Coronavirus pandemic

[webny99]

It might ultimately come down to whether the 2-week quarantine upon arrival is still in effect

Which state's? Hawaii? Alaska? New Mexico (for air travelers only)?

Minnesota. Some friends went last week and decided to drive because they couldn't stay the (supposedly) required 2 weeks after air travel. However, I'm having trouble finding an official answer online as to whether that requirement ever was, or still is, in place.

I can find no record of Minnesota or New York having issued such a restriction.

Well, that's why I included that last sentence. Just to be clear that this was based on hearsay and not anything official.

[kphoger]

That is, however, quite a drastic change to one's travel plans based on hearsay.

[webny99]

That is, however, quite a drastic change to one's travel plans based on hearsay.

Well, I probably shouldn't have even mentioned it, since who knows if we'll end up traveling at all?

I guess all I'm saying is, if the idea of traveling to Minnesota ever starts turning into an actual plan to travel there, whether there's a 2-week quarantine requirement will be a major factor.

[TheHighwayMan3561]

We have no such quarantine restrictions.

[kphoger]

That is, however, quite a drastic change to one's travel plans based on hearsay.

Well, I probably shouldn't have even mentioned it, since who knows if we'll end up traveling at all?

I guess all I'm saying is, if the idea of traveling to Minnesota ever starts turning into an actual plan to travel there, whether there's a 2-week quarantine requirement will be a major factor.

I meant your friends, who apparently decided to drive a thousand miles instead of flying, based on a restriction that didn't exist.

[webny99]

I meant your friends, who apparently decided to drive a thousand miles instead of flying, based on a restriction that didn't exist.

Oh, gotcha. Well, I heard second-hand that that was the reason, so who knows what they actually thought? 

Yeah, I really should have kept my blabbermouth shut. Live and learn.

[kphoger]

I really should have kept my blabbermouth shut. Live and learn.

Nah.

Now you know.

[Scott5114]

Reading customer satisfaction surveys for our field technicians, I've seen customers who...

(a)  ...are irritated that their technician didn't wear a mask when greeting them at the door or when passing equipment back and forth over the threshold, and wish more restrictive policies were in place;

(b)  ...are irritated that their technician wasn't allowed to come inside the home to actually troubleshoot firsthand, and wish less restrictive policies were in place.

I think these are both reasonable positions to hold. If I were having Internet problems, I would be annoyed if the tech didn't both wear a mask and come in to resolve the issue. (I can troubleshoot my own router issues; if I call the ISP, it is because something is messed up on Cox's end and I have no ability to fix it.) I would imagine a tech standing at the door asking troubleshooting questions without actually accessing the hardware wouldn't be able to do much more than the first-level tech on the phone already did ("would you try rebooting the modem for me?").

[webny99]

We have no such quarantine restrictions.

Now you know.

Fair enough. Finding that much out was a nice bonus.

[ftballfan]

Here's an interesting site tracking hospitalizations I came across.
https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/COVIDNet/COVID19_5.html
You can even separate different groups and see the effects.

I saw (or read) something out of Italy that said that a very high percentage of their COVID deaths were in the presence of multiple other underlying conditions

[CoreySamson]

Well, seems I was right about my second wave prediction. Cases in Texas (and some other states) have been skyrocketing ever since the protests started.

[SEWIGuy]

Well, seems I was right about my second wave prediction. Cases in Texas (and some other states) have been skyrocketing ever since the protests started.

In many states where there have been large protests over either the stay at home orders or the racial injustice issues, have seen very little increase.  I mean, Minnesota has seen no significant increase and they were at the epicenter.  Of course that could come in the next week or so.

States that have seen an uptick have been those who have lessened restrictions and look like they have large indoor gatherings - probably cause its too hot and people are seeking air conditioning?

I think we have seen two things come out of this.  Outdoor transmission isn't much of a worry.  Indoor transmission, where people are close to one another for extended periods of time and the air is stale, is VERY MUCH of a worry.  (Bars, nursing homes, etc.)

[J N Winkler]

I saw (or read) something out of Italy that said that a very high percentage of their COVID deaths were in the presence of multiple other underlying conditions

Yes.  On the other hand, there is abundant anecdotal evidence that for many young covid-19 patients without underlying conditions, recovery does not equate to 100% return to health.  You are counted as recovered even if the disease leaves you needing a double lung transplant, for example.  I am growing increasingly concerned about what we will find out when we are able to do some statistical analysis on the long-term disease burden that results from contracting covid-19 and then recovering.

[SectorZ]

I saw (or read) something out of Italy that said that a very high percentage of their COVID deaths were in the presence of multiple other underlying conditions

Yes.  On the other hand, there is abundant anecdotal evidence that for many young covid-19 patients without underlying conditions, recovery does not equate to 100% return to health.  You are counted as recovered even if the disease leaves you needing a double lung transplant, for example.  I am growing increasingly concerned about what we will find out when we are able to do some statistical analysis on the long-term disease burden that results from contracting covid-19 and then recovering.

Young and without underlying conditions only because they're still young possibly. I'd love to know if they've been smoking (cigarettes or weed), are significantly overweight, or drink a lot. It may be that their behavior didn't catch up to them yet and Covid accelerated the timetable. It would be consistent with those older that got severely sick (almost all have underlying conditions).

[SEWIGuy]

For instance, the correlation of this map to the states who had the strictest stay at home orders is pretty clear.  Plus these are the states who are just emerging into summer and have less indoor transmission.

https://twitter.com/GovNedLamont/status/1273333468794159116?s=20

[kalvado]

I saw (or read) something out of Italy that said that a very high percentage of their COVID deaths were in the presence of multiple other underlying conditions

Yes.  On the other hand, there is abundant anecdotal evidence that for many young covid-19 patients without underlying conditions, recovery does not equate to 100% return to health.  You are counted as recovered even if the disease leaves you needing a double lung transplant, for example.  I am growing increasingly concerned about what we will find out when we are able to do some statistical analysis on the long-term disease burden that results from contracting covid-19 and then recovering.

Young and without underlying conditions only because they're still young possibly. I'd love to know if they've been smoking (cigarettes or weed), are significantly overweight, or drink a lot. It may be that their behavior didn't catch up to them yet and Covid accelerated the timetable. It would be consistent with those older that got severely sick (almost all have underlying conditions).

If anything, one can easily expect covid to become just another cold virus once initial innocent immunity status is over.
Kids are having serious colds all the time, but mostly recover without a trace.

An interesting piece of data: a family who was isolated from the rest of the world for a few decades got heavily affected by... something after coming out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lykov_family
There was at least one pneumonia, and I am not sure if kidney failures were actually just that. I wouldn't be surprised if one of today's common cold coronaviruses did to them something similar to what covid is doing with the rest of us today.

[Roadgeekteen]

For instance, the correlation of this map to the states who had the strictest stay at home orders is pretty clear.  Plus these are the states who are just emerging into summer and have less indoor transmission.

https://twitter.com/GovNedLamont/status/1273333468794159116?s=20

I can see a clear north-south divide here and also an east-west divide. Always knew this was the best region of the country...

[jeffandnicole]

For instance, the correlation of this map to the states who had the strictest stay at home orders is pretty clear.  Plus these are the states who are just emerging into summer and have less indoor transmission.

https://twitter.com/GovNedLamont/status/1273333468794159116?s=20

I can see a clear north-south divide here and also an east-west divide. Always knew this was the best region of the country...

What I find interesting about this chart is that Maine is only in the yellow.

Could it be that while they're mandating 14 day quarantining for out-of-state residents, they're giving their own residents a free pass.  This free pass means after they've travelled, they're going out on the town infecting each other.

[vdeane]

I think that's the case for a lot of states - they figured "we don't need to do anything, it's those people from other states bringing it here that are the problem, just quarantine them", and that attitude has now come back to bite them in the rear.

[kphoger]

I saw (or read) something out of Italy that said that a very high percentage of their COVID deaths were in the presence of multiple other underlying conditions

Yes.  On the other hand, there is abundant anecdotal evidence that for many young covid-19 patients without underlying conditions, recovery does not equate to 100% return to health.  You are counted as recovered even if the disease leaves you needing a double lung transplant, for example.  I am growing increasingly concerned about what we will find out when we are able to do some statistical analysis on the long-term disease burden that results from contracting covid-19 and then recovering.

Young and without underlying conditions only because they're still young possibly. I'd love to know if they've been smoking (cigarettes or weed), are significantly overweight, or drink a lot. It may be that their behavior didn't catch up to them yet and Covid accelerated the timetable. It would be consistent with those older that got severely sick (almost all have underlying conditions).

Obesity and hypertension are the top 2 "underlying conditions" in the US.  Ergo, if they're significantly overweight, then they're already not counted as "without underlying conditions".

[webny99]

I can see a clear north-south divide here and also an east-west divide. Always knew this was the best region of the country...

Yeah, clearly the Northeast and Midwest/Plains are doing better than other regions of the country.

I said right from the beginning that Upstate NY was in the best possible situation: in a state that got hit really hard, but physically far away from the worst of the outbreak. That has been a huge advantage at every step of the way, everyone takes it pretty seriously here because of NYC. I still can't believe there's areas of the country where mask wearing hasn't become the norm.

[SEWIGuy]

I don't even know anymore. This is never going to get contained.

It will.  Pandemics die down.  A vaccine, even one that isn't perfectly effective, will help a lot.  Treatments are improving.  Knowledge is being gained.

[kphoger]

I don't even know anymore. This is never going to get contained.

Is containment really what we're aiming for?

And we have never before seen a pandemic that can be controlled ...

[US71]

Fayetteville, Arkansas passed an ordinance requiring anyone outside in public should be wearing a mask. Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson has declared that cities can't have stricter rules than the state (which recommends masks, but does not require them.)

[hotdogPi]

Fayetteville, Arkansas passed an ordinance requiring anyone outside in public should shall be wearing a mask. Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson has declared that cities can't have stricter rules than the state (which recommends masks, but does not require them.)

Masks don't need to be required when just going out for a walk.