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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #1200 on: May 16, 2022, 06:57:44 PM »

I have driven the new Bella Vista Bypass a number of times now (6 times each way), and as a roadgeek, I can't get over the reduced standards at the Missouri section. The narrow inner median (four foot I believe from the preliminary layout I have downloaded) annoys me to no end. It reminds me of the older standard "urban" freeways in large metropolitan areas, but stranded in the middle of bum nowhere. It's a jarring combination
Looking at the newly posted Street View of this segment, it looks like it goes through significantly rough terrain with a lot of mountain cuts to make room for the freeway. Itís reasonable to have a reduced section in mountainous areas to save costs.

This isnít a freeway in the middle of an open field where they can just have a 60-70 foot median and no to little added expense.
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That's part of the reason the last few miles took so long: unforgiving terrain that was going to take big bucks to deal with.
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #1201 on: May 16, 2022, 07:24:30 PM »

Remember, a court order prevents the E. Gregory Blvd, E. 59th St., and the E. 55th St. intersections along US 71 from being converted into grade-separations or interchanges (thus keeping the Interstate 49 designation from continuing north of Interstate 435). Until the court order is lifted (and I wouldn't hold my breath on that), the signaled intersections will remain.
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #1202 on: May 16, 2022, 07:43:57 PM »

Remember, a court order prevents the E. Gregory Blvd, E. 59th St., and the E. 55th St. intersections along US 71 from being converted into grade-separations or interchanges (thus keeping the Interstate 49 designation from continuing north of Interstate 435). Until the court order is lifted (and I wouldn't hold my breath on that), the signaled intersections will remain.

Wait about 50 years :p
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #1203 on: May 17, 2022, 04:57:53 PM »

Remember, a court order prevents the E. Gregory Blvd, E. 59th St., and the E. 55th St. intersections along US 71 from being converted into grade-separations or interchanges (thus keeping the Interstate 49 designation from continuing north of Interstate 435). Until the court order is lifted (and I wouldn't hold my breath on that), the signaled intersections will remain.

But there is nothing to stop a proposal being brought to the community for discussion. If they like the new park space, then the court order can be reversed.

The court order was placed because MoDOT didn't want to spend the money back then to remediate it to their requirements. (maintain their community standards)

If a means of lower cost is available for MoDOT and it provides or enhances the community experience and avoids the issues raised before, then they should at least try.

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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #1204 on: May 19, 2022, 11:36:27 AM »

I'm surprised the thread title hasn't been updated by now, since I-49 has fully arrived in MO (with the possible future exception of the Bruce Watkins at-grades being converted in Kansas City)

Should be quite a while before/if that occurs.
Does anyone know the reason why US 71 in KC was not built to a full freeway?

MoDOT lost a court case brought by local residents that didn't want the freeway. Should be fairly well documented if you search for Bruce Watkins Drive.

Or putting it in other words, what MoDOT would have had to spend to remediate the residents concerns would have made the road uneconomic.

MoDOT could have $999 trillion to spend and it wouldn't make a difference. They're legally unable to build a freeway by court order.
Not to nitpick or anything, but because of that, I-49 will end at I-470 forever.

Never say 'Never'.  In a few decades, anyone with any direct memories of what happened back them will be gone and generations yet to come will look at the situation and start asking serious questions....

Mike

I went to the public meeting today here in KC for the High Priority Unfunded Needs. I spoke with a MODOT representative about the Bruce R. Watkins project and they said the city came to them asking for improvements for pedestrians (bridge over the highway, etc.,). They did say that if the court order was ever removed and the city ever asked them to build a freeway for that section, they would be more than happy to oblige :).

Most interesting/entertaining part of the meeting was some guy was there that wasn't happy about I-49 being only two lanes in northern Cass County (155th St to North Cass Parkway). He was not happy that it was in Tier 3 and nearly blew a gasket when they said the Tier 3 projects would take about 10 years before they get to construction and was saying that his project was more deserving than the Bruce Watkins one (even though they were both in the same Tier 3). MODOT had a board up saying that the estimated cost would be 21 million, but the guy didn't know about that and said that he will get a contractor to do estimates :-D.

Looks like the I-49 project in Cass County made the Draft STIP with an award date of 2024 (Project number KU0028). But it is shaded light gray in their document so if the gas tax increase that got passed last year (SB262) gets repealed, this project might get delayed.
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