AHTD should sign US highways along interstates

[Arkansastravelguy]

I totally agree with bugo.  Another of Arkansas' signing problems (not really related to refusing to sign concurrencies) is having different sections of one state highway in different parts of the state that, if you were to try to connect them with signed concurrencies, would turn into the nightmare that AHTD's policy is trying to avoid.  AR 355 & AR 88 (or is it 89?  Crap now I can't remember!  ) are 2 examples of this.

I was driving south of Danville on AR 27 and came to AR 28. Rather than concurrent them , AR 28 ends at 27 then picks up again 1 mile further. The route is signed AR 27 TO AR 28. What? Absurdity. Just like AR 74. There is so many I lost count. 3 in Washington County alone. (Elkins, Devils Den, and Whitehouse Rd). I saw 2 295s, 2 16s, 2 103s, 2 28s, 2 88s, and amazingly, a multiplexed AR 10/27.


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[US71]

I totally agree with bugo.  Another of Arkansas' signing problems (not really related to refusing to sign concurrencies) is having different sections of one state highway in different parts of the state that, if you were to try to connect them with signed concurrencies, would turn into the nightmare that AHTD's policy is trying to avoid.  AR 355 & AR 88 (or is it 89?  Crap now I can't remember!  ) are 2 examples of this.

I was driving south of Danville on AR 27 and came to AR 28. Rather than concurrent them , AR 28 ends at 27 then picks up again 1 mile further. The route is signed AR 27 TO AR 28. What? Absurdity. Just like AR 74. There is so many I lost count. 3 in Washington County alone. (Elkins, Devils Den, and Whitehouse Rd). I saw 2 295s, 2 16s, 2 103s, 2 28s, 2 88s, and amazingly, a multiplexed AR 10/27.


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74 is one of the most common repeat routes.  There's one in Kingston, Jasper, and Marshall as well.
16 was once continuous, but got chopped up .
There are 2 AR 21's (on a technicality). One ends at 412 near Marble, the other begins less than a mile down the road. The interim is posted as TO 21. It's really silly, IMO.

[Arkansastravelguy]

I totally agree with bugo.  Another of Arkansas' signing problems (not really related to refusing to sign concurrencies) is having different sections of one state highway in different parts of the state that, if you were to try to connect them with signed concurrencies, would turn into the nightmare that AHTD's policy is trying to avoid.  AR 355 & AR 88 (or is it 89?  Crap now I can't remember!  ) are 2 examples of this.

I was driving south of Danville on AR 27 and came to AR 28. Rather than concurrent them , AR 28 ends at 27 then picks up again 1 mile further. The route is signed AR 27 TO AR 28. What? Absurdity. Just like AR 74. There is so many I lost count. 3 in Washington County alone. (Elkins, Devils Den, and Whitehouse Rd). I saw 2 295s, 2 16s, 2 103s, 2 28s, 2 88s, and amazingly, a multiplexed AR 10/27.


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74 is one of the most common repeat routes.  There's one in Kingston, Jasper, and Marshall as well.
16 was once continuous, but got chopped up .
There are 2 AR 21's (on a technicality). One ends at 412 near Marble, the other begins less than a mile down the road. The interim is posted as TO 21. It's really silly, IMO.

We could go all day with this . 2 45s 2 303s. And again this is in just one county...


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[robbones]

I totally agree with bugo.  Another of Arkansas' signing problems (not really related to refusing to sign concurrencies) is having different sections of one state highway in different parts of the state that, if you were to try to connect them with signed concurrencies, would turn into the nightmare that AHTD's policy is trying to avoid.  AR 355 & AR 88 (or is it 89?  Crap now I can't remember!  ) are 2 examples of this.

I was driving south of Danville on AR 27 and came to AR 28. Rather than concurrent them , AR 28 ends at 27 then picks up again 1 mile further. The route is signed AR 27 TO AR 28. What? Absurdity. Just like AR 74. There is so many I lost count. 3 in Washington County alone. (Elkins, Devils Den, and Whitehouse Rd). I saw 2 295s, 2 16s, 2 103s, 2 28s, 2 88s, and amazingly, a multiplexed AR 10/27.


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74 is one of the most common repeat routes.  There's one in Kingston, Jasper, and Marshall as well.
16 was once continuous, but got chopped up .
There are 2 AR 21's (on a technicality). One ends at 412 near Marble, the other begins less than a mile down the road. The interim is posted as TO 21. It's really silly, IMO.

We could go all day with this . 2 45s 2 303s. And again this is in just one county...


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In Crawford County, 2 (162's, 348's, 60's, and 282's [282 is concurrent with US 71 for 1/2 mile just north of Alma but is signed as 3 seperate segments]) plus another hwy 60 in conway

[US71]

In Crawford County, 2 (162's, 348's, 60's, and 282's [282 is concurrent with US 71 for 1/2 mile just north of Alma but is signed as 3 seperate segments]) plus another hwy 60 in conway

And another AR 60 east of Booneville (formerly Hwy 10)

[cjk374]

AHTD should just put US71, Bugo, & me in a sign truck filled to max with banner signs, arrow signs, lots of state & US signs & a fuel card.  We could solve Arkansas' concurrency signing issues!   

[Arkansastravelguy]

AHTD should just put US71, Bugo, & me in a sign truck filled to max with banner signs, arrow signs, lots of state & US signs & a fuel card.  We could solve Arkansas' concurrency signing issues!   

I want in on it!!!


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[M86]

AHTD should just put US71, Bugo, & me in a sign truck filled to max with banner signs, arrow signs, lots of state & US signs & a fuel card.  We could solve Arkansas' concurrency signing issues!   

Count me in!  I have extreme OCD when it comes to route signage.  My Camry won't do.

[US71]

AHTD should just put US71, Bugo, & me in a sign truck filled to max with banner signs, arrow signs, lots of state & US signs & a fuel card.  We could solve Arkansas' concurrency signing issues!   

I want in on it!!!


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When can we start?

[bugo]

I'm driving.  Since it's an official government operation, we get an official AHTD truck and carte blanche to break the speed limit when it is safe to do so.

[US71]

I'm driving.  Since it's an official government operation, we get an official AHTD truck and carte blanche to break the speed limit when it is safe to do so.

I call dibs on any "dead" signs we find if they can't be used again

[Arkansastravelguy]

Makes you wonder what will happen to 71 when 49 is completed from Texarkana. 471? 71B? Just leave it alone? I suspect it will be rerouted to 49, and be unsigned... Sigh...


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[bugo]

71 between I-540 and the Louisiana line will most likely be left in place, other than the stretch through Foran Gap, which will be a (likely unsigned unless AHTD changes their policy) triplex of I-49, US 71, and US 270.  The interstate will follow the current 71/270 alignment very closely in that area.

[US71]

71 between I-540 and the Louisiana line will most likely be left in place, other than the stretch through Foran Gap, which will be a (likely unsigned unless AHTD changes their policy) triplex of I-49, US 71, and US 270.  The interstate will follow the current 71/270 alignment very closely in that area.

I'm curious about it considering 540 will eventually have a "spur" to I-49 (splitting off somewhere near Exit 10/ AR 45)
Will 71 then be rerouted to 49 or left alone? If it is rerouted, I suspect we'd see 471 resurrected.

[bugo]

I'm curious about it considering 540 will eventually have a "spur" to I-49 (splitting off somewhere near Exit 10/ AR 45)
Will 71 then be rerouted to 49 or left alone? If it is rerouted, I suspect we'd see 471 resurrected.

I thought such a connector was in the works.  I would expect it to be I-449 or something like that.

[US71]

I'm curious about it considering 540 will eventually have a "spur" to I-49 (splitting off somewhere near Exit 10/ AR 45)
Will 71 then be rerouted to 49 or left alone? If it is rerouted, I suspect we'd see 471 resurrected.

I thought such a connector was in the works.  I would expect it to be I-449 or something like that.

Proposed only at this time. I've seen no work being done.

[robbones]

71 between I-540 and the Louisiana line will most likely be left in place, other than the stretch through Foran Gap, which will be a (likely unsigned unless AHTD changes their policy) triplex of I-49, US 71, and US 270.  The interstate will follow the current 71/270 alignment very closely in that area.

I'm curious about it considering 540 will eventually have a "spur" to I-49 (splitting off somewhere near Exit 10/ AR 45)
Will 71 then be rerouted to 49 or left alone? If it is rerouted, I suspect we'd see 471 resurrected.

More than likely they will just make it 71B just to keep the US  designation.  IMO 71A would be a better name if they realign 71

[bugo]

They're not moving 71...zero chance of it unless AHTD's policies change radically.

[US71]

They're not moving 71...zero chance of it unless AHTD's policies change radically.

It's been known to happen. The Alma-Fayetteville Freeway (I-49) was originally going to be US 71, then it was changed to I-540 before it was actually signed. Pity they didn't keep AR 540.

[bugo]

There were two AR 540s historically...the first one in Fort Smith and the second one from Alma to Mountainburg....both eventually became I-540 and we know what happened to the northern one.

[US71]

There were two AR 540s historically...the first one in Fort Smith and the second one from Alma to Mountainburg....both eventually became I-540 and we know what happened to the northern one.

I've seen a photo of a 2d-style AR 540 It's an "outline" shield (white outer background)

[agentsteel53]

I've seen a photo of a 2d-style AR 540 It's an "outline" shield (white outer background)

can you post that pic?

[US71]

I've seen a photo of a 2d-style AR 540 It's an "outline" shield (white outer background)

can you post that pic?

If I ever find it again.

[bugo]

Now, really, if you have a "one road, one number" policy, what happens whenever you have a US highway upgraded to an Interstate... do you sign both highways as an Interstate, for concurrencies, or do you only use one? And, really, what happens if a US highway is changed into an Interstate? Would you, for example, change US 425 immediately into I-530 with no transition? And, even better, if Louisiana continues to sign a fictional extension of I-530 as I-530/US 425, what will drivers think whenever the US 425 designation just disappears? You're confusing more people by not signing the concurrency than actually using one number.

I-530 and US 425 are not going to overlap.

[bugo]

I totally agree with bugo.  Another of Arkansas' signing problems (not really related to refusing to sign concurrencies) is having different sections of one state highway in different parts of the state that, if you were to try to connect them with signed concurrencies, would turn into the nightmare that AHTD's policy is trying to avoid.  AR 355 & AR 88 (or is it 89?  Crap now I can't remember!  ) are 2 examples of this.

I was driving south of Danville on AR 27 and came to AR 28. Rather than concurrent them , AR 28 ends at 27 then picks up again 1 mile further. The route is signed AR 27 TO AR 28. What?

This has the potential to be confusing.  "TO 28"?  I thought I was on 28.  Did I get lost?"