AARoads Forum

Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length

Author Topic: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway  (Read 99782 times)

Brandon

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 8853
  • Mr. Accelerator is our friend; Mr. Brake is not.

  • Age: 40
  • Location: Joliet, IL
  • Last Login: December 14, 2017, 10:25:44 PM
Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
« Reply #475 on: October 10, 2017, 10:17:00 AM »

No, the millennial generation wants more mass transit and sustainable development. They don't want more roads like IL-53. I'm sorry to say, but I really think it's dead in the water.

That's the biggest bunch of horse shit I've seen in a while.  Certain people in the media love to push it, but it doesn't pan out in reality.

I'm currently looking out my office window at the headquarters of the world's second largest private employer, which is in the process of a move from Oak Brook to the West Loop primarily because they are having trouble getting millenials to work in Oak Brook think they're being "cool" by moving into Chicago.

FIFY.  There are plenty of companies staying put where they are.  They'll also lose a good percentage of their experienced work force with the move.
Logged
"If you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention." - Ramsay Bolton

Illinois: America's own banana republic.

ET21

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 1552
  • Age: 25
  • Location: Chicagoland, USA
  • Last Login: December 14, 2017, 03:14:59 PM
Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
« Reply #476 on: October 10, 2017, 11:49:32 AM »

No, the millennial generation wants more mass transit and sustainable development. They don't want more roads like IL-53. I'm sorry to say, but I really think it's dead in the water.

That's the biggest bunch of horse shit I've seen in a while.  Certain people in the media love to push it, but it doesn't pan out in reality.

Not saying I agree with it, but there is some truth behind that. Why do you think companies are moving to big cities and there is more and more push for "liveable" communities (i.e, with lots of pedestrian-friendly streets, bike paths, walking distance to stores, etc).

I'm not saying I don't think IL-53 is needed, I definitely think it's needed, but unless there is a drastic change of attitude soon, I don't think it will happen.

Your logic is flawed. No millineal in their damn mind would want to live in Long Grove let alone afford it.

Even the hipsters can't afford it  :-D :-D
Logged
The local weatherman, trust me I can be 99.9% right!
"Show where your going, without forgetting where your from" -Chrysler 300 commercial

Clinched:
IL: I-88, I-180, I-190, I-290, I-294, I-355
SD: I-190
WI: I-90, I-94
MI: I-196

NIU Huskies: NCCAF MAC Conference Champions (2011, 2012, 2014)

Joe The Dragon

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 661
  • Location: 60016
  • Last Login: December 14, 2017, 12:41:18 PM
Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
« Reply #477 on: October 10, 2017, 07:53:02 PM »

No, the millennial generation wants more mass transit and sustainable development. They don't want more roads like IL-53. I'm sorry to say, but I really think it's dead in the water.

That's the biggest bunch of horse shit I've seen in a while.  Certain people in the media love to push it, but it doesn't pan out in reality.

I'm currently looking out my office window at the headquarters of the world's second largest private employer, which is in the process of a move from Oak Brook to the West Loop primarily because they are having trouble getting millenials to work in Oak Brook think they're being "cool" by moving into Chicago.

FIFY.  There are plenty of companies staying put where they are.  They'll also lose a good percentage of their experienced work force with the move.

I think they want cut out the old dead wood and this is way to do it with out firing people.
Logged

johndoe780

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 251
  • Location: chicago
  • Last Login: December 14, 2017, 03:17:47 PM
Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
« Reply #478 on: October 10, 2017, 08:43:23 PM »

No, the millennial generation wants more mass transit and sustainable development. They don't want more roads like IL-53. I'm sorry to say, but I really think it's dead in the water.

That's the biggest bunch of horse shit I've seen in a while.  Certain people in the media love to push it, but it doesn't pan out in reality.

Not saying I agree with it, but there is some truth behind that. Why do you think companies are moving to big cities and there is more and more push for "liveable" communities (i.e, with lots of pedestrian-friendly streets, bike paths, walking distance to stores, etc).

I'm not saying I don't think IL-53 is needed, I definitely think it's needed, but unless there is a drastic change of attitude soon, I don't think it will happen.

Your logic is flawed. No millineal in their damn mind would want to live in Long Grove let alone afford it.

Even the hipsters can't afford it  :-D :-D

What's the average house price in places like Long Grove? 750k? 1 mill?

Hipsters complain about $1200/month for rent... The toll road is the least of their concern.
Logged

Finrod

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 90
  • Age: 49
  • Location: Atlanta GA
  • Last Login: December 14, 2017, 02:26:15 PM
Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
« Reply #479 on: October 11, 2017, 01:58:49 AM »

They can fight over it all they want, and i'm all for more mass transit options, but until we get mass transit systems that not only work, but don't cost an arm and a leg and can't ever seem to run on time it won't happen. People hate being stuck and not in control of the situation when it happens and thats why mass transit hasn't taken off in this country like in others. We like the freedom of being in control of our own car. Japan has an excellent transit system that would be great for here but until we clear out Madigan, the cook county board and a few other problems we have it'll never happen. 53 does need to happen, and it is only a matter of time before it does.

Doesn't help that pretty much no mass transit system in the country comes even close to paying for itself.  So every time one gets built or extended the costs only go up and there's no money for anything else.
Logged
Internet member since 1987.

I came up with the idea to renumber the DC Beltway from I-495 to I-666.

edwaleni

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 68
  • Last Login: December 09, 2017, 10:38:00 AM
Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
« Reply #480 on: October 12, 2017, 12:37:13 AM »

They can fight over it all they want, and i'm all for more mass transit options, but until we get mass transit systems that not only work, but don't cost an arm and a leg and can't ever seem to run on time it won't happen. People hate being stuck and not in control of the situation when it happens and thats why mass transit hasn't taken off in this country like in others. We like the freedom of being in control of our own car. Japan has an excellent transit system that would be great for here but until we clear out Madigan, the cook county board and a few other problems we have it'll never happen. 53 does need to happen, and it is only a matter of time before it does.

Doesn't help that pretty much no mass transit system in the country comes even close to paying for itself.  So every time one gets built or extended the costs only go up and there's no money for anything else.

Autonomous Transit will be the future for variable destinations desired by cars. It won't replace mass transit where 10's or 100's of thousands need to reach a specific locale but they will still need roads to function.

The City of Jacksonville Florida is looking to replace their automated people mover system with fully autonomous vehicles that can access the elevated right of way where a monorail exists today, directly from the street.

So for urban spaces the cars go up on a elevated ROW where regular cars can't go and stop at stations, and in the suburbs they use the arterials and freeways that already exist and stop at either bus stops or at the address of your choice.

Look ahead route planning using telemetry will guide your vehicle on a route that bypasses accidents.

No word on how these can be programmed to avoid neighborhoods.  I would hate to get caught at 63rd and State trying to avoid a backup on the Ryan.
Logged

Rick Powell

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 274
  • Last Login: December 14, 2017, 12:21:47 AM
Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
« Reply #481 on: October 13, 2017, 02:03:33 AM »


No, the millennial generation wants more mass transit and sustainable development. They don't want more roads like IL-53. I'm sorry to say, but I really think it's dead in the water.

For people who live in Lake County, and work in northern Cook or DuPage, the potential for additional mass transit is challenging. Lots of mass transit is available for people who live in the suburbs and work downtown, as Metra is one of the largest and most successful spoke-and-hub transit systems in the USA. And there is a logic for firms located downtown (like where I work) because you can draw from a large talent pool when you are at the center point of a robust spoke-and-hub system like Metra (and for those in CTA or biking distance of the loop or for the hardy souls who drive and park in the loop). But I will also tell you, from actual observation of our work force and the work force of other companies and agencies we work with, that somewhere around 9 of 10 millenials/Gen X and Y will move to the suburbs when their children reach school age. We have a few people within 5 or 10 minutes' walking distance of our office. But even for the city residents among us, their commute is often a 45 minute to 1 hour affair when all the walking, waiting and riding is all factored in.
Logged

Revive 755

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 3199
  • Last Login: December 10, 2017, 12:20:53 PM
Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
« Reply #482 on: October 13, 2017, 09:23:32 PM »

Recently noticed that a couple of the new sign bridges for the EOE at or east of I-290 have illumination for the BGS's mounted upon them.  I had thought those were going extinct given the improved retroreflectivity of signs.
Logged

compdude787

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 369
  • Age: 22
  • Location: Lynnwood, WA
  • Last Login: December 14, 2017, 12:50:38 AM
Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
« Reply #483 on: October 14, 2017, 12:16:14 AM »

No, the millennial generation wants more mass transit and sustainable development. They don't want more roads like IL-53. I'm sorry to say, but I really think it's dead in the water.

That's the biggest bunch of horse shit I've seen in a while.  Certain people in the media love to push it, but it doesn't pan out in reality.

I'm currently looking out my office window at the headquarters of the world's second largest private employer, which is in the process of a move from Oak Brook to the West Loop primarily because they are having trouble getting millenials to work in Oak Brook think they're being "cool" by moving into Chicago.

FIFY.  There are plenty of companies staying put where they are.  They'll also lose a good percentage of their experienced work force with the move.

Yup. I doubt it has anything to do with millennials not wanting to work in the suburbs. I'm a millennial and I actually like living in the suburbs. I have never understood the hate for suburbs. In fact, I want to have a job in the suburbs so that I don't have to commute all the way into downtown Seattle, whose road network has not seen a significant capacity increase since the 60s.

ChiMilNet

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 211
  • Location: Chicago North Side
  • Last Login: December 14, 2017, 09:30:52 PM
Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
« Reply #484 on: October 14, 2017, 06:28:47 PM »

No, the millennial generation wants more mass transit and sustainable development. They don't want more roads like IL-53. I'm sorry to say, but I really think it's dead in the water.

That's the biggest bunch of horse shit I've seen in a while.  Certain people in the media love to push it, but it doesn't pan out in reality.

I'm currently looking out my office window at the headquarters of the world's second largest private employer, which is in the process of a move from Oak Brook to the West Loop primarily because they are having trouble getting millenials to work in Oak Brook think they're being "cool" by moving into Chicago.

FIFY.  There are plenty of companies staying put where they are.  They'll also lose a good percentage of their experienced work force with the move.

Yup. I doubt it has anything to do with millennials not wanting to work in the suburbs. I'm a millennial and I actually like living in the suburbs. I have never understood the hate for suburbs. In fact, I want to have a job in the suburbs so that I don't have to commute all the way into downtown Seattle, whose road network has not seen a significant capacity increase since the 60s.

As a millennial who recently made the move from suburbs to city, I can tell you it's very much a lifestyle thing. At least from an Illinois perspective, the abundance of public transportation in the city is just a lot more convenient than dealing with the mess of a road system in the burbs, at least in my opinion. Getting this back on the main subject, the new IL-390 Tollway will help things, but I do believe that it would be a great candidate for a future mass transit (maybe part of a blue line extension, for instance).

However, when I go to the burbs, I absolutely want more highways as it allows me to get where I am going faster out that way.
Logged

inkyatari

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 683
  • Age: 49
  • Location: Morris, IL
  • Last Login: December 14, 2017, 04:20:54 PM
Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
« Reply #485 on: October 19, 2017, 08:50:55 AM »

Registered my wife and son for the event.  Should be a blast!
Logged

Great Lakes Roads

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 87
  • Ain't nobody got time for that!!

  • Age: 18
  • Location: La Porte, Indiana
  • Last Login: December 14, 2017, 11:32:28 PM
Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
« Reply #486 on: October 19, 2017, 10:44:12 AM »

Registered my wife and son for the event.  Should be a blast!

I am also going to the event!! Can't wait!!
Logged

bobonabike

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 7
  • Location: Genoa, IL
  • Last Login: November 02, 2017, 09:28:23 AM
Logged

Great Lakes Roads

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 87
  • Ain't nobody got time for that!!

  • Age: 18
  • Location: La Porte, Indiana
  • Last Login: December 14, 2017, 11:32:28 PM
Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
« Reply #488 on: November 05, 2017, 03:11:15 PM »

Here are the driving videos on the new section of the Elgin-O'Hare expressway (Illinois Route 390) in BOTH directions!!  :clap: :clap: :clap:

Eastbound:

Westbound:
Logged

johndoe780

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 251
  • Location: chicago
  • Last Login: December 14, 2017, 03:17:47 PM
Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
« Reply #489 on: November 06, 2017, 10:04:36 AM »

I like how ITHSA painted the gantries gray instead of that gross rusty looking paint IDOT uses.

Does anyone know why IDOT continues to use rusty looking paint on its bridges and gantries?
« Last Edit: November 06, 2017, 10:06:57 AM by johndoe780 »
Logged

mgk920

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 2781
  • Location: Appleton, WI USA
  • Last Login: December 14, 2017, 11:37:28 PM
Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
« Reply #490 on: November 06, 2017, 10:58:36 AM »

What's the current end-to-end car toll on IL 390?

Also, is there any near-term possibility for the ISTHA to adapt the 'pay by mail' plate photo thing that other tollway and bridge/tunnel authorities use on their open road/electronic tolls?

BTW, that eastward extension is one of those corridors that I thought that I would never see developed.

Mike
Logged

Brandon

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 8853
  • Mr. Accelerator is our friend; Mr. Brake is not.

  • Age: 40
  • Location: Joliet, IL
  • Last Login: December 14, 2017, 10:25:44 PM
Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
« Reply #491 on: November 06, 2017, 11:45:22 AM »

Also, is there any near-term possibility for the ISTHA to adapt the 'pay by mail' plate photo thing that other tollway and bridge/tunnel authorities use on their open road/electronic tolls?

ISTHA does pay online rather than 'pay by mail' plate photo thing.  If you pay online within 7 days, it's merely the cash rate (twice the I-Pass rate) with no other fees or fines attached (unlike some other agencies do).

The rates are here: https://www.illinoistollway.com/tolling-information
« Last Edit: November 06, 2017, 11:56:26 AM by Brandon »
Logged
"If you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention." - Ramsay Bolton

Illinois: America's own banana republic.

SEWIGuy

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 825
  • Last Login: December 14, 2017, 10:45:33 PM
Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
« Reply #492 on: November 06, 2017, 12:03:05 PM »

What's the current end-to-end car toll on IL 390?

$1.90 Ipass, $3.80 cash
Logged

dvferyance

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 777
  • Location: New Berlin WI
  • Last Login: December 14, 2017, 08:44:37 PM
Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
« Reply #493 on: November 06, 2017, 07:27:28 PM »

RIP Thorndale Ave.
Logged

sparker

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 2812
  • Location: Bay Area, CA
  • Last Login: Today at 02:46:00 AM
Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
« Reply #494 on: November 06, 2017, 08:09:03 PM »

I like how ITHSA painted the gantries gray instead of that gross rusty looking paint IDOT uses.

Does anyone know why IDOT continues to use rusty looking paint on its bridges and gantries?

If it's Corr-Ten (I hope I got the spelling right) steel, it is inherently "rusty", as the steel is deliberately intended to build up an outer oxidized layer that protects the actual structure from rust damage.  It's extensively used in OR and WA, where year-round moisture is a perpetual problem. 
Logged

compdude787

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 369
  • Age: 22
  • Location: Lynnwood, WA
  • Last Login: December 14, 2017, 12:50:38 AM
Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
« Reply #495 on: November 06, 2017, 09:24:19 PM »

Also, is there any near-term possibility for the ISTHA to adapt the 'pay by mail' plate photo thing that other tollway and bridge/tunnel authorities use on their open road/electronic tolls?

ISTHA does pay online rather than 'pay by mail' plate photo thing.  If you pay online within 7 days, it's merely the cash rate (twice the I-Pass rate) with no other fees or fines attached (unlike some other agencies do).

The rates are here: https://www.illinoistollway.com/tolling-information

Frankly, I wish every toll agency did it that way. If I was driving on a particular road as part of a trip only once such that I didn't think it worth getting a transponder prior to the trip, I'd rather be able to pay online just after I've used the road rather than waiting for that toll agency to send me a bill in the mail.

Rick Powell

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 274
  • Last Login: December 14, 2017, 12:21:47 AM
Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
« Reply #496 on: November 07, 2017, 12:20:11 AM »

I like how ITHSA painted the gantries gray instead of that gross rusty looking paint IDOT uses.

Does anyone know why IDOT continues to use rusty looking paint on its bridges and gantries?

If it's Corr-Ten (I hope I got the spelling right) steel, it is inherently "rusty", as the steel is deliberately intended to build up an outer oxidized layer that protects the actual structure from rust damage.  It's extensively used in OR and WA, where year-round moisture is a perpetual problem. 

Plus, Cor-Ten doesn’t need to be painted, which eliminates a maintenance expense. IDOT does paint the beam ends of “high visibility” bridges of Cor-Ten steel, because it leaves horrible rust stains on adjacent concrete piers and slope walls if left untreated.
Logged

Brandon

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 8853
  • Mr. Accelerator is our friend; Mr. Brake is not.

  • Age: 40
  • Location: Joliet, IL
  • Last Login: December 14, 2017, 10:25:44 PM
Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
« Reply #497 on: November 07, 2017, 05:59:33 AM »

RIP Thorndale Ave.

Thorndale is now the service drive for the eastern EOE.
Logged
"If you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention." - Ramsay Bolton

Illinois: America's own banana republic.

inkyatari

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 683
  • Age: 49
  • Location: Morris, IL
  • Last Login: December 14, 2017, 04:20:54 PM
Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
« Reply #498 on: November 07, 2017, 09:19:01 AM »

It seems to me that the only reason the 390 / 490 projects are being built is because the ISTHA is bored and needs something to do.  the north 53 extension / 120 improvements are much more needed, but who knows what's going to happen with that.
Logged

Henry

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 3717
  • Age: 47
  • Location: Chicago, IL/Seattle, WA
  • Last Login: December 14, 2017, 03:06:55 PM
    • Henry Watson's Online Freeway
Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
« Reply #499 on: November 07, 2017, 10:03:54 AM »

I'm definitely going to check out the new tollway on my next trip back to Chicago!
Logged
Go Cubs Go! Go Cubs Go! Hey Chicago, what do you say? The Cubs are gonna win today!

 


Opinions expressed here on belong solely to the poster and do not represent or reflect the opinions or beliefs of AARoads, its creators and/or associates.