Alaska officials look to resurrect Juneau road project

Started by Kniwt, May 17, 2018, 09:54:17 AM

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texaskdog

Quote from: Beltway on May 24, 2018, 09:54:51 PM
Do it right and build a highway that would connect Juneau to the continental highway system.
No ferry segment. 
No excuses.

Fritz Owl would put a freeway in


Beltway

Quote from: texaskdog on June 01, 2018, 08:14:18 AM
Quote from: Beltway on May 24, 2018, 09:54:51 PM
Do it right and build a highway that would connect Juneau to the continental highway system.
No ferry segment. 
No excuses.
Fritz Owl would put a freeway in

With 8 lanes!   :clap:
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NE2

Methinks the critics need a hysterectomy. Fuck women get paid.
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texaskdog

Quote from: Beltway on June 01, 2018, 09:27:13 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on June 01, 2018, 08:14:18 AM
Quote from: Beltway on May 24, 2018, 09:54:51 PM
Do it right and build a highway that would connect Juneau to the continental highway system.
No ferry segment. 
No excuses.
Fritz Owl would put a freeway in

With 8 lanes!   :clap:

Only question is would he tunnel through the mountains or have a big Lake Ponchotrain type bridge?

Brandon

Quote from: NE2 on June 01, 2018, 11:40:54 AM
Methinks the critics need a hysterectomy. Fuck women get paid.

Post drunk much?
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kkt

Quote from: texaskdog on June 01, 2018, 02:02:14 PM
Quote from: Beltway on June 01, 2018, 09:27:13 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on June 01, 2018, 08:14:18 AM
Quote from: Beltway on May 24, 2018, 09:54:51 PM
Do it right and build a highway that would connect Juneau to the continental highway system.
No ferry segment. 
No excuses.
Fritz Owl would put a freeway in

With 8 lanes!   :clap:

Only question is would he tunnel through the mountains or have a big Lake Ponchotrain type bridge?

Come on.  It's Fritzowl.  You know the answer is both, plus two more freeways you haven't thought of yet.

NE2

Quote from: Brandon on June 01, 2018, 03:33:51 PM
Quote from: NE2 on June 01, 2018, 11:40:54 AM
Methinks the critics need a hysterectomy. Fuck women get paid.

Post drunk much?

What else would someone with hysterics need?
pre-1945 Florida route log

I accept and respect your identity as long as it's not dumb shit like "identifying as a vaccinated attack helicopter".

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NE2

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I accept and respect your identity as long as it's not dumb shit like "identifying as a vaccinated attack helicopter".

skluth

Quote from: kkt on June 01, 2018, 09:33:23 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on June 01, 2018, 02:02:14 PM
Quote from: Beltway on June 01, 2018, 09:27:13 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on June 01, 2018, 08:14:18 AM
Quote from: Beltway on May 24, 2018, 09:54:51 PM
Do it right and build a highway that would connect Juneau to the continental highway system.
No ferry segment. 
No excuses.
Fritz Owl would put a freeway in

With 8 lanes!   :clap:

Only question is would he tunnel through the mountains or have a big Lake Ponchotrain type bridge?

Come on.  It's Fritzowl.  You know the answer is both, plus two more freeways you haven't thought of yet.

Why tunnel or bridge when you can have a highway over a glacier? It could star in a new reality series on the Weather Channel.

theroadwayone

The ratings it would draw would put the Super Bowl and the Kardashians to shame, and then some.

texaskdog

Quote from: Beltway on May 25, 2018, 11:12:39 PM
Then maybe it is time to move the capital, if they are not going to connect Juneau to the continental highway system.

The real question is achieving Fritzowl's dream of having every capital connect to the interstate system

Flint1979

I really never understood why the capital was in Juneau and not Anchorage or Fairbanks.

oscar

Quote from: Flint1979 on July 13, 2018, 10:57:24 AM
I really never understood why the capital was in Juneau and not Anchorage or Fairbanks.

Because in the early 20th century, when the capital was moved from Sitka (which isn't even on the mainland, but the Russians made it their colonial capital largely due to convenient ship access), southeast Alaska was where the population and many of the gold mines were.

The 1900 Alaska census summary, oddly enough, shows Nome as the most populous community in Alaska (gold was probably the reason for Nome's sudden appearance on the list, after it was left off in the 1890 census). Anchorage and Fairbanks weren't even on the list. Their population growth came later, with the construction of the Alaska Railroad, and increasingly strong military presence from World War II onward.
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kkt

Alaska discussed moving the capital to Anchorage and it got as far as a statewide ballot proposition.  In 1974, they voted to move the capital, but it didn't have any money attached to it.  A vote for the money to carry out the move was put on the ballot in 1982, and it failed.  It matters a lot to Juneau to remain the capital, because it would pretty much vanish without it.  Most of the rest of the state doesn't care enough to spend money to move it.

oscar

Quote from: kkt on July 13, 2018, 12:12:10 PM
Alaska discussed moving the capital to Anchorage and it got as far as a statewide ballot proposition.  In 1974, they voted to move the capital, but it didn't have any money attached to it.  A vote for the money to carry out the move was put on the ballot in 1982, and it failed.  It matters a lot to Juneau to remain the capital, because it would pretty much vanish without it.  Most of the rest of the state doesn't care enough to spend money to move it.

There was also a lot of reluctance to increase Anchorage's political clout, even if the capital were moved to a location at the far northern edge of the Anchorage metro area like Willow.
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Flint1979

Some of the state capitals I have no idea how they became the state capital. Like Florida's for example, Tallahassee is in the panhandle in the northwest part of the state while a city like Orlando would make much more sense to be the state capital being more centrally located.

Michigan's is in a pretty good location though, Lansing is very close to the population center of the state.

Flint1979

Quote from: texaskdog on July 13, 2018, 08:08:17 AM
Quote from: Beltway on May 25, 2018, 11:12:39 PM
Then maybe it is time to move the capital, if they are not going to connect Juneau to the continental highway system.

The real question is achieving Fritzowl's dream of having every capital connect to the interstate system
I guess we'd have to do something about Jefferson City too then.

Beltway

Quote from: Flint1979 on July 13, 2018, 05:01:57 PM
Some of the state capitals I have no idea how they became the state capital. Like Florida's for example, Tallahassee is in the panhandle in the northwest part of the state while a city like Orlando would make much more sense to be the state capital being more centrally located.

Quick search found this:
It made sense to put Florida's capital in Tallahassee back when it was the center of the state's plantation economy.
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Brandon

Quote from: Beltway on July 13, 2018, 05:17:50 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on July 13, 2018, 05:01:57 PM
Some of the state capitals I have no idea how they became the state capital. Like Florida's for example, Tallahassee is in the panhandle in the northwest part of the state while a city like Orlando would make much more sense to be the state capital being more centrally located.

Quick search found this:
It made sense to put Florida's capital in Tallahassee back when it was the center of the state's plantation economy.

Even moreso when it was halfway between the two capitals of East and West Florida, St. Augustine and Pensacola.  One must remember that prior to the 1920s, there was little population on the Florida peninsula itself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Tallahassee,_Florida
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kkt

Quote from: Brandon on July 13, 2018, 05:47:17 PM
Quote from: Beltway on July 13, 2018, 05:17:50 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on July 13, 2018, 05:01:57 PM
Some of the state capitals I have no idea how they became the state capital. Like Florida's for example, Tallahassee is in the panhandle in the northwest part of the state while a city like Orlando would make much more sense to be the state capital being more centrally located.

Quick search found this:
It made sense to put Florida's capital in Tallahassee back when it was the center of the state's plantation economy.

Even moreso when it was halfway between the two capitals of East and West Florida, St. Augustine and Pensacola.  One must remember that prior to the 1920s, there was little population on the Florida peninsula itself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Tallahassee,_Florida

Also before air conditioning living on the Florida peninsula wasn't very pleasant.  Not that the Gulf Coast was a picnic.

mgk920

Quote from: kkt on July 13, 2018, 07:21:02 PM
Quote from: Brandon on July 13, 2018, 05:47:17 PM
Quote from: Beltway on July 13, 2018, 05:17:50 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on July 13, 2018, 05:01:57 PM
Some of the state capitals I have no idea how they became the state capital. Like Florida's for example, Tallahassee is in the panhandle in the northwest part of the state while a city like Orlando would make much more sense to be the state capital being more centrally located.

Quick search found this:
It made sense to put Florida's capital in Tallahassee back when it was the center of the state's plantation economy.

Even moreso when it was halfway between the two capitals of East and West Florida, St. Augustine and Pensacola.  One must remember that prior to the 1920s, there was little population on the Florida peninsula itself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Tallahassee,_Florida

Also before air conditioning living on the Florida peninsula wasn't very pleasant.  Not that the Gulf Coast was a picnic.

Ditto Arizona and southern Nevada.  Prior to air conditioning, Las Vegas, NV and Phoenix, AZ were both very small places, such that the state capital of Nevada was established in much more 'livable' Carson City and Arizona did not get its star on the flag until 1912.

Mike

Flint1979

Carson City being Nevada's capital makes some sense. It was founded before Las Vegas and Reno and until 1950 Reno was more populated than Las Vegas. Las Vegas started booming in the 1960's and the population almost doubled in the 1990's.

roadfro

Quote from: mgk920 on July 13, 2018, 08:14:34 PM
Quote from: kkt on July 13, 2018, 07:21:02 PM
Quote from: Brandon on July 13, 2018, 05:47:17 PM
Quote from: Beltway on July 13, 2018, 05:17:50 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on July 13, 2018, 05:01:57 PM
Some of the state capitals I have no idea how they became the state capital. Like Florida's for example, Tallahassee is in the panhandle in the northwest part of the state while a city like Orlando would make much more sense to be the state capital being more centrally located.

Quick search found this:
It made sense to put Florida's capital in Tallahassee back when it was the center of the state's plantation economy.

Even moreso when it was halfway between the two capitals of East and West Florida, St. Augustine and Pensacola.  One must remember that prior to the 1920s, there was little population on the Florida peninsula itself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Tallahassee,_Florida

Also before air conditioning living on the Florida peninsula wasn't very pleasant.  Not that the Gulf Coast was a picnic.

Ditto Arizona and southern Nevada.  Prior to air conditioning, Las Vegas, NV and Phoenix, AZ were both very small places, such that the state capital of Nevada was established in much more 'livable' Carson City and Arizona did not get its star on the flag until 1912.

Quote from: Flint1979 on July 13, 2018, 10:57:51 PM
Carson City being Nevada's capital makes some sense. It was founded before Las Vegas and Reno and until 1950 Reno was more populated than Las Vegas. Las Vegas started booming in the 1960's and the population almost doubled in the 1990's.

Carson City ended up getting established as the state capital due to its proximity to the Comstock Lode, the giant silver mining claim that was a motivating factor in the Nevada territory becoming a state during the Civil War. It was also a major railroad hub and really was a major population center for the state at the time.

It's also worth noting that when Nevada achieved statehood, much southern portion of the state (including the Las Vegas Valley) was still part of the Arizona Territory and was not annexed until about a year or so later. That area was not largely populated at the time.
Roadfro - AARoads Pacific Southwest moderator since 2010, Nevada roadgeek since 1983.

oscar

FHWA just issued its ROD, ratifying the Governor's decision to go with the "no-build" alternative:

http://dot.alaska.gov/comm/pressbox/arch_2018/PR18-1032.shtml

Basically, the Governor would like to improve Juneau access, but thinks the avalanche and litigation risks make it hard to justify the proposed road extension and new ferry terminal in the current fiscal environment.

The press release also clarifies that one reason for all the work on updating the environmental paperwork was to avoid having to pay back Federal funds already spent on the project, rather than to set the stage for the Governor to go ahead with the project.
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