, blaming the I-10 expansion for the track closing.

https://www.wildhorsepass.com/nhra-expansion-plans-at-wild-horse-pass/