Erroneous road signs

[gpjedge]

Ontario doesn't understand the difference between US routes and NY state routes:

https://www.google.ca/maps?ll=44.755857,-75.479679&spn=0.000008,0.005284&t=m&z=18&layer=c&cbll=44.75586,-75.479651&panoid=tyBKZwbKeHK00NuDRkeqQQ&cbp=12,231.54,,2,2.19

US Route 37 did exist at one point, but ran in Kentucky and Tennessee.  And was replaced with US 31E in 1952.

Also, a minor quibble, but even if this was corrected to NY 37, it still wouldn't be 100% accurate.  Technically, upon crossing the border, you're on NY 812, and only run into NY 37 0.6 miles after the customs plaza.

[getemngo]

US 37 loves to make its way into states where it never existed. (Is it... haunting them!?) Here it is in Michigan:



(courtesy Barry Camp)

[vtk]

I'm pretty sure there have been US 37 markers in Ohio too

[hbelkins]

Ontario doesn't understand the difference between US routes and NY state routes:

https://www.google.ca/maps?ll=44.755857,-75.479679&spn=0.000008,0.005284&t=m&z=18&layer=c&cbll=44.75586,-75.479651&panoid=tyBKZwbKeHK00NuDRkeqQQ&cbp=12,231.54,,2,2.19

US Route 37 did exist at one point, but ran entirely within Kentucky.  And was replaced with US 31E in 1952.

Actually, it was in Tennessee as well, and ran along what is now KY 90 and US 127.

Unless it's been replaced, there's a US 37 sign on I-81 southbound where there should be a VA 37 marker. I've photographed it at least twice.

[gpjedge]

Ontario doesn't understand the difference between US routes and NY state routes:

https://www.google.ca/maps?ll=44.755857,-75.479679&spn=0.000008,0.005284&t=m&z=18&layer=c&cbll=44.75586,-75.479651&panoid=tyBKZwbKeHK00NuDRkeqQQ&cbp=12,231.54,,2,2.19

US Route 37 did exist at one point, but ran entirely within Kentucky.  And was replaced with US 31E in 1952.

Actually, it was in Tennessee as well, and ran along what is now KY 90 and US 127.

Unless it's been replaced, there's a US 37 sign on I-81 southbound where there should be a VA 37 marker. I've photographed it at least twice.

Fixed that.  Thanks.

Curious.  I suppose 37 is a common enough state route number, and replacing it with a currently nonexistent (and thus non-conflicting) US route is a fairly easy mistake for some contractors to make.

Or maybe getemngo is right, and US 37 is haunting various states, angry for being decommissioned to be replaced with a fairly minor suffixed highway (which it had been created to avoid in the first place)...

EDIT: Found the offending sign in Virginia: http://goo.gl/maps/uHJfy

[yakra]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJqzrXC8mE4&t=3m26s

[JCinSummerfield]

I'm pretty sure there have been US 37 markers in Ohio too

Yes, travelling west on US-36/OH37 in Delaware, on that billboard-like structure just before the underpass.  There were others also, but it's been a few years, and may be corrected.

[vtk]

This button copy sign [street view link] has apparently been replaced recently.  The replacement has an OH 71 shield.  It can be seen from the freeway if you're looking at the right moment.

[JMoses24]

This button copy sign [street view link] has apparently been replaced recently.  The replacement has an OH 71 shield.  It can be seen from the freeway if you're looking at the right moment.

This is right under my nose and I didn't know about it.

[Scott5114]

On US-77 in Guthrie, OK.

[Zeffy]

On US-77 in Guthrie, OK.

It looks like they didn't even get Oklahoma's outline correct either! (Or is that a new design in Oklahoma?)

[Scott5114]

Nah, that's pretty much a standard outline. The number 77 just obscures an unusually large percentage of the Red River. Good thing there's no actual SH-77...

SAMSUNG-SGH-I337

[Bobby5280]

ODOT has been playing around with that state shape design for years. They've been varying the thickness of the outline and how much detail goes into it (like all the bends and stuff along the Red River portion of the border). Honestly, the design just doesn't work very well. The Oklahoma state shape is not a very design friendly element.

That bold stroke on the state shape looks like their "version 2.0" design. The first markers of that kind had a thinner stroke. Now ODOT is on at least their 3rd or 4th variant of that design. I've seen OK-7 markers here in Lawton change at least 3 times, including that really bold version.

[hbelkins]

I don't think there is a great deal of aesthetic or functional difference between Oklahoma's "meat cleaver" marker and Florida's. For both state markers, the numbers have to overlap part of the state outline.

[Bobby5280]

There is a big difference in how Florida does it versus Oklahoma. At least Florida is able to preserve the East coast and keys bend of the FL peninsula as well as the top edge of the FL panhandle. It's not difficult to make a 2 or 3 digit marker work within that. The state shape sill translates even when the numerals are eating into the Gulf Coast side of the state shape. Plus, the markers are consistent looking. All of the numerals eat out the Gulf Coast side of the shape.

The OK state shape on its route markers does not work nearly so well. IMHO, ODOT should have taken an approach as a combination of what Idaho and Tennessee use. The meat cleaver shape should have been a lot smaller. It still would have been legible. Throw the "Oklahoma" letters across it to use up negative space. Tennessee does something like that, even though they put it on the bottom of the marker.

[jbnv]

IMHO, ODOT should have taken an approach as a combination of what Idaho and Tennessee use. The meat cleaver shape should have been a lot smaller. It still would have been legible. Throw the "Oklahoma" letters across it to use up negative space.

Perhaps something like this?

[Bobby5280]

I was thinking of something more along the lines of this:



I think this approach looks more balanced than what ODOT is using with the OK state route markers. I designed this using a 24" guide marker approach. The border and state shape is .625" thick and set .375" from the edge, which is standard for a lot of other guide signs. The numerals are 10" Series D. The Oklahoma letters are 2.5" tall. The letters are there for decoration, so I don't think it's necessary for them to be set in Series C or D. I chose Eurostile Bold because the squared letter forms match the square nature of the route marker and their letter strokes look uniform with the border and state shape.

[jakeroot]

I was thinking of something more along the lines of this:

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I think this approach looks more balanced than what ODOT is using with the OK state route markers. I designed this using a 24" guide marker approach. The border and state shape is .625" thick and set .375" from the edge, which is standard for a lot of other guide signs. The numerals are 10" Series D. The Oklahoma letters are 2.5" tall. The letters are there for decoration, so I don't think it's necessary for them to be set in Series C or D. I chose Eurostile Bold because the squared letter forms match the square nature of the route marker and their letter strokes look uniform with the border and state shape.

I'd put that in the Redesigning State Highway Shields thread as well.

[Bobby5280]

Thanks. I didn't know about that thread. I'll read through it.

[jakeroot]

Thanks. I didn't know about that thread. I'll read through it.

No worries my friend. I'm still learning about threads I didn't know existed. And yeah, I've read that you're a graphic designer. You will like that thread A LOT.

[roadman65]

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.969371,-74.914571,3a,15y,67.62h,86.9t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sUcCQ9nPEev_vyXifgTTTMA!2e0
Not exactly erroneous, but worth posting.  Using all uppercase lettering, but the green out (actually green in lol) is mixed case is not your normal.

[Zeffy]

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.969371,-74.914571,3a,15y,67.62h,86.9t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sUcCQ9nPEev_vyXifgTTTMA!2e0
Not exactly erroneous, but worth posting.  Using all uppercase lettering, but the green out (actually green in lol) is mixed case is not your normal.

Looks like the sign designer forgot to turn bold off when making that sign. That actually makes it pretty hard to read...

[Roadgeek Adam]

You go north on Passaic County Route 659, you see this:



You turn right onto CR 654, you find this...



Nice job Passaic County, you might want to fix that.

[jakeroot]

You go north on Passaic County Route 659, you see this:

Passaic County 654

You turn right onto CR 654, you find this...

Passaic County 659

Nice job Passaic County, you might want to fix that.

Must be a game to them.

[roadfro]

And what is that no parking sign font???