aaroads.com topics in 2064

[Max Rockatansky]

Anyone going to revive the 1864 thread so these "in the year" threads all get back on the short list for thread locks?

[Roadgeekteen]

Anyone going to revive the 1864 thread so these "in the year" threads all get back on the short list for thread locks?

I that it was quietly locked a while ago.

[US71]

Anyone going to revive the 1864 thread so these "in the year" threads all get back on the short list for thread locks?

[Hurricane Rex]

I actually like the Oregon style sign because it emphasizes what's important the number of the limit. A sign at state entrences exposing our signs would be helpful and needed.

Oregon doesn't use "LIMIT" on some of their signs because all speeds below 55 are, from what I can tell, suggestions, at least on roads that aren't in cities, school zones, or on interstates (from 2003, hence the large number of "SPEED LIMIT" signs now prevalent in those areas). Exceeding the posted speed outside of those areas is apparently legal, so long as you can prove that the speed you are going is "reasonable and prudent".

Someone who is more familiar with Oregon law should follow up my post, because I'm only 50/50 certain that what I wrote was correct.

Driver's manual for reference: http://www.oregon.gov/ODOT/Forms/DMV/37.pdf

Some quotes to help both of us.

Regulatory Signs–Other
Regulatory signs are rectangular with black words or symbols on a
white background and tell you what to do. They may be posted alone,
with other traffic signs, or with traffic signals. Not all regulatory signs
are shown here.
Speed:

(Speed 40 picture, followed by speed limit 40 picture)

This indicates the maximum speed in miles per
hour. The speed begins at this sign and ends where
a different speed is posted. Signs may be electronic
and may change based on current conditions.

Speed Regulations:

The Basic Rule Law:
The basic rule states you must drive at a speed that is reasonable and
cautious for existing conditions. The basic rule applies on all roads at
all times.
To obey the basic rule, think about your speed in relation to other
traffic, pedestrians, bicycles, the surface and width of the road, hazards
at intersections, weather, visibility, and any other conditions that affect
safety. The basic rule does not allow you to drive over the speed limit.
If you drive at a speed that is unsafe for existing conditions in any area,
at any time, even if it is slower than the speed limit, you are violating
the basic rule.

Speed Limits:
In addition to the basic rule, Oregon has maximum speed limits. A
speed limit is the maximum speed considered safe for the area under
ideal driving conditions.
The following speeds are set in law for the specifi ed areas, whether
posted or not. They apply unless a different speed is posted.
15 MILES PER HOUR
(Speed 15 sign)
- When driving in alleys.
- Narrow residential areas.
20 MILES PER HOUR
(Speed 20 sign)
- In any business district.
- Within a school speed zone.
25 MILES PER HOUR
(Speed 25 sign)
- In residential districts.
- In public parks.
- On ocean shores, if vehicles are permitted.
55 MILES PER HOUR
(Speed 55 sign)
- On all roads and highways not meeting any other
definition unless otherwise posted.
INTERSTATE SPEED LIMITS
(Speed Limit 65 sign)
- Speed limits will vary on interstate highways.

Take it how you wish, I could go either way after reading this again.

[kphoger]

Oregon doesn't use "LIMIT" on some of their signs because all speeds below 55 are, from what I can tell, suggestions, at least on roads that aren't in cities, school zones, or on interstates (from 2003, hence the large number of "SPEED LIMIT" signs now prevalent in those areas). Exceeding the posted speed outside of those areas is apparently legal, so long as you can prove that the speed you are going is "reasonable and prudent".

Someone who is more familiar with Oregon law should follow up my post, because I'm only 50/50 certain that what I wrote was correct.

This is almost exactly right.

I think the only part you missed is that 25 mph on ocean shores is absolute, not just prima facie.

Driver's manual for reference: http://www.oregon.gov/ODOT/Forms/DMV/37.pdf

Some quotes to help both of us.

Take it how you wish, I could go either way after reading this again.

A handbook is not law, so quoting from it isn't the same as quoting the actual statutes.  The authors of the handbook weren't necessarily correct in their interpretation of the statutes, so it's better to look at the statutes themselves.  I have included hyperlinks to each of the applicable statutes, with my own interpretation below each one.



Violation of basic speed rule
Speeds that are evidence of basic rule violation
It is always illegal to drive faster than reasonable and prudent; violating this basic speed rule is prima facie evidence of speeding.
Prima facie evidence can be contested; that is, it can be dismissed if you prove your speed was actually reasonable and prudent.
If there is no posted designated speed, then exceeding the following thresholds are considered prima facie evidence of speeding:
- 15 mph in an alley or narrow street
- 20 mph in a business district
- 25 mph in a public park
- 25 mph in a residential district not within a city and not on an arterial or collector road
- 55 mph elsewhere (redundant, see below)

Designation of maximum speeds
If there is a posted designated speed, then exceeding that speed is prima facie evidence of speeding.

Designation of maximum speeds
Violating a speed limit
The following are absolute speed limits rather than prima facie, meaning they cannot be contested:
- 25 mph on an ocean shore, absent any lower posted speed limit
- 15 mph within a city in an alley or narrow street
- 20 mph within a city in a business district
- 20 mph in a school zone with its light flashing
- 20 mph in a school zone that doesn't have a flashing light, if between 7 AM and 5 PM on a school day
- 20 mph at a school crosswalk with children present
- 25 mph within a city in a public park
- 25 mph within a city in a residential district not on an arterial road
- 55 mph elsewhere, except as indicated below
- - - 65 mph on SR-20 between Bend and Ontario
- - - 65 mph on SR-26 between Vale and John Day
- - - 65 mph on SR-31 between Valley Falls and La Pine
- - - 65 mph on SR-78 between Burns and Burns Junction
- - - 65 mph on SR-97 between Klamath Falls and SR-197
- - - 65 mph on SR-197 between The Dalles and SR-97
- - - 65 mph on SR-205 between Burns and Frenchglen
- - - 65 mph on SR-395 between Burns and John Day, or between Riley and the California state line
- - - 70 mph on SR-95 between the Idaho and Nevada state lines
- 65 mph on an Interstate, except as indicated below
- - - 70 mph on I-84 between The Dalles and the Idaho state line

[Hurricane Rex]

- - - 65 mph on SR-97 between Klamath Falls and SR-197
- 65 mph on an Interstate, except as indicated below
- - - 70 mph on I-84 between The Dalles and the Idaho state line

I-82 and 97 would like to disagree with you.

I-82 is 70T65
US 97 is 65T60 from US 197 to Klamath Falls the California state Line.

Changed in HB 4047 in 2016.

[kphoger]

- - - 65 mph on SR-97 between Klamath Falls and SR-197
- 65 mph on an Interstate, except as indicated below
- - - 70 mph on I-84 between The Dalles and the Idaho state line

I-82 and 97 would like to disagree with you.

I-82 is 70T65
US 97 is 65T60 from US 197 to Klamath Falls the California state Line.

Changed in HB 4047 in 2016.

Yeah, I was starting to go crazy deciphering all the laws, so I didn't even bother diving into the revision.  Good catch.

[hotdogPi]

Thread title: Handheld teleporter now-available. Will this change how cars interact with pedestrians?

First paragraph:

As you may remember, the first teleporter was invented in 2049. The first point-and-click teleporter was invented in 2056. Now the first commercially-available teleporter is available, called the iPorter. It has a laser pointer and a button. When you press the button partway, the laser pointer almost locks in place, allowing very-small movements for exact precision. When you press the button fully, you teleport if it is safe. There is automatic safety detection, so you will never teleport to an unsafe place. You can get the iPorter NOW for only $6.3k!

Note 1: The English language has changed a bit. Hyphens between adverbs and adjectives are more common in 2064 than in 2017.
Note 2: All cars are self-driving in 2064. The biggest problem with self-driving cars is pedestrians, as pedestrians are obviously not automated. If a handheld teleporter is invented, then pedestrians would not be required to cross roads on foot.

[kphoger]

Thread title: Handheld teleporter now-available. Will this change how cars interact with pedestrians?

First paragraph:

As you may remember, the first teleporter was invented in 2049. The first point-and-click teleporter was invented in 2056. Now the first commercially-available teleporter is available, called the iPorter. It has a laser pointer and a button. When you press the button partway, the laser pointer almost locks in place, allowing very-small movements for exact precision. When you press the button fully, you teleport if it is safe. There is automatic safety detection, so you will never teleport to an unsafe place. You can get the iPorter NOW for only $6.3k!

Note 1: The English language has changed a bit. Hyphens between adverbs and adjectives are more common in 2064 than in 2017.
Note 2: All cars are self-driving in 2064. The biggest problem with self-driving cars is pedestrians, as pedestrians are obviously not automated. If a handheld teleporter is invented, then pedestrians would not be required to cross roads on foot.

This is reminding me strongly of Fahrenheit 451.

[formulanone]

This is reminding me strongly of Fahrenheit 451.

Thankfully, in 2035, book burning was banned to prevent unnecessary chemicals from polluting the atmosphere.

Unfortunately, the neuronic whip was invented in 2032, so removing information became easier (although more painful).

[ColossalBlocks]

I have an idea for a thread: Why is this thread still going?

[kphoger]

This is reminding me strongly of Fahrenheit 451.

Thankfully, in 2035, book burning was banned to prevent unnecessary chemicals from polluting the atmosphere.

Unfortunately, the neuronic whip was invented in 2032, so removing information became easier (although more painful).

This is reminding me faintly of the Perkins Union.

[Scott5114]

This is reminding me strongly of Fahrenheit 451.

Thankfully, in 2035, book burning was banned to prevent unnecessary chemicals from polluting the atmosphere.

Unfortunately, the neuronic whip was invented in 2032, so removing information became easier (although more painful).

This is reminding me faintly of the Perkins Union.

I'll admit, Alanland was meant to be a parody of the Perkins Union as much as it was anything else, even down to the red guide signs (which were then thoroughly ODOTized). I think at one point I even established that Alanland used to be the Perkins Union until it was replaced by something less and more awful.

[MNHighwayMan]

Wait, I thought the Perkins Union originated from the Alanland thread? Did I misread the thread and/or is there something else I'm unaware of?

[Takumi]

No, the Perkins Union came first.

[TheHighwayMan3561]

Wasn't the Perkins Union the place where everything is punishable by death?

[Scott5114]

Wasn't the Perkins Union the place where everything is punishable by death?

Indeed, and it was a bunch of really off-the-wall stuff that was, too, like littering and not using seatbelts. If it wasn't punishable by death, it was lengthy jail sentences. This tendency led me to create this parody image:

[freebrickproductions]

Anyone have a link to the original thread? Or is it long gone?

[Scott5114]

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2995.0

A lot of the images are broken though.

[formulanone]

Wasn’t the Perkins Union the place where everything is punishable by death?

Indeed, and it was a bunch of really off-the-wall stuff that was, too, like littering and not using seatbelts. If it wasn't punishable by death, it was lengthy jail sentences. This tendency led me to create this parody image:

I’m okay with that Movie Theater fine, especially if it includes chatty folks during the feature.

[MNHighwayMan]

Now having read the thread, I'm not sure if the few laughs outweighed the number of brain cells lost. (Also, probably would've been better with pictures...)

Also, I love that welcome sign, Scott.

[kphoger]

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2995.0

A lot of the images are broken though.

Well, there went my productivity at work today...

[vdeane]

I think it's safe to say that reading that thread at work is not a good idea.  I had a hard time stifling my laughter.

[Roadgeekteen]

I think that this thread will still be active in 2064. Or at least, I hope so.

[Hurricane Rex]

I think it's safe to say that reading that thread at work is not a good idea.  I had a hard time stifling my laughter.

I could argue reading it at school is even worse. Just my opinion.