New Cline Avenue Bridge Set to Open in 2019 [NW Indiana]

Started by Beltway, June 17, 2017, 11:21:49 PM

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NWI_Irish96

If there's enough interest in this topic, it can be split off into a separate thread, but for now I'll leave it here:

http://cdm16066.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/ref/collection/p15078coll8/id/3458

When I moved to Lake County 3 years ago, I became curious about decommissioned roads and pre-freeway alignments of current roads. I found this map from 1958. It's a bit hard to read, but this is what I see:

US 6: Instead of turning north at/with IN 51 and then following I-80/94 into Illinois, it continued west on Ridge Road to Hohman Ave in Munster, north on Hohman to 165th St in Hammond, and then west on 165th into Illinois

US 12: Routing remained as it was in 1958 until not too long ago, when it got rerouted off Airport Rd onto IN 912 and US 20.

US 20: Routing appears to be the same now as in 1958

US 41: At the far southern end of the county, the smoothing out of the jog at Schneider was not yet built. Farther north, before the existence of I-80/94, US 41 turned west at Ridge to Calumet and then north on Calumet.

US 231 didn't yet exist

IN 2: Routing appears to be the same now as in 1958

IN 8: Took the route of what is now US 231

IN 51: Used to end at what was then IN 330 but now continues south to US 30

IN 53: Continued southeast beyond its current end along then-IN 8 (now US 231)

IN 55: Routing appears to be the same now as in 1958

IN 73: Now decommissioned, was Broad St between Ridge Rd (US 6) and IN 330. I believe at a later point it went down to US 30.

IN 130: Routing appears to be the same now as in 1958

IN 141: Now decommissioned, was Calumet Ave between Ridge Rd and Columbia Ave, and Columbia Ave down to US 30

IN 152: Southern end got truncated from Ridge Rd to I-80/94 when US 41 got rerouted, northern end got truncated from Chicago Ave to Carroll because it was unnecessary to begin with

IN 312: West end truncated from state line to White Oak Ave (just recently), east end truncated from Airport Rd to Cline Ave

IN 330: Now decommissioned, followed old alignment of Lincoln Hwy

IN 912: Originally started at Kennedy/Ridge, going north on Kennedy, east on Carroll, north on Cline, northwest on Guthrie, southwest on Waitling, northwest on Dickey and west on 129th to Indianapolis.
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silverback1065

is this still on hold due to the company behind it being terrible?

NWI_Irish96

Quote from: silverback1065 on October 27, 2020, 12:28:21 PM
is this still on hold due to the company behind it being terrible?

I haven't seen anything about it since the story in August about the company suing their insurer. Haven't been over that way recently to check things out but I assume there's no more progress.
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NWI_Irish96

https://www.nwitimes.com/business/local/last-segment-of-cline-avenue-bridge-in-place/article_2e63fe7f-4365-5386-b024-051f7295714e.html#tracking-source=home-trending

QuoteThe final segment of the new Cline Avenue Bridge was lifted into place recently, putting all 685 segments that form the driving deck in place. Bridge officials plan to open the bridge to traffic this winter.
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NWI_Irish96

https://www.facebook.com/WJOB.1230/videos/388978092313206/

Bridge discussion from 10:00 to 22:00 of this video. Didn't give an exact date but sounds like it will open in January.
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Terry Shea

Quote from: cabiness42 on December 07, 2020, 07:40:00 PM
https://www.facebook.com/WJOB.1230/videos/388978092313206/

Bridge discussion from 10:00 to 22:00 of this video. Didn't give an exact date but sounds like it will open in January.
Which century?

silverback1065

so what will the official routing of 912 be after this opens?

NWI_Irish96

Quote from: silverback1065 on December 07, 2020, 09:05:33 PM
so what will the official routing of 912 be after this opens?

That is still unclear. INDOT does not sign roads that they don't own, so by that rule the bridge would be an unsigned road connecting two separate segments of 912.
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abqtraveler

Quote from: cabiness42 on December 07, 2020, 10:07:31 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 07, 2020, 09:05:33 PM
so what will the official routing of 912 be after this opens?

That is still unclear. INDOT does not sign roads that they don't own, so by that rule the bridge would be an unsigned road connecting two separate segments of 912.

They might make an exception to provide continuity.
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hockeyjohn

Quote from: abqtraveler on December 08, 2020, 05:54:00 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 07, 2020, 10:07:31 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 07, 2020, 09:05:33 PM
so what will the official routing of 912 be after this opens?

That is still unclear. INDOT does not sign roads that they don't own, so by that rule the bridge would be an unsigned road connecting two separate segments of 912.

They might make an exception to provide continuity.

Because the Indiana State Road sign is so similar to the non-pentagonal county/local road marker, there are a number of options INDOT could use to sign the non-State maintained section of SR 912 to provide continuity for the driver while indicating the roadway is owned or maintained by another jurisdiction for legal reasons.    I'd suggest where the State portion ends, placement of one of the examples below (or similar) with the "State Maintenance Ends" sign underneath and then an Indiana 912 sign with "State Maintenance Begins" on the other side of the bridge where State control resumes.   This takes away any real need for END Indiana 912 signage around the gap which becomes additional "noise" to the typical driver.   We may care about such jurisdictional changes, but most do not.



This approach could also be used in situations like SR 22 in Kokomo where it just ends at the western city limit and then picks up again on the other side of town at the US-31 interchange (actually, I'd just eliminate SR 22 between US-31 and I-69 since it is dual with US-35 the entire way, but that is a different discussion).   For continuity, one of the "local" markers could be used to mark "Local 22" through Kokomo to US-31.


silverback1065

#61
they could at least do "TO" SR 912 with a directional arrow below

NWI_Irish96

The problem with any of those alternatives is that they would imply local or county control of the roadway when there isn't. What I think we're most likely to get is just a lack of signage of any kind on the bridge
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hockeyjohn

Quote from: cabiness42 on December 09, 2020, 02:28:51 PM
The problem with any of those alternatives is that they would imply local or county control of the roadway when there isn't. What I think we're most likely to get is just a lack of signage of any kind on the bridge

I didn't know who owns the new bridge so made the examples with local jurisdictions.   If it is a private operator, then TO 912 would suffice if the section is long enough to warrant reassurance markers.

NWI_Irish96

Quote from: hockeyjohn on December 09, 2020, 02:48:54 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 09, 2020, 02:28:51 PM
The problem with any of those alternatives is that they would imply local or county control of the roadway when there isn't. What I think we're most likely to get is just a lack of signage of any kind on the bridge

I didn't know who owns the new bridge so made the examples with local jurisdictions.   If it is a private operator, then TO 912 would suffice if the section is long enough to warrant reassurance markers.

It's a privately owned bridge. I think the problem with "TO 912" markers is that you're already on 912 to get to the bridge, and at that point telling people they are going TO 912 is going to be confusing.

It would be nice if INDOT would just sign the bridge as 912 and deal with the fact that it will cause them to get come calls from the public that they'll have to redirect.
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nwi_navigator_1181

Quote from: cabiness42 on December 09, 2020, 03:33:17 PM
Quote from: hockeyjohn on December 09, 2020, 02:48:54 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 09, 2020, 02:28:51 PM
The problem with any of those alternatives is that they would imply local or county control of the roadway when there isn't. What I think we're most likely to get is just a lack of signage of any kind on the bridge

I didn't know who owns the new bridge so made the examples with local jurisdictions.   If it is a private operator, then TO 912 would suffice if the section is long enough to warrant reassurance markers.

It's a privately owned bridge. I think the problem with "TO 912" markers is that you're already on 912 to get to the bridge, and at that point telling people they are going TO 912 is going to be confusing.

It would be nice if INDOT would just sign the bridge as 912 and deal with the fact that it will cause them to get come calls from the public that they'll have to redirect.

It wouldn't be too far of a reach if they just simply signed it as "WEST Cline Ave, TO US 41/I-90, Chicago,"  with a yellow "TOLL"  tab on top of it. In the other direction, simply set the controls as Hammond and East Chicago.

Makes things easier since Riley Road won't be restored as an exit (Riley Road traffic can only access westbound Cline Avenue).
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silverback1065


nwi_navigator_1181

#67
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 14, 2020, 08:53:39 PM
any maps of what the new exits will look like?

Edit: Link removed because of misdirection.

Nothing’s really changed. The current ramps on the southeast end of the bridge will maintain their original footprints. The main difference is that Riley Road traffic will only have access to westbound Cline Avenue, toward Calumet Avenue and the Toll Road. No other exits or entrances.

The other big news just announced on their Facebook page: the bridge opens December 23! Quite the Christmas present along with the first month being toll-free!
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Joe The Dragon

Quote from: nwi_navigator_1181 on December 14, 2020, 09:18:24 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 14, 2020, 08:53:39 PM
any maps of what the new exits will look like?

Edit: Link removed because of misdirection.

Nothing's really changed. The current ramps on the southeast end of the bridge will maintain their original footprints. The main difference is that Riley Road traffic will only have access to westbound Cline Avenue, toward Calumet Avenue and the Toll Road. No other exits or entrances.

The other big news just announced on their Facebook page: the bridge opens December 23! Quite the Christmas present along with the first month being toll-free!
Will they change I-pass users that added fee that IN-toll has

NWI_Irish96

Quote from: Joe The Dragon on December 15, 2020, 09:59:26 PM
Quote from: nwi_navigator_1181 on December 14, 2020, 09:18:24 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 14, 2020, 08:53:39 PM
any maps of what the new exits will look like?

Edit: Link removed because of misdirection.

Nothing's really changed. The current ramps on the southeast end of the bridge will maintain their original footprints. The main difference is that Riley Road traffic will only have access to westbound Cline Avenue, toward Calumet Avenue and the Toll Road. No other exits or entrances.

The other big news just announced on their Facebook page: the bridge opens December 23! Quite the Christmas present along with the first month being toll-free!
Will they change I-pass users that added fee that IN-toll has

I highly doubt it. Indiana Toll Road charges more for Illinois transponders because they want you to buy theirs. The bridge isn't going to have their own transponders so which state you use won't matter to them.
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NWI_Irish96

I just got back from the ribbon-cutting ceremony and first drive across the bridge. Bridge will be free the first month, $1 the next month, and then the permanent tolls will be $2.50 with a transponder and $5.50 without.

I was told by a representative from the bridge operator and someone from INDOT that the bridge is considered part of IN 912, though the signage is still on Dickey Rd, Michigan Ave and Riley Road and not on the bridge yet.
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Great Lakes Roads

#71
I drove on it as well (both directions during the ceremony and when it opened to traffic about 30 minutes after 1 pm)... Not a lot of traffic on it when I was recording it right after they opened.

The videos of the bridge and the ceremony will go up sometime within the next couple of days.

EDIT: Here is a video of the NEW Cline Avenue Bridge heading northbound:


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NWI_Irish96

Quote from: ET21 on December 23, 2020, 04:55:43 PM
How was the drive overall?

It's a bridge with a view the lakefront oil tanks and steel mills, so it's not a drive you take for scenery. It's really more for trucks and employees going to/from the mills, or if you're going to the casinos. It's only one lane each way on the new section.
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Brandon

Quote from: cabiness42 on December 23, 2020, 06:12:46 PM
Quote from: ET21 on December 23, 2020, 04:55:43 PM
How was the drive overall?

It's a bridge with a view the lakefront oil tanks and steel mills, so it's not a drive you take for scenery. It's really more for trucks and employees going to/from the mills, or if you're going to the casinos. It's only one lane each way on the new section.

Any plans by the bridge operators to add two more lanes?
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