So name some really desolate places really close to a metropolitan area. This is mapped as Miami, FL.
https://www.google.com/maps/@25.6474508,-80.5706903,3a,75y,244.98h,71.29t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPh3eYvo4lG9nkxhJO1VrZw!2e0!7i3328!8i1664 (https://www.google.com/maps/@25.6474508,-80.5706903,3a,75y,244.98h,71.29t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPh3eYvo4lG9nkxhJO1VrZw!2e0!7i3328!8i1664)
Assuming you're counting land only (the oceans obviously don't have humans living there), the Everglades and the Miami metro area are going to be the best example in the United States. There was a similar thread about this; it was slightly different, as the other thread was about places that feel desolate, while this one is about places that are desolate.
You don't have to go too far out of El Paso to find this sort of country (https://goo.gl/maps/PEuWqXaoYhD2). I remember flying into El Paso, looking down at all the red dirt and wondering if there was a city anywhere nearby.
ETA – This (https://goo.gl/maps/GYHg2DewjzB2), for example, is just 10 miles away from Wal-Mart, Lowe's, PetSmart, fast food, ...
The Apache Trail on AZ 88 on the Salt River is a pretty dramatic shift from urban Phoenix. The Everglades literally just suddenly starts west of Miami with no transition.
Before clicking on this thread, I knew Miami, Florida would be the perfect example of this in the United States. It's hard to beat all the Highways and suburbia that instantly turn into the swampy, barely-populated Everglades as you head West. The Miami Metro Area is incredibly large and populated; however it is much, much longer north-south than it is east-west. There is definitely an abrupt change of scenery at the western edge of the metro area that is hard to beat.
Trying to think of other examples:
1) Denver, Colorado comes to mind. I'm not certain how concentrated of people the mountains right directly west of Denver are, but it seems like they must be at least somewhat desolate. With mountains (especially huge ones like the Rockies) being large natural geographic barriers, it is not too surprising of the abrupt change that happens when traveling West out of the Denver Metro Area. On the other side, I'm not sure exactly how abrupt the change is, but it seems like that, in places, the Great Plains are somewhat desolate, and of course that is what lies directly on the east side of the Denver Metro Area.
2) New Orleans, Louisiana is probably in a similar boat as Miami. I've never been there (though I have seen road videos, pictures, street-view, and more from the area), but I am guessing that since the New Orleans Metro Area is below sea level, close to the coast, and IIRC, surrounded by marshlands, there is probably a pretty abrupt change of scenery when exiting the Metro Area in any direction.
I can't think of any other possible metropolitan areas regarding this at the moment (that I know for certain), though places other people have mentioned such as El Paso, Texas definitely sound and seem like they would be good contenders.
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on January 12, 2018, 03:13:07 PM
1) Denver, Colorado comes to mind. I'm not certain how concentrated of people the mountains right directly west of Denver are, but it seems like they must be at least somewhat desolate. With mountains (especially huge ones like the Rockies) being large natural geographic barriers, it is not too surprising of the abrupt change that happens when traveling West out of the Denver Metro Area. On the other side, I'm not sure exactly how abrupt the change is, but it seems like that, in places, the Great Plains are somewhat desolate, and of course that is what lies directly on the east side of the Denver Metro Area.
It's very noticeable when you come or go via US-6.
This (https://goo.gl/maps/Va4AZe1G1Nk), for example, is the view just 1½ miles from the restaurants and microbreweries of downtown Golden.
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on January 12, 2018, 03:13:07 PM
Before clicking on this thread, I knew Miami, Florida would be the perfect example of this in the United States. It's hard to beat all the Highways and suburbia that instantly turn into the swampy, barely-populated Everglades as you head West. The Miami Metro Area is incredibly large and populated; however it is much, much longer north-south than it is east-west. There is definitely an abrupt change of scenery at the western edge of the metro area that is hard to beat.
Trying to think of other examples:
1) Denver, Colorado comes to mind. I'm not certain how concentrated of people the mountains right directly west of Denver are, but it seems like they must be at least somewhat desolate. With mountains (especially huge ones like the Rockies) being large natural geographic barriers, it is not too surprising of the abrupt change that happens when traveling West out of the Denver Metro Area. On the other side, I'm not sure exactly how abrupt the change is, but it seems like that, in places, the Great Plains are somewhat desolate, and of course that is what lies directly on the east side of the Denver Metro Area.
2) New Orleans, Louisiana is probably in a similar boat as Miami. I've never been there (though I have seen road videos, pictures, street-view, and more from the area), but I am guessing that since the New Orleans Metro Area is below sea level, close to the coast, and IIRC, surrounded by marshlands, there is probably a pretty abrupt change of scenery when exiting the Metro Area in any direction.
I can't think of any other possible metropolitan areas regarding this at the moment (that I know for certain), though places other people have mentioned such as El Paso, Texas definitely sound and seem like they would be good contenders.
El Paso east on US 180/62 is especially desolate heading towards the Guadalupe Mountains. So desolate in fact that you warned there isn't gas for I want to say about 100 miles to Carlsbad? Really there is nice scenery with the Salt Flat, Guadalupe Mountains National Park, and even Carlsbad Caverns if you are willing to explore a little. North on US 54 skirts the White Sands Missile Range but the road feels far more traveled than US 180/62.
West of Salt Lake City on I-80 and north of Las Vegas on US-95 come to mind.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 12, 2018, 03:29:23 PM
So desolate in fact that you warned there isn't gas for I want to say about 100 miles to Carlsbad?
And, really, who wants to pay the Carlsbad price of gasoline?
Quote from: kphoger on January 12, 2018, 02:41:43 PM
Wal-Mart, Lowe's, PetSmart, fast food, ...
That sounds pretty desolate to me :)
I would say any of the desert metro areas (Las Vegas, Phoenix, Albuquerque, etc.) have at least the level of desolation within the same amount of distance (or less) than the OP - and perhaps even more desolate, since those areas are largely void of vegetation. Similar with the high desert exurbs of Los Angeles (Lancaster/Palmdale, Victorville/Hesperia):
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.7627181,-118.094736,3a,60y,53.38h,85.13t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDTdDtbANayRKg4854UuN9g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
This is less than four miles from suburbia (as opposed to nearly 8 miles in the OP).
Quote from: DTComposer on January 12, 2018, 03:41:59 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 12, 2018, 02:41:43 PM
Wal-Mart, Lowe's, PetSmart, fast food, ...
That sounds pretty desolate to me :)
I would say any of the desert metro areas (Las Vegas, Phoenix, Albuquerque, etc.) have at least the level of desolation within the same amount of distance (or less) than the OP - and perhaps even more desolate, since those areas are largely void of vegetation. Similar with the high desert exurbs of Los Angeles (Lancaster/Palmdale, Victorville/Hesperia):
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.7627181,-118.094736,3a,60y,53.38h,85.13t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDTdDtbANayRKg4854UuN9g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
This is less than four miles from suburbia (as opposed to nearly 8 miles in the OP).
That is a good example showing that the sprawl of Los Angeles is all the way to Lancaster.
Here in Rochester we don't have anything that can compete on a national level. However, the areas south and west of the airport turn rural very quickly, with basically only the airport lying between the city and farmland.
We also had another thread in which we talked about fast changes from urban/suburban to rural. I imagine many of the same places (El Paso, Miami) would qualify for both threads.
Quote from: DTComposer on January 12, 2018, 03:41:59 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 12, 2018, 02:41:43 PM
Wal-Mart, Lowe's, PetSmart, fast food, ...
That sounds pretty desolate to me :)
His link does, indeed, show a very desolate area. The aforementioned stores cannot be seen from the link.
Quote from: kphoger on January 12, 2018, 03:40:50 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 12, 2018, 03:29:23 PM
So desolate in fact that you warned there isn't gas for I want to say about 100 miles to Carlsbad?
And, really, who wants to pay the Carlsbad price of gasoline?
I'm sure there are plenty of folks willing to pay if they weren't prepared leaving El Paso. Even near El Paso on US 180/62 it is hard finding gas until near the junction with TX 375. I usually didn't need gas at least until Roswell which was a little cheaper. I want to say even in the low elevations of New Mexico they were still trying to peddle 85 octane as "regular unleaded."
85 octane in Mexico or New Mexico?
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on January 12, 2018, 04:40:38 PM
85 octane in Mexico or New Mexico?
New Mexico, it is fairly common in Mountain States. Mid-Grade is usually 88 octane.
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on January 12, 2018, 04:40:38 PM
85 octane in Mexico or New Mexico?
Regular is 87 octane in Mexico. I took this picture in Monclova, Coahuila:
(https://i.imgur.com/FNz4RbQ.png)
Regular is 85 octane everywhere I've been in Colorado, even Burlington. I took this picture in Pueblo, Colorado:
(https://i.imgur.com/8th2Mn9.jpg)
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 12, 2018, 04:41:56 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on January 12, 2018, 04:40:38 PM
85 octane in Mexico or New Mexico?
New Mexico, it is fairly common in Mountain States. Mid-Grade is usually 88 octane.
In my experience, New Mexico usually uses 86, unlike the 85 that CO/WY/UT/Eastern Idaho use.
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on January 12, 2018, 03:45:50 PM
Quote from: DTComposer on January 12, 2018, 03:41:59 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 12, 2018, 02:41:43 PM
Wal-Mart, Lowe's, PetSmart, fast food, ...
That sounds pretty desolate to me :)
I would say any of the desert metro areas (Las Vegas, Phoenix, Albuquerque, etc.) have at least the level of desolation within the same amount of distance (or less) than the OP - and perhaps even more desolate, since those areas are largely void of vegetation. Similar with the high desert exurbs of Los Angeles (Lancaster/Palmdale, Victorville/Hesperia):
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.7627181,-118.094736,3a,60y,53.38h,85.13t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDTdDtbANayRKg4854UuN9g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
This is less than four miles from suburbia (as opposed to nearly 8 miles in the OP).
That is a good example showing that the sprawl of Los Angeles is all the way to Lancaster.
Not really - and it depends on your definition of "sprawl."
First, it's not continuous - there's 15 miles of rural area along CA-14 between Santa Clarita and Palmdale, and another few miles between Santa Clarita and L.A. itself - notice that I called them exurbs, not suburbs.
Second, if "sprawl" is defined as low-density urban development, then these exurbs are not nearly as "sprawl"-like as most urban areas, including Philadelphia, Boston, Cincinnati, Dallas, Atlanta, etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_urban_areas
Sort the table by density, and you'll find that most California urban areas are surprisingly non-sprawling - and include 7 of the top 10 most dense areas.
Now, if you define "sprawl" as cookie-cutter in terms of architectural styles, well then, you have a point, but you can make that argument for most sections of most cities in the country.
Quote from: webny99 on January 12, 2018, 03:48:42 PM
Quote from: DTComposer on January 12, 2018, 03:41:59 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 12, 2018, 02:41:43 PM
Wal-Mart, Lowe's, PetSmart, fast food, ...
That sounds pretty desolate to me :)
His link does, indeed, show a very desolate area. The aforementioned stores cannot be seen from the link.
My sarcasm was lost (should have picked a better smiley). It was an attempt at a joke about the same-ness of big box stores throughout the country, stripping individual cities of their individual character.
Quote from: corco on January 12, 2018, 04:58:18 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 12, 2018, 04:41:56 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on January 12, 2018, 04:40:38 PM
85 octane in Mexico or New Mexico?
New Mexico, it is fairly common in Mountain States. Mid-Grade is usually 88 octane.
In my experience, New Mexico usually uses 86, unlike the 85 that CO/WY/UT/Eastern Idaho use.
Usually I was up in Ruidoso or Alamogordo but it was years ago so I could be mistaken. I believe it clicked down to 85 in the Sierra Blancas and certain heights.. Isn't the degraded octane for some sort of emissions purpose?
The Dismal Swamp in the Hampton Roads area in Virginia.
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.7890604,-76.144595,61390m/data=!3m1!1e3
Per Wiki --
The Great Dismal Swamp is a large swamp in the Coastal Plain Region of southeastern Virginia and northeastern North Carolina, between Norfolk, Virginia, and Elizabeth City, North Carolina. It is located in parts of the southern Virginia independent cities of Chesapeake and Suffolk and northern North Carolina counties of Gates, Pasquotank, and Camden. Some estimates place the size of the original swamp at over one million acres (4,000 km2), stretching from Norfolk, Virginia to Edenton, North Carolina.
It is a southern swamp, one of many along the Atlantic Ocean's coast, including the Everglades and Big Cypress Swamp in Florida, the Okefenokee Swamp in Georgia, the Congaree Swamp of South Carolina, and some of the Carolina bays in the Carolinas and Georgia.
Lake Drummond, a 3,100-acre (13 km2) natural lake, is located in the heart of the swamp. The lake, a remarkably circular body of water, is one of only two natural lakes in Virginia. Along the Great Dismal Swamp's eastern edge runs the Dismal Swamp Canal, completed in 1805.
The cascades are just east of Portland and especially Seattle.
This (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4937993,0.2065433,3a,75y,296.51h,102.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssiTbj96lLqiF6TnukxXSug!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) is inside the M25. Marshland stops easy building, and this is on the edge of a bird sanctuary.
If you look at a CA state map, the area north of Santa Barbara (and bounded by CA 192, CA 154, US 101, CA 166, CA 33, and CA 150) is one of the most desolate areas located anywhere near the populated area (Ventura County and south & west Santa Barbara County). Recently in the news because of the massive Thomas wildfire and ensuing mudslides in Montecito (at the southern edge of this wilderness), it is a complex of canyons and ridges without much in the way of developable flatter sections -- which is why it has remained largely untouched and uninhabited since CA was settled. Driving up CA 33 from Ojai to CA 166 certainly gives one an idea of this particular topography (I highly recommend that drive in any case; one of the more scenic in SoCal).
Closest in Boston area is Dover and the towns in that area. Not actually very far from Boston but looks rural.
Quote from: sparker on January 13, 2018, 03:33:59 PM
If you look at a CA state map, the area north of Santa Barbara (and bounded by CA 192, CA 154, US 101, CA 166, CA 33, and CA 150) is one of the most desolate areas located anywhere near the populated area (Ventura County and south & west Santa Barbara County). Recently in the news because of the massive Thomas wildfire and ensuing mudslides in Montecito (at the southern edge of this wilderness), it is a complex of canyons and ridges without much in the way of developable flatter sections -- which is why it has remained largely untouched and uninhabited since CA was settled. Driving up CA 33 from Ojai to CA 166 certainly gives one an idea of this particular topography (I highly recommend that drive in any case; one of the more scenic in SoCal).
Which also happens to be part of the Old US 399 corridor. There are some awesome views of he snaking roadway north of Ventura.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 13, 2018, 03:39:44 PM
Closest in Boston area is Dover and the towns in that area. Not actually very far from Boston but looks rural.
The population of Dover MA is 6,279. Just because there are no numbered highways within its borders does not mean it is desolate.
Quote from: 1 on January 13, 2018, 03:43:30 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 13, 2018, 03:39:44 PM
Closest in Boston area is Dover and the towns in that area. Not actually very far from Boston but looks rural.
The population of Dover MA is 6,279. Just because there are no numbered highways within its borders does not mean it is desolate.
I know that it is not that rural, but most other towns that close to Boston look a lot more crowded.
The part of the St. Louis area between the Missouri and Mississippi Rivers didn't seem to be well populated the year I drove through there.
Nobody's mentioned the desolate areas IN Detroit yet?
They're not vast, but there are several areas where there's so little left standing that they were considering creating farms, even forestry.
Quote from: pdx-wanderer on January 12, 2018, 03:37:01 PM
West of Salt Lake City on I-80
This is about 10 miles west of Salt Lake City. (https://goo.gl/maps/BBRuZwPYjK82)
The reason they can’t build out there is mostly due to its low elevation. Some of that area is wetland, and most of it actually lies below the 4217-foot floodplain of the Great Salt Lake. If that wasn’t bad enough, the water table is probably quite high, and the soil isn’t that great either (which is why there isn’t any farming out there). The two major operations out that way are the SLC landfill and Kennecott Copper.
There are still a few horse ranches smack in the middle of Plano, Texas. Surrounded on all sides by subdivisions and businesses. Don't see how the owners can afford the property tax.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 13, 2018, 03:42:46 PM
Quote from: sparker on January 13, 2018, 03:33:59 PM
If you look at a CA state map, the area north of Santa Barbara (and bounded by CA 192, CA 154, US 101, CA 166, CA 33, and CA 150) is one of the most desolate areas located anywhere near the populated area (Ventura County and south & west Santa Barbara County). Recently in the news because of the massive Thomas wildfire and ensuing mudslides in Montecito (at the southern edge of this wilderness), it is a complex of canyons and ridges without much in the way of developable flatter sections -- which is why it has remained largely untouched and uninhabited since CA was settled. Driving up CA 33 from Ojai to CA 166 certainly gives one an idea of this particular topography (I highly recommend that drive in any case; one of the more scenic in SoCal).
Which also happens to be part of the Old US 399 corridor. There are some awesome views of he snaking roadway north of Ventura.
Snaking is a real understatement; the road takes a series of 180-degree turns to get up out of Matilija Canyon up to the summit in a relatively short distance. On a day that isn't foggy or hazy, from this section you can see all the way south into Ventura itself. Northward the drop into the Cuyama River valley isn't as pronounced; once down the hill it's pretty much a straight shot down the valley to the 166 junction. But for anyone interested in continuing the mountain journey, an eastward turn onto Lockwood Valley Road at Ozema toward Frazier Park (unnumbered county road, paved 2-lane) is available; it'll eventually dump you out onto I-5 just north of Tejon Pass.
Quote from: sparker on January 14, 2018, 02:10:10 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 13, 2018, 03:42:46 PM
Quote from: sparker on January 13, 2018, 03:33:59 PM
If you look at a CA state map, the area north of Santa Barbara (and bounded by CA 192, CA 154, US 101, CA 166, CA 33, and CA 150) is one of the most desolate areas located anywhere near the populated area (Ventura County and south & west Santa Barbara County). Recently in the news because of the massive Thomas wildfire and ensuing mudslides in Montecito (at the southern edge of this wilderness), it is a complex of canyons and ridges without much in the way of developable flatter sections -- which is why it has remained largely untouched and uninhabited since CA was settled. Driving up CA 33 from Ojai to CA 166 certainly gives one an idea of this particular topography (I highly recommend that drive in any case; one of the more scenic in SoCal).
Which also happens to be part of the Old US 399 corridor. There are some awesome views of he snaking roadway north of Ventura.
Snaking is a real understatement; the road takes a series of 180-degree turns to get up out of Matilija Canyon up to the summit in a relatively short distance. On a day that isn't foggy or hazy, from this section you can see all the way south into Ventura itself. Northward the drop into the Cuyama River valley isn't as pronounced; once down the hill it's pretty much a straight shot down the valley to the 166 junction. But for anyone interested in continuing the mountain journey, an eastward turn onto Lockwood Valley Road at Ozema toward Frazier Park (unnumbered county road, paved 2-lane) is available; it'll eventually dump you out onto I-5 just north of Tejon Pass.
This happens a lot in California: Hills that are too steep or too unstable on which to build or farm and water looking for a new way to the ocean. A lot of CASR-1 was built way above sea level on stilts because there was no stable route at a lower altitude.
Santa Clara and Monterey counties (both with top 50 MSAs) have extensive rural areas.
Quote from: michravera on January 14, 2018, 11:23:41 AM
Quote from: sparker on January 14, 2018, 02:10:10 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 13, 2018, 03:42:46 PM
Quote from: sparker on January 13, 2018, 03:33:59 PM
If you look at a CA state map, the area north of Santa Barbara (and bounded by CA 192, CA 154, US 101, CA 166, CA 33, and CA 150) is one of the most desolate areas located anywhere near the populated area (Ventura County and south & west Santa Barbara County). Recently in the news because of the massive Thomas wildfire and ensuing mudslides in Montecito (at the southern edge of this wilderness), it is a complex of canyons and ridges without much in the way of developable flatter sections -- which is why it has remained largely untouched and uninhabited since CA was settled. Driving up CA 33 from Ojai to CA 166 certainly gives one an idea of this particular topography (I highly recommend that drive in any case; one of the more scenic in SoCal).
Which also happens to be part of the Old US 399 corridor. There are some awesome views of he snaking roadway north of Ventura.
Snaking is a real understatement; the road takes a series of 180-degree turns to get up out of Matilija Canyon up to the summit in a relatively short distance. On a day that isn't foggy or hazy, from this section you can see all the way south into Ventura itself. Northward the drop into the Cuyama River valley isn't as pronounced; once down the hill it's pretty much a straight shot down the valley to the 166 junction. But for anyone interested in continuing the mountain journey, an eastward turn onto Lockwood Valley Road at Ozema toward Frazier Park (unnumbered county road, paved 2-lane) is available; it'll eventually dump you out onto I-5 just north of Tejon Pass.
This happens a lot in California: Hills that are too steep or too unstable on which to build or farm and water looking for a new way to the ocean. A lot of CASR-1 was built way above sea level on stilts because there was no stable route at a lower altitude.
Santa Clara and Monterey counties (both with top 50 MSAs) have extensive rural areas.
But then you have the reserve happening also. There is a population band stretching east and north out of Fresno on 41 in addition to 180 in the Sierras. The real drop off is to the South immediately outside the city limits on 41. The only major community between on 41 south to Paso Robles would be Lemoore, otherwise it is a pretty sparsely populated part of the Central Valley. The Tulare Lake Basin and watershed area to the north essentially makes anything but farm land development impractical.
Stony Valley in Pennsylvania is a particularly desolate narrow strip between two ridges a mere ten miles north of the Capitol Complex.
Though Harrisburg isn't exactly a bustling metropolis, Stony Valley's seclusion is remarkable because even rural areas of Pennsylvania tend to have a certain minimum distribution of population and development. It seems that no matter where you go in the Keystone State, no matter how far removed from anything resembling a city, you're nearly always within a mile of a home, a farm, or some kind of business.
But in Stony Valley, you can either bike or hike for about 18 miles–from Ellendale Forge near the borough of Dauphin to Gold Mine Road near Swatara State Park–without seeing any homes, roads, power lines...almost no trace of human development whatsoever except for the trail itself. And if you go there on a weekday, you might not see any human beings either. You can't hear any sounds of the human world either–just the wind through the trees, water running through creeks, and the occasional animal.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstonyvalley.com%2Frailtrail.jpg&hash=bc382edfd56d0e529e466830bde70a78595f8b81)
Quote from: briantroutman on January 14, 2018, 12:18:39 PM
Though Harrisburg isn't exactly a bustling metropolis, Stony Valley's seclusion is remarkable because even rural areas of Pennsylvania tend to have a certain minimum distribution of population and development. It seems that no matter where you go in the Keystone State, no matter how far removed from anything resembling a city, you're nearly always within a mile of a home, a farm, or some kind of business.
Nearly all rural areas are populated, just not in urban fashion; they rarely empty. About 20% of U.S. population is in rural areas.
I do agree that some rural areas of Pennsylvania are what should probably have a definition of its own, much of counties like Lancaster and Berks have what I would call "heavily populated rural areas", lots of homes and buildings visible, but not in urban clusters.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 13, 2018, 03:44:40 PM
Quote from: 1 on January 13, 2018, 03:43:30 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 13, 2018, 03:39:44 PM
Closest in Boston area is Dover and the towns in that area. Not actually very far from Boston but looks rural.
The population of Dover MA is 6,279. Just because there are no numbered highways within its borders does not mean it is desolate.
I know that it is not that rural, but most other towns that close to Boston look a lot more crowded.
Dover, Massachusetts is definitely, definitely not desolate. Rural does not necessarily equal desolate. I don't even know if I would call the town rural - it's still got a fair bit of stuff, and it is very, very close to Boston.
Desolate would describe places like the Everglades and parts of the Mojave Desert.
IMO, this is a good comparison between rural (https://goo.gl/maps/p2czvNncabn) and desolate (https://goo.gl/maps/EY32JspXVTC2).
The distinction I'd make is that rural areas have farms or ranches, or at least some sign of human activity. Truly desolate areas have absolutely nothing.
The New Jersey Pine Barrens are very desolate, for the Northeast at least. 30 miles east of Philadelphia and 60 miles south of NYC
Okeefenokee Swamp and into Osceola National Forest is really close to Jacksonville. Similar to Miami being close to Everglades. Although I don't think anywhere is as drastic as South Florida.
The desolate areas are usually swampy, not useful for agriculture, so no one settled there. Agriculture tends to makes an area not be desolate, there are farm/ranch buildings, houses and small settlements as well as other signs of human activity
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Quote from: GaryV on January 13, 2018, 06:43:55 PM
Nobody's mentioned the desolate areas IN Detroit yet?
They're not vast, but there are several areas where there's so little left standing that they were considering creating farms, even forestry.
Granted there are several large areas of Detroit that are pretty empty I can't think of one part of the city that is completely void of any type of life. I'd like to see if there is such an area in Detroit. About six years ago I had to go to Southgate one day and decided I wanted to try to find a part of Detroit that was just pure abandoned with no sign of life, so I was in the North End section of Detroit and decided to take a drive along Philadelphia Avenue to which it seemed like every house was abandoned and some were in such poor shape that they had collapsed porches and collapsed other things on the house.
To me the most empty part of Detroit would probably be the area near the old Packard Plant. I was driving around Detroit with a friend of mine and took Grand Blvd. around the loop but when I got to the Packard Plant I turned on Concord and just before I turned I told my friend it's about to look real ghetto here in a second, made that turn and it was exactly what I said which wasn't really a surprise to me since I'd been around the Packard Plant numerous times before.
Btw, the most dangerous zip code in Detroit is probably 48205.
I just noticed how big in area King County, Washington is. I can imagine the eastern section of the county is pretty desolate in places and of course the western section of the county is Seattle and it's suburbs.
For an example outside the USA:
While Reykjavik wouldn't really be on the radar as a "metropolitan area" by US standards (regional population just over 200k), it is Iceland's largest city, and I'd say this view on route 41 about eight miles outside of downtown (https://www.google.com/maps/@64.037935,-22.0625169,3a,75y,266.12h,97.15t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sAGM4HIltaKF-MYXjv-Q1EA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DAGM4HIltaKF-MYXjv-Q1EA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D348.95605%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en) is about as desolate as it gets.
Las Vegas is pretty desolate in several directions. Almost nobody lives on the US 95 corridor to the northwest aside from some small little towns and military installations associated with Nellis and the Nevada Test Site. US 93 to the north is much of the same with lightly populated towns well past their mining glory days. The shift to open desert is pretty abrupt for the most.
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on January 12, 2018, 03:13:07 PM
Before clicking on this thread, I knew Miami, Florida would be the perfect example of this in the United States. It's hard to beat all the Highways and suburbia that instantly turn into the swampy, barely-populated Everglades as you head West. The Miami Metro Area is incredibly large and populated; however it is much, much longer north-south than it is east-west. There is definitely an abrupt change of scenery at the western edge of the metro area that is hard to beat.
Trying to think of other examples:
1) Denver, Colorado comes to mind. I'm not certain how concentrated of people the mountains right directly west of Denver are, but it seems like they must be at least somewhat desolate. With mountains (especially huge ones like the Rockies) being large natural geographic barriers, it is not too surprising of the abrupt change that happens when traveling West out of the Denver Metro Area. On the other side, I'm not sure exactly how abrupt the change is, but it seems like that, in places, the Great Plains are somewhat desolate, and of course that is what lies directly on the east side of the Denver Metro Area.
In less than a 10-minute drive on I-70, you can go from a 8-10 lane freeway near I-225 and Pena Boulevard/DIA to a quiet 4-lane rural interstate east of Colfax/BL-70.
To prove it, there are many times in the winter months when there are significant snowfalls, that they will close I-70 from a few miles east of Pena/E-470 all the way to the Kansas state line because the traffic counts drop so quickly.
And in the Midwest, as I have mentioned before, is the immediate urban/rural switch when you cross over the OH/MI state line in Toledo on I-75 or US-23. Michigan did a pretty good job in keeping businesses and subdivisions from overflowing from Toledo over the decades.
Nothing anywhere near Chicago.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 12, 2018, 05:06:41 PM
Quote from: corco on January 12, 2018, 04:58:18 PM
In my experience, New Mexico usually uses 86, unlike the 85 that CO/WY/UT/Eastern Idaho use.
Usually I was up in Ruidoso or Alamogordo but it was years ago so I could be mistaken. I believe it clicked down to 85 in the Sierra Blancas and certain heights.. Isn't the degraded octane for some sort of emissions purpose?
The higher the elevation, the less octane is required to keep your engine from knocking. If higher octane isn't needed, then why sell it?
What I find interesting is that regular in Guatemala is 88 RON (approximately 84½ AKI). This might be fine in high-elevation cities such as Guatemala City and Xela, but how to people's cars manage to handle that low of an octane rating up in Puerto Barrios (barely over 2000 feet) or the Petén (less than 1000 feet)?
Quote from: briantroutman on January 14, 2018, 12:18:39 PM
Stony Valley in Pennsylvania is a particularly desolate narrow strip between two ridges a mere ten miles north of the Capitol Complex.
Though Harrisburg isn't exactly a bustling metropolis, Stony Valley's seclusion is remarkable because even rural areas of Pennsylvania tend to have a certain minimum distribution of population and development. It seems that no matter where you go in the Keystone State, no matter how far removed from anything resembling a city, you're nearly always within a mile of a home, a farm, or some kind of business.
But in Stony Valley, you can either bike or hike for about 18 miles–from Ellendale Forge near the borough of Dauphin to Gold Mine Road near Swatara State Park–without seeing any homes, roads, power lines...almost no trace of human development whatsoever except for the trail itself. And if you go there on a weekday, you might not see any human beings either. You can't hear any sounds of the human world either–just the wind through the trees, water running through creeks, and the occasional animal.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstonyvalley.com%2Frailtrail.jpg&hash=bc382edfd56d0e529e466830bde70a78595f8b81)
Sounds like a place I'd love to be.
Quote from: thenetwork on January 15, 2018, 11:12:48 AM
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on January 12, 2018, 03:13:07 PM
Before clicking on this thread, I knew Miami, Florida would be the perfect example of this in the United States. It's hard to beat all the Highways and suburbia that instantly turn into the swampy, barely-populated Everglades as you head West. The Miami Metro Area is incredibly large and populated; however it is much, much longer north-south than it is east-west. There is definitely an abrupt change of scenery at the western edge of the metro area that is hard to beat.
Trying to think of other examples:
1) Denver, Colorado comes to mind. I'm not certain how concentrated of people the mountains right directly west of Denver are, but it seems like they must be at least somewhat desolate. With mountains (especially huge ones like the Rockies) being large natural geographic barriers, it is not too surprising of the abrupt change that happens when traveling West out of the Denver Metro Area. On the other side, I'm not sure exactly how abrupt the change is, but it seems like that, in places, the Great Plains are somewhat desolate, and of course that is what lies directly on the east side of the Denver Metro Area.
In less than a 10-minute drive on I-70, you can go from a 8-10 lane freeway near I-225 and Pena Boulevard/DIA to a quiet 4-lane rural interstate east of Colfax/BL-70.
To prove it, there are many times in the winter months when there are significant snowfalls, that they will close I-70 from a few miles east of Pena/E-470 all the way to the Kansas state line because the traffic counts drop so quickly.
And in the Midwest, as I have mentioned before, is the immediate urban/rural switch when you cross over the OH/MI state line in Toledo on I-75 or US-23. Michigan did a pretty good job in keeping businesses and subdivisions from overflowing from Toledo over the decades.
Not really. There's over 30,000 people in Bedford Township and Erie Township has around 5,000 people. Bedford Township is Toledo's second largest suburb and is in between I-75 and US 23.
Quote from: kphoger on January 15, 2018, 02:09:27 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 12, 2018, 05:06:41 PM
Quote from: corco on January 12, 2018, 04:58:18 PM
In my experience, New Mexico usually uses 86, unlike the 85 that CO/WY/UT/Eastern Idaho use.
Usually I was up in Ruidoso or Alamogordo but it was years ago so I could be mistaken. I believe it clicked down to 85 in the Sierra Blancas and certain heights.. Isn't the degraded octane for some sort of emissions purpose?
The higher the elevation, the less octane is required to keep your engine from knocking. If higher octane isn't needed, then why sell it?
What I find interesting is that regular in Guatemala is 88 RON (approximately 84½ AKI). This might be fine in high-elevation cities such as Guatemala City and Xela, but how to people's cars manage to handle that low of an octane rating up in Puerto Barrios (barely over 2000 feet) or the Petén (less than 1000 feet)?
That's the tricky thing there, what happens when you get back to a low elevation? Usually those work trips back in those days could be 300-550 miles long in a given day. I'd hate to fill up with 85 octane in Ruidoso only to get somewhere like Tucson to have the engine start knocking. Always seemed like the prudent thing to do was purchase 88 and just eat the couple cents difference.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 15, 2018, 02:25:18 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 15, 2018, 02:09:27 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 12, 2018, 05:06:41 PM
Quote from: corco on January 12, 2018, 04:58:18 PM
In my experience, New Mexico usually uses 86, unlike the 85 that CO/WY/UT/Eastern Idaho use.
Usually I was up in Ruidoso or Alamogordo but it was years ago so I could be mistaken. I believe it clicked down to 85 in the Sierra Blancas and certain heights.. Isn't the degraded octane for some sort of emissions purpose?
The higher the elevation, the less octane is required to keep your engine from knocking. If higher octane isn't needed, then why sell it?
What I find interesting is that regular in Guatemala is 88 RON (approximately 84½ AKI). This might be fine in high-elevation cities such as Guatemala City and Xela, but how to people's cars manage to handle that low of an octane rating up in Puerto Barrios (barely over 2000 feet) or the Petén (less than 1000 feet)?
That's the tricky thing there, what happens when you get back to a low elevation? Usually those work trips back in those days could be 300-550 miles long in a given day. I'd hate to fill up with 85 octane in Ruidoso only to get somewhere like Tucson to have the engine start knocking. Always seemed like the prudent thing to do was purchase 88 and just eat the couple cents difference.
That's why I was amazed to see 85 AKI sold in Burlington, CO (elev. 4170 feet). Travelling eastbound on I-70, a full tank of gas purchased in Burlington can easily get you to 1200 feet elevation.
Quote from: kphoger on January 15, 2018, 04:07:47 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 15, 2018, 02:25:18 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 15, 2018, 02:09:27 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 12, 2018, 05:06:41 PM
Quote from: corco on January 12, 2018, 04:58:18 PM
In my experience, New Mexico usually uses 86, unlike the 85 that CO/WY/UT/Eastern Idaho use.
Usually I was up in Ruidoso or Alamogordo but it was years ago so I could be mistaken. I believe it clicked down to 85 in the Sierra Blancas and certain heights.. Isn't the degraded octane for some sort of emissions purpose?
The higher the elevation, the less octane is required to keep your engine from knocking. If higher octane isn't needed, then why sell it?
What I find interesting is that regular in Guatemala is 88 RON (approximately 84½ AKI). This might be fine in high-elevation cities such as Guatemala City and Xela, but how to people's cars manage to handle that low of an octane rating up in Puerto Barrios (barely over 2000 feet) or the Petén (less than 1000 feet)?
That's the tricky thing there, what happens when you get back to a low elevation? Usually those work trips back in those days could be 300-550 miles long in a given day. I'd hate to fill up with 85 octane in Ruidoso only to get somewhere like Tucson to have the engine start knocking. Always seemed like the prudent thing to do was purchase 88 and just eat the couple cents difference.
That's why I was amazed to see 85 AKI sold in Burlington, CO (elev. 4170 feet). Travelling eastbound on I-70, a full tank of gas purchased in Burlington can easily get you to 1200 feet elevation.
When we had to fill up in Western Kansas, we came across a station that was promoting Unleaded-85, or something to that effect. I was worried that I was pumping E-85 in the tank but the employee assured me that it was 85 Octane Unleaded. No problems getting me to Missouri, but the weird way they were displaying it threw me for a loop.
Closest "desolate" place to New York City depends on your definition. Harriman State Park in Rockland/Orange Counties, NY is less than 20 miles from the city line (and technically inside the metro area). Want "wilderness"? Closest designated wilderness in Catskill Park is about 70 miles from the city line (Slide Mountain Wilderness). That's basically untouched by man other than people hiking through.
Quote from: cl94 on January 15, 2018, 10:20:50 PM
Closest "desolate" place to New York City depends on your definition. Harriman State Park in Rockland/Orange Counties, NY is less than 20 miles from the city line (and technically inside the metro area). Want "wilderness"? Closest designated wilderness in Catskill Park is about 70 miles from the city line (Slide Mountain Wilderness). That's basically untouched by man other than people hiking through.
The closes wilderness area to Chicago is 300 + miles away at the Garden of the Gods in the Shawnee Forest of southern Illinois.
Went hiking through the wilderness area there once. 'twas a thing of beauty,
You'd never guess this (https://www.google.es/maps/@41.5597398,-0.8178794,3a,75y,181.29h,79.47t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sXd8iao9JrYeps4dS0Thpkg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DXd8iao9JrYeps4dS0Thpkg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D234.68243%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656) is within the boundaries of the 5th largest city in Spain.
Quote from: thenetwork on January 15, 2018, 08:24:37 PM
When we had to fill up in Western Kansas, we came across a station that was promoting Unleaded-85, or something to that effect. I was worried that I was pumping E-85 in the tank but the employee assured me that it was 85 Octane Unleaded. No problems getting me to Missouri, but the weird way they were displaying it threw me for a loop.
Where was that? I've never seen 85 octane in Kansas, and I grew up 55 miles from the Colorado state line.
Quote from: inkyatari on January 16, 2018, 09:41:31 AM
Quote from: cl94 on January 15, 2018, 10:20:50 PM
Closest "desolate" place to New York City depends on your definition. Harriman State Park in Rockland/Orange Counties, NY is less than 20 miles from the city line (and technically inside the metro area). Want "wilderness"? Closest designated wilderness in Catskill Park is about 70 miles from the city line (Slide Mountain Wilderness). That's basically untouched by man other than people hiking through.
The closes wilderness area to Chicago is 300 + miles away at the Garden of the Gods in the Shawnee Forest of southern Illinois.
Went hiking through the wilderness area there once. 'twas a thing of beauty,
The Manistee National Forest in Michigan is closer to Chicago than the Shawnee Forest is.
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on January 16, 2018, 10:21:57 AM
You'd never guess this (https://www.google.es/maps/@41.5597398,-0.8178794,3a,75y,181.29h,79.47t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sXd8iao9JrYeps4dS0Thpkg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DXd8iao9JrYeps4dS0Thpkg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D234.68243%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656) is within the boundaries of the 5th largest city in Spain.
To be fair, though, it appears that's only true because the city boundaries go stupidly far afield from the city proper. And I'm guessing that's just so the industrial park nearby is within the city limit (?).
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 16, 2018, 06:42:11 PM
Quote from: inkyatari on January 16, 2018, 09:41:31 AM
Quote from: cl94 on January 15, 2018, 10:20:50 PM
Closest "desolate" place to New York City depends on your definition. Harriman State Park in Rockland/Orange Counties, NY is less than 20 miles from the city line (and technically inside the metro area). Want "wilderness"? Closest designated wilderness in Catskill Park is about 70 miles from the city line (Slide Mountain Wilderness). That's basically untouched by man other than people hiking through.
The closes wilderness area to Chicago is 300 + miles away at the Garden of the Gods in the Shawnee Forest of southern Illinois.
Went hiking through the wilderness area there once. 'twas a thing of beauty,
The Manistee National Forest in Michigan is closer to Chicago than the Shawnee Forest is.
Huh. That is weird.
And now that I look at a map, Hoosier National Forest in Indiana is closer than the Shawnees...
Quote from: inkyatari on January 17, 2018, 09:41:52 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 16, 2018, 06:42:11 PM
Quote from: inkyatari on January 16, 2018, 09:41:31 AM
Quote from: cl94 on January 15, 2018, 10:20:50 PM
Closest "desolate" place to New York City depends on your definition. Harriman State Park in Rockland/Orange Counties, NY is less than 20 miles from the city line (and technically inside the metro area). Want "wilderness"? Closest designated wilderness in Catskill Park is about 70 miles from the city line (Slide Mountain Wilderness). That's basically untouched by man other than people hiking through.
The closes wilderness area to Chicago is 300 + miles away at the Garden of the Gods in the Shawnee Forest of southern Illinois.
Went hiking through the wilderness area there once. 'twas a thing of beauty,
The Manistee National Forest in Michigan is closer to Chicago than the Shawnee Forest is.
Huh. That is weird.
And now that I look at a map, Hoosier National Forest in Indiana is closer than the Shawnees...
It's just the fact that Illinois is such a long state north to south that parts of northern Michigan and northern Wisconsin are closer to Chicago than the Little Egypt section of Illinois. I wasn't sure if Hoosier was closer or not but it looks like it is by about 50 miles.
Unfortunately, Cincinnati doesn't have any significant desolate land nearby, because of the irrational hero worship of property.
Quote from: kphoger on January 17, 2018, 09:35:17 AM
To be fair, though, it appears that's only true because the city boundaries go stupidly far afield from the city proper. And I'm guessing that's just so the industrial park nearby is within the city limit (?).
More like in Western Europe we don't know the concept of unincorporated area, and every chunk of land belongs to a municipality (though there are five "unincorporated areas" in Navarre, Spain, and I've driven across two of them). Zaragoza is not only among the most populated Spanish cities, it also is one of the largest municipalities in area.
You only have to go 15 miles north out of downtown Minneapolis to reach this:
https://www.google.com/maps/@45.1917547,-93.0757118,3a,75y,243.19h,84.6t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1stWtpinOrWj9sNOmzwN06YA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 18, 2018, 09:24:32 PM
You only have to go 15 miles north out of downtown Minneapolis to reach this:
https://www.google.com/maps/@45.1917547,-93.0757118,3a,75y,243.19h,84.6t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1stWtpinOrWj9sNOmzwN06YA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
I am currently on my phone (not on a PC), so I don't have the luxury of looking around in that area all that much at this moment, but just from what I see when clicking on the link, that looks more rural, but I don't know if I would call it desolate.
Quote from: bandit957 on January 18, 2018, 06:05:08 PM
Unfortunately, Cincinnati doesn't have any significant desolate land nearby, because of the irrational hero worship of property.
The closest I can think of is if you head out a ways on OH 32 east of the city.
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 15, 2018, 01:26:50 AM
Quote from: GaryV on January 13, 2018, 06:43:55 PM
Nobody's mentioned the desolate areas IN Detroit yet?
They're not vast, but there are several areas where there's so little left standing that they were considering creating farms, even forestry.
Granted there are several large areas of Detroit that are pretty empty I can't think of one part of the city that is completely void of any type of life. I'd like to see if there is such an area in Detroit. About six years ago I had to go to Southgate one day and decided I wanted to try to find a part of Detroit that was just pure abandoned with no sign of life, so I was in the North End section of Detroit and decided to take a drive along Philadelphia Avenue to which it seemed like every house was abandoned and some were in such poor shape that they had collapsed porches and collapsed other things on the house.
To me the most empty part of Detroit would probably be the area near the old Packard Plant. I was driving around Detroit with a friend of mine and took Grand Blvd. around the loop but when I got to the Packard Plant I turned on Concord and just before I turned I told my friend it's about to look real ghetto here in a second, made that turn and it was exactly what I said which wasn't really a surprise to me since I'd been around the Packard Plant numerous times before.
Btw, the most dangerous zip code in Detroit is probably 48205.
Detroit probably has more abandoned schools than operating schools: http://www.detroiturbex.com/content/schools/index.html
Quote from: ftballfan on January 21, 2018, 08:53:20 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 15, 2018, 01:26:50 AM
Quote from: GaryV on January 13, 2018, 06:43:55 PM
Nobody's mentioned the desolate areas IN Detroit yet?
They're not vast, but there are several areas where there's so little left standing that they were considering creating farms, even forestry.
Granted there are several large areas of Detroit that are pretty empty I can't think of one part of the city that is completely void of any type of life. I'd like to see if there is such an area in Detroit. About six years ago I had to go to Southgate one day and decided I wanted to try to find a part of Detroit that was just pure abandoned with no sign of life, so I was in the North End section of Detroit and decided to take a drive along Philadelphia Avenue to which it seemed like every house was abandoned and some were in such poor shape that they had collapsed porches and collapsed other things on the house.
To me the most empty part of Detroit would probably be the area near the old Packard Plant. I was driving around Detroit with a friend of mine and took Grand Blvd. around the loop but when I got to the Packard Plant I turned on Concord and just before I turned I told my friend it's about to look real ghetto here in a second, made that turn and it was exactly what I said which wasn't really a surprise to me since I'd been around the Packard Plant numerous times before.
Btw, the most dangerous zip code in Detroit is probably 48205.
Detroit probably has more abandoned schools than operating schools: http://www.detroiturbex.com/content/schools/index.html
I know at one time Detroit had 31 Public High School's, I'd say now they have about half that number.
Quote from: Rothman on January 19, 2018, 07:56:31 AM
Quote from: bandit957 on January 18, 2018, 06:05:08 PM
Unfortunately, Cincinnati doesn't have any significant desolate land nearby, because of the irrational hero worship of property.
The closest I can think of is if you head out a ways on OH 32 east of the city.
Plenty of desolate-looking land in western Boone County, Ky.
One place that is deceptive is entering Nashville from the west on I-40. There is a buffer zone of trees on either side that extends well into the city. The transition to urban is very abrupt.
Quote from: Road Hog on January 22, 2018, 10:57:49 AM
One place that is deceptive is entering Nashville from the west on I-40. There is a buffer zone of trees on either side that extends well into the city. The transition to urban is very abrupt.
There used to be more buffer on I-24 WB from Mufreesboro as well but they knocked some of it down for lane expansion.
I-24 EB from Clarksville still has rural character to it nearly all the way to I-65. It is nearly rural with the city skyline visible.
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on January 22, 2018, 01:06:31 PM
Quote from: Road Hog on January 22, 2018, 10:57:49 AM
One place that is deceptive is entering Nashville from the west on I-40. There is a buffer zone of trees on either side that extends well into the city. The transition to urban is very abrupt.
There used to be more buffer on I-24 WB from Mufreesboro as well but they knocked some of it down for lane expansion.
I-24 EB from Clarksville still has rural character to it nearly all the way to I-65. It is nearly rural with the city skyline visible.
That is something I have noticed myself. While definitely not desolate, Interstate 24 remains rural up until very, very close to Nashville, on the northwest side of the metro area. In pretty close proximity to the city, I-24 traverses through somewhat rural hills, rock cuts, and lots of trees.
Going east from Boise, as soon as you exit the Boise city limits, it's desolate. Not just rural (like to the west), there's really basically nothing from there to Mountain Home.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FmKjl7xu.png&hash=150a04eab7f0a0f9703e95c93f6c9e3dd6b754ba) (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.5016865,-116.1379147,3a,75y,141.09h,82.68t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sRlXhYck7T8RXcSYxrIelnw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DRlXhYck7T8RXcSYxrIelnw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D59.590168%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656)
What about I-10 entering Jacksonville from the west? Or I-95 entering Jacksonville from the south? I've gone through Jacksonville on I-95 before but not I-10. It looks pretty desolate out near Baldwin.
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 26, 2018, 05:53:16 PM
What about I-10 entering Jacksonville from the west? Or I-95 entering Jacksonville from the south? I've gone through Jacksonville on I-95 before but not I-10. It looks pretty desolate out near Baldwin.
It is. Nothing city-like out that way.
Sorry for the big bump, but this is US-98 about 6 miles north of I-4 near Lakeland, FL: https://goo.gl/maps/4o3KUjrqQ4RJPvzB8
The speed limit here is 60 mph, but it widens to four lanes (with a speed limit drop to 55 mph) just south of the linked image, and later widens to six lanes at Daugherty Rd and eight lanes near Foxwood Blvd. Heading northbound, US-98 drops from eight lanes to two lanes in just under five miles!
Quote from: ftballfan on March 03, 2021, 02:13:05 PM
Sorry for the big bump, but this is US-98 about 6 miles north of I-4 near Lakeland, FL: https://goo.gl/maps/4o3KUjrqQ4RJPvzB8
The speed limit here is 60 mph, but it widens to four lanes (with a speed limit drop to 55 mph) just south of the linked image, and later widens to six lanes at Daugherty Rd and eight lanes near Foxwood Blvd. Heading northbound, US-98 drops from eight lanes to two lanes in just under five miles!
Polk County is like that. One second nothing the next second viola.
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on March 03, 2021, 02:36:04 PM
Polk County is like that. One second nothing the next second viola.
Actually, Lake Viola isn't in Polk County. It's about two miles south of the county line.
The core metropolitan counties of the Puget Sound region stretch deep into the Cascades, which means a lot of uninhabited wilderness is technically in the Seattle MSA.
Quote from: Bruce on March 03, 2021, 05:01:59 PM
The core metropolitan counties of the Puget Sound region stretch deep into the Cascades, which means a lot of uninhabited wilderness is technically in the Seattle MSA.
This is in Aurora, CO (370k people) where I live. (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7069963,-104.678387,3a,75y,187.51h,74.4t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s864Vyk4n7Zp61Pi3IN4c3Q!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D864Vyk4n7Zp61Pi3IN4c3Q%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D89.751114%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656)
This is in Denver city limits. (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.897869,-104.7256905,3a,75y,61.81h,78.53t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sIXFADiijUQbWAiiJnpL3fg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DIXFADiijUQbWAiiJnpL3fg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D150.14113%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)
Chris
Quote from: Bruce on March 03, 2021, 05:01:59 PM
The core metropolitan counties of the Puget Sound region stretch deep into the Cascades, which means a lot of uninhabited wilderness is technically in the Seattle MSA.
Isn't this true of just about every western metropolitan area?
This picture of I-270 in Maryland speaks for itself. (Distance sign and everything!)
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3107997,-77.3493924,3a,75y,131.57h,82.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUuZhCQLbCIzlp_U0X4nfuA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
I don't know if it's been mentioned, but the Meadowlands in New Jersey should come close.
The Francis Marion National Forest for Charleston. You only have to go 6-8 miles off US 17 to SC 41 to see roads with a few hundred cars a day.
Quote from: KCRoadFan on March 03, 2021, 10:23:08 PM
This picture of I-270 in Maryland speaks for itself. (Distance sign and everything!)
This is just my opinion, but 36 miles seems a bit far to truly be considered "near" the metropolitan area. Even if there's suburbs nearby, well, that's exactly what you'd expect at that distance from a large city. I took it that what is being looked for are places that are at most 10-15 miles from the urban core.
To cite my own area as an example, here's
15 miles (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0839211,-77.9245704,3a,37.5y,77.91h,83.32t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZUfitWye7aU2l4tRnv23Ow!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1) and
12 miles (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0973821,-77.8637353,3a,37.5y,101.33h,86.06t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQh9768EhA2JRiq289y8m-w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1) to Rochester on I-490, and those are far from the best examples I can find:
Kings Hwy (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2276544,-77.5720743,3a,75y,231.77h,84.41t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1siLnJp3uj6DXo3ut9s52ZjQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1) is a mere 5 miles from Downtown Rochester, and
Paul Road (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0999685,-77.6904778,3a,75y,327.81h,85.36t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sCbN0JJBRWsUd372hZqhFsw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DCbN0JJBRWsUd372hZqhFsw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D17.721664%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1) south of the airport is only slightly further.
I remember seeing a movie where they are disposing of a body in a really desolate marshy area, but in the background is the view of NYC. Unfortunately I don't remember the movie and i don't know where the shot was taken. But it was cool view.
^It might have been shot at Marine Park and they used a really narrow field of view to get the city skyline in the background. I'd love to know what movie I'm thinking of.
(https://www.nycgovparks.org/pagefiles/107/banner-marine-park__57d3183f5b1e3.jpg)
NV-375, the Extra Terrestral Highway about 90 minutes out of Las Vegas now has gasoline and a store in Rachel, NV since July 2020. This is the closest town to Area 51, and lots to see and experience.
Quote from: 1 on January 12, 2018, 02:37:18 PM
Assuming you're counting land only (the oceans obviously don't have humans living there), the Everglades and the Miami metro area are going to be the best example in the United States. There was a similar thread about this; it was slightly different, as the other thread was about places that feel desolate, while this one is about places that are desolate.
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on January 12, 2018, 03:13:07 PM.
2) New Orleans, Louisiana is probably in a similar boat as Miami. I've never been there (though I have seen road videos, pictures, street-view, and more from the area), but I am guessing that since the New Orleans Metro Area is below sea level, close to the coast, and IIRC, surrounded by marshlands, there is probably a pretty abrupt change of scenery when exiting the Metro Area in any direction.
If you're heading west on IH 10 toward Baton Rouge, it's heavily urban from about a mile or so east of the French quarter until Loyola drive. After Loyola drive, dry land ends and you're on a 12 mile bridge over the water. When heading east, the major development stops just past Ih 510 and then begins to look very rural, though the mile or two before 510 isn't exactly very developed.
When heading north, there's the causeway which goes from highly urbanized Metairie to immediately in the middle of the lake.
So yeah you are imagine it pretty accurately.
Directly east of Baltimore across Chesapeake Bay is pretty rural.
Quote from: jayhawkco on March 03, 2021, 05:24:07 PM
Quote from: Bruce on March 03, 2021, 05:01:59 PM
The core metropolitan counties of the Puget Sound region stretch deep into the Cascades, which means a lot of uninhabited wilderness is technically in the Seattle MSA.
This is in Aurora, CO (370k people) where I live. (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7069963,-104.678387,3a,75y,187.51h,74.4t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s864Vyk4n7Zp61Pi3IN4c3Q!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D864Vyk4n7Zp61Pi3IN4c3Q%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D89.751114%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656)
This is in Denver city limits. (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.897869,-104.7256905,3a,75y,61.81h,78.53t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sIXFADiijUQbWAiiJnpL3fg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DIXFADiijUQbWAiiJnpL3fg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D150.14113%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)
Chris
if you hadn't mentioned it, i would have. head east on i-70 not terribly far, and you're in the boonies for sure. it wasn't that long ago that people thought dia was in the boonies. my father used to say it was in westen kansas as a joke.
Quote from: zachary_amaryllis on March 06, 2021, 09:18:15 AM
Quote from: jayhawkco on March 03, 2021, 05:24:07 PM
Quote from: Bruce on March 03, 2021, 05:01:59 PM
The core metropolitan counties of the Puget Sound region stretch deep into the Cascades, which means a lot of uninhabited wilderness is technically in the Seattle MSA.
This is in Aurora, CO (370k people) where I live. (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7069963,-104.678387,3a,75y,187.51h,74.4t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s864Vyk4n7Zp61Pi3IN4c3Q!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D864Vyk4n7Zp61Pi3IN4c3Q%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D89.751114%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656)
This is in Denver city limits. (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.897869,-104.7256905,3a,75y,61.81h,78.53t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sIXFADiijUQbWAiiJnpL3fg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DIXFADiijUQbWAiiJnpL3fg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D150.14113%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)
Chris
if you hadn't mentioned it, i would have. head east on i-70 not terribly far, and you're in the boonies for sure. it wasn't that long ago that people thought dia was in the boonies. my father used to say it was in westen kansas as a joke.
I've sometimes thought of eastern Colorado as basically being a western extension of Kansas.
What's more, before it became a state, Colorado actually
was a part of the Kansas Territory - in fact, Denver was named for the territorial governor at the time it was founded.
More info: https://www.kshs.org/kansapedia/james-w-denver/15510
This Street View picture is within Chicago city limits.
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9527052,-87.8481079,3a,75y,309.4h,82.6t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1socC_WAFhubyFYun4hZXHMA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DocC_WAFhubyFYun4hZXHMA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dsearch.revgeo_and_fetch.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D96%26h%3D64%26yaw%3D351.59558%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192
Development is quickly changing this as it expands along US 60 and US 360, but much of western and southwestern Chesterfield County, VA (considered part of the Richmond/Tri-Cities metro area) is very empty. Same deal with Hanover County except along US 1 and US 301.
Here is Bell's Bend in Nashville.
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1496945,-86.9011993,3a,75y,204.28h,75.01t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s5eAUHY9iYiYjaGFHFkmpow!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D5eAUHY9iYiYjaGFHFkmpow%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D78.313705%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1496945,-86.9011993,3a,75y,204.28h,75.01t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s5eAUHY9iYiYjaGFHFkmpow!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D5eAUHY9iYiYjaGFHFkmpow%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D78.313705%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)
Quote from: KCRoadFan on March 06, 2021, 12:11:49 PM
Quote from: zachary_amaryllis on March 06, 2021, 09:18:15 AM
Quote from: jayhawkco on March 03, 2021, 05:24:07 PM
Quote from: Bruce on March 03, 2021, 05:01:59 PM
The core metropolitan counties of the Puget Sound region stretch deep into the Cascades, which means a lot of uninhabited wilderness is technically in the Seattle MSA.
This is in Aurora, CO (370k people) where I live. (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7069963,-104.678387,3a,75y,187.51h,74.4t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s864Vyk4n7Zp61Pi3IN4c3Q!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D864Vyk4n7Zp61Pi3IN4c3Q%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D89.751114%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656)
This is in Denver city limits. (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.897869,-104.7256905,3a,75y,61.81h,78.53t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sIXFADiijUQbWAiiJnpL3fg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DIXFADiijUQbWAiiJnpL3fg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D150.14113%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)
Chris
if you hadn't mentioned it, i would have. head east on i-70 not terribly far, and you're in the boonies for sure. it wasn't that long ago that people thought dia was in the boonies. my father used to say it was in westen kansas as a joke.
I've sometimes thought of eastern Colorado as basically being a western extension of Kansas.
What's more, before it became a state, Colorado actually was a part of the Kansas Territory - in fact, Denver was named for the territorial governor at the time it was founded.
More info: https://www.kshs.org/kansapedia/james-w-denver/15510
Another interesting factoid: James W. Denver's Great-Great-Grandson was Bob Denver, of Dobie Gillis & Gilligans Island fame.
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on March 06, 2021, 12:57:48 PM
Development is quickly changing this as it expands along US 60 and US 360, but much of western and southwestern Chesterfield County, VA (considered part of the Richmond/Tri-Cities metro area) is very empty. Same deal with Hanover County except along US 1 and US 301.
And US 360. Mechanicsville is pretty built out now. Also, eastern Henrico has some very undeveloped areas.
I yapped a bit about the wilderness area north of Santa Barbara a couple of years ago in the earlier phase of this thread; but there's an example immediately east of my San Jose home -- a functional wilderness southeast of Mount Hamilton, itself only a dozen crow-fly miles east of the populated SJ flatlands. Part of it is contained in the Henry Coe State Park, but most of it is roadless, save for the county signed extension of CA 130 that heads over the ridgeline and then east to Patterson in the San Joaquin Valley (and one of Max R's fave drives). If one takes 130 and its extension as the northern edge of this zone, it would be bordered by that road, I-5 and CA 33 on the east, CA 152 on the south, and the range east of the San Martin Valley (Gilroy to Morgan Hill) and the Coyote Creek drainage to the north of that (Morgan Hill to San Jose). About the only accessible (from Morgan Hill) section is the aforementioned Coe State Park, the remainder is relatively untouched territory characterized by oak trees and scrub brush growth (and definitely fire-ready!). Fortunately, most of the area isn't topographically amenable to efficient housing development, so that hasn't been an issue; the remoteness of the portions not contained in the state park are a further hindrance to such activity. Thus the odds of it being developed for housing -- or even recreation beyond the park, which functions as a nature preserve, are quite slim; it'll stay desolate for the foreseeable future.
Quote from: KCRoadFan on March 06, 2021, 12:11:49 PM
Quote from: zachary_amaryllis on March 06, 2021, 09:18:15 AM
Quote from: jayhawkco on March 03, 2021, 05:24:07 PM
Quote from: Bruce on March 03, 2021, 05:01:59 PM
The core metropolitan counties of the Puget Sound region stretch deep into the Cascades, which means a lot of uninhabited wilderness is technically in the Seattle MSA.
This is in Aurora, CO (370k people) where I live. (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7069963,-104.678387,3a,75y,187.51h,74.4t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s864Vyk4n7Zp61Pi3IN4c3Q!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D864Vyk4n7Zp61Pi3IN4c3Q%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D89.751114%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656)
This is in Denver city limits. (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.897869,-104.7256905,3a,75y,61.81h,78.53t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sIXFADiijUQbWAiiJnpL3fg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DIXFADiijUQbWAiiJnpL3fg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D150.14113%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)
Chris
if you hadn't mentioned it, i would have. head east on i-70 not terribly far, and you're in the boonies for sure. it wasn't that long ago that people thought dia was in the boonies. my father used to say it was in westen kansas as a joke.
I've sometimes thought of eastern Colorado as basically being a western extension of Kansas.
What's more, before it became a state, Colorado actually was a part of the Kansas Territory - in fact, Denver was named for the territorial governor at the time it was founded.
More info: https://www.kshs.org/kansapedia/james-w-denver/15510
and like that, i learned something new today. always a great day when that happens.
Quote from: KCRoadFan on March 06, 2021, 12:41:55 PM
This Street View picture is within Chicago city limits.
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9527052,-87.8481079,3a,75y,309.4h,82.6t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1socC_WAFhubyFYun4hZXHMA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DocC_WAFhubyFYun4hZXHMA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dsearch.revgeo_and_fetch.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D96%26h%3D64%26yaw%3D351.59558%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192
Beach Drive, N.W. (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9839312,-77.04562,3a,75y,112.01h,90.03t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slQ500RgPTVfBAuPav-fGBg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) in Washington, D.C.
Beach Drive (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.039091,-77.0874517,3a,75y,315.43h,89.46t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s-UrlqZ0-Z6dwBcE7zxBJKA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) in Montgomery County, Maryland.
Beach Drive in D.C. is owned and maintained by the National Park Service and serves Rock Creek Park (in D.C. all of it is owned by the NPS).
Beach Drive in Maryland is owned and maintained by the Maryland-National Capital Park and Planning Commission.
This is in Dallas city limits, only a few miles from downtown:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7521773,-96.7340433,3a,75y,64.34h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1svHN9gP_bsme-uEh1ROq3pQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DvHN9gP_bsme-uEh1ROq3pQ%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D60.26798%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7521773,-96.7340433,3a,75y,64.34h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1svHN9gP_bsme-uEh1ROq3pQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DvHN9gP_bsme-uEh1ROq3pQ%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D60.26798%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)
14 miles southeast of Dallas, barely outside of city limits, is the small community of Sand Branch, which doesn't even have running water: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/23/texas-town-without-running-water-sandbranch (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/23/texas-town-without-running-water-sandbranch)
Street view from nearby Belt Line Rd: https://www.google.com/maps/@32.6419089,-96.6182511,3a,75y,169.74h,90.6t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sCrf8qpygS7gi4r03k_a8Ig!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DCrf8qpygS7gi4r03k_a8Ig%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D284.6106%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@32.6419089,-96.6182511,3a,75y,169.74h,90.6t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sCrf8qpygS7gi4r03k_a8Ig!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DCrf8qpygS7gi4r03k_a8Ig%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D284.6106%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)