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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #1100 on: August 25, 2021, 06:19:01 PM »

I'm still amazed at how rural McDonald County still is, being so close to a metro area of half a million people. The fact that it's so rural in itself should be an attraction. Is the cost of living just higher in Missouri?

It's one of the more inexpensive states to live in and is currently #9 according to the Council for Community & Economic Research (C2ER). St Louis is probably the most expensive city in the state, and having lived there until three years ago I can say it's still fairly cheap to live there. The Hancock Amendment keeps taxes lower than they would otherwise be.
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #1101 on: August 25, 2021, 10:58:19 PM »

I'm still amazed at how rural McDonald County still is, being so close to a metro area of half a million people. The fact that it's so rural in itself should be an attraction. Is the cost of living just higher in Missouri?

It's one of the more inexpensive states to live in and is currently #9 according to the Council for Community & Economic Research (C2ER). St Louis is probably the most expensive city in the state, and having lived there until three years ago I can say it's still fairly cheap to live there. The Hancock Amendment keeps taxes lower than they would otherwise be.

I think it is primed to shoot up along MO-90, which they just resurfaced completely between US-71 and Noel, MO, other than the I-49 overpass, which is about to get worked on this week with ramp paving.  Pineville and Anderson are likely to undergo a doubling in population over the next 20 years as well with the convenient access to NWA next month.
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #1102 on: September 13, 2021, 05:00:27 PM »

Is it scheduled to open on time? My trip to NW Arkansas got pushed forward to the (first or second? I'm terrible with counting) weekend of October, and I'm slightly worried that it may not be done before I go. (I'm going by October 8, I believe.)
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #1103 on: September 13, 2021, 05:51:57 PM »

Is it scheduled to open on time? My trip to NW Arkansas got pushed forward to the (first or second? I'm terrible with counting) weekend of October, and I'm slightly worried that it may not be done before I go. (I'm going by October 8, I believe.)

ARDOT is waffling a little. The Ribbon Cutting will be Sept 30,  It MAY be another week or two before it officially opens.
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #1104 on: September 16, 2021, 12:42:59 PM »

It's official!

I-49 Ribbon Cutting
September 30  2021
Arkansas/Missouri State Line.

Road is expected to open October 1.


 
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #1105 on: September 20, 2021, 05:13:30 PM »

I was ecstatic to see the article confirming that ARDOT and MoDOT plan on opening the BVB (I-49) exactly one week before my trip! Still am ecstatic...


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Should probably mention overhead signs are going up on I-49 in Pineville tonight, according to the MoDOT website.
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #1106 on: September 20, 2021, 10:25:52 PM »

It's official!

I-49 Ribbon Cutting
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Arkansas/Missouri State Line.

Road is expected to open October 1.


That's great to hear. I might not make it down there till later in October but glad to see it's finally close to being done.
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #1107 on: September 20, 2021, 10:31:36 PM »

Hopefully once the BVB is fully opened it will create added pressure to get I-49 projects moving along in the Fort Smith area.
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #1108 on: September 21, 2021, 12:19:49 AM »

Hopefully once the BVB is fully opened it will create added pressure to get I-49 projects moving along in the Fort Smith area.

It'll be Super-2 for a while for any of the rest of Arkansas' portion without significant federal help.
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #1109 on: September 21, 2021, 12:42:16 AM »

^ At the very least, at least a high quality super 2 65 mph highway will still be a significant improvement over the current condition. Add in alternating passing lanes, maintain a limited access design, and build in eventual parallel widening to meet full interstate standards in the future.
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #1110 on: September 21, 2021, 12:47:23 AM »

^ At the very least, at least a high quality super 2 65 mph highway will still be a significant improvement over the current condition. Add in alternating passing lanes, maintain a limited access design, and build in eventual parallel widening to meet full interstate standards in the future.

It's the Arkansas' way!  :bigass:
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #1111 on: September 22, 2021, 08:20:24 PM »

https://katv.com/news/local/bella-vista-bypass-to-open-oct-1-as-part-of-interstate-49

They actually finished it in a year and a half? Considering other projects take longer this is a accomplishment in the construction industry.

Heck, the Wittpenn Bridge in NJ took ten years and itís still pending completion.
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #1112 on: September 23, 2021, 10:01:18 AM »

I know everybody is happy that the project is finally coming to an end, and a badly needed one too.
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #1113 on: September 23, 2021, 10:50:54 AM »

https://katv.com/news/local/bella-vista-bypass-to-open-oct-1-as-part-of-interstate-49

They actually finished it in a year and a half? Considering other projects take longer this is a accomplishment in the construction industry.

Heck, the Wittpenn Bridge in NJ took ten years and itís still pending completion.

Wittpenn is a complex draw bridge in a urban/port district whereas the I-49 Missouri segment is a very rural area of the country, where MoDOT owned the ROW and had the subs lined up to respond to the bids very quickly.

MoDOT had been spending the money to update the EIS and construction plan continuously.

i don't want to speak negatively about NJDOT, but even the new Tappan Zee took NY a long time to get through the system.

If the Wittpenn was say, crossing the Arkansas River at Fort Smith, that might be a better comparison.
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #1114 on: September 23, 2021, 11:00:41 AM »

https://katv.com/news/local/bella-vista-bypass-to-open-oct-1-as-part-of-interstate-49

They actually finished it in a year and a half? Considering other projects take longer this is a accomplishment in the construction industry.

Heck, the Wittpenn Bridge in NJ took ten years and itís still pending completion.
MoDOT seem to get some projects done pretty quickly, at least when compared to some other states. Like MO 364 Phase 3 was done in a year and a half too.
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #1115 on: September 23, 2021, 01:02:42 PM »

https://katv.com/news/local/bella-vista-bypass-to-open-oct-1-as-part-of-interstate-49

They actually finished it in a year and a half? Considering other projects take longer this is a accomplishment in the construction industry.

Heck, the Wittpenn Bridge in NJ took ten years and itís still pending completion.
MoDOT seem to get some projects done pretty quickly, at least when compared to some other states. Like MO 364 Phase 3 was done in a year and a half too.
That they do, but not to be a hater, but I have also seen where the quality (or lack of) shows. For instance, on MO 364, you can tell that they took a lot of shortcuts and cost cutting measures. The I-64/MO 364 interchange in particular shows this. Hopefully, I-49 connection will be built to the full quality needed.

Either way, from an interstate travel perspective, it is much welcome and needed. As one who sees a potential route from Chicago to Texas via a stop in St. Louis, this does create a viable corridor to consider, especially to skip tolls in OK and that worst part of US 69 North of I-40 with way too many stoplights. Here's hoping the AR does eventually extend this to Texarkana so that there is another viable alternative to get to Dallas... I'm not holding my breath on any extension of I-45 or Interstate overlay of US 69 in OK, though desperately needed it is.
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #1116 on: September 23, 2021, 03:17:13 PM »

They've posted an invitation for the ribbon cutting and directions to the location at https://www.modot.org/i-49-missouriarkansas-connector.
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #1117 on: September 23, 2021, 03:20:02 PM »

As one who sees a potential route from Chicago to Texas via a stop in St. Louis, this does create a viable corridor to consider, especially to skip tolls in OK and that worst part of US 69 North of I-40 with way too many stoplights. Here's hoping the AR does eventually extend this to Texarkana so that there is another viable alternative to get to Dallas... I'm not holding my breath on any extension of I-45 or Interstate overlay of US 69 in OK, though desperately needed it is.
From St Louis, from what I heard, US 67 is a faster routing to Dallas than I-49 or US 69.
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #1118 on: September 23, 2021, 03:31:00 PM »

As one who sees a potential route from Chicago to Texas via a stop in St. Louis, this does create a viable corridor to consider, especially to skip tolls in OK and that worst part of US 69 North of I-40 with way too many stoplights. Here's hoping the AR does eventually extend this to Texarkana so that there is another viable alternative to get to Dallas... I'm not holding my breath on any extension of I-45 or Interstate overlay of US 69 in OK, though desperately needed it is.
From St Louis, from what I heard, US 67 is a faster routing to Dallas than I-49 or US 69.
Looking at the map, that may be. Of course, that route would benefit from the upgrade/extension of I-57... and even more so for any Chicago to Texas route, for that matter. That said, and to keep in topic, at the very least, it does give one more Western alterative that avoids any current two lane sections and provides a way to avoid Muskogee and its seemingly dozen stoplights or so. US 69 South of I-40 generally is more open with less stops than the section North (plus, avoids a few of the more notorious speed traps). Nonetheless, this is a good alternate route to have open, and thinking longer term, once AR finishes the Central portion (which may be a while), will provide a better alternative from MO to TX.
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #1119 on: September 23, 2021, 04:05:52 PM »

As one who sees a potential route from Chicago to Texas via a stop in St. Louis, this does create a viable corridor to consider, especially to skip tolls in OK and that worst part of US 69 North of I-40 with way too many stoplights. Here's hoping the AR does eventually extend this to Texarkana so that there is another viable alternative to get to Dallas... I'm not holding my breath on any extension of I-45 or Interstate overlay of US 69 in OK, though desperately needed it is.
From St Louis, from what I heard, US 67 is a faster routing to Dallas than I-49 or US 69.
Looking at the map, that may be. Of course, that route would benefit from the upgrade/extension of I-57... and even more so for any Chicago to Texas route, for that matter. That said, and to keep in topic, at the very least, it does give one more Western alterative that avoids any current two lane sections and provides a way to avoid Muskogee and its seemingly dozen stoplights or so. US 69 South of I-40 generally is more open with less stops than the section North (plus, avoids a few of the more notorious speed traps). Nonetheless, this is a good alternate route to have open, and thinking longer term, once AR finishes the Central portion (which may be a while), will provide a better alternative from MO to TX.

Yeah, I see I-57 getting done before I-49 in Arkansas due to cost, mileage, and terrain.  Here's hoping that Missouri turns its attention to their portion now that I-49 is functionally complete there (Bruce Watkins Dr.)
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #1120 on: September 23, 2021, 06:20:37 PM »

As one who sees a potential route from Chicago to Texas via a stop in St. Louis, this does create a viable corridor to consider, especially to skip tolls in OK and that worst part of US 69 North of I-40 with way too many stoplights. Here's hoping the AR does eventually extend this to Texarkana so that there is another viable alternative to get to Dallas... I'm not holding my breath on any extension of I-45 or Interstate overlay of US 69 in OK, though desperately needed it is.
From St Louis, from what I heard, US 67 is a faster routing to Dallas than I-49 or US 69.
Looking at the map, that may be. Of course, that route would benefit from the upgrade/extension of I-57... and even more so for any Chicago to Texas route, for that matter. That said, and to keep in topic, at the very least, it does give one more Western alterative that avoids any current two lane sections and provides a way to avoid Muskogee and its seemingly dozen stoplights or so. US 69 South of I-40 generally is more open with less stops than the section North (plus, avoids a few of the more notorious speed traps). Nonetheless, this is a good alternate route to have open, and thinking longer term, once AR finishes the Central portion (which may be a while), will provide a better alternative from MO to TX.

Yeah, I see I-57 getting done before I-49 in Arkansas due to cost, mileage, and terrain.  Here's hoping that Missouri turns its attention to their portion now that I-49 is functionally complete there (Bruce Watkins Dr.)

While a full interstate would be best, this corridor would be served just fine with an expressway from Poplar Bluff to Walnut Ridge. US 60 between Poplar Bluff and Sikeston is an expressway and there's little push to upgrade it beyond a few more interchanges. I drove US 67/I-30 from St Louis to Dallas a few years ago and there was little traffic from US 160 to Pocahontas both ways. ADT from Arkansas's web site is 5-7K. I don't care whether Arkansas's portion should continue along US 67 or closer to AR 34/90.

I don't know if it's any shorter, but I-44 in Missouri is hilly, has a lot of truck traffic, and it's not unusual to get caught behind trucks because one is passing the other going 1 mph faster up a hill. US 67 through Park Hills is just as hilly, but has almost no truck traffic and moves pretty fast. Once south of Poplar Bluff, it's Mississippi Delta-flat until Little Rock. I'd recommend the US 67/I-30 corridor STL-Dallas over other routes.
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #1121 on: September 23, 2021, 07:40:14 PM »

As one who sees a potential route from Chicago to Texas via a stop in St. Louis, this does create a viable corridor to consider, especially to skip tolls in OK and that worst part of US 69 North of I-40 with way too many stoplights. Here's hoping the AR does eventually extend this to Texarkana so that there is another viable alternative to get to Dallas... I'm not holding my breath on any extension of I-45 or Interstate overlay of US 69 in OK, though desperately needed it is.
From St Louis, from what I heard, US 67 is a faster routing to Dallas than I-49 or US 69.
Looking at the map, that may be. Of course, that route would benefit from the upgrade/extension of I-57... and even more so for any Chicago to Texas route, for that matter. That said, and to keep in topic, at the very least, it does give one more Western alterative that avoids any current two lane sections and provides a way to avoid Muskogee and its seemingly dozen stoplights or so. US 69 South of I-40 generally is more open with less stops than the section North (plus, avoids a few of the more notorious speed traps). Nonetheless, this is a good alternate route to have open, and thinking longer term, once AR finishes the Central portion (which may be a while), will provide a better alternative from MO to TX.

Yeah, I see I-57 getting done before I-49 in Arkansas due to cost, mileage, and terrain.  Here's hoping that Missouri turns its attention to their portion now that I-49 is functionally complete there (Bruce Watkins Dr.)

While a full interstate would be best, this corridor would be served just fine with an expressway from Poplar Bluff to Walnut Ridge. US 60 between Poplar Bluff and Sikeston is an expressway and there's little push to upgrade it beyond a few more interchanges. I drove US 67/I-30 from St Louis to Dallas a few years ago and there was little traffic from US 160 to Pocahontas both ways. ADT from Arkansas's web site is 5-7K. I don't care whether Arkansas's portion should continue along US 67 or closer to AR 34/90.

I don't know if it's any shorter, but I-44 in Missouri is hilly, has a lot of truck traffic, and it's not unusual to get caught behind trucks because one is passing the other going 1 mph faster up a hill. US 67 through Park Hills is just as hilly, but has almost no truck traffic and moves pretty fast. Once south of Poplar Bluff, it's Mississippi Delta-flat until Little Rock. I'd recommend the US 67/I-30 corridor STL-Dallas over other routes.

Looking at the AADT counts for the 2 lane section, looks like it's climbing 250-300 per year already, even before getting the eventual upgrade.  Methinks the word has been slowly getting out anyway.
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #1122 on: September 23, 2021, 08:42:10 PM »

They've posted an invitation for the ribbon cutting and directions to the location at https://www.modot.org/i-49-missouriarkansas-connector.

So, are they opening the segment between Exit 4 and MO-90 on Oct. 1 after the ribbon cutting the previous day?  The directions from Missouri indicate that segment will still be closed.

https://www.modot.org/sites/default/files/documents/Site%20Map%20MO.pdf
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« Reply #1123 on: September 23, 2021, 10:24:38 PM »

They've posted an invitation for the ribbon cutting and directions to the location at https://www.modot.org/i-49-missouriarkansas-connector.

So, are they opening the segment between Exit 4 and MO-90 on Oct. 1 after the ribbon cutting the previous day?  The directions from Missouri indicate that segment will still be closed.

https://www.modot.org/sites/default/files/documents/Site%20Map%20MO.pdf
Iím not sure to be honest. I saw that theyíre planning on opening on Oct 1 so I would hope theyíre done by that date.
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« Reply #1124 on: September 24, 2021, 09:55:21 AM »

They've posted an invitation for the ribbon cutting and directions to the location at https://www.modot.org/i-49-missouriarkansas-connector.

So, are they opening the segment between Exit 4 and MO-90 on Oct. 1 after the ribbon cutting the previous day?  The directions from Missouri indicate that segment will still be closed.

https://www.modot.org/sites/default/files/documents/Site%20Map%20MO.pdf
Iím not sure to be honest. I saw that theyíre planning on opening on Oct 1 so I would hope theyíre done by that date.

Otherwise, MO-90's 2 newly resurfaced lanes will be getting a chunk of the traffic that grinds through Bella Vista's 4 lanes and numerous signals until it does open.
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