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Started by NE2, April 22, 2011, 07:29:44 PM

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seicer

They just modified the KY 2 overpass over Interstate 64 in recent months, too.

The railings do not meet current FHWA standards without modifications. From my understanding, the barrier is not high enough and the protruding curb is a safety issue. I've seen these types of barriers retrofitted with traditional guardrails affixed to the protruding curb.

The tube railings are still used in places but are affixed atop contemporary concrete barriers such as this: https://maps.app.goo.gl/CJE4A1M7hTW5YrLn7


seicer

I made a several day-long trip down to south central Kentucky and got to check out some projects underway:

- US 25W is being widened to four lanes + with a median and defined access points between KY 727 west of Interstate 75 to KY 3041 (Corbin Bypass). In general, US 25W west to KY 90 could use better access management and 4' shoulders.

- US 25E on the north side of Corbin is always a hot mess of traffic and unchecked sprawl. I'm surprised the concrete pavement—original to 1968—is still around.

- There is a proposal to upgrade US 25 between Corbin and London to four lanes with partial access control at defined intersections and a (generally) depressed median - greatly needed as this is a heavily trafficked route with a high accident rate because of uncontrolled access. It includes an interchange with US 25E. Project information can be found at https://transportation.ky.gov/DistrictEleven/Pages/U.S.-25-South-Leg.aspx and https://transportation.ky.gov/DistrictEleven/Pages/Laurel-County---U.S.-25-North-Leg-.aspx

- KY 192 is being reconstructed between a point just west of Interstate 75 to US 25 in London. Intersections are being consolidated, and frontage/back roads are being built to reduce driveway access points. The road dates to 1979, and this will be the first overhaul of the road. Project information can be found at https://transportation.ky.gov/DistrictEleven/Pages/KY-192-Project-Laurel.aspx

- I got to drive KY 30 between London and US 421 at Tyner. A one-hour drive now takes 25 minutes. The new route has four lanes for the first quarter mile before narrowing down to two lanes + truck lanes on hills for the remainder of the route. KY 30 between the Hal Rogers Parkway and KY 3094, which has partial control of access, has a widened right-of-way for four-lanes.

- The Hal Rogers Parkway (Daniel Boone Parkway) could stand for widening and better access control, especially between Interstate 75 and KY 192. There is a planning project that covers it at https://transportation.ky.gov/Highway-Design/VE%20Study/VE202203_Hal%20Rogers.pdf, although I can't agree with all of the value engineering proposals, such as a roundabout at KY 30. A planning study begins this year to widen the Parkway to four lanes between London and Hazard.

- The Cumberland Parkway will be extended east from US 27 in Somerset towards the new KY 80/461 interchange at Shopville: https://halrogers.house.gov/2023/7/congressman-rogers-requests-45-million-for-northern-bypass-in-pulaski-county

- KY 461 has been greatly improved in the vicinity of KY 80. There is now partial access control and an RCUT interchange at Pin Oak Drive. Unfortunately, there is no full median barrier - just a paved median, although the Vaue Engineering Study called for a barrier median: https://transportation.ky.gov/Highway-Design/VE%20Study/VE201905%20KY80%20and%20KY461%20Interchange%20and%20KY%20461%20Widening.pdf

- Construction begins this year to widen KY 461 between US 150 and Interstate 75 in Mt. Vernon, which was built in 1985 with enough right-of-way to accommodate four lanes: https://transportation.ky.gov/Planning/Pages/Project-Details.aspx?Project=KY+461+from+US+150+to+US+25+DNA+Study

amroad17

I and my wife took a road trip to visit the Elderberry Company in New Albany, IN.  I decided to write this entry in the Kentucky thread because of some "road enthusiast" items observed and completed. 

The trip was fairly uneventful as far as some road trips go.  We left around 9 am and arrived at New Albany at 10:50 am.  On I-71, I observed a new interchange built but not yet opened, Exit 20.  It shows on Google maps as LaGrange Parkway, however, it is named after someone whose name I cannot remember.  Signs are posted, which appear as if they were posted within the last week.  I then got to clinch the remaining section of I-265/IN 265/KY 841 by traveling over the Lewis and Clark Bridge (and its $5.04 toll-by-plate amount) since the Sherman Minton was closed a couple of days ago.  After purchasing some items at the Elderberry store, we walked around Pearl, Market, and Spring Streets—observing the lack of stores opened and the lack of traffic on the "broken bridge".  :D  Drove to Sellersburg, IN for lunch at the Cracker Barrel and was determined to find a way toward home without driving over the toll bridges. 

I decided to drive to Madison, IN and cross the Ohio on the Milton-Madison Bridge.  As posted in the Indiana thread, IN 56 now bypasses Madison around the north following IN 62 and US 421.  We drove the old IN 56 route into Madison.  I noticed that IN 7 ends where it used to intersect with IN 56.

After crossing into Kentucky, we took KY 36 from Milton to Carrollton—where I observed another route change.  Judging by the signage, KY 227 now ends where it intersects KY 36 just inside the southern city limits of Carrollton.  KY 36 is signed alone from there to US 42.  There is a TO KY 227 with a right arrow as one makes the turn from US 42 EB to KY 36 EB and a JCT KY 227 sign as one approaches the intersection from the north.

After getting back on I-71 NB, I decided to check out the finished Richwood road work.  The KY 338 interchange with I-75/71 is a DDI (or DDC).  The interchange with US 25 is a SPUI.  KY 338 is signed EAST-WEST here (was signed SOUTH-NORTH) which is fine since the route is East-West from here to near Rabbit Hash, where the route does become South-North.  It appears to be signed east of US 25, probably to the Richwood-Shorland intersection in the industrial area.

I also checked the progress of the Mt. Zion relocation east of US 25.  This is not yet finished as it seems as the two roundabouts were completed to their present form with traffic still two lanes.  The relocation ends about 0.25 miles west of the Bristow-Mt. Zion intersection although utility relocation has occurred around that intersection as it appears the when the next section of the project begins, the road will be relocated about 150-200 feet north of the current road. 

Traveling on Bristow north back toward Erlanger, utility relocation and tree clearing is currently underway as it appears that this section will be widened to the Mt. Zion intersection.  A welcome relief since KY 1303 (Bristow and Turkeyfoot Rds) is 4-lanes with a center turn lane from Edgewood to about 0.3 miles south of the Bristow/Turkeyfoot/Richardson intersection, where it becomes a windy two lane road next to a creek to Mt. Zion.

All in all, for a couple that does not go out as much as we used to, it was an enjoyable day of driving—a sunny, cloudless day along with a few road observations to satisfy my whims.  :thumbsup:
I don't need a GPS.  I AM the GPS! (for family and friends)

seicer


hbelkins

The KY 227 change is consistent with Kentucky's decision to no longer officially recognize concurrencies.


Government would be tolerable if not for politicians and bureaucrats.

seicer

Interesting - so will this be like Arkansas, and they will just not sign state route concurrencies at all?

hbelkins

It's already a mishmash of signage practices. District 8 (Somerset) is getting away from signing concurrencies, as in many cases they will just use a "To" sign where a concurrency begins. See the KY 55 bypass of Columbia where KY 61 is concurrent, and KY 80 where it's concurrent with KY 61.


Government would be tolerable if not for politicians and bureaucrats.

Rothman

Quote from: hbelkins on April 04, 2024, 01:52:50 PMIt's already a mishmash of signage practices. District 8 (Somerset) is getting away from signing concurrencies, as in many cases they will just use a "To" sign where a concurrency begins. See the KY 55 bypass of Columbia where KY 61 is concurrent, and KY 80 where it's concurrent with KY 61.

Yeah, they should have just stuck with the concurrencies.  Seems silly now with the hodgepodge.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

bandit957

Quote from: hbelkins on April 04, 2024, 01:13:24 PMThe KY 227 change is consistent with Kentucky's decision to no longer officially recognize concurrencies.

Around here, they still sign concurrencies as they always did.
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hbelkins

Quote from: bandit957 on April 04, 2024, 11:41:43 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 04, 2024, 01:13:24 PMThe KY 227 change is consistent with Kentucky's decision to no longer officially recognize concurrencies.

Around here, they still sign concurrencies as they always did.

For the most part, that's true here as well.

Of course, the KY 227 example is one of what I call a "useless" concurrency; meaning where one part of the concurrency continues (KY 36) while another part (KY 227) ends. And that's a throwback to when KY 227 was US 227. Since the lower number takes precedence over the higher number when the two routes are of equal classification, there's really no need for KY 227 to continue beyond the KY 36 intersection south of US 42.


Government would be tolerable if not for politicians and bureaucrats.

seicer


hbelkins

A few years ago, the Kentucky legislature officially changed the name of the Cumberland Parkway to the Cumberland Expressway. I was told by the bill's sponsor that this was done to expedite and facilitate the conversion of the road to I-365, although nothing similar was done to the Purchase, WK, Pennyrile, or Green River Natcher parkways when they became interstates.

I recently drove most of the Cumberland Park/Expressway (from Exit 86 to Exit 1) and noticed that the signs have all been changed along the route in the District 3 (Bowling Green) counties of Metcalfe and Barren. A glance at the KYTC photolog shows that most of the signs along the intersecting routes have been changed as well -- although the overheads on I-65 have not been changed. However, the signs along the route in the District 8 (Somerset) counties of Adair, Russell, and Pulaski have not been changed. The only "Cumberland Expressway" sign I've seen in District 8 is on westbound KY 80 at US 27, where there's a "To Cumberland Expressway (right arrow)" sign. (I find it faster to continue straight at that intersection onto the old alignment of the parkway, as opposed to going north on US 27 for a couple of miles before getting on the parkway where it was extended to become part of the future northern Somerset bypass.)

What makes that more interesting is that the bill's sponsor is from Somerset.


Government would be tolerable if not for politicians and bureaucrats.

seicer

#687
KY 168 Corridor Study has been released. The road through Westwood could use curb/gutter and sidewalks, an all-stop at Roberts Drive, and a slightly wider roadway with larger curb/gutter and ADA-compliant sidewalks throughout Ashland. The stop sign has already been installed at Roberts Drive.

I'm glad the three-lane alternative was dismissed. It wasn't a popular consideration because it would require many right-of-way purchases and residential demolitions. The other ideas seem solid.

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The US 460 reconstruction project in Menifee and Morgan Counties has advanced with three alternatives:

wriddle082

Quote from: seicer on May 06, 2024, 09:58:25 AMKY 168 Corridor Study has been released. The road through Westwood could use curb/gutter and sidewalks, an all-stop at Roberts Drive, and a slightly wider roadway with larger curb/gutter and ADA-compliant sidewalks throughout Ashland. The stop sign has already been installed at Roberts Drive.

I'm glad the three-lane alternative was dismissed. It wasn't a popular consideration because it would require many right-of-way purchases and residential demolitions. The other ideas seem solid.


Do any trains use the old rail line that runs parallel to Roberts Drive?  I guess it must not be an issue for cars to be stopped on the tracks on 168 waiting in cue at the stop sign.

seicer

CSX (Y202) serves Kentucky Electric Steel (Steel Dynamics) at Coalton one day per week.

Trash trains (Y206) stopped serving the landfill at Princess in 2016 because of environmental issues, illegal permitting, and complaints. The line previously served a brickyard at Princess but that was torn down for the landfill rail yard.

seicer

New Google Map aerials for the Richwood Road interchange project are now available here. I wasn't aware they had built an interchange at US 25. Interestingly, there is a very wide overpass for CSX's CC line, which was recently downgraded and single-tracked for most of its length. I wonder if they are planning for a small yard or passing track here, but given that this line isn't growing - perhaps it's for wishful thinking?

madbengalsfan85

Looks like KYDOT is starting the next phase of widening 64/75, jersey barriers installed from Paris Pike to 111

XamotCGC

This is a question about the I 65 and I 264 interchange at the airport in Louisville. I'm just curious why was the interchange switched from four leaf clover ramps to fly over ramps?  I been looking at Historic Aerials of the area out of boredom.   
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Rothman

Quote from: XamotCGC on May 19, 2024, 09:33:36 PMThis is a question about the I 65 and I 264 interchange at the airport in Louisville. I'm just curious why was the interchange switched from four leaf clover ramps to fly over ramps?  I been looking at Historic Aerials of the area out of boredom.   

Cloverleafs are considered obsolete due to the weaving caused and slowing of traffic by those four tight ramps.  Flyovers remove those concerns.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

ilpt4u

Quote from: Rothman on May 19, 2024, 10:28:36 PM
Quote from: XamotCGC on May 19, 2024, 09:33:36 PMThis is a question about the I 65 and I 264 interchange at the airport in Louisville. I'm just curious why was the interchange switched from four leaf clover ramps to fly over ramps?  I been looking at Historic Aerials of the area out of boredom.   
Cloverleafs are considered obsolete due to the weaving caused and slowing of traffic by those four tight ramps.  Flyovers remove those concerns.
Also the 65/264 interchange is a gateway for visitors: The Airport, Churchill Downs, the Convention Center, and Kentucky Kingdom are all near the interchange.

Important for upgraded/modern infrastructure at critical transportation hubs. Remember, KSDF is UPS's major US hub, as well.

I'm sure KYTC did planning and studies as appropriate for the upgrade

hbelkins

Quote from: XamotCGC on May 19, 2024, 09:33:36 PMThis is a question about the I 65 and I 264 interchange at the airport in Louisville. I'm just curious why was the interchange switched from four leaf clover ramps to fly over ramps?  I been looking at Historic Aerials of the area out of boredom.   

Same reason KYTC is doing away with the cloverleafs at I-265 and I-64 and I-71. Slow, tight curves and short weaving areas make for congestion and lots of fender-benders. Cloverleafs are OK with decent C/D lanes (I-65 and I-165/former Green River-Natcher Parkway and I-65 and WK Parkway) or in lower-volume rural interchanges (WK and I-165/former Green River-Natcher) but not when you have high traffic volumes such as around Louisville.


Government would be tolerable if not for politicians and bureaucrats.

Georgia Guardrail

What's odd about this project is they are replacing the two cloverleafs on the east side of the interchange with flyovers (good) and retaining the west side cloverleafs without adding any new CD lanes (missed opportunity).  So you'll still have those weaving issues for people entering and exiting I-265 south on the west cloverleafs. 

KelleyCook

Quote from: Georgia Guardrail on May 29, 2024, 11:40:38 PMthey are replacing the two cloverleafs on the east side of the interchange with flyovers (good) and retaining the west side cloverleafs without adding any new CD lanes (missed opportunity).  So you'll still have those weaving issues for people entering and exiting I-265 south on the west cloverleafs. 

All true, but the safety data I265 at I64 interchange on this page showed that most of the accidents were occurring on I-64 and NB I-265.  And on this page, they don't even show an alternatives for replacing all four loops (alt 2 is notably not-present).  As always, one can assume cost was a factor.

hbelkins

Quote from: Georgia Guardrail on May 29, 2024, 11:40:38 PMWhat's odd about this project is they are replacing the two cloverleafs on the east side of the interchange with flyovers (good) and retaining the west side cloverleafs without adding any new CD lanes (missed opportunity).  So you'll still have those weaving issues for people entering and exiting I-265 south on the west cloverleafs. 

Unfortunately, the movement I would use the most is I-64 west to I-265 south, which still involves the loop ramp and short merge area on the bridge.


Government would be tolerable if not for politicians and bureaucrats.

wriddle082

Quote from: hbelkins on May 30, 2024, 03:27:45 PM
Quote from: Georgia Guardrail on May 29, 2024, 11:40:38 PMWhat's odd about this project is they are replacing the two cloverleafs on the east side of the interchange with flyovers (good) and retaining the west side cloverleafs without adding any new CD lanes (missed opportunity).  So you'll still have those weaving issues for people entering and exiting I-265 south on the west cloverleafs. 

Unfortunately, the movement I would use the most is I-64 west to I-265 south, which still involves the loop ramp and short merge area on the bridge.

But at least that bridge will be wider since they're widening 265 in that area to six lanes.  So more room for cars to get out of the way of the weaving traffic.



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