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Quote from: ozarkman417 on January 24, 2020, 05:36:34 PM
A second case has been confirmed and the stocks are having a bad time as a result.

Quote from: US71 on January 26, 2020, 10:24:26 AM

Quote from: ozarkman417 on January 24, 2020, 05:36:34 PM
A second case has been confirmed and the stocks are having a bad time as a result.

Why do stocks matter? Only people wealthy enough to afford stocks care about the stock market..

Quote from: US71 on January 26, 2020, 10:24:26 AM
Why do stocks matter? Only people wealthy enough to afford stocks care about the stock market..

Quote from: bing101 on January 28, 2020, 08:46:58 AM
https://kesq.com/news/national-world/2020/01/28/death-toll-from-wuhan-coronavirus-tops-100-as-infection-rate-accelerates/


100 people reported dead by the Coronavirus.

Quote from: SectorZ on January 28, 2020, 08:32:37 AM

Quote from: US71 on January 26, 2020, 10:24:26 AM

Quote from: ozarkman417 on January 24, 2020, 05:36:34 PM
A second case has been confirmed and the stocks are having a bad time as a result.

Why do stocks matter? Only people wealthy enough to afford stocks care about the stock market..

Not to get off topic here, but I guess you don't know how 401(k) systems work?

Quote from: kphoger on January 31, 2020, 10:12:53 AM
8200 = Deaths due to influenza in the USA alone since September 29, as of last week.
213 = Deaths due to the Wuhan coronavirus worldwide since December 1, as of today.

Forgive me if I'm not panicking.

Quote from: kphoger on January 31, 2020, 10:12:53 AM
8200 = Deaths due to influenza in the USA alone since September 29, as of last week.
213 = Deaths due to the Wuhan coronavirus worldwide since December 1, as of today.

Forgive me if I'm not panicking.

Quote from: US71 on January 26, 2020, 10:24:26 AM

Quote from: ozarkman417 on January 24, 2020, 05:36:34 PM
A second case has been confirmed and the stocks are having a bad time as a result.

Why do stocks matter? Only people wealthy enough to afford stocks care about the stock market..

Quote from: MNHighwayMan on January 31, 2020, 07:36:38 PM

Quote from: US71 on January 26, 2020, 10:24:26 AM

Quote from: ozarkman417 on January 24, 2020, 05:36:34 PM
A second case has been confirmed and the stocks are having a bad time as a result.

Why do stocks matter? Only people wealthy enough to afford stocks care about the stock market..

Because the stock market still greatly affects the economy at large. Ever hear about the stock market crash of 1929 and the Great Depression?

Quote from: webny99 on January 31, 2020, 05:25:11 PM

Quote from: kphoger on January 31, 2020, 10:12:53 AM
8200 = Deaths due to influenza in the USA alone since September 29, as of last week.
213 = Deaths due to the Wuhan coronavirus worldwide since December 1, as of today.

Forgive me if I'm not panicking.

I was going to add in the numbers of cases of each to give some more context, but that information proved to not be a quick and easy find. Needless to say, it becomes more worrisome when you consider the ratio of cases to deaths.

Quote from: bing101 on January 31, 2020, 11:21:14 PM
https://abc7news.com/5895060/ (https://abc7news.com/5895060/)


Now there is a report of a patient Coronavirus in the San Jose area


https://abc7.com/health/us-quarantines-american-evacuees-from-china-at-riverside-military-base/5895001/ (https://abc7.com/health/us-quarantines-american-evacuees-from-china-at-riverside-military-base/5895001/)


And here is another one at the Riverside military base.

Quote from: vdeane on January 31, 2020, 10:08:31 PM

Quote from: webny99 on January 31, 2020, 05:25:11 PM

Quote from: kphoger on January 31, 2020, 10:12:53 AM
8200 = Deaths due to influenza in the USA alone since September 29, as of last week.
213 = Deaths due to the Wuhan coronavirus worldwide since December 1, as of today.

Forgive me if I'm not panicking.

I was going to add in the numbers of cases of each to give some more context, but that information proved to not be a quick and easy find. Needless to say, it becomes more worrisome when you consider the ratio of cases to deaths.

On ABC News tonight they quoted 9700 cases and 213 deaths, at least in China.  That's a 2.2% death rate for those infected.

Quote from: US 89 on February 01, 2020, 04:58:21 PM
According to the CDC's calculations, the mortality rate for influenza is 0.13%, or around 1 in 769 people. A 2.2% death rate means on average, 1 out of every 45 people who get coronavirus die from it. The reason more people have died from influenza is that far more people get it in the first place.

Put it this way: if those numbers are right, the coronavirus is 17 times deadlier than the flu.

Quote from: US71 on February 01, 2020, 09:18:07 PM

Quote from: US 89 on February 01, 2020, 04:58:21 PM
According to the CDC's calculations, the mortality rate for influenza is 0.13%, or around 1 in 769 people. A 2.2% death rate means on average, 1 out of every 45 people who get coronavirus die from it. The reason more people have died from influenza is that far more people get it in the first place.

Put it this way: if those numbers are right, the coronavirus is 17 times deadlier than the flu.

The news seems to be playing it down saying the flu is worse.

Quote from: kevinb1994 on February 01, 2020, 09:15:57 PM
Apparently there is a confirmed case of a UMass student with the coronavirus, which I got word of when I turned on
the TV to CNN or whatever cable news channel I was watching about forty-five minutes ago.

Quote from: Rothman on February 02, 2020, 12:43:57 AM

Quote from: kevinb1994 on February 01, 2020, 09:15:57 PM
Apparently there is a confirmed case of a UMass student with the coronavirus, which I got word of when I turned on
the TV to CNN or whatever cable news channel I was watching about forty-five minutes ago.

UMass Amherst?

Quote from: kevinb1994 on February 02, 2020, 12:46:50 AM

Quote from: Rothman on February 02, 2020, 12:43:57 AM

Quote from: kevinb1994 on February 01, 2020, 09:15:57 PM
Apparently there is a confirmed case of a UMass student with the coronavirus, which I got word of when I turned on
the TV to CNN or whatever cable news channel I was watching about forty-five minutes ago.

UMass Amherst?

Actually, it was a UMass Boston student. You know, the one affiliated with a notable political family of which has their two notable sons names' on a airports in NYC and a sports venue in DC.

Quote from: Rothman on February 02, 2020, 12:48:05 AM

Quote from: kevinb1994 on February 02, 2020, 12:46:50 AM

Quote from: Rothman on February 02, 2020, 12:43:57 AM

Quote from: kevinb1994 on February 01, 2020, 09:15:57 PM
Apparently there is a confirmed case of a UMass student with the coronavirus, which I got word of when I turned on
the TV to CNN or whatever cable news channel I was watching about forty-five minutes ago.

UMass Amherst?

Actually, it was a UMass Boston student. You know, the one affiliated with a notable political family of which has their two notable sons names' on a airports in NYC and a sports venue in DC.

Huh.  UMass Boston mainly a commuter school.  UMass Amherst is considered the flagship campus.

Wonder how the virus got in there.

Quote from: 1 on February 02, 2020, 09:41:03 PM
So there are 9 cases in the US. Looking at where they are, it passes the randomness test for "choose 9 random people in the US" with two exceptions: Santa Clara is unlikely to have two by chance alone, and there's a bias toward cities.

By the way, the virus seeks out targets who spread conspiracy theories about it.

QuoteCoronavirus victims.

Quote from: webny99 on January 31, 2020, 05:25:11 PM
I was going to add in the numbers of cases of each to give some more context, but that information proved to not be a quick and easy find. Needless to say, it becomes more worrisome when you consider the ratio of cases to deaths.

Quote from: US 89 on February 01, 2020, 04:58:21 PM
According to the CDC's calculations, the mortality rate for influenza is 0.13%, or around 1 in 769 people. A 2.2% death rate means on average, 1 out of every 45 people who get coronavirus die from it. The reason more people have died from influenza is that far more people get it in the first place.

Put it this way: if those numbers are right, the coronavirus is 17 times deadlier than the flu.

Quote from: kevinb1994 on February 01, 2020, 09:19:40 PM

Quote from: US71 on February 01, 2020, 09:18:07 PM

The news seems to be playing it down saying the flu is worse.

That's what I was about to get to next, the cable news channels are obviously the worst offenders of this.

Quote from: kphoger on February 03, 2020, 01:31:31 PM

Quote from: webny99 on January 31, 2020, 05:25:11 PM
I was going to add in the numbers of cases of each to give some more context, but that information proved to not be a quick and easy find. Needless to say, it becomes more worrisome when you consider the ratio of cases to deaths.

Quote from: US 89 on February 01, 2020, 04:58:21 PM
According to the CDC's calculations, the mortality rate for influenza is 0.13%, or around 1 in 769 people. A 2.2% death rate means on average, 1 out of every 45 people who get coronavirus die from it. The reason more people have died from influenza is that far more people get it in the first place.

Put it this way: if those numbers are right, the coronavirus is 17 times deadlier than the flu.

Quote from: kevinb1994 on February 01, 2020, 09:19:40 PM

Quote from: US71 on February 01, 2020, 09:18:07 PM

The news seems to be playing it down saying the flu is worse.

That's what I was about to get to next, the cable news channels are obviously the worst offenders of this.

This just makes me even less worried about the coronavirus.  So many more people die from the flu than from the coronavirus, as I pointed out (and the news keeps pointing out too).  Well, if the coronavirus is so much more contagious than the flu, then that just means so-o-o-o so-o-o-o so-o-o-o SO-O-O-O many more people get the flu than get the cornoavirus to begin with.  Your chances are that much smaller of contracting the coronavirus than the comparative number of deaths makes it first appear.

Quote from: kphoger on February 03, 2020, 01:31:31 PM

Quote from: webny99 on January 31, 2020, 05:25:11 PM
I was going to add in the numbers of cases of each to give some more context, but that information proved to not be a quick and easy find. Needless to say, it becomes more worrisome when you consider the ratio of cases to deaths.

Quote from: US 89 on February 01, 2020, 04:58:21 PM
According to the CDC's calculations, the mortality rate for influenza is 0.13%, or around 1 in 769 people. A 2.2% death rate means on average, 1 out of every 45 people who get coronavirus die from it. The reason more people have died from influenza is that far more people get it in the first place.

Put it this way: if those numbers are right, the coronavirus is 17 times deadlier than the flu.

Quote from: kevinb1994 on February 01, 2020, 09:19:40 PM

Quote from: US71 on February 01, 2020, 09:18:07 PM

The news seems to be playing it down saying the flu is worse.

That's what I was about to get to next, the cable news channels are obviously the worst offenders of this.

This just makes me even less worried about the coronavirus.  So many more people die from the flu than from the coronavirus, as I pointed out (and the news keeps pointing out too).  Well, if the coronavirus is so much more contagious than the flu, then that just means so-o-o-o so-o-o-o so-o-o-o SO-O-O-O many more people get the flu than get the cornoavirus to begin with.  Your chances are that much smaller of contracting the coronavirus than the comparative number of deaths makes it first appear.

Quote from: US71 on February 03, 2020, 01:39:25 PM
FWIW, it's not a bad idea to take a few simple precautions. DON'T PANIC :P  :p ,  just take some minor precautions.

Quote from: 1 on February 03, 2020, 01:51:03 PM
Also, "coronavirus" is a description, not the name of the virus. While it's okay for now (the terminology, not the virus itself!), it might cause confusion in the future if there's another outbreak caused by a completely different coronavirus.

Quote from: kphoger on February 03, 2020, 01:58:53 PM

Quote from: 1 on February 03, 2020, 01:51:03 PM
Also, "coronavirus" is a description, not the name of the virus. While it's okay for now (the terminology, not the virus itself!), it might cause confusion in the future if there's another outbreak caused by a completely different coronavirus.

That's true of the flu, too.

Quote from: kphoger on February 03, 2020, 01:31:31 PM

Quote from: webny99 on January 31, 2020, 05:25:11 PM
I was going to add in the numbers of cases of each to give some more context, but that information proved to not be a quick and easy find. Needless to say, it becomes more worrisome when you consider the ratio of cases to deaths.

Quote from: US 89 on February 01, 2020, 04:58:21 PM
According to the CDC's calculations, the mortality rate for influenza is 0.13%, or around 1 in 769 people. A 2.2% death rate means on average, 1 out of every 45 people who get coronavirus die from it. The reason more people have died from influenza is that far more people get it in the first place.

Put it this way: if those numbers are right, the coronavirus is 17 times deadlier than the flu.

Quote from: kevinb1994 on February 01, 2020, 09:19:40 PM

Quote from: US71 on February 01, 2020, 09:18:07 PM

The news seems to be playing it down saying the flu is worse.

That's what I was about to get to next, the cable news channels are obviously the worst offenders of this.

This just makes me even less worried about the coronavirus.  So many more people die from the flu than from the coronavirus, as I pointed out (and the news keeps pointing out too).  Well, if the coronavirus is so much more contagious than the flu, then that just means so-o-o-o so-o-o-o so-o-o-o SO-O-O-O many more people get the flu than get the cornoavirus to begin with.  Your chances are that much smaller of contracting the coronavirus than the comparative number of deaths makes it first appear.

Quote from: kphoger on February 03, 2020, 01:31:31 PM

Quote from: webny99 on January 31, 2020, 05:25:11 PM
I was going to add in the numbers of cases of each to give some more context, but that information proved to not be a quick and easy find. Needless to say, it becomes more worrisome when you consider the ratio of cases to deaths.

Quote from: US 89 on February 01, 2020, 04:58:21 PM
According to the CDC's calculations, the mortality rate for influenza is 0.13%, or around 1 in 769 people. A 2.2% death rate means on average, 1 out of every 45 people who get coronavirus die from it. The reason more people have died from influenza is that far more people get it in the first place.
Put it this way: if those numbers are right, the coronavirus is 17 times deadlier than the flu.

Quote from: kevinb1994 on February 01, 2020, 09:19:40 PM

Quote from: US71 on February 01, 2020, 09:18:07 PM
The news seems to be playing it down saying the flu is worse.

That's what I was about to get to next, the cable news channels are obviously the worst offenders of this.

This just makes me even less worried about the coronavirus.  So many more people die from the flu than from the coronavirus, as I pointed out (and the news keeps pointing out too).  Well, if the coronavirus is so much more contagious than the flu, then that just means so-o-o-o so-o-o-o so-o-o-o SO-O-O-O many more people get the flu than get the cornoavirus to begin with.  Your chances are that much smaller of contracting the coronavirus than the comparative number of deaths makes it first appear.

Quote from: webny99 on February 03, 2020, 03:34:55 PM
What's more worrisome?

Quote from: Rothman on February 03, 2020, 05:20:16 PM
Smith College has entered the scare as a student has claimed the possibility of being on the same flight as the UMass Boston student and now having symptoms.

Quote from: webny99 on February 03, 2020, 03:34:55 PM

Quote from: kphoger on February 03, 2020, 01:31:31 PM

Quote from: webny99 on January 31, 2020, 05:25:11 PM
I was going to add in the numbers of cases of each to give some more context, but that information proved to not be a quick and easy find. Needless to say, it becomes more worrisome when you consider the ratio of cases to deaths.

Quote from: US 89 on February 01, 2020, 04:58:21 PM
According to the CDC's calculations, the mortality rate for influenza is 0.13%, or around 1 in 769 people. A 2.2% death rate means on average, 1 out of every 45 people who get coronavirus die from it. The reason more people have died from influenza is that far more people get it in the first place.
Put it this way: if those numbers are right, the coronavirus is 17 times deadlier than the flu.

Quote from: kevinb1994 on February 01, 2020, 09:19:40 PM

Quote from: US71 on February 01, 2020, 09:18:07 PM
The news seems to be playing it down saying the flu is worse.

That's what I was about to get to next, the cable news channels are obviously the worst offenders of this.

This just makes me even less worried about the coronavirus.  So many more people die from the flu than from the coronavirus, as I pointed out (and the news keeps pointing out too).  Well, if the coronavirus is so much more contagious than the flu, then that just means so-o-o-o so-o-o-o so-o-o-o SO-O-O-O many more people get the flu than get the cornoavirus to begin with.  Your chances are that much smaller of contracting the coronavirus than the comparative number of deaths makes it first appear.

I'm not trying to make you worry about the coronavirus. I'm just saying, if you did come down with it, then you should be worried. Much more worried than if you came down with the flu.

So, basically:
Flu: high chance of catching, low chance of it being fatal.
Coronavirus: low chance of catching, high chance of it being fatal.

What's more worrisome?
Take your pick, but I'll go with the coronavirus. I'm confident enough in my ability to fight the flu.

Quote from: kphoger on February 03, 2020, 04:08:45 PM

Quote from: webny99 on February 03, 2020, 03:34:55 PM
What's more worrisome?

The one I actually have a statistically significant chance of contracting.
Your chance of surviving a gun shot to the head is even lower (5%), but I'm even less worried about getting shot in the head than I am of contracting the coronavirus–despite the fact that around 20,000 people in the USA die from a gun shot to the head every year.

Quote from: webny99 on February 03, 2020, 07:40:55 PM
Well, the problem with that comparison is that you have control over whether you shoot yourself in the head,

Quote from: webny99 on February 03, 2020, 07:40:55 PM
but you don't have control over whether you contract the flu or coronavirus.

Quote from: webny99 on February 03, 2020, 07:40:55 PM
If I do get the flu, I know how to combat it - or at least can take some basic steps - because I and millions of others do it every year, and survive. Life goes on. I have no idea how to combat the coronavirus, by contrast, or how I'd even know I had it to begin with. That element of the unknown is another reason it's higher on the worrisome scale for me.

Quote from: vdeane on February 03, 2020, 08:25:05 PM
Yeah, seriously.  There are steps you can take to limit your chance of getting the flu.  The same is NOT true of coronavirus because of the fact that one is contagious for two weeks prior to showing symptoms.

Quote from: vdeane on February 03, 2020, 08:25:05 PM
To make matters worse, a LOT of people traveled freely before such was known.  There's really no way to know how widespread it is right now except to wait and see, and by that point it will have spread further.

Quote from: bing101 on February 04, 2020, 10:54:59 AM
One patient was released at a Washington State hospital.

Quote from: Bruce on February 04, 2020, 04:41:27 PM
The hospital is not a Washington State hospital, since WSU doesn't run hospitals.

Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on February 05, 2020, 05:49:31 PM
I have major doubts about another Spanish Flu type epidemic ever happening (barring a major collapse of society) between much more advanced health systems and knowledge, plus no global scale conflict on the level of World War I that allowed that pandemic to grow, mutate, and spread.

Quote from: vdeane on February 05, 2020, 08:45:31 PM

Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on February 05, 2020, 05:49:31 PM
I have major doubts about another Spanish Flu type epidemic ever happening (barring a major collapse of society) between much more advanced health systems and knowledge, plus no global scale conflict on the level of World War I that allowed that pandemic to grow, mutate, and spread.

There are a few things to keep in mind, though:
-It's contagious before people have symptoms or its presence can be detected
-We have air travel, and while we're quarantining people from China, that doesn't mean anything if someone who was let in before we started doing that is contagious and doesn't know it.
-The Communist Party's first response to reports of the virus was not to take preventative measures but to pretend nothing was happening and punish anyone who said otherwise to anyone (even in private communications).  That allowed the virus to spread far, far more than it otherwise should have.

Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on February 06, 2020, 01:03:12 AM
.02% (550/30000)

Quote from: vdeane on February 05, 2020, 08:45:31 PM
-The Communist Party's first response to reports of the virus was not to take preventative measures but to pretend nothing was happening and punish anyone who said otherwise to anyone (even in private communications).  That allowed the virus to spread far, far more than it otherwise should have.

Quote from: webny99 on February 06, 2020, 11:13:46 AMThink about the kind of sickness/disease/infection it would take to shut a US manufacturing hub down, and ours are doing nothing compared to what China is pumping out.

Quote from: bing101 on February 06, 2020, 02:20:05 PM
https://apnews.com/905489d29a3d4f8788f17a40003548a0


now a reports of a Whistle blower of the coronavirus to be in critical condition in china 

Quote from: US71 on February 06, 2020, 05:49:53 PM

Quote from: bing101 on February 06, 2020, 02:20:05 PM
https://apnews.com/905489d29a3d4f8788f17a40003548a0 (https://apnews.com/905489d29a3d4f8788f17a40003548a0)


now a reports of a Whistle blower of the coronavirus to be in critical condition in china 

He's dead, Jim

https://www.foxnews.com/health/doctor-sounded-alarm-coronavirus-dies (https://www.foxnews.com/health/doctor-sounded-alarm-coronavirus-dies)

Quote from: vdeane on February 05, 2020, 08:45:31 PM

Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on February 05, 2020, 05:49:31 PM
I have major doubts about another Spanish Flu type epidemic ever happening (barring a major collapse of society) between much more advanced health systems and knowledge, plus no global scale conflict on the level of World War I that allowed that pandemic to grow, mutate, and spread.

-It's contagious before people have symptoms or its presence can be detected

Quote from: 1 on February 03, 2020, 01:51:03 PM
There are now two cases in the same spot of rural California. However, I would expect a contagion with 11 cases to be like this:

7 Los Angeles
4 Chicago
Nowhere else

Not this:

2 Los Angeles (in different parts of the metro area, so unrelated)
2 rural California, same spot
2 Santa Clara
2 Chicago
1 Boston
1 suburb of Phoenix
1 Seattle

This looks like random points on a map, although it's a bit less the case than before with the same rural area getting 2. Does anyone know if the locations with two known cases are people who travel together?

Also, "coronavirus" is a description, not the name of the virus. While it's okay for now (the terminology, not the virus itself!), it might cause confusion in the future if there's another outbreak caused by a completely different coronavirus.

Quote from: kphoger on February 18, 2020, 01:20:54 PM
Yesterday in the news, it was proclaimed that there were 6 confirmed cases of this coronavirus here.  One article even went into detail about who the first person was, and my co-worker saw a blurb with reporters outside a hospital in Omaha (not in Kansas??).

Today in the news, it was proclaimed:
"We've been getting messages about a story claiming there are six confirmed cases of Wuhan coronavirus in Wichita.  It's NOT TRUE.  Kansas currently has NO confirmed cases."

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 27, 2020, 08:18:44 AM
Anyone else remember when everyone in the news was freaking out about; SARS, Bird Flu, Swine Flu, Anthrax, etc?  I get it that this is a big deal in China but everyone acts like the zombie apocalypse is upon us every time one of these diseases rolls around every couple years.  South Park more or less nailed it almost two decades ago with the SARS scare:

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 27, 2020, 08:18:44 AM
Anyone else remember when everyone in the news was freaking out about; SARS, Bird Flu, Swine Flu, Anthrax, etc?  I get it that this is a big deal in China but everyone acts like the zombie apocalypse is upon us every time one of these diseases rolls around every couple years.  South Park more or less nailed it almost two decades ago with the SARS scare:

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 27, 2020, 09:34:34 AM
Regarding impactful infections on the global scale when was the last truly big one?  I want to say it was the Spanish Flu (ironically which is also what Swine Flu was) but there might be some Mid-20th Century examples that I'm forgetting about.

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 27, 2020, 09:34:34 AM
Regarding media sensation with the Coronavirus.  The only place I heard it even discussed in Mexico during two weeks was when I (along with my family) were asked if we had been to China in the last 14 days.  I kind of notice once you get away from the U.S. and to a lesser extent Canada media sensationalism tends to die down fast. 

Interestingly the City of San Francisco declared a state of emergency but I don't think that there has even been a confirmed case of Coronavirus there?  I was telling my wife we should probably go for a visit since that declaration probably will turn off a lot of tourism and drive hotel prices down. 

Regarding impactful infections on the global scale when was the last truly big one?  I want to say it was the Spanish Flu (ironically which is also what Swine Flu was) but there might be some Mid-20th Century examples that I'm forgetting about. 

Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 27, 2020, 09:14:19 AM
Just to put the hype in perspective: About as many people have died from the flu compared to Coronavirus, and many more people have been sickened by it. 

But, Coronavirus is this year's hot-topic, so it will be in the news for a while, and have people freaking out.  I'm sure hospitals and doctor offices have been inundated with people believing they have this latest and greatest illness, only to find out they have, to use complicated medical terminology: "nothing".

Quote from: kalvado on February 27, 2020, 10:08:56 AM

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 27, 2020, 09:34:34 AM
Regarding impactful infections on the global scale when was the last truly big one?  I want to say it was the Spanish Flu (ironically which is also what Swine Flu was) but there might be some Mid-20th Century examples that I'm forgetting about.

If you will, epidemiologists being on a constant watch is a important part of it. While not global, local outbreaks do happen, and can be pretty nasty. What we see, IMHO,  is just professional "panic" of those who know how quickly things can go wrong and trying to get them right - something general public doesn't really remember.

Quote from: bing101 on February 23, 2020, 11:08:36 PM
https://ktla.com/2020/02/23/covid-19-cases-soar-in-italy-as-authorities-scramble-to-find-patient-zero/ (https://ktla.com/2020/02/23/covid-19-cases-soar-in-italy-as-authorities-scramble-to-find-patient-zero/)


A COVID-19 scare is reported in Italy.

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 27, 2020, 09:34:34 AM
....

Interestingly the City of San Francisco declared a state of emergency but I don't think that there has even been a confirmed case of Coronavirus there?  I was telling my wife we should probably go for a visit since that declaration probably will turn off a lot of tourism and drive hotel prices down. 

....

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 27, 2020, 10:37:09 AM
^^^

I want to say it's either Salono County or Humboldt County. 

Quote from: kalvado on February 27, 2020, 10:08:56 AM

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 27, 2020, 09:34:34 AM
Regarding impactful infections on the global scale when was the last truly big one?  I want to say it was the Spanish Flu (ironically which is also what Swine Flu was) but there might be some Mid-20th Century examples that I'm forgetting about.

If you will, epidemiologists being on a constant watch is a important part of it. While not global, local outbreaks do happen, and can be pretty nasty. What we see, IMHO,  is just professional "panic" of those who know how quickly things can go wrong and trying to get them right - something general public doesn't really remember.

I've kind of found that they tend to be the more rational when these outbreaks happen.  Most of the public concern seems to be coming from either media sources or public media officials making declarations or public announcements.  I even had to read an issued statement at work, all it did was get people spun up over nothing.

Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 27, 2020, 09:14:19 AM
Just to put the hype in perspective: About as many people have died from the flu compared to Coronavirus, and many more people have been sickened by it. 

But, Coronavirus is this year's hot-topic, so it will be in the news for a while, and have people freaking out.  I'm sure hospitals and doctor offices have been inundated with people believing they have this latest and greatest illness, only to find out they have, to use complicated medical terminology: "nothing".

Quote from: US 89 on February 01, 2020, 04:58:21 PM
According to the CDC's calculations, the mortality rate for influenza is 0.13%, or around 1 in 769 people. A 2.2% death rate means on average, 1 out of every 45 people who get coronavirus die from it. The reason more people have died from influenza is that far more people get it in the first place.

Put it this way: if those numbers are right, the coronavirus is 17 times deadlier than the flu.

Quote from: US 89 on February 27, 2020, 11:08:44 AM

Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 27, 2020, 09:14:19 AM
Just to put the hype in perspective: About as many people have died from the flu compared to Coronavirus, and many more people have been sickened by it. 

But, Coronavirus is this year's hot-topic, so it will be in the news for a while, and have people freaking out.  I'm sure hospitals and doctor offices have been inundated with people believing they have this latest and greatest illness, only to find out they have, to use complicated medical terminology: "nothing".

See my post a few pages up for why it's a big deal:

Quote from: US 89 on February 01, 2020, 04:58:21 PM
According to the CDC's calculations, the mortality rate for influenza is 0.13%, or around 1 in 769 people. A 2.2% death rate means on average, 1 out of every 45 people who get coronavirus die from it. The reason more people have died from influenza is that far more people get it in the first place.

Put it this way: if those numbers are right, the coronavirus is 17 times deadlier than the flu.

That 2.2% figure appears to still be valid a month later. Worth noting that although it's less deadly than other similar diseases like SARS or MERS, this actually makes it more dangerous because it's more likely to be spread around - this is also part of why the flu is more common and has killed more people than the new coronavirus has. With something like SARS or MERS you'd probably die before you could give it to many other people.

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 27, 2020, 10:37:09 AM
^^^

I want to say it’s either Salono County or Humboldt County. 

Quote from: kalvado on February 27, 2020, 10:08:56 AM

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 27, 2020, 09:34:34 AM
Regarding impactful infections on the global scale when was the last truly big one?  I want to say it was the Spanish Flu (ironically which is also what Swine Flu was) but there might be some Mid-20th Century examples that I’m forgetting about.

If you will, epidemiologists being on a constant watch is a important part of it. While not global, local outbreaks do happen, and can be pretty nasty. What we see, IMHO,  is just professional "panic" of those who know how quickly things can go wrong and trying to get them right - something general public doesn't really remember.

I’ve kind of found that they tend to be the more rational when these outbreaks happen.  Most of the public concern seems to be coming from either media sources or public media officials making declarations or public announcements.  I even had to read an issued statement at work, all it did was get people spun up over nothing.

Quote from: nexus73 on February 27, 2020, 01:12:39 PM

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 27, 2020, 10:37:09 AM
^^^

I want to say it's either Salono County or Humboldt County. 

Quote from: kalvado on February 27, 2020, 10:08:56 AM

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 27, 2020, 09:34:34 AM
Regarding impactful infections on the global scale when was the last truly big one?  I want to say it was the Spanish Flu (ironically which is also what Swine Flu was) but there might be some Mid-20th Century examples that I'm forgetting about.

If you will, epidemiologists being on a constant watch is a important part of it. While not global, local outbreaks do happen, and can be pretty nasty. What we see, IMHO,  is just professional "panic" of those who know how quickly things can go wrong and trying to get them right - something general public doesn't really remember.

I've kind of found that they tend to be the more rational when these outbreaks happen.  Most of the public concern seems to be coming from either media sources or public media officials making declarations or public announcements.  I even had to read an issued statement at work, all it did was get people spun up over nothing.

Just heard on the news that the coronavirus victim is in Solano County.  They are being treated at UC-Davis.  This person has not been outside the USA recently.  How did they get the virus?  Unknown at this time.

Rick

Quote from: bing101 on February 27, 2020, 03:01:37 PM

Quote from: nexus73 on February 27, 2020, 01:12:39 PM

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 27, 2020, 10:37:09 AM
^^^

I want to say it's either Salono County or Humboldt County. 

Quote from: kalvado on February 27, 2020, 10:08:56 AM

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 27, 2020, 09:34:34 AM
Regarding impactful infections on the global scale when was the last truly big one?  I want to say it was the Spanish Flu (ironically which is also what Swine Flu was) but there might be some Mid-20th Century examples that I'm forgetting about.

If you will, epidemiologists being on a constant watch is a important part of it. While not global, local outbreaks do happen, and can be pretty nasty. What we see, IMHO,  is just professional "panic" of those who know how quickly things can go wrong and trying to get them right - something general public doesn't really remember.

I've kind of found that they tend to be the more rational when these outbreaks happen.  Most of the public concern seems to be coming from either media sources or public media officials making declarations or public announcements.  I even had to read an issued statement at work, all it did was get people spun up over nothing.

Just heard on the news that the coronavirus victim is in Solano County.  They are being treated at UC-Davis.  This person has not been outside the USA recently.  How did they get the virus?  Unknown at this time.

Rick

Solano County, CA was expected to get hit by Coronavirus due to Travis Air Force Base in Fairfield, CA have been the lead quarantine facility of COVID-19 in the USA. 


https://www.sacbee.com/news/california/article240604346.html (https://www.sacbee.com/news/california/article240604346.html)


https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Coronavirus-patients-Travis-AFB-must-move-15079843.php (https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Coronavirus-patients-Travis-AFB-must-move-15079843.php)

https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/health-and-medicine/article240688726.html (https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/health-and-medicine/article240688726.html)

Quote from: Bruce on February 27, 2020, 03:19:26 PM
We really shouldn't downplay the spread of COVID-19, which has a much higher fatality rate than the normal flu (around 2%) and seems to spread quite fast. Japan and South Korea have both started their own quarantines to try and contain the spread, Italy has its outbreak, and there's only so much we can learn out of China. Even the "underreported" figures are quite significant, and it's also having an impact on the world economy as more and more man-hours are lost in China.

That being said, the media hype is causing its own problems. Locally, there's been an uptick in anti-Asian racism, including harassment that I have experienced myself on the street.

Quote from: kevinb1994 on February 27, 2020, 06:28:48 PM

Quote from: Bruce on February 27, 2020, 03:19:26 PM
We really shouldn't downplay the spread of COVID-19, which has a much higher fatality rate than the normal flu (around 2%) and seems to spread quite fast. Japan and South Korea have both started their own quarantines to try and contain the spread, Italy has its outbreak, and there's only so much we can learn out of China. Even the "underreported" figures are quite significant, and it's also having an impact on the world economy as more and more man-hours are lost in China.

That being said, the media hype is causing its own problems. Locally, there's been an uptick in anti-Asian racism, including harassment that I have experienced myself on the street.

That racism towards Asians and Asian-Americans (myself included–my mother and her family are from Taichung, Taiwan) really is disgusting when you get down to the nitty-gritty. I keep telling this to my friends that I have talked to on FB and whatnot.

Quote from: US71 on February 27, 2020, 06:53:28 PM

Quote from: kevinb1994 on February 27, 2020, 06:28:48 PM

Quote from: Bruce on February 27, 2020, 03:19:26 PM
We really shouldn't downplay the spread of COVID-19, which has a much higher fatality rate than the normal flu (around 2%) and seems to spread quite fast. Japan and South Korea have both started their own quarantines to try and contain the spread, Italy has its outbreak, and there's only so much we can learn out of China. Even the "underreported" figures are quite significant, and it's also having an impact on the world economy as more and more man-hours are lost in China.

That being said, the media hype is causing its own problems. Locally, there's been an uptick in anti-Asian racism, including harassment that I have experienced myself on the street.

That racism towards Asians and Asian-Americans (myself included–my mother and her family are from Taichung, Taiwan) really is disgusting when you get down to the nitty-gritty. I keep telling this to my friends that I have talked to on FB and whatnot.

My grandmother was from Guatemala. she put up with a lot of crap when she came to the states.

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 27, 2020, 03:39:39 PM

Quote from: bing101 on February 27, 2020, 03:01:37 PM

Quote from: nexus73 on February 27, 2020, 01:12:39 PM

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 27, 2020, 10:37:09 AM
^^^

I want to say it's either Salono County or Humboldt County. 

Quote from: kalvado on February 27, 2020, 10:08:56 AM

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 27, 2020, 09:34:34 AM
Regarding impactful infections on the global scale when was the last truly big one?  I want to say it was the Spanish Flu (ironically which is also what Swine Flu was) but there might be some Mid-20th Century examples that I'm forgetting about.

If you will, epidemiologists being on a constant watch is a important part of it. While not global, local outbreaks do happen, and can be pretty nasty. What we see, IMHO,  is just professional "panic" of those who know how quickly things can go wrong and trying to get them right - something general public doesn't really remember.

I've kind of found that they tend to be the more rational when these outbreaks happen.  Most of the public concern seems to be coming from either media sources or public media officials making declarations or public announcements.  I even had to read an issued statement at work, all it did was get people spun up over nothing.

Just heard on the news that the coronavirus victim is in Solano County.  They are being treated at UC-Davis.  This person has not been outside the USA recently.  How did they get the virus?  Unknown at this time.

Rick

Solano County, CA was expected to get hit by Coronavirus due to Travis Air Force Base in Fairfield, CA have been the lead quarantine facility of COVID-19 in the USA. 


https://www.sacbee.com/news/california/article240604346.html (https://www.sacbee.com/news/california/article240604346.html)


https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Coronavirus-patients-Travis-AFB-must-move-15079843.php (https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Coronavirus-patients-Travis-AFB-must-move-15079843.php)

https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/health-and-medicine/article240688726.html (https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/health-and-medicine/article240688726.html)

Well there goes easy lodging at Travis AFB for awhile...   I'll have to ask my Wife's Cousin how things are over there with the quarantine procedures.

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 27, 2020, 09:34:34 AM
Regarding media sensation with the Coronavirus.  The only place I heard it even discussed in Mexico during two weeks was when I (along with my family) were asked if we had been to China in the last 14 days.  I kind of notice once you get away from the U.S. and to a lesser extent Canada media sensationalism tends to die down fast. 

Interestingly the City of San Francisco declared a state of emergency but I don't think that there has even been a confirmed case of Coronavirus there?  I was telling my wife we should probably go for a visit since that declaration probably will turn off a lot of tourism and drive hotel prices down. 

Regarding impactful infections on the global scale when was the last truly big one?  I want to say it was the Spanish Flu (ironically which is also what Swine Flu was) but there might be some Mid-20th Century examples that I'm forgetting about.

Quote from: Scott5114 on February 29, 2020, 01:51:55 PM
I have to wonder how a quarantine/"stay home" mandate like we're seeing in other countries would go over in the US. So many employers here have draconian attendance policies that I think a lot of people would ignore the government and go to work anyway in fear of losing their job. Where I work, you're only allowed 10 unscheduled absences in a rolling year period, no matter the reason. Thus, I fully expect to contract the coronavirus from one of my coworkers should it spread to this part of the country.

Quote from: SSOWorld on February 29, 2020, 02:36:57 PM

Quote from: Scott5114 on February 29, 2020, 01:51:55 PM
I have to wonder how a quarantine/"stay home" mandate like we're seeing in other countries would go over in the US. So many employers here have draconian attendance policies that I think a lot of people would ignore the government and go to work anyway in fear of losing their job. Where I work, you're only allowed 10 unscheduled absences in a rolling year period, no matter the reason. Thus, I fully expect to contract the coronavirus from one of my coworkers should it spread to this part of the country.

FMLA prohibits such draconian policy.

Quote from: SSOWorld on February 29, 2020, 02:36:57 PM

Quote from: Scott5114 on February 29, 2020, 01:51:55 PM
I have to wonder how a quarantine/"stay home" mandate like we're seeing in other countries would go over in the US. So many employers here have draconian attendance policies that I think a lot of people would ignore the government and go to work anyway in fear of losing their job. Where I work, you're only allowed 10 unscheduled absences in a rolling year period, no matter the reason. Thus, I fully expect to contract the coronavirus from one of my coworkers should it spread to this part of the country.

FMLA prohibits such draconian policy.

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 29, 2020, 02:57:40 PM

Quote from: SSOWorld on February 29, 2020, 02:36:57 PM

Quote from: Scott5114 on February 29, 2020, 01:51:55 PM
I have to wonder how a quarantine/"stay home" mandate like we're seeing in other countries would go over in the US. So many employers here have draconian attendance policies that I think a lot of people would ignore the government and go to work anyway in fear of losing their job. Where I work, you're only allowed 10 unscheduled absences in a rolling year period, no matter the reason. Thus, I fully expect to contract the coronavirus from one of my coworkers should it spread to this part of the country.

FMLA prohibits such draconian policy.

Yes, but it doesn’t exactly stop a lot of employers from getting pushy with sick absence policies.  For close to 20 years I’ve gotten crap almost every single time I’ve called out maybe 1-3 times a year...and I’ve been salary for most of it.  You can tie a lot of that mindset back to somehow the American mentality is that more work means better work. 

Case and point, our sick usage policy dropped from 6% to 3% annually recently.  Everyone who exceeds that 3% usage is supposed to either provide doctor’s notes or received a “documented” verbal (which means it’s written IMO) warning.  Personally I’m pretty lax with allowing sick usage because with how close my people work in closed offices and vehicles it tends to spread germs fast.  I had to talk one of my investigators into using some of her hundreds of sick hours a couple years back because she had an obvious flu.  I guess she thought I was going to be mad if she called out, I was more upset she came in sick. 

Quote from: nexus73 on February 29, 2020, 05:57:04 PM

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 29, 2020, 02:57:40 PM

Quote from: SSOWorld on February 29, 2020, 02:36:57 PM

Quote from: Scott5114 on February 29, 2020, 01:51:55 PM
I have to wonder how a quarantine/"stay home" mandate like we're seeing in other countries would go over in the US. So many employers here have draconian attendance policies that I think a lot of people would ignore the government and go to work anyway in fear of losing their job. Where I work, you're only allowed 10 unscheduled absences in a rolling year period, no matter the reason. Thus, I fully expect to contract the coronavirus from one of my coworkers should it spread to this part of the country.

FMLA prohibits such draconian policy.

Yes, but it doesn't exactly stop a lot of employers from getting pushy with sick absence policies.  For close to 20 years I've gotten crap almost every single time I've called out maybe 1-3 times a year...and I've been salary for most of it.  You can tie a lot of that mindset back to somehow the American mentality is that more work means better work. 

Case and point, our sick usage policy dropped from 6% to 3% annually recently.  Everyone who exceeds that 3% usage is supposed to either provide doctor's notes or received a "documented"  verbal (which means it's written IMO) warning.  Personally I'm pretty lax with allowing sick usage because with how close my people work in closed offices and vehicles it tends to spread germs fast.  I had to talk one of my investigators into using some of her hundreds of sick hours a couple years back because she had an obvious flu.  I guess she thought I was going to be mad if she called out, I was more upset she came in sick. 

Good on you!  When my father owned a gas station in the mid 60's, he got a bad cold but kept right on working.  He wound up with double pneumonia and down for a month.  Sometimes the individual pushes themselves too hard instead of the management, although in this case, my father was the top, bottom and middle guy...LOL!  Luckily we had many extended family members around so the gas station stayed open until he recovered.  My father's only vacations were not really vacations.  They came due to illness or surgery. 

May you stay safe during this pandemic Max.

Rick

Quote from: bing101 on February 29, 2020, 06:45:07 PM

Now Orange County, CA is reporting a COVID-19 scare and thats under investigation.

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 29, 2020, 06:47:16 PM

Quote from: bing101 on February 29, 2020, 06:45:07 PM

Now Orange County, CA is reporting a COVID-19 scare and thats under investigation.

See is this actually news until someone actually confirms something?...I say, not so much. 

Now I'm convinced that if the Zombie Apocalypse started to break out it probably wouldn't spread because everyone would panic thinking that they were turning into a zombie.  Would have endless numbers of "zombie scare in Insert county"  stories but almost no actual confirmed cases of Zombification.

Quote from: bing101 on February 29, 2020, 06:53:04 PM

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 29, 2020, 06:47:16 PM

Quote from: bing101 on February 29, 2020, 06:45:07 PM

Now Orange County, CA is reporting a COVID-19 scare and thats under investigation.

See is this actually news until someone actually confirms something?...I say, not so much. 

Now I'm convinced that if the Zombie Apocalypse started to break out it probably wouldn't spread because everyone would panic thinking that they were turning into a zombie.  Would have endless numbers of "zombie scare in Insert county"  stories but almost no actual confirmed cases of Zombification.

I swear sometimes if I didn't choose to major in Biology I would easily fall into conspiracy theories coming from Alex Jones and Del Bigtree.

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 29, 2020, 06:55:20 PM

Quote from: bing101 on February 29, 2020, 06:53:04 PM

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 29, 2020, 06:47:16 PM

Quote from: bing101 on February 29, 2020, 06:45:07 PM

Now Orange County, CA is reporting a COVID-19 scare and thats under investigation.

See is this actually news until someone actually confirms something?...I say, not so much. 

Now I'm convinced that if the Zombie Apocalypse started to break out it probably wouldn't spread because everyone would panic thinking that they were turning into a zombie.  Would have endless numbers of "zombie scare in Insert county"  stories but almost no actual confirmed cases of Zombification.

I swear sometimes if I didn't choose to major in Biology I would easily fall into conspiracy theories coming from Alex Jones and Del Bigtree.

The conspiracy brigade said the same thing about Bird Flu, SARS, and other recent big name diseases.

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 29, 2020, 06:32:45 PM

Quote from: nexus73 on February 29, 2020, 05:57:04 PM

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 29, 2020, 02:57:40 PM

Quote from: SSOWorld on February 29, 2020, 02:36:57 PM

Quote from: Scott5114 on February 29, 2020, 01:51:55 PM
I have to wonder how a quarantine/"stay home" mandate like we're seeing in other countries would go over in the US. So many employers here have draconian attendance policies that I think a lot of people would ignore the government and go to work anyway in fear of losing their job. Where I work, you're only allowed 10 unscheduled absences in a rolling year period, no matter the reason. Thus, I fully expect to contract the coronavirus from one of my coworkers should it spread to this part of the country.

FMLA prohibits such draconian policy.

Yes, but it doesn’t exactly stop a lot of employers from getting pushy with sick absence policies.  For close to 20 years I’ve gotten crap almost every single time I’ve called out maybe 1-3 times a year...and I’ve been salary for most of it.  You can tie a lot of that mindset back to somehow the American mentality is that more work means better work. 

Case and point, our sick usage policy dropped from 6% to 3% annually recently.  Everyone who exceeds that 3% usage is supposed to either provide doctor’s notes or received a “documented” verbal (which means it’s written IMO) warning.  Personally I’m pretty lax with allowing sick usage because with how close my people work in closed offices and vehicles it tends to spread germs fast.  I had to talk one of my investigators into using some of her hundreds of sick hours a couple years back because she had an obvious flu.  I guess she thought I was going to be mad if she called out, I was more upset she came in sick. 

Good on you!  When my father owned a gas station in the mid 60's, he got a bad cold but kept right on working.  He wound up with double pneumonia and down for a month.  Sometimes the individual pushes themselves too hard instead of the management, although in this case, my father was the top, bottom and middle guy...LOL!  Luckily we had many extended family members around so the gas station stayed open until he recovered.  My father's only vacations were not really vacations.  They came due to illness or surgery. 

May you stay safe during this pandemic Max.

Rick

Ironically my Dad has something similar go on with some normally minor bug but kept working.  He ended up getting so sick that I was diagnosed with cardio myopathy and had to get a pace maker installed.  I usually tell people that story when I end up talking to someone who is way too big on “work ethic” and “long hours.”   

Funny you bring up the notion of pandemic.  While the numbers certainly make it clear that in China and parts of Asia that there is a pandemic, I don’t think we are anywhere close State Side to having a legitimate case for that.  I guess by the most exacting definition this would be a “true pandemic” given it has reached pretty much every continent.  But it’s hard to really in an uproar with not even a hundred known cases state side.  We were actually talking even going to the Bay Area next weekend to show our Niece Golden Gate Park. 

Quote from: Scott5114 on February 29, 2020, 01:51:55 PM
I have to wonder how a quarantine/"stay home" mandate like we're seeing in other countries would go over in the US. So many employers here have draconian attendance policies that I think a lot of people would ignore the government and go to work anyway in fear of losing their job. Where I work, you're only allowed 10 unscheduled absences in a rolling year period, no matter the reason. Thus, I fully expect to contract the coronavirus from one of my coworkers should it spread to this part of the country.

Quote from: bing101 on February 29, 2020, 06:53:04 PM
I swear sometimes if I didn't choose to major in Biology I would easily fall into conspiracy theories coming from Alex Jones.

Try listening to Microbe.tv I started to listen to these shows and they are podcast shows meant for Virologists. They do a better job explaining viruses.

...

Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 29, 2020, 10:11:21 PM
This is why the media needs to stop creating false alarms all the time...

Quote from: ozarkman417 on February 29, 2020, 10:18:54 PM

Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 29, 2020, 10:11:21 PM
This is why the media needs to stop creating false alarms all the time...

They have to share (or create) whatever sells. How else would networks like CNN or FOX be able to run their channels 24/7?

Quote from: 02 Park Ave on February 29, 2020, 08:32:38 PM

Quote from: Scott5114 on February 29, 2020, 01:51:55 PM
I have to wonder how a quarantine/"stay home" mandate like we're seeing in other countries would go over in the US. So many employers here have draconian attendance policies that I think a lot of people would ignore the government and go to work anyway in fear of losing their job. Where I work, you're only allowed 10 unscheduled absences in a rolling year period, no matter the reason. Thus, I fully expect to contract the coronavirus from one of my coworkers should it spread to this part of the country.

If Quarantine is declared for an area, no one would be allowed on the roads.

Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 29, 2020, 10:11:21 PM
This is why the media needs to stop creating false alarms all the time...

"Suspected coronavirus case in Monmouth County being treated and tested"
https://www.nj.com/news/2020/02/suspected-coronavirus-case-being-treated-in-monmouth-county.html (https://www.nj.com/news/2020/02/suspected-coronavirus-case-being-treated-in-monmouth-county.html)

became...

"N.J. patient does not have coronavirus, health department says"
https://www.nj.com/monmouth/2020/02/nj-patient-does-not-have-coronavirus-health-department-says.html (https://www.nj.com/monmouth/2020/02/nj-patient-does-not-have-coronavirus-health-department-says.html)

Quote from: vdeane on February 29, 2020, 10:28:35 PM

Quote from: 02 Park Ave on February 29, 2020, 08:32:38 PM

Quote from: Scott5114 on February 29, 2020, 01:51:55 PM
I have to wonder how a quarantine/"stay home" mandate like we're seeing in other countries would go over in the US. So many employers here have draconian attendance policies that I think a lot of people would ignore the government and go to work anyway in fear of losing their job. Where I work, you're only allowed 10 unscheduled absences in a rolling year period, no matter the reason. Thus, I fully expect to contract the coronavirus from one of my coworkers should it spread to this part of the country.

If Quarantine is declared for an area, no one would be allowed on the roads.

On ABC News last (?) night, someone mentioned having two weeks worth of groceries as something we need to do to prepare, which makes me wonder if the government is actually considering doing that here.

As for me, I'm more afraid of what the government is going to do in response to the virus than the virus itself.  I don't handle disruptions to my life very well.

Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 01, 2020, 12:41:22 AM
This, again, is more media focused than anything. If the virus does manage to get so out of control that your entire region is affected, most people should consider sheltering-in-place anyway.

Quote from: Scott5114 on March 01, 2020, 04:43:51 AM

Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 01, 2020, 12:41:22 AM
This, again, is more media focused than anything. If the virus does manage to get so out of control that your entire region is affected, most people should consider sheltering-in-place anyway.

But what I'm saying is even then, people won't, because they might get fired for it.

Quote from: Scott5114 on March 01, 2020, 04:43:51 AM

Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 01, 2020, 12:41:22 AM
This, again, is more media focused than anything. If the virus does manage to get so out of control that your entire region is affected, most people should consider sheltering-in-place anyway.

But what I'm saying is even then, people won't, because they might get fired for it.

Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 01, 2020, 07:09:09 AM

Quote from: Scott5114 on March 01, 2020, 04:43:51 AM

Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 01, 2020, 12:41:22 AM
This, again, is more media focused than anything. If the virus does manage to get so out of control that your entire region is affected, most people should consider sheltering-in-place anyway.

But what I'm saying is even then, people won't, because they might get fired for it.

Honestly, that's a legitimate excuse why someone should go out. However, to use your workplace as an example, do your customers really need to be there? Every one of them elected to ignore the request to shelter in place request. Or the coworkers that stopped to get gas or coffee, and thus being around others who may already be sick.

Or a better one...I have often seen people that are very diligent trying not to touch anything in a bathroom, yet will touch money or a gas pump handle without a second thought. By the time they reach for the sanitizer,  they've already touched their wallet, door handle and steering wheel, making much of that cleansing process mute because they're gonna retouch that germed-up things soon anyway.

Quote from: SSOWorld on March 01, 2020, 06:19:29 PM
Best advice for dealing with this shit?

Continue standard hygiene behavior practices as usual.

Quote from: kalvado on March 01, 2020, 06:35:21 PM

Quote from: SSOWorld on March 01, 2020, 06:19:29 PM
Best advice for dealing with this shit?

Continue standard hygiene behavior practices as usual.

For many people there's a better advise: follow standard hygiene behavior practices, unlike  usual neglect.

Quote from: SSOWorld on March 01, 2020, 06:19:29 PM
Best advice for dealing with this shit?

Continue standard hygiene behavior practices as usual.

Quote from: bing101 on March 01, 2020, 07:45:47 PM

Quote from: SSOWorld on March 01, 2020, 06:19:29 PM
Best advice for dealing with this shit?

Continue standard hygiene behavior practices as usual.

Good Point

Quote from: Takumi on March 01, 2020, 11:43:26 PM
https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/qatar-motogp-opener-cancelled-coronavirus/4707355/

Quote from: SSOWorld on March 02, 2020, 04:26:42 AM
Mean while, cold and flu continue to plague thousands across the nation.

Quote from: bing101 on March 02, 2020, 10:54:07 AM
You got a good point there are other outbreaks out there but its being overshadowed by COVID-19 scares

Quote from: 1 on March 03, 2020, 08:03:52 AM
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

5. I rather like the name "Mexican beer virus". However, I do find it unfair that their sales are going down just because of the epidemic.

Quote from: 1 on March 03, 2020, 08:03:52 AM
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Notes:
1. In the US, there seems to be a West Coast bias and an urban bias.
2. It's not that much of a problem in the US until it starts spreading. New locations aren't the same as spreading. But once it spreads...
3. The world seems to be getting about 2000 new cases per day. Compared to the world population, it's a somewhat small number.
4. Covfefe and COVID-19 are almost adjacent alphabetically. (However, Covia is the name of a company, and it's in between.)
5. I rather like the name "Mexican beer virus". However, I do find it unfair that their sales are going down just because of the epidemic.

Quote from: Tonytone on March 03, 2020, 09:33:47 AM

Quote from: 1 on March 03, 2020, 08:03:52 AM
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Notes:
1. In the US, there seems to be a West Coast bias and an urban bias.
2. It's not that much of a problem in the US until it starts spreading. New locations aren't the same as spreading. But once it spreads...
3. The world seems to be getting about 2000 new cases per day. Compared to the world population, it's a somewhat small number.
4. Covfefe and COVID-19 are almost adjacent alphabetically. (However, Covia is the name of a company, and it's in between.)
5. I rather like the name "Mexican beer virus". However, I do find it unfair that their sales are going down just because of the epidemic.

I am concerned being as I do doordash in philly.

With the first case being in NY thats a stone throw from Philly.

5 Million people left Wuhan since December.

That means the chances of the virus being in the Philly metro is 70%.

Even though the virus is more deadly for older people & immune compromised. Getting the virus & having a chance of getting extremely sick or getting the virus & having it come back every year till the vaccine is established will be bad on some people's health.

The worse part about this is the 2 week period before feeling any symptoms.

Which means you can spread it to 100's of people or come into contact with people who have it.


iPhone

Quote from: Tonytone on March 03, 2020, 09:33:47 AM

Quote from: 1 on March 03, 2020, 08:03:52 AM
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Notes:
1. In the US, there seems to be a West Coast bias and an urban bias.
2. It's not that much of a problem in the US until it starts spreading. New locations aren't the same as spreading. But once it spreads...
3. The world seems to be getting about 2000 new cases per day. Compared to the world population, it's a somewhat small number.
4. Covfefe and COVID-19 are almost adjacent alphabetically. (However, Covia is the name of a company, and it's in between.)
5. I rather like the name "Mexican beer virus". However, I do find it unfair that their sales are going down just because of the epidemic.

I am concerned being as I do doordash in philly.

With the first case being in NY thats a stone throw from Philly.

5 Million people left Wuhan since December.

That means the chances of the virus being in the Philly metro is 70%.

Even though the virus is more deadly for older people & immune compromised. Getting the virus & having a chance of getting extremely sick or getting the virus & having it come back every year till the vaccine is established will be bad on some people's health.

The worse part about this is the 2 week period before feeling any symptoms.

Which means you can spread it to 100's of people or come into contact with people who have it.


iPhone

Quote from: 02 Park Ave on March 03, 2020, 10:45:31 AM
I am surprised that Seattle hasn't been shut down yet.

What is Governor Inslee thinking?

Quote from: 1 on March 03, 2020, 10:48:12 AM

Quote from: 02 Park Ave on March 03, 2020, 10:45:31 AM
I am surprised that Seattle hasn't been shut down yet.

What is Governor Inslee thinking?

If Seattle is quarantined, that means that the rest of Seattle is much more likely to get the virus, even if stops the spread outside of Seattle.

Do we know if the people that died live within the same square mile?

Quote from: kalvado on March 03, 2020, 10:21:15 AM

Quote from: Tonytone on March 03, 2020, 09:33:47 AM

Quote from: 1 on March 03, 2020, 08:03:52 AM
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Notes:
1. In the US, there seems to be a West Coast bias and an urban bias.
2. It's not that much of a problem in the US until it starts spreading. New locations aren't the same as spreading. But once it spreads...
3. The world seems to be getting about 2000 new cases per day. Compared to the world population, it's a somewhat small number.
4. Covfefe and COVID-19 are almost adjacent alphabetically. (However, Covia is the name of a company, and it's in between.)
5. I rather like the name "Mexican beer virus". However, I do find it unfair that their sales are going down just because of the epidemic.

I am concerned being as I do doordash in philly.

With the first case being in NY thats a stone throw from Philly.

5 Million people left Wuhan since December.

That means the chances of the virus being in the Philly metro is 70%.

Even though the virus is more deadly for older people & immune compromised. Getting the virus & having a chance of getting extremely sick or getting the virus & having it come back every year till the vaccine is established will be bad on some people's health.

The worse part about this is the 2 week period before feeling any symptoms.

Which means you can spread it to 100's of people or come into contact with people who have it.


iPhone

if 100s of people were that easily infected, everyone would be sick by now. Average number of transmissions seem to be about 3. Some are higher, many are lower. 3 is still a lot, though.

Quote from: 02 Park Ave on March 03, 2020, 10:45:31 AM
I am surprised that Seattle hasn't been shut down yet.

What is Governor Inslee thinking?

Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 03, 2020, 10:43:57 AM

Quote from: Tonytone on March 03, 2020, 09:33:47 AM

Quote from: 1 on March 03, 2020, 08:03:52 AM
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Notes:
1. In the US, there seems to be a West Coast bias and an urban bias.
2. It's not that much of a problem in the US until it starts spreading. New locations aren't the same as spreading. But once it spreads...
3. The world seems to be getting about 2000 new cases per day. Compared to the world population, it's a somewhat small number.
4. Covfefe and COVID-19 are almost adjacent alphabetically. (However, Covia is the name of a company, and it's in between.)
5. I rather like the name "Mexican beer virus". However, I do find it unfair that their sales are going down just because of the epidemic.

I am concerned being as I do doordash in philly.

With the first case being in NY thats a stone throw from Philly.

5 Million people left Wuhan since December.

That means the chances of the virus being in the Philly metro is 70%.

Even though the virus is more deadly for older people & immune compromised. Getting the virus & having a chance of getting extremely sick or getting the virus & having it come back every year till the vaccine is established will be bad on some people's health.

The worse part about this is the 2 week period before feeling any symptoms.

Which means you can spread it to 100's of people or come into contact with people who have it.


iPhone

I wouldn't be worried about DoorDash deliveries.  Have you touched any snail-mail recently?  It could just as likely any mailperson that has handled your mail has the virus.

Have you been in a store on your own?  Anyone in that store could have had the virus.

Similarly, I wouldn't be worried about New York City. The entire universe is a stone's throw from the city with the amount of traffic that goes thru that city, then drives away, gets on a train to anywhere in the Northeast, or on a plane anywhere in the world.

Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 03, 2020, 10:58:42 AM

Quote from: 02 Park Ave on March 03, 2020, 10:45:31 AM
I am surprised that Seattle hasn't been shut down yet.

What is Governor Inslee thinking?

How long would anyone last being cooped up in their houses for 2 weeks.  Ignore the work issue.  Think everything else that you would need on a daily basis.

Delivery doesn't get around it, because, remember, the entire city/region is quarantined.

Quote from: 02 Park Ave on March 03, 2020, 10:45:31 AM
I am surprised that Seattle hasn't been shut down yet.

What is Governor Inslee thinking?

Quote from: US71 on March 03, 2020, 11:32:46 AM
There are unconfirmed reports of several people infected in Arkansas. 

On a semi-related note,  the St. Francis County Sheriff's Office has offered free testing of meth for Corona virus ;)
https://www.foxnews.com/us/arkansas-police-offer-to-test-meth-for-coronavirus-better-safe-than-sorry

Quote from: LM117 on March 03, 2020, 11:38:54 AM

Quote from: US71 on March 03, 2020, 11:32:46 AM
There are unconfirmed reports of several people infected in Arkansas. 

On a semi-related note,  the St. Francis County Sheriff's Office has offered free testing of meth for Corona virus ;)
https://www.foxnews.com/us/arkansas-police-offer-to-test-meth-for-coronavirus-better-safe-than-sorry

Well come on now, what good is meth if it's laced with Coronavirus?

I bet there's a dumbass that falls for it.

Quote from: 02 Park Ave on March 03, 2020, 11:34:57 AM

Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 03, 2020, 10:58:42 AM

Quote from: 02 Park Ave on March 03, 2020, 10:45:31 AM
I am surprised that Seattle hasn't been shut down yet.

What is Governor Inslee thinking?

How long would anyone last being cooped up in their houses for 2 weeks.  Ignore the work issue.  Think everything else that you would need on a daily basis.

Delivery doesn't get around it, because, remember, the entire city/region is quarantined.

Be prepared!  Think of the reports and pictures out of the Peoples Republic of China over the past six weeks.

Quote from: 02 Park Ave on March 03, 2020, 10:45:31 AM
I am surprised that Seattle hasn't been shut down yet.

What is Governor Inslee thinking?

Quote from: 02 Park Ave on March 03, 2020, 11:34:57 AM

Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 03, 2020, 10:58:42 AM

Quote from: 02 Park Ave on March 03, 2020, 10:45:31 AM
I am surprised that Seattle hasn't been shut down yet.

What is Governor Inslee thinking?

How long would anyone last being cooped up in their houses for 2 weeks.  Ignore the work issue.  Think everything else that you would need on a daily basis.

Delivery doesn't get around it, because, remember, the entire city/region is quarantined.

Be prepared!  Think of the reports and pictures out of the Peoples Republic of China over the past six weeks.

Quote from: Bruce on March 03, 2020, 03:10:19 PM
Most stores are out of the "essentials" (toilet paper, canned foods, instant meals, rice, beans) because of panic buying. It really shows how ill prepared most Americans are for any kind of disaster or situation...makes me really fear what would happen in the event of a major earthquake (when supplies would be extremely limited because of impassible routes).

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 03, 2020, 03:33:45 PM

Quote from: Bruce on March 03, 2020, 03:10:19 PM
Most stores are out of the "essentials" (toilet paper, canned foods, instant meals, rice, beans) because of panic buying. It really shows how ill prepared most Americans are for any kind of disaster or situation...makes me really fear what would happen in the event of a major earthquake (when supplies would be extremely limited because of impassible routes).

Never mind the fact that metro Seattle is way more susceptible to a major earthquake than a large scale pandemic.  That said, most people in Seattle have been through enough earthquakes that it is a known quantity and people have become harden to the danger of a large scale event.  The fact that this whole virus talk is in the news all the time and not something people live with everyday gets a lot folks spun up...in this case needlessly.

Quote from: Bruce on March 03, 2020, 04:30:28 PM

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 03, 2020, 03:33:45 PM

Quote from: Bruce on March 03, 2020, 03:10:19 PM
Most stores are out of the "essentials" (toilet paper, canned foods, instant meals, rice, beans) because of panic buying. It really shows how ill prepared most Americans are for any kind of disaster or situation...makes me really fear what would happen in the event of a major earthquake (when supplies would be extremely limited because of impassible routes).

Never mind the fact that metro Seattle is way more susceptible to a major earthquake than a large scale pandemic.  That said, most people in Seattle have been through enough earthquakes that it is a known quantity and people have become harden to the danger of a large scale event.  The fact that this whole virus talk is in the news all the time and not something people live with everyday gets a lot folks spun up...in this case needlessly.

The number of transplants since the 2001 Nisqually quake (which wasn't felt by all of the metro area) makes me think that most don't have a living memory of it. Plus, the biggest earthquake risks are two different kinds: the Cascadia subduction zone's megathrust event, which would be a multi-state disaster; or the rupture of a shallow local fault like the Seattle Fault, which would quickly liquefy quite a few areas and bring strong shaking right under downtown Seattle.

Quote from: vdeane on March 03, 2020, 08:51:43 PM
So two people at NYSDOT's Buffalo office came back from Northern Italy with symptoms and went into work as if nothing was happening.

Quote from: 1995hoo on March 04, 2020, 03:24:12 PM
This coronavirus stuff just got serious: CNN reports the new James Bond movie's release date has been delayed from April to November.

Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 04, 2020, 07:15:54 PM
I read how several schools have cancelled domestic travel for their sports groups. This is where fear mongering takes full effect. Let's say Penn State doesn't want to travel to Pittsburgh for fear of the virus. Is the school banning students from traveling to Pittsburgh to see their families? What's the difference?

Just absolute craziness...especially when, in most cities, there's were more deaths from shootings or drug use today than from this virus.

Quote from: kalvado on March 04, 2020, 07:33:20 PM

Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 04, 2020, 07:15:54 PM
I read how several schools have cancelled domestic travel for their sports groups. This is where fear mongering takes full effect. Let's say Penn State doesn't want to travel to Pittsburgh for fear of the virus. Is the school banning students from traveling to Pittsburgh to see their families? What's the difference?

Just absolute craziness...especially when, in most cities, there's were more deaths from shootings or drug use today than from this virus.

China went from first signs to total hell in a month. US is in the first week of that journey  - and it's anyone's guess if same thing is going to happen, or weak government would make it worse.
Yes, for now there are just a few deaths - but who knows if it would be few tens or few tens thousands in a month? I am not betting here.
CDC failed miserably so far, and apparently there were no whistleblowers in medical community. If what happened so far is not a wake up call... prepare for the worst.

Quote from: MikieTimT on March 04, 2020, 07:47:30 PM
There aren't likely to be as many deaths here with better medical treatment, but the culture of work in this country means that there will be lots of opportunity for transmission as most people work through sickness with the lack of paid sick days or fear of retribution otherwise.  Most healthy people will just assume they have a mild cold or flu and push through just like they normally do.

Quote from: stormwatch7721 on March 04, 2020, 07:55:13 PM
This is just scaring me with the way cases are rising.

Quote from: stormwatch7721 on March 04, 2020, 08:06:29 PM
I didn't see your thread.

Quote from: US71 on March 03, 2020, 11:32:46 AM
There are unconfirmed reports of several people infected in Arkansas. 

On a semi-related note,  the St. Francis County Sheriff's Office has offered free testing of meth for Corona virus ;)
https://www.foxnews.com/us/arkansas-police-offer-to-test-meth-for-coronavirus-better-safe-than-sorry

Quote from: stormwatch7721 on March 04, 2020, 08:06:29 PM
I didn't see your thread.

Quote from: kalvado on March 04, 2020, 08:10:38 PM

Quote from: stormwatch7721 on March 04, 2020, 08:06:29 PM
I didn't see your thread.

@Max Rockatansky is referring to comparison with swine flu, mexican flu, whatever else came and went without major effect.
It is anyone's guess if this is the same situation, and we'll all vaguely remember something few months from now. Or it could be a real thing at the end of the day.

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2020, 08:23:00 PM

Quote from: kalvado on March 04, 2020, 08:10:38 PM

Quote from: stormwatch7721 on March 04, 2020, 08:06:29 PM
I didn't see your thread.

@Max Rockatansky is referring to comparison with swine flu, mexican flu, whatever else came and went without major effect.
It is anyone's guess if this is the same situation, and we'll all vaguely remember something few months from now. Or it could be a real thing at the end of the day.

The concerning thing for me as someone who has been involved in emergency Managment is that every time there is something in news like this the coverage has become increasingly alarmist in nature.  In turn it causes a lot of regular people to panic and do things like clear off shelves at stores or start doing things that grind everyday life to a halt.  Compared to some of those other diseases I listed this is by far the most panicked general response I've seen in my career.  Similarly I've seen similar escalations with natural disasters during the last two decades as well.  On the whole I don't think it is a good thing, it affects people who shouldn't be uprooting their lives and tied up a lot of emergency resources. 

Then again I could be the one who is wrong and pretty soon we'll be settling our disputes via Thunder Dome or Face the Wheel.

Quote from: kalvado on March 04, 2020, 08:29:11 PM

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2020, 08:23:00 PM

Quote from: kalvado on March 04, 2020, 08:10:38 PM

Quote from: stormwatch7721 on March 04, 2020, 08:06:29 PM
I didn't see your thread.

@Max Rockatansky is referring to comparison with swine flu, mexican flu, whatever else came and went without major effect.
It is anyone's guess if this is the same situation, and we'll all vaguely remember something few months from now. Or it could be a real thing at the end of the day.

The concerning thing for me as someone who has been involved in emergency Managment is that every time there is something in news like this the coverage has become increasingly alarmist in nature.  In turn it causes a lot of regular people to panic and do things like clear off shelves at stores or start doing things that grind everyday life to a halt.  Compared to some of those other diseases I listed this is by far the most panicked general response I've seen in my career.  Similarly I've seen similar escalations with natural disasters during the last two decades as well.  On the whole I don't think it is a good thing, it affects people who shouldn't be uprooting their lives and tied up a lot of emergency resources. 

Then again I could be the one who is wrong and pretty soon we'll be settling our disputes via Thunder Dome or Face the Wheel.

One thing for sure - in a month or two we'll know; one way or the other. I wish you're right, though.

Quote from: US71 on March 04, 2020, 08:46:40 PM
There are reports that Pope Francis has contracted the virus.

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2020, 08:23:00 PM

Quote from: kalvado on March 04, 2020, 08:10:38 PM

Quote from: stormwatch7721 on March 04, 2020, 08:06:29 PM
I didn't see your thread.

@Max Rockatansky is referring to comparison with swine flu, mexican flu, whatever else came and went without major effect.
It is anyone's guess if this is the same situation, and we'll all vaguely remember something few months from now. Or it could be a real thing at the end of the day.

The concerning thing for me as someone who has been involved in emergency Managment is that every time there is something in news like this the coverage has become increasingly alarmist in nature.  In turn it causes a lot of regular people to panic and do things like clear off shelves at stores or start doing things that grind everyday life to a halt.

Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 04, 2020, 09:38:47 PM
I've seen a number of people post that certsin high level people ask if the flu shot would help against the virus. Those people laugh and basically can't believe how dumb they are for asking the question.

In the meantime, I'm thinking to myself: You know what else the flu shot hasn't prevented? The flu! Way too often do we hear how the flu shot isn't protecting against the strain that is going around, and the number of people that get the flu shot and get very sick or die is staggering.

Quote from: kalvado on March 04, 2020, 09:45:30 PM

Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 04, 2020, 09:38:47 PM
I've seen a number of people post that certsin high level people ask if the flu shot would help against the virus. Those people laugh and basically can't believe how dumb they are for asking the question.

In the meantime, I'm thinking to myself: You know what else the flu shot hasn't prevented? The flu! Way too often do we hear how the flu shot isn't protecting against the strain that is going around, and the number of people that get the flu shot and get very sick or die is staggering.

Its almost openly said that annual flu shots are pushed in order to support vaccine manufacturing capability, not for health effects.
As a matter of fact, none of EU countries recommends blanket US style vaccinations for everyone.

Quote from: Rothman on March 04, 2020, 10:47:53 PM

Quote from: kalvado on March 04, 2020, 09:45:30 PM

Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 04, 2020, 09:38:47 PM
I've seen a number of people post that certsin high level people ask if the flu shot would help against the virus. Those people laugh and basically can't believe how dumb they are for asking the question.

In the meantime, I'm thinking to myself: You know what else the flu shot hasn't prevented? The flu! Way too often do we hear how the flu shot isn't protecting against the strain that is going around, and the number of people that get the flu shot and get very sick or die is staggering.

Its almost openly said that annual flu shots are pushed in order to support vaccine manufacturing capability, not for health effects.
As a matter of fact, none of EU countries recommends blanket US style vaccinations for everyone.

This is nonsense.  It's to protect those who can't be vaccinated or are more susceptible to the flu.

Quote from: Rothman on March 03, 2020, 09:34:32 PM

Quote from: vdeane on March 03, 2020, 08:51:43 PM
So two people at NYSDOT's Buffalo office came back from Northern Italy with symptoms and went into work as if nothing was happening.

Ugh.  If this is true, it shows how much priorities are out of whack.  NYSDOT employees accrue ample sick leave.

But, if it is just a rumor coming from jerk employees, that's another matter.

Quote from: vdeane on March 05, 2020, 01:00:34 PM

Quote from: Rothman on March 03, 2020, 09:34:32 PM

Quote from: vdeane on March 03, 2020, 08:51:43 PM
So two people at NYSDOT's Buffalo office came back from Northern Italy with symptoms and went into work as if nothing was happening.

Ugh.  If this is true, it shows how much priorities are out of whack.  NYSDOT employees accrue ample sick leave.

But, if it is just a rumor coming from jerk employees, that's another matter.

The two people from Buffalo tested negative.

Quote from: bing101 on March 05, 2020, 02:08:02 PM
https://www.wbir.com/article/news/health/gov-lee-tennessee-has-first-confirmed-case-of-covid-19/51-1ea8f0c3-ee61-4dc2-83a4-e686e556b21f (https://www.wbir.com/article/news/health/gov-lee-tennessee-has-first-confirmed-case-of-covid-19/51-1ea8f0c3-ee61-4dc2-83a4-e686e556b21f)


Tennessee has announced a confirmed case of COVID-19 as of today and more COVID-19 investigations in the Tri-state area.


https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/2-more-covid-19-cases-in-ny-brings-total-to-13-community-spread-eyed-in-possible-nj-case-as-state-awaits-tests/2313298/ (https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/2-more-covid-19-cases-in-ny-brings-total-to-13-community-spread-eyed-in-possible-nj-case-as-state-awaits-tests/2313298/)


https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/local/williamson/franklin/2020/03/05/coronavirus-case-williamson-county-schools/4963281002/ (https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/local/williamson/franklin/2020/03/05/coronavirus-case-williamson-county-schools/4963281002/)


https://wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/northwestern-announces-international-spring-break-trips-canceled-amid-covid-19-concerns/ (https://wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/northwestern-announces-international-spring-break-trips-canceled-amid-covid-19-concerns/)

Quote from: kevinb1994 on March 05, 2020, 03:48:46 PM

Quote from: bing101 on March 05, 2020, 02:08:02 PM
https://www.wbir.com/article/news/health/gov-lee-tennessee-has-first-confirmed-case-of-covid-19/51-1ea8f0c3-ee61-4dc2-83a4-e686e556b21f (https://www.wbir.com/article/news/health/gov-lee-tennessee-has-first-confirmed-case-of-covid-19/51-1ea8f0c3-ee61-4dc2-83a4-e686e556b21f)


Tennessee has announced a confirmed case of COVID-19 as of today and more COVID-19 investigations in the Tri-state area.


https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/2-more-covid-19-cases-in-ny-brings-total-to-13-community-spread-eyed-in-possible-nj-case-as-state-awaits-tests/2313298/ (https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/2-more-covid-19-cases-in-ny-brings-total-to-13-community-spread-eyed-in-possible-nj-case-as-state-awaits-tests/2313298/)


https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/local/williamson/franklin/2020/03/05/coronavirus-case-williamson-county-schools/4963281002/ (https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/local/williamson/franklin/2020/03/05/coronavirus-case-williamson-county-schools/4963281002/)


https://wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/northwestern-announces-international-spring-break-trips-canceled-amid-covid-19-concerns/ (https://wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/northwestern-announces-international-spring-break-trips-canceled-amid-covid-19-concerns/)

Florida has another case reported; this time in Santa Rosa County.

Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 05, 2020, 01:25:27 PM

Quote from: vdeane on March 05, 2020, 01:00:34 PM

Quote from: Rothman on March 03, 2020, 09:34:32 PM

Quote from: vdeane on March 03, 2020, 08:51:43 PM
So two people at NYSDOT's Buffalo office came back from Northern Italy with symptoms and went into work as if nothing was happening.

Ugh.  If this is true, it shows how much priorities are out of whack.  NYSDOT employees accrue ample sick leave.

But, if it is just a rumor coming from jerk employees, that's another matter.

The two people from Buffalo tested negative.

Good.

And as to Rothman's comment, while it's true government employees get a lot of sick time, there's also just as many that abuse that time.  Some people, such as me, have hoards of time.  Some others, like a few coworkers of mine, could find themselves without any time by the end of this month!

Quote from: AlexandriaVA on March 05, 2020, 10:36:48 PM
I think it's fair to assume that every major metro area will have cases

Quote from: Tonytone on March 06, 2020, 10:39:14 AM
One thing I hope this event brings is...

1.More Respect for Healthcare & stocking piling supplies for our country, Medical & etc.

2.Making china respect healthcode & environmental laws.

3.Common sense. COMMON SENSE.

4.More funding for WHO/CDC & any other health program.

5.It would be good to note that people still Die from STD's other viruses & life everyday.


iPhone

Quote from: Tonytone on March 06, 2020, 10:39:14 AM
One thing I hope this event brings is...

1.More Respect for Healthcare & stocking piling supplies for our country, Medical & etc.

2.Making china respect healthcode & environmental laws.

3.Common sense. COMMON SENSE.

4.More funding for WHO/CDC & any other health program.

5.It would be good to note that people still Die from STD's other viruses & life everyday.


iPhone

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 06, 2020, 10:59:52 AM

Quote from: Tonytone on March 06, 2020, 10:39:14 AM
One thing I hope this event brings is...

1.More Respect for Healthcare & stocking piling supplies for our country, Medical & etc.

2.Making china respect healthcode & environmental laws.

3.Common sense. COMMON SENSE.

4.More funding for WHO/CDC & any other health program.

5.It would be good to note that people still Die from STD's other viruses & life everyday.


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More than likely people on a general won't even level won't even remember much if anything, that's kind of human nature to do.  It happens that way with natural disasters or really much of anything notable in the news.

Quote from: kalvado on March 06, 2020, 11:02:26 AM

Quote from: Tonytone on March 06, 2020, 10:39:14 AM
One thing I hope this event brings is...

1.More Respect for Healthcare & stocking piling supplies for our country, Medical & etc.

2.Making china respect healthcode & environmental laws.

3.Common sense. COMMON SENSE.

4.More funding for WHO/CDC & any other health program.

5.It would be good to note that people still Die from STD's other viruses & life everyday.


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1. CDC failed MISERABLY. Respect should be earned, not begged for. Healthcare system needs some people fired. And I don't mean HR style firing, I mean old style one with a good firing squad.
2. China showed how to deal with infection. First world countries showed how to fail it.  See 1.
3. No way. We have democracy instead.
4. More efficiency in spending funds, you mean?
5. Life is an STD disease, inevitably leading to a fatal outcome.

Quote from: Tonytone on March 06, 2020, 11:42:58 AM

Quote from: kalvado on March 06, 2020, 11:02:26 AM

Quote from: Tonytone on March 06, 2020, 10:39:14 AM
One thing I hope this event brings is...

1.More Respect for Healthcare & stocking piling supplies for our country, Medical & etc.

2.Making china respect healthcode & environmental laws.

3.Common sense. COMMON SENSE.

4.More funding for WHO/CDC & any other health program.

5.It would be good to note that people still Die from STD's other viruses & life everyday.


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1. CDC failed MISERABLY. Respect should be earned, not begged for. Healthcare system needs some people fired. And I don't mean HR style firing, I mean old style one with a good firing squad.
2. China showed how to deal with infection. First world countries showed how to fail it.  See 1.
3. No way. We have democracy instead.
4. More efficiency in spending funds, you mean?
5. Life is an STD disease, inevitably leading to a fatal outcome.

1. They did fail miserably, thats why we need to put people in there with respect & knowledge to prevent & do more. I agree with the firing squad 100%

2. Yes China has shown us all what to do. Lock people in their homes & burn the bodies.....

3. Oh yes I forgot the real people that run the country. The trailer trash mentality

4. Yes thats true. I forgot those programs are ACTUALLY funded.

5. I never thought of that before


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Quote from: kalvado on March 06, 2020, 11:56:55 AM

Quote from: Tonytone on March 06, 2020, 11:42:58 AM

Quote from: kalvado on March 06, 2020, 11:02:26 AM

Quote from: Tonytone on March 06, 2020, 10:39:14 AM
One thing I hope this event brings is...

1.More Respect for Healthcare & stocking piling supplies for our country, Medical & etc.

2.Making china respect healthcode & environmental laws.

3.Common sense. COMMON SENSE.

4.More funding for WHO/CDC & any other health program.

5.It would be good to note that people still Die from STD's other viruses & life everyday.


iPhone

1. CDC failed MISERABLY. Respect should be earned, not begged for. Healthcare system needs some people fired. And I don't mean HR style firing, I mean old style one with a good firing squad.
2. China showed how to deal with infection. First world countries showed how to fail it.  See 1.
3. No way. We have democracy instead.
4. More efficiency in spending funds, you mean?
5. Life is an STD disease, inevitably leading to a fatal outcome.

1. They did fail miserably, thats why we need to put people in there with respect & knowledge to prevent & do more. I agree with the firing squad 100%

2. Yes China has shown us all what to do. Lock people in their homes & burn the bodies.....

3. Oh yes I forgot the real people that run the country. The trailer trash mentality

4. Yes thats true. I forgot those programs are ACTUALLY funded.

5. I never thought of that before


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1. Professionals don't come out of thin air. ANy idea who would be  "put" in place?
2. There is very little else you can do. If you look around, people are unhappy with minimal steps - like limiting travel or meetings. Look no further than this thread.
3. Yes, real people who are not prepared to act. Democratic procedures defeating common sense. Less taxes, more spending..
4. How much you are willing to shell out for that in YOUR 1040?

Quote from: kalvado on March 06, 2020, 11:02:26 AM
2. China showed how to deal with infection. First world countries showed how to fail it.  See 1.

Quote from: kalvado on March 06, 2020, 11:02:26 AM
2. China showed how to deal with infection. First world countries showed how to fail it.  See 1.

Quote from: kalvado on March 05, 2020, 06:55:10 AM

Quote from: Rothman on March 04, 2020, 10:47:53 PM

Quote from: kalvado on March 04, 2020, 09:45:30 PM

Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 04, 2020, 09:38:47 PM
I've seen a number of people post that certsin high level people ask if the flu shot would help against the virus. Those people laugh and basically can't believe how dumb they are for asking the question.

In the meantime, I'm thinking to myself: You know what else the flu shot hasn't prevented? The flu! Way too often do we hear how the flu shot isn't protecting against the strain that is going around, and the number of people that get the flu shot and get very sick or die is staggering.

Its almost openly said that annual flu shots are pushed in order to support vaccine manufacturing capability, not for health effects.
As a matter of fact, none of EU countries recommends blanket US style vaccinations for everyone.

This is nonsense.  It's to protect those who can't be vaccinated or are more susceptible to the flu.

Thing is, herd immunity - that is the effect you're talking about - is pretty real, and is a does work.
Problem is that not all vaccines (and all infections) are created equal. Flu vaccine, in particular, has a very low efficiency, well below 50% on average. This is CDC data, I am not making things up. Just for comparison, one dose of MMR vaccine is 93% effective against measles, 78% effective against mumps, and 97% effective against rubella - and there are multiple doses. Herd effect requires efficiencies in 90s to work.
So there is no herd immunity for flu vaccine - and this argument doesn't hold water. If it was the primary reasons, vaccinations would be called off once efficiency falls below certain threshold. I do rememeber though CDC specifically calling for continuing vaccinations when vaccine was especially bad and efficiency fell below 20%. So.. Nope, that is not the reason for flu.

Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 06, 2020, 12:29:39 PM

Quote from: kalvado on March 06, 2020, 11:02:26 AM
2. China showed how to deal with infection. First world countries showed how to fail it.  See 1.

What did China do to deal with it?

Editting to add: There's a number of articles that detail what China did wrong, especially at the start of this virus.  And it would seem that if they showed how to deal with it, it wouldn't have become a world-wide issue.

Quote from: vdeane on March 06, 2020, 12:56:58 PM

Quote from: kalvado on March 06, 2020, 11:02:26 AM
2. China showed how to deal with infection. First world countries showed how to fail it.  See 1.

No, they didn't.  In fact, they were a big fat epic fail.  When the virus first emerged, instead of working to contain it, they instead decided to cover it up, arresting any doctors who wouldn't help (one later died of the virus).  Had they done things properly, it would have never left Wuhan, much less spread to the rest of the world.

Quote from: Rothman on March 06, 2020, 01:08:31 PMI'll take the recommendations of my medical providers over your armchair analysis.

Quote from: jakeroot on March 06, 2020, 02:13:42 PM
Some of you know that I go to the University of Washington (my tagline on the left might give it away). Because an employee just tested positive this morning or last night, I am now out of school until after Spring Break:

UW cancels in-person classes amid coronavirus outbreak (http://www.king5.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/university-of-washington-cancels-in-person-classes-beginning-monday/281-fcd159a9-1ea1-428b-9346-3fabe7104b7a) (from King 5 Seattle)

https://www.washington.edu/coronavirus

Not sure what about the situation will change between now and a couple weeks from now, but with winter quarter finals just around the corner, this is definitely more than a little annoying.

Quote from: kalvado on March 06, 2020, 02:15:14 PM

Quote from: Rothman on March 06, 2020, 01:08:31 PMI'll take the recommendations of my medical providers over your armchair analysis.

Which is, certainly, a very reasonable approach.
However, to put things on professional vs professional level:
this is what EU countries recommend for flu vaccination (I am doing a screenshot as direct links don't work; start from here if you want to: https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/seasonal-influenza/prevention-and-control/vaccination-schedule)
https://i.imgur.com/RR3jk0f.jpg
As you can see, EU policies is drastically different from US. Do you think European doctors are not professional, or you would say there is a room for discussion as they most likely have some clue and their opinion is different?

Quote from: Bruce on March 06, 2020, 02:54:56 PM
One thing this outbreak should make clear: the entire healthcare system in this country is broken and needs to be entirely replaced. Single-payer is the best way to go, because there is no incentive today for someone with mild symptoms of what could be coronavirus to visit a hospital and pay $3,000 to get tested. They will continue to spread the virus around until it is too late.

Quote from: Rothman on March 06, 2020, 02:58:46 PM

Quote from: kalvado on March 06, 2020, 02:15:14 PM

Quote from: Rothman on March 06, 2020, 01:08:31 PMI'll take the recommendations of my medical providers over your armchair analysis.

Which is, certainly, a very reasonable approach.
However, to put things on professional vs professional level:
this is what EU countries recommend for flu vaccination (I am doing a screenshot as direct links don't work; start from here if you want to: https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/seasonal-influenza/prevention-and-control/vaccination-schedule)
https://i.imgur.com/RR3jk0f.jpg
As you can see, EU policies is drastically different from US. Do you think European doctors are not professional, or you would say there is a room for discussion as they most likely have some clue and their opinion is different?

I think the EU is far away and EU experts operate within a different context than US experts.  Surprisingly, it sounds like the flu shot is more available and affordable in the US.  Makes me wonder if the same conditions existed in the EU if their policy would be different.

Quote from: J N Winkler on March 06, 2020, 03:12:11 PM

Quote from: Bruce on March 06, 2020, 02:54:56 PM
One thing this outbreak should make clear: the entire healthcare system in this country is broken and needs to be entirely replaced. Single-payer is the best way to go, because there is no incentive today for someone with mild symptoms of what could be coronavirus to visit a hospital and pay $3,000 to get tested. They will continue to spread the virus around until it is too late.

"It's a shame to allow a crisis to go to waste."

Quote from: kalvado on March 06, 2020, 03:23:40 PMWell, thing is - PCR tests are pricey. and this is an interesting conflict between coronavirus being a public health emergency and cost still billed to the patient, one way or the other. Not to mention the treatment - whoever makes remdesivir is not giving it out for free.

May very well contribute to the spread as holding people by force so they can get paid service is a legal non-starter.

Quote from: J N Winkler on March 06, 2020, 03:37:54 PM


As someone who supports single-payer, I am honestly surprised we are (so far) containing coronavirus as well as we have been.  There have been glaring failures in countries that do have socialized medicine--Italy comes to mind--and I am under no illusions that socializing health care will end rationing.  But, yes, an up-front cost to seek treatment amounts to a perverse incentive that may well complicate containment.

Quote from: J N Winkler on March 06, 2020, 03:37:54 PM

Quote from: kalvado on March 06, 2020, 03:23:40 PMWell, thing is - PCR tests are pricey. and this is an interesting conflict between coronavirus being a public health emergency and cost still billed to the patient, one way or the other. Not to mention the treatment - whoever makes remdesivir is not giving it out for free.

May very well contribute to the spread as holding people by force so they can get paid service is a legal non-starter.

As someone who supports single-payer, I am honestly surprised we are (so far) containing coronavirus as well as we have been.  There have been glaring failures in countries that do have socialized medicine--Italy comes to mind--and I am under no illusions that socializing health care will end rationing.  But, yes, an up-front cost to seek treatment amounts to a perverse incentive that may well complicate containment.

Quote from: US71 on March 06, 2020, 04:10:36 PM

Quote from: J N Winkler on March 06, 2020, 03:37:54 PM


As someone who supports single-payer, I am honestly surprised we are (so far) containing coronavirus as well as we have been.  There have been glaring failures in countries that do have socialized medicine--Italy comes to mind--and I am under no illusions that socializing health care will end rationing.  But, yes, an up-front cost to seek treatment amounts to a perverse incentive that may well complicate containment.

Maybe because not everyone believes malarkey coming from  our politicians and there are medical professionals ready to roll at the first sign of trouble? (just a thought)

Quote from: Bruce on March 06, 2020, 05:05:27 PM

Quote from: US71 on March 06, 2020, 04:10:36 PM

Quote from: J N Winkler on March 06, 2020, 03:37:54 PM


As someone who supports single-payer, I am honestly surprised we are (so far) containing coronavirus as well as we have been.  There have been glaring failures in countries that do have socialized medicine--Italy comes to mind--and I am under no illusions that socializing health care will end rationing.  But, yes, an up-front cost to seek treatment amounts to a perverse incentive that may well complicate containment.

Maybe because not everyone believes malarkey coming from  our politicians and there are medical professionals ready to roll at the first sign of trouble? (just a thought)

It's extremely fortunate that one of our local hospitals (which has been receiving some coronavirus patients) ended their strike a month ago. There are still shortages in available doctors here because of cuts from the privately-run hospital systems and the number of tests available from the federal government are a drop in the bucket compared to where we should be testing. Several local nonprofit groups have had to step in and do their own testing because the CDC has been weakened so much by the current administration. It's an embarrassment to the country.

We probably have hundreds of untested cases in the Seattle area and no capacity to find them through testing until it's too late, either after a large-scale infection or death of the patient.

Quote from: kalvado on March 06, 2020, 04:20:31 PMI talked to my friend in France literally 15 minutes ago. He's in quarantine after travel (within EU), and developed some fever. After phone interview it was decided he doesn't deserve the test, quarantine extended by 7 days, tests are not cheap to spend them on almost healthy people...

Quote from: stormwatch7721 on March 06, 2020, 06:43:32 PM
I still don't get on how the coronavirus has more cases than SARS.

Quote from: vdeane on March 06, 2020, 09:54:02 PM

Quote from: stormwatch7721 on March 06, 2020, 06:43:32 PM
I still don't get on how the coronavirus has more cases than SARS.

SARS had a tendency to kill its victims before they could spread it to too many other people.  Coronavirus doesn't.

Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on March 07, 2020, 04:17:41 AM
And I believe that number is underestimated, due to uninsured people that don't want to get tested because they cannot afford to pay. The figures in countries that have public health services are more likely to be accurate, and these countries are more able to control an outbreak (but again, there may be some that have escaped).

QuoteThe figures in countries that have public health services are more likely to be accurate, and these countries are more able to control an outbreak (but again, there may be some that have escaped). As of now there are almost 400 known cases in Spain, but that has also skyrocketed last week.

Quote from: roadman65 on March 07, 2020, 10:35:57 AM
Florida has 2 in Hillsborough, 1 in Manatee, and another in Santa Rosa.

Our Governor is placing the health department on alert, and has all toll collectors wearing rubber or nitril gloves while we handle money.  Considering some women store their money in their bras and many derelicts come through with dirty money (as dirty as their clothes) it is a sound idea.

Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 07, 2020, 10:48:12 AM

Quote from: roadman65 on March 07, 2020, 10:35:57 AM
Florida has 2 in Hillsborough, 1 in Manatee, and another in Santa Rosa.

Our Governor is placing the health department on alert, and has all toll collectors wearing rubber or nitril gloves while we handle money.  Considering some women store their money in their bras and many derelicts come through with dirty money (as dirty as their clothes) it is a sound idea.

The NJ Turnpike after the anthrax cases in NJ wanted us to wear gloves. I think I did for a week before I decided to risk my life by touching money directly. I'm glad to say I lived.

It was funny though to watch motorists put on gloves to handle money. They put on gloves, touch their wallets, touch the money, touch the steering wheel, touch their clothing, get their change, put the money in their wallet,  take the gloves off, then touch everything that the gloves had touched, meaning everything they did went for naught as the gloves simply spread the germs around anyway.

Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 07, 2020, 09:21:23 AMThis makes no friggen sense whatsoever. Spain supposedly has a great mostly free healthcare system. You say that European countries with free healthcare can contain the virus, then state the cases are skyrocketing. What the hell is the government feeding you over there?!

Quote from: kalvado on March 07, 2020, 08:26:26 AMAgain from friends in Italy - no tests until there is difficulty breathing and high fever.

Sounds like Europe just gave up

Quote from: roadman65 on March 07, 2020, 12:26:40 PM
I have learned one thing and that is do not trust social media or the news!  Not defending arguments about Conservative babble about a fake news, as my opinion I have learned is that everything is all hype these days.  We live in a world where we gossip more than ever due to cell phones and the web, so news travels fast and also is distorted along the way.

I look at it this way, cancer kills, the flu kills, and even other ailments kill, yet we are treating this like its the first fatal disease since either ape became man or Adam popped into existence (whichever way you believe humanity started). 

Something has got to kill us and there is no guarantee that we all are supposed to live to near 100.  We need to live our lives and not worry about another illness of among many out there that can be fatal.

Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on March 07, 2020, 04:17:41 AM

Quote from: vdeane on March 06, 2020, 09:54:02 PM

Quote from: stormwatch7721 on March 06, 2020, 06:43:32 PM
I still don't get on how the coronavirus has more cases than SARS.

SARS had a tendency to kill its victims before they could spread it to too many other people.  Coronavirus doesn't.

The SARS virus was also a coronavirus. It's like "Holland" and "Netherlands".

Quote from: vdeane on March 07, 2020, 10:32:31 PM

Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on March 07, 2020, 04:17:41 AMThe SARS virus was also a coronavirus. It's like "Holland" and "Netherlands".

At least in the US, nobody cares about the technicality.  "Coronavirus" is used colloquially to refer specifically to this outbreak.

To update what I originally posted, I was reading today that there was one other distinction between SARS and the coronavirus people colloquially call coronavirus that causes the latter to spread so much more: SARS could only spread when a person was showing symptoms, not before.

Quote from: bing101 on March 08, 2020, 09:12:14 AM
https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/where-coronvirus-bay-area-covid-19-santa-clara-15103180.php (https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/where-coronvirus-bay-area-covid-19-santa-clara-15103180.php)




An Update a Ship reported to have infected COVID-19 victims could head to the Port of Oakland on Monday.

Quote from: Bruce on March 08, 2020, 02:09:18 PM
Cruise ships are just all around awful for everyone and everything. It's like tolerating toxic sludge.

They pollute and don't have a real economic justification unlike planes and cargo ships; the small towns they stop at aren't benefiting much if at all; the ships are staffed with underpaid and exploited workers while skirting employment laws by using different ports of registry; they harm the marine life they pass over and often dump waste into the water without proper treatment; and finally, they are a paradise for diseases like norovirus and COVID-19.

Quote from: Bruce on March 08, 2020, 02:09:18 PM
Cruise ships are just all around awful for everyone and everything. It's like tolerating toxic sludge.

They pollute and don't have a real economic justification unlike planes and cargo ships; the small towns they stop at aren't benefiting much if at all; the ships are staffed with underpaid and exploited workers while skirting employment laws by using different ports of registry; they harm the marine life they pass over and often dump waste into the water without proper treatment; and finally, they are a paradise for diseases like norovirus and COVID-19.

Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 08, 2020, 03:48:30 PM
https://www.inquirer.com/news/nation-world/italy-announces-quarantine-affecting-quarter-population-20200308.html

Quote from: SSOWorld on March 08, 2020, 03:11:49 PM
They're giant petri dishes as it is.  Not to say that nothing else is one - large businesses, planes, mega conferences (like SXSW), etc. 

Quote from: J N Winkler on March 09, 2020, 12:03:14 AM
As of now (shortly after 11 PM Central time), the US has 554 cases.

Quote from: 02 Park Ave on March 09, 2020, 10:39:35 AM
Since no level of government here in the US is actually trying to contain the Virus, we can only expect the worst.

Quote from: kalvado on March 09, 2020, 12:26:50 AMExpect 1500 by next week, 15k by 04/01, million by end of May. Favorable conditions overall as peak goes into summer when it may be easier to handle.

Quote from: 02 Park Ave on March 09, 2020, 10:39:35 AM
Since no level of government here in the US is actually trying to contain the Virus, we can only expect the worst.

Quote from: stormwatch7721 on March 09, 2020, 11:32:51 AM

Quote from: 02 Park Ave on March 09, 2020, 10:39:35 AM
Since no level of government here in the US is actually trying to contain the Virus, we can only expect the worst.

Hence why I'm worried about the coronavirus

LGL322DL

Quote from: US71 on March 09, 2020, 12:29:43 PM

Quote from: stormwatch7721 on March 09, 2020, 11:32:51 AM

Quote from: 02 Park Ave on March 09, 2020, 10:39:35 AM
Since no level of government here in the US is actually trying to contain the Virus, we can only expect the worst.

Hence why I'm worried about the coronavirus

LGL322DL

Don't worry, be happy  ;o)

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 09, 2020, 12:44:54 PM

Quote from: US71 on March 09, 2020, 12:29:43 PM

Quote from: stormwatch7721 on March 09, 2020, 11:32:51 AM

Quote from: 02 Park Ave on March 09, 2020, 10:39:35 AM
Since no level of government here in the US is actually trying to contain the Virus, we can only expect the worst.

Hence why I'm worried about the coronavirus

LGL322DL

Don't worry, be happy  ;o)

There is no point sitting around worrying about getting sick.  Anyone could in theory end up getting killed from an endless number of afflictions or incidents pretty much at any time.  It seems totally pointless to alter one's life or at least stew about a disease that you probably won't get. 

Quote from: US71 on March 09, 2020, 12:48:03 PM

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 09, 2020, 12:44:54 PM

Quote from: US71 on March 09, 2020, 12:29:43 PM

Quote from: stormwatch7721 on March 09, 2020, 11:32:51 AM

Quote from: 02 Park Ave on March 09, 2020, 10:39:35 AM
Since no level of government here in the US is actually trying to contain the Virus, we can only expect the worst.

Hence why I'm worried about the coronavirus

LGL322DL

Don't worry, be happy  ;o)

There is no point sitting around worrying about getting sick.  Anyone could in theory end up getting killed from an endless number of afflictions or incidents pretty much at any time.  It seems totally pointless to alter one's life or at least stew about a disease that you probably won't get. 

I am concerned, but not worried...yet.

Quote from: 02 Park Ave on March 09, 2020, 10:39:35 AM
Since no level of government here in the US is actually trying to contain the Virus, we can only expect the worst.

Quote from: TheGrassGuy on March 09, 2020, 03:39:35 PMDoes the 1/4 part of Italy that is under quarantine even border any other nations? Because in case you are unaware, Italy is a boot shape that is 3/4 surrounded by water.

Quote from: TheGrassGuy on March 09, 2020, 03:39:35 PM

Quote from: vdeane on March 09, 2020, 01:13:38 PM
Honestly, I'm surprised the other EU nations didn't implement temporary border controls once Italy became part of the hot zone.

Does the 1/4 part of Italy that is under quarantine even border any other nations? Because in case you are unaware, Italy is a boot shape that is 3/4 surrounded by water.

Quote from: kalvado on March 09, 2020, 03:52:44 PM

Quote from: TheGrassGuy on March 09, 2020, 03:39:35 PM

Quote from: vdeane on March 09, 2020, 01:13:38 PM
Honestly, I'm surprised the other EU nations didn't implement temporary border controls once Italy became part of the hot zone.

Does the 1/4 part of Italy that is under quarantine even border any other nations? Because in case you are unaware, Italy is a boot shape that is 3/4 surrounded by water.

Actually it's the upper part of the boot where action is. A lot of it is mountains, but Venice (orange zone) to Villach, Austria (where one of my friends lives) is 120 miles as crow flies and 155 mile drive. They actually have a few people who commute across the border from Italy - those were told to work from home about a week ago.

Quote from: bandit957 on March 09, 2020, 07:10:02 PM
I refuse to cancel anything over this.

Quote from: bandit957 on March 09, 2020, 07:10:02 PM
I refuse to cancel anything over this.

QuoteA Virginia Beach couple tested for the coronavirus on Sunday said lab results show they have the infectious disease.

They are the first known coronavirus cases in Hampton Roads.

The couple, who are not being named by The Virginian-Pilot because they are concerned about community alienation and possible repercussions at the wife's job, said they received a call Tuesday telling them the results. The medical team on the line included Sentara Healthcare and state health department officials, the husband, a 68-year-old man retired from the Navy, said.

He and his wife, 58, were told the finding is only presumed as positive until it is validated by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

"It confirmed what we thought,"  he said Tuesday. "It was like, "˜I'm not nuts, we really do have this.'"

The Virginia Beach Health Department confirmed that the two are thought to be positive for COVID-19, the infection caused by a new coronavirus rapidly spreading around the world. Their cases and another reported by state officials raised the statewide tally to eight by Tuesday afternoon.

So far all cases in Virginia have been travel-related, health officials said.

"We are aware that exposure for these two individuals are travel related,"  said Virginia Beach health director Demetria Lindsay in a news release. "The Public Health Department is in close communication with the two travelers and their care providers, and is conducting a thorough investigation of potential exposures. The two individuals are in stable condition and remain in isolation at this time."

The Virginian-Pilot first reported on the couple's case Monday, after the two said they had an upsetting experience trying to get medical care and testing at Sentara hospitals in South Hampton Roads on Friday and over the weekend.

They believe they contracted the illness while on a Nile River cruise in Egypt. The husband said he began to feel like he was getting a sinus infection on the last few days of their trip, while his wife felt flu-like symptoms on their returning flight into Dulles International Airport.

They said they first went to Sentara Leigh Hospital in Norfolk on Friday but were sent home because they didn't meet the state health department or CDC's criteria for coronavirus testing. After leaving phone messages with the health department, the couple said they eventually got a call back on Sunday, advising them they could be tested.

Their samples were collected that day at Sentara Princess Anne Hospital in Virginia Beach and sent to a state lab.

The couple, which has been self-isolating at home, said they will be providing information to public health officials on their whereabouts since coming back to the United States. They expect more calls throughout the day with medical personnel.

"It sounds like they're going to hold our hands through the rest of this,"  the man said.

Without identifying these specific patients, Sentara released a statement Tuesday afternoon indicating it had seen individuals who tested positive for the infectious disease and was monitoring their cases.

The hospital system is reaching out to people who might have come in contact with them.

"Out of an abundance of caution we are proactively communicating with any individual who may have had potential exposure to the patients while at our hospital,"  said Kelsea Smith, a Sentara spokeswoman.

On Tuesday the husband said he was feeling somewhat better, though he had a fever overnight, and his wife is battling a cough. They are treating their symptoms with over-the-counter pain relievers.

State health officials have set up a helpline, 877-ASK-VDH3, for questions from residents about the novel coronavirus situation.

Quote from: Rothman on March 10, 2020, 05:05:13 PM
My daughter's college is having students vacate in a week, go on break for a couple of weeks and then attend class remotely.

Quote from: kalvado on March 10, 2020, 05:15:38 PM

Quote from: Rothman on March 10, 2020, 05:05:13 PM
My daughter's college is having students vacate in a week, go on break for a couple of weeks and then attend class remotely.

Many places do that. RPI announced that, for example.
It makes some sense, especially since online teaching is already a big thing for a while. I don't know how labs are going to be arranged (postponed), but for a lot of classes this should be pretty easy.

Quote from: Rothman on March 10, 2020, 05:28:40 PM

Quote from: kalvado on March 10, 2020, 05:15:38 PM

Quote from: Rothman on March 10, 2020, 05:05:13 PM
My daughter's college is having students vacate in a week, go on break for a couple of weeks and then attend class remotely.

Many places do that. RPI announced that, for example.
It makes some sense, especially since online teaching is already a big thing for a while. I don't know how labs are going to be arranged (postponed), but for a lot of classes this should be pretty easy.

Attending online just isn't the same, as anyone who's attended web meetings can say.

I also just wonder about access to resources.  Horticulture students without access to the greenhouses?  What about the library?

And, of course, mum's the word on any sort of refund for dorm or meal plans.

Quote from: Rothman on March 10, 2020, 05:28:40 PMI also just wonder about access to resources.  Horticulture students without access to the greenhouses?  What about the library?

Quote from: kalvado on March 10, 2020, 05:15:38 PM
It makes some sense, especially since online teaching is already a big thing for a while. I don't know how labs are going to be arranged (postponed), but for a lot of classes this should be pretty easy.

Quote from: J N Winkler on March 10, 2020, 07:55:07 PM

Quote from: Rothman on March 10, 2020, 05:28:40 PMI also just wonder about access to resources.  Horticulture students without access to the greenhouses?  What about the library?

I serve on the board of my local public library, which operates as a department of Wichita city government, and I have been mulling over the possibility that we may be ordered to close as part of a wider containment effort.  We do have a pandemic scenario in our continuity-of-operations plan and it provides for staff cross-training and staggered closure so that we can stay open (at no greater risk to the public than other places that also remain open) even if employee absenteeism reaches very high levels, but if we close completely, customers will be limited to ebooks, online services, and other remote resources.  This is a recipe for trouble on the other side of the digital divide.

Quote from: webny99 on March 10, 2020, 02:25:22 PM
Well, fortunately for us, I would assume the roads would be the last thing to close.
It would be ironic, in the midst of all the fears of traveling, if gas falls to 99 cents a gallon for the first time this century.. :meh:

Quote from: stormwatch7721 on March 10, 2020, 11:38:14 PM
This is the scariest thing I've heard in my life.

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 11, 2020, 12:05:39 AM

Quote from: stormwatch7721 on March 10, 2020, 11:38:14 PM
This is the scariest thing I've heard in my life.

As opposed to all those near misses that almost started Nuclear War during the waning years of the Cold War?  9/11 was pretty bad, the Oklahoma City Bombing was pretty up there too, and I'm sure that there are others that exceed this virus stuff pretty handily State Side in the past 33 years.

Quote from: bandit957 on March 11, 2020, 12:10:28 AM

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 11, 2020, 12:05:39 AM

Quote from: stormwatch7721 on March 10, 2020, 11:38:14 PM
This is the scariest thing I've heard in my life.

As opposed to all those near misses that almost started Nuclear War during the waning years of the Cold War?  9/11 was pretty bad, the Oklahoma City Bombing was pretty up there too, and I'm sure that there are others that exceed this virus stuff pretty handily State Side in the past 33 years.

I don't think it's scary except for the potential reaction. I've waded through a lot of germy messes created by slobs, and those probably had a more direct effect on me.

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 11, 2020, 12:15:58 AM
The reaction is kind of bewildering to me.  I can't fathom that the general public, media, and political figure would have been acting with such alarm State Side even a decade ago.  I kind of feel as though the reaction is kind of unnatural or more being driven by a lot of factors that haven't been present in the past.  I guess it remains to be seen if that ends up being a net good or net bad thing.

Quote from: bandit957 on March 11, 2020, 12:17:18 AM

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 11, 2020, 12:15:58 AM
The reaction is kind of bewildering to me.  I can't fathom that the general public, media, and political figure would have been acting with such alarm State Side even a decade ago.  I kind of feel as though the reaction is kind of unnatural or more being driven by a lot of factors that haven't been present in the past.  I guess it remains to be seen if that ends up being a net good or net bad thing.

If the government takes draconian measures to combat this virus, I think the living would envy the dead.

Quote from: J N Winkler on March 11, 2020, 12:53:41 AM
It is 11.45 PM Central time as I post this and the US now has 1025 cases, up from 709 about 24 hours ago.  Today, Italy became the second country (after China) to have a case count in the five figures--10,149 right now.

Upthread, Kalvado predicted 15,000 cases by April 1 and 1 million by May 30.  Today's increase in US cases is basically equivalent to doubling every two days, so if it continues (admittedly a big if), never mind what happens on Memorial Day weekend--we will be at 1 million by April Fool's.

Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 09, 2020, 01:06:36 PM

Quote from: 02 Park Ave on March 09, 2020, 10:39:35 AM
Since no level of government here in the US is actually trying to contain the Virus, we can only expect the worst.

C) Those people are 'escaping' Italy's quarantined area if they want to.  So if Italy can't contain them, and they make it to other countries and fly to the US, how exactly is the US supposed to stop them?

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 11, 2020, 12:05:39 AM

Quote from: stormwatch7721 on March 10, 2020, 11:38:14 PM
This is the scariest thing I've heard in my life.

As opposed to all those near misses that almost started Nuclear War during the waning years of the Cold War?  9/11 was pretty bad, the Oklahoma City Bombing was pretty up there too, and I'm sure that there are others that exceed this virus stuff pretty handily State Side in the past 33 years. 

Quote from: bandit957 on March 11, 2020, 12:56:32 AM

Quote from: J N Winkler on March 11, 2020, 12:53:41 AM
It is 11.45 PM Central time as I post this and the US now has 1025 cases, up from 709 about 24 hours ago.  Today, Italy became the second country (after China) to have a case count in the five figures--10,149 right now.

Upthread, Kalvado predicted 15,000 cases by April 1 and 1 million by May 30.  Today's increase in US cases is basically equivalent to doubling every two days, so if it continues (admittedly a big if), never mind what happens on Memorial Day weekend--we will be at 1 million by April Fool's.

I know I saw an article that says the pandemic will die down once it reaches a certain number of people - most of whom will show no symptoms. The virus will just have nowhere else to go. But that could take a while - or maybe not, if it keeps spreading this fast.

Quote from: RobbieL2415 on March 11, 2020, 05:14:58 AM

Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 09, 2020, 01:06:36 PM

Quote from: 02 Park Ave on March 09, 2020, 10:39:35 AM
Since no level of government here in the US is actually trying to contain the Virus, we can only expect the worst.

C) Those people are 'escaping' Italy's quarantined area if they want to.  So if Italy can't contain them, and they make it to other countries and fly to the US, how exactly is the US supposed to stop them?

The end result with that would be the FAA closing off airspace for international arrivals and departures.

Quote from: kalvado on March 11, 2020, 07:00:36 AM

Quote from: RobbieL2415 on March 11, 2020, 05:14:58 AM

Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 09, 2020, 01:06:36 PM

Quote from: 02 Park Ave on March 09, 2020, 10:39:35 AM
Since no level of government here in the US is actually trying to contain the Virus, we can only expect the worst.

C) Those people are 'escaping' Italy's quarantined area if they want to.  So if Italy can't contain them, and they make it to other countries and fly to the US, how exactly is the US supposed to stop them?

The end result with that would be the FAA closing off airspace for international arrivals and departures.

There is a lot at play here. Air cargo. Do you think US has enough mask making capacity? China is accelerating after shutdown...
Once you have some traffic across the border, you may not ban citizens from entry. Quarantine, sure.

Israel went further than any other country, 2ith mandatory quarantine for anyone crossing the border. Probably as strict of a control as realistically possible right now.

Quote from: RobbieL2415 on March 11, 2020, 08:29:21 AM

Quote from: kalvado on March 11, 2020, 07:00:36 AM

Quote from: RobbieL2415 on March 11, 2020, 05:14:58 AM

Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 09, 2020, 01:06:36 PM

Quote from: 02 Park Ave on March 09, 2020, 10:39:35 AM
Since no level of government here in the US is actually trying to contain the Virus, we can only expect the worst.

C) Those people are 'escaping' Italy's quarantined area if they want to.  So if Italy can't contain them, and they make it to other countries and fly to the US, how exactly is the US supposed to stop them?

The end result with that would be the FAA closing off airspace for international arrivals and departures.

There is a lot at play here. Air cargo. Do you think US has enough mask making capacity? China is accelerating after shutdown...
Once you have some traffic across the border, you may not ban citizens from entry. Quarantine, sure.

Israel went further than any other country, 2ith mandatory quarantine for anyone crossing the border. Probably as strict of a control as realistically possible right now.

The US embassies would coordinate an evacuation of citizens.  They'd probably contract with US-based airlines.

The ban would only apply to civilian, non-essential air traffic.  Cargo flights carrying essentials would be allowed.

I wouldn't worry about Chinese goods getting here.  Those arrive on container ships bound for LA, San Diego, San Francisco and Seattle.  From there the freight is transferred to intermodal transit, either on the road or via rail to head across the continent.

Quote from: Tonytone on March 11, 2020, 10:48:54 AM
It's interesting to see everyone go crazy.

What im seeing most is people are stockpiling to prepare to be in the house for 2 weeks to a month.

I wonder after all this passes if people & cities will now be cleaning up more Ie: subway cleaning, trash pickup, people cleaning them selves better.


iPhone

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 11, 2020, 10:57:22 AM

Quote from: Tonytone on March 11, 2020, 10:48:54 AM
It's interesting to see everyone go crazy.

What im seeing most is people are stockpiling to prepare to be in the house for 2 weeks to a month.

I wonder after all this passes if people & cities will now be cleaning up more Ie: subway cleaning, trash pickup, people cleaning them selves better.


iPhone

I'm not really getting the whole stock piling off water...especially Costco water.  Even if someone was told to quarantine in place that doesn't mean the tap would be shut off.  As far as I know there isn't any evidence of the current Coronavirus spreading through municipal drinking supplies.  Maybe think that all services will be shut off?  Either way it probably is a good idea to have a two week stock of supplies even just for a random natural disaster of utility failure.

Quote from: Tonytone on March 11, 2020, 11:02:00 AM

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 11, 2020, 10:57:22 AM

Quote from: Tonytone on March 11, 2020, 10:48:54 AM
It's interesting to see everyone go crazy.

What im seeing most is people are stockpiling to prepare to be in the house for 2 weeks to a month.

I wonder after all this passes if people & cities will now be cleaning up more Ie: subway cleaning, trash pickup, people cleaning them selves better.


iPhone

I'm not really getting the whole stock piling off water...especially Costco water.  Even if someone was told to quarantine in place that doesn't mean the tap would be shut off.  As far as I know there isn't any evidence of the current Coronavirus spreading through municipal drinking supplies.  Maybe think that all services will be shut off?  Either way it probably is a good idea to have a two week stock of supplies even just for a random natural disaster of utility failure.

Yea I was confused, I lived in Florida when Hurricane Katrina hit & power was only out for a week & we managed.

Now when Wilma hit, power was out a month & we managed to eat food, take baths by boiling water & shit the restaurant my dad worked at was still open they just hooked a generator up to the main things that needed power.

I understand the preparing, but even if the USA is quarantined for 2 weeks. Im stepping outside on my porch or taking a walk.

Fuck that.


iPhone

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 11, 2020, 10:57:22 AM

Quote from: Tonytone on March 11, 2020, 10:48:54 AM
It's interesting to see everyone go crazy.

What im seeing most is people are stockpiling to prepare to be in the house for 2 weeks to a month.

I wonder after all this passes if people & cities will now be cleaning up more Ie: subway cleaning, trash pickup, people cleaning them selves better.


iPhone

I'm not really getting the whole stock piling off water...especially Costco water.  Even if someone was told to quarantine in place that doesn't mean the tap would be shut off.  As far as I know there isn't any evidence of the current Coronavirus spreading through municipal drinking supplies.  Maybe think that all services will be shut off?  Either way it probably is a good idea to have a two week stock of supplies even just for a random natural disaster of utility failure.

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 11, 2020, 11:10:56 AM

Quote from: Tonytone on March 11, 2020, 11:02:00 AM

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 11, 2020, 10:57:22 AM

Quote from: Tonytone on March 11, 2020, 10:48:54 AM
It's interesting to see everyone go crazy.

What im seeing most is people are stockpiling to prepare to be in the house for 2 weeks to a month.

I wonder after all this passes if people & cities will now be cleaning up more Ie: subway cleaning, trash pickup, people cleaning them selves better.


iPhone

I'm not really getting the whole stock piling off water...especially Costco water.  Even if someone was told to quarantine in place that doesn't mean the tap would be shut off.  As far as I know there isn't any evidence of the current Coronavirus spreading through municipal drinking supplies.  Maybe think that all services will be shut off?  Either way it probably is a good idea to have a two week stock of supplies even just for a random natural disaster of utility failure.

Yea I was confused, I lived in Florida when Hurricane Katrina hit & power was only out for a week & we managed.

Now when Wilma hit, power was out a month & we managed to eat food, take baths by boiling water & shit the restaurant my dad worked at was still open they just hooked a generator up to the main things that needed power.

I understand the preparing, but even if the USA is quarantined for 2 weeks. Im stepping outside on my porch or taking a walk.

Fuck that.


iPhone

When I lived in Florida I was in charge of disaster preparedness for my company which obviously included hurricanes.  We would see a sudden spike of generator purchases every time the Weather Channel said we were in the "Cone of Uncertainty"  with an incoming storm.  Almost all those generators came back once the storm passed, it was usually a 90% chance it would miss.  Even in the worst case scenarios things were generally far from the "worst case"  that everyone was told to prepare for.  Should that mean that people shouldn't have emergency supplies?...no I wouldn't say that.  What would say that it was probably pretty unreasonable to assume the worst was going to happen in advance of an emergency actually occurring. 

I'm with you on that outdoor activity, I'm a life long distance runner.  To that end sometime the only thing that has ever made me feel better when I've had the Flu or even a Cold was a run outside.  Sick or not there really enough man power to stop people from going for a walk or jogging in their own neighborhoods.

Quote from: ozarkman417 on March 11, 2020, 02:28:22 PM
The Electronic Entertainment Expo (better known as E3) is Los Angeles has been cancelled due to the Coronavirus. The event was scheduled for June 9-11. This is the event where many major video games, consoles, and other software/hardware is announced.

Quote from: bandit957 on March 11, 2020, 03:42:48 PM

Quote from: ozarkman417 on March 11, 2020, 02:28:22 PM
The Electronic Entertainment Expo (better known as E3) is Los Angeles has been cancelled due to the Coronavirus. The event was scheduled for June 9-11. This is the event where many major video games, consoles, and other software/hardware is announced.

Canceling something 3 months away is wuss behavior.

Quote from: Bruce on March 11, 2020, 03:49:50 PM

Quote from: bandit957 on March 11, 2020, 03:42:48 PM

Quote from: ozarkman417 on March 11, 2020, 02:28:22 PM
The Electronic Entertainment Expo (better known as E3) is Los Angeles has been cancelled due to the Coronavirus. The event was scheduled for June 9-11. This is the event where many major video games, consoles, and other software/hardware is announced.

Canceling something 3 months away is wuss behavior.

An international conference of that scale requires advance notice. Take a look at the SXSW situation, which includes layoffs and business closures, for what happens when you don't give advance notice.

Quote from: kalvado on March 11, 2020, 08:53:29 AM

Quote from: RobbieL2415 on March 11, 2020, 08:29:21 AM

Quote from: kalvado on March 11, 2020, 07:00:36 AM

Quote from: RobbieL2415 on March 11, 2020, 05:14:58 AM

Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 09, 2020, 01:06:36 PM

Quote from: 02 Park Ave on March 09, 2020, 10:39:35 AM
Since no level of government here in the US is actually trying to contain the Virus, we can only expect the worst.

C) Those people are 'escaping' Italy's quarantined area if they want to.  So if Italy can't contain them, and they make it to other countries and fly to the US, how exactly is the US supposed to stop them?

The end result with that would be the FAA closing off airspace for international arrivals and departures.

There is a lot at play here. Air cargo. Do you think US has enough mask making capacity? China is accelerating after shutdown...
Once you have some traffic across the border, you may not ban citizens from entry. Quarantine, sure.

Israel went further than any other country, 2ith mandatory quarantine for anyone crossing the border. Probably as strict of a control as realistically possible right now.

The US embassies would coordinate an evacuation of citizens.  They'd probably contract with US-based airlines.

The ban would only apply to civilian, non-essential air traffic.  Cargo flights carrying essentials would be allowed.

I wouldn't worry about Chinese goods getting here.  Those arrive on container ships bound for LA, San Diego, San Francisco and Seattle.  From there the freight is transferred to intermodal transit, either on the road or via rail to head across the continent.

US embassies can do only that much.
As for goods, there is only that much sense in sending them intermodal (3 weeks at sea, 1 week across US)  when MA will run out in a week at a normal rate, and has to use expired stuff from the national emergency stockpile.

Quote from: 1995hoo on March 11, 2020, 05:11:13 PM
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Quote from: 1995hoo on March 11, 2020, 05:11:13 PM
Note what someone highlighted.

Quote from: 1995hoo on March 11, 2020, 05:11:13 PM
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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 11, 2020, 03:54:54 PM
Is E3 even a big deal nowadays?  I haven't a single thing that indicated that it was still going on in at least a decade.

Quote from: TravelingBethelite on March 11, 2020, 04:08:13 PM
Both SUNY and Penn State just cancelled in-person classes through at least the ends of their respective spring breaks.

Quote from: Duke87 on March 11, 2020, 07:02:07 PM

Quote from: TravelingBethelite on March 11, 2020, 04:08:13 PM
Both SUNY and Penn State just cancelled in-person classes through at least the ends of their respective spring breaks.

CUNY too. The amusing thing? My wife, who finished her masters degree there four years ago and hasn't enrolled in any classes since, still got a phone call, text, and email informing her of this.

Quote from: RobbieL2415 on March 11, 2020, 07:52:19 PM
I'm going to say something you may not like, but to hell with avoiding domestic travel.

With all the panic going on, fares for flights and hotel rates are stupid cheap.  I saw some round-trip flights from BDL to LAX for $250.  I saw a bunch of hotels in Midtown Manhattan going for $150 or less, many below $100.  If you're healthy, I say take a chance and go somewhere.  If you get the virus, you get the virus.

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 11, 2020, 08:12:42 PM

Quote from: RobbieL2415 on March 11, 2020, 07:52:19 PM
I'm going to say something you may not like, but to hell with avoiding domestic travel.

With all the panic going on, fares for flights and hotel rates are stupid cheap.  I saw some round-trip flights from BDL to LAX for $250.  I saw a bunch of hotels in Midtown Manhattan going for $150 or less, many below $100.  If you're healthy, I say take a chance and go somewhere.  If you get the virus, you get the virus.

$97 dollars for me to get to Seattle from Fresno if I want to go by month end.  That's almost too irresistible not to take a weekend out Olympic National Park.  I'm looking at hotel prices tonight for a road trip to Boise, I'm not passing up on the opportunity to save a buck and avoid all the crowds.  I'm even considering a snow trip to Yosemite this weekend...why not at this point?

Quote from: Tonytone on March 11, 2020, 08:21:06 PM

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 11, 2020, 08:12:42 PM

Quote from: RobbieL2415 on March 11, 2020, 07:52:19 PM
I'm going to say something you may not like, but to hell with avoiding domestic travel.

With all the panic going on, fares for flights and hotel rates are stupid cheap.  I saw some round-trip flights from BDL to LAX for $250.  I saw a bunch of hotels in Midtown Manhattan going for $150 or less, many below $100.  If you're healthy, I say take a chance and go somewhere.  If you get the virus, you get the virus.

$97 dollars for me to get to Seattle from Fresno if I want to go by month end.  That's almost too irresistible not to take a weekend out Olympic National Park.  I'm looking at hotel prices tonight for a road trip to Boise, I'm not passing up on the opportunity to save a buck and avoid all the crowds.  I'm even considering a snow trip to Yosemite this weekend...why not at this point?

Finally some "Cup is half full"  thinking & not negative.


iPhone

Quote from: wanderer2575 on March 11, 2020, 08:52:45 PM
Attorney television ad, six months later:  "If you or a loved one zealously overused disnfectant and sanitizers, and contracted cancer, you may be entitled to significant compensation!"

Quote from: Bruce on March 11, 2020, 09:15:43 PM
U.S. is suspending all flights to and from Europe for 30 days as part of the response.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/11/coronavirus-trump-suspends-all-travel-from-europe.html

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 11, 2020, 12:05:39 AM

Quote from: stormwatch7721 on March 10, 2020, 11:38:14 PM
This is the scariest thing I've heard in my life.

As opposed to all those near misses that almost started Nuclear War during the waning years of the Cold War?  9/11 was pretty bad, the Oklahoma City Bombing was pretty up there too, and I'm sure that there are others that exceed this virus stuff pretty handily State Side in the past 33 years. 

Quote from: RobbieL2415 on March 11, 2020, 08:29:21 AM

I wouldn't worry about Chinese goods getting here.  Those arrive on container ships bound for LA, San Diego, San Francisco and Seattle.  From there the freight is transferred to intermodal transit, either on the road or via rail to head across the continent.

Quote from: Bruce on March 11, 2020, 09:15:43 PM
U.S. is suspending all flights to and from Europe for 30 days as part of the response.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/11/coronavirus-trump-suspends-all-travel-from-europe.html

Quote from: RobbieL2415 on March 11, 2020, 11:47:34 PM
Also, how soon before we see restrictions on movement between states?

Quote from: bandit957 on March 11, 2020, 11:53:43 PM

Quote from: RobbieL2415 on March 11, 2020, 11:47:34 PM
Also, how soon before we see restrictions on movement between states?

The right to travel within the country kind of puts the kibosh on that.

Quote from: Scott5114 on March 11, 2020, 11:13:51 PM

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 11, 2020, 12:05:39 AM

Quote from: stormwatch7721 on March 10, 2020, 11:38:14 PM
This is the scariest thing I've heard in my life.

As opposed to all those near misses that almost started Nuclear War during the waning years of the Cold War?  9/11 was pretty bad, the Oklahoma City Bombing was pretty up there too, and I'm sure that there are others that exceed this virus stuff pretty handily State Side in the past 33 years. 

The OKC bombing was just some random dipshit that blew up a building downtown, though. After he got arrested the day of, the chance of it affecting anyone who wasn't in the area of the blast itself was basically zero.

Quote from: ErmineNotyours on March 11, 2020, 11:57:27 PM
They had that debate on another thread I followed.  "If we have the right to free assembly, how can the state cancel big events?"  For the same reason you can't shout "fire" in a crowded theater.  Besides, the U.S. already has additional border check stations inland from the border, in Texas for instance, where they can stop you even though you're traveling within the country.

Quote from: ErmineNotyours on March 11, 2020, 11:57:27 PMThey had that debate on another thread I followed.  "If we have the right to free assembly, how can the state cancel big events?"  For the same reason you can't shout "fire" in a crowded theater.  Besides, the U.S. already has additional border check stations inland from the border, in Texas for instance, where they can stop you even though you're traveling within the country.

Quote from: ErmineNotyours on March 11, 2020, 11:57:27 PM

Quote from: bandit957 on March 11, 2020, 11:53:43 PM

Quote from: RobbieL2415 on March 11, 2020, 11:47:34 PM
Also, how soon before we see restrictions on movement between states?

The right to travel within the country kind of puts the kibosh on that.

They had that debate on another thread I followed.  "If we have the right to free assembly, how can the state cancel big events?"  For the same reason you can't shout "fire" in a crowded theater.  Besides, the U.S. already has additional border check stations inland from the border, in Texas for instance, where they can stop you even though you're traveling within the country.

Quote from: bandit957 on March 12, 2020, 12:05:12 AM

Quote from: ErmineNotyours on March 11, 2020, 11:57:27 PM
They had that debate on another thread I followed.  "If we have the right to free assembly, how can the state cancel big events?"  For the same reason you can't shout "fire" in a crowded theater.  Besides, the U.S. already has additional border check stations inland from the border, in Texas for instance, where they can stop you even though you're traveling within the country.

I'd just love to see them try to enforce restrictions on movement between states.

Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 12, 2020, 05:08:39 AM

Quote from: ErmineNotyours on March 11, 2020, 11:57:27 PM

Quote from: bandit957 on March 11, 2020, 11:53:43 PM

Quote from: RobbieL2415 on March 11, 2020, 11:47:34 PM
Also, how soon before we see restrictions on movement between states?

The right to travel within the country kind of puts the kibosh on that.

They had that debate on another thread I followed.  "If we have the right to free assembly, how can the state cancel big events?"  For the same reason you can't shout "fire" in a crowded theater.  Besides, the U.S. already has additional border check stations inland from the border, in Texas for instance, where they can stop you even though you're traveling within the country.

I don't believe any state has actually cancelled an event. It's the events themselves that cancelled. The states have urged people not to be in big group settings, but that's no the same as them cancelling an event.

Quote from: ozarkman417 on March 12, 2020, 08:45:59 AM
Wyoming now has the Coronavirus. The victim got it via domestic travel.

https://www.wyomingpublicmedia.org/post/first-covid-19-case-reported-wyoming#stream/0 (https://www.wyomingpublicmedia.org/post/first-covid-19-case-reported-wyoming#stream/0)

SM-G965U

Quote from: 1 on March 12, 2020, 09:03:20 AM
State correlations between percentage infected and:

Minimum wage (current): 0.51
Price per gallon of gas (outdated by over a year, but the general trend holds): 0.38
Clinton % 2016: 0.34
Obama % 2012: 0.30
Population density: 0.23; 0.08 if excluding DC
% of population living in cities 100K+: 0.23
Asian %: 0.13
Cost of living: 0.11
Sales tax %: 0.08
Year of admission into union: 0.08
2010 population: 0.04 (keep in mind that this is measuring percentage infected, not number infected)
1950 population, 1980 population: 0.03
African-American %: -0.01
Number of total Interstates: -0.02
Number of ZIP code 100 blocks: -0.03
1900 population: -0.04
Native American/Alaska Native %: -0.04
Land area: -0.08; -0.05 if excluding Alaska
White %: -0.08
Number of 2dis: -0.13
Maximum speed limit: -0.17

Population figures are from the 2010 Census.

Quote from: 1 on March 12, 2020, 09:03:20 AM
State correlations between percentage infected and:

Minimum wage (current): 0.51
Price per gallon of gas (outdated by over a year, but the general trend holds): 0.38
Clinton % 2016: 0.34
Obama % 2012: 0.30
Population density: 0.23; 0.08 if excluding DC
% of population living in cities 100K+: 0.23
Asian %: 0.13
Cost of living: 0.11
Sales tax %: 0.08
Year of admission into union: 0.08
2010 population: 0.04 (keep in mind that this is measuring percentage infected, not number infected)
1950 population, 1980 population: 0.03
African-American %: -0.01
Number of total Interstates: -0.02
Number of ZIP code 100 blocks: -0.03
1900 population: -0.04
Native American/Alaska Native %: -0.04
Land area: -0.08; -0.05 if excluding Alaska
White %: -0.08
Number of 2dis: -0.13
Maximum speed limit: -0.17

Population figures are from the 2010 Census.

Quote from: tradephoric on March 12, 2020, 11:01:28 AM
The coronavirus has led to the fastest bear market in history.

(https://i.imgur.com/87xQgXT.png)


The Dow plunged into a bear market in just 20 days – the fastest 20% drop in history
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/dow-index-bear-stock-market-20-days-fastest-history-coronavirus-2020-3-1028989775

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 12, 2020, 11:58:41 AM
Yes, it has done wonders for my 401k and stock portfolio...  Good thing I have at least two decades before I can seriously consider retirement.  Drawing another 9/11 comparison the markets State Side saw similar plunges in the immediate aftermath. 

Interestingly after all the sports league announcements yesterday there was maybe 15 people at the gym this morning.  I noticed most of the causal goers were staying home, usually there is at least 60-80 people in there at 6 AM. 

Quote from: 1995hoo on March 12, 2020, 12:11:20 PM

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 12, 2020, 11:58:41 AM
Yes, it has done wonders for my 401k and stock portfolio...  Good thing I have at least two decades before I can seriously consider retirement.  Drawing another 9/11 comparison the markets State Side saw similar plunges in the immediate aftermath. 

Interestingly after all the sports league announcements yesterday there was maybe 15 people at the gym this morning.  I noticed most of the causal goers were staying home, usually there is at least 60-80 people in there at 6 AM. 

I refuse to look at my TSP account.  :ded:

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 12, 2020, 11:58:41 AM

Quote from: tradephoric on March 12, 2020, 11:01:28 AM

The Dow plunged into a bear market in just 20 days – the fastest 20% drop in history
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/dow-index-bear-stock-market-20-days-fastest-history-coronavirus-2020-3-1028989775

Yes, it has done wonders for my 401k and stock portfolio...  Good thing I have at least two decades before I can seriously consider retirement.  Drawing another 9/11 comparison the markets State Side saw similar plunges in the immediate aftermath. 

Interestingly after all the sports league announcements yesterday there was maybe 15 people at the gym this morning.  I noticed most of the causal goers were staying home, usually there is at least 60-80 people in there at 6 AM. 

Quote from: cabiness42 on March 12, 2020, 12:24:25 PM

Quote from: 1995hoo on March 12, 2020, 12:11:20 PM

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 12, 2020, 11:58:41 AM
Yes, it has done wonders for my 401k and stock portfolio...  Good thing I have at least two decades before I can seriously consider retirement.  Drawing another 9/11 comparison the markets State Side saw similar plunges in the immediate aftermath. 

Interestingly after all the sports league announcements yesterday there was maybe 15 people at the gym this morning.  I noticed most of the causal goers were staying home, usually there is at least 60-80 people in there at 6 AM. 

I refuse to look at my TSP account.  :ded:

The day the first case was reported in the US I shoved everything into the G and F funds.

Quote from: Tonytone on March 12, 2020, 12:28:14 PM
Time to invest in stocks & make bids on the ECONOMY!

Ill see you all on the yacht in july!


iPhone

Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 12, 2020, 12:37:01 PM

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 12, 2020, 11:58:41 AM

Quote from: tradephoric on March 12, 2020, 11:01:28 AM

The Dow plunged into a bear market in just 20 days – the fastest 20% drop in history
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/dow-index-bear-stock-market-20-days-fastest-history-coronavirus-2020-3-1028989775

Yes, it has done wonders for my 401k and stock portfolio...  Good thing I have at least two decades before I can seriously consider retirement.  Drawing another 9/11 comparison the markets State Side saw similar plunges in the immediate aftermath. 

Interestingly after all the sports league announcements yesterday there was maybe 15 people at the gym this morning.  I noticed most of the causal goers were staying home, usually there is at least 60-80 people in there at 6 AM. 

Yeah, it's been bad for everyone's portfolios.

If anyone was ready to retire in the next month, they are probably :banghead: against their walls.