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Re: Future I-57/US 67
« Reply #650 on: October 09, 2017, 10:15:46 AM »

It's official. President Trump signed H.R. 244 into law last night that designates US 67 as I-57 (p. 663/708 of pdf):
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SEC. 423. (a) Section 1105(c) of the Intermodal Surface Transportation Efficiency Act of 1991 is amended by adding at the end the following:
‘‘(89) United States Route 67 from Interstate 40 in North Little Rock, Arkansas, to United States Route 412.
‘‘(90) The Edward T. Breathitt Parkway from Interstate 24 to Interstate 69.’’.
(b) Section 1105(e)(5)(A) of the Intermodal Surface Transportation Efficiency Act of 1991 is amended in the first sentence
by striking ‘‘and subsection (c)(83)’’ and inserting ‘‘subsection (c)(83),subsection (c)(89), and subsection (c)(90)’’.
(c) Section 1105(e)(5)(C)(i) of the Intermodal Surface Transportation Efficiency Act of 1991 is amended by adding at the end
the following: ‘‘The route referred to in subsection (c)(89) is designated as Interstate Route I–57. The route referred to in subsection (c)(90) is designated as Interstate Route I–169.’’
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On Sept. 27, FHWA got around to amending its list of high priority corridors, but it did not include the future interstate designations. I assume it was a simple oversight, but i thought I would post in case somebody had a better explanation:

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Re: Future I-57/US 67
« Reply #651 on: October 09, 2017, 08:56:03 PM »

It's official. President Trump signed H.R. 244 into law last night that designates US 67 as I-57 (p. 663/708 of pdf):
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SEC. 423. (a) Section 1105(c) of the Intermodal Surface Transportation Efficiency Act of 1991 is amended by adding at the end the following:
‘‘(89) United States Route 67 from Interstate 40 in North Little Rock, Arkansas, to United States Route 412.
‘‘(90) The Edward T. Breathitt Parkway from Interstate 24 to Interstate 69.’’.
(b) Section 1105(e)(5)(A) of the Intermodal Surface Transportation Efficiency Act of 1991 is amended in the first sentence
by striking ‘‘and subsection (c)(83)’’ and inserting ‘‘subsection (c)(83),subsection (c)(89), and subsection (c)(90)’’.
(c) Section 1105(e)(5)(C)(i) of the Intermodal Surface Transportation Efficiency Act of 1991 is amended by adding at the end
the following: ‘‘The route referred to in subsection (c)(89) is designated as Interstate Route I–57. The route referred to in subsection (c)(90) is designated as Interstate Route I–169.’’
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On Sept. 27, FHWA got around to amending its list of high priority corridors, but it did not include the future interstate designations. I assume it was a simple oversight, but i thought I would post in case somebody had a better explanation:



So what does this mean? Will I-57 shields start popping up along the US 67 corridor soon?
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Re: Future I-57/US 67
« Reply #652 on: October 10, 2017, 12:18:13 AM »

It's official. President Trump signed H.R. 244 into law last night that designates US 67 as I-57 (p. 663/708 of pdf):
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SEC. 423. (a) Section 1105(c) of the Intermodal Surface Transportation Efficiency Act of 1991 is amended by adding at the end the following:
‘‘(89) United States Route 67 from Interstate 40 in North Little Rock, Arkansas, to United States Route 412.
‘‘(90) The Edward T. Breathitt Parkway from Interstate 24 to Interstate 69.’’.
(b) Section 1105(e)(5)(A) of the Intermodal Surface Transportation Efficiency Act of 1991 is amended in the first sentence
by striking ‘‘and subsection (c)(83)’’ and inserting ‘‘subsection (c)(83),subsection (c)(89), and subsection (c)(90)’’.
(c) Section 1105(e)(5)(C)(i) of the Intermodal Surface Transportation Efficiency Act of 1991 is amended by adding at the end
the following: ‘‘The route referred to in subsection (c)(89) is designated as Interstate Route I–57. The route referred to in subsection (c)(90) is designated as Interstate Route I–169.’’
.

On Sept. 27, FHWA got around to amending its list of high priority corridors, but it did not include the future interstate designations. I assume it was a simple oversight, but i thought I would post in case somebody had a better explanation:



So what does this mean? Will I-57 shields start popping up along the US 67 corridor soon?

Probably a 50/50 chance; on the plus side is the fact that I-540 north of I-40 was renumbered before the connection to Missouri was completed (or even funded) -- so there's precedent for this type of action.  On the negative side -- at least I-49's signage had a SIU purpose -- connect I-40 to NWA (as I-540 had done for 17 years); dropping off traffic in Walnut Ridge/Hoxie may not be considered sufficient to warrant I-57 signage at this time -- at least until plans to the MO state line are finalized.   Could go either way; probably the deciding factor will be whether there is enough local/in-state pressure to do so.   
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Re: Future I-57/US 67
« Reply #653 on: October 10, 2017, 06:14:54 PM »

Bye-bye to all of the US concurrency signs between NLR & Bald Knob. Get your pictures while you can.
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Re: Future I-57/US 67
« Reply #654 on: October 11, 2017, 10:09:44 AM »

Bye-bye to all of the US concurrency signs between NLR & Bald Knob. Get your pictures while you can.
Welp, it looks like Arkansas is phasing out all of our US Routes! Bon Voyage, US 67!
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Re: Future I-57/US 67
« Reply #655 on: October 11, 2017, 12:36:20 PM »

Meh, it's still got a little relevance south of Exit 114...
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Re: Future I-57/US 67
« Reply #656 on: October 11, 2017, 12:44:21 PM »

Bye-bye to all of the US concurrency signs between NLR & Bald Knob. Get your pictures while you can.
Welp, it looks like Arkansas is phasing out all of our US Routes! Bon Voyage, US 67!
Meh, it's still got a little relevance south of Exit 114...

Hey, I-40 and US 64 coexist parallel to one another west of Conway, likewise I-49 and US 71 in much of NWA, and I-30 and US 67 over most of their length SW of Little Rock (plus many others within AR).  I wouldn't worry too much about US designations disappearing; it's likely the formerly-ever-expanding AR 367 will be reiterated as US 67 when and if I-57 is posted -- regardless of any official entreaties to the contrary.
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Re: Future I-57/US 67
« Reply #657 on: October 12, 2017, 06:46:20 AM »

Bye-bye to all of the US concurrency signs between NLR & Bald Knob. Get your pictures while you can.
Welp, it looks like Arkansas is phasing out all of our US Routes! Bon Voyage, US 67!
Meh, it's still got a little relevance south of Exit 114...

Hey, I-40 and US 64 coexist parallel to one another west of Conway, likewise I-49 and US 71 in much of NWA, and I-30 and US 67 over most of their length SW of Little Rock (plus many others within AR).  I wouldn't worry too much about US designations disappearing; it's likely the formerly-ever-expanding AR 367 will be reiterated as US 67 when and if I-57 is posted -- regardless of any official entreaties to the contrary.

Has AR ever put a US route back onto an AR 3(ex-US xx) highway? I don't believe they did when I-530 was born.

As far as US 67 is concerned, it is still a big deal outside of AR. It may not be signed worth a damn when the I-57 signs go up, but it will still exist on BGSs & ARDOT paper records.
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Re: Future I-57/US 67
« Reply #658 on: October 12, 2017, 10:09:18 PM »

Has AR ever put a US route back onto an AR 3(ex-US xx) highway? I don't believe they did when I-530 was born.
They briefly put US 71 on I-540 north of Fort Smith before moving it back onto what had become AR 471.
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Re: Future I-57/US 67
« Reply #659 on: October 12, 2017, 10:38:50 PM »

Has AR ever put a US route back onto an AR 3(ex-US xx) highway? I don't believe they did when I-530 was born.
They briefly put US 71 on I-540 north of Fort Smith before moving it back onto what had become AR 471.

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I-49 (then AR 540, later I-540) north of Alma was originally proposed as "new" 71 and would tie in with the Fayetteville Bypass. 71 would fork off just past AR 112 and head north towards Bentonville. Old 71 was to have become AR 471.

But 71 never got rerouted at Alma due to the last few remaining commercial interests were afraid tourists wouldn't recognize 471 as old 71.

Similarly, old 71 in NW Arkansas was changed from 471 to US 71B again due to commercial interests.There was a brief transition of 71B cosigned with 471.

BTW: the original exit signs on the Fayetteville Bypass referred to the new highway as US 471, not AR 471, but this was quickly changed.


The other question if I understand correctly, reverting a 3d US to 3d AR that was a 3d US: not to my knowledge except in the case of a mis-sign


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Re: Future I-57/US 67
« Reply #660 on: October 12, 2017, 11:05:44 PM »

Oops, you're right. AR 471 became US 71B.
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Re: Future I-57/US 67
« Reply #661 on: October 19, 2017, 09:20:12 PM »

They won't put US 67 back on the old route. There is no precedent of this happening in Arkansas that I know of, and besides AASHTO frowns on that sort of thing.

That is, if AHTD ever bothered to apply to AASHTO to reroute US 67 onto the freeway in the first place. They just got around to applying to reroute US 71 onto the Waldron bypass this year, and the Waldron bypass has been US 71 since before I was born (I'm 43.)

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Re: Future I-57/US 67
« Reply #662 on: October 28, 2017, 05:40:46 PM »

They won't put US 67 back on the old route. There is no precedent of this happening in Arkansas that I know of, and besides AASHTO frowns on that sort of thing.


Not to mention parts of old 67 have been chopped up by the expressway.
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Re: Future I-57/US 67
« Reply #663 on: October 28, 2017, 07:41:35 PM »

They won't put US 67 back on the old route. There is no precedent of this happening in Arkansas that I know of, and besides AASHTO frowns on that sort of thing.

AASHTO doesn't seem to be frowning as much these days. They allowed NC to put US-117 back on it's previous 2-lane alignment between Goldsboro and Wilson after the nearby freeway became I-795. NC also got approval to put US-17 back through Wilmington.
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Re: Future I-57/US 67
« Reply #664 on: October 28, 2017, 09:38:02 PM »

They won't put US 67 back on the old route. There is no precedent of this happening in Arkansas that I know of, and besides AASHTO frowns on that sort of thing.


Not to mention parts of old 67 have been chopped up by the expressway.

They could do it north of Jacksonville at Exit 16, as the old 67 is continuous from that point. But it’s in such crappy condition that it barely qualifies as a 3-digit state highway up to Beebe.
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Re: Future I-57/US 67
« Reply #665 on: October 28, 2017, 09:55:20 PM »

They won't put US 67 back on the old route. There is no precedent of this happening in Arkansas that I know of, and besides AASHTO frowns on that sort of thing.


Not to mention parts of old 67 have been chopped up by the expressway.

They could do it north of Jacksonville at Exit 16, as the old 67 is continuous from that point. But it’s in such crappy condition that it barely qualifies as a 3-digit state highway up to Beebe.

What about Searcy? Through town or follow the zig-zag for 367? ;)
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Re: Future I-57/US 67
« Reply #666 on: October 29, 2017, 12:51:35 PM »

They won't put US 67 back on the old route. There is no precedent of this happening in Arkansas that I know of, and besides AASHTO frowns on that sort of thing.


Not to mention parts of old 67 have been chopped up by the expressway.

They could do it north of Jacksonville at Exit 16, as the old 67 is continuous from that point. But it’s in such crappy condition that it barely qualifies as a 3-digit state highway up to Beebe.
ARDOT is FINALLY getting around to repaving the stretch of old 67 aka AR 367 from exit 16 to the Lonoke / White county line. The road is in very bad shape. I think the road was originally concrete and they paved over it. The concrete sections are separating so its "bump-ump bump-ump bump-ump" constantly. As far as resigning it as US 67, it wouldn't make any sense as the road barely meets state highway standards, let alone modern US highway standards. They could, but they would need to rip out all of those old and narrow bridges (one is visible from the 67 freeway at the Lonoke / Pulaski county line), and replace the roadway, and like US71 stated, the old alignment of US 67 was taken by the southbound lanes of US 67 from just south of exit 44 to 42... and in Jacksonville around the Air Force Base exit.
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Re: Future I-57/US 67
« Reply #667 on: October 29, 2017, 01:26:12 PM »

I take it there is still no news on what to do with US 67 north of Walnut Ridge?
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« Reply #668 on: October 29, 2017, 06:13:37 PM »

I take it there is still no news on what to do with US 67 north of Walnut Ridge?

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