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Started by SteveG1988, November 12, 2014, 09:42:38 AM

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DeaconG

I-10 and I-295 in Jacksonville...the NB I-295 to WB I-10 loop ramp is a royal pain, especially when you're in the middle of a conga line of tractor-trailers.

Capital Beltway at Baltimore-Washington Parkway with the MD193/Greenbelt Road interchange with the Parkway literally right on top of you. The weaving...it burns!

I-4 at SR 408 (East-West)...'nuff said.

I-76 and I-676 in Philly...seriously, they've rebuilt this interchange twice since I was a kid and it still isn't right (although they did eliminate the 30th Street Station SB "deathramp" onto the Schuylkill)...
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formulanone

Florida's Turnpike to FL 528 (Beeline/Beachline Expressway).

DeaconG

Quote from: formulanone on November 12, 2014, 06:17:58 PM
Florida's Turnpike to FL 528 (Beeline/Beachline Expressway).

Oh God yes, forgot that one. It needs a rebuild badly.
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Joe The Dragon

Quote from: Brandon on November 12, 2014, 11:19:09 AM
The Circle Interchange (I-290 & I-90/94) in Chicago.

I-294 north to I-290 west in Hillside, IL.  I hate that fucking loop ramp.

The other side of that also has issues as well.

I-290 east to I-294 south also get's in the way of I-88 west as well. Needs an C/D setup or move / add the merge point back near north ave.

also semi OT getting on the IN toll road in NW IN (gates in ETC only lanes at ramp tolls that are deep in lane with a 15MPH speed limit) also main lane and sky way toll as well. Big change from IL tollway.

Thing 342

Quote from: cl94 on November 12, 2014, 04:48:13 PM
I-71/I-75 in Cincinnati can be a nightmare.

I agree, especially for one headed from I-471 N to I-75 N during rush hour.

CtrlAltDel

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Quote from: Joe The Dragon on November 12, 2014, 07:38:01 PM
Quote from: Brandon on November 12, 2014, 11:19:09 AM
The Circle Interchange (I-290 & I-90/94) in Chicago.

I-294 north to I-290 west in Hillside, IL.  I hate that fucking loop ramp.

The other side of that also has issues as well.

I-290 east to I-294 south also get's in the way of I-88 west as well. Needs an C/D setup or move / add the merge point back near north ave.

I hate that loop ramp too. My aunt's house is in viewing distance of that ramp (which is technically in Berkeley, not Hillside), and I've often sat on her deck shaking either my head or my fist at it.

I also agree that something needs to be done about the 290E to 294S/88W ramps. It needs another lane in addition to your suggestions, though, in my opinion. Complicating matters is the Saint Charles Road exit which is right in the middle of the mess.

Also, there's the 290E to 294N transition, which uses the surface streets of North Avenue and Lake Street, should probably be fixed in some way, too. There's too much traffic trying to go in too many directions there. And with the cars and especially trucks crossing two lanes of traffic, it can take a while to get through.
Interstates clinched: 4, 57, 275 (IN-KY-OH), 465 (IN), 640 (TN), 985
State Interstates clinched: I-26 (TN), I-75 (GA), I-75 (KY), I-75 (TN), I-81 (WV), I-95 (NH)

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SteveG1988

The Mid-County Interchange in Philly is confusing and due to PA keeping the original exit that was before it, has weaving issues.

I-695 to 695 on the northern end of the baltimore beltway, after the bridge heading towards 95, when it has to make a 90 degree turn to just stay on itself for the windlass.

I-95 to I-76 in philly is just a disaster caused by the decade or two of differnece in construction dates.
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I55,I82,I84(E&W)I88(W),I87(N),I81,I64,I74(W),I72,I57,I24,I65,I59,I12,I71,I77,I76(E&W),I70,I79,I85,I86(W),I27,I16,I97,I96,I43,I41,

Pete from Boston

This thread's growing at an alarming rate, so if I'm repeating, there's more than I can follow.

I-93 at I-95/Mass. 128, Reading, Mass.: if traffic backed up just because of volume on the receiving road, it would be one thing, but traffic backs way up going into a free-flowing road because of a narrow, tight ramp.  Another cloverleaf's abilities exceeded. 

Old story, one where the state actually gave up in its last effort to fix the problem due to the level of local opposition to the Takings.  But it's a shitty situation in the meantime. 


Pete from Boston

And I've only done it a few times, but I have bad associations with I-70 to I-79 in Washington, Pennsylvania.  The pavement was always cruddy on a tight ramp when I was through there.   

Joe The Dragon

Quote from: CtrlAltDel on November 12, 2014, 08:18:00 PM
Quote from: Joe The Dragon on November 12, 2014, 07:38:01 PM
Quote from: Brandon on November 12, 2014, 11:19:09 AM
The Circle Interchange (I-290 & I-90/94) in Chicago.

I-294 north to I-290 west in Hillside, IL.  I hate that fucking loop ramp.

The other side of that also has issues as well.

I-290 east to I-294 south also get's in the way of I-88 west as well. Needs an C/D setup or move / add the merge point back near north ave.

I hate that loop ramp too. My aunt's house is in viewing distance of that ramp (which is technically in Berkeley, not Hillside), and I've often sat on her deck shaking either my head or my fist at it.

I also agree that something needs to be done about the 290E to 294S/88W ramps. It needs another lane in addition to your suggestions, though, in my opinion. Complicating matters is the Saint Charles Road exit which is right in the middle of the mess.

Also, there's the 290E to 294N transition, which uses the surface streets of North Avenue and Lake Street, should probably be fixed in some way, too. There's too much traffic trying to go in too many directions there. And with the cars and especially trucks crossing two lanes of traffic, it can take a while to get through.

this may fix part of North Ave stuff.

http://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/10157/1774706/EOWA-DraftConceptDesing-ProposedROW_294atNorthAve_Fall2012.pdf

also as for fixes for I-88 I-290 I-294

my ideas

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=10015.msg236033#msg236033

OracleUsr

I-40/77 in Statesville (being worked on now)

I-40/26 in Asheville (left exit to East I-26 from I-40W with almost no accel lane?)
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Bruce

I-5 / SR 520 in Seattle is pretty bad. The left-handed exit/entrance for southbound I-5 creates a bad weave that forces drivers to cross 5 lanes of traffic to exit at Mercer Street, which regularly backs up I-5 traffic to Northgate and beyond.

And it's getting an "improvement" in the form of a new ramp to the reversible express lanes, but nothing to solve the left-handed exit.

jwolfer

I-95 and I-26. The biggest movement is 95n to 26w and its a cloverleaf.. Lots of truck traffic too

SteveG1988

I-55 to I-55/44 in St Louis. Having to use a narrow ramp to go down from the Poplar Street Bridge.
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I55,I82,I84(E&W)I88(W),I87(N),I81,I64,I74(W),I72,I57,I24,I65,I59,I12,I71,I77,I76(E&W),I70,I79,I85,I86(W),I27,I16,I97,I96,I43,I41,

PHLBOS

Quote from: Pete from Boston on November 12, 2014, 09:41:00 PMOld story, one where the state actually gave up in its last effort to fix the problem due to the level of local opposition to the Takings.
I know there's a long-range plan to finally reconfigure this interchange with some fly-overs that's been placed on the back-burner due to funding availability.  Are you saying that such has been scapped altogether or are you referring to an earlier proposal that was scrapped?

Same state, same two Interstates, different location: the through I-95 Northbound movements at the I-93 (US 1/MA 128) interchange in Canton where it narrows down to a single lane cloverleaf ramp.  However, plans to finally reconfigure such are in the pipeline.
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Quote from: PHLBOS on November 13, 2014, 09:20:48 AM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on November 12, 2014, 09:41:00 PMOld story, one where the state actually gave up in its last effort to fix the problem due to the level of local opposition to the Takings.
I know there's a long-range plan to finally reconfigure this interchange with some fly-overs that's been placed on the back-burner due to funding availability.  Are you saying that such has been scapped altogether or are you referring to an earlier proposal that was scrapped?

There are people here who know that answer better than I do.  The last I heard, it remains in the long-term vision.  However, sometime over five years ago, I recall actual public meetings that had so much opposition that the process was stopped completely because there were better things to do with the money available than sit on it for a project that didn't have any chance of moving forward soon.   This is probably well documented in the archives of ne.transportation and misc.transport.road.

Chris19001

Quote from: SteveG1988 on November 12, 2014, 09:10:03 PM
I-95 to I-76 in philly is just a disaster caused by the decade or two of differnece in construction dates.
I'll second that.  It is surprisingly messy given the amount of cleared land around the interchange.
To nominate another, I'd say I-78 (NJTP) and NJ440 (although it's a stretch to call 440 a freeway).  What a horrible mess to get to north 440 from 78 eastbound.

NE2

Quote from: Chris19001 on November 13, 2014, 12:35:17 PM
What a horrible mess to get to north 440 from 78 eastbound.
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I-75 south to I-75 south in Knoxville. All I-75 southbound traffic is funneled onto a one-lane ramp. I've seen huge backups there. You're better off taking I-275 (which was I-75 until I-75 was routed onto I-640) south to I-40 west.


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Ned Weasel

Quote from: Darkchylde on November 12, 2014, 05:20:11 PM
I-70 West to I-70 West, northeast corner of the Kansas City, MO downtown loop. Also, I-70 West to I-35 South, I-35 in both directions to I-670 East, I-670 West to I-35 (both directions). Just too cramped all around!

Thank you for nominating Kansas City's wretched downtown freeway loop.  However, I think the worst of all the movements is NB I-35 to NB I-35.  Following NB I-35 involves a mandatory two lane changes to the left within a distance of one mile, simultaneous with EB I-70 making one or two lane changes to the right within the same stretch.

What Kansas City does to NB I-35 is worse than what Breezewood does to EB I-70.  At least, when following EB I-70 through Breezewood, one can stay in the same lane after going through the toll plaza (by taking the left lane after the toll plaza, which becomes the right lane after the left turn), and the competing lane changes required of WB US 30 are done at a relatively slow speed, rather than ~60 MPH.

I think at least half of Kansas City's downtown freeway loop should be removed and converted to surface streets/boulevards.  I'm not sure yet what to do with the other half (but this would be a "Fictional Highways" topic).
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cpzilliacus

Quote from: jwolfer on November 13, 2014, 12:38:43 AM
I-95 and I-26. The biggest movement is 95n to 26w and its a cloverleaf.. Lots of truck traffic too

Been through there many times.  Traffic volumes are light enough that the full cloverleaf there is not that bad.
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cl94

Quote from: stridentweasel on November 13, 2014, 02:14:03 PM
Thank you for nominating Kansas City's wretched downtown freeway loop.  However, I think the worst of all the movements is NB I-35 to NB I-35.  Following NB I-35 involves a mandatory two lane changes to the left within a distance of one mile, simultaneous with EB I-70 making one or two lane changes to the right within the same stretch.

Columbus has the same issue on several highways. Through traffic on I-71 has to move 2 lanes to the left within a mile to stay on.
Just south of the western end of the concurrency, I-71 traffic in both directions has to switch between the inner lanes (to/from south) and outermost lane (to/from north) within 1/2 mile (NB) or ~3 miles (SB). A couple miles west of here, I-70 traffic in both directions has to make 1 or 2 lane changes between I-270 on the west side and I-670. I-670 WB requires a lane change for WB traffic coming from I-71 SB or I-670 east of I-71 due to the layout of the I-71 interchange.

Because of this, it is currently (and likely will be for a long time) impossible for someone traveling between the south/west I-270 and north/east of downtown via I-70 and/or I-71 to remain in the same lane. Worst offender is I-71 NB, which requires a minimum of 4 lane changes (2 right, 2 left) in under 5 miles.
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mhh

Northbound I-75 (Fisher Freeway) to Northbound I-75 (Chrysler Freeway) in downtown Detroit. Very tight curve, advisory speed 25 mph.

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3418594,-83.0454637,3a,75y,90h,90.73t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sWXGMMskVYDDowsC3-ighoA!2e0

CentralPAGal

US 15 and PA 581. What should be a freeway-to-freeway interchange has two traffic lights, and a left turn across (US 15 south) traffic to get on PA 581 west. At least one flyover ramp is needed, IMO. Also, another exit on US 15 is too close to the interchange.
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I: 83, 97, 176, 180 (PA), 270 (MD), 283, 395 (MD), 470 (OH-WV), 471, 795 (MD)
Traveled:
I: 70, 71, 75, 76 (E), 78, 79, 80, 81, 86 (E), 95, 99, 270 (OH), 275 (KY-IN-OH), 376, 495 (MD-VA), 579, 595 (MD), 695 (MD)
US: 1, 9, 11, 13, 15, 22, 25, 30, 40, 42, 50, 113, 119, 127, 209, 220, 222, 301



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