Pennsylvania

[Rothman]

What is this, Get Smart?

[Ketchup99]

What is this, Get Smart?

When you're forty years older than me references are gonna fly over my head.

I agree PA should have more 70 zones - Route 222 would be a good candidate, as would I-90 in Erie County if they don't make that 75. But honestly, there's no reason at all that loads of freeways here can't be given higher speed limits.

[ARMOURERERIC]

What is this, Get Smart?

I've been on this site so long that I once posted that they get Don Addams and Barbara Feldon to cut the ribbon when the 86/99 interchange was completed.

[SGwithADD]

What is this, Get Smart?

I've been on this site so long that I once posted that they get Don Addams and Barbara Feldon to cut the ribbon when the 86/99 interchange was completed.

Talk about a missed opportunity

[VTGoose]

What is this, Get Smart?

I've been on this site so long that I once posted that they get Don Addams and Barbara Feldon to cut the ribbon when the 86/99 interchange was completed.

Talk about a missed opportunity

Missed it by that much . . .

[ARMOURERERIC]

Sorry about that Chief

[Interstatefan78]

I do wish they'd post more highways at 70 MPH.  An example would be US 222 north of Lancaster.  Traffic already goes over 70 MPH anyway, and the road is rather wide (i.e. no major geometric deficiencies)

Correct and also I-81 American Legion Hwy Exit 70 I-83 to Wilkes Barre exit 165 via Exit 89 I-78 78th Division Hwy Allentown Clinton, NJ and Exit 151 I-80 ZH Confair Hwy Bloomsburg San Francisco, CA Stroudsburg Patterson, NJ. I-78 only exits 1-35 PA-143 but not exit 60 to mp 77.3 Delaware River due to the climb after exit 60 towards Exit 67.

[Ketchup99]

I do wish they'd post more highways at 70 MPH.  An example would be US 222 north of Lancaster.  Traffic already goes over 70 MPH anyway, and the road is rather wide (i.e. no major geometric deficiencies)

Correct and also I-81 American Legion Hwy Exit 70 I-83 to Wilkes Barre exit 165 via Exit 89 I-78 78th Division Hwy Allentown Clinton, NJ and Exit 151 I-80 ZH Confair Hwy Bloomsburg San Francisco, CA Stroudsburg Patterson, NJ. I-78 only exits 1-35 PA-143 but not exit 60 to mp 77.3 Delaware River due to the climb after exit 60 towards Exit 67.

Can someone translate this... I-83 doesn't go to Wilkes Barre, San Francisco has nothing to do with this...

[74/171FAN]

I do wish they'd post more highways at 70 MPH.  An example would be US 222 north of Lancaster.  Traffic already goes over 70 MPH anyway, and the road is rather wide (i.e. no major geometric deficiencies)

Correct and also I-81 American Legion Hwy Exit 70 I-83 to Wilkes Barre exit 165 via Exit 89 I-78 78th Division Hwy Allentown Clinton, NJ and Exit 151 I-80 ZH Confair Hwy Bloomsburg San Francisco, CA Stroudsburg Patterson, NJ. I-78 only exits 1-35 PA-143 but not exit 60 to mp 77.3 Delaware River due to the climb after exit 60 towards Exit 67.

Can someone translate this... I-83 doesn't go to Wilkes Barre, San Francisco has nothing to do with this...

I-81 (I-83 (Exit 70) to PA 309 (Exit 165))
I-78 (I-81 (Exit 1) to PA 143 (Exit 35)) (though not PA 309 SB/PA 145 (Exit 60) to the NJ Line due to the climb EB between PA 412 (Exit 67) and PA 33 (Exit 71))

I think that it is what Interstatefan78 meant to type.

[Interstatefan78]

I do wish they'd post more highways at 70 MPH.  An example would be US 222 north of Lancaster.  Traffic already goes over 70 MPH anyway, and the road is rather wide (i.e. no major geometric deficiencies)

Correct and also I-81 American Legion Hwy Exit 70 I-83 to Wilkes Barre exit 165 via Exit 89 I-78 78th Division Hwy Allentown Clinton, NJ and Exit 151 I-80 ZH Confair Hwy Bloomsburg San Francisco, CA Stroudsburg Patterson, NJ. I-78 only exits 1-35 PA-143 but not exit 60 to mp 77.3 Delaware River due to the climb after exit 60 towards Exit 67.

Can someone translate this... I-83 doesn't go to Wilkes Barre, San Francisco has nothing to do with this...

I-81 (I-83 (Exit 70) to PA 309 (Exit 165))
I-78 (I-81 (Exit 1) to PA 143 (Exit 35)) (though not PA 309 SB/PA 145 (Exit 60) to the NJ Line due to the climb EB between PA 412 (Exit 67) and PA 33 (Exit 71))

I think that it is what Interstatefan78 meant to type.

you got that correct. Speaking of I-81 & I-80 interchange it's Exit 151.

[seicer]

It looks like more band-aids are in the works right now along US 220 between PA 287 at Jersey Shore and PA 2014/West 4th at Linden. I can't exactly tell what all is occurring other than jughandles are being built, median opening are being closed and shoulders are either being strengthened or widened. It also appears that the Quenshuckery Road intersection is being realigned.

[seicer]

Just found the project page: https://www.penndot.gov/RegionalOffices/district-3/ConstructionsProjectsAndRoadwork/Pages/220-122.aspx

Judging from the construction plans posted, this does set up US 220 for easier conversion into I-99 as roads are being built in areas to take local traffic off of US 220.

[Ketchup99]

Does anyone know if there are plans in the works to bypass that entire mess, or as it's upgraded to I-99 are they somehow going to limit access completely?

[Hwy 61 Revisited]

Does anyone know if there are plans in the works to bypass that entire mess, or as it's upgraded to I-99 are they somehow going to limit access completely?

This is PennDOT. They're gonna lay people off when shovels stand up by themselves.

[Ketchup99]

Does anyone know if there are plans in the works to bypass that entire mess, or as it's upgraded to I-99 are they somehow going to limit access completely?

This is PennDOT. They're gonna lay people off when shovels stand up by themselves.

Uhhhhh... my question wasn't about layoffs

[qguy]

PennDOT District 6-0 broke ground on a new Regional Traffic Management Center (RTMC). It will be in a separate building being built on the district office property, where a small parking garage is/was.

The district's TMC already looked like NASA's mission control. The expanded version should be quite impressive.

PennDOT's press release:
https://www.penndot.gov/RegionalOffices/district-6/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5998

[qguy]

The US 422 Schuylkill River Complex in the Valley Forge area is nearing wrap-up. Eastbound traffic has been shifted onto the eastbound bridge. (Both directions had been on the completed westbound bridge while the eastbound structure was under construction.) The project is on schedule to be completed in late October or early November.

Adjacent to the PA 23 interchange (the one at the left in the below graphic), the relocation of PA 23 within the Valley Forge National Historic Park is projected to move to construction late next year. All of the other work delineated by dotted lines (Schuylkill River Trail/pedestrian/bike bridge over the Schuylkill River, missing moves at the Trooper interchange) were completed earlier.

Project graphic:


PennDOT's press release:
https://www.penndot.gov/RegionalOffices/district-6/pages/details.aspx?newsid=6019

Project website:
https://www.422improvements.com/us-422-in-valley-forge

[storm2k]

Is this NRBC gem still standing? Surprising that it's lasted that long (GSV is from 2018), given that roads around here have been reconstructed several times over the years.

Also, I find it interesting that they still sign this as the "Toll Bridge" to NJ, given that the bridge, like all DRJTBC bridges, only charges a toll coming into PA and has for many years (granted, this is an old sign, but even newer signs showcase it, even though I'm sure most were replace in kind with no updates to their legends.)

[Chris19001]

So I stumbled across this beauty in Langhorne within the past month.  It may have been there for a while, but it only caught my eye recently.
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.1695685,-74.9179315,3a,75y,233.7h,100.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1suNXSERH_xUSgCBcvXPcumw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Is there actually a PA Route 1 somewhere out in another part of the state?  I get a chuckle out of thinking how it came about each time I see it.

[storm2k]

So I stumbled across this beauty in Langhorne within the past month.  It may have been there for a while, but it only caught my eye recently.
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.1695685,-74.9179315,3a,75y,233.7h,100.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1suNXSERH_xUSgCBcvXPcumw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Is there actually a PA Route 1 somewhere out in another part of the state?  I get a chuckle out of thinking how it came about each time I see it.

PA 1 does not exist. PA at least tries by and large to avoid State Route duplication with US Routes and Interstates.

[briantroutman]

Is there actually a PA Route 1 somewhere out in another part of the state?  I get a chuckle out of thinking how it came about each time I see it.

Prior to the numbering of the US Numbered Highways network, Pennsylvania did have a PA 1 that was roughly equivalent to the routing of the Lincoln Highway (which is mostly US 30 today). The section of PA 1 between Philadelphia and Trenton followed what today is the US 1 corridor, so that sign in Bucks County is almost accurate–95 years after the fact.

[Hwy 61 Revisited]

Is there actually a PA Route 1 somewhere out in another part of the state?  I get a chuckle out of thinking how it came about each time I see it.

Prior to the numbering of the US Numbered Highways network, Pennsylvania did have a PA 1 that was roughly equivalent to the routing of the Lincoln Highway (which is mostly US 30 today). The section of PA 1 between Philadelphia and Trenton followed what today is the US 1 corridor, so that sign in Bucks County is almost accurate–95 years after the fact.

Then why isn't there a modern PA 2?

[briantroutman]

Then why isn't there a modern PA 2?

The original PA 2 was redesignated as parts of US 11 and US 611.

Pennsylvania's 1925 state route numbering scheme started with #1 and designated a number of significant cross-state traffic movements in roughly descending order:

PA 1 - Philadelphia to Pittsburgh (NJ to WV)
PA 2 - Philadelphia to Allentown to Scranton (to NY State)
PA 3 - Pittsburgh to Harrisburg to Allentown (WV to NJ)
PA 4 - York to Harrisburg to Williamsport (MD to NY)
PA 5 - Erie to Harrisburg (via PA 3)

...and so on up through the low 20s, I believe.

When the US Numbered Highway network was designated shortly thereafter, many of the PA numbering system's low-digit numbers were soon claimed by US routes passing through Pennsylvania (such as 1, 6, 11, 13, 15, 19, 22). Additionally, since they were generally routes of regional and national importance, significant sections of the original PA state network were repurposed as parts of US routes (as was the case with PA 2 becoming US 611 and US 11). To my knowledge, the only of the 1925 PA routes to retain any part of their original corridors are PA 5 and PA 8.



Now, as to why the number 2 wasn't reused later for an unrelated route (since it wasn't duplicated by a US route or Interstate), I'm not sure. For what it's worth, some other disused low-number PA route designations were not reused either (PA 4, 7).

[jemacedo9]

What's interesting is that there are child routes that will relate to the original numbering:

1:  PA 401, PA 501, PA 601
2:  PA 402, PA 502
3:  PA 103, PA 403
4:  PA 104, PA 204, PA 304
5:  PA 305, PA 505
7:  PA 107, PA 307, PA 407, PA 507, PA 607
8:  PA 108, PA 208, PA 308, PA 408
13: PA 113

[74/171FAN]

From PennDOT District 8: Traffic to be Switched to New Ramp from Mount Rose Avenue to I-83 NB in Springettsbury Township, York County

Well the I-83/PA 124 interchange should be completed eventually.