Dear AHTD (overlap signage in Arkansas)

[US71]

Dear AHTD:
Fix it by moving the US 59 down and adding a TO plate.

Seconded.

At least you're not Texas: they posted SOUTH 59 with NORTH 71

[Greybear]

I hate to break it to you, but if you look closely. The signage is Texas, but it's standing IN Arkansas.

[US71]

I hate to break it to you, but if you look closely. The signage is Texas, but it's standing IN Arkansas.

Yes, I said Texas posted the signs

I've never seen AHTD mis-post a direction. Post the wrong shield (like AR 59 for US 59), sure, but never mis-posting a direction (to my knowledge).

[codyg1985]

Those also appear to be the larger shields that the TxDOT Atlanta District likes to use.

[AHTD]

Okay, have to ask....


How can you tell these are Texas route markers?

[US71]

Okay, have to ask....


How can you tell these are Texas route markers?

Based on my examination:

(1) Oversized (a rarity in Arkansas)
(2) Slightly different US shield shape (Arkansas predominantly uses 1960's style, these are 1970's design
(3) the 59 appears to be Series D numbers (Arkansas predominantly uses Series B or Series C)
(4) The I-30 Shield: Arkansas still puts the state name on most of their Interstate Shields, but Texas does not and uses proportionally larger numbers.
(5) Round signposts (Arkansas uses silver colored square posts a lot).

Also, all the traffic signals at this junction are Texas-style Horizontal signals which leads me to believe this Interchange is likely maintained by TxDOT. It's also a Texas-style Interchange, with the ramps connecting to the Service/Outer Roads.

[bjrush]

Many of us have self-awarded PhDs in sign-ology

Has Arkansas ever considered signing interstates using emergency reference markers like Missouri?

[US71]

Many of us have self-awarded PhDs in sign-ology

Has Arkansas ever considered signing interstates using emergency reference markers like Missouri?

MoDOT also does their expressways with them

[AHTD]

Okay, have to ask....


How can you tell these are Texas route markers?

Based on my examination:

(1) Oversized (a rarity in Arkansas)
(2) Slightly different US shield shape (Arkansas predominantly uses 1960's style, these are 1970's design
(3) the 59 appears to be Series D numbers (Arkansas predominantly uses Series B or Series C)
(4) The I-30 Shield: Arkansas still puts the state name on most of their Interstate Shields, but Texas does not and uses proportionally larger the numbers.
(5) Round signposts (Arkansas uses silver colored square posts a lot).

Also, all the traffic signals at this junction are Texas-style Horizontal signals which leads me to believe this Interchange is likely maintained by TxDOT. It's also a Texas-style Interchange, with the ramps connecting to the Service/Outer Roads.

IMPRESSIVE!

[US71]

Okay, have to ask....


How can you tell these are Texas route markers?

Based on my examination:

(1) Oversized (a rarity in Arkansas)
(2) Slightly different US shield shape (Arkansas predominantly uses 1960's style, these are 1970's design
(3) the 59 appears to be Series D numbers (Arkansas predominantly uses Series B or Series C)
(4) The I-30 Shield: Arkansas still puts the state name on most of their Interstate Shields, but Texas does not and uses proportionally larger the numbers.
(5) Round signposts (Arkansas uses silver colored square posts a lot).

Also, all the traffic signals at this junction are Texas-style Horizontal signals which leads me to believe this Interchange is likely maintained by TxDOT. It's also a Texas-style Interchange, with the ramps connecting to the Service/Outer Roads.

IMPRESSIVE!

Thank you.

[bugo]

Okay, have to ask....


How can you tell these are Texas route markers?

Based on my examination:

(1) Oversized (a rarity in Arkansas)
(2) Slightly different US shield shape (Arkansas predominantly uses 1960's style, these are 1970's design
(3) the 59 appears to be Series D numbers (Arkansas predominantly uses Series B or Series C)
(4) The I-30 Shield: Arkansas still puts the state name on most of their Interstate Shields, but Texas does not and uses proportionally larger the numbers.
(5) Round signposts (Arkansas uses silver colored square posts a lot).

Also, all the traffic signals at this junction are Texas-style Horizontal signals which leads me to believe this Interchange is likely maintained by TxDOT. It's also a Texas-style Interchange, with the ramps connecting to the Service/Outer Roads.

IMPRESSIVE!

Not really.  It's actually quite simple.

[M86]

Many of us have self-awarded PhDs in sign-ology

Has Arkansas ever considered signing interstates using emergency reference markers like Missouri?

MoDOT also does their expressways with them

MoDOT has a lot of little things that really aid motorists, both local and non-local.
It's often those little things that really improve a transportation system.

[cjk374]

Many of us have self-awarded PhDs in sign-ology

Has Arkansas ever considered signing interstates using emergency reference markers like Missouri?

MoDOT also does their expressways with them

MoDOT has a lot of little things that really aid motorists, both local and non-local.
It's often those little things that really improve a transportation system.

When did MO start using mileposts on non-interstates?  It's been almost 15 years since I drove up there regularly, and I don't remember seeing those.

[US71]

Many of us have self-awarded PhDs in sign-ology

Has Arkansas ever considered signing interstates using emergency reference markers like Missouri?

MoDOT also does their expressways with them

MoDOT has a lot of little things that really aid motorists, both local and non-local.
It's often those little things that really improve a transportation system.

When did MO start using mileposts on non-interstates?  It's been almost 15 years since I drove up there regularly, and I don't remember seeing those.

71 In Kansas City has had them for years (ususlly blue). I'm guessing maybe within the last 5 years for everything else..

[The High Plains Traveler]

Many of us have self-awarded PhDs in sign-ology

Has Arkansas ever considered signing interstates using emergency reference markers like Missouri?

MoDOT also does their expressways with them

MoDOT has a lot of little things that really aid motorists, both local and non-local.
It's often those little things that really improve a transportation system.

When did MO start using mileposts on non-interstates?  It's been almost 15 years since I drove up there regularly, and I don't remember seeing those.

71 In Kansas City has had them for years (ususlly blue). I'm guessing maybe within the last 5 years for everything else..

The U.S. 169 Broadway Expressway north of downtown Kansas City had them prior to 2008 (the last year I visited KC on business). Its miles did not correspond to a route that had just entered Missouri; they were in the 100s.

[Alps]

NJDOT has just added them, with shields, to I-80 between MP 43-46 (I-287 to I-280), on the outsides of the frontage roads. New MUTCD-compliant markers without shields have been added to the western few miles of I-280. If NJDOT can do it, anyone can!

[bugo]

The U.S. 169 Broadway Expressway north of downtown Kansas City had them prior to 2008 (the last year I visited KC on business). Its miles did not correspond to a route that had just entered Missouri; they were in the 100s.

Yeah, what's up with those mile numbers?

[US71]

The U.S. 169 Broadway Expressway north of downtown Kansas City had them prior to 2008 (the last year I visited KC on business). Its miles did not correspond to a route that had just entered Missouri; they were in the 100s.

Which way did the numbers increase? Could it have been measuring from the north? AR 59 north of Van Buren measures "backwards"

[bugo]

Northward I think.

[Scott5114]

They may have just started mileage at 100 to avoid it having mile 2 in downtown Kansas City like everything else under the sun.

[ethanhopkin14]

Okay, have to ask....


How can you tell these are Texas route markers?

Based on my examination:

(1) Oversized (a rarity in Arkansas)
(2) Slightly different US shield shape (Arkansas predominantly uses 1960's style, these are 1970's design
(3) the 59 appears to be Series D numbers (Arkansas predominantly uses Series B or Series C)
(4) The I-30 Shield: Arkansas still puts the state name on most of their Interstate Shields, but Texas does not and uses proportionally larger the numbers.
(5) Round signposts (Arkansas uses silver colored square posts a lot).

Also, all the traffic signals at this junction are Texas-style Horizontal signals which leads me to believe this Interchange is likely maintained by TxDOT. It's also a Texas-style Interchange, with the ramps connecting to the Service/Outer Roads.

IMPRESSIVE!

You are missing one more detail:  Arkansas uses '58 spec interstate shields still with small modifications (36" X 36" route markers and using the more royal blue color for the blue field rather than the original more navy matching the US flag) rather than the '70 spec seen in the picture.  You can tell by the narrower lines outlining the shield and separating the red and blue fields. 

On another note AHTD:  I was recently in Little Rock and noticed the I-30 shields on just the south side of Little Rock were '70 spec shields with no state name.  I was under the impression that the state standard was the 58' spec.  Do you know the answer to this?

[M86]

You are missing one more detail:  Arkansas uses '58 spec interstate shields still with small modifications (36" X 36" route markers and using the more royal blue color for the blue field rather than the original more navy matching the US flag) rather than the '70 spec seen in the picture.  You can tell by the narrower lines outlining the shield and separating the red and blue fields. 

On another note AHTD:  I was recently in Little Rock and noticed the I-30 shields on just the south side of Little Rock were '70 spec shields with no state name.  I was under the impression that the state standard was the 58' spec.  Do you know the answer to this?

I don't think AHTD has a set standard.

http://goo.gl/maps/caCBH

And I think that white directional banner has been changed out.  I was half-asleep when I drove by it the other day.

Then you have this monstrosity:  http://goo.gl/maps/CtVU9

AHTD needs to work on signing standards... and fixing some of the policies regarding cosigning.

[US71]

You are missing one more detail:  Arkansas uses '58 spec interstate shields still with small modifications (36" X 36" route markers and using the more royal blue color for the blue field rather than the original more navy matching the US flag) rather than the '70 spec seen in the picture.  You can tell by the narrower lines outlining the shield and separating the red and blue fields. 

On another note AHTD:  I was recently in Little Rock and noticed the I-30 shields on just the south side of Little Rock were '70 spec shields with no state name.  I was under the impression that the state standard was the 58' spec.  Do you know the answer to this?

I don't think AHTD has a set standard.

http://goo.gl/maps/caCBH

And I think that white directional banner has been changed out.  I was half-asleep when I drove by it the other day.

Then you have this monstrosity:  http://goo.gl/maps/CtVU9

AHTD needs to work on signing standards... and fixing some of the policies regarding cosigning.

I think the "monstrosity" is a smaller version of this:

[Arkansastravelguy]

Surprisingly enough, US 59, duplexed with either US 71 or US 270 the entire way, is fully signed in Arkansas.

Just a small side note: when US59 joins US71 in Acorn 59 is actually signed with a state shield.


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[bugo]

Surprisingly enough, US 59, duplexed with either US 71 or US 270 the entire way, is fully signed in Arkansas.

Just a small side note: when US59 joins US71 in Acorn 59 is actually signed with a state shield.

That's only been there a year or so.  Don't tell AHTD (shhhhhhhh).